Disaster! Boeing Starliner in big trouble Leaked and returned astronauts
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- Disaster! Boeing Starliner in big trouble Leaked and returned astronauts
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0:00-0:39: Intro
0:40-4:22: Starliner big trouble
4:23-6:14: ISS problem
6:14-9:50: What is the solution
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Disaster! Boeing Starliner in big trouble Leaked and returned astronauts
While the Starship launch has been the hottest topic for the past week due to its resounding success, in space, someone is crying.
Oh my! Boeing's cursed Starliner is in big trouble once again, as teams have discovered another helium leak in the spacecraft module, bringing the total number of leaks to five.
How will Boeing and Nasa solve this problem?
How bad are they for NASA’s astronauts?
Can Dragon save the crew?
Let’s find out on today’s episode of Alpha Tech:
Disaster! Boeing Starliner in big trouble Leaked and returned astronauts
After many years of delays and technical issues, Boeing's Starliner finally reached the International Space Station with NASA astronauts on board last week.
However, the exact timing for its undocking and return of the two-person crew to the surface is still unclear.
Teams have discovered an astonishing five different helium leaks so far, each representing yet another thorn in the spacecraft's already cursed development.
Disaster! Boeing Starliner in big trouble Leaked and returned astronauts
In a statement on June 10, NASA and Boeing revealed that spacecraft teams were evaluating the potential impacts of five small leaks in the service module's helium manifolds on the remainder of the mission. This was the first mention of there being five leaks; previously, NASA had only acknowledged four leaks during a briefing shortly after the spacecraft’s June 6 docking with the International Space Station (ISS).
Josh Finch, a NASA spokesperson, clarified in a June 11 statement that the fifth leak was detected around the time of the post-docking briefing. “The leak is considerably smaller than the others and has been recorded at 1.7 psi [pounds per square inch] per minute,” he explained.
Initially, NASA was aware of one leak during Starliner’s June 5 launch, which had been detected after a scrubbed launch attempt on May 6. At that time, NASA and Boeing officials believed it was an isolated issue, likely caused by a defect in a seal.
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If CrewDragon had half these issues everyone would be calling for termination of the project. But because Boeing Starliner is NASA's longtime bed-partner, we're stuck with this horrible spacecraft!
The funny thing is, Dragon did likely have similar problems. But they had them before the Crew Dragon was ready. They had actual data from a LOT of cargo flights.
Safety first!
It was a gamble to test Starliner with professional astronauts on board. Maybe it would have been better to send a couple investors, board members or top Boeing administrators instead. At least the issues would then become serious rather then bets on a gambling table in Las Vegas.
For a 1st test It should have been a cargo mission with nobody onboard.
The best thing Nasa could do at this point is cancel Boeings contract, eject the Boeing capsule into deep space and bring home the crew on a SpaceX capsule!
Nasa = Boeing = white house. all marriaged together.
Yeah ... monopolies have never hurt government procurement. Given how hard the pentagon goes to avoid too few dominant companies in the defense sector, don't count on it.
You can also see it in Boeing's airplanes. This company no longer stands for first-class developed products but for bungling and incompetence.
It's just sad to see what this company has become.
I think its time to ask for a refund from Boeing
Leave it to NASA to support Boeing, cost overruns and delays when there is a proven better option.
luckily the contract boeing got is more or less fixed so any cost overruns are on boeing
@@osse8634 They will recoup their loss on other contracts.
@@osse8634 Wow. You know Boeing knows their way around this right. Boeing contracts ULA (Boeing). They get NASA to pay for things on the backside. Do you really think Boeing stays in the space program if it isn’t supremely profitable? When you have NASA supporting you, you own a gold mine. No, Boeing is not losing a dime if they cannot make up with it in dollars!
This is about more options, not better options.
Remember the Apollo series needed triple redundancy and no common components.
@@brucebaxter6923 Except we are not talking about the family driver. In space, we need better options. If you believe Boeing is a better option in any way, I am all ears (but will believe you work for Boeing).
