DO MUAY THAI/KICKBOXERS HAVE GOOD BOXING FUNDAMENTALS? Technical Differences | BAZOOKATRAINING.COM
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Your channel and Gabriel Vargas channel are an endless wealth of information. Thank you for the insight
True!
Too bad this is a niche community, if everyone was a kickboxer these guys would be getting 6 figure views consistently.
You're absolutely on point. Best two fighting channels on TH-cam.
@@adamc4321 you never know tho. whose to say they aren’t ? who cares ? as long as they’re giving us value, then surely their ROI will be tremendous regardless.
You Sir are a excellent teacher as well as fighter, you explain the science of kickboxing , i’m new to kickboxing i’ve taken only a couple of lessons. thanks🙏🏽
So amazing techniques thanks joe
Bazooka joe is the kickboxing master mind !!!!,learn so much from he’s videos and without doubt best you tube guy,him and samart Muay Thai legend always give amazing tips,
This did a really good job of pointing out and bringing down the slight differences in mechanics that most people starting off would not notice. Me personally I’m more of puncher anyways so I like my punches to have more leverage and weight into them but know when to adjust if I want to change to a more kick friendly strategy or if I see that my opponent is trying to exploit my boxing style by throwing a lot of low kicks to the front calf and thigh I adjust my stance to better prepare to check them
I train with straight top of the line coaches.
Boxing
Kick Boxing
And Muay thai.
I have to ajust all the time.
It’s like learning french and english at the same time.
BUT! One day i hope to be bilingual.
Mr. Joe, you are a true teacher.
You have a friend in Québec.
Thank you so very much
My guy, you have some serious leg muscles. Amazing! I am inspired to keep on with training (though I'm like the biggest beginner, these videos are so helpful).
Excellent video. Provided a wealth of information about boxing and kick boxing 👏
Ive recently started kickboxing for my boxing you’re channel is gold🤝
Thank you very much! Learned a lot from this episode!
Great Post as per usual Coach.
I actually had this discussion with one of my coaches earlier this evening at training. I come from a traditional karate background and my stances are long and deep for Muay Thai. I’m new to MT and I’m finding the transition a little bit weird. Several years of karate, a couple of years of boxing and new to Muay Thai.
Right now, it’s all weird for me.
Thanks again for your helpful post Coach.
Here’s hoping that you and all of your loved ones are remaining healthy and safe during this time of Global Covid Craziness.
Kindest regards,
David from Toronto
Peace
I did years of tkd and I'm wanting to go take some boxing classes. I'd rather do Muay Thai but there's no gym that offers it so boxing is what I'm going to pair it with
thank you for your time and teaching us all the explanation of things too
great vid joe!
Great video Joe! You Sir know your stuff.
This was a great video!
Super interesting, thank you!
great vid! thank you so much!
You the man Joe!
Very nice and clear explanation! I switched from MT/Kickboxing to boxing due to a hip in jury. I thought I could box decently, but man was I wrong! Felt like I had to start from the beginning. Head movement, footwork, bodyshots etc. I recently started MT again and have to be careful not to put my weight on the front foot ;)
I come from a long background of kickboxing, wrestling, and mma, but have been teaching myself how to box on my own for the last 7 years.
I just joined a boxing gym and the coaches have only needed to tweak my stance, good position and guard,to cut off the angles from leaving spaces for hands to sneak in, but as far as footwork, head movement, hand speed, power, and accuracy, nothing but compliments.
I don't see kickboxing and boxing as having opposite stances or guards, I see them both as different tools in one fighting style that is ME.
I can switch between different stances, depending on the opponents angle of attack, distance, openings, and abilities.
The key is in mastering each separately AND working on transitional footwork and drills.
@@TheMatrixofMeaning I rely on kicks a lot and use my kicks to set up punches and vice versa so a switch to boxing would be difficult
Great video and break down
Good techniques, thank you for your share.👍
Very Well Said Sir! They might both throw hands but the whole body is totally different.
thanks for the video
I feel like traditional boxing is more beneficial in Muay Thai than it is on Kickboxing. As you say it is hard for a kickboxer to finish with a kick using traditional boxing because of the backfoot coming forward for weight transfer making it too close which i find somewhat useful in muay thai because of closing distance means clinch plus thai fighters dont do combos.
