Breath of the Wild: REVISITING the 8th Heroine
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- Can we finally solve the mystery of the Eighth?
Today I answer some more questions you guys have had regarding one of my previous theories!
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Check out this amazing theory created by both "A Plumber to the Past" and "LoruleanHistorian" in my discord chat about the 7/8th Heroine!
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Nice!
NintendoBlackCrisis oh also I know of a theory about the king of hyrule and the grate plateau that will kick you in the gut and scream "holy shit Nintendo is the king of detail"! It's in my Reddit under "boringkids" or is in the Zelda Reddit. BUT what would you say if I told you that the king DIED at the grate plateau during the seag of the Guardians?
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i paused before u said who it was and i said its tingel
how come I knew you were going to say tingle as a joke?
What if the Gerudo Heroines have nothing to do with the sages, but are instead the Gerudo women who gave birth to the sole king every 100 years (in effect saving the race from extinction)? The eighth could be Ganondorf’s mother, and was cast aside. The different attributes to each heroine could be arbitrary qualities they were known for when they were alive (to give some depth to Gerudo culture and values).
That is a very good theory. I hope you don't mind if I use it for a base for a story.
That would be implying that botw took place 800 years after OoT, which simply isn't true
Rightyboy Wilson except the fact that there are no recorded births of a gerudo male for 1000 years. Probably because ganon is still technically alive and there can only be one male at a time.
Willy Tree
its been 10,000 years since ganondorf existed in Oot. and nothing in zelda lore stated only 1 male exists every 100 years. It is that male birth rate is only once every 100 years. Male gerudo are rare, and more women are born.
even the gerudo chick u free from ganon made the claim he was "supposedly" a gerudo. And looked down on that fact.
It's very possible that either the heroines are the mothers of particularly notable kings, the tradition ended with gannon, or that no males were born since gannon was born.
Me: lmao what if he said tingle.
Me 5 seconds later: *I w a s k i d d i n g*
"All seven races"
Deku wasn't mentioned once.
No respect for the scrubs.
It's like Nintendo forgot they existed. They haven't been in a 3D Zelda game since Majoras Mask.
Yeah... poor poor Deku. Allmight has to give up on him
@M R That's racist.
@@dekuscrublord3737 maybe they're only from termina.
@@COOLMCDEN They were present in Hyrule in Ocarina of time.
I believe the 8 heroines/statues is a reference to Twinrova/Koume and Kotake. Koume and Kotake are named after the twin grandmothers in the detective novel "Village of the 8 Graves". In the story, 8 defeated samurai escape to a remote mountain village bringing with them gold. The 8 samurai are killed by the villagers wanting the gold. In response, the leader of the 8 samurai curses the village.
So my thinking is that if the gerudo statues are the samurai, then the yiga clan would be the villagers and the 8th heroine statue itself is Twinrova. Twinrova is Koume and Kotake's combined form...and they were gerudo witches that raised Ganondorf in OoT. So if the yiga clan worships Ganon it stands to reason they would also worship the one(s) responsible for him. The kingdom exiling the shiekah thus creating the yiga clan could be in reference to the curse the leader of the 8 put on the villagers.
As for the location of the statue, what if the 8th statue was actually the 1st statue they created (and the yiga hideout having been created before that as a place of worship) but during the process, they discovered Twinrova's involvement with Ganondorf and abandoned it in the middle of transporting the statue's sword. This would also explain why its existence was erased from history, because the kingdom and gerudo didn't want people to know that the gerudo had anything to do with Ganondorf.
Wtf this is level 100 logic you are so smart i hope he will notice it for episode 3!!
Holy crap you’re right. They made the statue there. And moved the sword. They carved the statues out of that mountain! She would have been the last carved but still! I always wondered how she got there. She was carved tbere the other statues got moved. Mhm
Yes definitely true this explains everything. This theory must be true (this Is explanations)1. The sword might have came off because the yiga might have detached the sword so it's easier to get down the cliff but when it was down the sword rolled down the hill and the yiga went of and tried to get it and never came back 2.the sword cracked off from the statue when transporting down the cliff. This also explains why there is a box behind the statue this is probably because the yiga put it there to make sure the statue safe so it wouldn't fall over. If any people ask "but why don't we see tracks of a cart or something" well don't forget this is probably the 1st statue that was made also it's been 100 years since then so it would have disappeared. Also this explains why there is a cut in the mountain leading up to it because the yiga was transporting the statue so they would need space and the only way to do that is make a cut in the mountain. This theory can be ruined because why would they be transporting a statue? It's simply just ROCK. But on a side note this theory must be true.
I thought the 8th heroine was Midna. It would explain how the statue of the the forgotten heroine got there and she was in the twilight realm, which was the realm of the banished... and forgotten.
Wow cool theory
Best one I've seen so far.
Midna was technically a shiekah I believe, since a few of them were interlopers, banished to the twilight realm. Which would make sense for the Yiga clan to keep that statue, representing the banished shiekah. But I don't see her being an 8th sage of that realm, as she exists in a separate realm. But it aaaaaalso would explain the statue being "banished" and the sage being wiped from history.
Could the eighth statue be guarding the entrance to the twilight realm? (The area where the mirror of twilight used to be)
Whoa...
I don’t know if anyone has said this yet, but in The Wind Waker in Hyrule Castle there are 9 pieces of stained glass. One of them showing te triforce and the other 8 each representing the sages from OOT. Ganon is on there too so I really believe Ganon is the eight heroine/sage.
Yes!! That would make total sense!!! I am in total agreement!!!!!!!! What if it was a tomb and the entrance to the yiga clan is his tomb?