After costing the taxpayer billions, the Boeing board will give themselves a bonus for failing once again.
Boeing needs to just stop everything and come up with a plan to overhaul the entire company. SpaceX has pulled the curtain back on Boeing's government contract grift.
NASA should have never allowed cost plus contracts. Those allowed Boeing to underbid everyone else and then bill back everything to the govt. Force them to bid the actual cost of the contract so it’s competitive to all.
Its all about the Money and Chest Beating EGOs and the MONEY everything else be dammed.
There really isn't any real way around cost-plus. Fixed-cost contract work when you know what you're building but this sort of thing has too many pieces that get modified along the way to even approximate the cost. The way around a fixed cost contract makes it worse than a cost-plus. All a fixed cost contractor has to do is wait for spec change and tack all of the cost overruns on it.
@@kwilliams2239 It was fixed price this time, with Boeing retaining the craft after it is buolt, and getting more money with each launch. The problem is that Boeing was still thinking cost plus, thinking NASA would bail them out. They thought the deal would change for them. It did not.
@@vapoet "Fixed" is never _fixed_. Too many congress critters, too many lobbyists, and too many in NASA, and congress, who want a cushy job in Boeing when they retire. If the government has to buy a half-billion hammers and a billion toilet seats, it will.
Obviously, Boeing has become a second or third class Aerospace provider along with their planes.
Complete waste of my tax dollars
It doesn't look good, but believe me, there's much worse waste of your tax dollars than this.
Two launch providers? Ok, ready two Crew Dragons. Problem solved. 😎
If they think that x PSI/Minute is a valid measurement unit then let's all pray for the astronauts.
its only a problem when they mix bar and psi incorrectly.
@@cbaesemanai It's immaterial whether PSI or Bar. Pressure per unit time does not make any sense.
The engineers know the tank's volume and temperature - they can easily determine how much He is left. But they don't care about that - they care whether they can pressurize the fuel tanks for the in-flight engines. There's no pumps on the He lines so they're limited by the pressure in the He tank.
That's why pressure/time units make sense. That, the current pressure, and the minimum pressure required to pressurize the engines for safe operations gives you a timeline. (Of course it's a little more complex since they'll need to perform multiple burns. They could account for that - but what if the acceleration causes the leaks to get worse? It's not hard to imagine a scenario where the crew is stranded in space.)
Backup thought: require EVERY astronaut going up to ISS for every non-SpaceX flight should be required to have a SpaceX suit so they can be rescued if needed. I think that would make everyone feel safer.
$5.2 billion, and it still leaks and thrusters keep failing. Not looking too good for Boeing is it. I'll bet that SpaceX are prepping Crew Dragon for the rescue mission right now. At least the only thing that leaks on Crew Dragon is the astronauts.
Go fever.
I wonder how many employment promises to NASA leaders were given by Boeing. I used to be a Boeing supporter but their actions in the last decade or so have just been horrendous. The beginning of the end was when they passed over Alan Mulally for the CEO position. He came up through the engineering ranks instead of the being just a bean counter.
poor welding...moredead whistle blowers
Dragon is going to have to bring them home. Star liner is a disaster and may not be able to fly home safely.
Totally unacceptable for a company the size of Boeing!!
It happened EXACTLY because they got too big and think they are invincible. Tragic!!
Well it was built by Boeing. It is not about quality or safety. It's all about profit above any other consideration. Boeing would swap metal for plastic to save a single penny at the cost of the crews life. After all the almighty dollar is what shareholders care about. Human life is simply an after thought or a nice thing but not at the cost of profit.
That’s because BOEING stands for Bits Of Engine In Neighbours Gardens.
The way things are going, Starliner's next stop will be the Smithsonian.
Or Ripley's Believe it or not
@@barrywitt1661 city dump
*This is what happens when engineers are chosen using criteria that have nothing to do with their abilities.*
There may be many reasons why Boeing has began performing so poorly, the one main reason is Corporate Attitude. This must change before the company can once again be productive and reliable. My view is that it is past time to for NASA to drop Boeing from their list of preferred contractors and to remove them from further involvement in the ISS program and the competition to replace them. Thus allowing us to move forward in space exploration.
