@@Marblr In OW1 the real killer for Orisa's weapon was her spread along with the dumb pattern of her projectiles. Made it hard to hit far off targets even though it didn't have falloff.
The great thing about Marblr is that in addition to being a great dev with experience from what you can see, he still leaves the bubble of most devs and knows how to explain very clearly each point he is going to explain, without ''internal'' jargon of developer and knows how to communicate with the end user :D by the way, I would love to see an explanation of how the game itself makes it easier for cheaters to appear and how they could mitigate this if the commands were not on the client side and hardware protection
8:52 I have been wondering how they animated Sojourn’s backwards slide to have her legs go behind her without breaking her back. Kinda hard to see exactly in-game, but now I know!
The most surprising part about this video was not just learning that Widowmaker's sniper rifle has falloff, but that S1 Sojourn's minimum railgun damage was _almost twice as high_ as Widow's minimum sniper damage. What the heck were they thinking when they made Sojourn?
8:10 "Baptiste is the only support with damage falloff since he's the only one with a hitscan weapon" *Immediately cuts to the other support with a hitscan weapon USING her hitscan weapon* I love these videos lmao
The funny thing is that Ana most probably does have falloff as well, it's just that her impact damage is 0, but she applies a burn status effect for 70 damage over .6s
@@huntedperson3147 She doesn’t have falloff since like you said, it just applies a burn effect. It does have a heavy bullet drop though so you shouldn’t be doing it from far.
please mark this as partially outdated! orisa's primary fire now has no falloff anymore, and the new character juno has healing fall-off in addition to her damage fall-off.
You’re to Overwatch 2 what shounic is to Team Fortress 2. I don’t even play, but the way you explain the inner workings of different mechanics is utterly captivating. Keep it up!
I’ve noticed something since overwatch 2 actually. For projectile heroes specifically, they don’t shoot from their cameras anymore like they used to, they shoot from their weapon within a very close range and, which then centers to their crosshair shortly after. It’s hard to describe, but it’s especially obvious with Torbjörn’s primary fire, since it has a trail. It shoots from the barrel of his rivet gun and will hit any objects in its path, then once it gets to the center of your screen it goes straight, basically making a turn midair. Just something i thought was interesting.
I can imagine that this is solely the visuals that behave this way. In most games, people shoot from the cameras center, but the shooting trail gets rendered from the weapons barrel towards the point they aim at. This is why if the weapon is behind an object like a wall, you can see how the trail goes through the object. They probably implemented that projectiles visuals quickly go towards where the projectiles hitbox is for visual clarity for enemys who might want to dodge the projectile Edit: Rephrase to make it clearer
I love seeing the natural TH-camr progression in which you slowly start to put more and more of your personality into your fact based videos. Very awesome ❤
This video has greatly helped me understand game making technics, even though I havent started making 3d games (or any where close to doing so), This has greatly opened my mind to how a lot of technics work and I have since made my own damage fall off system on a 2d scale. Thank you! 🙏
@@Harevald his block is a flat 75% dmg reduction, i believe it stays at 75% no matter if you have armor or nano applied, because normally dmg reduction is capped at 50%, there was a bug with doomfist, that lowered his block to 50% if he got nano, because of this rule, but its fixed now
Only found out about you recently. Loving these videos. Even if it's something I already understand. Having it visualised helps a lot with extra understanding.
I know this is over a year old now, but _another_ possible source of the bug could be accidentally swapping the max and min falloff distances. Like you said, the game checks if the shot distance is less than the min, and then sets the damage to max if it is. Well, if the distance _intended_ to be the max is instead used as the min, the game will effectively use the highest damage value for the whole falloff range. It's only once you reach the very end of that range that the effect isn't there anymore, and the damage can fall down to the min again. Hopefully that makes sense, I had an embarrassingly hard time trying to explain that ngl.
Marblr is the Overwatch equivalent to Tf2's Shounic. (Or Shounic is Tf2 equivalent to Ow's Marblr, however you want to look at it.) Both make real nice thumbnails, both have this relaxed voice when talking, both overanalyse certain game features and bugs (and why they happen) and every once in a while making fun video.
Loves these videos, and always love hearing Kirby 64 music! One of my favorite games growing up and hearing the excellent music is a blast from the past.
