About the one handed fireballs, Oro just became an even bigger legend in my eyes. Dude throws casual plasma out of his finger and if he uses 2 hands it's a goddamn spirit bomb
I think In the lore him and Akuma are the same on power levels, they fought for like a hundred days and they said they’d just kill each other so they stopped
@@whirl3690 So sick. I always forget he's just beating everyones ass with one arm. Even cooler, he switches the side of the amputation as needed for combat
Some fun etymology and details of some characters: Ryu's name in Japanese literally means "Dragon". Sagat practices a style of Muay Thai themed after tigers (a reference to Thai mythology). In Chinese folklore dragons and tigers are considered rivals, representing opposing sides of Yin and Yang (crouching tiger, hidden dragon). The Japanese word "Ryūko" (龍虎) is assembled from the characters for tiger (虎) and dragon (龍) and literally means "fierce rivals". The Japanese word for fist is "Ken". Ryu (the dragon) has stronger fireballs, while Ken (the fist) has stronger uppercuts. Dan's uppercut "Koryuken" (晃龍拳, or "Brilliant Dragon Fist") is clearly based off of the Shoryuken (rising dragon fist), but the animation is visiually closer to Sagat's "Tiger Uppercut". The Japanese kanji for tiger "虎" can be pronounced both as "とら" (tora) or "こ" (ko). Because 晃 and 虎 are pronounced the same, you could interpret koryuken as meaning "tiger dragon fist" which is roughly equivalent to "Ryūko no Ken" (Fist of Fierce Rivals). This would not only be a reference to Dan's one-sided rivalry with Sagat (possibly copying the move from Sagat as a means to defeat him), but also a reference to "Art of Fighting", which is known as "Ryūko no Ken" in Japan.
I slowed down Remy's Super I and noticed that the final stage has three projectiles come from one hand. THREE PROJECTILES FROM ONE HAND. Forget Oro's massive/lock on Projectile and everyone who can do one handed projectiles. This Edge Lord is far more powerful than anyone wants to give credit for.
In 3rd Strike Oro has red eyes like Akuma but they also glint blue, implying that he has mastery of both Satsui no Hado and the power of nothingness and relies on both simultaneously, which in turn hints that the ideal state of mind for fighting is a cohesion of both, this is reinforced by Gill's theme of opposing forces working together. I absolutely love this detail about 3rd strike, it has real merit concerning competitive games like this and other types of competitions, basically keeping a clear head makes it easier to analyze and see what's going on but having the drive to win is just as important.
Oro's art is called "senjutsu", which is supposedly one of the most advanced and rigorous techniques to learn. He also has incredibly advanced knowledge and mastery of ki, which grants him the ability to use basically any form of hado or other fireball magic he likes, as they all derive from the same source. I entirely agree on your other point, though. Naturally I play at my worst when I'm angry and distracted and better when I'm calm and focused, but I arguably play at my best when I'm "dry angry" and in this proper state of focused bloodlust. I even used the same satsui no hado + mu no ken analogy when I came up with this a few years back.
Eh, Haoh and Shinku Gadoken show how strong they COULD be, but because he abandoned his training, Dan will always be bad. (Fun fact, Dan's Dankukyaku, his version of the Tatsumaki Senpukyaku, references the Hien Shippu Kyaku, which is another move that Ryo, Robert, and Takuma (Ryo's dad) use.)
it should also be noted that Dan has so many taunt and a super taunt option because that's the most direct jab at the art of fighting and its mechanics. In the art of fighting games you would loose meter to you opponent taunting, they'd loose meter on frame one so there was no punishment for doing that (though i can't remember if you can cancel them)
One thing I think that's also interesting is that a big joke with Dan is that lorewise, he has the possibility to be the strongest fighter in history. He can even use the Satsui no Hadou like Ryu can according to the comics. This is why he one hands fireballs- he has the potential to be an incredible martial artist. Too bad he's an idiot.
I like to think he actually puts in a lot of work he just applies himself wrong. I think his dads was probably a really good teacher he’s just too stupid to get anything from it.
In SFV they took this concept a step further by having Dan’s “copied” moves be bad, but making unique moves really good. Implying that if Dan actually committed to his own style he’d be incredibly strong.
Their themes are also parallels of each other’s. If you play the two together in sync they form a new song. This is generally hard to notice because akumas actual theme only plays in arcade mode. He gets a weird sf4 remix in vs battles.
It feels like Dan tried to skip straight to master level with his fireballs, partly because he wanted to rush to get revenge, and partly because his training was cut short by Gouken. Sakura is an example of someone trying to learn the Shoto arts the right way, and succeeding at it.
Exactly. Even though Dan just started off purely as a riff on Ryo and Robert, as his story filled out you can tell they worked details like this into his story.
@That Frosty Ape Dan's father's name is Go Hibiki ;) That recollection of his background is otherwise on point though. Another very likely reason he throws fireballs with one hand is indicative of his personality: because he has a delusional level of self confidence. If throwing fireballs with one hand is a sign of further mastery of them (as is evidenced by almost every canonically top tier character throwing them one-handed), it makes sense that Dan would think himself above using two hands. His inflated sense of self worth doesn't allow him to see that his fireballs are trash because of it haha. It's totally "Dan" to think that he can jump right into one-handed fireballs and skip the basics, because that's basically what Saikyou-ryu is; Dan has the base of Go Hibiki's fighting style that he was taught from a young age, but otherwise he essentially added Ansatsuken and Muay Thai to Saikyou-ryu without actually having any technical mastery of even the basics. He's just mimicking what he's seen. Adding techniques to your style can totally make it better, but not when you don't actually know how to do those techniques properly haha.
@@sadowolf This is totally unrelated to sf and videogames in general but I am gonna use this analysys of yours to point out that the consequences of overconfidence are preferable to those of not having confidence specially if you are a warrior, or a soldier, or anything that might put your life on the line.
Also, Sean. I know everyone thinks Sean is a joke from 3S, but if you compare Sean to Alpha or SF4 Sakura, they're actually pretty similar in terms of skill
I like how as the games progress, Chun-Li goes from no fireball, to a moderate one, to a stronger-ish one. But I can't remember if she ever gets full screen...
not full screen, but covering about 25% of the screen with a violent surging orb. Kikosho is her single most powerful technique. i think most of her range is curved in an arc purposefully through her technique. she can slip past longer range fighters like vega and sagat and counter/ cross up by mixing her fast attacks with her elusive aerial abilities. i dont think maxing linear range is part of her plan anywhere near as much as arcs and angles.