Charlot de Bruin I concur, really like this idea. Ganondorf was the leader of the Gerudo in OoT, so maybe construction of the heroine statues began while he was in power, and before the eighth was completed it was moved because Ganon was defeated?
Yeah... both the Gerudo and the Yiga worship the heroines instead of the Goddess Hylia. And I do have a hunch that the Heriones are also Gerudo. And the 8th heroine is referred to as “She” but nobody really knows who they are, so it could just be an assumption the NPC has made since most of the Gerudo are female, but the 8th could actually be male.
Charlot de Bruin He’s not a chick, though
A heroine is a woman though. Gannondorf is a man.
when he said "second DLC coming out this holiday" i was like "OH SH" then i checked the date
R I P
Been there before
Now I REALLY hope this is explored more in BOTW 2. My guess is the Yiga Clan makes a comeback now that they're not being ruled by that incompetent dude, and they revive Ganondorf.
Would be cool
how dare you, master kohga is the best banana
@@safuri1222 top banana, or chimp chump?
*W H A T. A B O U T. M I D N A ????*
.. the 8th is mirrored, that could mean something
The way you said that mirrored... the twilight mirror the text is mirrored midna has some evidence to back it up
This needs to be up voted more
@@jasonschroeder9963 thats a good point
THATS WHAT IVE BEEN THINKING FOREVER
Like, what if midna has originally been a sage, but was exiled upon the twilight princess timeframe?
This is probably stating the obvious, but there's one thing you didn't bring up. It's especially clear if you look at the bird's eye view of the Seven Heroines shown on the game's map: You can see that while there are seven statues, there's a space between two of them that would be perfect for fitting an eighth in there. You could argue that this space is simply the entrance, but even if there was a statue blocking it you could easily pass between two of them to get in there. So this would point to the eighth statue originally being there but then being moved to the Gerudo Highlands.
Additional points of interest:
1. Of course, you only need to place seven orbs into their correct indentations. There is no eighth indentation at the location, and the eighth heroine does not appear to have her own symbol that could be matched to an additional orb. Although it is possible that her symbol was on the hilt of her sword and it has been smudged out with the passing of time.
2. We have no idea how the Sheikah's construction of shrines worked, but when they built the one at the location, they must not have taken the eighth heroine into consideration. To make the shrine appear, they arranged it so the hero would need to place seven orbs into the indentations that corresponded to their statues, which may have included some collaboration with the Gerudo. This implies that the shrine was built after the eighth heroine was moved, and the Gerudo might have been aware of the statue being moved and didn't want it to be part of the puzzle. The Sheikah's involvement in this supports the statue's move being somehow related to the Yiga. And if your Ganondorf theory is correct, which I think sounds quite plausible, the eighth heroine lacking her own symbol would make sense since he never did become a sage. Maybe there were eight people who could become sages, but only seven did, and the one who didn't become one didn't get her own symbol and was moved. By the way, the Sheikah's construction of shrines and how it worked could be an interesting topic of discussion on its own.
There's also more to the 8th heroine as well. It may not have a location to place any orb or it may not have any specific symbol but I just replayed botw and did the heroine quest again and at the base of the 8th there are some vents at the foot where blasts of air are able to propel link up if he uses the paraglider. There could be something more at the base of that statue. Maybe a pedestal for an orb or something else below (if nintendo wanted to add to the lore behind the 8th heroine).
While I've been watching videos on the mystery of the Eighth Heroine, I have the idea that it is Midna. It would explain why she is still worshiped by the Yiga if they are in any way related to the Twili and the separation of the Sheikah (if you go along that line of thought that the Twili were Sheikah who did not agree with the main group.) And with the statue being a "mirror" image representing the Mirror of Twilight and how she is trapped behind it. In a sense, she is "forgotten" and no longer one of the Eighth. It is a thought.
Exactly. And she *broke* the mirror of twilight, just like her sword is broken
@@celiamartinez7142 But the sword being broken is not all there is to it: the sword is seemingly buried deep underground in a location it could not have possibly been _moved to_ deliberately due to the difficult topography. It almost looks like it was carved there on purpose.
There is no real evidence that the Yiga are related to the Twili, though.
The 8th heroine is actually Epona.
P r e a c h
M I N D B L O W N ! ! ! ! !
I would of never thought of the Holy horse herself
Boom
WHY
What if... It was a reference to Zelda 2...? That game had eight towns. All of the towns returned as important characters in Ocarina of Time (six of them as sages, one of them as the leader of the Kokiri, whose name is also casually reused for the divine beast of flight). Except for one, which was never ever referenced again, Kasuto. Which was curiously enough the only town that was twice in the map, since they had to rebuild it after Ganon attacked. So just like the eight heroine, Kasuto was fractured, divided, and forgotten by "Time".
I always assumed Kasuto was the name of the Deku Tree
Good theory
Medoh is supposed to Medili who was a Rito, not Mido the Kokiri.
gucci
It really makes perfect sense to me that the 8th Heroine statue was created by the Yiga Clan as a way of worshipping and memorializing Ganondorf. They made the statue in the same style as the other 7 Heroine Statues which were built by the Gerudo. They could have also specifically made the 8th Heroine statue female just to piss off the Gerudo that much more. In that way, they are making Ganondorf an equal amongst the Gerudo heroines. Perhaps the Gerudo, on finding this out, tried to destroy the 8th statue. That would explain why the sword is in another place. Unfortunately, they wouldn't have been able to destroy the rest of it, as it's carved into the mountainside.
