PART 2 - HOW TO PARRY WITH BULWARK (WARHAMMER 40K SPACE MARINES 2)

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  • @TheSpecktre
    @TheSpecktre 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +70

    ItalianSparticus sent me here. Words can't express how grateful I am to you (and him) for helping me understand the parry system as it's currently implemented.
    The Emperor protects indeed, Brother.

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @@TheSpecktre That Brother ItalianSparticus would honor me with his endorsement is a blessing, and I am glad that you have been able to sharpen your blade with the information you now possess. Emperor guide your step, Brother.

    • @SgtSunshineFL
      @SgtSunshineFL 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Same here! I cant believe that not more people talk about this, parry & dodge will literally prevent you from progressing in the game. I use a fencing weapon and that helps a ton!

    • @lukemarlowe6592
      @lukemarlowe6592 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@SgtSunshineFL same here. Its tough that theres no fencing starter weapon on bulwark

  • @gordonfreeman9566
    @gordonfreeman9566 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I recently went back to playing my bulwark after leveling all the classes to 25 and was struggling with parry on him. Your video literally made the bulwark easy mode. 💯 appreciate you

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      You're welcome, Brother! I am glad it will assist you in carrying out the will of the Emperor. Courage and Honour!

  • @italianspartacus
    @italianspartacus 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

    Hey brother! you're totally right: the game TRIES to use the block as a priority. if you're on controller, it's far easier because you have to gingerly tap it basically. If you use a fencing weapon, it seems the game's timing kicks in properly. But using Balanced, for some reason, the game can't fully decide if you want to parry or block. Also, it seems that tapping it quickly will cause that animation you showed at 5:50. If you hold it for ANY amount of quickness, it doesn't trigger the parry. It's SO frustrating! Amazing job explaining this!!

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Your reinforcement behind this line of thinking pleases me greatly, Brother. I think our Brothers on console also have less forgiving registration of inputs that may be causing some of this frustration as well.

    • @italianspartacus
      @italianspartacus 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@COA5T Yeah it's why I'm using my controller on PC - I just couldn't get the parry timing to work properly on M&Kb reliably. It was so frustrating!! You're doing the Emperor's work, battle brother!

    • @_FIow
      @_FIow 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@COA5T Yeah I played bulwark as my first class on PlayStation. Got completely annihilated. I maxed out then vanguard and tactical + sniper. Learned how to perfected parry with that classes, can do it now reliably without any doubt. Now I got back to bulwark and just realized now, I have to double tap block to parry. I still struggle with crowds and the guys with the whiplash. But it’s getting better I slowly start to like bulwark.

    • @SuperArppis
      @SuperArppis 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I hope they fix this...

    • @KingZedusPrime2009TyrentKaiju
      @KingZedusPrime2009TyrentKaiju 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Same thing here, parrys suck on this class and I'm trying to teach my friend how to do it cause he's playing bulwark and it's very difficult

  • @ryansay8551
    @ryansay8551 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you so much for the effort you have put into this, and for your clear explanations. Many of the other videos about parrying just say "you really need to work on the timing" but you actually broke it down frame by frame which was amazing. Turns out I've been pressing/holding the parry button down for way too long and I guess sometimes I've just lucked out! I'm excited to get home and give it a try in the trials (I didn't even think to practice there)! I especially need to work on the whip dude as his timings always mess me up. Thanks again. For the Imperium!

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@ryansay8551 That this video has helped in you in anyway pleases me greatly, Brother. I have no doubt that your training will improve your combat efficiency by a considerable margin. Emperor guide you, Brother.

  • @RichHomieQuanChi
    @RichHomieQuanChi 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I personally haven’t had an issue with parrying on the Bulwark class, but these two videos have definitely improved my efficiency with it, especially with understanding the different parry windows.
    Just a preference, but I rebinded my block/parry key to one of my side mouse buttons and it’s made it easier for me to parry.
    You’re a godsend to the community for releasing this and taking the time to break it down like this.

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It does not surprise me that a Stalwart such as yourself was able to figure this out and apply it to the battlefield prior to this. That these demonstrations have added any additional value to your combat prowess honors me greatly, Brother. Courage and Honour!

  • @howdabowdix
    @howdabowdix หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Before I watched this, I honestly believed the Bulwark COULD NOT parry at all. I nail the parry every time with the other classes, but not once have I ever parried with the Bulwark, and I have him at level 13. I had given up parrying and just been holding L1 (on PS5) to block everything.
    Now that I know to hit L1 so much earlier than I normally would with the other classes, I look forward to trying this next time I play. I expect the Bulwark to become my best class.
    Thank you for demonstrating this so clearly!

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@howdabowdix You are certainly welcome, Brother. Today's update also made it much easier with Fencing weapons, so it is highly recommended to use one for consistency. Good luck with your training, Brother. The Emperor protects.

