Dont forget on rottenburg you can highfive glitch into the tank barrier and shoot a rocket at your feet while stuck to make it so the game always thinks you are flying with the airstrike
@@TokyoDrift456 But the biggest downside of this strat is convincing the engi and potentially your entire team to let you hog the dispencer behind the fence and not behind the front rock. So that means your team will be playing behind the fence most of the time, making you their focus fire...and Soldier with max upgrades can't tank for long.
Sniper is really fucking powerful in mvm if you can aim well. Like for real running five snipers is actually a meta strategy... Like seriously I've never seen an entire wave disappear before I played that one match in coal Town with 5 snipers all running the hitman's heatmaker. That day was both glorious and absolutely terrifying.
Who knew repeatedly tapping mouse 1 and Sniffing glue worked so well in mvm. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that the weird, niche, robot scrapping simulator would have the most overcomplicated and confusing weapon on it's top spot.
meantreads do have atleast 1 niche use where it allows soldier to stay grounded against knockback enemies (FaN scouts, that one knockback soldier boss in mannhatten, airblasts, etc) its more of a neat utility that you can use on specific waves so its not that bad.
don’t forget that it gives you 200% extra turning control, which sounds like nothing but it’s absolutely ridiculous and you can strafe harder than a mf
Just jump onto a tank with about 20hp left. With the buff banner, you become one of the best tank buster class, even comparable to Sniper's Cleaner carbine + bushwacka combo. You deal consistent damage against the tank, while also buff your own team with the banner
@@meatloaf9716 why remember stuff and buying ammo canteen, when you can just get below 20hp, jump onto the tank, then hold M1 for big big number, comparable to a sniper with the bushwacka and cleaner carbine, while also bufffing your whole team? Its more efficient either way, so please stop
@@meatloaf9716 come on, why did you have to be mean? I have my own opinion about my method of playing MvM, and im just sharing it with you, hoping to get a helpful conversation instead of this shit
@@45.chuminh81 You won't need to remember ammo pack locations or buy ammo canteens if your Engineer isn't asleep. Part of the reason Bushwacka + CC is quite good is because Sniper doesn't quite have many other options for tank DPS, but Soldier does.
@@Squarry It's literally just a reskin of the rocket launcher, except it fires from the middle instead of from the sides, which barely matters except from close range.
You forgot to mention one thing with the equalizer, tank busting. Like seriously, if you get yourself down to low health, and run out of ammo on your primary, the equalizer can do shit-loads of damage on those damn tanks.
I’ll say the equalizer still has a niche If you max out swing speed, get some buff banner duration and you can do some insane damage to a tank at low health
but after tank is destroyed, soldier becomes worse demoknight and his rockets do shit dmg, its especially redundant with a pyro and damage scout in the team. dont put money into melee.
The equalizer does have another small niche along with the Uber thing; it’s very solid at tank shredding if you’re using the cowmangler and your med has kritz. Not the best niche, I wouldn’t bump it up at all, but it is another use
The Equalizer is a real good tank buster with any primary besides the rocket jumper. Just lower your health (and don’t die obviously), melee swing speed upgrade then just pop a crit canteen or buff banner, medic isn’t even really needed
“Air strike has a barrage of weakness’s” ‘You need to get 5 kills with it’ - on a high damage aoe class, you can get this within the first few seconds of the round. ‘You need to rocket jump to use it’ - something that you might be doing anyway, and that costs you next to no health if you buy blast resistance ‘You need to equip the base jumper’ - a minor trade off considering it’s power ‘It has a reduced blast radius’ - rocket specialist ‘It has less damage’ - damage upgrade ‘You need to reload the whole clip’ - equivalent to saying the kritzkrieg is bad because you need to build Uber, the Scottish resistance is bad because you need to set up traps, and the mad milk is bad because of its cool-down. Also, reload speed upgrade. This should not be on the same tier as the cow mangler, whose only upside is not needing to pick up ammo.
agree, not to mention, shooting 16 rockets full on crits and damage upgrade can shread ANYTHING in the game, I mean, if it wasn't for the crits canteens that can only be stored to 3 maximum, this gun would dominate tanks with it's full damage
Yea I use Cow Mangler and still think Air Strike would be better with this reasoning. However, the last two reasons you can kinda say the same thing for the Cow Mangler 5000.