season 5 of SFV added a bicycle kick to Ken's moves, which shows us where Sean got it from. Obviously, he could also have learned from Laura but we all know he abandoned her Jiu Jitsu in favor of Ken's version of Ansatsuken. Speaking of kicks, it's interesting to see how Sakura and Sean have adapted the tatsumaki technique for themselves. Sean has a much easier time staying airborne but has to use both legs in order to hit the opponent multiple times while Sakura can score multiple hits while barely staying airborne and sometimes even doing so on the ground so she can do more damage, as seen with her SFIV super. This might be due to their difference in martial arts training before learning Ansatsuken, since Sean was already learning Jiu Jitsu and Sakura knew nothing of martial arts prior to getting to know Ryu
Ken's bicycle kick originates from CvS2, btw. So Ken debuted with it first technically speaking. Im not sure if CvS2 is canon to SF storyline, but the fact that the move first appears there is something to note
@@DanielReyes-kv8ek CVS2 is a "dream battle" as the announcer mentions during the character select screen and some of the transition screens, it is not canon
That's a good comparison. How I see it is that Sean (in SF3) and Sakura (in SF4) are actually equally skilled. However, the difference is their strengths and weaknesses. Sean has power-he does know some Matsuda Jiu-Jutsu (which is largely grappling), and his overall damage is actually pretty good, even in 3S. The problem is that Sean lacks technique. He can't properly do a Tatsu, he has to use brute force with both legs to stay airborne. Sakura is the opposite. Neither she or Sean have formal training, but Sakura learned directly from Ryu. Her weakness is strength. She's not as physically strong, both due to small size and inexperience. As such, she can do a proper Tatsu, but the lack of strength means she can't stay airborne as long. Another example is their Hadokens. Sean can't consistently do a Hadoken, but when he does, it's always powerful (a super). Sakura can do a consistent Hadoken, but it's weaker than Ryu’s because it dissipates.
If Dan’s Japanese dialogue is on, he’ll scream out “Saikyoryu-ougi!” in the same way that all of the Kyokugen fighters in AOF / KOF will scream out “Kyokugenryu-ougi!” when they do said super. Another fun poke at SNK
Gen moves was transferred in part to Yun and Yang, especially yang who took it more to heart but Yun stylized his own, I think it is in the comics that Gen is related to them or rather took them in to help in his restaurant
Yes, I felt that way too! Gen and Chun Li's dad trained together, I think they have all trained with one another at some point but I'll have to read up about their back stories again. Like you said I believe they hung out around the restaurant.
@@Choom89 Lee from the first game is their uncle and master. According to the World Warrior Encyclopedia, Lee was friends with Gen, which is probably why Yun & Yang know Chun-Li. Also, Rufus has a very similar fighting style to Yun & Yang (including a few shared moves), and it says in his bio he trained in China. Therefore, Rufus might be a student of Lee.
A fun fact: Akira Yuki from the Virtua Fighter series shares the fighting of Yun and Yang. Every move Akira has done can clearly be seen in Yun and Yang.
@@jme-james Akira Yuki in Virtua Fighter 2 predates Yun and Yang by several years in SF3, but they Yun definitely has moves of the same martial art, Ba Ji Quan
@@chrxnxmn7624 I thought I said that already? But Yun AND yang does moves Akira has already done. Akira does the double palm which the twins both do. Akira does the up kicks which both the twins do. Akira does the shoulder thing and You Hou, which Yun does. And alot of the normals the twin does looks like Akira's normals as well.
@Aran Ryan No. Oro has two arms. He binds his dominant arm with a magic spell that he can break at any time so his opponents have a fighting chance and make things interesting. He has more powerful "unleashed" versions of his supers have him use both arms if you use two punch buttons on the input instead of one.
On the topic of Dan's fireballs, it's simply because he has poor form, not because he's a weak hado user. Dan has THE most powerful (Uncharged) basic fireballs out of the the entire cast (With a damage of 70 over the average 60). The fact that they dissipate due to poor form can be surmised from Oni's fireballs dissipating: Oni is Akuma overcome with violent intent, and therefore doesn't think as much during a fight. If anything, Dan might (potentially) be the most powerful hado user, unless what he's doing is substituting range for power in his fireballs without realizing, although Oni's fireballs still only hit for 60 damage. In either case, he's up to snuff when it comes to weird energy abilities.
RoosterCogburnPhD nah he definitely has the weakest hado, he can't even sustain the satsui no hado after tripping over a *b a c k p a c k* Also the base damage for a fireball is 70 (i.e. Ryu and Ken), not 60
I actually think that might have to do more with his outlook on life rather than any form of weakness. The Satsui no Hado in the comics (Where this happens) is less of something just Ryu and Akuma have its something *everyone* Has, Sakura uses a it a bit, Its implied Sagats scar kinda gives him a similar hate boost. Dan is too goofy to actually sustain that hateful outlook. (At least, that's partly how the comics portrayed it.) Dan had potential he wasted. I mean his dad was the guy who took out Sagat's eye. Dans father was probs stronger then Alpha Ryu
I think it's mentioned in the UDON comics when Charlie was teaching Guile to throw Sonic Booms that he noted Guile would never gain enough mastery to throw Sonic Booms one handed because of his bad temper. Guile didn't care and just adapted.
@@anarking5764 I say no because it being an install means it requires meter and is only temporary while Nash and Remy never need meter for one-handed booms. It's like how Sean in SF3 can only throw a hadouken as a Super. That's not mastery, that's pushing beyond your limits for a short minute.
It's not really a Fan theory Dan learned Muy Thai, he was taught by his father, Go Hibiki, who was a very strong fighter, and the one who Took Sagat's eye. That's why his style melds Shotokan and Muy thai, since he takes his incomplete teaching from Gouken and his father.
Abel’s eyes change to something similar to Seth’s while performing Soulless, but his hits are kinda weak up until he gains control again and body slams the opponent his way.
Seth's QCB K move has the same name as Chun Li's lightning kick, however he does it better than her(only to appear he kicked once but he actually kick multiple times extremely fast). Therefore we can assume that when Shadoloo was getting data for the Tanden Engine, they actually got Chun Li's dad who could do lightning legs that fast. And since Charlie is alive(or was alive) on SF5, it could be safe to say that Chun Li's dad is alive somewhere.
This is awesome, you really should keep going with videos like this. A lot of people in the FGC are quick to bark at people who give a shit about SF's lore, but it really can be interesting and it makes connecting to your main a lot more fun, at least in my opinion. Something I think is interesting; Ryu's normals and fireballs are so powerful because he is so synchronized with his own willpower. However, despite Dan's fireballs being so short-ranged, they actually do even greater damage than Ryu's, implying that perhaps Dan has an even stronger connection to his inner will. Take all this as you may.
I always wondered if the Seth/Abel/Gill/Urien connection was intentional or not. I never even picked up on the Vega and Dolls relationship, however. Dope video.
Bafael: "In the Street Fighter universe, throwing fireballs with one hand is considered to be a very rare skill and indicative of martial arts mastery" Omega Ken: "Bro do you even?"
Meanwhile, Guile is in SFV throwing one handed booms, air booms, leg booms, big booms, sideways booms.. I guess Nash dying was the perfect opportunity for Guile to catch up
@@fortidogi8620 That's not taking into account the difference in power between a Hadoken and an Air Slasher. I assume Goken had to train for a long time and overcome the Hado in order to acquire multi-hit one handed fireballs. Deejay, on the other hand, probably has weaker fireballs lore wise
Corpse Senpai I’m starting to feel like Guile stole some of the moves Nash was supposed to get or sumthin. Ain’t Nash supposed to be the offensive and Guile defensive?
@@tcole2475 That's when, canonically, Charlie was more experienced than Guile. But, Charlie has been dead for a while, so it makes more sense for Guile to have more boom related tools than Charlie.