  • @jacobwooten977
    @jacobwooten977 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    ItalianSpartacus recommended your training grounds.
    Now I understand fencing knife parry is a dark soul fist parry and bulwark parry is a dark soul medium shield parry
    Gratitude Brother

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Brother Spartacus' training was indeed impressive and packed full of knowledge. That I was able to reinforce or add any value to what you learned under his tutelage pleases me, Brother. Emperor guide you.

  • @eituyn
    @eituyn 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Bruh, your vids are amazing. They are long, but they are packed with good crap and not just telling us about your trips to Napa wine country and fluff. Thanks for being tremendous!

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@eituyn I am grateful for support, Brother. Thank you! Also, between me and you, I understood that reference 😂

  • @dongenesis5891
    @dongenesis5891 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    your mic audio has improved and is way better brother. keep it up and thank you for the updated parry video. one more suggestion brother for future parry vids, maybe showcase the parries during actual missions with multiple enemies charging at you on different difficulties if possible that would be much better.

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@dongenesis5891 I am honored and thankful for your ongoing support, Brother. Emperor guide you. I will definitely get some gameplay recorded to further showcase this during Operations!

  • @mohamadaiman2301
    @mohamadaiman2301 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Tq so much brother now i understand why my parry always 30% succefully because the bulwark class always go for block first

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Precisely, Brother. I hope this knowledge continues to serve you well in the field. The Emperor protects.

  • @nihilnovum5034
    @nihilnovum5034 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks for the ravener part too! someone linked this to me in our chaper discord and at first i was like, "hey man i already get my perfect parries i dont need this at all" But yet again, you made a great video! And yeah, appreciate the ravener part especially!
    I just wish we could practice parrying against all the enemies in a controlled environment. I really thought the sparring arena was for this, but it wasn't that at all... Oh well. You deserve my praise, like, and comment! This should help those struggling with this A LOT! its really hard to try to explain this to someone with just words, so being able to link this to them is golden!

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@nihilnovum5034 You honor me with such praise, Brother. I am grateful for your support, and certainly agree with your point of having a training arena to practice against certain enemies. I guess we would also need some sort of Lore reason as to why that is taking place to go along with that because everything is lore based it seems. Emperor guide you, Brother.

    • @nihilnovum5034
      @nihilnovum5034 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@COA5T In words that come from my chapter the black templars and are related to the subject:
      "Accept Any Challenge, No Matter the Odds."
      So go forth and slay the xenos, the Heretic and the witch! Brother. :)

  • @crazywolf5177
    @crazywolf5177 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Italian Spartacus be blessed to show me the way to you. I cannot tell you how I was pulling my hair because I couldn't understand how I was able to perfectly parry and stagger enemies with any class besides the Bullwark which happens to be my main.... The Emperor may always protect and bless you.

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@crazywolf5177 Brother Spartacus' training grounds were extremely efficient and detailed. That I could offer any additional guidance following his tutelage is a blessing, Brother. With this newfound understanding, your shield will become impenetrable on the battlefield. The Emperor protects.

  • @josemartinezvillegas4300
    @josemartinezvillegas4300 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    AMAZING WORK BROTHER. Those beasts were kicking my ass out in hard mode and i didn't know why. Thank you!

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  หลายเดือนก่อน

      You are most welcome, Brother. The Emperor protects.

  • @lightstealer18
    @lightstealer18 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My friend. You have helped me tremendously, thank you!

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@lightstealer18 You are most welcome, Brother. The Emperor protects.

  • @brettgarnier107
    @brettgarnier107 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Your videos are the best on the subject, showing when you parry was 10/10 good content.

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@brettgarnier107 You honor me, Brother. I am thankful for your endorsement. The Emperor protects.

  • @harjawaldaz136
    @harjawaldaz136 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thanks a bunch dude. I was never really frustrated with the game but I definitely felt I wasn't fully getting the parry system. Game is kinda sneakily just getting better and better as the mechanics click for me ^^

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@harjawaldaz136 You're welcome, Brother. Your combat efficiency will certainly rise by a considerable margin once mastered. The Emperor protects.

  • @jacobjueschke6898
    @jacobjueschke6898 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    This is the best deep dive I've seen of this, been trying to figure it out since early access. Thank you brother.

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I am glad to have been of aid to my Brother!

  • @brandonbrashear2446
    @brandonbrashear2446 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you so much for posting this. Leveling up my Bulwark at the moment and have been really struggling with this through the first 4 hours plus of doing so. I’ve never seen a parry system where you have to preload your parry while the enemy preloads their incoming attack. lol Thanks again.

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You are absolutely welcome, Brother. May your shield be covered by the Emperor's blessing.