Great video! As always! I have a suggestion: how "headshots" are calculated for non-standards powers? Like, a few days ago, a Reinhardt "headshot me" with Earthstrike o.O
A small critique on the script for this video. When speaking about the normalized distance between targets you were explaining it correctly, but what was happening on screen actually lined up to be opposite of what you were saying when you were saying it. This could confuse some people and it would be better to switch it or double check the timing when talking about something similar in the future. Super informative though. 👍🏼
Heres 2 ideas id like to see in a video! How does Mai's attack work? Is it a line trace with a particle thats all for show, or is it like Pyro in TF2 where the particles are supposed to be the hitboxes? How does the spawn room collisions work? Like the door has a texture displaying where the door is, but if thats separate to a box collider in spawn, it feels always perfectly aligned. Which would be hard to do since door frames poke out alot in OW and theres no map to my knowledge where you can get the healing properties by smothering a spawn wall on the outside.
That calculation is rather ingeniously designed. It might be "easier" to do something like 21 +(max damage * 1/distance) or solely like that, but youd probably need an if statement so it only takes place after the intended minimum distance. This formula saves a couple lines of code by smushing it all into one equation. Pretty cool!
Many Math libarys already have Linear Interpolation (in short Lerp) implemented as an method/function. It saves time and makes the code more readable to just write it with Lerp. Also, divisions tend to run slower than other arithmetic operations on your CPU. But this is just a small microoptimization that wont impact the game that much Edit: He even stated what I said in the description: "These techniques are not unique to Overwatch, so you can apply these concepts to most other games. Furthermore, these functions are typically not hand-written and are instead abstracted away in math libraries, e.g. Mathf.Lerp() in Unity."
Technically Sigma’s projectiles don’t have falloff, though it’s compensated by their limited range since they explode after traveling a set distance. I think Ramattra was excluded from the damage falloff on his projectiles because they are relatively low damage unless he’s actively pursuing you which usually only happens up close, getting hit by a stray Ramattra shot isn’t as bad as a stray Orisa shot.
Im currently around the school grade where we learn this level of algebra and It's so much more refreshing seeing it used in something I love rather than a sheet of irrelevant paper
fun fact, mei icicles used to have damage falloff, being the only non-tank projectile with falloff also i had no idea tanks had falloff on their projectiles, it seemed like design-wise that was the balance tradeoff for hitscan vs projectiles. hitscan have no travel time so its easy to hit far away but to balance it they do less damage, projectiles are harder to hit at range so they do more
You should do a video talking again about assists but in ow2, does doom now gets assists more often? How does kiriko’s cleanse affects the assist timers, does junkerqueen, rammattra, sojourn or kiriko get any special interactions? And now that orisas supercharger is gone, what heroes no longer have the assist privilege? It would be really intresting
![Killfeed Assists [OUTDATED]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/kkbA2p5AVuw/mqdefault.jpg)
This felt like a math class but I loved every second of it
Are you implying you don’t like math class? -your math teacher in 8th grade
Applied mathematics
It's more programming since the math is really simple
This is what they should do in math class, yes
@@meowcow21 true
Orisa used to not have fall off either. It was only added if OW 2
oh damn. not sure how I missed this. thanks, added to the description.
@@Marblr In OW1 the real killer for Orisa's weapon was her spread along with the dumb pattern of her projectiles. Made it hard to hit far off targets even though it didn't have falloff.
she was the go-to hero when you wanted to shut down turrets and brig
*Technically* Reinhardt’s Firestrike also has no falloff, but I’m not sure we’re counting that
@@kasm7870 his normal weapon doesn't have falloff too xD
The great thing about Marblr is that in addition to being a great dev with experience from what you can see, he still leaves the bubble of most devs and knows how to explain very clearly each point he is going to explain, without ''internal'' jargon of developer and knows how to communicate with the end user :D
by the way, I would love to see an explanation of how the game itself makes it easier for cheaters to appear and how they could mitigate this if the commands were not on the client side and hardware protection
He's a dev?! Of what game(s)!?
@@AhsanEU He's a dev for Marble It Up and used to be the producer for TF2.
@@0osk titanfall 2 of team fortress 2?
@@MarvelousButter OG TF2. I love titanfall but Team Fortress 2 is TF2.