Ed and Menat are foils of eachother in terms of gameplay. Ed is conceptually easier to use while Menat isn’t. Ed borrows stuff from his Mentor Balrog (Such as Psycho Knuckle/Dash Straight, Psycho Swing/Turn Punch) while also mixing it up by pouring psycho power like Bison does, indicating a bit that he’s closer towards being corrupted by Bison since it’s shown in some material that Psycho power corrupts people the more they use it (It’s why Nash suspects that he along with his team should be exterminated, then again that might’ve been his rage talking). Menat in the other hand uses a unique style while borrowing stuff from Rose, her teacher while nothing indicates on any sort of corruption happening. Actually, Ed’s story is played more serious and depressing while Menats is played more light hearted.
i would love to see more of these kinds of lore videos. it would be nice to see a hub of sorts where we could actually establish timelines and events as a community. and i dont think i can think of a better place to do it than on your channel baf with how tight nit we all are.
Always liked picking up these types of things across the SF series. When Dan first debuted he was a lot more of a subtle jab at Ryo and Robert, and even though he wasn't the best, he wasn't framed as an inferior joke character. By SF4 they were all in on it, and that's why he shares so many more similarities with them and it at his silliest. I haven't seen the video about him learning Muay Thai, but I remember even back to his debut noticing that his some of his kicks were more similar to Sagat's than other shotos, and the word was initially that Go Hibiki was a Muay Thai fighter like Sagat so that was Dan's base, and in order to separate himself from the art that led to his father's death he went to learn ansatsuken and was banished by Gouken because of his vengeful motives. The other theory was that his base was similar to the style of shotos (especially since the depictions of Go that would come out showed him wearing a gi like the shotos), and he learned Muay Thai along the way to pick up Sagat's techniques to better best him. In either scenario he was rejected by Gouken for his motives and used what he had learned there combined with some Muay Thai and his original karate base to ultimately create the Saikyou-Ryu.
I like these videos because they take time to point out the details developers put into the games that go unnoticed by most. I would imagine they think “Thanks for being a fan”
Ryu donkey kick kick looks similar to Gokuen focus attack, but only at first glance. In fact, Gokuen performs side kick (basically stand with his side forward , rises leg and throw it sideways), while Ryu performs like a fusion of turning back kick (basically, tour your back to opponent, bend you knee and throw it straight behind you) and wheel kick (also turn your back, but use horizontal turning momentum to perform a kick). Three kinda similar, but distinct kick. Also, in SFV Ryu drops turning his back and just does sidekick, just like Gokuen. Then again we are speaking about the game where grappling is reduced to throws and major part of game is throwing fireballs, so I'm not supprised creators are not fighters themself.
Ryu’s Focus Attack isn’t exactly lore accurate due to timing, but it’s a reference to his Kaze no Ken technique he develops on the Ryu Final manga (which happens after 3S). It kinda breaks the lore but it’s a nice nod. The manga is sick btw, well worth reading.
Dan = Theorized to use Muay Thai to try and get revenge on Sagat. Adon = Uses Muay Thai to try and get revenge on Sagat for how hypocritical he was *Imagine the teamup of Dan and Adon.*
Wouldn't work. Both are massive egomaniacs wanting the spotlight with Dan being a goofy blowhard and Adon is arrogant and homicidal. They'd fight each other more than their opponents.
Unlikely, though. While both characters are incredibly arrogant, Adon does have the strenght and skill to back it up, and as he sees himself as the king of Muay Thai, he probably doesn't even take Dan seriously. Now that SF6 is out I wonder what became of Adon.
When you compare Urien and Gill, their moves are very similar but their input for doing special moves show what kind of characters they are and establish their fighting prowess. Urien needs to charge for his special moves, implying he needs to focus to perform special moves, most likely due to his short temper. Gill can however perform his moves effortlessly with a motion input. When Urien is blocking in 3s, there is a distinct metallic sound heard compared to the rest of the cast when blocking. This metallic sound isn't heard in V (implying progress?)
You're almost right, but SFV actually takes place _before_ the events of SF3 and 3rd strike, so it's more than likely just an oversight The metallic sound might have just been a means to communicate that Urien, though appearing human, was ultimately another weapon created by The Secret Society
@@pacman10124 it also likely has to do with how urien seems to have a constant metallic coating using his magnetic powers, while in sfv he needs to use a vskill mid match to get that and it dissipates once he uses his tackle once.
Another Fun Fact: Ryu's VA in Third Strike is Gouken's Japanese VA, which is fitting since Gouken's supers are The Denjin Hadouken, and the Shin Shoryuken.
Hi Bafael, Here are some points you may want to mention if you do this type of video again. #1. Makoto's dash punch is performed by the fighter on the China Wall stage in SF1. #2. Sakura's Tatsus angles downwards like Ryu/Ken's SF1 Tatus. #3. Balrog's TAP damage output equals the amount of damage Mike outputs with his Normals in SF1. Consider: When Hakan performs a back Throw he positions body in a way that hides his thumb being inserted into his opponent's anus as mentioned in the Turkish Oil Wrestling documentary available on TH-cam. Hakan was created as a representation of the world champion of that time.
Not exactly the same, but he did a video on supers a while back, where old supers from SF Alpha and 3 became EX Specials and stuff on SFV (For example, Ryu's EX Tatsu was a super in the Alpha games)
Genuine Angus Beef in 4 she does a different animation for light, medium and heavy fireballs. Light and medium use 1 hand and heavy (and ex) use both hands.
If I remember correctly, the biggest joke about Dan is that Saikyo Style is actually some ancient martial arts form capable of easily surpassing Ansatsuken, but Dan makes it looks like a shitshow because he tries too hard to incorporate Ryu and Ken's moves into it.
My personal favourite is Ryu's jumping medium punch, which hits twice. This is a move he's had since SFA. Akuma has it too, since in SFA his moveset was basically an amalgamation of all the best shoto normals. Gouken was introduced in SSF4 and guess what, j.MP hits twice - presumably this was his move originally. And now in SFV, Sagat now has the same move! It's a great bit of plot: Sagat has gone from hating Ryu to grudging respect, and now he's straight-up emulating him. Ryu learned it from Gouken; Sagat learned it from Ryu.
I'm pretty sure Abel, Urien, and Seth share similar sweeps and Abel and Seth both have step kicks (maybe a stretch). And you could talk about similarities between Rufus and the twins. Guile being Remy's father, similarities with the twins and gen, and Gen and Chun
Here’s some real Dan lore: Dan is so incredibly versed in martial arts he has to hold himself back every time he performs a move. The reason Gadoken seems so pitiful is because he’s dialing it down so that he doesn’t kill his opponent when he uses it. We can see a vision of Dan’s true strength when he uses Haoh Gadoken. He accidentally unleashes 5% of his normal power, and in his weakened stance, it throws him off and tosses him to the other side of the screen.
My favorite detail that I've noticed is that the scars on evil ryus chest and back seem to indicate that he got hit by oni's ultra 1 full animation Maybe getting hit by it is what caused ryu to tap into satsui no hado; evil ryu only exists in the universe oni exists in
I just remembered another personal speculation of mine. In SF1, Ryu has red hair, while in all subsequent appearances it's black, otherwise everything is seemingly as normal in his appearance. In SF4, Evil Ryu's 3rd color scheme is the same as Ryu's in SF1. Considering how in the canon, Ryu momentarily changed into Evil Ryu to deliver the finishing illegal shoryuken upon Sagat which gave him his scar, I'm left with the impression that perhaps by later games it is implied that in SF1 you are actually playing as Evil Ryu.