It might be your view, but it is politically unrealistic! Boeing has its talons, well embedded into NASA and the government, which is why it is behaving the way it is! We have allowed corporate greed to overtake our national interests! Unrestrained capitalism has brought this onto us and Boeing is but a single example of this! What saves us for the time being, is that we are so much further ahead of the competition in anything! But even that at some point will run out if we don't take control back!
Clearly I write this as someone outside looking in, but to me Boeing has not been held accountable to NASA or the American people for this and the growing mountain of other fiascos. Boeing's issues don't start and end with their space programs. The company has become ever more dysfunctional in every aspect of business and it starts with their leadership or lack there of, right down to the people doing the work. Until someone holds them accountable and stops handing out participation medals the problems will continue. Furthermore Boeing lacks vision, creativity and out of the box thinking. They are stuck leaning on past designs afraid to blaze new trails and perhaps this is justified given the state of affairs.
Correct, the F.A.A and Boeing are complicite in things concerning aircraft stuff and no seeming oversight on this, also what the hell has happened to NASA
I like "hold them accountable and stop handing out participation medals". Besides Starliner they always had lots of gov contracts. They used to have the forward thinking and creativity, used to. Even this Starliner, when the drawings and images were first appearing years ago, I found it too easily confused with the NASA Orion. As a passive observer the image shot on a quick glance makes the two craft look the same.
It be cheaper to dump it Into the sun and get Elon to build one.
If it's Boeing I ain't going
Boeing needs a major reorganization!
Boeing has been putting profits over quality for a number of years. Many people today that fly are making sure they are not scheduled to be on a Boeing made plane.
"probably just an issue with a faulty seal"...................Oh like the faulty seal on Columbia?
Probably a leaky door, nothing to worry about. Is Boeing building any submersibles I should avoid?
In theory, I can understand the rationale for not depending on a sole source for missions to the ISS. The actual reality is very different though - there is just no benefit to be gained from continuing the Boeing Starliner program.
The current SpaceX version, Falcon 9 Block 5, has flown 289 missions, all successfully, zero failures, including Crew Dragons. A Falcon 9 launch costs around $62M, a Crew Dragon $140M. There have been 13 crewed and 10 cargo launches to the ISS plus 1 orbital mission. $65 million per crew seat.
The Boeing Starliner has flown to the ISS once, currently docked there with helium leaks and thruster problems. There are no more Atlas V unallocated for future launches and the Vulcan Centaur is not yet man-rated. A Vulcan Centaur launch is expected to be $110M to $120M, exclusive of the capsule. It could possible launch on a Falcon 9, but then you are back to single source again. $90 million per crew seat.
Vulcan Centaur has 14 launches planned over the next 2 years, vs Falcon with 148 planned this year alone
All this to spite the success that Space X has accomplished. Most of these Elon Musk haters probably drive Tesla's.
With decades of forensic failure analysis engineering experience, I am shocked at NASA’s and Boeing’s unacceptable program mismanagement, piss poor engineering, total quality control and quality assurance failures, unacceptable safety risks along with massive cost overruns and total lack of accountability of both organizations to the tax payers.
NASA’s leadership needs replacing from outside of NASA’s and Boeing’s dysfunctional organizational culture.
Please pray for StarLiner crews safe return and suggest halting future StarLiner launches as the risk to crew and SpaceStation clearly too great with the endless StarLiner quality, engineering and program management failures.
Enough is enough.
The only way to get them safely back is with SpaceX. That Boeing heap is a ticking time-bomb!
@@PercyPruneMHDOIFandBars 💯Agree. With 5 out of 28 critical thrusters failing, apparently 18%, plus other issues, the risk assessment teams are likely not sleeping well.
Given the StarLiners quality control issues, I would have never launched after the first thruster fail/leak was detected before the launch.
Unacceptable management and engineering team decisions.