Powerade600 it's incredibly far from their settlement and is right around the corner from the yiga clan hideout, so that could be a factor. The trek and climb is supposed to be very dangerous (from what Bozai says to Link), as well as being in a very cold region which the gerudo are probably not equipped for, so it'd make sense if a small group of gerudo warriors would be able to make it up there and mess around with the sword but don't have the energy to double around and mess up the rest of the statue before they get frostbite.
While I see where you're coming from, remember that there are already 8 statues of similar make in the Yiga Clan Hideout which was formerly a place of the Gerudo (possibly for worship or as a sacred place). It's more likely that between the time that place in the highlands was made and the time the giant statues of the 7 were made that something happened that the Gerudo wanted to memorialize by changing the design from 8 statues together to 7 together and 1 apart. While I do like the theory of Midna, there are too many holes in any theory so far to make an assertion.
This ... is awsome
I am a yiga member undercover, that is true.
WELL WELL WELL DON'T WE GOT A PROPHET HERE
Question: Is the Gerudo Script on each statue the same in the Japanese release as the English release?
Its in gerudo script in any language .
I think he meant whether it translates the same
Seems plausible that the translations are different.
Also why does it say 8 years ago 0-0 the longest ago it could’ve been was 2
@@peng0_266 that's the guy's registered TH-cam name.
I understand the in-game reason behind reversing the statue and relocating it far away, I'm having a hard time understanding why the characters within the universe would go through the trouble of doing all that, or how. I think it's far more likely that the first eighth statue within the circle of statues was destroyed because of some betrayal, and the eighth located in the highlands was built long after, and intentionally reversed as some kind of refutation of either the other seven, or the rest of Hyrule as a whole. Similar to how people use upside-down crosses as a refutation towards Christianity. Since we've already seen the Yiga intentionally switch the Sheika symbol upside down, it would be consistent with the kind of symbolism they would do.
Initially I assumed the eighth heroine might have been a Sheika, and the original statue was demolished when the King, in his paranoia, banished them. But then it wouldn't make sense that the Yiga would continue to worship something associated with the Sheika, who they've turned against. In this theory it would only make sense if that particular sage was already known for being against the old Sheika ways, or in some way held contrary belief systems that the Yiga could co-opt long after their death as a sort of early Yiga mindset. Idk...
headfangs I initially thought this too but then I remembered that there are 8 heroines in the entrance of the yiga clan hideout and they definitely did not carve that so I think it was all made before yiga clan existed, but presumably the large 7 heroines and 8th heroine were carved AFTER the smaller statues were carved in the future hideout
Okay, so I don't mind a "heroine" being either a guy or a girl in gerudo culture; if you believe that the 7 are the sages from OOT, than you already have 1 guy in the mix (Darunia). The issue is if this is the downfall timeline, why would anybody commemorate Link, since he would have failed? I personally believe that the 8th heroine is Midna, from Twilight Princess. it is important to note a couple of distinct differences about the hidden statue and the rest. 1) it is call the "Statue of the 8th Heroine," not the Statue of the 8th Sage, so whoever this person is, she does not need to be a sage herself, but rather just related to them in some way. (since the other 7 were all together, let's assume they are the classic "sages" that we see in Zelda lore) 2) the statue's writing is reversed. This leads me to believe that this statue could be considered some type of mirror image, which I believe to be an homage to the Twilight Realm. That would make the 8th Heroine Midna herself, heroine of Twilight Princess who helped defeat Ganon and shattered the mirror connecting the two worlds, while the other sages are those who initially killed Gannondorf in that timeline., ridding the Gerudo of his rule. Her "sword" would be broken to represent the shattered Twilight Mirror (or possibly the broke Fused Shadow), and she is set apart from the sages because of her separation in the Twilight Realm.
Good point. That and the fact that the Mirror Of Twilight was located within the Gerudo Desert.
This made logic, but her sword isn’t broken it’s just located in another place. But there’s a statue with the rest of the seven that have a broken sword and it could represent the sage of water that was killed in Twilight Princess...
Remember that the seven wise men from alttp is supposed to be the sages from oot? Yeah...so don't take things too seriously.
Maybe just after time they forget what race or gender the sages were.
As Fi says, information gets mixed up or forgotten over time.
it is, just in ruins. Arbiter's grounds is in the map, by a mulduga.
I know many people don't think that it's in the child timeline, but I do. I think that the yiga are the twili. there are a few theories about this that I found.
Maybe the Eighth Heroine (bear with me) is Link’s Mother? Think about it: Farosh, the Dragon that represents Link’s part of the Triforce, doesn’t just stay in the Faron Region, but also goes to the Gerudo Region, where it lingers above the statue of the Eighth heroine for a while. We can also take things into account like the Gerudo patterns on Link’s arm-things. Also, we know that his dad served as a knight in Hyrule Castle, and are told that the Gerudo used to go to Hyrule Castle in order to find husbands. ALSO ALSO, in the BOTW 2 trailer, the Gerudo script above Ganondorf’s corpse is green, which represents Link and his part of the Triforce. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
Couldn't be, link would be the gerudo King in that case since gerudo only give birth to a man every 100 years.
Take a minute to research the unfinished obelisk in norther Eqypt. An abandoned, giant stone sculpture that was left due to a mistake during its creation.
like you said the 8th has the text flipped. it also is still not cut away from the background stone, which would have to be done before it was moved. maybe it was one that was left after it was carved incorrectly.
It seems unlikely that they would have carved the statues elsewhere and moved them later. Simple shaped obilisks are one thing, but intricate statues are another. My guess is that the original eighth statue was destroyed and that the other was later built as a sign of defiance with it's back to the rest.
