VW VS RENAULT VS HYUNDAI - FULL HOT HATCH DEATH MATCH | FIFTH GEAR
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- Jason and Karun take to the track in the latest versions of three hot hatches. They’ve all had full bells and whistles upgrades, but which will come out on top? To watch full episodes from our latest series - www.dplay.co.uk/show/fifth-gear
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Umm, I think many people lust after i30n , it’s in a different price class than the others, but offers real, world manual gearbox fun. Even covered by factory warranty for track use.
i think i'd still get the renault megane, just not in trophy spec, and the difference in price would be smaller.
mistreku but the no trophy is slower than i30N
its good that the warranty covers it because a track shouldn't break a car because it's just harder driving then normal that's all
Buy the megane I took areal good look at all of them drove them all etc an the megane s the one looks an sounds the best
I’d take the Hyundai’s warranty, Renault’s body, engine and 4WS, and the Golf GTI’s interior, technology and overall fit and finish.
Best combination
That's taking the biscuit
Thats some bullshit tho
Renault has 5 year warranty from Dec 2019 also
Lol. Good work.
12 grand more.....stickers on the side....cool story bro
Hyundai, best value;
Vw, best status;
Renault, best sports car...
Since when did a VW have status?
I'd go with that
@@evilspiritchild Since 1974, dear Luís!
The VW Golf is the model that set the pace in the C segment.
Eight generations leading the way and creating the benchmarks for everyone else.
GTI, GTD, VR6, V6, TDI, 1.8T 20V, V5, 16V, G 60, R32, TSI, e-Golf, GTE…
4-motion, DSG…
Look it up !
Have a nice weekend !
The Megane seems so adjustable on the limit and really allows for different driving styles.
So ya save 6k on a Hyundi I wonder what it could do with 2ks worth of mods and money still in your pocket.
The Megane RS is the winner for me :D
Thing with Megane is that I never really liked the looks before this model which actually is pretty cool. Then again the Hyundai also looks really good in a much more understated way. And then comes the matter of price, which is probably the Hyundai's trump card in the segment.
I have the Megane RS (Cup version), and they are a great drive. I do get annoyed when reviewers bang on about the ride being super-stiff though...because it just isn't!
superflea72 indeed. Im s fresh owner of a 300trophy edc, and its is just awesome. Stiffness isnt really that big of a deal. I owned a mk7gti with dcc and it does as much as no difference to your driving confort. After all, almost everyone who likes their golf’s look mint, put on some h&r, eibach, vogtland springs which makes the car as “stiff” as a cup chassie on megane. Lol
@@lordshark66 we went from a BMW M135i to the Megane, and imho you got bounced around more in the Bimmer than the Megane. ☺
superflea72 hehe, well as you said, dont know why the all complaining in these reviews!
They just tryna sabotage the Megane but they won’t win
@@lordshark66 same here blanc Nacre 👍🏼✌🏼
That hyundai really performed well considering its price , and in terms of reliability the i30 wins all day long ..
@Uno Nisu everything is more reliable than a renault
@@bdmr_isf another dumb fanboy... I bet you own a vw lol
@@SNapRicardo I work in a Hyundai main dealership. We have not seen ANY 'common' problems with the i30N yet, just a few isolated problems which happen with any brand of vehicle.
Most buyers will buy these brand new with warranties, I cant see reliability been a isue here. Yes second hand I can understand but I wouldnt easily buy a hot hatch because of the way people abuse them.
Chaert 100% my 200 has only ever needed brakes/cambelt/oil etc...
I love my i30N, best car for the money!
I love my i30n too! And you're right, best car for the money! Greetings from Germany! 🇩🇪😊
Great review. I normally find Fifth Gear's videos to be annoying as there's too much bickering and banter and not enough car action but Jason and Karun are a great pair. Entertaining but still focused on the cars.
I’ve gone from A35 to the trophy and I’m not disappointed I love the point and shoot steering it’s so pint point I love the cup chassis feels more ruff and ready no body roll race set up 👌🏾
Calvin Orr from Mercedes to Renault? Are you insaine?