Blackbox should be in A-Tier, it's just like the regular rocket launcher but with 1 less rocket (something that only takes 400 credits to mitigate) and the upside of insane self-sustainability, the healing from the blackbox stacks with the amount of enemies the rocket deals damage to, meaning that proper crowd control makes you an absolute tank.
i personally use the airstrike and buff banner together, being able to just fly across the high grounds and just rain hell from the sky on a group of robots or a giant is extremely fun, plus the tank/giant damage is just plain ridiculous the extra rockets on kill thing can also supplement the clip size upgrades in early waves
Should I use Brass Beast? DAMAGE IS KING IN MVM, IF IT DOES MORE DAMAGE NOTHING ELSE MATTERS Should I use Direct Hit? It deals more damage. BUH HU, MA SPLASH DAMAGE. HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH 150 SCOUTS? It is Giants and Tanks that end rounds. If you can't handle large weak groups, you have other problems than weapon choice.
a big issue with the direct hit is it doesnt do more damage, it only saves 400 credits in exchange for AoE the trade off isnt always not worth it, but someone else on your team needs to deal with the small crowds, and they might have to spend more time to do it compared to stock soldier
Here's how I feel about the Bison. "If it's stupid and it works, it's not stupid." The Bison takes hold of this saying and *RUNS* with it. It's got a reputation for being arguably the worst weapon in casual, but with upgrades in MVM, it's surprisingly good
Tbh I think when you use the buff banner in conjunction with the air strike it puts it in B-Tier. The base jumper is kind of useless when you are able to launch yourself high enough to consume all of your rockets anyways and if you’re near a dispenser or medic then you should relatively be fine.
The final stretch of Ghost Town is where the back up absolutely shines. All the robots/zombies are crit boosted on top of 100% base damage upgrade. The extra damage is enough to overwhelm full resistance upgrades even on heavy.
3:56 what I found out from a random tour, (the one with 3 tanks at the end) is that if your whole team goes righteous bison and fully upgrades it and buys crits, it absolute demolishes the 3 tanks if the whole team concentrates their fire on hitting all of them!
The righteous bison is actually one of if not the best tank busting weapon in the game, it’s cheap to upgrade and if you get behind a tank you can just do massive amounts of damage (even better if you have a crit canteen or a kritz med). You can just shred a tank while the rest of your team focuses on killing bots and it works.
to make the battalion better it could perhaps get a upgrade that increases tank damage while the buff is active for the people wondering where my idea for this seemingly out of nowhere upgrade comes from, the item set the battalion's backup came in is called "tank buster"
Cow Mangler is actually a straight upgrade to Stock on expert. Because there are no robot engineers, the lower damage vs buildings doesn't matter, so it's just stock with infinite ammo.
@@DJBlackNGold You don't need crits most of the time even. You can beat expert without using crit canteens at all for instance, they help, but aren't necessary.
If you got a really good medic that gives you a lot of crits, using the air strike with ammo canteen is fantastic for tank shredding but that is only useful on wave 666, still try it out.
Potentially useful fact: if you equip the zatoichi on both soldier and demo, switch to demo and get upgrades, those upgrades carry over to soldier e.g you can get crits on kill for soldier *Note:* this does not work with stock reskins sadly
The Half Zatoichi can actually get Crit on kill and Damage upgrades if you buy them on Demoman and just use it on Soldier, making the Zatoichi able to farm crits on Soldier, I think that deserves a B tier, at least.
the battalion’s, like you said, can be a life-saver when the bomb nears the hatch and when you are dying too frequently. and honestly, probably the best banner in wave 666.
Airstrike you need like 1 or 2 attack speed buffs, then ignore clip. The main reason to use it is it lets you never get clip buffs and often times it's easy enough to get and keep 4 kills. You don't need base jumper so long you don't buff clip past base and get one or two attack speed due to a slight delay from jump to first air shot. It is not a good wave 1-2 weapon and has to have upgrades to make it worth using how ever last wave, it's toss up because it's better then beggers in the mid waves but last depending on the map it can end up being worse. It's also safer then beggers as well as easier to use.
Many sollys weapons are good either in the early, mid or late. B's Back up is a 1-3ish weapon before people have good res and medic has enough healing to save people who are doing something stupid. It fights for conch in the mid waves with conch 100% taking late. Buff banner is really it's own thing because when it speeds up waves, it's not an "My time is bad and keeps dying" sorta banner.
Know what'd be cool? A shockwave stomp ability for the Mantreads that acts like Explosive Headshot. Rocket Jump to a place, land on/melee kill a bot, and boom, this American boot just kicked the robots' asses back to Gray Mann! Just add a damage boost upgrade and maybe Health on Kill on top of the Super Stomp, and bam, you've got yourself a solid weapon.
Honestly, the bison is way better than people realize. Sure, while the rocket launcher(and especially the begger's) still does more damage on average, the bison's damage is nothing to scoff at, thanks to it's projectile penetration and the fact it can hit a target multiple times. Like Weezy mentioned in the video, hitting multiple small bots and giants at once is very useful. The best thing about the bison though is it's surprisingly deadly tank busting potential. With max upgrades, this thing can match the stock flamethrower in doing damage to the tank, and that's not even counting crits. and like Weezy also mentioned in the vid, the bison is very cheap to upgrade, so you basically have the stock flamethrower as a secondary, with projectile penetration and multi hitting, on top of having a powerful rocket launcher. While the banners are still the kings of Soldier's secondaries, the bison is definitely worth giving a shot
In Nightmare, it is even better, as you can practically get almost every Airstrike upgrade before the start of the wave, making you essentially a father of all rockets.