  • @PerfectDeath4
    @PerfectDeath4 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Had used the fencing sword for a while to do some parry practice, then jumped to chain sword and power fist.
    The fencing does feel much easier to land the parry. On balanced weapons if I did not react/notice an attack coming in and tried to parry I would block; however, fencing seemed much more forgiving.
    I would recommend players take a quick look around the area before getting into a fight, consider where you can do a fighting withdrawal at and hopefully your team has your back. Bulwark with guard up is kinda like the Heavy's special skill but can block almost everything except for orange attacks, snipers, blues, stagger, and grapples.
    You can slowly walk back, blocking everything, waiting for good parry windows and attacks you need to dodge. Shield bash is great for slowly thinning the wave and can give stagger immunity while keeping the block up to tank ranged fire. Parry regular attacks at least every 30s to drop a shock field too.
    Gun strikes are a great way to regen armor, if HP is needed save banner for executions.

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Fantastic combat data analysis, Brother. Great tips all around.

  • @kurtisdeakin
    @kurtisdeakin 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Emperor bless you!! It's a nightmare doing this while getting shot, staggered by snipers, surrounded, hanged up on etc lol

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kurtisdeakin The Emperor protects, Brother. I have uploaded a full Operation gameplay video showcasing what we discussed in this video and Part 1.

  • @Mizouille445
    @Mizouille445 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks a lot for that, both videos helped me quite a lot to understand the timings with the bulwark!!! Really neat work!!!

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Mizouille445 You are most welcome, Brother. Part 3 is pretty long but is a full Operation showing that these techniques can be used confidently during missions.

  • @luminox1806
    @luminox1806 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Brother thank you very much now i understand. ItalianSparticus also sent me here. Again thank you very much for the clear and precise breakdown. Helps a lot!
    The Emperor Protects!

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@luminox1806 The Emperor protects indeed, Brother. I am glad to have added any value to your previous training with Brother Spartacus. Emperor guide you.

  • @ALUCARDTWILLIGHT
    @ALUCARDTWILLIGHT 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Thank you for this brother, your last video really helped my slow down and actually learn to parry it changed the whole game for me. I heard someone liken it to sekiro being a rhythm thing i couldn't agree more once you have the rythmn down youll be parrying most attacks

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That these demonstrations have aided you honors me, Brother. A background like ours has afforded us the ability to complete mental hurdles such as these with general ease. Emperor guide you.

  • @lukemarlowe6592
    @lukemarlowe6592 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Spartacus sent me here also. Great vid and breakdown. Parry def feels a bit wonky on bulwark.

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I agree that it is certainly not as intuitive and doesn't behave as expected compared to the other classes in the game. But I am glad you have gained valuable information about the parry from both myself and Brother Spartacus, Brother.

  • @TristanGTR
    @TristanGTR 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    your first video, has me tearing through these enemies like an animal now. Thanks!
    It seems like the character goes into a little stance to parry the attacks.
    maybe it works as long as the hit lands while he is in that part of the parry animation where he is holding the sword and shield up for the attack.

    • @circle_it
      @circle_it 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame dude. super helpful video

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@TristanGTR Exactly, Brother! That is what I have observed as well for the most part. Additionally, I am glad to hear that our foes know swift and painful death on the battlefield thanks to you!

  • @Jacon86
    @Jacon86 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very nice and clear! It would be great to do the same with other weapons Fencing and Equilibrate type. Anyway, very useful, good work!

  • @epone3488
    @epone3488 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    So in martial arts terms; you wait for your target to "chamber" the attack (hold weapon back at shoulder) at this point you que the parry and let the frames go past and the game performs the parry in due course.

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Precisely, Brother. But in real time, when you visually see the startup frames of the attack is what triggers you to respond with input.

  • @curiositiesbythomas5302
    @curiositiesbythomas5302 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Awesome breakdown of the parry window brother! I think my problem now has been that I don't release the key when I am trying to parry!

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@curiositiesbythomas5302 Precisely, Brother! Just a quick tap of the key is all you need. Combine that with the right timing and you will become even more deadly, Brother. Emperor guide you.

  • @tylerjames9539
    @tylerjames9539 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Great explanation! I do hope they’ll tune the parry window to be in line with everyone else’s, though. The current timing is perhaps a little too specific for someone with my reflexes LOL

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tylerjames9539 I agree that the parry is quite a jarring experience coming from other classes to the Bulwark. I, too, pray there is a better way forward for us, Brother!

    • @Lavos156
      @Lavos156 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah it feels weird that a heavy carrying a giant gun can parry easier than a guy with a sword and shield.

  • @SirPreyas
    @SirPreyas หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you for part 2!

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@SirPreyas You are welcome, Brother. Hopefully this information has been of use to you. The Emperor protects.

  • @jamescorderjr1274
    @jamescorderjr1274 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This was extremely useful!! Thank you

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jamescorderjr1274 For that, I am thankful, Brother.

  • @christopherheavrin4767
    @christopherheavrin4767 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Awesome video excellent explanation

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@christopherheavrin4767 My thanks, Brother! 🙏🏽

  • @ScrawnyClownSnatch
    @ScrawnyClownSnatch 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Ok, this is all sorts of helpfull. I have been racking my brain trying to find out why its almost immpossible for me to parry with the sheild, but on every other class its simple.
    I've had to resort to just spamming the button to get them off previously. This has to be a bug as parry should take priority over block (or better yet, make it a different button).
    The MOMENT I tried this, it worked 100% better. THANK YOU.
    I can now play Bulwark.