Chaf Cancel no it did not as far as I know cause most stuff in SF 1 is Canon especially the scar and the encounter between Sagat and Ryu and him using the dark hado fuled upper cut
She makes multiple references of other fighting games characters I just can't list. But in KoF14, not only she makes a reference of Dan's Haou Gadouken but his Shissou Buraiken as well.
I thought it was cool that Oni's ultra 2 "Tenchi Sokaigen" is like an allusion to Akuma's Super "Kongou Kokuretsu Zan" in Street Fighter 3. Seems like Akuma learned how to do the move later on in his life without having to go crazy.
suppose you could talk about one of guile's alternate costumes (i forgot which one) which is a direct reference to D.Dark from the EX series, though that's more of an easter egg
Man if it aint obvious enough... i didnt realise they use robert's face and ryo's moveset to create dan... i only tot its to mock ryo only... omg... i have staring at them since the 90s... love ur vids... always telling me something new i haven notice... 👍👍👍 This reminds me yuri got shin shoyruken and raging demon in kof 2001... 🤣🤣🤣
an interesting detail with Dan is that the joke of him being a parody of Ryo and Robert was also aknowledged by SNK. In SNK Vs Capcom Chaos, Terry unintentionally mistakes Dan for Robert, and in KoF 2000, Robert has a secret striker mode (called Another Robert) that sees him wearing a white Gi and acting similarly to Dan (plus, using the second palette with Ryo will see Robert use a pink colored Gi, just like Dan's). In Capcom Vs SNK 2, Dan have a secret intro againts Yuri, referencing the fact he have the same cheery and happy go lucky attitude as her. In Street Fighter V they made him deal more damage by having him using original moves instead of the parodied ones, wich is mostly self-awareness of re-using the same moves rather than just a parody on SNK.
Dan's normals bare an extremely close resemblance to Kage's normals, as well as some traits like pitiful Hadoukens. Since Kage is the physical embodiment of the Satsui no Hadou, and Dan has been said before to have an extreme affinity for the Satsui no Hadou (Gouken kicked him out for having evil intent behind his training), it could be said that Dan is accidentally stumbling his way into a raw, natural mastery of the Satsui no Hadou.
About the one handed fireballs, Oro just became an even bigger legend in my eyes. Dude throws casual plasma out of his finger and if he uses 2 hands it's a goddamn spirit bomb
I think In the lore him and Akuma are the same on power levels, they fought for like a hundred days and they said they’d just kill each other so they stopped
@@simons9264 And Oro was still only using one hand throughout their battle.
@@whirl3690 So sick. I always forget he's just beating everyones ass with one arm. Even cooler, he switches the side of the amputation as needed for combat
legend
@@whirl3690 yes but Akuma wasn't going all out either. They both sensed that going all out would result in both of there deaths
Some fun etymology and details of some characters:
Ryu's name in Japanese literally means "Dragon".
Sagat practices a style of Muay Thai themed after tigers (a reference to Thai mythology).
In Chinese folklore dragons and tigers are considered rivals, representing opposing sides of Yin and Yang (crouching tiger, hidden dragon). The Japanese word "Ryūko" (龍虎) is assembled from the characters for tiger (虎) and dragon (龍) and literally means "fierce rivals".
The Japanese word for fist is "Ken". Ryu (the dragon) has stronger fireballs, while Ken (the fist) has stronger uppercuts.
Dan's uppercut "Koryuken" (晃龍拳, or "Brilliant Dragon Fist") is clearly based off of the Shoryuken (rising dragon fist), but the animation is visiually closer to Sagat's "Tiger Uppercut". The Japanese kanji for tiger "虎" can be pronounced both as "とら" (tora) or "こ" (ko). Because 晃 and 虎 are pronounced the same, you could interpret koryuken as meaning "tiger dragon fist" which is roughly equivalent to "Ryūko no Ken" (Fist of Fierce Rivals). This would not only be a reference to Dan's one-sided rivalry with Sagat (possibly copying the move from Sagat as a means to defeat him), but also a reference to "Art of Fighting", which is known as "Ryūko no Ken" in Japan.
Ryu’s name is a different kanji however, meaning Prosperity, but the Kanji for Prosperity and Dragon are pronounced identically
@@realchezboi True. I should have clarified that. Seems to be some wordplay on their part.
damn meowskulls, that shit goes dummy, thank you.
I slowed down Remy's Super I and noticed that the final stage has three projectiles come from one hand. THREE PROJECTILES FROM ONE HAND. Forget Oro's massive/lock on Projectile and everyone who can do one handed projectiles. This Edge Lord is far more powerful than anyone wants to give credit for.
If Ryu throws 10 hadokens that's technically 5 projectiles with 1 hand.
@@adre2194 damn did you have to just end the man’s whole career the second it took off like that
Well there's is one character that can do one hand projectiles and well it's one of the worst characters in sf4
@@KaliTheThunder ah yes oni
@@stolensentience Dan too
In 3rd Strike Oro has red eyes like Akuma but they also glint blue, implying that he has mastery of both Satsui no Hado and the power of nothingness and relies on both simultaneously, which in turn hints that the ideal state of mind for fighting is a cohesion of both, this is reinforced by Gill's theme of opposing forces working together.
I absolutely love this detail about 3rd strike, it has real merit concerning competitive games like this and other types of competitions, basically keeping a clear head makes it easier to analyze and see what's going on but having the drive to win is just as important.
Oro's art is called "senjutsu", which is supposedly one of the most advanced and rigorous techniques to learn. He also has incredibly advanced knowledge and mastery of ki, which grants him the ability to use basically any form of hado or other fireball magic he likes, as they all derive from the same source.
I entirely agree on your other point, though. Naturally I play at my worst when I'm angry and distracted and better when I'm calm and focused, but I arguably play at my best when I'm "dry angry" and in this proper state of focused bloodlust. I even used the same satsui no hado + mu no ken analogy when I came up with this a few years back.
Imagine how strong dans fireballs would be if he used both hands.
There's not such a thing.
Ryo uses one hand, so Dan uses one hand.
It's that simple.
Its his Ultra :)
Eh, Haoh and Shinku Gadoken show how strong they COULD be, but because he abandoned his training, Dan will always be bad.
(Fun fact, Dan's Dankukyaku, his version of the Tatsumaki Senpukyaku, references the Hien Shippu Kyaku, which is another move that Ryo, Robert, and Takuma (Ryo's dad) use.)
oh my God... they would be able to reach full screen!
I'm just casual trash but I love Dan and always root for him. Is it actually possible to become a top tier player as him?
it should also be noted that Dan has so many taunt and a super taunt option because that's the most direct jab at the art of fighting and its mechanics. In the art of fighting games you would loose meter to you opponent taunting, they'd loose meter on frame one so there was no punishment for doing that (though i can't remember if you can cancel them)
One thing I think that's also interesting is that a big joke with Dan is that lorewise, he has the possibility to be the strongest fighter in history. He can even use the Satsui no Hadou like Ryu can according to the comics. This is why he one hands fireballs- he has the potential to be an incredible martial artist.