Strikerwes but what about the stone sword you can find in the gerudo high lands not far from the statue and why is it so far from gerudo town when the other heroines are so close
@@quokka8292 easy, just like the unfinished obelisk in Egypt they were carved from one location and moved to another same as Stonehenge. maybe all of them were carved in that same area and then move to where they are now and since there was a mistake on the eighth heroine it was left there.
But what about the eight in the yiga hideout?
Strikerwes that would explain why the passage to the eighth heroine is so deep but what about the sword?
the 8th heroine could be hiding the zonai area that looks like a dungeon in botw 2, although it might be under hyrule castle
Maybe it's not even under the castle. The trailer just gives us bits and pieces, not even in a strict chronological order - so that we only assume everything is happening there at that moment.
@@aliciau86 Didn't we get to see the outside too?
In zelda twilight princess Ganondorf actually killed one of the Seven Sages. That is who the seven heroines could be, and the one with a broken sword would be the one to fall to the hand of Ganondorf. It would make sense, because I believe botw takes place after the events of twilight princess considering how many times twilight is mentioned in the game.
PumpkinBass 4113 I talked about this in a previous video. However the one problem with it was that the orb that most likely represented water (the one that was killed) was in an entirely different statue
PumpkinBass 4113 Breath of the Wild actually comes after every Zelda game so far, it's pretty confusing and I think the time line is now officially fucked up in Breath of the Wild
Flaming X
not really they converged.
@@azadalamiqno it's canon that botw is the latest game in the timeline
@@potatoman5498 I believe it comes in the adult timeline in OoT's area. I have my own reasons, I won't bore you if you don't want. Otherwise, just ask, I'll explain.
I think the Yiga Clan Hideout was once a temple/shrine of Gerudo before the 8 heroine statues were built (and before the 8th heroine betrayed Gerudo).
what if this has something to do with BOTW 2?
Yeah, I feel like there are a lot of things in BotW1 that are intended to lead into or be explained in BotW2.
@@ThornHailsnap or botw 3
Possible
@@leoschautvideos valve when?
ThornHailsnap I Hope so
The definition of heroine is a chief woman who is praised for her achievements
Orrrrrrr they’re completely new characters since we have 10,000 years of events to fill. A group of 8 Gerudo warriors we haven’t heard of isn’t that out of the ordinary.
But Nintendo likes to do this.
The 8th heroine is actually the 5th divine beast, Vah Pihzah. A divine beast with Hestu as its pilot. Overtaken by the blight, Bananablight Ganon, Hestu had fled to the forest. But, due to Vah Pihzah in the cold weather, the malice had froze and the divine beast had became neutral for the next 100 years. Though it may have a small size, its power is unbelievable. Combine it with its former pilot, Hestu, and it would be unstoppable, unless the inevitable malice takes over it.
What if the eighth was Twinrova? I imagine she would be a prominent figure in Gerudo history, but reviled for being a tyrannical witch and raising Ganondorf.
ShinyGoldBacon I in saw a different comment about Twinrova too.
Totk is, as per usual, absolutely trampling on these theories
Calling it rn, the 8th sage is the sage that’s sealing ganon in the botw 2 trailer
Midna! Look at the bracelet symbols on the hand that's sealing Ganondorf; it's really Twili looking. The reversed text may reference the mirrored dimension of Twilight. And the twili were banished, just like the eight statue.
UwU
@@daurpm the bracelts also resemble zonai symbols which we could learn more about in botw 2
@@daurpm Someone said the Eighth Heroine could be Midna.
“One person who has been wiped from history with only few still worshipping him”
Me: **whispers** tingle...
“TINGLE!”
I literally sat up in my bed laughing my ass off. This actually happened
Just found this out, but in Totk, if you go to the eight heroine statue, you can find a cave where the head used to be, and you can find Tingle’s hood in it
Hear me out NBC. Look at your map at the position of the seven heroines in the desert. Then look at the eighth. Take screen shots of both and cut out the eighth. You should find it fits perfectly in to complete the circle making 8 heroines. That's too big a coincidence in my opinion. And if I remember correctly about the inside of the yiga clan hideout, all the statues were nice and evenly spaced out as well. (Its late and the game is huge. And I trust my memory)
Otherwise, love watching your theories. I'm glad that most of not all of your theories end with that mystery. That you have a theory and back it with TONS of potential evidence. Inferring some things based on general text from NPCs. You are doing awesome! Keep up the good work
I think the 8th statue is a former sage that turned evil and was banished from being a sage and then formed the Yiga clan. The statue representing that sage was torn down and taken far from the others because the 7 remaining sages wanted no affiliation with (or memory of) the sage that became evil. That would explain a lot really such as why there are 8 statues in the Yiga Clans hideout for one and why the Yiga Clan are the only ones who still worship her
hmmm I don't know. I recall in the last video that you said that the heroines didn't necessarily have to be the sages from ocarina of time. To me it seems more plausible that there were 7 gerudos that were top ranking and ganondorf would be the 8th (in charge, since he is the only male, and also a representative of their race). And then when he decides to take the triforce that is when the statue is removed (or in my opinion, built to remember the horrible deeds they have done, and to remember not to repeat history).
Amberley Canegitta Yup, I said that and still agree! However because the wielded powers matched with the sages of oot, I simply brought this up as a possibility ;) thanks for watching!
that may also be why the statue is completely reversed, the opposite of female is male and to the Gerudos making a statue of a man wouldn't sit right so they would just make a reverse female statue.
R3cov3ry Very interesting!