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You are welcome. That your training so quickly paid off is great news, Brother. You honor me. May the Emperor guide your step!

  • @chiefsluck7235
    @chiefsluck7235 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Tactical bleeding out in the background be like ‘am I a joke to you, just finish em already and Rez me brotha!😂😅’
    Great vid. Helped loads

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      😂 Thank you, Brother!

  • @josephvadasz1238
    @josephvadasz1238 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Excellent video brother thank you so much

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@josephvadasz1238 Thank you, Brother!

  • @DJchrismiller1
    @DJchrismiller1 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    TY, Got it perfect, the trials as practice is did the trick.

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DJchrismiller1 Excellent work, Brother!

  • @AshKaye78
    @AshKaye78 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    this is awesome, thank you brother

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you, Brother. The Emperor protects.

  • @williammclyr3330
    @williammclyr3330 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Train parry for a bit, it's actually pretty easy even with balanced weapon. I have to switch habits a little, get too used to deflecting in sekiro (or elden ring with deflecting hard tear) where you have to tap button just before you get hit. Thank you for your guide

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@williammclyr3330 You're welcome, Brother. With a sharp mind that has been battle-tested in other worlds such as yours, it's no mystery you grasp the concept quickly and execute with precision. Emperor guide you.

  • @AJDC_5
    @AJDC_5 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Haven't played Bukwark yet and I didn't know this, have been having fun with Assault. This is good to know because Im definitely going to be playing Bulwark.
    Good video brother.

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you, Brother. I have no doubt that you will become a critical stalwart, safeguarding the Imperium. Courage and Honour!

  • @josiahcornejo3334
    @josiahcornejo3334 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Bro! Thank god! Struggling is not a strong enough word to describe how bad I have been struggling with this! 😂😂😂

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@josiahcornejo3334 I am glad you were able to acquire useful information here, Brother!

  • @12deathguard
    @12deathguard 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Great info, thanks.

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You're welcome.....traitor?

    • @12deathguard
      @12deathguard 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@COA5T Shit I've been discovered. "Throws vanishing powder and disappears"

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@12deathguard 😂.......😡

  • @tyezvex1608
    @tyezvex1608 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love this detailed explanation. I think the biggest problem some people have is tapping the button instead of holding for that slightly too long.

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I am of the same mind, Brother. I believe that our console Brothers in particular have not been set up for success and it would seem that they have even less forgiveness with the way the game registers their inputs. That can be quite frustrating for sure.

  • @yuuts2619
    @yuuts2619 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Well done. There’s a gap in the market for more technical game content.

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@yuuts2619 I am appreciative of your commendation, Brother. Thank you 🙏🏽

  • @Symolian88
    @Symolian88 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you for this video. I have been having trouble with the timing of my parry on the Bulwark and now I just need to do a bit of practice.

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Symolian88 You are welcome, Brother. Our enemies will express extreme displeasure with the results of your training, and your uncanny ability to find new ways to exterminate them.

  • @bollywig7871
    @bollywig7871 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Fantastic vid. Exactly the info I was looking for. You've earned yourself a sub.

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@bollywig7871 Thank you, Brother! I hope this information continues to serve you well.

  • @redpaint0
    @redpaint0 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Top notch vid dude, in a sea of pointless wep teir lists, youve gone and shown and explained perfectly how the parry system works on bulwark...you absolute legend 👌

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You honor me, Brother. I am glad to be of use to both my Battle-Brothers and the Imperium. The Emperor protects.

  • @Rdy2Xpl
    @Rdy2Xpl 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Outstanding Video brother, thanks for taking the time to explain and display it so well, was a HUGE help figuring this out.

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      To be of aid to you is an honor, Brother. Emperor guide you.

  • @seahad4744
    @seahad4744 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks for the videos. Playing vanguard it's a breeze. Bulwark has me thinking I'm broken lol

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@seahad4744 You're welcome Brother. You will be able to master it quickly.

  • @j2kim
    @j2kim 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    thank you man! i already learned so much from the previous video and testing it in the trials... sooooo key man. this is even better now!

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You are welcome, Brother! Your training will see your combat efficiency rise by a considerable margin!

  • @iBeReaper
    @iBeReaper 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Dude thank you so much. This shit was driving me nuts

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@iBeReaper You're welcome, Brother!

  • @hutch0575
    @hutch0575 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You can test out the parry move by pressing block twice. The parry is a sword move. You swing the sword if you hold block and press the button one more time. I learned it by accident in pvp.

  • @michaele8157
    @michaele8157 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Really really good video. I came from assault. I was wondering what was going on when I played bulwark. Very good info. I linked to your video on Reddit also. Hope u didn't mind

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you, Brother. Distribution of these Visual Training aids throughout our ranks is both encouraged and appreciated. Emperor guide you.

