Breath of the Wild: SOLVING the Great Plateau Mystery?
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- After months of youtubers trying to uncover the secrets of the Great Plateau, could we have finally found the answer...?
In this episode, I explain how there is more to the Great Plateau than it seems!
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Special thanks to TheArchnoble for this theory idea and LoruleanHistorian for theorizing with me!
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Thanks for the mention! I hope this theory gets you all hyped up for DLC 2! Perhaps we will uncover some more secrets within Hyrule.
TheArchnoble yeA
The sheikah have made the Divine beasts and the sheikah slate as well the guardians, and yet they still don't have guns
Leehero45 Or Gundams... Very disappointing.
I believe the fog was at the base of the Plateau to prevent more powerful creatures from getting close. The fog disappeared once Link gets the glider because the "spirits" realize he's ready to restart his journey. As for the monsters that are on the Plateau already, they were there when it was "teleported".
TheArchnoble where did this idea of yours even come from
It seems like you just compared the shapes and said that they were swaped with out any substantial proof or motive for the swap
Every few generations, the gorons move entire landscapes of hyrule as a display of power, which is why its never the same.
Is this not canon? I want this to be canon now. Especially since practically every zelda game has a different geography without the necessary time for the geography to move
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT
so the gorons are just like:
*hey lets change the landscape for no fucking reason*
The ultimate power move.
Ur on t somthin
"WE SHOUD TAKE THE ENTIRE LOST WOODS, AND PUSH IT SOMEWHERE ELSE"
Sponge bob reference lol
Sean Coakley That idea... Might just be crazy enough...
TO GET US ATTACKED BY WILDLIFE!!!!
I get the joke 😆
Why is everyone making this spongebob reference in this guy's comment section
Tangerine Tech Not sure if you’re serious, but I’ll explain anyways for anyone who wants to know.
He’s making a reference to the episode where Patrick suggests they push the entire city of Bikini Bottom to avoid the Mexican Bullworm
“Link is in the description”
Description: hyah!
Lmfao
calamity ganon is in the description
Hmmm
Free Link From His Description Prison
It got swapped because the lost woods got lost
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That made me smirk, only a smirk.
@@clevermystic1544 same
A small rock in a corner of botw map: *exist*
The whole zelda community: is that a ocarina of time reference?
I just think they said "okay, so the player starts, wakes up link, steps outside and sees mountains and the castle right on their doorstep" "Well if we swap it with the forest it will be more central and the player would step out to see the castle in the difference, pushing out the scale of the world"
Basically I think they were swapped for gameplay reasons hence why they fit so well
I think they actually confirmed this
In Plankton's voice: Correct!!
Agreed, I don't think much lore thought went into it. It's actually kind of a shame really - as cool as it is to find the master sword in the lost woods, it would actually be even more amazing if it was found in the destroyed remnants of the temple of time. So they could have kept the original locations, and just moved the shrine of resurrection, Then you could have started in the lost woods too and more of it could have been explorable
This could explain the castle lifting in the botw 2 trailer
How?
@@Asfragged well it makes some sense as usually when ancient space that is underground that is messed with would normally cause whatever is built om top of it to fall down and collapse as the foundation is gone, an example is a mansion built on top of unknown abandoned mines one and a high earthquake strikes
But that is the new castle
I subscribed to u
Herobrine777 How do you know it’s the new castle? Also if it’s something to do with the sheikah, they could originally have created the lifting mechanism, which could also have been used to lift the plateau and forest
*watching years later after Nintendo confirmed that they swapped both of those locations during development*
Huh...
They did?
I need more info
Coy Raig they said that they wanted you to have a full view of hyrule at the beginning and if it was in the location of the lost woods wouldn’t be possible
That's awesome! Do you have a link?
Nintendoblackcrisis: “the great plateau and the lost woods both have four shrines”
Champions ballad: *exists*
Nintendoblackcrisis:
What do you mean
Fletcher the dlc adds another 4 shrines to the great plateau
This video came out before the dlc did.
Sphjinx 14 its a joke related to the dlc
@@blizzary9369 Joke doesn't really work if the video came out before the DLC
Really really loved this theory when I first saw it a year ago. But after playing the game, I think the simplest answer is the whole map was retconned, possibly to give veteran fans all too familiar with past maps of Hyrule a sense that exploring Hyrule for the first time by switching things up a little. That or it was a compromise between OoT's location for the Temple of Time and Skyward's Sword's Sealed Temple so they retconned Castle Town's location more south to cement the connection between the two iterations. I imagine canonically we're supposed to believe that Castle Town was always south, close to the entrance to Gerudo Desert, and that kinda makes more sense to have a fortified major city of commerce between Hyrule and the people of the desert. And it's still central enough to be easily accessed by other regions of Hyrule.
The Old Man says the Great Plateau was the birthplace of the kingdom of Hyrule, NOT Hyrule Castle itself. This would imply that this is where the goddess Statue from Skyward Sword descended into the land below allowing it's residence to begin settling the kingdom. This would also explain the Plateau's unnatural shape and placement, as well as it's spiritual significance.
except that the goddess temple is on the north west area of the map in the canyon.
well that temple should be near faron woods as well
I think we've forgotten that's been 10,000 years since the first attack by CG. Any previous historical events that weren't, for whatever reason, recorded became mixed in with legends and fairy tales. It could simply be the previous maps of the regions were mis-mapped.
Squall4Rinoa no. The temple of time is the goddess temple.
Squall4Rinoa nope totally different temple
I think the statement “Now that I’ve proven that these two locations were switched” is a little presumptuous
Yeah, when I heard that, I was like...no more reason to watch this video. Logic doesn't work.
Is it not more likely they swapped locations to hide LINK? To put the hero way up on a plateau and further away from Ganon?
the swap would have been prior to the events of the Great Calamity
but that still makes sense... hide the body of the guy that can come back and kill him
I agree
NintendoBlackCrisis It couldnt be prior to the calamity, because the master sword wasnt sealed away until after the calamity.