Best video i have seen in years!
I can honestly agree, I have trained in muay tai for a couple of months really working on my kicking power and punching speed, I had a sparring session with a boxer under boxing rules, he dominated the entire session and I could barely touch him, I had to continually fight the urge to throw any type of kick or elbow so the body mechanics of boxing made it hard to adapt, boxing and other disciplines are not the same!
its a shitty feeling
It isnt, i transformed from Thai and Kickboxing to Boxing and the first thing is the different stance and movement, i thought it was gonna be easy cuz i focused on my arms and knee anyway but it was unusually hard to focus.
My question is why do more kickboxers and thai boxers transition to boxing? Is it to do with improving punches? I think a lot of you guys have good hands already.
I transistioned from karate to boxing to muay thai. I wanted to kick like a thai. I learned how to adjust my footwork if I wanna throw hands or kick. I felt like all those karate years are wasted tho.
Well explained pro's and cons of different stances
Amazing insight and great comparison. In boxing, there are some boxers who are using the long stance or maybe not exactly the long stance as far as the angles of the feet but in a sense that their feet are wider apart. Even Canelo used to have a longer boxing stance up until the Golovkin 2 fights where he was often reaching and missing punches against fighters with greater mobility. After his second fight against GGG he narrowed his stance and began hunting much larger and mobile fighters with much more ease. Boxers like Kovalev, Jacobs, Callum Smith and Billy Joe Saunders. Additionally, you could have a longer stance in boxing the way Oscar De La Hoya did. I can't think off the top of my head of any other boxer with a kickboxing stance or wide stance but Oscar De La Hoya comes to mind immediately.
This is the best thorough breakdown while being concise that I've seen on here. There's a lotta nuggets to feed on in it. Great union of thought process and technique. Thanks as always Joe! I'm gonna hit the share on this one for sure!! 🥊🙏🏾
Great Video.
Thanks from germany
Bravo!
You know when something is wrong and you know it but you just need to hear it from someone else to make sense of it, great info🙏
you are the man
A great fighter can mix both styles at different moments and different opponents
I always mix boxing foorwork and use my like a boxer when punching in kickboxing and muay thai
You get more reach when you bring that back foot up for the boxer cross as well and more shoulder and go rotation
Didn't even watch it yet, but guaranteed I'll love it!
Why?
Because I love all the outstanding knowledge you share!
Thank you!
Good explanation. Guess I'll try both.
I think it depends on what boxing school we are talking about and its a pity that most people only know this american-style, philly boxing in a bladed stance and with walking around the ring on flat feet. For example classical soviet/russian and english amateur boxing uses bouncing constantly, so the "karate" references for McGregor are totally out of place, it is classic boxing movement that karate borrowed in the 60s. But foot placement or pivoting can be adjusted, however the one KEY thing (K-1 style) kickboxers totally lack in boxing is the in and out movement, head movement, slips and feints, which is why adding good classical boxing to your arsenal will change your game dramatically and you can literally toy with most lower level kickboxers once you add boxing mobility to your game - most of these people never had to deal with moving target or feints and will just stand in front of you like a sitting goose.
To be fair, a goose is a pretty vicious animal. =p =)
Precisely, Boxing in itself has many styles from American, British, Russian and my personal favourite (Mexican). 🔥
Literally the only Channel I watch now for striking
I really hope that you revisit this with a focus on self defense and which would be more practical to learn primarily for that purpose.
When a boxer and kickboxer fight it could go either way very interesting
Why do Muay Thai fighters tend to have a very narrow stance compared to Kickboxers? Especially when Muay Thai emphasizes kicking significantly more than Kickboxing? Could you do a video on the technical differences between Muay Thai and Kickboxing and why the technical differences exist?
MT fighters stay in a narrow stance so that they can check kicks easily.
@@andrewwoods564 I guess I’m not sure why kickboxers stand longer then, bc they need to check low kicks too. Sacrificing more damage to leg in order to be able to kick harder? If a more narrow stance is better for punching and checking kicks than I think I’d prefer that over a stance that allows me to rear kick and knee harder but isn’t as good for punching and checking kicks.
@@blakedove2263 It's more about the different pointing systems from what I've heard. MT gives more points to the fighters when they kick and unbalance their opponent whereas dutch kickboxing points punches just as much as kicks frkm what I've heard.