  • @Noble_Flash
    @Noble_Flash หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you very much bro for your guides on parrying! But unfortunately I can't perfectly parry the attacks of the hydralisk, only a perfect dodge on the second hit of the combo. I tried both early and laterI, just block.
    It's easy enough to perfectly dodge all 4 of his attacks. But the parrying is a pain.
    There are no problems with the tyranid warrior, I now parry him by sound :D

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Noble_Flash Thank you, Brother. For the Ravener (StarCraft hydralisk), I would recommend double checking if you have equipped yourself with a Power sword that has the 'FENCING' defence stat before you go into Trial 3. This will allow you to train against this enemy's parry window more efficiently. With the latest patch, the Perfect Parry window on Fencing weapons is quite large and very forgivable.

    • @Noble_Flash
      @Noble_Flash หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@COA5T Jesus! You were absolutely right! I lvl up my fist level after completing the blade, and it turns out that when you select the weapon position in the list, this position is mirrored on all other weapons.
      Where I had a fist to fencing, but the sword was automatically on the block. Now Ravener has a constant perfect parry.
      Thanks again! Now it's time for a video about advanced swordsmanship)

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Noble_Flash Excellent, Brother! That was something I noticed as well when changing load outs. if you change any weapon it changes all the other weapons in that category. I hope they patch that later on because it's very unintuitive.

  • @GerdionXT
    @GerdionXT 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You earned my sub brother

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@GerdionXT I am grateful for your support, Brother. Emperor protect
      you.

  • @Anyone290
    @Anyone290 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Italianspartacus->tony->👍👍👍

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Anyone290 Brother Spartacus' guide was amazing!

  • @menaceiwill1
    @menaceiwill1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Fun fact you only have to parry the last attack in combo to get the pistol shot.
    So block block parry. Just incase people prefer blocking with bulwark

  • @CynicalCitiz3n
    @CynicalCitiz3n 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Yo this explains alot, I've been having a tough time understanding this parry window shit. Ty!

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You're welcome, Brother!

  • @davidgannon-g4t
    @davidgannon-g4t 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Excellent vid brother. In general its when they have their weapon high and about to swing? Can i beseech thee to continue in your guidance and create a perfect dodge guide? Also perhaps a dodge counter lunge guide? Also a parry guide when surrounded by the little blue sword and shield guys with chaos marines support? Oh and finally a perfect dodge counter lunge guide when facing the end boss in the second pve mission. Your work is exemplary brother. Gratitude and respect.

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Your words of praise honor me greatly, Brother. During the video, where you see show the 1st frame that I press parry on, that means that very slightly before that I visually saw the enemy preparing for their attack. It is both an anticipation that an attack will happen, and that I need to respond as quickly and early as possible to that attack. But I think generally speaking you are correct. It is as the enemy is 'winding up' or preparing to swing. As to your other inquiries, I and working on a collection of gameplay examples that should be able to demonstrate performing these operation in the field, to include perfect dodging.

  • @Wanthor26
    @Wanthor26 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    👍

  • @JB-xi2yv
    @JB-xi2yv 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    My latest issue is when I'm being mobbed, I parry some hormogants instead of the warrior.

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@JB-xi2yv That's understandable, Brother. Try to weave in some shield bashes to make space from time to time, but as long as you have the correct timing against the Majoris unit, if it hits a Minoris they should also get STUNNED, but not necessarily a perfect Parry, meaning you won't get a Gunstrike opportunity. Just reset and try again.

  • @Thiccron
    @Thiccron 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great vid
    I feel like they’ve gotta fix this to feel like the other classes. Its such a pain to switch from any other to bulwark

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Thiccron I agree that it is quite a jarring experience when switching to Bulwark and trying to parry after playing other classes, Brother. I am interested to see if this is going to change.

    • @Thiccron
      @Thiccron 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@COA5T It seems to me like it can’t be intended to be this way, but hey who knows. Honestly I got to about lvl 10 with my bulwark but having to parry SO early compared to everything else was just not something I can get used to haha. Felt really good to go back to vanguard

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Thiccron Quite understandable, Brother. Nevertheless, I will remain on the front lines watching your flank. The Emperor protects.

  • @urchinsify
    @urchinsify 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is great explanation but a pro tip for making guides :
    Play the action at normal speed first before breaking it down. Instead of breaking it down first so we get full context.

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@urchinsify I greatly appreciate the feedback, Brother! I will say that this video was a follow-up to PART 1 which was In complete full speed, but Brothers were asking for an on screen overlay and for it to be slowed down which prompted me to make this video in the first place. That was why I took that approach this time. But I certainly agree that your proposal is certainly ideal.

    • @urchinsify
      @urchinsify 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@COA5T Thank you brother. This is an excellent digital tome of knowledge.

  • @BlackGeine
    @BlackGeine 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If you hit confirm your attacks instead of mashing and react the parry you won't have issues.

  • @sidhintzsche6773
    @sidhintzsche6773 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Just played my first round as a bulwark everything felt odd. That explains it. Pretty sad that the nr 1 block class is broken right now.