I already posted this a little farther up (albeit not as easy to understand) but why is the stone already in front of the great deku tree? why move the entire region when the resting place of the sword is already in the place you need it?
The developers are probably watching this and asking “wtf is this guy talking about”
Probaly true
That's because all theorist just spout bullshit and can't even fathom a simple answer lmao
1:34 Bokoblin look behind you! Oh no he can't hear us he has airpods in!
Jeez
Personally I think it's the foundation of what was once Skyloft. If it rose once, it can presumably rise again and move. It would explain why it looks so unnatural sticking out the ground like that, since it is basically an island on top of more land.
After SS, it likely became the place where OOT's Castle and Town was built, since it was the homeland of the original Hylians. At some point, it was risen again for whatever reason and ended up falling to where it was in BOTW. The Lost Woods of BOTW grew in the hole it left behind.
The Master Sword is put in the forest rather than the Temple of Time, simply because that's where the Sacred Realm entrance still is, and it basically needs to always be put in that spot.
Another interesting theory as well.
And if i may furthermore support your theory, at the end of skyward sword the temple with the statue of hylia sinks down to earth, sealing ganon away. It has also been theorised that the forest temple in extension with the temple from skyloft (that sunk), turned out to be the temple of time, which also explain the time gate in skyward sword. So way more connections there. I'd say its the temple from skyward sword, not that it is a land swap.
Writing this i realised, that a lot of theories say the game takes place in the child timeline (explaining stuff like zoras and ritos at the same time, and the discription of of rock salt in the game AND the upcoming lobstershirt (even tho it probably i just a funny little item)). During the child timeline, hyrule was flooded with water. It might have been a possibility that the water may have pushed the ground down, leaving the great plateau with its "walls". Furthermore that would explain a connection between rito village and their island in windwaer, and the water that is left there now. Oh, and the water surrounding lost woods makes sense as well then.
Sorry for the long reply, half of it just poured outta my mind as i wrote, but to summarize; i agree with you, skyward sword is probs the best reason for all of this :)
Joey Andrew yup, meant adult, not child timeline :)
Actually if you really think about it Breath of the Wild is a convergence of all three timelines and not simply in one of the three timelines. A convergence explains multiple things that are in BotW that should only be in one timeline and not the others.
1) The Lynels are only found in the Fallen Hero timeline because they did not join Ganon until he had defeated the Hero so that points to BotW being in that timeline.
2) During the ritual memory Zelda says "Whether skyward bound, adrift in time, or steeped in the glowing embers of twilight." This points to child era timeline because of the express mention of Twilight which is only found there.
3) The Koroks are the nearly exact same design as the ones from Windwaker which takes place in the Adult era timeline.
These three points along with a variety of other things found throughout the game (the ruins of Lon-Lon Ranch, the fact that the Zora and Rito both exist in BotW when the Rito are supposedly and evolved form of the Zora, and many other things too numerous to list in one post) point solidly to a convergence of all three timelines, possibly due to the sheer power of Calamity Ganon breaking free from his prison. I think when he broke free he merged the timelines inadvertently or perhaps they merged as the universe's own defense mechanism to combat such a supreme evil.
Their is something that has concerned me that I don’t think people considered and that is Calamity Gannon’s existence. Two very important details in this by the way. Calamity Ganon has emerged twice. 10,000 years prior to Breat of the Wilds and in the present time of Breath of the Wilds. The second important piece of information is that Calamity Ganon exists because Ganon broke Demises curse and gave up on resurrection, reverting into a more demonic form rather than being a gerudo like before. The issue arises that because of this this is the end of this timeline. Zelda and Link won’t resurrect anymore and Ganon won’t return except this isn’t entirely true for Ganon because Calamity wasn’t killed. He was banished by the power of Hylia the Goddess of Time. Calamity wasn’t killed he was thrown through time itself. Who knows where or when he was thrown to. For all we know this created a new timeline. For all we know Calamity Ganon went back in time and destroyed some version of Hyrule. This could be a paradox situation in that the banishment created the scenario that made Breath of the Wild. The first rise of Calamity could have been where he was sent.
I've always found the map of BOTW to be much closer to the Link to the Past Map. They've both got Hyrule Castle smack in the middle, Lake Hylia in the South-East, Death Mountain in the North-east and the Lost Woods in the north. Also, I have to disagree with the idea that they've swapped. There is a road leading out of the Great Plateau, approaching Lon Lon Ranch, rather similar to the road in Ocarina of Time. I simply believe that the Great Plateau was just risen up. Interesting theory, though.
I'll take a close look at those maps, thanks for watching!
also consider that hyrule castle after Oot in both timelines except the adult timeline were moved further north (and that classic games didn't had that much landscape thought out for future reference)
It was probably swapped Before ocarina of time, and then risen up after the calamity to protect link in the statis pod. Makes sense why there would be a path going out of the plateau if it was lowered near the ground before the calamity, even if it was swapped.
I'm glad someone else understands that there are multiple maps.
i fineley know what BOTW means!!!!!
"Now that I've proved the land masses were switched.."
You really didn't tho
thank fuck there is someone here who thinks like i do. You can't just say "I've proved" with such insufficient evidence.
I think we can assume 'proved' is interchangeable with 'established nonzero probability' in these videos.
if hes just gonna complain about doing it he just shouldnt do it? it's not like anyone NEEDS him to do this
I dunno the Queen so? just because he spends time on it doesnt mean people have to agree
I dunno the Queen So we should let people spread misinformation without calling them on it?
This theory makes so much sense now that we know a whole lot more about totk. They probably swapped areas by lifting them up in the sky and moving them. I watched this vid like, 3 or 4 years ago and I’m still watching the channel.
this is an interesting theory to look back on. especially considering the breath of the wild 2 trailers basically proving that parts of Hyrule can be lifted up an float.