Kithuni till you owed one you wouldn’t understand Mercedes has very poor build quality do be one of them that’s fooled by the badge
@@calvinorr4389 but a35 amg...it's supposedly a good car, what didn't you like about it?
Christian Wold yeah there meant to be good cars maybe the build quality 10 years ago was a lot better but I had a long list of problems that was the same across the forums people experiencing so many problems it’s to much to list! Plus it’s the A35 AMG to be honest its not really AMG its hasn’t got the power stuff like S3 where annihilating me 🤣 embarrassing a five-year-old Audi but it’s all on line there in black and white there are just an overpriced Renault. On to the trophy RS Complete different machine it’s more race focused set up for a track you have to enjoy and be a good driver to drive the trophy in the Mercedes was a bit boring with all the driver AIDS 4 matic anybody can drive them fast because it does the work for you put both on the track The RS Will destroy it The only advantage the A35 will have is if it’s wet
@@calvinorr4389 thanks for the reply,. I guess I won't buy the Mercedes in the end then 😃
Yeah its the Hyundai i30N for me. With the left over cash, i would get a tune and get it up to +300 bhp
Look at Dan bush i30n, pushing 400bhp!! The thing is an animal 😂
That Megane is truly an amazing looking car
I guess it just depends what you want! Glad we have all these options for hatchbacks. Cant get enough!!!
I'm not a badge snob. So I can say that I think the i30 Ń is the best hot hatch to buy out of them all
Liking Hyundai is the absolute badge snob attitude 😉
@@robinmarples5198 Uh?
@@archer7716 It's not, as long as it's an honest, genuine reason. A couple of guys above said they'd chose the Golf because because they are only going to drive to work. (not intending to smoke anyone from the lights given half a chance when it's quiet then?) VW's are stylish cars, but I'd feel a little silly getting minced by an R, then watching it disappear into the distance while glancing sadly at the badge on my steering wheel. Then after, the 7k extra you paid sinks in while you sit in your kitchen. Still could be worse, you could have a GTD and find a letter telling you to come in to the dealers for a free 'tune up', just for emissions reasons, probably struggle to beat a milk float after that. lol
"Little pop on the exhaust but no were as grunty as the other two" what are you'se on about? I bought an i30n and its only short of setting off car alarms when you let off past 4500rpm. In the real world with real people, price plays a massive point and thats where the i30n is winning over the rest. When i bought my i30n it was €39k. The throphy megane was €54k and the golf tcr was €62k. Id rather have the i30n and €23k spare. Its a very nice car to commute to work in.
I agree with you on sound. I have a GTI and even with Akrapovic exhaust it sounds worse then i30N. That engine just has a better note. But overall I like the golf more, it is just a matter of preferance.
Chavs love the overrun sound!
I30N performance sounds way better than the golf. Especially the pops. As much as I like golf's they sound like arse lol.
Well, because I’m just a normal everyday joe, I’ll take the i30N over everything else, since it’s cheaper by quite a margin, supposedly more reliable (by how much money you put in case of a breakdown), and still a very capable for track use
It has taken this long to see how tough, and truly changed the i30 now is, a true sports car, w/the N line Hyundai hatch backs..?.! The U.S. spec Veloster N line hatch came out over a year ago, and has been kicking ass in track matches. Beating the Golf R, Civic Si, and other fast hatches, on TH-cam. 2018-2019 Hyundai Veloster N-line.
The Hyundai i30N is already a cult car in Australia. People who had lesser, earlier Hyundai cars like the Getz. They stay with the brand because of amazing reliability, affordability, reasonable running costs so why go get a Euro car which are not setup for our country, cost more to buy and operate and questionable reliability.
i30N best imo, golf looks great but it’s just common and mud so many golfs kicking about. Barely see any i30Ns and they look so different from the non sport i30. Renault is cool but personal preference I don’t like the back end
I have quite a few Ns in my area and surprisingly many Fastbacks like mine.
Sorry but from the start there was badge snobbery, would be interested to find out the as tested prices.