Too bad he's an idiot.
I like to think he actually puts in a lot of work he just applies himself wrong. I think his dads was probably a really good teacher he’s just too stupid to get anything from it.
In SFV they took this concept a step further by having Dan’s “copied” moves be bad, but making unique moves really good. Implying that if Dan actually committed to his own style he’d be incredibly strong.
@@bageltoo now where have i heard that almost exact statement before...
@@bageltoo like in sf4?
@@bageltoo again, probably a jab to snk, which has really solid games but tried to copy and replicate capcom with Ryo
Oni yells Gouken's name if he does specials against him.
GOUKEN
Their themes are also parallels of each other’s. If you play the two together in sync they form a new song. This is generally hard to notice because akumas actual theme only plays in arcade mode. He gets a weird sf4 remix in vs battles.
@@EX-Flashkick NARUTOOOOO!!!
@@bonkoww3164 sasuuukeeeeeeeee!!!
@@Neogears1312 Fucking awesome, where can I listen to this?
It feels like Dan tried to skip straight to master level with his fireballs, partly because he wanted to rush to get revenge, and partly because his training was cut short by Gouken.
Sakura is an example of someone trying to learn the Shoto arts the right way, and succeeding at it.
Exactly. Even though Dan just started off purely as a riff on Ryo and Robert, as his story filled out you can tell they worked details like this into his story.
@That Frosty Ape Dan's father's name is Go Hibiki ;) That recollection of his background is otherwise on point though.
Another very likely reason he throws fireballs with one hand is indicative of his personality: because he has a delusional level of self confidence. If throwing fireballs with one hand is a sign of further mastery of them (as is evidenced by almost every canonically top tier character throwing them one-handed), it makes sense that Dan would think himself above using two hands. His inflated sense of self worth doesn't allow him to see that his fireballs are trash because of it haha. It's totally "Dan" to think that he can jump right into one-handed fireballs and skip the basics, because that's basically what Saikyou-ryu is; Dan has the base of Go Hibiki's fighting style that he was taught from a young age, but otherwise he essentially added Ansatsuken and Muay Thai to Saikyou-ryu without actually having any technical mastery of even the basics. He's just mimicking what he's seen. Adding techniques to your style can totally make it better, but not when you don't actually know how to do those techniques properly haha.
@@sadowolf This is totally unrelated to sf and videogames in general but I am gonna use this analysys of yours to point out that the consequences of overconfidence are preferable to those of not having confidence specially if you are a warrior, or a soldier, or anything that might put your life on the line.
Also, Sean. I know everyone thinks Sean is a joke from 3S, but if you compare Sean to Alpha or SF4 Sakura, they're actually pretty similar in terms of skill
@@nebiyuesayas5600 yeah but sean dosnt seem to be particularly dumb or incompetent. He’s just a newbie kid.
I like how as the games progress, Chun-Li goes from no fireball, to a moderate one, to a stronger-ish one. But I can't remember if she ever gets full screen...
EX kikoken in third strike doesn't dissipate (but is pitiful anyway)
The light and EX FB goes full screen I'm sure, but the medium and heavy don't, which are the most commonly used
I'm pretty sure her first fireball, the one in sf2 turbo, goes full screen
She also throws hers with one hand when they're weak
not full screen, but covering about 25% of the screen with a violent surging orb. Kikosho is her single most powerful technique. i think most of her range is curved in an arc purposefully through her technique. she can slip past longer range fighters like vega and sagat and counter/ cross up by mixing her fast attacks with her elusive aerial abilities. i dont think maxing linear range is part of her plan anywhere near as much as arcs and angles.
Dan:
Ryo's fighting
Robert's looks
Yuri's upbeat and determined personality/charm
yoyuusu!
jumanggy Ugh, yes! That CvS2 intro! 👍🏼👍🏼!!
Cody throws his projectiles with one hand just saying
Cody is strong as hell in universe
swag master hadorock 😂
whats up idiot
Didn't cody body ryu?
Bro I can body Cody with ryu online
season 5 of SFV added a bicycle kick to Ken's moves, which shows us where Sean got it from. Obviously, he could also have learned from Laura but we all know he abandoned her Jiu Jitsu in favor of Ken's version of Ansatsuken.
Speaking of kicks, it's interesting to see how Sakura and Sean have adapted the tatsumaki technique for themselves. Sean has a much easier time staying airborne but has to use both legs in order to hit the opponent multiple times while Sakura can score multiple hits while barely staying airborne and sometimes even doing so on the ground so she can do more damage, as seen with her SFIV super. This might be due to their difference in martial arts training before learning Ansatsuken, since Sean was already learning Jiu Jitsu and Sakura knew nothing of martial arts prior to getting to know Ryu
Ken's bicycle kick originates from CvS2, btw. So Ken debuted with it first technically speaking. Im not sure if CvS2 is canon to SF storyline, but the fact that the move first appears there is something to note
@@DanielReyes-kv8ek Akuma dies, so probably not.
@@DanielReyes-kv8ek CVS2 is a "dream battle" as the announcer mentions during the character select screen and some of the transition screens, it is not canon
That's a good comparison. How I see it is that Sean (in SF3) and Sakura (in SF4) are actually equally skilled. However, the difference is their strengths and weaknesses.
Sean has power-he does know some Matsuda Jiu-Jutsu (which is largely grappling), and his overall damage is actually pretty good, even in 3S. The problem is that Sean lacks technique. He can't properly do a Tatsu, he has to use brute force with both legs to stay airborne.
Sakura is the opposite. Neither she or Sean have formal training, but Sakura learned directly from Ryu. Her weakness is strength. She's not as physically strong, both due to small size and inexperience. As such, she can do a proper Tatsu, but the lack of strength means she can't stay airborne as long.
Another example is their Hadokens. Sean can't consistently do a Hadoken, but when he does, it's always powerful (a super). Sakura can do a consistent Hadoken, but it's weaker than Ryu’s because it dissipates.
@@nebiyuesayas5600
But Sakura knows Shinkuu Hadouken and has enough mastery over it to even aim at the sky at will. And it's a legit Shinkuu.
If Dan’s Japanese dialogue is on, he’ll scream out “Saikyoryu-ougi!” in the same way that all of the Kyokugen fighters in AOF / KOF will scream out “Kyokugenryu-ougi!” when they do said super. Another fun poke at SNK
This is the content that 2020 needed.
But not what it deserved..
@@RikXtreme4 facts this shit was dope
Oni's ultra or super fireball at close range possibly fully charged bores a hole into the opponent's chest exactly how evil ryu's chest appears
Gen moves was transferred in part to Yun and Yang, especially yang who took it more to heart but Yun stylized his own, I think it is in the comics that Gen is related to them or rather took them in to help in his restaurant
Yes, I felt that way too! Gen and Chun Li's dad trained together, I think they have all trained with one another at some point but I'll have to read up about their back stories again.
Like you said I believe they hung out around the restaurant.
@@Choom89 Lee from the first game is their uncle and master. According to the World Warrior Encyclopedia, Lee was friends with Gen, which is probably why Yun & Yang know Chun-Li.
Also, Rufus has a very similar fighting style to Yun & Yang (including a few shared moves), and it says in his bio he trained in China. Therefore, Rufus might be a student of Lee.