I feel like you could easily get way with running the air strike with a banner. the increased fire speed persists for a few shots after you land, and with aforementioned other means to mitigate self damage/heal it back I see no reason to worry about the self damage from taking the falls either. having a potentially shorter burst isn't a big deal especially if for that burst you and your teammates have mini-crits.
The battalion's has one big thing going for it: while crit resistances do a lot for damage reduction the backup actually reduces knockback too, unlike resistances. Really helpfull at times. You can also argue that a team with a batalion's soldier can afford to pay less for resistances and thus spend more on damage. Probably real good if you don't have much money in the first place.
My tip for soldiers in mvm: Buff banner engineer to boost sentry damage, and also, here’s my soldier weapon combos: mangler bison whip, and the other one is direct hit buff banner/backup and equalizer
I don't know why this video was recommended to me now. But I appreciate it. I've missed this game so much and my computer is so old and so slow that I can barely play on it.
1)100% pick. Best rocket launcher in the whole MvM, 2)Meh, 3)Meh, 4) Ultimate meh, 5)Ultimate trolldier, 6) Unless you're an idiot, don't use it, 7)BOOYAH. But no it's bad, 8)Not even newbies pick that, 9)Situational, 10)Fast Uber always, 11)Never seen in-game, 12)Nah, 13) It's good if you can aim that is, 14)Check 12, 15)No Medic or 3-4 Soldiers, 16)Only crap against robo Engineers, 17) Don't know, 18)S. Fucking S. You don't understand the full capacity, 19)What to say, 20)I don't trust it, 21) Either that or backup. Not exception, 22)Why is it even here. Also take health back on hit? 23)Aim is bad, nothing else. The rest is good.
As Soldier Main 7 years in TF2 , i agree with you with tier list i use Strange Fistivized Australium Rocket Laucher Strange Festivized Buff Banner Strange Escape plan as my main in any game mode 😍😍
Yeah, I doubt that Trolldier (Rocket Jumper + Market Gardener), despite being at least somewhat viable in regular casual servers, can keep up with the waves of hordes of robots of MvM.
i'd love to see the base jumper get upgrades that help it combo with the air strike (and other rocket launchers too i guess..) something like "+1 clip size on kill" or "+10% firing speed while blast jumping" maybe an upgrade to increase the mid air control to make it genuinly useful for avoiding attacks too
I agree that the backup is super situational, but i'd be lying if I said it didn't feel good to be the team's defensive anchor when they're struggling with crit-laden waves. i just got through broken parts wave 6 after like 3 retries on an inexperienced team, we beat it pretty handily after i swapped off the buff banner and equipped the battalion's backup.
My reasons to use the stock launcher: It gets it's job done well. My reasons to use the black box: "Haha factory new mannana peeled painted black box with killstreaks and renamed to be a banana joke go brrrrr"
Honestly, I usually use a sign for my melee as a robot because F4, but this is a great tierlist. I often deal with bad engineers, so the only one i disagree with on this list is the placement with Cow Mangler. I think its upsides are good enough to warrant A Tier imo.
The equalizer is actually the better tank busting tool than the beggars, if you use your rocket launcher of choice to damage yourself, this can do insane damage without having to reload
That's only on early waves. rockets do high dmg without needing to risk yourself. don't put money into melee just for tanks as you suddenly become a waste of a player slot for anothing non tank related.
Me as a full on autistic Beggars Bazooka user for years was SO READY to get fucking mental if you would rate THE BEST SOLDIER WEAPON anything lower than absolute S Tier so good job nice to see some recognition.
I met a guy in MVM who had a strange pro killstreak beggars named "Now I am become death". The madman had slapped a robot kill counter on it and had over *800K robots killed* with the thing.
the whip i gotta say needs to trade places with the escape plan, from what ive seen, your constantly blowing conch banners so the whip becomes obsolete, where as with the escape plan, your constantly gettting your ass handed to you and running for health, this weapon gets that done faster while stacking with your banner, just sayn
After watching this I do have one thing to input. I get the Cow Mangler isn't the best weapon to use in MvM, I even agree stock is just better, but the fact that it has perfect synergy with the Buff Banner cannot be ignored. Still, I like this list, coming from an aspiring MvM player.
I will say though, Battalion's Backup is a godsend on early waves of Wave 666. Sure it's an obscure game mode within an obscure game mode, but sometimes you just wanna play a 100 times harder version of MVM for fun
airstrike works well with buff banner and conch you can do these mini burst jumps where you fire 8 rockets then reload while landing to do it again conch for health and buff banner for more dmg
Black box has to be A because it still gets +2 rockets per clip size upgrade and since it's a flat increase the more clip size upgrades you have the less significant the missing rocket downside is. In mid to late rounds you'll have 7 rockets loaded instead of 8 and in return you will never need to rely on health on kill or medics.