I have a REALLY bad feeling about this. NASA still has Go-Fever and unless they bring Starliner back unmanned, (the only sensible option in my opinion) to analyse the problem and fix it, I worry we'll get a reenactment of Columbia's re-entry. It's a risk not worth taking!
There are two PROVEN alternatives, both of which will bring the astronauts home safely. If it's Boeing, I ain't going!
This is a complete misrepresentation of the situation. Starliner is an aerodynamically stable craft. After the retros determine the proper angle to reenter the atmosphere, and these rockets already flawlessly powered Starliner into orbit. They can be trusted to deorbit her flawlessly as well.
Even if the RCS system completely failed and NASA shut it off, Starliner would orient it self heat shield first as soon as it encounters aerodynamic drag. Accuracy of landing point would suffer, but astronauts would be in no danger.
But that won't happen. RCS problems are confined to one doghouse of four. Only two are needed for full roll control, which is how they fly Starship to a perfectly on target landing. They'll be safe.
Catastrophizong is entirely uncalled for. That being said, I completely agree that it's time to kick Starliner to the curb and give the job to Sierra Space's Dream Chaser.
A leak happening on any craft designed to hold humans should not happen.. Why haven't we been shown what pipe or component is the cause.. 😊
I was impressed that the astronauts reached the ISS safely given Boeing's recent track record. I would not be surprised if SpaceX is called upon to rescue the Starliner.
The company's work ethics is not acceptable whether aeroplane or rocket.
I think the most important thing to realise at this point is that you can’t believe a bloody word Boeing says, personally if I were onboard the ISS and had to get back on Starliner I would definitely tell NASA to take a long walk off a short pier.
ScrubLiner finally made it to space and became StarLeaker
I'm waiting for Space X to rescue Boeing. That will be the end of Boeing's space program.
Boeing should concentrate on bringing its aircraft business under control. Not on space.
Boeing sure do waste a bunch a money on starliner.
Yep, money and time are wasted
@@alphatech4966
NSA seems to waste allot of money on Boeing. SpaceX is a better company I think. Elon would never put anyone on a leaking capsule.
@@stephensfarms7165gievn cybertruck roll out & qc issues with other cars, he has to not let atleast astronauts die
@@arnabbiswasalsodeepAll vehicles have their issues at roll out but the news media hypes any Tesla issues. Around 97% are taken carry off through software update and hardware issues, Tesla has mobile service where they come to your location to do the service.😊
The DEI toxic culture wastes the money and causes the troubles.
Many years ago an OLD PILOT once said to me: "T'is far better to be on the ground ,wishing you were in the air; than to be in the air, WISHING you were on the ground!"
It all depends on HOW you reach the ground.
Do they have on board…
FLEX-SEAL TAPE ?
I would opt to return on the SpaceX and send the damaged Boeing back without anyone on board.
Fire the contractor responsible. Low bid contracts my a$$.
$659 ash tray listed in pentagon tool book, get aome vasoline and bend over AMERICAN tax payers
This is sad. My grandfather flew B-17 and B-29 and my father flew B52s. Boeing used to make good stuff.
The B-17 program was almost canceled by Congress because of all the development problems it had. Starliner is doing far better after only three flights than the B-17.
This was a test flight. For flight testing. It's how problems get found and solved.
@@marcmcreynolds2827 The B-17 was a leap forward, back in the day.
It's competitors were the largely unknown Douglas DB-1/B-18 and ungainly Martin 146 - both were complete duds
A manned capsule on a rocket was done 60 years ago ...
Stupid Error. Did nobody test this?
SpaceX can rescue the Boeing mission
Look on the positive side - at least they remembered to put in the bolts for the cabin door.
Any loose bolts ?
I guess Boeing will have to delete a few more employees after this.
They will kill the crew before they admit everyone has screwed up.
They did that to flight with 7 crews onboard, twice. What is 2?
Don't forget Apollo 1!
@@PercyPruneMHDOIFandBars Challenger. Frozen O-Rings? Nah, light 'em up!
That's a bold ass statement.
@@bozhijak Not really. That's SOP for NASA. Everything is good, until it's not.
