I recommend trying to cut the flow rate to 1/2 or 1/3, and compare that to running a batch from the same source, and the same amount through 2 or 3 times at the normal flow rate. I wonder what would be more effective, easier, and more energy efficient. Running slower rate once would certainly require less 'hands-on', and may save time, because there won't be the pumping time taken to back-fill the gravity feed barrel. The caveat is, you may need to reduce batch volume, to not load up the centrifuge bowl. As that loads up with sludge, you have less lip depth, which reduces the effectiveness of the centrifuge.
That's the reason I do multiple passes. I don't have to worry about the bowl filling, etc. That and I have it plumbed to do it easily. I've got a few videos planned here soon. Haven't been doing many oil related videos as all of my oil burners are down at the moment (unrelated to fuel). More to come. Thanks for watching
I just found your channel last night. Awesome videos. Thank you for taking the time to put the videos together. About running the cleaned oil through a second pass. Are you not picking junk from the blue barrel feeding the centrifuge? Keep up the videos.
If so, it would be minimal. The oil doesn't get left in that drum very long so not much time for anything to settle out. I will be changing it up a bit before too long so I can get more out of that drum.
The centerfuse also needs a P-trap that way it will flow the moisture and the vapor and the steam out of the discharge port not into your collection Barrel
The same thing as a sink the liquid acts like an air lock and has a spillover point into your collection Barrel but keeps the vapors and Air plugged at all times therefore it can discharge out of the other port
eye opening videos. i just found your channel last week. was thinking about running my mercedes based jeep on veggie oil, but this seems to be a valid option as well. i guess i need to scout around and see what i can get around here.. thanks bud. lets see that tripple pass now. its got me wondering. =)
I’d be curious to see a baseline of clean fresh motor oil for comparison. That’d probably rule out where that second pass sludge is coming from. 50 gallons of fresh oil compare to 50 gal of wmo. I know it’d be pricey to do though.
Yeah that would be spendy... the gravity drum only holds a few gallons below the centrifuge feed. The "clean" drum pulls from the bottom and it was cleaned prior to setting up the direct drive. It had very little material in the bottom and even so, it would have just plugged the filter after the pump. It's definitely coming from the oil being processed. I COULD setup a small batch setup with some buckets just to see how much it pulls out of each run... but it wouldn't pull nearly as much out of each batch. Might do it though... I need to replumb everything anyways.
very interesting. I suppose a cost analysis would make the determination between 1 or more passes. For example if it cost 20 bucks in electric every pass that means your fuel cost does go up. ( compared to road diesel it is still very cheap however) If the single pass does not cause issues like clogged filters or injector coking then it may not be required. I have also heard that water meth injection keeps injectors shinny and new ( from the alternative fuels Facebook group ). so potentially there is no issue at all with single pass. Lastly do you figure that sludge could have been in your barrel at the top of your gravity system and not actually in your processed oil? I know it would be a huge pain to switch your whole system up for a true test. But that is one thing I was thinking of during the video. Regardless amazing video as always and I can not wait to see another brand comparison.
There hasn't been that many runs through the gravity barrel really and I typically don't let oil sit in that barrel long enough to settle anything out. With that said, it's possible... but unlikely. I'll be doing another multiple pass test here soon. As for cost, this unit is running 1.3KwH per hour... and our rate is ~$0.14/KwH... So roughly $1.82 per 10 hours of run time. So in theory, you could make 3 passes and still be cheaper than a gallon of diesel currently for a 50 gallon batch.
Sure... but that's over double the gasoline I typically use in my blend. That would be an added ~$15-20 per batch.... so lets say we run it 3 times... thats an extra $5.83 per run (if ran 3 times) to not use heat... where as the heater pulls around 1kw/h... so my cost is $0.14/hour... x 10 hours per batch... $1.40 per run through the centrifuge. It's cheaper to use heat unless you can get the gasoline for free. Now with enough passes through the centrifuge, it could potentially be cheaper to use gasoline and not use heat... but heat drives out moisture far better too.