Gotta say, my go-to loadout for Soldier in MvM is CM5K, Buff Banner, Disciplinary Action. Since the Mangler can only get mini crits anyways, might as well share those mini crits with the team and get uber canteens for me to use in a pinch. If we don't have a medic, then I swap to Concheror so the team has *some* kind of healing. Plus, the CM5K's charge shot *does* stun sentries on hit(last I checked, anyway) so you can buy some time for your team.
@@SamuelTrademarked i did. i don't want higher damage, i want consistent shot placement to get the most out of Rocket Specialist's slowdown effect on direct hits.
@@DeezIsSus69 with all the damage and critics being sent it gets to the point where even resistances wont save you. But the buff banner keeps you alive ten folds the amount of time. Its just super strong. And buff banner shouldn’t be needed as your team will already be turning out shitloads of damage and the conch isn’t quite so strong in wave 666
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Dont forget on rottenburg you can highfive glitch into the tank barrier and shoot a rocket at your feet while stuck to make it so the game always thinks you are flying with the airstrike
Saved my life
Basically allowing Soldier to become a glorified Level 4 Sentry. There was a video someone did on that.
@@billybobjoe1335 share it, i wanna see it
@@TokyoDrift456 But the biggest downside of this strat is convincing the engi and potentially your entire team to let you hog the dispencer behind the fence and not behind the front rock.
So that means your team will be playing behind the fence most of the time, making you their focus fire...and Soldier with max upgrades can't tank for long.
Yeah but who the fuck wants to rely on a crutch glitch?
despite rocket jumper deal 0 damage, it still able to stun robots :troll:
No way, it can stun them?!
You stun them in confusion
Thats... actually amazing
Same reason as you getting burnt when rocket jumping with a rocket jumper
Bro i played mvm yesterday, and someone used rocket jumpet and was market gardening robot
Fun little fact, I beat all of two cities as engineer, while the other five where HUNTSMAN snipers
Sniper is really fucking powerful in mvm if you can aim well. Like for real running five snipers is actually a meta strategy... Like seriously I've never seen an entire wave disappear before I played that one match in coal Town with 5 snipers all running the hitman's heatmaker. That day was both glorious and absolutely terrifying.
shame on you for not joining in New Zealeander passion
@@bioemiliano I wanted to but they said they needed me in the back for emergencies
@ze baguette from france Seriously. A good sniper will tear shit up.
@@zebaguettefromfrance1287
aiming is not hard in mvm considering robots make predicatable moves ALL the time
Who knew repeatedly tapping mouse 1 and Sniffing glue worked so well in mvm. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that the weird, niche, robot scrapping simulator would have the most overcomplicated and confusing weapon on it's top spot.
Don't forget the part where you jump off the air molecues and hit an invisible Spy that you _totally_ were aiming for
@@davidhong1934
"Yeah I totally meant to do that (calculated)"
- Soundsmith 2020
I was just memeing mvm, then found out the beggars was op
meantreads do have atleast 1 niche use where it allows soldier to stay grounded against knockback enemies (FaN scouts, that one knockback soldier boss in mannhatten, airblasts, etc) its more of a neat utility that you can use on specific waves so its not that bad.
I actually had no idea about this. It's probably still too niche to make it out of D tier but good to know nonetheless, thanks for telling me.
@@WeezyTF2 No problem!
@@WeezyTF2 No idea about this? When you listed the stats you showed the -75% reduction in push force taken
don’t forget that it gives you 200% extra turning control, which sounds like nothing but it’s absolutely ridiculous and you can strafe harder than a mf
@@vertipop Also important for strafing out of heavy fire
FSoaS made me realize how good the Equalizer + Buff Banner was on tanks. Doing essentially 500+ dps is insane, so long as nobody touches you.
Just jump onto a tank with about 20hp left. With the buff banner, you become one of the best tank buster class, even comparable to Sniper's Cleaner carbine + bushwacka combo. You deal consistent damage against the tank, while also buff your own team with the banner
@@meatloaf9716 you would have to reload the rocket launcher, and it also have limited ammo. Using the equalizer would be a lot more effective
@@meatloaf9716 why remember stuff and buying ammo canteen, when you can just get below 20hp, jump onto the tank, then hold M1 for big big number, comparable to a sniper with the bushwacka and cleaner carbine, while also bufffing your whole team?
Its more efficient either way, so please stop
@@meatloaf9716 come on, why did you have to be mean? I have my own opinion about my method of playing MvM, and im just sharing it with you, hoping to get a helpful conversation instead of this shit
@@45.chuminh81 You won't need to remember ammo pack locations or buy ammo canteens if your Engineer isn't asleep.
Part of the reason Bushwacka + CC is quite good is because Sniper doesn't quite have many other options for tank DPS, but Soldier does.