Did you catch the "tighten bolts" to try to eliminate a helium leak? Helium is notoriously hard to contain. A tightening bolts isn't going to do it, unless it wasn't assembled properly. What else is FUBAR?
It’s DEFINITELY going to be GROUNDED after this and an investigation will begin.
I don't think Boeing can be relied upon to produce a safe spacecraft at this point. The fact that Boeing is a politically powerful defense contractor makes me feel even less confident of the safety of the astronauts involved. It makes me feel that Boeing will be given the benefit of the doubt when it does not deserve it, and that safety calls will be made based on politics rather than the best interests of the astronauts.
Boing pilots: "Eeeh, can we get a ride back on Dragon?"
Brought to you by the same company that produced the 737 MAX death.
The latest story on Spacenews is the same story that was there yesterday: Th fifth leak is smaller than the other ones, and the other ones gave Starliner a flight time of 70 hours, ten times LONGER than the trip back to Earth. There is STILL no talk of having the astronauts return aboard dragon.
Nasa is too stubborn
@@alphatech4966 Or they don't see it as the mission-ending disaster the SpaceX fans think/hope it is because they are actual engineers who know what they are doing.
Does Boeing have to kill someone before they'll admit that Starliner is bad engineering.
I think will risk their lives rather than face embarrassment by using Dragon to return.
@@TeenerTim Ya, I've seen it before. Morton Thiokol management overrode the engineers concerns about launching STS-51-L one January morning. One minute 13 seconds after launch the Space Shuttle Challenger broke apart. The cold temperature that morning shrank an O-Ring on the right Solid Rocket Booster which caused a flame that then burned a hole in the external fuel tank causing it to explode, killing seven astronauts.
Took Boeing and the FAA two crashes to ground the 727 Maxs - there best selling aircraft - not selling anymore! The shortcuts, poor design, hidden software from pilots with no training on the new planes. I won't fly Southwest in California on the Max. I fly Virgin on their nice Airbus. Now, Dreamliner has problems.
Government contracting practice is out of date.
Well at least the doors haven't blown off... Yet...
boeing isn't any different than almost all other modern corporations. their hiring and sub-contractual decisions were made by executives hired, not for their competence or merit, but for expediency, cost, and political considerations (aka blackrock syndrome). "unscheduled" executive decisions are now made either by entrenched and inapplicable dogma or by uninformed fiat made in lieu of knowledge and experience. boeing is also making sourcing decisions that would never have passed engineering or contractual oversight forty years ago. remember that what we are seeing from boeing with respect to nasa projects is their very best effort. imagine the care and skill used to create less-important, less-public projects like commercial aircraft...
sounds like NASA should go get salvage 1 from the Andy Griffen space show from 40 years ago
It would be better to send a Dragon with two pilots for the astronauts , and land the Starliner automatically .
There are various levels of engineering competence and experience at Boeing, and Im sure at other companies. The problem is that the technical experts are often siloed away and are not allowed to review project designs for potential flaws at PDR, CDR, etc. They may have these reviews but not include the real experts, but rather the B or C Team of reviewers who do not deep dive to the nuts and bolts level of engineering. This is often because of overwork of the A-team experts due to priorities such as putting out brush fires. Management decisions to outsource engineering to a cheaper subcontractor, further degrade integration quality. This helium seal leakage incident indicates that fundamental design knowledge was not passed down to the Starliner Team. This should never have happened!
Boeing needs to work on its planes, and get them right, before its spacecraft can be trusted......
"helium is used in spacecraft propulsion system to enable thruster firings **without causing combustion or toxicity**."
Excuse me? It's not a simplified explanation if it's simple and wrong. The thrusters on the spacecraft are pressure fed, and helium is used to provide that pressure to push the fuel through the thrusters. The fuel going through the thrusters either decomposes on a catalyst bed which often produces toxic compounds, or is is combined with a similarly pressurized oxidizer to combust, the results of which are also toxic.
All you really needed to say here was that the helium is used to enable thruster firings, and less helium means fewer thruster firings.