I would say that the Muay Thai stance is also used in Kickboxing but as a defensive stance. Weight is simply transferred to the rear leg more instead of being equally balanced. In Muay Thai, taking arm kicks scores while they don't in kickboxing. So, often times, you want a defensive stance so that you check kicks more instead of shelling up like in kickboxing with a high guard.
It’s interesting that Joe is the only one who says a wide stance is good for kicking, and a narrow stance is good for punching, when everyone says the opposite, and for me, wider stance is better for punches. I don’t think Joe knows what he is saying in this video, but hey try it out and see if his shit works for you.
1:55 you certainly landed kicks from that position in your fights Joe
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I’m in a weird phase of loving boxing, but really wanting to compete in Muay Thai. I’m finding the blend of both styles is good and bad. I’m just trying to find ways to put them together and stop looking like I’m switching fighters in a game with I do one or the other
Study the muay thai legend Samart Payakaroon.
Try the Dutch style.
dutch MT. I came from a Boxing background and this is a great fit if you can find the right coaching. I was fortunate to train with someone under Henri Hooft
Giorgio Petrosyan is the one the best ever in blending boxing with his muay thai & kickboxing base competing in the latter sport.
You go for concepts as opposed to just techniques.
That’s the way to go because there are multiple ways to throw a simple jab, cross, or hook.
@@nicksalvatore5717 Yes.
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Nice video brother
very intelligent video.
It's was BRRRRRTTTT up to me
Good video
Kickboxing and wrestling
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So, which transition is better for someone ultimately going into kickboxing? I wish I had these videos when I was training because I didn't understand what the boxing trainers were telling me I was doing wrong coming from a kickboxing background. Kickboxing coach would tell me I had great punching technique but boxing coach was always correcting me.
Do you mean which stance is better?
If you want to practice mainly kickboxing, focusing on being good at the kickboxing stance is obviously ideal - but learning proper boxing stance and how to use it for in-fighting / power shots and how to use boxing defense can be extremely valuable (especially slipping/rolling punches and how to break an opponents striking momentum).
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yeah sparred a buddy the other day, been praticing boxing so long, when he hit me with a leg kick I was like wtf lol
But from the long KB stance, how you throw low kick with lead leg? Be hard to get it up off ground
2 weapons are better than 1 weapon.
Kicks are powerful. Why limit yourself to only punching? That's why there's kickboxing or American full contact Karate. Like I used to take a more boxing based combative in my Krav Maga class, but I switched to a Kyokushin fight class last year (and also supplemented by boxing punches and moves). The skills from Kyokushin Karate is easily transferable to kickboxing (K1 fighters in the 1990s were mostly Kyokushin and Seidokaikan fighters besides Dutch and American kickboxers).
@@yongjiean9980 yes... thats what I meant having to used both hands and legs is much better than only using one.
Kyokyshin is one of the best martial arts.
I sparred with a friend who was a kyo fighter that impressed me with how he resisted my low kicks yet I couldn't resist one of his. Kyo hardens your body like a rock... i love kyo but didn't get a chance to train it.
I don't get the stance point. boxing is usually associated with a longer stance than muay thai/kickboxing. Muay thai is traditionally very narrow. and the reasons are kicking and checking. (take Petrosyan or Buakaw, just to point to some big names as neat examples)
Yeah I noticed that too. Muay Thai favours the narrow stance due to kicking (quicker and less telegraphed) and checking, while the boxing wider stance provides a good base for footwork and planting the feet when throwing combinations.
Another difference is that Muay Thai stance is squared and you transfer weight to back leg. Not long stance but Joe is talking kickboxing not Muay Thai. He does go over the Muay Thai stance in other videos but refers to it as a defensive stance. In boxing, front foot is pointing in instead of forward to give a lesser target when facing opponents. Weight is balanced on both feet but sometimes transferred to front leg
should i box then transition to kickbocking or the other way around?
Boxing moves are good to use short range. It is the boxing moves I am close to my opponent.
They don’t particularly need it. But, it wouldn’t hurt to add it.