Sorry, I’m late to the party, but why would the Yiga cover its face then? They worship Ganon, so they probably wouldn’t, even if it’s not their dialect
on the other vid that is what I put
The 8th heroine is tingle, clearly if you don’t believe me fite me
No its Sans Undertale I mean who else lives somewhere snowy? Nobody in existence besides sans
RACCoon smh forgetting about Pongo
Ok when were
I think the seven statues could represent the races in The Legend of Zelda (Hylian, Shikah, Gerudo, Zora, Goron, Kokiri and Rito). The eighth could represent the Zonai and that they disappeared. I have no idea how the statue got there though.
The Rito evolved from the Zora, so that's out. They're the same people, just changed.
"But, HEY Thats just a theory, a Breath of the wild theory. Thanks for watching ;D" Nice reference lol
My theory is, there was a typo and instead of heroine, it was meant to be herobrine.
nice
Crap
*click* Noice
Makes so much since now...
Terrible
All the dislikes are from the yigga clan
Zonai, Midna, mirrored, secret entrance, hidden cave/dungeon/..., banned heroine, Ganondorf sealed away...So many interesting thoughts in the video (and the related one you made before) and the comments "back then", and now, after the BOTW2 trailer, everything gets even more exciting. I really hope we get to explore this place!
A few things to help support your theory:
The statue being mirrored to be left handed is like how the entirety of _Twilight Princess_ is mirrored so that Link would swap hands.
Then there's the way it's tucked away, resting in a completely different area as the other seven. Similar to how Link is often out of the loop with this whole "seven sages" thing until one of them explain it to him.
I also think about the sword being torn away from it. Link has lost his sword at least twice, that I can think of right now. Once in OoT, during the climactic battle with Ganon, and in this game--when he loses, the sword is taken away for him to retrieve again when he's ready.
I just thought she was put there so she could be closer to the Forgotten Temple before it was forgotten. There's literally a pathway connecting them. I like your theory though
I thought i was the only one who noticed that.
But why is her sword on top of a different mountain?
@@chevaliedelareverie yeah why ?
She was carved there and then not carfied off.
There is no evidence for this, and it also makes no sense, since there is no conceivable reason to do this.
Hey, I have a theory but, I'm new to this channel as of today and well it may be quite ridiculous but, I'd like you to look into it because I have not been active with Zelda theory. What if we don't rule out the sages from Twilight Princess... It has been a while since I have played TP so please forgive me if any of my information is incorrect. Didn't the sages ban Ganondorf into the Twilight Realm and wasn't he considered a sage at some point? He could be the eighth sage that could have been banished. What if they considered Midna a sage that is linked with the Seven Heroines? Couldn't she take the roll of motion since she could control twilight matter? The more I think about this the more I want to believe this is true because the entrance to the Twilight Realm is in fact in the Gerudo Dessert... Coincidence? What if each heroine was linked to a tribe/race? Gerudo, Hylian, Sheika, Zora, Goron, Rito, and Twilight..... Maybe Ganondorf could have been the eighth since he is still worshiped in BOTW by the Yiga Clan. Maybe they accepted Midna as one if their own for taking control of the Twilight Realm and making sure that Ganondorf didn't gain any more power... Thoughts?
I like this theory
Destinary
The act of being destiny.
As used in everyday conversation:
Tim: "Did you see that?"
Nate: "Wow, toasty noggin."
Tim: "That was destinary"
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I'm grateful to be alive this day to witness this glory. Must be destinary.
I don't have anything to back this up, all I have is just a small theory.
The Eighth statue could be the birth mother of Ganon. Someone who was a proud warrior but ultimately was forgotten due to being shadowed by the fate of her son. The destiny Ganon faced and the Gerudo follow. The warrior tribe is proud people, the birth mother could have been shamed in the aspect of motherhood but respected as a warrior. The other statues could be those who raised Ganon or something to that tone.
The reason for the Eighth Statue not having a sword could be intentional. A way of saying that no matter how powerful and great the mother might have been, the fact she birthed a 'disgrace' strained her reputation.
Okay, so first of all people are telling me that the heroine isn't a guy, but let me remind you guys something:
Gerudo look at men as "inferior" and the idea of someone as important as a sage being male would be unacceptable in their culture. So it wouldn't be surprising if over time, it changed from the seven sages to the seven heroines.
Thanks for watching guys :)
Makes sense to me
Oh and thanks for hearting my comment!
That's a possibility but it does seem farfetched...like why would the hero of time be remembered by the Gerudo in the first place? Naboru was dead, that's clearly shown at the end of OOT, so the adult timeline should be out. If this is the child timeline then she likely didn't awaken as a sage at all because Link wasn't there to save her from the temple or because of link not getting involved she never got caught in the first place and just lived her life completely oblivious to being the next sage. We also have the old ghost men in TP who are probably the sages before the OOT sages, another sign that Naboro never awoke. If it's the downfall timeline then she is likely dead as well as it should be the same as what we saw in OOT except Link dies and Ganondorf is sealed with the full triforce.
So anyway if she's dead I don't see her communicating with her people and if she's alive I don't see how she would know about the hero of time.
nworder4life The Zora stone monument explains this:
Around that same time, an evil man with designs on ruling the world appeared, bringing disaster upon Zora's Domain. It is said that Ruto then awoke as a sage, facing this foe alongside the princess of Hyrule and the hero of legend. Her achievements are remembered not only by the Zora, they are also forever etched into the history of Hyrule
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Good job on the theory I subbed your very thourough and I love nerding out and speculating about stuff we find in botw
The motion one could also be link since he is able to control time or whatever when the time slows down when he shoots an arrow as he is falling in botw
This is a big stretch but what if the 8th heroine was sheik. Sheik being worshipped by the yiga clan would kind of make sense since the yiga came from the sheikah. The fact that sheik was actually Zelda would make sense for why it isn't included with the other 7 heroines because it is technically 1 of them already.