Like so many things in this country, things are breaking down. IMHO this is more systemic than we realize, things happen when you don't strive to be the best anymore!
Boeing is heavy on managers and light on technology. Time to cut bate and move on.
That’s right!
If i were an astronaut I would opt for Dragon thanks
NASA: "The [latest] leak is considerably smaller than the others'. This is hardly reassuring, implying that the previous four leaks are 'considerably larger' than the most recent. Why not say, if true, that none of the leaks poses a significant problem?
Boeing has lost their way, so IMO, forget them and their production capabilities and products for now.
Yep, but Boeing got a not so secret weapon, Woke DEI.
GD.. how far the MIGHTY have fallen! the kings of aviation, have now become the CLOWN PRINCES of FAILURE!!
As I was telling always, by the time other companies and countries success in sending their first rocket SpaceX will colonize the whole multi verse
Givern Boeing's reputation with airliners, you wouldn't catch me in one of their spacecraft.
They’re playing Russian roulette with peoples lives. Just like challenger.
C’mon
Don’t put astronauts in danger
@@alphatech4966 They have no problem putting hundreds or thousands of airline passengers at risk. Why worry about a couple of astronauts.
And Colombia.
And Apollo 1.
After the Boeing 737 Max airplane crashes, and the death of 2 whistleblowers about Boeing's safety and engineering , I would be very worried getting into a Boeing Space Capsule.
They removed and fixed all the wiring... due to fire risk. I wouldn't worry. Maybe, Boeing can start making batteries for GM and Ford after they go bankrupt. Their Maxs are no longer selling!
With past coverups and misinformation from NASA. It's hard to believe anything they say.
NASA is hiding something
@@alphatech4966 Boeing is hiding something, even more obviously.
How much $$$ has the gov. wasted on this P.O.S. ??
Huge difference between Boeing and SpaceX. SpaceX designs rockets that work, Boeing engineers it to death. What ever happened to the Apollo spacecraft? It worked and wasn’t engineered to death. A few upgrades, and they would have had something that worked. Yet it seems that everything Being does is much like reinventing the wheel.
SpaceX has had issues too but they expected some and planned for them, doing needed changes and upgrades along the way building on prior work. Boeing built something totally new at high cost designed to use left over rockets that ruled out any long term use to spread development cost over. Was delivered 7 years late with SpaceX picking up required contract loads Boeing had already been paid for. The Boeing mini shuttle (that is yet to fly once) was contracted for before ISS was ever put up to be a primary 7 man lifeboat for the station that never was delivered but required by Congress to approve funding to build the station. The old shuttle fleet was still in use then and it was to be a way to transfer people to and from space (7 with little cargo) or to rescue people from the station or a damaged shuttle. NASA when Boeing failed to deliver the mini shuttle at all contracted with Russia to use one of their craft as the "Lifeboat" that is still docked. After the Shuttle fleet was shut down the replacement shuttle contract was canceled started while Clinton was still in office. I watched the old online viewing of the new big shuttles and one was near complete with two others framed out when it got shut down. They were diamond shaped shuttles (much like those shown on Babylon 5). The unfinished craft were to use Aerospike Engines and body included the wing area to contain internal fuel tanks. Cargo bay was equal to the old shuttles . Aside from the engine change it wrapped the whole shuttle package into one single piece instead of dropping tanks or boosters. I would have added a solid rocket booster option to allow heavier payload or to break orbit. Boeing's biggest problem is trying to reuse leftover parts and costing more than building from scratch. Look at some of the rockets using repurposed main shuttle tanks. Many of the valve issues are old valves from the shuttle era that have degraded even unused from sitting on a shelf for 10 to 20 years.
@@charlesmaurer6214 - Actually the Boeing Mini Shuttle has flown 5+ times - th-cam.com/video/5AxEQ_w6sJc/w-d-xo.html
This is what happens when bureaucrats replace engineers in decision making. A failed Apollo do over.