You get more reach on the cross when you step up with the back foot like a boxer
Muay Thai (title of video) the stance is opposite. It's more standing straight forward compared to a boxers stance. (Feet are almost even)
Kickboxing = boxing plus kicking. That's how American full contact Karate evolved from Karate (with face punches and full contact) added with Western boxing. Or boxing with kicking. There are many successful American kickboxers - Bill Wallace, Joe Lewis, Benny Urqudeiz (the Jet), Pete Cummingham, Rick Roufus etc. The key is to adopt ans adapt
Very true they mixed hands with kicks brilliantly was exciting to watch,big problem was no leg kicks,and as we saw when American kickboxers faced Muay Thai they got there asses kicked !!!,specially Rick roufus who was undeafeated,then Muay Thai was really born
Kickboxing has evolved a lot since then. Boxing actually shares a lot of similarity in stance and punches with karate. They just don’t have the lateral movement in Karate because they don’t have to worry about kicks
@@jamesmiles1328 adapt is the key. Sensei Benny the Jet uses low kicks too. If you can kick high you can kick low! Anyway Manson Gibson the American kickboxer calls himself the Thai killer and defeated many Thai fighters
Fucking underrated
perfect explanation
Both Artem Levin and Artem Vakhitov have mastered boxing in kickboxing.
I see kickboxing as 50% kicking and 50% punching . Do both and you will be a amazing striker 🥊
Great video right?
Do you see any benefit for MT/Kickboxers to spar with boxers?
Great question
Think every kickboxer has already done boxing 🥊 anyway and sparred boxers,me personally trained 6 martial arts but I started in boxing,problem with boxing to Muay Thai or karate fighting at a close distance get hit a lot,head movement vital,but in Muay Thai do head movement guaranteed be knocked out quick with a knee or shin to the chin,totally different martial arts !!!,
Yes, spar them with boxing rules and ask them to spar with roughly kickboxing rules
@@jamesmiles1328 I do occasionally spar with boxers, but there's a different culture there. A lot of them go for knockout head shots, which forces you to use a lot of head movement and drop your head lower. I'm wondering if it's better to just work your punches with other kickboxers/thais.
@@tramonp well the simple fact is boxers are always going to be better with there hands that’s there thing,kickboxers are kickers that combine there hands,say problem is once your a kickboxer never be accepted in a boxing gym anyway because there old school strict coaches only want you to fight there way,say massive difference is head movement boxers are great at it,kickboxers just can’t do it specially Thai,as you can get away with it here and there,but eventually get worked out and they will time you for a knee or kick your be knocked out cold if it lands,perfect example dc vs jon Jones 2,dc keeped ducking he’s head same way Jones timed it smashed hes face in,
I thought both Boxing and Kickboxing use Muay thai elements hahaha
It's depend of the Fighter for example Mike Bernardo could be a Pro Boxer but Francisco filho doesn’t have a good Boxing, Every Kickboxer it's Different.
To be honest I still find the boxing 1 2 uncomfortable
the Only Nak Muay with one of the best Boxing fundamentals is the GOAT of Muay Thai, Samart Payakaroon. His style was the perfect fusion between Boxing and Muay Thai.
But if you asked , do Muay Thai fighters in general, have boxing fundamentals, as good as Boxer's?
Unfortunately, No. It's quite uncommon to see Muay Thai fighters using boxing footwork in their matches. I have never seen any Muay Thai fighter who has footwork as good as Lomachenko
Short answer, no.
From what I know it would be hard and possibly detrimental to have boxing fundamentals if your competing in Muay Thai as you would get knocked out
Summary: Mix and match it up well.
lol
Title says Muay Thai/kickboxer vs boxing fundamentals, yet video only shows and talks about kickboxing vs boxing... the video is technically good but please dont lie about the content to generate more viewers, it's such a dirty trick.
No the title says someone different read that again
The answer is no, they don't. They are stiff.
Boxing pure doesn’t work in Kickboxing
Stiff?? 😂
No. I’m a boxing purist, never fought, but have pwned most pro muaythai/kickboxers i’ve sparred with (hands only)
Lol you may know boxing, but you don't know kickboxing, much worse, muaythai. Kick boxing has the same stance as boxing, while muaythai has a more square foot stance, with front toes pointing at the opponent. Several muaythai fighters have been successful boxers winning world titles. Please search for Khaosai galaxy, and Samart Payakaroon.