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The Yiga’s “base” is actually an abandoned mine. It says in the BoTW book.
I always interpreted Heroine as literal heroes of Hyrule. The 8 Heroes, i.e. the 8 people who ended the Ganondorf's reign of terror to be Link, Zelda, Rauru, Saria, Darunia, Ruto, Impa, and Nabooru
I like this because after the time line split the hero of times actions would be forgotten….
This theory doesn't work, because it ignores the most robust piece of information we have about the 8th Heroine: she is still worshipped to this day. But the only people who could ever access the region for worship are the Yiga Clan. Who would the Yiga Clan worship? None of the people in this list make any actual sense.
This was my comment from the last 8th heroine video...
"I always prescribed to the theory of their being 8 sages. I also think ALL 7 of the heroine statues originated from the same cliff-side that you find the 8th one. The way Stonehenge, the statues on Easter Island, the Great Pyramids, etc. ALL take specific rock from miles away to build their important structures/statues."
This still makes sense to me, even if the 8th was abandoned in the quarry where the rest also came from. I think the mirroring effect may be a clue to who it was, as a rebel, or odd one out. The different instances of the either 7 or 8 heroines, represents when in history they were made. Originally 8 when the Gerudo worshiped at the now Yiga hideout, then one was outcast, halting the progress of the last one in the highlands. From then on out, it was "7", as those statues even look newer.
im convinced everyone commenting that it cant be link or a ganondorf while pointing out the "ine" in heroine did not watch the video whatsoever and just went straight to the comments the second that possibilty was brought up.
bdo7boi I'm literally reading comments and having the same thought!! Someone typed a summary of the video with a few of their own ideas thrown in? And I just.. Smh.
Or, maybe they disagreed with his entire theory because of the "ine" bit.
His theory about it being Link or Ganondorf is only plausible IF he's correct about the Seven Heroines actually referring to the Seven Sages of Ocarina of Time.
im watching this in 2019 and i've just seen it and what if the eight turned into a yiga clan member???
omg yess that makes sense
Then why 8 and not just 1 statue on their base ?
@@relaxxx1554 one of the gerudo ppl said that the 8th heroine is still worshiped by the ppl who live in the gerudo highlands, so that kinda makes sense orrrrr idk
It may simply be that the eight statues were there before the Yiga, an ancient Gerudo place of worship.
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I love it so much when you reference Game Theory. MatPat got me introduced to this kind of thing.
8th heroine hiding a dungeon? Or maybe a cave, which holds carvings of a secret history, the prison for a certain gerudo that the yiga would honor... maybe it covers ganondorf's prison from the sequel trailer
Botw 2 trailer takes place UNDER Hyrule castle Tho .
What if when you restore the 8th heroine sword to its original place, it opens up a door into a dungeon? That would be amazing
Ya know, the yiga hideout looks a lot like the temple of shadow from ocarina of time...
I figure that is the yigas doing as the temple of shadow is entirely a sheika construction while that entry area is gerudo.
Liked specifically because of the word vomit that he left in at 10:20. I love channels that don't take themselves too seriously. Well done, sir.
Man, you're good. Love your videos, thank you for your hard work!
Not related to the 8th heroine....and it may be nothing, but I feel like the ancient tree stump has to have some kind of theory behind its origins. Was it the original location of the great Deku tree, or maybe a previous incarnation??
Or maybe I’m just an idiot and this has been addressed. Thought I’d ask!
The ancient stump and the adjacent stages temple ruins in the Giants forest are definitely the remnants of the kokiri forest and forest temple respectively from OOT.
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Too late? 😉
Alright I'm almost two years late, but I think it all adds up. In another video by another TH-camr someone talked about how there was a fortune teller who predicted the return of Calamity Ganon. This is what led to King Rhoam asking for the Sheikah's helping in unearthing their ancient technology. This fortune teller would have to be close to King Rhoam to make him do this after they alienated the Sheikah into two tribes, those who were loyal to the crown and those who weren't. But when Calamity Ganon attacked he used this technology against them. Calamity Ganon also attacked at the perfect time when all of the Champions were away from their Divine Beasts which resulted in them having to split up to return them. This to them being easily picked off by the Blights. Now back before the 2nd Great Calamity there were Sheikah researchers who assisted in the unearthing and studying of the ancient Sheikah tech such as Robbie, Impa, and Purah. Now back to the fortune teller, they were likely a Sheikah just like Madame Fanadi from Twilight Princess who also was a Sheikah. While reading Robbie's Memoirs he talks about another Sheikah named Cherry who was his first love. Maybe Cherry or another Sheikah was the fortune teller and she actually wasn't loyal to the crown anymore but hid their allegiance to the Yiga so they could devise a plan to help Calamity Ganon and the Yiga Clan. So they would tell King Rhoam, so he would unearth all the ancient tech which Calamity Ganon could then take control of to destroy Hyrule. The last 8th statue could have been a female Sheikah and if the Gerudo could of found out about this plot they could have moved the statue to the Gerudo Highlands to symbolize that they banished the Sheikah and all those associated with them. Maybe...
I was wondering about the Eighth Heroine statue. There was a line said by the leader of the Yiga Clan about how he learned special techniques from his family bloodline. Maybe after the Yiga Clan was formed, the first (or somewhere down the line) leader had used a special technique to teleport the Eighth Heroine statue from the ruins to the Gerudo Highlands. Possibly out of spite.
what if the eighth statue wasn't made at the same time and abandoned, but made after the others and abandoned for another reason (e.g. an "interruption", like the calamity for example)? if the hero of time really was forgotten, could the statue be the result of the person in gerudo town who is intrigued by the heroines doing some research and (somehow) finding out about the hero of time, and creating the statue by their own means? obviously, there are some things this doesn't explain, but it's interesting to think about
thekingofengland hmmmmm could be!