Like I said before it needs to be thinned or have your mix already made needs to be about one gallon per hour through the centrifuge would be best if it's heated while it's at one gallon per hour then you're done ready to use
And as I said before, I mix with gasoline and I'm not going to heat a gasoline blend to 200F where it will vaporize/evaporate off along with moisture leaving me a nice flammable vapor. Others may be willing to do that.. but I'm not. It's not worth it to me. I used to use gasoline while centrifuging and the new setup with heat alone does far better. Now if I where to thin with diesel, that'd be a different story.
Appreciate you watching. Hoping to do some more in the near future just to find out the best methods of doing this stuff... in the most cost effective way.
If you add your cut or diesel or gas into your waist oil after it has been centrifuged it's viscosity will drop and the amount of dirt and debris and carbon that it can hold or float will be reduced it's always best to have the pre-mix made then run it through the centrifuge
That may be true... but I'm not running gasoline blends through a heated centrifuge. Some may do it... I'm not. Not worth the risk for me. I used to use gasoline while centrfuging in my old setup and it didn't do much. Heat and straight oil seems to do far better.
@@tonydiesel3444 not according to the manufacturer of the centrifuges I've used... and I've seen a difference between every temperature increase. The higher the temperature, the more moisture they tend to remove and the thinner the oil gets doing nearly the same thing as adding thinners prior to running.
I noticed that you have the bottom vented to outside ans you could see visible steam but from what I see it looks like you have the clean oil going directly into your clean tank. I know that the clean tube will vent moisture and you are just putting that into your clean tank. I have found its best to have the tube drip into the clean tank leaving space for moisture to vent off and not be forced firstly into my tote.
What unit do you have, what's the cost and where can you get one? Do you run oil centrifuge system on your diesel engines, I do. I'm running Dieselcraft unit.
The unit I run is the WVO Designs Extreme 6k rpm unit with booster cone and heater. You can get them here... www.notsograndgarage.com I became a dealer for them a couple years after getting one and making content with them. Feel free to reach out through the website. You can buy direct from WVO Designs as well, but pricing is the same. Buying through me helps the channel grow.
I've got a 1200w heater at the inlet to the centrifuge. No need to heat the whole drum. It keeps the oil at 180+ flowing through the unit as long as I don't open up the flow too much. It works really well.
not surw how fast you run yours but iv heard its best to do 4 passes at 2 gallons an hour for the best results not sure if its better or not im not set up yet where i can run a centrifuge yet just going off what i was told i will run mine that way when i get set up to see the diffrence of each pass and might make my system run 4 centifuges to be a one fill set up to allow me to do other things and then the oils ready all at once i plan to run mine from a barrel to an ibc tote clean tge bowls and run a second batch since my truck holds 50 gallons and only gets 250 miles a tank full
Not sure on total pass quantity. I'm gonna see here soon as I've got my system now setup to run small batches... so I can test all sorts of things. Multi-pass (3+) is on the list for sure. I run around 5gph and seem to have good luck with it. It REALLY depends on how clean the oil is to begin with.
A barrel with an out at the very bottom snd return back through the top. Insulated. No extra plumbing required. And just let it run. Stop after 24h, clean the centrifuge, keep running. This way through simple maths you can get the actual answer that has a real life value - how long does the oil have to sit in the centrifuge to get clean enough? Thoughts?
Can't really do that without some type of pump. If the drum is gravity feeding the centrifuge... the outlet of the centrifuge is too low to return to the drum. Might as well just go with a large pressure driven unit at that point. Clean enough is an opinion of the end user. I call 2 passes and minimal material in the bowl clean enough... but it isn't clean as in new oil clean. Also depends on the oil. If you've got nasty oil.. itll take a lot longer than if the oil is relatively clean to begin with. Passes make it easy to tell how dirty the oil really is without having to batch for 24 hours. Also, with passes... ALL of the oil goes through the centrifuge. If you are just dumping oil back into the top from the centrifuge... you never really know if all of the oil has made it through the bowl.
what about running one pass at half the flow rate of your regular passes, it would be less work and less plumbing than running 2 passes with perhaps the same amount of contaminates captured
Possibly so... in my case though, I don't let the unit run overnight so it's easier for me to do it this way. Time in the bowl is what matters.... but if your oil is really wet, the bowl could be full of sludge by mid batch, reducing efficiency.