My main thought for if they swapped is from a purely game-play standpoint. If the great plateau had been north of the castle when you start the game, you're going to get A) fucked over by guardians and pools of malice B) Have an inferno hellscape to one side and C) have a freezing wasteland to the other. It makes no sense for it to have been the starting place of the game.
Yes! That's what I was thinking! There's no other reason really. Gotta have the starting area around the center of the map, not stuck in between "get fucked" zones.
but why then start the game there? there is a shitload oflocations, just dont pickthere
Wendel Bolzan because they probably wanted to create an isolated “tutorial” area and the plateau being raised up from the rest of the areas makes it so you have that exact situation. Plus if I’m not mistaken the Plateau doesn’t have any guardians walking around.
Brittany Nuessler
It does have a black lynel walking around it in master mode
hmmm .. the "why" reasons seems a little weak for moving the entire plateau
Personally, I'd say the real reason would be to keep the Master Sword in the care of the Deku Tree, especially since Calamity Ganon LITERALLY has eyes everywhere each time he awakens.
What if, after the first attack from Ganon after he becomes a spiritual cloud of malice, someone made a wish on the Triforce to change up the landscape of Hyrule? This would confuse Ganon after waking up millennia later, and also ensure that the Master Sword itself stay safe. We know evil can't wield it, but no one ever said it couldn't damage or even destroy it.
Taking this further, let's say Calamity Ganon is actually Ganondorf I. This means that as far as he's aware, the Master Sword is always located in the Temple of Time. This means he'd be able to have 100 Lynels guarding the location of the one sword that repels him if he wanted. He already sent his goons there. Goodbye heroes of legend.
Tarvaax ... hmmm good point, maybe ur right, but i desagree with the wish on the triforce to move the plateau, if using the triforce there should be other wishes more useful. I think the shikah tec did it.
Tarvaax Something I thought that was rather interesting was the amount of decayed guardians around the temple of time. Perhaps Ganon was trying to find the master sword to destroy it. However since the blade repels evil, I always thought that something like that wouldn't be possible.
It could be that Hylia's statue repelled the guardians. Aside from the statue from SS, it's the largest and the temple of time has always been her domain. Also we know that Hylia has real power to throw around like how she cursed the evil statue.
maybe it was moved so that link could rest unharmed and all the enemies were placed there to search for link and end him only problem being that they couldnt find him. Also that forest is known to be cursed right? so wouldnt that be the best place to put it no enemies can get in they get sent right back out and people go in only to find themselves at the entrance.
My only big question is why the Master Sword had to Re-Pick Link he was already decided by the sword to be the hero so why would he have to be picked again.
has the sword been known to cause the hero great amounts of strain, and if not then why now?
Or, more likely, the developers felt that having Link awaken in the Lost Woods next to the Great Deku Tree, with The Lost Woods being where the Great Plateau is currently located, would diminish the feel of making the player feel like they really are all on their lonesome, diminish the idea of using flashbacks to tell the story (which almost seems like an idea brought-up near the end of development and that a lot of the original planned story, additional bosses, and likely dungeons (the Yiga Clan Hideout was a mini-dungeon, and no-one can say that The Forgotten Temple doesn't reek of classic Zelda Dungeon spelunking) were cut due to development taking too long - I expect the announced "Breath of the Wild 2" sequel to dive back into that cut content), and it would be TOO "Ocarina of Time".
I have no doubt that Nintendo wanted Link to awaken and let the player first see Hyrule right where they did on the map: Looking north overlooking Hyrule Field, the destroyed Hyrule Castle just beyond, and Death Mountain in the distant background - much like in the artwork found in the original Zelda manual. Swapping locations of The Lost Woods and The Great Plateau (which would likely have been called "Old Hyrule" or something originally and not on any plateau) was done to immediately show the player that Hyrule was destroyed, you're all alone, monsters are everywhere, and you're screwed.
If Link had awakened in The Lost Woods (where The Great Plateau is now), then the game would've started with the Great Deku Tree giving Link his first mission of completing the first four shrines in order to prove himself once more in order to allow Link to leave (since this Great Deku Tree didn't seem to like Link all that much it makes sense in-game-lore-wise). Then, when Link explores Hyrule, he stumbles upon the Old Man in Old Hyrule (Great Plateau, located where The Lost Woods wound-up), who could give Link a new mission to activate the four shrines of Old Hyrule. This would then unlock a hidden section within the ruins of The Temple of Time where the Master Sword was stashed by Zelda. This would be a nudge-nudge-wink-wink to the mysterious old men in the original Zelda title who gave that Link his various swords while also acknowledging the Master Swords' location in Ocarina of Time.
But, again, the idea of having Link start in The Lost Woods was likely seen as far too Ocarina of Time, so the devs swapped the locations and removed a few references to older games in the process.
Most likely
I know this is old, but my theory; I think they originally intended for the Great Plateau to be where the Korok for is now located, but moved it to the central location for gameplay purposes. It makes sense because of the gameplay structure. Once you get the glider, the game completely frees you and lets you do as you please. It may suggest what to do next as per the story, but it never FORCES you at all. Putting the tutorial area in the center instead of at the top of the map makes it more accessible and allows the player to, quite literally, pick a direction and go on their adventure. It's pretty genious. The tutorial arms you with knowledge and basic gear, then lets you decide where you want to go first.
Good thoughts, but i felt like your theories have the feeling of an “Illuminati confirmed” type theory. I’d appreciate it if you develop your bullet points more and make it abundantly clear as to why these things prove other things.
So now that we've seen botw2 and the rising castle, gotta wonder if that game is gonna have more "landscaping remodeling" explanations and giving a reason why the plateau and Lost Woods moved.