0:25 - Rocket Jumper
0:45 - Shovel
1:00 - Market Gardener
1:15 - Pain train
1:35 - Manthread
1:55 - Gunboats
2:20 - All shotguns (Stock, Reserve shooter, Panic attack)
2:45 - Liberty launcher
3:10 - Half zatoichi
3:30 - Equalizer
3:55 - Righteous bison
4:25 - B.A.S.E Jumper
4:40 - Direct Hit
5:20 - Air Strike
6:05 - Black Box
6:40 - Cow Mangler 5000
7:45 - Escape plan
8:15 - Battalion's Backup
8:50 - Stock Rocket Launcher
9:30 - Disciplinary action
10:10 - Buff banner
10:55 - Concheror
11:45 - Beggar's bazooka
Where is the original ?
@@Squarry It's literally just a reskin of the rocket launcher, except it fires from the middle instead of from the sides, which barely matters except from close range.
Pin?
You forgot to mention one thing with the equalizer, tank busting. Like seriously, if you get yourself down to low health, and run out of ammo on your primary, the equalizer can do shit-loads of damage on those damn tanks.
Not sure why he didn’t add that but talked about sniper messing up the tanks when the equalizer deals more damage with capped atk speed than sniper.
I’ll say the equalizer still has a niche
If you max out swing speed, get some buff banner duration and you can do some insane damage to a tank at low health
I mean at that point just get a phlog pyro to solo tanks
@@abhaybhatt4286 phlog but manlier
but after tank is destroyed, soldier becomes worse demoknight and his rockets do shit dmg, its especially redundant with a pyro and damage scout in the team. dont put money into melee.
@@carolthepyro899 that’s why it’s a niche
phlog but cool
The equalizer does have another small niche along with the Uber thing; it’s very solid at tank shredding if you’re using the cowmangler and your med has kritz. Not the best niche, I wouldn’t bump it up at all, but it is another use
The Equalizer is a real good tank buster with any primary besides the rocket jumper. Just lower your health (and don’t die obviously), melee swing speed upgrade then just pop a crit canteen or buff banner, medic isn’t even really needed
Theres one thing you forgot to mention about the buff banner. If you are in range of an engineer, it actually allows the sentry to deal mini-crits :P
“Air strike has a barrage of weakness’s”
‘You need to get 5 kills with it’
- on a high damage aoe class, you can get this within the first few seconds of the round.
‘You need to rocket jump to use it’
- something that you might be doing anyway, and that costs you next to no health if you buy blast resistance
‘You need to equip the base jumper’
- a minor trade off considering it’s power
‘It has a reduced blast radius’
- rocket specialist
‘It has less damage’
- damage upgrade
‘You need to reload the whole clip’
- equivalent to saying the kritzkrieg is bad because you need to build Uber, the Scottish resistance is bad because you need to set up traps, and the mad milk is bad because of its cool-down. Also, reload speed upgrade.
This should not be on the same tier as the cow mangler, whose only upside is not needing to pick up ammo.
Yeah.. Air strike is waaaay better than beggar, lol.
agree, not to mention, shooting 16 rockets full on crits and damage upgrade can shread ANYTHING in the game, I mean, if it wasn't for the crits canteens that can only be stored to 3 maximum, this gun would dominate tanks with it's full damage
hey the right click isnt that bad on the mangler ,specially with reload speed upgrades
but yeah Air strike definetly not bad
@@Ultra289 it’s not that bad, but it’s not that good either. If you just clip dump all your shots you’ll deal more damage faster.
Yea I use Cow Mangler and still think Air Strike would be better with this reasoning. However, the last two reasons you can kinda say the same thing for the Cow Mangler 5000.
The base jumper air strike crit/ammo refill canteen thing is a amazing tank shredder
Blackbox should be in A-Tier, it's just like the regular rocket launcher but with 1 less rocket (something that only takes 400 credits to mitigate) and the upside of insane self-sustainability, the healing from the blackbox stacks with the amount of enemies the rocket deals damage to, meaning that proper crowd control makes you an absolute tank.
This is the first video I seen in your channel and I love it!
4:04 RIPPING that charging handle
i personally use the airstrike and buff banner together, being able to just fly across the high grounds and just rain hell from the sky on a group of robots or a giant is extremely fun, plus the tank/giant damage is just plain ridiculous
the extra rockets on kill thing can also supplement the clip size upgrades in early waves
"The Bison is TF2's biggest meme weapon"
Pan: "am i a joke to you?"
What about the fish?
Should I use Brass Beast? DAMAGE IS KING IN MVM, IF IT DOES MORE DAMAGE NOTHING ELSE MATTERS
Should I use Direct Hit? It deals more damage. BUH HU, MA SPLASH DAMAGE. HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH 150 SCOUTS?
It is Giants and Tanks that end rounds. If you can't handle large weak groups, you have other problems than weapon choice.
a big issue with the direct hit is it doesnt do more damage, it only saves 400 credits in exchange for AoE
the trade off isnt always not worth it, but someone else on your team needs to deal with the small crowds, and they might have to spend more time to do it compared to stock soldier
Here's how I feel about the Bison.