A fun fact:
Akira Yuki from the Virtua Fighter series shares the fighting of Yun and Yang. Every move Akira has done can clearly be seen in Yun and Yang.
@@jme-james Akira Yuki in Virtua Fighter 2 predates Yun and Yang by several years in SF3, but they Yun definitely has moves of the same martial art, Ba Ji Quan
@@chrxnxmn7624 I thought I said that already?
But Yun AND yang does moves Akira has already done.
Akira does the double palm which the twins both do.
Akira does the up kicks which both the twins do.
Akira does the shoulder thing and You Hou, which Yun does.
And alot of the normals the twin does looks like Akira's normals as well.
Oro throws projectiles with one hand, even his super art
That's kinda logical for him since canonically he is the strongest character in the street fighter universe period
@Aran Ryan No. Oro has two arms. He binds his dominant arm with a magic spell that he can break at any time so his opponents have a fighting chance and make things interesting. He has more powerful "unleashed" versions of his supers have him use both arms if you use two punch buttons on the input instead of one.
@@HoodWeegee Oh man, can't wait for his appearance in SFV
We always joked he threw energy boogers.
@@HoodWeegee then he got tired of magical spells and now just holds a turtle
Still waiting on a sequel, Baf, my man.
Yep.
Yet another 3 years later and we still don’t have it, damn
On the topic of Dan's fireballs, it's simply because he has poor form, not because he's a weak hado user. Dan has THE most powerful (Uncharged) basic fireballs out of the the entire cast (With a damage of 70 over the average 60). The fact that they dissipate due to poor form can be surmised from Oni's fireballs dissipating: Oni is Akuma overcome with violent intent, and therefore doesn't think as much during a fight.
If anything, Dan might (potentially) be the most powerful hado user, unless what he's doing is substituting range for power in his fireballs without realizing, although Oni's fireballs still only hit for 60 damage. In either case, he's up to snuff when it comes to weird energy abilities.
RoosterCogburnPhD nah he definitely has the weakest hado, he can't even sustain the satsui no hado after tripping over a *b a c k p a c k*
Also the base damage for a fireball is 70 (i.e. Ryu and Ken), not 60
I actually think that might have to do more with his outlook on life rather than any form of weakness. The Satsui no Hado in the comics (Where this happens) is less of something just Ryu and Akuma have its something *everyone* Has, Sakura uses a it a bit, Its implied Sagats scar kinda gives him a similar hate boost. Dan is too goofy to actually sustain that hateful outlook. (At least, that's partly how the comics portrayed it.) Dan had potential he wasted. I mean his dad was the guy who took out Sagat's eye. Dans father was probs stronger then Alpha Ryu
Retarded comment.
We all know Dan is God Tier
Check Kage in SFV
I love that Remy is canologically a more skilled fighter than Guile, even being able to throw two non-dissipating fireballs with one hand
I think it's mentioned in the UDON comics when Charlie was teaching Guile to throw Sonic Booms that he noted Guile would never gain enough mastery to throw Sonic Booms one handed because of his bad temper. Guile didn't care and just adapted.
would his install technically qualify as throwing projectiles one handed though? @@Anomaly188
@@anarking5764 I say no because it being an install means it requires meter and is only temporary while Nash and Remy never need meter for one-handed booms. It's like how Sean in SF3 can only throw a hadouken as a Super. That's not mastery, that's pushing beyond your limits for a short minute.
I love that stuff. Capcom pays great attention to details when making these characters
If only this comment still held it's weight today 😭
@@SwazNasty They still do lol
@@SwazNasty This comment aged like milk
@@SwazNasty they always did, mate. Stop hating on modern Capcom products.
It's not really a Fan theory Dan learned Muy Thai, he was taught by his father, Go Hibiki, who was a very strong fighter, and the one who Took Sagat's eye. That's why his style melds Shotokan and Muy thai, since he takes his incomplete teaching from Gouken and his father.
Thats what I thought. I could have sworn it was already confirmed.
Go Hibiki took one of Sagat's eye and Ryu a fucking cut in his entire chest
Abel’s eyes change to something similar to Seth’s while performing Soulless, but his hits are kinda weak up until he gains control again and body slams the opponent his way.
dan's koryuken also has him face towards the camera in sf4, just like ryo's kohou! that's my favorite detail that a lot of people miss out on
On the note of throwing projectiles with one hand as a sign of mastery...
*Dan is also one of very few characters to do this*
That last part with Gouki and Gouken throwing air and angle up fireballs blew my mind.
Seth's QCB K move has the same name as Chun Li's lightning kick, however he does it better than her(only to appear he kicked once but he actually kick multiple times extremely fast). Therefore we can assume that when Shadoloo was getting data for the Tanden Engine, they actually got Chun Li's dad who could do lightning legs that fast.
And since Charlie is alive(or was alive) on SF5, it could be safe to say that Chun Li's dad is alive somewhere.
Vega also taught them air throw which I will sorely miss in SF5 with Cammy
DoomDDS Aww man I shoulda put that in here
DoomDDS ComboFiend confirmed that Cammy will have an air throw, but it isn't in the game yet for some reason (rushed for E3).
lol
WELP
DoomDDS
Be careful what you wish for
This is awesome, you really should keep going with videos like this. A lot of people in the FGC are quick to bark at people who give a shit about SF's lore, but it really can be interesting and it makes connecting to your main a lot more fun, at least in my opinion.
Something I think is interesting; Ryu's normals and fireballs are so powerful because he is so synchronized with his own willpower. However, despite Dan's fireballs being so short-ranged, they actually do even greater damage than Ryu's, implying that perhaps Dan has an even stronger connection to his inner will. Take all this as you may.
Dan has a new special starting from I believe SF4 Omega and now in SFV, which, simply put, is the Zan Retsu Ken, one of Ryo's own specials.
USF4: Subtle Lore pt 2
This was really cool and I didn't know 3s took place after 4.
decodatv wait what?
@GenesisGems it does.
@GenesisGems It does and if you play the story of 5 It tells you that the events are between 4 and 3
4 -> 5 -> 3
@GenesisGems
It does
I love this kind of stuff. I used to catch and look for all of those kinds of details. That subtle lore is the most fun to find in my opinion
I always wondered if the Seth/Abel/Gill/Urien connection was intentional or not. I never even picked up on the Vega and Dolls relationship, however. Dope video.
It was, initially, when the lore for SF4 used to be a little different
Damn they got petty with the Dan lore LMAO
Gouken: These are Ryu and Ken, my star pupils. This is Dan, we trained him wrong as a joke.
I never even touched street fighter but for some reason this is still interesting to me.
Same. I always liked the subtle clues in stuff like that. Really rewards fans awareness and dedication.
me too, idk who half of these characters are lol
Awh brilliant ! I LOVE feeling part on the Street Fighter WORLD rather than just using the characters to fight with. I wish it was longer.
Bafael: "In the Street Fighter universe, throwing fireballs with one hand is considered to be a very rare skill and indicative of martial arts mastery"
Omega Ken: "Bro do you even?"
Meanwhile, Guile is in SFV throwing one handed booms, air booms, leg booms, big booms, sideways booms.. I guess Nash dying was the perfect opportunity for Guile to catch up
by that metric isnt deejay at goukens level...