I'm picturing something like the "end of the world" in FF6, where landmasses swift and turn, mountains rise from the land, and canyons tear themselves. Entire continents are reshaped. Obviously I would want something a little less drastic, but an even like that could bring a new air to the world of BotW, and maybe even unearthening old forgotten temples and dungeons.
James Sylar I have a theory that in botw2 The castle will be a divine beast and we will have to appeas it by rebattling calamities Gabon and I think it was moved off the great pleatue because the dlc divine beast was connected to hurdle castle(aka another divine beast) and the 5th beast was there to power the castle.
What if the entire map was just swapped?
This video: Long Tutorials are annoying.
Warframe Players: *Sweating profusely*
Brief and unexplanatory tutorials are annoying?
super late but i recently found and love this channel!!!! you put so much effort into your theories and i really enjoy hearing your take on things.
and i respect someone who uses talus music, it's some of my favourite in the soundtrack haha
Even 3 yrs later this is still so interesting
If you look at the area around the land bridge that connects Hyrule forest to the rest of Hyrule, the rocks that make up the land are very different. Where else is the rocky land that looks like Hyrule forest? Coliseum Ruins, right by The Great Plateau. I’ll be honest I didn’t think much of the theory until I saw that.
"Since I've proven that these places were indeed swapped" You didn't prove anything. Until Nintendo says it's true or not, it's just a fan theory.
He's literally just stating a fact. He's not being ungrateful. He's not being an asshole. That's pretty obvious if you actually spent more than 2 seconds looking at his comment.
@I dunno the Queen Stop being offended by everything snowflake.
One other question I have is "When?"
Very good question. TheArchnoble had an idea that it took place between OoT and TP, but there was no real solid evidence for that. So as for when, it is still unknown. Thanks for watching!
Likely at the height of Hyrule's power; so before the Calamity of 10,000 years ago. Still a mystery of an exact date, but the structures surrounding the plateau are the same style as the Akkala Citadel, and Castle Town of Central Hyrule: which date back to 10,000 years ago. 👍
do you think the swit-- err-- swapping have occurred after the Great Calamity?It would explain the guardian presence on the Great Plateau and few to no guardians in the Lost Woods, practically right next to Hyrule Castle.
A few things come to mind:
Hylia had been almost completely forgotten since the establishment of Hyrule and yet there's a giant statue of her in the Temple of Time.
It's quite possible that Hylia was reincarnated some time after Twilight Princess and before Breath of the Wild. The rediscovery of the Forgotten Temple as well as the Spring of Power, Wisdom and Courage might be related.
My guess is that the Great Plateau was elevated from the ground (and possibly fortified) more than 10,000 years ago to protect both the Shrine of Resurrection and the Great Plateau Resurrection Tower, which activates the other Sheikah tech, possibly with the help of Hylia.
It certainly is no coincidence that devout Sheikah monks with power bestowed by Hylia have been waiting for the hero within the shrines.
But considering that the Sheikah tech on the Great Plateau was created only 10,000+ years ago, this doesn't explain why it was moved in the first place, since the old Castle Town had already been replaced with the new one by the time of TP.
The destruction of OoT's Castle Town and relocation of the Great Plateau and Master Sword are probably entirely unrelated to the events 10,000 years ago.
The Sheikah just reused and refortified old structures.
fonhaljos interesting proposal! I would say that, as far as TP is concerned, the ruins of the Temple of Time seem to be *solely* that: ruins of the ancient Temple and some outbuildings. It doesn't seem to fit the layout, or have any further indication of belonging to, the rest of Hyrule Castle Town to me. Not sure what happened there...
I mean if Hyrule Castle is moving in BotW 2 then why not move a plateau or a forest
My thoughts exactly, buddy! (We were just early to the party) ;)
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The temple of time IS FLOATING MID AIR IN SMASH BROS!!
.... no two zelda maps are the same. There is no reason to believe that there is a lore based cause.
@@claudia-7917 Another theory that I think fits a bit better is that the Great Plateau *is* Hyrule in its entirety... at least from the Ocarina time period. Rotate the Great Plateau ~180 degrees and everything lines up very well with the Ocarina of time map. The Temple of Time, Castle Town, and ruins of Lon Lon Ranch now line up where they should, Mount Hylia would be a now dormant Death Mountain. The River of the Dead would've been Zoras domain, Forest of Spirits lines up with the Kokiri forest, Lake Hylia appears to have dried up a bit leaving a few small ponds and I don't know what the Eastern Abbey would be, but it lines up well with the Gerudo Valley/Desert. Maybe the old Gerudo town? Perhaps the Great Plateau was old Hyrule and the kingdom expanded outward quite significantly over the centuries.
@@Tiana_atr that makes a lot of sense you should comment this or message him on discord or something on this
You would be correct. It's possible they intended to have the tutorial start where Korok forest is now, but later agreed that a central location would be more ideal for gameplay purposes. The game pretty much lets go of the player once you finish the Plateau stuff, so a central location means you can just pick any direction and go explore.
Atrus, but what about the great deku tree? I know it can be replanted as a type of reincarnation for him but when would he be moved and why? ( reason why i said reincarnation is that in botw he said that he overlooked hyrule since time immemorial or something like that.)
@@Tiana_atr Maybe it's both. Maybe the Great Plateau is the original Hyrule map from Ocarina of Time, swapped with what is the Lost Woods and Kokiri Forest in BotW. The rest of the map of Breath of the Wild is then like extensions of the original OoT map. Then, we have everything relating to Death Mountain in the northeast; everything relating to the Gerudo region in the west/southwest; everything relating to the Zoras and Zora's Domain the east/southeast; everything relating to the Lost Woods and Kokiri Forest in the southeast/south-southeast; everything relating to Lake Hylia in the south/south-southwest; and Kakariko Village being located somewhere south of Zora's Domain.