You say Badge Snobbery...I say poor.
so the winner should be determined by simply being the cheapest? they should've just bought a Suzuki Swift along...easy!
@@martinallenuk Imagine thinking you're well off for a driving a slightly more expensive hatchback hahahaha peasant
@superflea72 lol can’t wait for Dacia Sandero Trophy R edition!
R E N A U L T remember this !
I have a Megane Trophy and its awesome! Changed the front tyres to Falkon FK 510s and its made a huge difference to driving on the road. Just superb!
Not surprised by the outcome as Renault Sport is making absolute leading hot hatches now for decades....👍 🇫🇷 👍
I’d go for the i30 over it’s rivals for sure. I’ve seen brand new ones in dealers for £24k with the performance pack with a 5 year warranty and even a track warranty! I specced a golf gti with everything the i30n has on the configurator and it was over £10k more expensive....i30n all day!! Coming from a mk5 edition 30 owner
If testing the TCR which is top of the range should have compared with the M4RS Throphy with the Sport package ( recaro + lightweight Mag wheels and Brembo composite ) .... would have been more equal.. also should have tested the Civic type R which is I believe equal first with the megane and is such a great car.....
It would have been interesting if there had been a third driver and all three cars had raced on-track.
renault looks just... amazing
Great Review I love my Trophy 😍😍
Wish they had released the i30n “option” that was at a few motor shows last year, a shame they didn’t make it
they are releasing a limited edition special one called the Hyundai i30N project c
Kenneth Dike so they say..
@@-LK34- true...
after safety, the most important think for me in any car is reliability , so which car in this 3 models is the most reliable???
The Renault has a Japanese Nissan engine. :)
I would take the i30N Performance out of these.
The golf? The most expensive, the slowest and the less fun... Yeaaaa à good vw product in fact 😅
I would definitely take the i30N because it is very good and much cheaper than the other two.
Just look at the way the Renault deals with that race track...are you really going to choose another one after watching how superior it is?
For all you French car haters. Stop going on about reliability!!!! The bottom line is that Renault outperforms VW in the reliability charts too. Just look at carwows most reliable cars. Time to put those old misconceptions where they belong. In the past
I know, but it's like talking to a piece of wood, they can't........totally sold on VW
VW just got less reliable, not Renault more reliable.
@@danielburgin28 you sir are a prime example of sticking to the old misconceptions. Renault and all the other french manufacturers have upped their game tremendously in the last few years. Just look at the cars Renault had in the early 2000's and the ones we have now. A world of difference. Same goes for PSA. We could carry on criticising the french cars until the end of time. The truth is they are still french owned. What do we have that is still British owned? Diddly squat that's what!!!
I've owned several french cars over the past few years which have all had issues. I've owned a Swedish car with a french engine that had issues. I've worked in car hire and seen plenty of Peugeot and Renaults have issues. The Peugeot interiors aren't bad, but the Renault ones look very dated.
These are not baseless accusations.
@@danielburgin28 let's agree to disagree. I have owned and driven many french cars in recent years too. Some not available in the UK. Latest Espace, Renault Talisman, Koleos, Kadjar even a Laguna coupé Monaco go. All fantastic cars with a ton more character than their German rivals too and even more reliable now.
They need to get a group together and do their test, 1 by all drivers rotating, 2 separate, no cars doing laps at the same time. In the end set all times, and prices, where they can compare abilities and prices. So, one may be better, but is it x% better 1 on road (technology, ride, seats, etc) and on track (same), for x% price difference.
For me i30 N is the winner the Best car for the money. I dont quite sure why typer R didn't appear in this test. It is clearly faster on this track then Megane
Why is it faster?
@@martinandersson5278
th-cam.com/video/dQ9mFuqdOZ0/w-d-xo.html in this test you have Megane RS but this is the same track plus Big difference in time. I do not understand the logic behind the politics in Renault. RS trophy is unusable on the road. Trophy R has no back seats no 4 stearing plus its expensive. If i would choose I would go with simple RS
AdiL Trophy is unusable on the road... wtf are you on about. I own a trophy and it is perfectly comfortable for everyday use.