@@fortidogi8620 That's not taking into account the difference in power between a Hadoken and an Air Slasher. I assume Goken had to train for a long time and overcome the Hado in order to acquire multi-hit one handed fireballs. Deejay, on the other hand, probably has weaker fireballs lore wise
Corpse Senpai I’m starting to feel like Guile stole some of the moves Nash was supposed to get or sumthin. Ain’t Nash supposed to be the offensive and Guile defensive?
@@tcole2475 That's when, canonically, Charlie was more experienced than Guile. But, Charlie has been dead for a while, so it makes more sense for Guile to have more boom related tools than Charlie.
Ed and Menat are foils of eachother in terms of gameplay.
Ed is conceptually easier to use while Menat isn’t.
Ed borrows stuff from his Mentor Balrog (Such as Psycho Knuckle/Dash Straight, Psycho Swing/Turn Punch) while also mixing it up by pouring psycho power like Bison does, indicating a bit that he’s closer towards being corrupted by Bison since it’s shown in some material that Psycho power corrupts people the more they use it (It’s why Nash suspects that he along with his team should be exterminated, then again that might’ve been his rage talking).
Menat in the other hand uses a unique style while borrowing stuff from Rose, her teacher while nothing indicates on any sort of corruption happening.
Actually, Ed’s story is played more serious and depressing while Menats is played more light hearted.
i would love to see more of these kinds of lore videos. it would be nice to see a hub of sorts where we could actually establish timelines and events as a community. and i dont think i can think of a better place to do it than on your channel baf with how tight nit we all are.
Always liked picking up these types of things across the SF series. When Dan first debuted he was a lot more of a subtle jab at Ryo and Robert, and even though he wasn't the best, he wasn't framed as an inferior joke character. By SF4 they were all in on it, and that's why he shares so many more similarities with them and it at his silliest.
I haven't seen the video about him learning Muay Thai, but I remember even back to his debut noticing that his some of his kicks were more similar to Sagat's than other shotos, and the word was initially that Go Hibiki was a Muay Thai fighter like Sagat so that was Dan's base, and in order to separate himself from the art that led to his father's death he went to learn ansatsuken and was banished by Gouken because of his vengeful motives. The other theory was that his base was similar to the style of shotos (especially since the depictions of Go that would come out showed him wearing a gi like the shotos), and he learned Muay Thai along the way to pick up Sagat's techniques to better best him. In either scenario he was rejected by Gouken for his motives and used what he had learned there combined with some Muay Thai and his original karate base to ultimately create the Saikyou-Ryu.
Don't forget that Remy also throws fireballs with one hand.
Remy is SSS tier confirmed?
Remy is a SSS tier, he's just..... in the wrong game. Throw him into Super Turbo or Alpha 2 and he would be a monster.
@@maagic2031 hed be too good in super turbo well idk i just mean hed be awesome in that game
I would love to see how the lore continued in SF5 now that it's almost over
One of your best ideas Baf. You throw a lot of lore around in your commentary, nice to see it compiled into a video now. 👍
I like these videos because they take time to point out the details developers put into the games that go unnoticed by most. I would imagine they think “Thanks for being a fan”
TH-cam algorithm kept throwing this video in my feed even though I watched it years ago
Ryu donkey kick kick looks similar to Gokuen focus attack, but only at first glance. In fact, Gokuen performs side kick (basically stand with his side forward , rises leg and throw it sideways), while Ryu performs like a fusion of turning back kick (basically, tour your back to opponent, bend you knee and throw it straight behind you) and wheel kick (also turn your back, but use horizontal turning momentum to perform a kick). Three kinda similar, but distinct kick. Also, in SFV Ryu drops turning his back and just does sidekick, just like Gokuen.
Then again we are speaking about the game where grappling is reduced to throws and major part of game is throwing fireballs, so I'm not supprised creators are not fighters themself.
Ryu’s Focus Attack isn’t exactly lore accurate due to timing, but it’s a reference to his Kaze no Ken technique he develops on the Ryu Final manga (which happens after 3S). It kinda breaks the lore but it’s a nice nod.
The manga is sick btw, well worth reading.
Dan = Theorized to use Muay Thai to try and get revenge on Sagat.
Adon = Uses Muay Thai to try and get revenge on Sagat for how hypocritical he was
*Imagine the teamup of Dan and Adon.*
Adan
Wouldn't work. Both are massive egomaniacs wanting the spotlight with Dan being a goofy blowhard and Adon is arrogant and homicidal. They'd fight each other more than their opponents.
Unlikely, though. While both characters are incredibly arrogant, Adon does have the strenght and skill to back it up, and as he sees himself as the king of Muay Thai, he probably doesn't even take Dan seriously.
Now that SF6 is out I wonder what became of Adon.
This is the stuff that makes fighting games worth it.
This seriously needs to continue, love it
When you compare Urien and Gill, their moves are very similar but their input for doing special moves show what kind of characters they are and establish their fighting prowess.
Urien needs to charge for his special moves, implying he needs to focus to perform special moves, most likely due to his short temper. Gill can however perform his moves effortlessly with a motion input.
When Urien is blocking in 3s, there is a distinct metallic sound heard compared to the rest of the cast when blocking. This metallic sound isn't heard in V (implying progress?)
You're almost right, but SFV actually takes place _before_ the events of SF3 and 3rd strike, so it's more than likely just an oversight
The metallic sound might have just been a means to communicate that Urien, though appearing human, was ultimately another weapon created by The Secret Society
@@pacman10124 it also likely has to do with how urien seems to have a constant metallic coating using his magnetic powers, while in sfv he needs to use a vskill mid match to get that and it dissipates once he uses his tackle once.
James Chen is gonna respect this video
What if there was a 6 hand character that could throw 3 fireballs at once
funny dude
Another Fun Fact: Ryu's VA in Third Strike is Gouken's Japanese VA, which is fitting since Gouken's supers are The Denjin Hadouken, and the Shin Shoryuken.
Agh, makes sense now why I enjoyed playing Dan.
He was my Main.
im so fucking mad at myself for finding this channel years later than i should have. great content man
Hi Bafael,
Here are some points you may want to mention if you do this type of video again.
#1. Makoto's dash punch is performed by the fighter on the China Wall stage in SF1.
#2. Sakura's Tatsus angles downwards like Ryu/Ken's SF1 Tatus.
#3. Balrog's TAP damage output equals the amount of damage Mike outputs with his Normals in SF1.
Consider:
When Hakan performs a back Throw he positions body in a way that hides his thumb being inserted into his opponent's anus as mentioned in the Turkish Oil Wrestling documentary available on TH-cam. Hakan was created as a representation of the world champion of that time.
Jesus dude
Kaizen Master LOL @ anus part.
HAHAHAHAH jesus kaizen
Lol
Wait, Turkish oil wrestling involves fingering each other?
I think I would love it if you did a "Subtle Lore" video on SFV. Loved this one.
Not exactly the same, but he did a video on supers a while back, where old supers from SF Alpha and 3 became EX Specials and stuff on SFV
(For example, Ryu's EX Tatsu was a super in the Alpha games)
This is really Interesting. You should definitely make more of these.