"If it's stupid and it works, it's not stupid." The Bison takes hold of this saying and *RUNS* with it. It's got a reputation for being arguably the worst weapon in casual, but with upgrades in MVM, it's surprisingly good
Tbh I think when you use the buff banner in conjunction with the air strike it puts it in B-Tier. The base jumper is kind of useless when you are able to launch yourself high enough to consume all of your rockets anyways and if you’re near a dispenser or medic then you should relatively be fine.
The final stretch of Ghost Town is where the back up absolutely shines. All the robots/zombies are crit boosted on top of 100% base damage upgrade. The extra damage is enough to overwhelm full resistance upgrades even on heavy.
3:56 what I found out from a random tour, (the one with 3 tanks at the end) is that if your whole team goes righteous bison and fully upgrades it and buys crits, it absolute demolishes the 3 tanks if the whole team concentrates their fire on hitting all of them!
As someone who plays TF2 almost exclusively for only MVM I really like these videos, hope there's going to be one about Sniper soon
Nice!! Keep up the great work
Appreciate it :)
The righteous bison is actually one of if not the best tank busting weapon in the game, it’s cheap to upgrade and if you get behind a tank you can just do massive amounts of damage (even better if you have a crit canteen or a kritz med). You can just shred a tank while the rest of your team focuses on killing bots and it works.
Does it multi-hit the tank or something?
Yes, but the Equalizer works very good at Tank Damage, with the Buff Banner, you and a Pyro can destroy tanks in seconds, Equalizer is at least B tier
0:42 Soundsmit be like: YAY!!!
to make the battalion better it could perhaps get a upgrade that increases tank damage while the buff is active
for the people wondering where my idea for this seemingly out of nowhere upgrade comes from, the item set the battalion's backup came in is called "tank buster"
Cow Mangler is actually a straight upgrade to Stock on expert.
Because there are no robot engineers, the lower damage vs buildings doesn't matter, so it's just stock with infinite ammo.
You still can't crit boost it tho, thats a big downside. Still better than stock if your engineer is bad
Yeah but not being able to crit boost can be a real bummer.
@@DJBlackNGold You don't need crits most of the time even.
You can beat expert without using crit canteens at all for instance, they help, but aren't necessary.
F Tier 0:24
D Tier 0:44
C Tier 3:10
B Tier 5:20
A Tier 7:41
S Tier 9:27
Thank you
If you got a really good medic that gives you a lot of crits, using the air strike with ammo canteen is fantastic for tank shredding but that is only useful on wave 666, still try it out.
Potentially useful fact: if you equip the zatoichi on both soldier and demo, switch to demo and get upgrades, those upgrades carry over to soldier e.g you can get crits on kill for soldier
*Note:* this does not work with stock reskins sadly
Loved this video, clicked on accident, didnt intend to finish, but stayed after hearing the sense of humor and personality. Great video!
You could even say it subverted your expectations
2:16
You can make them even more useless by wearing them in Degroot Keep.
You can't use a Rocket Launcher in Degroot last time I checked.
I deleted my beggars bazooka💀💀💀💀
The Half Zatoichi can actually get Crit on kill and Damage upgrades if you buy them on Demoman and just use it on Soldier, making the Zatoichi able to farm crits on Soldier, I think that deserves a B tier, at least.
the battalion’s, like you said, can be a life-saver when the bomb nears the hatch and when you are dying too frequently. and honestly, probably the best banner in wave 666.
The equalise is good for tank shredding
fun fact, on my first ever mission on mvm, I got a beggars bazooka. I thought it was bad so I didn’t use it but now I realized it’s really good
I use the stock rocket launcher, buff, banner and disciplinary action. I'm happy to hear I've been using a pretty OK. Load out this whole time.
Airstrike you need like 1 or 2 attack speed buffs, then ignore clip. The main reason to use it is it lets you never get clip buffs and often times it's easy enough to get and keep 4 kills. You don't need base jumper so long you don't buff clip past base and get one or two attack speed due to a slight delay from jump to first air shot.
It is not a good wave 1-2 weapon and has to have upgrades to make it worth using how ever last wave, it's toss up because it's better then beggers in the mid waves but last depending on the map it can end up being worse. It's also safer then beggers as well as easier to use.
Many sollys weapons are good either in the early, mid or late. B's Back up is a 1-3ish weapon before people have good res and medic has enough healing to save people who are doing something stupid. It fights for conch in the mid waves with conch 100% taking late. Buff banner is really it's own thing because when it speeds up waves, it's not an "My time is bad and keeps dying" sorta banner.
Know what'd be cool? A shockwave stomp ability for the Mantreads that acts like Explosive Headshot.
Rocket Jump to a place, land on/melee kill a bot, and boom, this American boot just kicked the robots' asses back to Gray Mann! Just add a damage boost upgrade and maybe Health on Kill on top of the Super Stomp, and bam, you've got yourself a solid weapon.