It would be faster per batch... but the end results would be the same. If you've got the money and not the time... then sure you could series as many centrifuges as you want.
@@NotSoGrandGarage Thank you. Also, if you ran the centrifuge slower rpms (3600), it might remove smaller particulates by keeping the oil in the rotor longer? So you don't need to pass the oil through 2x.
@@IshawooaPass the faster the centrifuge spins, the better. Can slow flow through the centrifuge down but the bowl can only hold so much. If its got a lot of water in it or sludge, 2 passes would be better.
Man if thos was cheeper id so get one but i just use filters down to .5 to .2 microns after sitting for a year. But id love to see how many times it would take to get it where there kinda isnt anything struck to the side
@NotSoGrandGarage that's true so you think it would be as nasty as your second or 3rd run. Or have you ever ran the hot oil then second run with fuel but with heater off. If that would do much more bc it's thined out
Interesting. Does your feed barrel on your loft have any settlement or does it drain completely when you do a run? When you add your rug to the mix how long do you let it sit before you use it? Do you run it through a pump to recirculate and mix or just add to your oil.
Very little room for settling in the loft drum and oil doesn't sit there long. Gets filled the same day it's ran typically. Gasoline gets mixed at the final stage and I have the nozzle pump valved to recirculate the drum by switching a ball valve. I'll let it recirculate for 15 minutes or so after adding the gasoline and then its ready to go.
The centrifuge has a heater mounted to the side. Oil is heated to 180-200F before hitting the bowl. Otherwise, no heat. Be sure to check out my other videos on the subject. There's a decent selection now. Thanks for watching!
Good question. For me, multiple passes is just easier... and it allows me to clean out the bowl if needed between runs. Time in the bowl is time in the bowl I'd say. With that said... only a couple days left on my 10% discount code with wvodesigns.com.
How much more transparent is the the oil after a pass compared to regular wmo , I’ve been researching ways to clarify it because I want to run it through my DS4 6.5 turbo diesel with the least issues
Also polek has some interesting videos on “ bleaching” it with acid and trimethanoline aswell as baking soda , I have build plans for a distiller also if you’d like them
@valentinopresutti9494 sure. You can email them to notsograndgarage@gmail.com if you want. I've also got some ideas for making the oil clearer but haven't had time to try them yet.
It depends. I'm a WVO Designs dealer. We can ship world wide. Reach out through the contact link on the website and I'll get you a shipping quote. www.notsograndgarage.com
5 gallon per hour feed rate or 2.5 gallon per hour feed rate is the same as a double run I would do one gallon per hour and be completely done the first time no double runs
Yup. Right now, it's on a single tank setup and it's hazing pretty good. I just got the parts in to pull out the injectors and prechambers for a good cleaning. Running on a single tank at 50/50 my blend to diesel, it ran great for a month before it started getting smokey.
@@SquarebodyTruckCamper I believe so. No reason it shouldn't handle oil like my IDI does. Hopefully I'll find out soon. I've got a few things going right now but hoping to pull the chambers here soon.
Gasoline is a better solvent... so it takes less to get the oil thin. Hard to match the viscosity of diesel when using diesel to thin. Currently though, I'm using both together. I'll cover that later.
@@NotSoGrandGarage After you blend the gas with the oil. My question is if I store my blended oil for a certain length of time. Will the oil and gas start to separate or settle? Thanks for all the info
@@Slawr88 from what I've seen, no. CUTTERUPROB has done some testing on this. I typically recirulate my finish drum for a few minutes before filling the tanks anyways.
Only had issues heating a full drum. The heater that works with my direct drive works great. With that said, compost heating could work well... but my compost bins arent anywhere near my fuel shed... dont want to chance contamination if something leaks, etc.