@@Angelos42 well man good for you. It is always the matter of perspective for JP is too stiff on the road. You can argue about it all Day but ultimately if you are ok with it its only what matters
AdiL Sure, it is a bit stiff, but nothing beyond what you’d expect from such a car. There are a LOT of regular cars that are way less comfortable on average roads.
Glad to see Karun branch out into reviewing
They should use Veloster N.. Veloster N will smoke them, well the price should be around gti tcr?
Could get better tires maybe some stiffer springs
on the i30n for the price difference.
Hyundai offers own Tuning Options to buy! Carbon strut braves for example and on and on
@@Nordlicht05 really? awesome
i30N please.
Gee I miss Tiff too
If that was me i take the i30 N because car's are not juste a lap time record but how much can get you smile!
And she do the hard work with a little prince and 5 years warranty
Compare megane Rs trohy with lightweight veloster the results will not be same
For 41 grand that Golf, it would need to nosh me off every time I got in it.
Wanna see Hybrid hot hatches but not as people think.
It has a 150-200hp motor, and a small battery pack that will last 5-10 minutes,
You can build it up with regen braking etc
It works like Electric Nitrous, you push the button, you get an instance smash of torque and 200Hp, a 500hp hot hatch sounds pretty banging
The merc amg45 is close but just a no for many reasons
Great chennaistry chaps! Please make more vids:)
Why dont you take also the GTI top Model the clubsport s?
This is the correct matchup the top model of the Megane is the Trophy-R that one can be compared with the clubsport s. Hyundai doesn't have a track focus car like the R and S models of Renault and VW.
Megane looks so good in liquid yellow!
Why isn’t the golf R in this.
Since the golf won the drivability test it should have been put against the Hyundai on the track, I bet it would be a different outcome.
Lovely to see VW getting spanked by the “inferior” brands.
Can’t wait for my i30N to be delivered now
If I30N in my country(SA) had a fair price would sell like hot cakes, unfortunately it's too expensive because of its 7yr warranty, it sell on price of mk7 R, though it looks like rigid car that can endure hard driving compared to golfs and meganes, Ford st
And in UK 130N is cheaper than these cars, it's very strange. Megane is the best track car.
These comparisons with a slight differences wouldnt or shouldnt change anyones choices. Most people I know will rather make personal and irrational and emotional choices when chosing a car. Like its colour wheels sound system or 0-100km as if they keep dragging their cars 24/7...
Megane is MEGA!
You guys needed the Veloster version not the I30. And get the 275 hp upgrade.
That's my Mégane. It's ace!
In this comparison Renault is definitely the better car, however the i30N is a definite winner in the value department.
If i only cared about performance, I'd probably take a Civic Type R over either, however I don't think the performance to price ratio of the i30N can be beaten, so it would be my choice personally.
I like all of theme
Too bad you can't get the Veloster N.
Starting to wonder why Renault RS 300 are never reviewed with their EDC Autobox. Oh no wait, I don't, because it's horrendous.
You could get two MCS' for the price of that Golf ! No way....
Are you saying two Mini Cooper S?
Well, I feel the missing link is the Focus ST MK IV. I was totally surprised by how good it felt compared to Renault,Hyundai and VWs
I agree
The ST should be in the loop at least...
You did not understand the purpose of the video. It s about upgraded hot hatchbacks on the basic one. Golf gti '' tcr '', megane rs '' trophy '' and I30n '' performance ''. The focus St exists in just 1 declination, the st
@@robinmarples5198
No. Not at all the Focus ST is perfectly capable of fighting the likes of i30N, GTi TCR and Megane RS..maybe not the Trophy. Infact in most race tracks the Focus ST is faster than TCR and Megane RS and i30N.