His simplicity should not to be confused with a lack of understanding, he dumbs it down for us
Marblr could post a 10 hour video just reading the source code and I’d still watch it
a great voice can sell a video on its own
@Marblr, You heard 'em, start reading
8:52 I have been wondering how they animated Sojourn’s backwards slide to have her legs go behind her without breaking her back. Kinda hard to see exactly in-game, but now I know!
Pause on the frames when she's about to hit the deck
I mean, she IS pretty robotic.
@@snewp_e2139 And, as rochrich showed, made out of rubber
They could’ve just had her lower torso twist backwards 180 degrees since she’s mostly cybernetic
@@RochRich.Bro, that's elastigirl shit right there.
Now juno came to the picture, she is the first hero with healing fall off
7:43 “Tank heroes, on the other hand, do have projectile range falloff”
Well that aged well
8:19 "There are no healing sources in the entire game that are affected by range-based falloff" did aged well since Juno
the editing here looks really neat, keep it up dude!
The most surprising part about this video was not just learning that Widowmaker's sniper rifle has falloff, but that S1 Sojourn's minimum railgun damage was _almost twice as high_ as Widow's minimum sniper damage.
What the heck were they thinking when they made Sojourn?
Let's nerf gengu since soj is so op! #blizzardlogic
So this proof that soljuorn is broken
They were thinking ‘how can we move more of these s1 battle passes?’
"Baptiste is the only support with a hitscan weapon" - immediately shows Ana
Ana's noscope is a projectile, though. I assume he meant Bap was the only support with range falloff.
@@ArchSchizo yeah, I just thought the irony was funny
8:10 "Baptiste is the only support with damage falloff since he's the only one with a hitscan weapon"
*Immediately cuts to the other support with a hitscan weapon USING her hitscan weapon*
I love these videos lmao
The funny thing is that Ana most probably does have falloff as well, it's just that her impact damage is 0, but she applies a burn status effect for 70 damage over .6s
Ana does not have hitscan at all. In fact the bullet is quite slow.
Edit: I’m half right. It’s hitscan when zoomed in, projectile when not.
@@huntedperson3147 She doesn’t have falloff since like you said, it just applies a burn effect. It does have a heavy bullet drop though so you shouldn’t be doing it from far.
The projectile doesn’t do any damage though, so I don’t think it really matters
The quality of these videos is by far the best on this platform for any content like this. Absolutely love this
please mark this as partially outdated! orisa's primary fire now has no falloff anymore, and the new character juno has healing fall-off in addition to her damage fall-off.
@@WooYewMing This was over a year ago, be fr.
You’re to Overwatch 2 what shounic is to Team Fortress 2. I don’t even play, but the way you explain the inner workings of different mechanics is utterly captivating. Keep it up!
There is something so satisfying about learning information like this. I have like no use for it, but its cool. I love your videos
Ikr!
perfect for my break at work, great content!
I’ve noticed something since overwatch 2 actually. For projectile heroes specifically, they don’t shoot from their cameras anymore like they used to, they shoot from their weapon within a very close range and, which then centers to their crosshair shortly after. It’s hard to describe, but it’s especially obvious with Torbjörn’s primary fire, since it has a trail. It shoots from the barrel of his rivet gun and will hit any objects in its path, then once it gets to the center of your screen it goes straight, basically making a turn midair. Just something i thought was interesting.
I can imagine that this is solely the visuals that behave this way. In most games, people shoot from the cameras center, but the shooting trail gets rendered from the weapons barrel towards the point they aim at. This is why if the weapon is behind an object like a wall, you can see how the trail goes through the object. They probably implemented that projectiles visuals quickly go towards where the projectiles hitbox is for visual clarity for enemys who might want to dodge the projectile
Edit: Rephrase to make it clearer
"there is no healing sources effected by falloff"
*juno enters the chat*
1:00 nah dude you didn't have do us dirty like that 😭😭😭
Math but in a language I as an American can understand: firearms
These videos are so strangely addictive, then again I love learning about weird number calculations, thanks for the vids
Love these videos
the way it calculates the percentage of the minimum and maximum damage to deal is really clever, hats off to whoever came up with it
0:18 then to 5.5 because blizzard hates commitment.
i feel like you could have made a 1 minute video by just saying it was a step function, but then realized your audience is gamers.