The longer the oil stays in the bowl, the cleaner it gets... BUT.. if the bowl is full, it can only hold so much stuff before efficiency drops. I'm going to setup a small batch test rig here this weekend I think to test all sorts of filtration methods... filters... heat vs no heat... etc.
He did better than that. Since centrifugal force increases on the square of speed, he increased his centrifugal force by 3 times, because of the upgrade from 3,450 RPM, to 6,000 RPM. Doubling the speed would give 4 times the g-force. The new motor (and variable frequency drive) is literally 3 times better!
That's one of those TBD things. No real way to know until something goes wrong. I'm sure it reduces the wear and tare on components and likely does increase filter life.. but those are guesses at best.
@@Iowa599 so basically, under $2 per run for roughly 50 gallons... or it can be processed 3 times and still be cheaper than a gallon of diesel currently.
Lol... Not sure. Just depends on what happens. I'm pretty certain I'll be doing more testing on some others here soon but I can't swing buying them. Took me over 10 years to bite the bullet on the first direct drive. Lol
I recommend trying to cut the flow rate to 1/2 or 1/3, and compare that to running a batch from the same source, and the same amount through 2 or 3 times at the normal flow rate. I wonder what would be more effective, easier, and more energy efficient. Running slower rate once would certainly require less 'hands-on', and may save time, because there won't be the pumping time taken to back-fill the gravity feed barrel. The caveat is, you may need to reduce batch volume, to not load up the centrifuge bowl. As that loads up with sludge, you have less lip depth, which reduces the effectiveness of the centrifuge.
That's the reason I do multiple passes. I don't have to worry about the bowl filling, etc. That and I have it plumbed to do it easily. I've got a few videos planned here soon. Haven't been doing many oil related videos as all of my oil burners are down at the moment (unrelated to fuel). More to come. Thanks for watching
I just found your channel last night. Awesome videos. Thank you for taking the time to put the videos together. About running the cleaned oil through a second pass. Are you not picking junk from the blue barrel feeding the centrifuge? Keep up the videos.
If so, it would be minimal. The oil doesn't get left in that drum very long so not much time for anything to settle out. I will be changing it up a bit before too long so I can get more out of that drum.
The centerfuse also needs a P-trap that way it will flow the moisture and the vapor and the steam out of the discharge port not into your collection Barrel
I've heard this mentioned but can't find and references to it. Have any pictures of how it's setup?
The same thing as a sink the liquid acts like an air lock and has a spillover point into your collection Barrel but keeps the vapors and Air plugged at all times therefore it can discharge out of the other port
@@tonydiesel3444 I'll give it a shot. I've got some plumbing to change up anyways so might as well.
I sent you some info on messenger about the p trap
@@nicholasnelson7195 I'll check it out
I’ve been doing 2 passes myself thru the same fuge, 3 passes still pulls sludge but it’s minimal and for what I’m doing I can live with the 2 passes
Good deal. What are you running your fuel in?
Just a suggestion getting a true cone bottom take is amazing for setting the junk out of the oil while its sitting less to also filter and clean.
I'd like to find one for a reasonable price. It's in the plan as the shed is getting ready to be rebuilt
@@NotSoGrandGarage I gatta remember where I bought mine but I bought and odd number gallons and it was cheeper. I'll try to find it and send it to you
@@dakotak8437 appreciate it!
eye opening videos. i just found your channel last week. was thinking about running my mercedes based jeep on veggie oil, but this seems to be a valid option as well. i guess i need to scout around and see what i can get around here..
thanks bud. lets see that tripple pass now. its got me wondering. =)
Been on vacation all week but that's the plan. It'll be a week or so though.
I’d be curious to see a baseline of clean fresh motor oil for comparison. That’d probably rule out where that second pass sludge is coming from. 50 gallons of fresh oil compare to 50 gal of wmo. I know it’d be pricey to do though.