  • @zyderveld
    @zyderveld 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank god. Suuuch a good explanation. Subbed x

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@zyderveld I am grateful for your support. Thank you, Brother!

  • @Ancient_Hoplite
    @Ancient_Hoplite 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You are doing the Emperor's work brother.

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Ancient_Hoplite Thank you, Brother. The Emperor protects.

  • @gabrieldidan
    @gabrieldidan 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    also do not run while moving around that brings up shield also great vid

  • @kwasiromero1893
    @kwasiromero1893 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Mad probs bro, I actually looked at the character animation to get the timing in the 1st vid

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      With your heart pure, and your mind without heretical thought, it is no mystery why you were able to grasp this concept so swiftly and put into practice, Brother. I am proud of you. Emperor guide you.

  • @danakinstreetrider
    @danakinstreetrider 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Bruh. Bro. Homie. Dude. Brother..... Why is this the ONLY good video I've been able to find on the parry window?! Awesome. Thank you very much. *Power fist bump*

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@danakinstreetrider *Power Fist Bump* You are welcome, Shield Brother!

  • @DK-sm5wf
    @DK-sm5wf 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    the issue I'm having is, there rarely is a solo enemy. Usually I'm crowded by them so I'm blocking, now when the parry should come up I first have to stop the block and then throw that parry right after which is not that great to do if both is on the same keybind.

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Releasing Block into Parry certainly requires finesse Brother, I won't deny that. In Part 1, you can see that I block the smaller enemies and release into Parry on the Warrior consistently, which causes the surrounding enemies to stagger as well. Given that situation, you can do this knowing that while there is a possibility that some of the smaller hits will get through, the Gunstrike opportunity from the Perfect Parry will provide you a way to recover that Contested Health.

  • @mars2damax
    @mars2damax หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I really hope they patch this issue, cause we shouldn't have to watch a video on how to properly use a flawed parry system

  • @BaneOfXistence4
    @BaneOfXistence4 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Does letting go of the block after holding for a while button count towards a parry/perfect parry? That's how it works in Smash Ultimate. Letting go of a button is more smooth of an input than tapping with a delay or like some people said to double tap the button as Bulwark.

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      In action and fighting games, we call that technique 'Negative Edge', which the game registers the release of a button for certain moves as an actual button press. For Perfect Parries in this game, it does not Brother. Although sometimes when parrying the small creatures it does feel that way, but maybe their parry window is just gigantic.

    • @BaneOfXistence4
      @BaneOfXistence4 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@COA5T Unfortunate. But maybe they will change that in the future. Thank you for the information, brother.✊️

  • @Methodbruno1987
    @Methodbruno1987 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video. Now you just need to teach them how to play their "bulwark" class and how to use the banner with the team or cover heavy, because they don't know how to do that either. a lot of tank and no way to "tank

  • @ExeRosario
    @ExeRosario 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I don't know if this works on Xbox and PC, but on PS5 you can double tap the block button in order to parry with bulwark

  • @sontranbich9257
    @sontranbich9257 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Now i know why I cannot parry with Bulwark

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  หลายเดือนก่อน

      You have acquired new knowledge, Brother. I have no doubt that you will swiftly transform it into combat efficiency that will decimate the battlefield. Emperor guide you.

  • @stevenszmek7007
    @stevenszmek7007 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Playing Bulwark as main i found it pretty much impossible first. The fencing sword started to help a little. I now wonder when the "fencing bonus" kicks in. Does it add to the window after or before the regular time. Dodge basically does not work for me when orienting on the sign either... and parry - well with the sword now it at least happens once in a while since i thought this blue sign made sense - for the Bulwark it seems less so though.

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Great observations, Brother! I will say this, and hopefully it makes sense. I believe the Parry window is being extended on the back end, not the front. Simply because you cannot parry the enemy before they are able to be parried. If they were to add frames that could be parried at the front end, it would not match the expected animations and in some cases, the enemy could get parried even before swinging their weapon. Now, I could be completely wrong about that, but that is my current line of thinking.

  • @briannguyen4473
    @briannguyen4473 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    how to do you perfect dodge for the ravenor? I'm struggling trying to find out what keys i need to press for his second phase attack but I'm definitely improving with the parrying phases thanks to your guide and some practice and great guide and video man :D

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@briannguyen4473 Thank you, Brother! Perfect Dodge is almost the opposite of the Perfect Parry I demonstrate in these videos. Instead of pressing the button early, you must press Dodge as late as possible right before the attack connects with you. You know when you have done it because it goes into a short slow-motion during the Dodge. In the video I am just pressing the Dodge button in a NEUTRAL position, meaning I am not holding any direction when I press Dodge. It causes you to jump backwards, kinda like the Souls games if you have ever played those. If you have more questions ask away, Brother.

  • @HitsuDen
    @HitsuDen 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you for the guide! Now I can easy parry/block Vs one tough enemy. But I'm still struggling when it comes to packs of small and big enemies. How not to be hit while swinging the sword? The third tier with fencing is pretty slow.