To be fair non programmers probably won’t understand step functions anyways
I always find your videos helpful, thank you so much for making me understand something probably won't need it in my life, but thank you!
Youre a really good educator.
Bro you breakdown these concepts so well. You make everything so digestible.
This content is so refreshing and impressive to watch
Just seeing 90% of the comment section being praise is insane, keep it up
Your videos are top-notch. I can't even comprehend how much time and passion is in every second of it.
Ah yes, these are totally calculations I can quickly run in my head before each shot.
Your best video yet 10/10
Top tier content as always!
I love seeing the natural TH-camr progression in which you slowly start to put more and more of your personality into your fact based videos. Very awesome ❤
8:22 This is no longer accurate, due to the introduction of Juno, which is the first here to have healing fall-off.
out with another BANGER
keep it up, dude!
“Baptiste is the only one with a hitscan weapon”
>immediately shows ana scoped shots
😂😂
The insane damage falloff cassidy has is easily my least favorite part of his kit.
Dude, you editing is insane! Good video
This video has greatly helped me understand game making technics, even though I havent started making 3d games (or any where close to doing so), This has greatly opened my mind to how a lot of technics work and I have since made my own damage fall off system on a 2d scale. Thank you! 🙏
The presentation on your videos is always phenomenal.
Hey, Marblr, have you made a video about Armor changes? The one that the damage reduction decreases as the amount of armor decreases
no, but that is a good idea! demonstrating the change visually would be great.
awesome idea dude
@@Marblr Also please check out stacking effects. I know that Ramattra block stacks with armor but I don't know how much
@@Harevald his block is a flat 75% dmg reduction, i believe it stays at 75% no matter if you have armor or nano applied, because normally dmg reduction is capped at 50%, there was a bug with doomfist, that lowered his block to 50% if he got nano, because of this rule, but its fixed now
Every single one of your videos is always so interesting
Wow! This is the best video learn about Lerp! :O
Only found out about you recently. Loving these videos. Even if it's something I already understand. Having it visualised helps a lot with extra understanding.
what a surprise, the damage is calculated exactly how you think it would what a great video
8:33 Widow’s falloff range is no longer accurate with Season 5
please never stop making these kind of videos.
6 5 6 and now they’re like uh yeah 5.5
If all my programming classes were explained that well, I would've actually loved coding
that subtle roast of landing a shot being the hardest part
I know this is over a year old now, but _another_ possible source of the bug could be accidentally swapping the max and min falloff distances.
Like you said, the game checks if the shot distance is less than the min, and then sets the damage to max if it is. Well, if the distance _intended_ to be the max is instead used as the min, the game will effectively use the highest damage value for the whole falloff range. It's only once you reach the very end of that range that the effect isn't there anymore, and the damage can fall down to the min again.
Hopefully that makes sense, I had an embarrassingly hard time trying to explain that ngl.
Your videos editing is so good I would love seeing you explain a wider variety of things
I hope you get the 1 mill play button 1 day, your videos are so good and high quality i love watching them so much
I prefer the linear interpolation algorithm a+(b-a)*t, it’s the most straightforward to me, personally.
easily the most interesting overwatch youtuber
Hey man. Love your videos and editing style. Keep up the good work
I LOVE these deep dives into mechanics
As always, fantastic breakdown. Super interesting stuff.
Very high quality as usual! Great work!
8:20 As of Juno's release, this is no longer the case! :D
This is higher quality production than we deserve for a video game breakdown. You’re great at what you do!
istg shounic and u gave educational video that burns brains but yet felt like a guilty pleasure
love this guy, he just basically tells me which one is the best to play
i love this guy
these videos are so informative and expertly designed
i even understand the tech stuff because of the way it's explained
This really made me sit back and wonder why I was watching this. It's as if this was something I was going to be tested on.
I don’t comment very often, but damn, i’m in love with your editing dude 😍
These videos are absolutely fantastic. Each and every one of them.
Incredibly professional video. I enjoyed it a lot!
Love your videos, also, shoutouts to the Kirby 64 music, it fits so well !