Omega dan has the fast punches move thing like ryo as well
Chun goes from throwing fireballs with 2 hands in SF2/Alpha to throwing them with 1 in SF3/SF4
Genuine Angus Beef in 4 she does a different animation for light, medium and heavy fireballs. Light and medium use 1 hand and heavy (and ex) use both hands.
Also, I thought Urien and Gill were human, not the same thing as seth
They have been experimented on, though.
@@Ilovevidgames123 I'm years late but Gill is hundreds of years old.
Urien and Gill were not android like Seth, but not human either.
@@Nhan6241 They are Humans, they just genetically modified due to the multiple experiments conducted on them.
great video, I love this kind of subtle lore
I'm SO glad you addressed this. Thing is 5 seems to throw out a lot of this stuff. Can't wait to do a video about this.
If I remember correctly, the biggest joke about Dan is that Saikyo Style is actually some ancient martial arts form capable of easily surpassing Ansatsuken, but Dan makes it looks like a shitshow because he tries too hard to incorporate Ryu and Ken's moves into it.
That sounds awesome, do you have a source?
I adore the tiny “blink” sound whenever Dan throws a fireball
My personal favourite is Ryu's jumping medium punch, which hits twice. This is a move he's had since SFA. Akuma has it too, since in SFA his moveset was basically an amalgamation of all the best shoto normals. Gouken was introduced in SSF4 and guess what, j.MP hits twice - presumably this was his move originally.
And now in SFV, Sagat now has the same move! It's a great bit of plot: Sagat has gone from hating Ryu to grudging respect, and now he's straight-up emulating him. Ryu learned it from Gouken; Sagat learned it from Ryu.
I'm pretty sure Abel, Urien, and Seth share similar sweeps and Abel and Seth both have step kicks (maybe a stretch). And you could talk about similarities between Rufus and the twins. Guile being Remy's father, similarities with the twins and gen, and Gen and Chun
What about deejays fireball? He does it with one and and goes full screen.
He punch multiple times in one swing. maybe is the same for the fireball
That's why he's cooler than Guile. Gets more special moves as a result.
deejay is just a shitty character that doesn't fit
Deejay wasn't designed by Capcom
Here’s some real Dan lore:
Dan is so incredibly versed in martial arts he has to hold himself back every time he performs a move. The reason Gadoken seems so pitiful is because he’s dialing it down so that he doesn’t kill his opponent when he uses it. We can see a vision of Dan’s true strength when he uses Haoh Gadoken. He accidentally unleashes 5% of his normal power, and in his weakened stance, it throws him off and tosses him to the other side of the screen.
My favorite detail that I've noticed is that the scars on evil ryus chest and back seem to indicate that he got hit by oni's ultra 1 full animation
Maybe getting hit by it is what caused ryu to tap into satsui no hado; evil ryu only exists in the universe oni exists in
This is awesome dude please make more of these SF lores!
I just remembered another personal speculation of mine.
In SF1, Ryu has red hair, while in all subsequent appearances it's black, otherwise everything is seemingly as normal in his appearance. In SF4, Evil Ryu's 3rd color scheme is the same as Ryu's in SF1.
Considering how in the canon, Ryu momentarily changed into Evil Ryu to deliver the finishing illegal shoryuken upon Sagat which gave him his scar, I'm left with the impression that perhaps by later games it is implied that in SF1 you are actually playing as Evil Ryu.
Chaf Cancel no it did not as far as I know cause most stuff in SF 1 is Canon especially the scar and the encounter between Sagat and Ryu and him using the dark hado fuled upper cut
Chaf Cancel Sagat has the scar before SF Alpha 1 tho, which he got from Ryu in SF1
There's no Evil Ryu in SF1 canonicallly
dee jay also throws one handed fireballs but it has literally no significance that I can think of
This shit is pretty rad. Ever think about doing one for V?
B. Blobbentein was just about to suggest the same thing
I play this game for years and never thought of or realized a few things you brought up.
I love this stuff.
Seth doesn’t throw Charlie’s one-handed sonic booms, he throws Remy’s one-handed sonic booms.
@@MatF1 No, you see, Charlie throws the sonic booms with his hands forwards, whereas Seth and Remy back-hand sonic booms.
Juri uses only one leg
Juri mains unite awoo!
I'm kinda late but Yuri in kof xiv makes a reference of Dan's ultra in one of her supers, she throws a energy ball and gets launched back
She makes multiple references of other fighting games characters I just can't list. But in KoF14, not only she makes a reference of Dan's Haou Gadouken but his Shissou Buraiken as well.
man watching this after your recent videos it feels like someone just told you your mom died the instant you hit record
I thought it was cool that Oni's ultra 2 "Tenchi Sokaigen" is like an allusion to Akuma's Super "Kongou Kokuretsu Zan" in Street Fighter 3. Seems like Akuma learned how to do the move later on in his life without having to go crazy.
GodOfFunk25 Don't forget his super in SFXT which is the Misogi from CvS2 but takes elements from the KKZ (especially the whiff animation)
Maybe if we see Akuma in SFV he'll have something like this.
suppose you could talk about one of guile's alternate costumes (i forgot which one) which is a direct reference to D.Dark from the EX series, though that's more of an easter egg
Akuma got his necklace from his brother Goutetsu who he killed
The dolls are more interesting than I thought they were at first it could be interesting to see more from them
I'd like to imagine that the one handed fireball means Deejay is strong in lore 😊
I fucking love that shit like this exists. And i love you for noticing.
Man if it aint obvious enough... i didnt realise they use robert's face and ryo's moveset to create dan... i only tot its to mock ryo only... omg... i have staring at them since the 90s... love ur vids... always telling me something new i haven notice... 👍👍👍
This reminds me yuri got shin shoyruken and raging demon in kof 2001... 🤣🤣🤣
This video is still great
an interesting detail with Dan is that the joke of him being a parody of Ryo and Robert was also aknowledged by SNK. In SNK Vs Capcom Chaos, Terry unintentionally mistakes Dan for Robert, and in KoF 2000, Robert has a secret striker mode (called Another Robert) that sees him wearing a white Gi and acting similarly to Dan (plus, using the second palette with Ryo will see Robert use a pink colored Gi, just like Dan's). In Capcom Vs SNK 2, Dan have a secret intro againts Yuri, referencing the fact he have the same cheery and happy go lucky attitude as her.
In Street Fighter V they made him deal more damage by having him using original moves instead of the parodied ones, wich is mostly self-awareness of re-using the same moves rather than just a parody on SNK.
Interesting with the fireball lore since Remy in 3rd Strike can throw one handed projectiles that function like Guile's.
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Dan's normals bare an extremely close resemblance to Kage's normals, as well as some traits like pitiful Hadoukens. Since Kage is the physical embodiment of the Satsui no Hadou, and Dan has been said before to have an extreme affinity for the Satsui no Hadou (Gouken kicked him out for having evil intent behind his training), it could be said that Dan is accidentally stumbling his way into a raw, natural mastery of the Satsui no Hadou.
Dan is an endearing bumbling badass
I like the idea of Evil Ryu being the version that exists if Akuma were to win instead.
I don't know why this was recomended to me 4 years after being uploaded,but hey I'm not complaining.
That Vega bit is so fucked up and always makes me laugh
Question: How can Remy from 3s throw booms with just one hand and have them be so powerful? Does this mean he was also trained by Charlie?