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@HitsuDen Thanks for attending this training, Brother! When dealing with a horde of enemies: don't concentrate so much on taking ZERO damage. Navigate the horde with the mindset that you are going to take some damage, you are just going to mitigate a MAJORITY of it, and heal back a good portion of that contested health through timely Gunstrikes, and executions which will be awarded to you through your stalwart defense and perfect parries. Once you can consistently adopt this mindset, challenging the horde will seem less daunting and you can focus on the task of eliminating high priority threats.

    • @HitsuDen
      @HitsuDen 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@COA5T Thank you, brother! A small commentary about positioning and dealing with hordes would be useful. What to do - blocking and shieldbashing or just swinging the sword/fist.

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@HitsuDen I will do this, Brother. Look forward to it!

  • @Winterfalke
    @Winterfalke 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thanks for the video, very insightful. Would be cool if you showed the power sword combos.
    I can't wrap my head around some of the moves (like the one where you do a jump and then thrust your sword into the ground) and googeling the problem I'm not the only one.

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You are welcome, Brother. I will do my best to provide some visual demonstrations, with gameplay from Operations for the Power Sword.

    • @Hazmat2142
      @Hazmat2142 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The rising slash you can only do it after a regular light attack and you need to wait till your characters sword glows after they strike if you get faster at it you can put it into combos nicely

  • @sg1trogdor
    @sg1trogdor หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hmm interesting I never knew this was an issue but now that I do im gonna start having issues lol.

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@sg1trogdor You are a stalwart, Brother. Of pure mind, absent of heresy. This is but a small obstacle in your path, and it is unworthy of delaying your hunt. You will master this swiftly, and continue on as if this knowledge had merely been recalled from memory. Emperor guide your step, Brother.

  • @panchokov7752
    @panchokov7752 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So as a melee class, bulwark kinda has a smaller time window for you to press the parry button to parry lol

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@panchokov7752 I believe this is effectively correct, Brother. If not, it certainly FEELS that way.

  • @bjm6104
    @bjm6104 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Good shit

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you, Brother!

  • @storm5257
    @storm5257 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I put parry on q, finally getting used to it and its starting to work smoothly

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Your training has proved fruitful, Brother. I did not doubt for one second that it would.

  • @EyeDeal_666
    @EyeDeal_666 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you for this, very helpful.
    I would like you to show how you were doing this whilst simultaneously blocking all the trash enemies in the first trial, please?

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you, Brother. I will certainly record some gameplay examples of this while doing Operations.

    • @EyeDeal_666
      @EyeDeal_666 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@COA5T Thanks mate, I've subbed so I won't miss it! 👍

  • @HansGrub
    @HansGrub หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My only issue is how the windows vary when you choose fencing vs blocking vs balanced versions? This video doesn't clarify which version he's using.

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@HansGrub In this video I am using Balanced weapons for Chainsword and Power Sword respectively, Brother. If you can master the perfect Parry on Balanced, then by virtue Fencing weapons only become easier to use. I do not recommend using Block weapons in any case, as they do not provide enough benefit to offset losing your parry window.

  • @kevinstravel
    @kevinstravel 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Is the dodge automatic? I noticed you arent hitting any keys when you are dodging the ravener

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kevinstravel Great question, Brother. During this demonstration I did not remap my Dodge key to one that was on the display. The Dodge is not automatic. Even though it was not shown, I was pressing my Dodge key at the correct time, I was so focused on showing the parry I did not think to remap Dodge.

  • @4ek_1
    @4ek_1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    What i hate about parry in this game is the lack of POV setting and when you overrun by enemy its really hard to focus the enemy that you need/want to make a parry.

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I believe you are referring to 'FOV' settings, and I would have to agree, Brother.

  • @goldenducky12
    @goldenducky12 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My question is though, what defense type do you use on the weapon? Fencing makes parrying easier but you lose so many stats compared to blocking, blocking might be ok on bulwark because we have a shield.

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You cannot perform Perfect Parries with a Blocking weapon. Additionally, blocking with your shield is more beneficial as there are skills in the Perk Tree that reward you for doing so. Perfect Parries can only be performed on Balanced and Fencing weapons. In Trial 1, you are relegated to using a Balanced Chainsword. If you are able to master the timing with that, then by virtue any Fencing weapon with only make parrying even easier, Brother.

  • @spechtmaxime4201
    @spechtmaxime4201 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I don’t know why but with the bulwark it was easier for me to parry.
    Now I’m currently leveling the Scout and hell no I don’t know why but it’s so difficult with the combat knife….

  • @AnonymousVenator
    @AnonymousVenator 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    15:30 Well tbf with the stance and tail being up it does kinda indicate it's gonna distant lunge attack.