Marblr is the Overwatch equivalent to Tf2's Shounic. (Or Shounic is Tf2 equivalent to Ow's Marblr, however you want to look at it.)
Both make real nice thumbnails, both have this relaxed voice when talking, both overanalyse certain game features and bugs (and why they happen) and every once in a while making fun video.
There were so many opportunities for you to sneak in a “21 can you do sum for me”
Amazing video as always. I love the kirby 64 music so much.
Loves these videos, and always love hearing Kirby 64 music! One of my favorite games growing up and hearing the excellent music is a blast from the past.
i didn't plan on waking up today and doing math. i am still committed to this, i like your funny words mr magic man
I’m glad you posted this because i headshot a pharah with widow to 16 hp was so confused
Great video! As always! I have a suggestion: how "headshots" are calculated for non-standards powers? Like, a few days ago, a Reinhardt "headshot me" with Earthstrike o.O
Now he hit the griddy too... Can't believe it
Top tier math class, I love knowing how the game works even if I can't apply that
Great video. Helpful for my game development
Another banger video. He does it everytime.
Great video as usual!
Overwatch 2 has so many bugs that Marblr will have content forever.
I'm not playing overwatch at all, I just wanted the damage fall off formula and I got it. Perfect.
A small critique on the script for this video. When speaking about the normalized distance between targets you were explaining it correctly, but what was happening on screen actually lined up to be opposite of what you were saying when you were saying it. This could confuse some people and it would be better to switch it or double check the timing when talking about something similar in the future.
Super informative though. 👍🏼
These videos help in game dev so much :D
And now tracer is 5.5 dmg
aged like milk
i feel like i was just tricked into learning maths with this one
"Baptiste is the only support with a hitscan weapon"
Ana would like to have a word with you
Heres 2 ideas id like to see in a video!
How does Mai's attack work? Is it a line trace with a particle thats all for show, or is it like Pyro in TF2 where the particles are supposed to be the hitboxes?
How does the spawn room collisions work? Like the door has a texture displaying where the door is, but if thats separate to a box collider in spawn, it feels always perfectly aligned. Which would be hard to do since door frames poke out alot in OW and theres no map to my knowledge where you can get the healing properties by smothering a spawn wall on the outside.
Conclusion. Nerf Sojourn.
Your content is so amazing!
That calculation is rather ingeniously designed. It might be "easier" to do something like 21 +(max damage * 1/distance) or solely like that, but youd probably need an if statement so it only takes place after the intended minimum distance. This formula saves a couple lines of code by smushing it all into one equation. Pretty cool!
Many Math libarys already have Linear Interpolation (in short Lerp) implemented as an method/function. It saves time and makes the code more readable to just write it with Lerp. Also, divisions tend to run slower than other arithmetic operations on your CPU. But this is just a small microoptimization that wont impact the game that much
Edit: He even stated what I said in the description: "These techniques are not unique to Overwatch, so you can apply these concepts to most other games. Furthermore, these functions are typically not hand-written and are instead abstracted away in math libraries, e.g. Mathf.Lerp() in Unity."
another banger as always
Technically Sigma’s projectiles don’t have falloff, though it’s compensated by their limited range since they explode after traveling a set distance.
I think Ramattra was excluded from the damage falloff on his projectiles because they are relatively low damage unless he’s actively pursuing you which usually only happens up close, getting hit by a stray Ramattra shot isn’t as bad as a stray Orisa shot.
Im currently around the school grade where we learn this level of algebra and It's so much more refreshing seeing it used in something I love rather than a sheet of irrelevant paper
I learned more math here than I did in a whole Algebra 2 class
fun fact, mei icicles used to have damage falloff, being the only non-tank projectile with falloff
also i had no idea tanks had falloff on their projectiles, it seemed like design-wise that was the balance tradeoff for hitscan vs projectiles. hitscan have no travel time so its easy to hit far away but to balance it they do less damage, projectiles are harder to hit at range so they do more
You are such an important part of this game. I wish you were more well supported blizzard or others !
You should do a video talking again about assists but in ow2, does doom now gets assists more often? How does kiriko’s cleanse affects the assist timers, does junkerqueen, rammattra, sojourn or kiriko get any special interactions? And now that orisas supercharger is gone, what heroes no longer have the assist privilege? It would be really intresting