I also wonder...if you're correct, then is the Shrine of Resurrection around approximately where Kakariko Village originally was?
Wonderful job! Thanks for the shout out, much appreciated! ✌
TGL Mudora?
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TGL Mudora wait that’s you! Cool! I know you from discord :)
Another thing to add to this theory (a year later) when watching the memories when link “dies” it’s near kakariko village, so why and how would an injured Zelda take the sword all the way up to the north of hyrule, but if the forest is where the plateau is now it would make a lot more sense
Coming back to this theory after the new trailer reveal for the sequel gives this theory a bit more probability since it was shown that Hyrule castle was levitated into the sky. That's not an insignificant chunk of land and I don't think it's much of a stretch for the Great Plateau to be moved the same way.
I always just assumed it was like this:
1. Great Plateau is the birthplace of the kingdom. OoT Castle, Castle Town, and Temple of Time are here.
2. Some cataclysm occured. The first Calamity? The Great Flood? Tectonic shifting? It's been 10,000 years since the Divine Beasts were made, and the Divine Beasts are so far away from the tech available in any prior game, so millions of years may have passed!
3. The cataclysm subsides. Hyrule resettles far north, away from the old capital, which was now shifted to face southwest.
Great theory. I always figured the two were interconnected in some way, mainly because of the fountain and the notable buildings surrounding the Temple of Time. (Plus the master sword, of course).
There's also a possibility that the Lost Woods wasn't the original resting place of the Master Sword. Sure Zelda left it there for Link after his defeat prior to his resurrection, but we have no idea how he obtained it prior to those events. There's a huge chance they hid the Master Sword and left it with the Deku Tree for protection while Link was resting. To leave it in the Temple of Time out in the open like that would be a huge mistake.
I never would have figured the land masses would be swapped, though. And yes, Lost Woods isn't as close to Lake Hylia as it used to be in OoT, but remember that this is 10,000 years into the future from OoT, maybe even more than that. Continental drift would have moved any land masses further away from Lake Hylia, so of course some of the geography is going to change.
Yeah, very good points! :) Glad you enjoyed
Doesn’t continental drift occur over millions of years...? Not ten thousand...
its a game... maybe to them their planet shifts WAYYYY FASTER
See the map is actually the map from the original legend of Zelda. Look it up I found a pic that shows you.
Once again, huge thanks to TheArchnoble for giving me this theory idea as well as LoruleanHistorian for helping theorize about it. Hope you guys enjoy as we uncover the secret of the Great Plateau!
Don't worry BlackCrisis you're sense of humor is still better than MatPats 😶
NintendoBlackCrisis Oh and another idea that I hope u will consider what if the map should be facing a different direction what if its the wrong orientation( just saying)
Benjamin Davis as in the whole map or the orientation of the Great Plateau/Lost Woods?
ThtaGuyWithThe Piano I'll try looking into it sometime ;)
NintendoBlackCrisis my only problem with this theory is that twilight princess takes place after oot, and Hyrule castle from twilight is much higher up on the map than oot's castle, so the location of the current plateau is the location of the original castle from oot
i want the kokiri to come back in their original forms
The lost woods in ocarina of time are to the right of lake hylia, while in botw (when swapped) the lost woods are to the left of lake hylia. how does that make sense?
They got lost.
Ocarina of Masks
There has been tens of thousands of years between breath of the Wild and Ocarina of Time. In that time a lake the size of Hylia (which is actually fairly small) could dry up and possibly make a new lake somewhere else
If it was 1 thousand years between then and BoTW then it wouldn’t make sense.
Hey, great theory. This theory makes even more sense now that we've seen the Breath of the Wild 2 trailer and Hyrule Castle begin to move. Makes a lot of sense!!!
Although this theory is a bit of a stretch, it's still good and it opens up a lot of other possibilities. Good work!
Thanks!
WhynotCreepy iii
"Since I've proven that these places were indeed swapped" right.
I definitely believe they were swapped. But Nintendo could have given us more clues as to why - Champion's Ballad? I have a small theory of my own. Maybe it was very recently that they were swapped. Maybe they were in their original locations when Link died, and that's how the Sheika were able to bring Link to the Shrine of Ressurection - it wasn't elevated or moved yet. Then, the Goddess swapped the two landmasses during Link's sleep? They put him up there to protect him - so nobody could get to him. Nobody is alive to remember the swap. And the snowcapped peaks are still there, despite being surrounded by a desert, because they weren't able to melt in a short amount of time.
And to keep the Master Sword safe, of course. I liked the video! I'll join the Discord, because I have a question that hasn't been answered by anybody.
The JM3 I don't think this is possible. If I remember correctly, the lost woods can be seen in it's current location in Link's memories, so they must have moved before that happened.
If this is the decay timeline, they probably moved between Ocarina of Time and Link to the Past.
No.
The swap happened way before then. The Deku Tree remembers Link when he first showed up to (I assume) retrieve the master sword. If it wasn't swapped then, the master sword would still be in the temple of time
i like your theory better seems legit
Zora’s live long enough to have seen Link “die” so they would have seen the swap
One of the theories that actually convinced me; I've always been confused about the Great Plateau and the Lost Wood's strange locations they are in, and judging by the big stone-walls that look like old old sheikah tech, the Great Plateau could have easily been moved slowly over time and could be just a dormant divine beast. It (The Great Plateau) could have also been for Link, judging by the fact that he wakes up there. They wouldn't just give Link a small motorcycle, a replacement for a horse, instead of a divine beast like the other champions.
And for the Korok forest, that still confuses me on how it could have moved, but the Korok fog could have moved it because it is capable of teleporting Link and other creatures away.
That’s a funny idea. All the champions got their own mecha beast, but not link. Even though he wears a champions tunic. Nope instead he gets a little (big) island all to himself
I love how the Zelda TH-camrs are way nicer with each other than other content creators.