@@1989rs500 of course but that not the reason why it's not in the comparo. Listen the video carefully from the start you will understand... If not I will explain
@@1989rs500 the st is not an upgrade of an upgrade, if Ford makes an st s or an st r or an st something with upgrades it would be in the test. They just testing upgrade models. Tcr, trophy, n perf and not the basic one. The st is the basic form of the model not an amélioration. So it s not here
VW isn't a people's car anymore. Sadly. But now it's time for other car manufacturers to serve the middle-class, just like Renault and Hyundai do.
Personally think these two had preconceived notions about the Hyundai and were a bit sniffy about it. Okay the Renault was faster, but would you be confident that it wouldn't be down the garage every few months for mindless repairs. Hyundai interior is better hands down. Watch Steve Sutcliffe's review for Evo magazine.
Independent of the time,, the Golf GTI TCR is the best car for me! I'm not a pilot and time track don't bother me!
real world that GTI would eat them both mark my words
CarPassion ...what’s real world for you then - other than handling, accelerating and breaking?🤔🙄
Carpassion is a VAG fanboy and realworld is instagram pictures.
ThaDutchDK1989 ...ahhh, I see. Perspective drives believe I’d say.... rgds. from Sweden!
I gotta say, that I'm a fan of vag, but what has that got to do with anything?
Oh, is VAG an acronym for Volkswagen Group?
The golf is soo expensive tho
Please please please bring back Tiff.....we miss him
Everybody: Nothing
Everybody Else: Nothing at all
Jason Plato: "Ooooh ya fightah!"
The real performance golf that could be in the test in the léon cupra with perf pack. Cheeper and quicker than this marketing product
The Cupra Leon is 245 is 25-30k the 300hp wil be 30k plus.......against the Golf R, is that what you meant?
Megan vs type R now that would be a race
Type r wins
@@upbeatmantis86 The Megane beats the Type R on track. So nah!
god, I wish renault was sold in the USA, RENAULT YOU HAVE FANS HERE
Have the French ever lost a hot hatch battle?
The new Type R maybe.
French ingeneering at it's finest.
So it will break down.
@@W42PZ You still think VW is reliable.
Well the 1.9 TDi from VW isn't that bad.🤣🤣🤣
@@bobby.matiro That was happening 20y ago
@@Bogdan00 I know, that's the point.👍😁
Is this the dude on F1?
Other two are grunty because they overreact with boosted intake noises wich so Not represent the real loudnes the engine makes without These loudpipes direkt into the cockpit
I'd have the golfs build quality over the over 2 all day long, what I noticed was the golf run they switched of the goodies but didn't on the other 2. Not a fare run for the golf I think..
@@cliffwilkins9178 I've had Renault's and the panels are flimsy as hell in comparison to VW their just better engineered.
@@cliffwilkins9178 lol the thinner gauge material used was but 1 factor I was pointing out and of course it does not constitute a well engineered vehicle either but from my own experience in driving both I prefer the VW's, each to their own ay..
@@DJ_Double_L He's right you know, he's talking about facts. BTW have you driven the N? If VWs are so well engineered, why are they halfway down on all the reliability charts I could find, and why did they have to resort to emissions cheating? Your thoughts please.
@@robv1139 reliability charts are BS and not very accurate due to many factors I can't be bothered going into.
I've been driving VW's now for 20yrs and not once broken down in any.
The diesel scandal is terrible I know but no company's are squeaky clean and rip customers off everyday with their over priced brands that us mugs buy.
I've driven the N and it's a great car but definitely not as refined as say the golf gti's or the R and that's a fact.
Each to their own really, if you have one and like it be happy..
@@DJ_Double_L Sure, this is just a debate, I'm on no ones side and buy whatever make and model I feel is best in terms of value, practicality, looks etc. This programme should of done that and it didn't. Your experience is a long one, but unfortunately nowhere near large enough to be considered an endorsement to the wider public because I see VWs at the roadside at least as often any anything else (so maybe you've been lucky). Please go into those factors you mentioned so I can consider them for myself, it may change my mind. I think it's a shame that your still happy to buy products from a company who are prepared to con their customers as well putting them others at risk. I would never subscribe to that myself. Am I right in saying the GTi is £7500, and the R is over £10,000 more expensive then the i30n? P.S. There is a big difference between over pricing that you ultimately have a choice over, and breathing in pollutants that were hidden, not once, but twice I believe?