Yeah that would be spendy... the gravity drum only holds a few gallons below the centrifuge feed. The "clean" drum pulls from the bottom and it was cleaned prior to setting up the direct drive. It had very little material in the bottom and even so, it would have just plugged the filter after the pump. It's definitely coming from the oil being processed. I COULD setup a small batch setup with some buckets just to see how much it pulls out of each run... but it wouldn't pull nearly as much out of each batch. Might do it though... I need to replumb everything anyways.
very interesting. I suppose a cost analysis would make the determination between 1 or more passes. For example if it cost 20 bucks in electric every pass that means your fuel cost does go up. ( compared to road diesel it is still very cheap however) If the single pass does not cause issues like clogged filters or injector coking then it may not be required. I have also heard that water meth injection keeps injectors shinny and new ( from the alternative fuels Facebook group ). so potentially there is no issue at all with single pass.
Lastly do you figure that sludge could have been in your barrel at the top of your gravity system and not actually in your processed oil? I know it would be a huge pain to switch your whole system up for a true test. But that is one thing I was thinking of during the video. Regardless amazing video as always and I can not wait to see another brand comparison.
There hasn't been that many runs through the gravity barrel really and I typically don't let oil sit in that barrel long enough to settle anything out. With that said, it's possible... but unlikely. I'll be doing another multiple pass test here soon. As for cost, this unit is running 1.3KwH per hour... and our rate is ~$0.14/KwH... So roughly $1.82 per 10 hours of run time. So in theory, you could make 3 passes and still be cheaper than a gallon of diesel currently for a 50 gallon batch.
I have the 240 volt model it uses 0.132kw per hr. X .13=0.01716 $per hr.
That does not include the heater. I don’t use a heater on that particular unit.
Oh yeah... it only pulls ~150w or so without the heater so that would be nearly free to run.
Sure... but that's over double the gasoline I typically use in my blend. That would be an added ~$15-20 per batch.... so lets say we run it 3 times... thats an extra $5.83 per run (if ran 3 times) to not use heat... where as the heater pulls around 1kw/h... so my cost is $0.14/hour... x 10 hours per batch... $1.40 per run through the centrifuge. It's cheaper to use heat unless you can get the gasoline for free. Now with enough passes through the centrifuge, it could potentially be cheaper to use gasoline and not use heat... but heat drives out moisture far better too.
How about a big coffee filter to go in there and be removed after for clean up every pad
You could cut a paper ring to fit inside the bowl along the wall and then just peel it off after each run or so.
Like I said before it needs to be thinned or have your mix already made needs to be about one gallon per hour through the centrifuge would be best if it's heated while it's at one gallon per hour then you're done ready to use
And as I said before, I mix with gasoline and I'm not going to heat a gasoline blend to 200F where it will vaporize/evaporate off along with moisture leaving me a nice flammable vapor. Others may be willing to do that.. but I'm not. It's not worth it to me. I used to use gasoline while centrifuging and the new setup with heat alone does far better.
Now if I where to thin with diesel, that'd be a different story.
Cool test.
Appreciate you watching. Hoping to do some more in the near future just to find out the best methods of doing this stuff... in the most cost effective way.
If you add your cut or diesel or gas into your waist oil after it has been centrifuged it's viscosity will drop and the amount of dirt and debris and carbon that it can hold or float will be reduced it's always best to have the pre-mix made then run it through the centrifuge
That may be true... but I'm not running gasoline blends through a heated centrifuge. Some may do it... I'm not. Not worth the risk for me. I used to use gasoline while centrfuging in my old setup and it didn't do much. Heat and straight oil seems to do far better.
No need at all to run at 200 degrees 160 or less
@@tonydiesel3444 not according to the manufacturer of the centrifuges I've used... and I've seen a difference between every temperature increase. The higher the temperature, the more moisture they tend to remove and the thinner the oil gets doing nearly the same thing as adding thinners prior to running.
@@NotSoGrandGarage get you a hydrometer and test for yourself
@@NotSoGrandGarage or Zahn viscosity cup and stopwatch
I noticed that you have the bottom vented to outside ans you could see visible steam but from what I see it looks like you have the clean oil going directly into your clean tank. I know that the clean tube will vent moisture and you are just putting that into your clean tank. I have found its best to have the tube drip into the clean tank leaving space for moisture to vent off and not be forced firstly into my tote.