The only thing now is, did Link originally get the Master Sword from the Korok Forest 100 years ago?
Lycanroc Enthusiast this is what I was wondering. We know that it was in the forest because Zelda put it there. But we don’t know where Link got it originally
I think it was said that the Royal Family had it and gave it to Link when he was chosen by it
@@Fizzy01010 When they said 'chosen' they meant he pulled it out (Probably sometime when he was 10-14 years old). No one else can be in possession of it (such as the Royal Family) as there would be no way of getting it out of the pedestal.
this will all be answered in botw 2
Now that we saw how the castle was rising, we could say that the same thing happened to change the forest and the plateau
The fog was the kings special ability. He kept you from leaving as well as others entering. His cloak is literally part of his "cloaking" ability. Also could be the reason only Link is able to get into the lost forrest bc the King also shrouded that.
What makes more sense is the northern land was risen into the sky once again and dropped in the old Gerudo Wasteland.
East of Lake Hylia and South of Deya Ruins is a broken giant tree. This leads me to believe Deya was the old Kokiri Village and the fallen Deya tree was the Deku Tree.
Next a new Deku Sprout was planted northward at the empty Region below Thyphlo Ruins.
Finally, a new castle was built in the middle of Hyrule Fields.
0:03 If you play it slowly, you'll notice that he put "notice me, senpai-crisis" next to Zelda's face
Yeah... I don't buy it.
Gonna have to try a little harder with your evidence to win me over.
Any reason why?
Zeik War ...
K cool
edgy
And he never stated why for a year.
Zeik War Can you state why? Nobody’s gonna let you live this one down, man.
"Link" Is In The Description.
I'm always disappointed when they say "link is in the description" and then there's not even a Link made of punctuation marks 😭 especially on Zelda videos
It's a cool theory. It's surprising how the whole Zelda map isn't made of Death Mountains and rumbling calderas and ravines because of the oddly localized anomalous tectonic activity through the series. ;P
Perhaps they had to relocate Hyrule Castle and the towns several times due to destructive earthquakes absolutely FLATTENING everything.
Another good idea for why the great plateau and the lost woods swapped is because if they didn't, Look how close link is to ganon.
Link is in the description?
Where? Is zelda there to?
This is really interesting! I would love to get some closure regarding this theory in the DLC
Glad you liked it, thanks for watching!
YOOOOO WAS THIS THE EARLIEST HINT FOR THE SKY ISLANDS?????
Maybe the fog dissipates when you get the paraglider because King Rhoam removes it. I don't have any evidence that ghosts are capable of manipulating the Lost Woods fog, but it's still interesting to think about
My idea, the 2 areas were swapped so that link could not pull the sword until he was ready, since the shrine of Resurrection was a 5 minute walk from the master sword, The two regions along with the master sword were moved so that link wouldn't die pulling it.
I literally thought it said 'The Snap' and I was like "botw meets Thanos??"
The mystery of the Great Plateau has finally been solved.....with a theory. Hmmm
A GAME THEORY!
Literally the most unconvincing theory I've ever heard...
In Skyward Sword, you plant a seed in the temple of time that grows into a "deku tree" of sorts. Skyward Sword also has TWO Temples of time. It confirms to me that there is more than one place that the Master sword has resided. I wonder if that helps the validity of the theory... I like this theory. Keep them coming.
I am not convinced by the "why" Zelda hid the sword in the lost woods, we can literally see her puting it there.
She put it there because that’s where the pedestal was. Didn’t you see the state it was in when she put it in? If she put it it the Shrine of Resurrection so that Link could immediately get it, then it would probably deal very little damage and shatter as soon as you hit something with it. It’s not like they could just get a new one like you can with the rest of the Champions’ weapons. The pedestal there was the only way to heal the Master Sword. Have you even seen all the memories yet?
ya'll people trying to connect the zelda games to one another are crazy
Lol I think there's a way to connect the stories, but definitely not the maps.
The stories are meant to link. That was the purpose to his name. He is cursed to continuously protect zelda and fight different forms of ganon, whether that's people who follow the evil side or ganon himself. To me, it seems similar to, Lost Song. A sword connected between timelines of a person trying to destroy the world. It is all based on a single world that's constantly dying with a few survivors who rebuild until great cities are formed.
@@Jack-rk7jc Yea, it's not like Adventure of Link takes place after the orriginal Legend of Zelda. OR A Link to the past Link was in 5 games total, [A Link to the past, Link's Awakening, Oracle of Ages, Oracle of seasons, and A Link Between Worlds as the old man]. OR Majora's mask taking place after Ocarina of time and that same link in Twilight Princess as the Hero's shade.
@@lucielm your point is?
I think LordVulpix meant to say that to the originator of this thread.
Great Job! I never thought about it but yeah the big wall around the great plateau was strange to me, and now I understand why xD btw get the hype up the DLC for botw is coming soooon!!!! Maybe we could have a Zelda X Link moment XD
Woooooo I'm looking forward to it! ;)
I just hope the DLC has at least decent amount of content so you don't go through it in like two hours or something.
SusiKette - EDM mee too!!
all I want is a sidon x Link moment plz
Rezzie Yildirim YES! i’m not a fan of the ship of link and him being like together together lmao. but more cutscenes with them would be AMAZING
The Master Sword has appeared in the Lost Woods in previous games. Why assume that this time in particular, it's because a goddess feng-shui'd the geography?
When they say that the Plateau is the origin of Hyrule, I figured that means it's where the three goddesses descended. The legend says that after they departed, they left the Triforce, which would be resting in the Temple of Time, which is on the Plateau.
Castle Town was never on the Plateau, it's near the castle; you can see the ruins of it in BotW, still south of Hyrule Castle just like it's always been.
But in OoT, the Temple of Time was in Castle Town...