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The inconsistency that I spoke of is not with the attack itself. It is when we press Parry during that window. Sometimes I press parry immediately as it starts and the Ravener gets somewhat 'magnetised' to my parry. Other times that doesn't work. Sometimes I wait and press and bit later, and that works. It's a bit inconsistent compared to what I have experienced with the other enemy types, and it is just specifically the Blue Parry window on that enemy.

  • @tube9ovejas
    @tube9ovejas 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The Emperor is watching brother and he's proud

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Grateful am I to receive his blessing, as is my shield, Brother.

  • @MrFedelem
    @MrFedelem 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The emperor protects. Thanks for the guide.

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You are welcome, Brother. Emperor guide you.

  • @EfferusZangetsu
    @EfferusZangetsu หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    They should have made it bindable to different buttons...

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@EfferusZangetsu I agree 💯 percent, Brother.

  • @Max_Gaming_189
    @Max_Gaming_189 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Im having trouble with Holding block while being attacked, while having to click parry. Im good with the timing. Just switching between Holding and press during combat

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I won't deny the execution of releasing Block into Parry certainly requires some finesse. It is a rather swift operation. But with time, will become second nature, Brother. In Part 1, you can see me doing this a few times but consistently.

  • @Colancio
    @Colancio 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great explanation, although I think the parry/block mechanic of the bulwark really suck, I wish I can parry easily as all other classes, the shield feels more like an annoyance than a good thing.

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you, Brother. I am interested in seeing if the devs decide to keep or change this mechanic for our Shield Brothers.

  • @davidgannon-g4t
    @davidgannon-g4t 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    apologies for my neglegance. I also struggle with the powerfist parry. Im new to this weapon and the timing seems different from the sword parry and vexes me. Any help would be appreciated thanks again brother.

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      No need to apologize, Brother! I have been using the Power Fist quite a bit recently. I generally use the same concept shown here. But I am working on recording some gameplay examples with all of our weapons so that we have a clear visual without ambiguity.

  • @nu.typographer
    @nu.typographer 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    how do you personally deal with the parry timing when there's a bunch of stuff going on and you can't see the enemy that you intend to parry on your screen while you are attacking minor enemies?

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Great question, Brother. In first video - Part 1, take note of how I block the smaller enemies and focus my attention solely on the Warrior. I do this because the Warrior is linked with the smaller enemies around him. If I kill him, either most or all of the smaller enemies with die instantly along with him. He is basically their Commander at that point. This is how the Tyranid's Hive Mind works. Think back to the bridge scene in Operation 2 when you collapse the bridge on the Hive Tyrant. He takes big damage and becomes temporarily incapacitated, causing all those minions on the bridge to also suddenly die. This is that, but to a much lesser extent.

    • @nu.typographer
      @nu.typographer 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@COA5T ah gotcha thank you, so I should focus mostly on the warrior

    • @PerfectDeath4
      @PerfectDeath4 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Honestly, from what i've experienced and seen of other bulwarks they rely on the shock AoE from parry. You can spawn one every 30s from parry and also when losing armor every 3-ish mins.
      When you are about to get swarmed, find a way to fall back with your team, keep your shield facing the enemy and guard up to block ranged shots too, roll back if you need more space.
      You can quickly drop your block then tap for parry when you see an enemy about to swing (and no orange halo), you will parry, spawn AoE, and stagger the enemies back. That AoE will do pretty good work thinning the group. You can also shield bash for some extra damage.
      Just keep the enemy in the forward 180 degrees of your shield.
      Hopefully your team keeps your flanks and rear covered.

  • @8654ZuluFoxtrot
    @8654ZuluFoxtrot 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Looks to me like bad design by the Devs if you have to press parry BEFORE the blue indicator. Seems like they should have simply put Parry and Block assignable to different keys. There is NO reason the Bulwark should function differently than ALL the other classes when it comes to Parry. If the technique to play this class boils down to you memorizing attack strings and anticipating them just to get the class to function correctly, contrary to all other classes, then something is wrong here.

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@8654ZuluFoxtrot I am in agreement, Brother. As is most of our number. I've heard this sentiment expressed quite a bit over the course of this series. I will be interested to see if the devs change this on an upcoming patch. Emperor protects.

  • @DreXav01
    @DreXav01 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love this video... but how the hell one is supposed to see those subtle cues when you are drowning in gaunts and got 7 tyranid warriors swinging at you at the same time XD
    Does this also mean you can't do any attack swings in between?

    • @COA5T
      @COA5T  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DreXav01 Those situations seem difficult to navigate, and at times they are, Brother. However, you must take into account your Battle-Brothers. If you are near them, or herd the horde back to them, they will be able to peel a couple of those Majors off while you mitigate a good portion of incoming attacks. Ideally, 2 or 3 is the most you want fight alone in my experience. You will have to utilize your Dodge more and pick where you want to use the Perfect Parry when you are certain it can land. When you see that your brothers have put 1 or 2 of them in the execute state, use that to gain some invincibility and look around to plan your next move. I am trying to put together some gameplay examples of exactly this, since it is a question posed to me quite often.

  • @donearl6675
    @donearl6675 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1