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Haha, welcome to the channel! xD
Little late here, but I support the eighth statue being The Hero of Time for sure. He basically bailed on Hyrule after his adventure in OOT, and was obviously missing from the adult timeline, so it would make sense that in any branch of the timeline that he would be a type of 'defector'. He was the rogue that people still remembered fondly, and whose legacy people continually preserved even when he arguably failed the public by not showing up prior to Wind Waker
OH MY GOD THE 8TH HEROINE IS TOTALLY THE ENTRANCE TO A DUNGEON IN THE 2ND GAME THAT WOULD BE AWESOME I think it will be botw 2's spirit tempo it even has a giant statue (possibly with hookshot-able nipples like the original)
Nice theory but I think the soul stone belongs to Black Panther
Oh wait we’re not talking about Marvel
Banana Person I actually think High Priestess Ayesha has it, from Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
Im pretty sure thats true, but like you said, thats Marvel, and this is Legends of Zelda.
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Your still not right even in marvel lol
Black Panther did not have the soul stone.
There are four godesses, each having 2 different egos(hyrule and lorule). Considering their powerful magic they could be considered Sages. I just made this theory, so I'm still working on it
Dude! I'm only in the 1st 2 mins of this video and I love it!! You're so cool and nice about constructive criticism :) and your theories are quite interesting. You my good sir have earned yourself a subscriber!
I was wondering about the Seven Heroines too!!! May I just say this is very well organized & thought out...Hopefully we'll get more information about them in the sequel!! That would be wonderful!!
Hmmm the text is reversed.... Breath Of the wild 2 trailer has... REVERSED AUDIO!!!!!!!
Heroin dungeon confirmed
Its not reversed
@@ipablol the gerudo script on the 8th heroine is reversed. Also there are air vents at the foot of that statue. Could indicate something else below the statue or at the base of it?
@@TheDeluche he means the audio. Reverse the audio in the trailer and it's still just weird creepy music
@@TheDeluche i meant the trailer audio
I'm a year late, but neither of these videos ever answered why the eight heroines can't just be 8 legendary people in Gerudo folklore that haven't been referenced in other games before
Thats boring though
@@BegitoBrah No. What's boring is saying that everything has to be a reference to something that has gone before and nothing can be new.
One thing to remember in all of this is that the stories we know are legends. The stories are told to the in game people over time. It has been 10000+ since the other games. Heck it could even be 50000 years since four swords adventures and even longer for the other games.
Many things could be lost in translation. Or mistranslated.
You have to interpret much information instead of tying them together
4:20 the room is said in game to be an excavation site that was taken over by the Yiga
What if the eighth sage is the mother of ganondorf.
I feel like we are gonna get more info in botw 2
I just commented this on the first video but I’ll say it again here:
It seems to me that their was a group of eight people, maybe all women or maybe not, that could have been sages or just warriors that the Gerudo held in high esteem, and then one of those warriors was a Sheikah who defected and maybe even was a founding member/important leader to the Yiga clan. The Yiga kept her statue, while the Gerudo got rid of it
OH OH OR the Yiga themselves are the ones who moved it-AND it kind of seems that the inscription on the Yiga statues is meant to be the original one and the one on the bigger statues was meant to cover something up, meaning that they could have intentionally carved it backwards before the statue was stolen/discarded to show that it was no longer the same as the others.
I really like the theories presented in these videos too, this is just what I could come up with
i said this in the first video too but what IF the eighth heroine is actually the leader of the sages from lorule , the opposite of hyrule. that could be why everything is backwards on the one statue. could be why yuga was able to have 8 sages.
this theory fits well with the identities of the sages from LBW
good lord i enjoy these
I dont think Link was the forgotten hero in this game because everyone knew who he was 100 years prior. What if the Yiga clan built this as a tribute to Ganon because the Gerudo could not acknowledge him as a heroine? From BotW the yiga clan was created when calamity happened. Plus the design of the 8th statue looks different from the 7 statues as if it wasn't done by the Gerudos.
Jennifer Thacker the hero of time is different from the link in BotW
I think that the 8th heroine is ganon but he's not with the other heroine statues becaus hes a bad guy and can't be with the other heroine's so it's built in a cold snowy place far away from the other statues...
Maybe he's not holding a sword because he's a bad guy or because he is beaten by Link (my opinion)
8:35 i noticed there was no sage of time, and you had just said that many people believed that ZELDA was the sage of time.
If you go back to one of your older videos, you stated that Link's champion ability was slowing down TIME. And, he also has time traveled in previous games, so he could be the 8th heroine. Also ( However this may seem very farfetched, just hear me out ) there is a chance that Link in Breath of the Wild is indeed left handed because ( I don't remember which Zelda theorist TH-camr made this theory, I think it was Zeltik ) when Link parries he puts out like thousands of pounds of force to be able to parry and even set back a Lynel, and he ALSO carries his shield in his left hand. He can't even put out that much force with his sword hand. You mentioned in the video that it could be Link as the 8th heroine. This is just some supporting evidence. However the 8th heroine held the sword in its left hand, so that may not be it. Just trying to add something to this theory
Statue: is of a heroine
NBC: picks two guys for the identity of the statue
Tfw botw was your first zelda game and you have no idea what's going on when watching theory videos that bring up other games.