I've changed the plumbing recently... added a p trap. No moisture making it to the finished drum now. All venting from the centrifuge directly.
What unit do you have, what's the cost and where can you get one? Do you run oil centrifuge system on your diesel engines, I do. I'm running Dieselcraft unit.
The unit I run is the WVO Designs Extreme 6k rpm unit with booster cone and heater. You can get them here... www.notsograndgarage.com I became a dealer for them a couple years after getting one and making content with them. Feel free to reach out through the website. You can buy direct from WVO Designs as well, but pricing is the same. Buying through me helps the channel grow.
Trying to get into black diesel and want to buy the 6000 ramp 120v model from your store. Any active discount codes?
None at the moment.
I use a wet dry vac to clean my bowl.
I've heard that mentioned quite a bit and am thinking I'll give it a shot. Thanks and thanks for watching!
Centrifuge produces the forbidden brownie mix lol
Indeed... lol
I would go with a heated drum for feeding the centrifuge. Seem like it would be helpful
I've got a 1200w heater at the inlet to the centrifuge. No need to heat the whole drum. It keeps the oil at 180+ flowing through the unit as long as I don't open up the flow too much. It works really well.
@@NotSoGrandGarage I been thinking bout doing heated storage tanks. I live where it gets really cold 😂
Oof! That would take some serious juice.
@@NotSoGrandGarageif your thinking inside the box. 😂
I mean... fire would work. Lol
not surw how fast you run yours but iv heard its best to do 4 passes at 2 gallons an hour for the best results not sure if its better or not im not set up yet where i can run a centrifuge yet just going off what i was told i will run mine that way when i get set up to see the diffrence of each pass and might make my system run 4 centifuges to be a one fill set up to allow me to do other things and then the oils ready all at once i plan to run mine from a barrel to an ibc tote clean tge bowls and run a second batch since my truck holds 50 gallons and only gets 250 miles a tank full
Not sure on total pass quantity. I'm gonna see here soon as I've got my system now setup to run small batches... so I can test all sorts of things. Multi-pass (3+) is on the list for sure. I run around 5gph and seem to have good luck with it. It REALLY depends on how clean the oil is to begin with.
A barrel with an out at the very bottom snd return back through the top. Insulated. No extra plumbing required. And just let it run. Stop after 24h, clean the centrifuge, keep running.
This way through simple maths you can get the actual answer that has a real life value - how long does the oil have to sit in the centrifuge to get clean enough?
Thoughts?
Can't really do that without some type of pump. If the drum is gravity feeding the centrifuge... the outlet of the centrifuge is too low to return to the drum. Might as well just go with a large pressure driven unit at that point.
Clean enough is an opinion of the end user. I call 2 passes and minimal material in the bowl clean enough... but it isn't clean as in new oil clean.
Also depends on the oil. If you've got nasty oil.. itll take a lot longer than if the oil is relatively clean to begin with.
Passes make it easy to tell how dirty the oil really is without having to batch for 24 hours.
Also, with passes... ALL of the oil goes through the centrifuge. If you are just dumping oil back into the top from the centrifuge... you never really know if all of the oil has made it through the bowl.
what about running one pass at half the flow rate of your regular passes, it would be less work and less plumbing than running 2 passes with perhaps the same amount of contaminates captured
Possibly so... in my case though, I don't let the unit run overnight so it's easier for me to do it this way. Time in the bowl is what matters.... but if your oil is really wet, the bowl could be full of sludge by mid batch, reducing efficiency.
9:27 for answer your welcome
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Given these results, would it be better to run 2 centrifuges in series and do this in a single pass?
It would be faster per batch... but the end results would be the same. If you've got the money and not the time... then sure you could series as many centrifuges as you want.
Thanks! How do you plumb your top barrel on the shelf from the waste oil? The top of the top barrel?
There are 2 bulkhead fittings and hose barbs on the top of the drum. One vent and one for filling from the pump. Check my playlist.