@@claudia-7917 no it wasnt always in the Temple of time... may i introduce you to ALLTP.. where the Master Sword was NOT in a Temple... or Hyrule Castel in WW(yes thast also NOT inside the Temple of Time)...but go figure, in the Lost Woods/Forest....
infact.. it could not always been IN the temple of time as the temple of time did not always exist.... the temple of time was created to act as a seal on the entrance to the Sacred Realm.. which means there was a time where it did not exist(aka ALLTP)
Also.... you remember that before OOT hyrule had a civil war right? who says that did not happen again in the ten thousand years of hyrules existent.... and in the aftermath hyrule castle was rebuild somewhere else(together with a new castle town) but.. becasue the temple of time is a Holy place it wasnt moved with the kingdom but remained where it was.
Seeing Hyrule castle rise from the ground in the BOTW 2 trailer gives this theory a lot more credibility
It's such a beautiful thing! I watched it recently, and I was like "Holy cow! The Swap may have really happened!"
One more thing: this is kind of going off of matpats theory on the placement of botw in the timeline. if botw takes place in the fallen hero timeline then it makes sense that you find the master sword in the post woods in a link to the past. If the two locations were swapped but the master sword in the same place it makes sense you find the master sword in the post woods
The master sword only responds to the chosen hero. Perhaps when the Shiekah swapped the plateau and Korok forest, the sword refused to move from its position without link so the pedestal was unintentionally left behind and ended up in the lost woods.
No, because there's a cutscene in the game showing Zelda leaving the master sword in the lost woods where we find it
Actually, I'd say that shrines+towers were used to teleport landmasses, cause thats what for even player using them after beating. Why would sheikah do that? Easy. They weren't sure about battle with Ganon, so, if he would destroyed some important tactical objects, other countries will attack, but, by swapping territories that weakpoint is not existant
Pride437 tectical
+LucyByTheOcean they're obviously too 'Proud' for that ayy.
their name is pride, get it?
;)
Have a great day everybody, best wishes ;)
All sorts of stuff wrong with this theory, though it is an interesting take on things I guess. The map for BOTW is essentially a rehash of Link to the Past from the SNES's map. Desert in the SW, Lakes/ocean in the SE. Death Mountain in the North. Hyrule Castle somewhat centralized, and The Lost Woods to the west of Death Mountain. Zora's Domain in the east and south of Death Mountain. Of course, the maps don't line up perfectly, but no Zelda map lines up perfectly with older ones.
Also he said the GP is possibly castle town, but 1. There already is a castle town, minus the temple of time, and 2. If GP WAS castle town from ocarina of time, swapping the two would put GP behind the castle, not in front like OoT.
There's even a giant stump in the game, like in ALTTP.
so amazing to hear you say you were at nearly 10,000 subs and now look at you with 161k!!!! I love what you are creating. Zelda addict here :DD
Also one of the koroks in korok city said that they worked extra hard to hide the master sword, I think they swapped the two places so that the monsters wouldn’t know where the master sword was
The problem I have with your videos is that you end by stating things like "I've proven *whatever the theory in the video is*."
You haven't proven anything, since to prove it means to remove any doubt. But there isn't a way to do that. With hypothesis videos like these, it's best to end more on a note of "this is my conclusion and this is how I got it. What do you think?" since in the end, unless Nintendo says something, it's only a hypothesis.
Or maybe in the river next to the korok forest there are titans hence why the walls exist
2nd DLC is comimg soon guys yes i'm soo pumped!
Same, looking forward to it even though I won't be able to play it xD
NintendoBlackCrisis Why not?
TLDR my gamepad screen is broken, and it leads to problems that make me unable to download the DLC
NintendoBlackCrisis dock it on a tv
I need to delete data for the dlc to download, but the settings only show up on the Wii U Gamepad. Therefore, I cannot do anything
6:53 "it only was shown to work on small objects, like bridge pieces" LOL
That was absolutely some amazing stuff. Makes so much sense. Well put together theory. You never lost me.
This is a really great theory, but I feel that it was done more so for gameplay reasons. If the great plateau had been in the area of Castle Town, the player would have subconsciously chosen the closest dungeons first as opposed to doing the dungeons in any order. Not to mention, there would essentially be only one direction for the player to leave. Of course there’s the area above the lost woods on the map, but that’s really small in comparison to the whole map.
Very true, that is always an option!
Now wait just a minute, the beginning of Kingdom Hearts 2 is really important to the whole plot of the series. I agree that it's a little drawn out, but it isn't that bad. Most people just want to rush through it and play as Sora, that's why they can't stand Roxas.
People tend to ignore Roxas's character because of this when they first play it. Now that I truly understand the story line of the series, I have a much deeper respect for Kh2's opening. It's even become one of my favorite parts of the game.
I mean, yeah I'm sure it was very important to the story but it could have probably been done a lot better. I haven't even finished the game (I stopped at around halloween town and haven't played it since) so I'm not going to act like I know anything regarding it. However the start was definitely tough to play through.
NintendoBlackCrisis I get that for people who have no idea what's going, especially when you skip the first game. *cough* Nah I'm just pulling your leg.
*Spoiler*
However, the 7 days you play in the beginning as Roxas is a continuation of the game 358/2 days where he is the main character. The way they set it up is that Roxas lived exactly 1 year. That's why it has such a heavy weight to the fans of the series, and it's why it became a lot of people's favorite part of the game. Roxas disappeared on his first birthday right after he finally got his memories back and had to fight his best friend.
*End Spoiler*
If you haven't finished the series, I seriously recommend jumping back in and playing the games how they are meant to be played. The plot is complex, but the characters are remarkable and the story does make sense later on. There is nothing I love more than Kingdom Hearts, and kh2 in particular is my favorite. I have over 2k hours on that game. 😂
I definitely want to get back into it because I'm sure I would love it ;)
It’s an awful series.