Oof RIP dude. You missing out on some quality gaming. Skyward Sword, Ocarina of Time, Twilight Princess, and Windwaker are definitely games I would recommend
Caution! Link at 2:55 is not working (no pun intended)!
Sadao Maybe it works in a parallel universe
I think the big hole in a lot of the theories on who the eighth heroine could be is the reversed writing on the statue, I think that’s the biggest detail. The only theories that I see working are either that this heroine was considered evil, some kind of doppelgänger of one of the other heroines, that it had something to do with the mirror of Twilight and that maybe it’s Midna (since the reversed text could symbolize the Twlight, which is almost an opposite world), or that the heroine is Hilda from a Link Between Worlds (since everything about Lorule is a mirror of Hyrule). My gut tells me that it’s one of the first two, however, because when you first said that the text was completely reversed in the last video, I just got really eery vibes from that. Like the symbol of the Yiga Clan, and a number of different reversed symbols in the real world, it usually signifies the complete opposite of the original symbol. It reminded me of the evil goddess statue in Hateno, which looks very similar to the other statues but is VERY different. Maybe this heroine is related to that statue, and committed some sort of taboo. A supernatural explanation might explain how the entire statue itself became reversed, or if it was built by the heroine’s followers and was intentionally built that way. In any case, I just I don’t really get a hero of time vibe from the eighth heroine statue, and I just find it kind of creepy. It almost feels like it was banished, and off into the coldest area of Hyrule. So I just don’t really see Link fitting that, it might be someone that has never even been mentioned in Zelda history.
I’ve been trying to think outside the box or as an outsider to the Zelda lore to see if anything would come to mind. One thought I’ve had is that if the heroines are Gerudo legend, perhaps they were Gerudo heroines, the mother’s that produced the sole male every hundred years who was destined to be their king. That gives 700 years for a lineage to establish but then Demise’s curse was created and the eighth heroine was the mother of the first reincarnation, Ganondorf, and therefore expunged from history as the Gerudo eventually sided against Ganondorf. Then the heroines from that time on became or joined the Seven Sages that includes the other races. . .
Is the script written in the Gerudo Throne Room on the Throne connected in any way? I feel like if there is clear proof of what the statues have to say it must be in there. It seems suspicious to me?
Anyone noticed how Raru looks like the headmaster from skyward sword? might explain flight...
Yeah that's on purpose to link the games
YES I LOVE THIS
Also he is literally an owl........
I think the reason the Yiga “worship” the eighth statue (being link, as you stated in the video) is because they want to kill him, that’s like, all they try to do in the game, also could be why they covered *all* of the statues including the eighth one (whichever that one may be)
This makes no sense at all. I have no idea how you conclude that "wanting to kill" is an example of "worship," and this is just contradicting by the evidence, since it is explicitly stated multiple times that they worship Ganon. Since this is the only being they worship, this is the only possible identity of the 8th Heroine. The only alleged "flaw" with this is that the hideout does include 8 statues. However, this is not a valid counterargument: this objection assumes that the statues in the hideout indeed correspond to that of the heroines, but there is literally no evidence for that. This is just an assumption that NBC that went unchallenged.
I had wished this would go back to the Oracle games for a second, but worth it for the character that creeps me out!
You need soooooooooooooooooooooo many more subs!!!
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That's actually true.
Who's here after the eight heroine side quest from TOTK?
I'm here and any and every theory ever made before that game came out was better than whatever the hell this side quest was...
I think BotW takes place in ALttP Dark World, so the sages could actually be the seven maidens, and the 8th is link who's kind of forgotten by Gerudo people because he's a man. His statue is reversed because he went there using the mirror, the maidens were sent by Agahnim.
That could also explain Lost Woods being screwed, I guess.
BUT, Bozai states a nickname: The Bronze Giant... a Goron? That would totally fit the theory about the mountain lord.
He also said someone in Gerudo might know about the seven heroines, I'm totally checking it again when I get home, this is the best puzzle ever.
One possibility is that the Seven Heroines represent the seven generations of Princess Zelda in the Fallen Hero timeline. When I looked at the timeline int he Zelda Encyclopedia, I thought it might be possible that The Seven Heroines could represent the incarnations of Zelda from Skyward Sword, Minish Cap, Four Swords, Ocarina of Time, Link To The Past, Link Between Worlds and finally the original Legend of Zelda (Nes). Following this train of thought, there are two possibilities for the 8th Heroine.
1- She represents the ancient Princess Zelda from Zelda II, who had been asleep for centuries (and forgotten by all but the Royal family) until Link was sent on a journey to awaken her.
2- The 8th Heroine could represent Hilda of Lorule, an other worldly counterpart to Zelda.
That could be it
Congrats on 11k I can’t even pass 90 subs that’s an achievement I love all these theory’s
VEX GAMES Thanks! Don't give up, for 5 years I just did lps and only got 450 subs out of that, so it takes a LOT of time and dedication to grow
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I think it was Ganondorf to, but for different reasons. He once disguised himself as a Gerudo so that they would follow him, which would make sense why he would be in the group of eight sages. They respected his ideas because he had disguised himself so he got added to the group and the carvers started making his statue. Once they found out about his true identity they stopped carving his statue and just left it there with the sword scattered. The statues in the Yiga clan hideout are all done because they were smaller. Once the Yiga moved in, they covered all the statues faces even though Ganondorf was one of them, because they didn't know it was him. I don't know if this is true, but whatever! Hopefully this makes sense.
Woah that's cool to know that the owl in OoT is a reincarnation of Rauru because on a subconscious level he always reminded me of the owl.