No AMG.... I wonder why? lol
This i30N is terrific! Brand snobs for boring overated golf
You could make the i30N even a better performer and you wouldn't reach the horendous price tag of that VW. It's just the image that makes them so expensive. Sadly.
I'd go for quality, AWD and class over speed.. VW Golf R. (Same price as the TCR).
Also no chance in corners the chassis is not good
Did it loose?
@@milo6507 Did it loose?
@@robv1139 what are you talking about ? Yes the golf lose Renault nr1
@@milo6507 I was referring to the N and Golf.
£41g for golf 😱
Where I stay the Hyundai costs the same as the VW Golf R😐
Same
South Africa?
@@mudalachirwa282 yup!
@@mudalachirwa282 Awe
Same
Bro why don't you use the N mode fo Hyundai in the race
Honda?
Whoops Jason, you braked too hard at the finish, or maybe should of eased off around the course, VW aren't gonna be happy with you....his face says it all. lol
Music 11:18-11:40 ????????
Audi S3 why not. And the Golf R
Golf for me.. to drive and to polish!
And the new Golf does not even have an independent rear suspension...
Not sure where you read that. But it does have it. Only basic models don't have it, same as all other cars here.
I’ll spend my cash on the VW, I don’t drive to work on a race track!
get a GTD instead
I don't think I'd spring for the TCR. A regular GTI would be just fine, especially with the performance pack.
ARentz07 I agree, the 7.5 performance pack is a great car for the road and I’d go for that over the TCR, the Megane would be best on the track which leaves the TCR nowhere
Dépends on the roads you have to go to work, I ve got a megane 3 265 cup, and even when I arrive at work brakes and engine are smoking hot
Robin Marples that’s a good point, do you have any vacancies where you work?
£41k for a Golf.... No!
OK I HAVENT been on the up and up the last year or so ....TIFF NEEDELL IS GONE!?!?!?!?
THAT AGEISM RIGHT THERE....THAT'S WHY UK DISCOVERY GOT RID O HIM. I loved Tiff & Jason going at it. What a joke.
Tiff went to the Lovecars channel, his most recent video was for drivetribe idk if he moved to drivetribe as well
Yellow beast is the hottest car here
mk7 Golfs are already failing MOT's because of completely rotten sills xD
What?
the golf is an old model. wait till the mk8... thats the real fair comparison they have been making the mk7 since 2014.
Yes was thinking same... comparing new and near new competitors vs the now retiring Golf.
I like all the cars but quality on VW does it for me... still the essence of a true hot hatch it needs to be a high quality comfortable daily. That is why I drive one. Though will be replacing with upcoming mk8 Golf R
Shiu Gen same here on all fronts! can’t wait to get myself a MK8 golf R
Its actually been around since 2013
TheFlyingPLiner right 😅 forgot about that since im in the USA
Mk7 wasnt sold until 2015 in the us
I really really like the megane and had previously owned a mk3. But this test needs to have a civic type r.. And I'm afraid it might dethrone the megane.. Not unless it's the megane trophy-r, which would cost nearly twice the golf TCR which would be utterly ridiculous and probably not an outright win nor comparison.
NOOOOOOOO! LISTEN CAREFULLY FROM THE SSTTAARRTT.
You will understand why the type r is not in the test
@@robinmarples5198 because those on tests here are have been tickled and are the slightly tricked up, bumped-up version? D: the civic did just enjoyed a facelift albeit no power bump, yet I'm 100% certain it would have no issues being in this test and making it to the last two still !
@@gordonho5986 of course but the rules of the test are clearly explained. Evolutions of the base model. Trophy, tcr and nperf. The civic t r has only one declination
@@robinmarples5198 sure. to that I would say the writers and producers have got it well covered 🙃 but to the masses, aww man, how could u have left that out, that would've been sweet!
The i30n is $41000 in South africa , how come is it much cheaper than the golf everywhere else.