Honestly, the bison is way better than people realize. Sure, while the rocket launcher(and especially the begger's) still does more damage on average, the bison's damage is nothing to scoff at, thanks to it's projectile penetration and the fact it can hit a target multiple times. Like Weezy mentioned in the video, hitting multiple small bots and giants at once is very useful. The best thing about the bison though is it's surprisingly deadly tank busting potential. With max upgrades, this thing can match the stock flamethrower in doing damage to the tank, and that's not even counting crits. and like Weezy also mentioned in the vid, the bison is very cheap to upgrade, so you basically have the stock flamethrower as a secondary, with projectile penetration and multi hitting, on top of having a powerful rocket launcher. While the banners are still the kings of Soldier's secondaries, the bison is definitely worth giving a shot
Air Strike Base Jumper is actually meta in Expert Mode, since Soldier is more of a specialist Tank Buster there.
In Nightmare, it is even better, as you can practically get almost every Airstrike upgrade before the start of the wave, making you essentially a father of all rockets.
I feel like you could easily get way with running the air strike with a banner. the increased fire speed persists for a few shots after you land, and with aforementioned other means to mitigate self damage/heal it back I see no reason to worry about the self damage from taking the falls either. having a potentially shorter burst isn't a big deal especially if for that burst you and your teammates have mini-crits.
why the hell is the paintrain, a downgrade to stock, listed after stock, and thus is ranked higher.
I find these videos informative. Great stuff.
The battalion's has one big thing going for it: while crit resistances do a lot for damage reduction the backup actually reduces knockback too, unlike resistances. Really helpfull at times.
You can also argue that a team with a batalion's soldier can afford to pay less for resistances and thus spend more on damage. Probably real good if you don't have much money in the first place.
My tip for soldiers in mvm: Buff banner engineer to boost sentry damage, and also, here’s my soldier weapon combos: mangler bison whip, and the other one is direct hit buff banner/backup and equalizer
Also, I have used beggars bazooka on randomized servers. It’s more annoying than the other guns
I really appreciate the contra music in the background
Him: I have some crayons to sell you, they make a pretty good snack
Me: *marine detected*
I don't know why this video was recommended to me now. But I appreciate it. I've missed this game so much and my computer is so old and so slow that I can barely play on it.
Honestly with a higher clip black box is pretty good in my opinion but good video ima go watch snipers i need to get gud
1)100% pick. Best rocket launcher in the whole MvM, 2)Meh, 3)Meh, 4) Ultimate meh, 5)Ultimate trolldier, 6) Unless you're an idiot, don't use it, 7)BOOYAH. But no it's bad, 8)Not even newbies pick that, 9)Situational, 10)Fast Uber always, 11)Never seen in-game, 12)Nah, 13) It's good if you can aim that is, 14)Check 12, 15)No Medic or 3-4 Soldiers, 16)Only crap against robo Engineers, 17) Don't know, 18)S. Fucking S. You don't understand the full capacity, 19)What to say, 20)I don't trust it, 21) Either that or backup. Not exception, 22)Why is it even here. Also take health back on hit? 23)Aim is bad, nothing else. The rest is good.
bro really got 8bit America! playing in the bg
I just realized:
Buff Banner - Offensive banner (more dps)
Battalion's Backup - Defensive banner (more resistance)
Concheror - Supportive banner (more survivability and speed boost)
I used to love using Beggar Bazooka back then. It's my favourite weapons in tf2
And yet the beggar's taunt exploit hasn't even fix
you can also use the equalizer for tank busting since you can hit yourself with rockets and do a bunch of damage
As Soldier Main 7 years in TF2 , i agree with you with tier list i use
Strange Fistivized Australium Rocket Laucher
Strange Festivized Buff Banner
Strange Escape plan as my main in any game mode 😍😍
Yeah, I doubt that Trolldier (Rocket Jumper + Market Gardener), despite being at least somewhat viable in regular casual servers, can keep up with the waves of hordes of robots of MvM.
i'd love to see the base jumper get upgrades that help it combo with the air strike (and other rocket launchers too i guess..)
something like "+1 clip size on kill" or "+10% firing speed while blast jumping"
maybe an upgrade to increase the mid air control to make it genuinly useful for avoiding attacks too
Your music choice is great
BlackBox is the king in the early wave. It saves tons of money from **heal when kill**, and Soldier, needs money, a lot!
You should do a series on which optimal upgrades to buy in order for 2 cities.
lovin' the 8 bit team america music
I agree that the backup is super situational, but i'd be lying if I said it didn't feel good to be the team's defensive anchor when they're struggling with crit-laden waves. i just got through broken parts wave 6 after like 3 retries on an inexperienced team, we beat it pretty handily after i swapped off the buff banner and equipped the battalion's backup.
1:22 The Third Degree Is A Direct Upgrade In MVM As Well, Heck, The Third Degree Is A Direct Upgrade In All Of Vanilla TF2
Actually, the equalizer is B tier since it can be a good tank busting tool but thats kind of it
I like the retro team America theme
My reasons to use the stock launcher: It gets it's job done well.