The new ride share
Leave with Boeing and return with Space X
You couldn’t pay me enough to fly on ANYTHING with the name “Boeing” on it!
You want to bet on that?
Why did Being get about double the $ for their version than SpaceX's version? Also Why aren't the space suit connections the same so either capsule can be used for all people? If I was going to ride one of these, there is no doubt which I'd vote for. A company that has landed over 100 reusable rockets on a barge at sea or one that just throws them away during each launch? How far behind has Boeing gotten?
spacex built dragon, start to finish 4 years! boeing and starliner 8 years and still don't work right
Doesn't give me a good feeling on any Boeing product.
Call Boeing's bluff. Send up Dragon to bring the astronauts back, then have Starliner return automated.
Theres lifes on the line here and leaks shouldnt be at all makes me nervous to get on a plane they build
BTW for anyone that remembers the 2016 SpaceX Falcon 9 incident, where a helium tank failure led to the explosion of the rocket.
But SpaceX had proven Dragon
Fixed and next launched with upgrade ............ how many humans on board?
That kind of risk is built into Space X, development plan.
Remember Space X was suppose to be a cheap (comparably) back-up plan for the Big Prime Contractor.
Just what a traveler what’s to here: we’ve got seven leaks, but not concerned even at magnitudes of that loss. SNAFU.
Boeing's demise began with Harry Stonecifer. It is what happens when a Jack Welch bean counter style of upper management is put into place. Harry wrecked the company I once worked at (Sundstrand, now called Collens Aerospace) which is now only a part of the holding company called United Technologies. Too many bean counters and not enough engineers running things as once was the case.
100% spot on. Remove the smart people and get this nonsense.
Boeing should lose it's contract. Build more Dragon capsules.
Do they actually have a further contract? This is a test, not paid for by NASA and I know that a lot of Boeing's originally assigned flights have gone to SpaceX.
so you guys spend twice as much for a star liner lauch and get 5 times more leaks for your money.
It would be funny to see Dragon pick up the 2 astronauts back to Earth.
Count the number of bolts left in the box....
No way they should send crew back in this piece of junk!! Send it back with waste disposal. Send Dragon to bring crew back.
in safety and QA and QC and such there is a thing called FMEA.Failure Mode Error Analysis. NASA and the navy created 6sigma in the early 60s which is a part of reliability engineering.. Everything NASA does is documented and I''m surprised if there isn't a FM EA spreadsheet on everything from component level up to top assembly. Being how this is a basic capsule I'm surprised at the delays
Failure Mode (or Modes) and Effects Analysis.
Boeing's been out of the capsule business for a long time, so in many ways they're starting from scratch. Even the station elements were designed a long time ago.
Most of the design engineers cant read and understand English.
Seems Boeing have out lived their usefulness as SAFE providers for aircraft and spacecraft. I'm wondering if their historical dominance has resulted in engineering complacency.
If Boeing's vehicle fails to get the astronauts back safely they are finished in space.
Nobody will give them a penny to build anything space related ,, no matter how much NASA back them up. 😂✌
oh God no obviously you haven't been paying attention this will be the excuse they use to get six more billion dollars hell maybe a trillion
NASA should terminate the Boeing contract and just go with SpaceX. Congress needs to have a serious review of what NASA is doing and what they are spending our tax money on, but Congress is too incompetent to do this. SpaceX is making Boeing & NASA look like bumbling idiots.
The whole idea was to have redundancy so that if one vehicle is grounded there's still a way to get to/from ISS.
If it's Boing i'm not going
If NASA objects to a Dragon rescue because of astronaut unfamiliarity that would be a false flag because, as I understand it, Dragon can operate autonomously.
If I was an astronaut stuck in the ISS with a broke Starliner, I’d hitch a ride with crew dragon any day.
Given it is blessed with DEI, I'm extremely impressed that it actually made it to orbit still intact.
Affirmative action strikes again
I did not know that McDonnel Douglas was woke.
@@catsupchutney This is not done by Boeing?
I would refuse to pilot it back to earth and then hitch a ride back down on Space X ! At least I would make it back !!!