FallicIdol I think that about everyone I know and most gamers beg to differ.
I wish you also put in consideration the placement the temple of time was facing when mentioning where you would have originally entered. In bow looking out you face north, however oot you would be facing west. Same with the deku tree as well, so I believe when the regions swapped they both might have also been rotated. I love this theory and really just helps my OCD when trying to compare the geography of the maps. Still bothers me though that lake Hylia is far too east than should be and the desert is a bit too south
I also noticed that, especially in the Great Plateau’s case as the lake in the Northeast corner of the Plateau was originally the entrance to the region.
The shortest, most direct, and out of universe answer is that it appears that the developers were toying around with both areas as possibly being the starting point and happened to pick the set up that is currently the game.
This is the most crazy theory and yet it makes perfect sense. I’d love to see a prequel set 1000 years prior with the previous incarnations of Link and Zelda with the Plateau and the Forest swapping places.
0:03 says, notice me, senpai-crisis
thank me later
I clicked it while in my country it was 0.03....:')
HTG // HaydenTheGamer wot
HTG // HaydenTheGamer nope.
About half way thru this but i got to remind u of something maybe they did not move locations just that the Great deku tree was planted in another area after all the great deku tree does die in OoT
Pretty sure that another sapling appeared right where the original Deku tree died ;)
yes it did but it also took 7 years to grow to where it could be seen so it could have been relocated if there was need. Was thinking about this for a min but let me give u something to think about if u recall the timelines state that link fails to defeat Ganon and as such hyrle gets flooded but what if the reason the reason it was flooded was due to the fact that Links Mother Died before getting him to the Great Deku tree in the first place in witch case Link would have nvr grown up in the care of the Koroks in the first place and maybe even died as a baby this could easily add more timeline but no body even asks or even considers that possibility
@@rccola89 umm the reason the goddess hylia floods hyrule in the adult time line is because adult link from Oot goes back in time so there is no more hero in the future timeline
Ha ha, LINK is in the description, am I right?
Kaz Poppe where is Link fkwkdn
You know where you can put your link?
Hea ha
I beleive that this swap, may have happened prior to twilight princess, which would explain why the hell the temple of time was found in the woods there.
Maybe the fog around the plateau was powered by the King's spirit - once he thinks Link is ready, he lets the fog and himself fade away.
Your explanation for why doesn't seem to add up. Unless you're trying to suggest the sword and pedestal themselves didn't move somehow while everything else in the region did move, the Master Sword would have been in the Lost Woods either way. Moving the Lost Woods wouldn't have had any effect on protecting the Master Sword, as the general location of the Lost Woods is known anyway and there's no added defenses around the Lost Woods. So moving the Lost Woods to hide the Master Sword would be pointless unless the sword and pedestal remained in the exact same location, while the Plateau and Woods swapped around it. But while the Master Sword is in the Temple of Time in Ocarina of Time, it is found in the Lost Woods in LTTP and LBW. There's also the fact that if it was the Goddess (which Goddess by the way? Hylia became Zelda and lost most of her powers as a result, and the 3 Great Goddesses left after making the Triforce) that moved the regions around, then the problem of the Master Sword being in the pedestal wouldn't be a problem, as obviously the Goddess would have sufficient health (though I believe it was stated that the health drain was added after Zelda returned it, so it would wait for Link's return), and would likely be deemed worthy enough
Any chance you could better explain or find a different answer?
I was indeed suggesting that the sword and the pedestal didn't move (it was in the video). Also, while Hylia became Zelda, I still proved that it is possible for the land to move (heck, it could be another goddess for all we know).
NintendoBlackCrisis Maybe an unknown Zelda made a wish on the Triforce at some point in the timeline and we just haven't gotten that game yet.
NintendoBlackCrisis can you prove or support that aspect of the theory? Like looking more around the sword and pedestal themselves instead of the regions as a whole? Where would they have been on the plateau? What indications are there of such a thing? It isn't enough for a vague fitting of the regions as a whole. It's one thing to show that the Great Plateau mostly fits where the Lost Woods are, but if there's no indication that the Master Sword was on the Plateau, the theory doesn't hold. And the point of the Master Sword being in the Temple of Time in OoT doesn't work alone, since there's more than enough time between the games that the sword itself could have been moved by a previous hero, and the sword is found in the Lost Woods in LTTP, LBW, and TP. In fact, I believe in TP the Temple of Time itself is in the Lost Woods
Now, I think I should clarify that I'm neither for nor against this theory. You haven't convinced me it's true, but at the same time there isn't any evidence outright disproving it. But whether I believe a theory or not, I always enjoy seeing how well someone can defend their theory, how much evidence they can find to support it, especially if such evidence is in small details or hard to notice places. I'm fairly new to your channel, but am enjoying your videos, so I want to see your worth as a theorist, and if you can fill in holes in such a theory, it would be great. Because as I said, there's nothing that outright disproves this theory. But without evidence on a smaller scale, more focused on the position of the Master Sword than the sizing of the regions, it doesn't hold enough ground
tubefan90000 No worries, I'll definitely be looking into this more :)
tubefan90000, bruh, he literally shows where the master sword is on the great plateau and in the korok forest, and it is basically the same spot when overlapped. Where all the shrines intersect on either is where the master sword is/would be.
What other evidence is needed? If you swap the lands, and leave the sword, it is essentially in the exact same spot. That is evidence enough for me. Seems like you just didn't pay much attention to the video...
When you die when pulling out the master sword
Master Sword: Long Live the King
Link: NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Zelda: NOO!
Master Sword: WHOS NEXT?
Who else is reviewing all the theories to prepare for botw2?
Not to mention, if Ganon found the master sword, he'd probably just station a hundred guardians there to watch it.
Also, the Great Deku Tree can protect it in the Korok Forest
subscribed legit for the "holding ground" pun. was on the fence until that point haha