@@NotSoGrandGarage Thank you. Also, if you ran the centrifuge slower rpms (3600), it might remove smaller particulates by keeping the oil in the rotor longer? So you don't need to pass the oil through 2x.
@@IshawooaPass the faster the centrifuge spins, the better. Can slow flow through the centrifuge down but the bowl can only hold so much. If its got a lot of water in it or sludge, 2 passes would be better.
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Definitely worth it. Appreciate the input bud.
Man if thos was cheeper id so get one but i just use filters down to .5 to .2 microns after sitting for a year. But id love to see how many times it would take to get it where there kinda isnt anything struck to the side
It'll always pull more carbon out of the diesel oil. Now oil from gas or NG/Propane engines will come out a lot cleaner looking.
@NotSoGrandGarage that's true so you think it would be as nasty as your second or 3rd run. Or have you ever ran the hot oil then second run with fuel but with heater off. If that would do much more bc it's thined out
I've ran thinned oil with no heat but not a back to back like you describe. There is a video floating around here showing the thinned run.
@@NotSoGrandGarage I'ma have to find it. Thanks
Interesting. Does your feed barrel on your loft have any settlement or does it drain completely when you do a run?
When you add your rug to the mix how long do you let it sit before you use it? Do you run it through a pump to recirculate and mix or just add to your oil.
Very little room for settling in the loft drum and oil doesn't sit there long. Gets filled the same day it's ran typically. Gasoline gets mixed at the final stage and I have the nozzle pump valved to recirculate the drum by switching a ball valve. I'll let it recirculate for 15 minutes or so after adding the gasoline and then its ready to go.
Is that a single-fase or a three-phase motor?
3 phase motor... Single phase input on the controller.
Are you heating the oil to make it flow better? Nice setup!
The centrifuge has a heater mounted to the side. Oil is heated to 180-200F before hitting the bowl. Otherwise, no heat. Be sure to check out my other videos on the subject. There's a decent selection now. Thanks for watching!
what's the difference between ran through twice or half the flow rate? these videos definitely make me want to buy a centerfuge.
Good question. For me, multiple passes is just easier... and it allows me to clean out the bowl if needed between runs. Time in the bowl is time in the bowl I'd say.
With that said... only a couple days left on my 10% discount code with wvodesigns.com.
@@NotSoGrandGarage oh ya i guess if the bowl fills up with sludge and overflows it will contaminate the clean oil eh.
@306familyfarm7 yeah.. but you could check mid run I suppose
Do you know what your energy input and costs are per litre? Thanks
Watch my short on it. It breaks down the cost per gallon for someone without solar. Thanks for watching and be sure to check out the other videos.
How much more transparent is the the oil after a pass compared to regular wmo , I’ve been researching ways to clarify it because I want to run it through my DS4 6.5 turbo diesel with the least issues
It's still dark. I've not seen a way to make it clear short of distillation.
Also polek has some interesting videos on “ bleaching” it with acid and trimethanoline aswell as baking soda , I have build plans for a distiller also if you’d like them
@valentinopresutti9494 sure. You can email them to notsograndgarage@gmail.com if you want. I've also got some ideas for making the oil clearer but haven't had time to try them yet.
Thank you ! , appreciate your help and I’ll get them sent off
Ich bin auf der suche nach einer zentrifuge-was kostet so ein gerät
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It depends. I'm a WVO Designs dealer. We can ship world wide. Reach out through the contact link on the website and I'll get you a shipping quote. www.notsograndgarage.com
5 gallon per hour feed rate or 2.5 gallon per hour feed rate is the same as a double run I would do one gallon per hour and be completely done the first time no double runs
Deppends.... the bowl was full after the first run so I doubt it would hold the same amount from the first and second runs.
Do you ever had clogged up nozzles or pre chambers on your OM617 using WMO? Marlon
Yup. Right now, it's on a single tank setup and it's hazing pretty good. I just got the parts in to pull out the injectors and prechambers for a good cleaning. Running on a single tank at 50/50 my blend to diesel, it ran great for a month before it started getting smokey.