My reasons to use the black box: "Haha factory new mannana peeled painted black box with killstreaks and renamed to be a banana joke go brrrrr"
One upside to it being a game abandoned by the devs, you know for sure a 2 year old guide is still just as valid as the day it was made
the bison is a god at tank shredding ngl
the airstrike + base jumper & conch is amazing in ghost town
just fill up the canteen with crits and tanks, no the whole wave shakes in fear
Beggers bazooka is awesome, but i like precision ( yes i main sniper, but also soldier and scout).
Me: "new to the game
Also me:"trashes beggers bazooka"
Honestly, I usually use a sign for my melee as a robot because F4, but this is a great tierlist. I often deal with bad engineers, so the only one i disagree with on this list is the placement with Cow Mangler. I think its upsides are good enough to warrant A Tier imo.
Gunboats are maybe good level 1/2 or if you lack an engie. Also assumes you know how to use rocket jumps for speed which I don't really...
so best for mvm soldier is the disciplinary action, the buff banner/the conch, and the beggars
The equalizer is actually the better tank busting tool than the beggars, if you use your rocket launcher of choice to damage yourself, this can do insane damage without having to reload
That's only on early waves. rockets do high dmg without needing to risk yourself. don't put money into melee just for tanks as you suddenly become a waste of a player slot for anothing non tank related.
Me as a full on autistic Beggars Bazooka user for years was SO READY to get fucking mental if you would rate THE BEST SOLDIER WEAPON anything lower than absolute S Tier so good job nice to see some recognition.
I met a guy in MVM who had a strange pro killstreak beggars named "Now I am become death". The madman had slapped a robot kill counter on it and had over *800K robots killed* with the thing.
Holy thats 80% of metal nassacre on 1 weapon alone
the whip i gotta say needs to trade places with the escape plan, from what ive seen, your constantly blowing conch banners so the whip becomes obsolete, where as with the escape plan, your constantly gettting your ass handed to you and running for health, this weapon gets that done faster while stacking with your banner, just sayn
After watching this I do have one thing to input.
I get the Cow Mangler isn't the best weapon to use in MvM, I even agree stock is just better, but the fact that it has perfect synergy with the Buff Banner cannot be ignored.
Still, I like this list, coming from an aspiring MvM player.
the moment I heard the music for the Half-zatoichi bit, I was like "YO! dat's old school Contra!"
Imagine if the rocket jumper also made the robots fling around in the air if you shoot them with it, further digging it's grave in the mvm community
I use the cowmangler and bison and then spend my left over credits on ammo
I use the beggars+conch in casual already (and regularly do decently). Learning that its totally viable in MvM is good to know.
I will say though, Battalion's Backup is a godsend on early waves of Wave 666. Sure it's an obscure game mode within an obscure game mode, but sometimes you just wanna play a 100 times harder version of MVM for fun
airstrike works well with buff banner and conch you can do these mini burst jumps where you fire 8 rockets then reload while landing to do it again conch for health and buff banner for more dmg
4:04 Step soldier what are you doing~
also, for tanks, if there is a widowmaker engi abd you have the buff banner, USE IT ON HIM he never has to reload, so damage adds up. thanks
I've always used the conch and escape plan combo
Black box has to be A because it still gets +2 rockets per clip size upgrade and since it's a flat increase the more clip size upgrades you have the less significant the missing rocket downside is. In mid to late rounds you'll have 7 rockets loaded instead of 8 and in return you will never need to rely on health on kill or medics.
Gotta say, my go-to loadout for Soldier in MvM is CM5K, Buff Banner, Disciplinary Action. Since the Mangler can only get mini crits anyways, might as well share those mini crits with the team and get uber canteens for me to use in a pinch. If we don't have a medic, then I swap to Concheror so the team has *some* kind of healing. Plus, the CM5K's charge shot *does* stun sentries on hit(last I checked, anyway) so you can buy some time for your team.
beggars does more damage, is cheaper to get to its most optimal state, and has a bottomless clip. consider trying out the beggars bazooka
@@SamuelTrademarked i did. i don't want higher damage, i want consistent shot placement to get the most out of Rocket Specialist's slowdown effect on direct hits.
My favorite weapon from this video the airstrike but you have parachute to become like an air strike
Something to note is that the battalion’s back up is without a doubt the best banner for wave 666
Why?
I always play wave 666 so why
@@DeezIsSus69 with all the damage and critics being sent it gets to the point where even resistances wont save you. But the buff banner keeps you alive ten folds the amount of time. Its just super strong. And buff banner shouldn’t be needed as your team will already be turning out shitloads of damage and the conch isn’t quite so strong in wave 666
also buff banner and equilizer makes you into a tank shredder
nice video and good mvm game scene youtuber
Best soldier loadout: Rocket Jumper, Base Jumper, and the Disciplinary Action.
And take the W.