@@ElectronicMusicUnderground it's got water meth injection and I've used power service. If I run it a week or 2 on diesel, it cleans up.
@@NotSoGrandGarage do you think if you had dual tanks with your OM617 that you would have less issues with the injectors?
@@SquarebodyTruckCamper I believe so. No reason it shouldn't handle oil like my IDI does. Hopefully I'll find out soon. I've got a few things going right now but hoping to pull the chambers here soon.
I see you cut the oil with gas before filling it to the trucks. Would it be better to cut it with diesel? Or is there a reason to use gasoline
Gasoline is a better solvent... so it takes less to get the oil thin. Hard to match the viscosity of diesel when using diesel to thin. Currently though, I'm using both together. I'll cover that later.
@@NotSoGrandGarage After you blend the gas with the oil. My question is if I store my blended oil for a certain length of time. Will the oil and gas start to separate or settle? Thanks for all the info
@@Slawr88 from what I've seen, no. CUTTERUPROB has done some testing on this. I typically recirulate my finish drum for a few minutes before filling the tanks anyways.
I see you are having problems with heating up the oil. Have you looked into compost heating up to 70' celsius heating for upto 18 months.
Only had issues heating a full drum. The heater that works with my direct drive works great.
With that said, compost heating could work well... but my compost bins arent anywhere near my fuel shed... dont want to chance contamination if something leaks, etc.
So this is around 5 gallons an hour what if it was half as fast would it pull twice as much in 1 pass?
The longer the oil stays in the bowl, the cleaner it gets... BUT.. if the bowl is full, it can only hold so much stuff before efficiency drops. I'm going to setup a small batch test rig here this weekend I think to test all sorts of filtration methods... filters... heat vs no heat... etc.
Raise centrifuge speed 50% for better cleaning.
Send me a 9k rpm motor that'll bolt up to it and I'll give it a shot. It's already spinning at 6k...
@@NotSoGrandGarage Still looking. Best I can do is 8k Sorry.
He did better than that. Since centrifugal force increases on the square of speed, he increased his centrifugal force by 3 times, because of the upgrade from 3,450 RPM, to 6,000 RPM. Doubling the speed would give 4 times the g-force. The new motor (and variable frequency drive) is literally 3 times better!
Does it actually make a difference in the way your truck runs tho? Like filter plugging and injector problems?
That's one of those TBD things. No real way to know until something goes wrong. I'm sure it reduces the wear and tare on components and likely does increase filter life.. but those are guesses at best.
What's the efficiency, gallons in:out, and kWH of electricity to "clean"?
Its roughly 1.3kWH / hour of run time.... 10 hours per batch. Don't lose much overall volume of oil per batch.
@@NotSoGrandGarage so ~50gal per batch?
@@Iowa599 approximately 45-50 depending on how full I get the gravity drum.
@@Iowa599 so basically, under $2 per run for roughly 50 gallons... or it can be processed 3 times and still be cheaper than a gallon of diesel currently.
Salut où peut on trouver ta centrifugeuse ??
www.notsograndgarage.com
@@NotSoGrandGarage merci 🙏🙏🙏
Are we going to be seeing a two centrifuge system set up in your future?😁
Lol... Not sure. Just depends on what happens. I'm pretty certain I'll be doing more testing on some others here soon but I can't swing buying them. Took me over 10 years to bite the bullet on the first direct drive. Lol
Definitely understand it’s not a cheap venture to get into at the start.
For sure.. but it is worth it.
Are you running around 5gal/hr?
Approximately yes.
This guy looks like a white version of David Alan Grier 🤣👍. Once you've seen it you can't unsee it 🤣
I'll take that as a compliment. Lol
i can see why you would want to do it 2x, now what about 3? LOL
For sure... and I'll be doing more testing soon.
Im going to run mine in a continuous loop for like 24 hours…
2:37 "honey, I´ve melted the chocolat for the cake"
Oo.. Prolly wouldn't snack on that. Lol