Update 7/2/2023: It has been 2 months and I drive my car daily. I start it at the least 10-15 times in a day give or take. It starts fresh every time and still no grind! No extra adjustment like other videos have stated and it is clearly not necessary.
I have heard of this adjustment is there anyway you can point me to the video stating this adjustment, i have replaced my tensioner and rattle cam back. Please and thank you!
I heard the dealership CHARGES between $1,200.00 to $1,500.00 dollars to do this job! You just helped MANY people SAVE a BUNCH of MONEY! Much gratitude!
Excellent video ! Thanks !! There are quite a number of 2013-17 CRVs and Accords in the parking lot of my office building. It seems that all of them have this noise during startup after work..... I guess this problem is quite common, and I am surprised that Honda didn't initiate a general recall.
No, you just need to change the tensioner unless you see or hear damage. The chain will make the tensioner click as usual. The tensioner will have enough tension to keep the chain tight. If you hear noise on your top end or it continues to make the grind, then the gear may need to be changed as well.
They are 6x14 and 6x18 should all be 10mm bolt head size. You can use a rachet or a torque wrench. A rachet will do just fine. Don't over tighten the bolts.
Getting the grind myself at startup. I’ve been reading/watching and will probably extend my tensioner by one click before I put it in. Looking forward to seeing how long your new one lasts before it grinds again.
I have seen those videos also where they tell you to add a tooth, the crazy part is Honda TSB does not state to do it and if the locking mechanism is in working condition and not sheared off, it shouldn't cause the same issue. I am going to be honest and say that I personally would not for the simple fact of having experience with K20 and K24 engines, extending one tooth on the tensioner can put more strain on your chain that will in time wear out the chain guides a lot quicker to the point you will have to change them and other timing components. This is a far more taxing job than just pulling off a cover. A lot of times depending on the positioning of the engine you have to pull the motor to do so. This will require a bunch of labor time or a heavy pocket unless you can do it yourself. If you decide to extend it a tooth keep me posted. I will do the same.
Honda recommendeds water pump, timing belt or chain and tensioner is normally about 7 years or 60-100K miles. Or as needed if there is no noise or signs of issues.
@@keithiedogshit66 I Googled it and we may not need to change it as it is a metal Timing chain on our Accords so long as the car is maintained with regular oil changes.
@@carlwinslow4175normally you should not have to change it unless it is causing issues. Honda always lists a maintenance minder for all their makes and models. We obviously don't follow them all the time. Mechanics know better than a money making gimmick. Use your judgement. It follows the rule of thumb... if it isn't broke, don't fix it. Ig you get a cold start grind and hear the ticking near your passenger side front tire then it is time.
On the 12 more common was the VTC actuator. Tensioner are cheaper and a start but everything I have seen the actuator was the issue. Look up Honda service bulletin 09-010 for 07-12 CRV All.
You do not have to drain the oil. It would not be a bad idea though once complete, just to make sure there is no shavings or the broken tab from the tensioner is in your oil pan.
Thank you. 24F battery is the upgrade. It is used in the 9th gen accord coupe V6. You will need the battery box and the tie down. Factory Honda box and tie down is perfect and fits as it should. You don't have to change it but it will fit better with it. To be honest Everstart has more power than the Diehard. I honestly would also stay away from Optima.
it says in the TSB to turn the crank 90 degrees clockwise after u put the pin in the old tensioner. is this necessary seems like u and another skipped that step im confused.
The counter clockwise and clockwise motion is only to depress the tensioner to take tension off and insert the pin. If the tensioner tooth is sheered off the counter clockwise motion will line up the pin holes while compressing the tensioner. The clockwise motion allows the chain to hang freely with tension above on the cam gears while you unbolt the tensioner. Be careful not to drop the bolts in your cover.
At the time you remove the damaged tensioner, the chain will get loose but it will stay on the cam gears and the oil pump gear. This will not cause it to jump timing. Once you replace the tensioner and pull the pin it will click back in place and put the proper amount of tension back on the chain.
That is how it starts. If you listen on the passenger side and you hear a ticking while the engine is running behind the tire thisnis the sign that the tooth is sheared off and your tensioner needs to be replaced. It will be pretty loud. The tensioner is supposed to click but not in a constant faction and really loud. It will sound like a chain hitting a cover. Instead of the click locking the chain in place.
@@keithiedogshit66 I don't hear any noise other than occasional cold start up. If I don't hear the noise you are describing, do I need to replace now or can it wait until I hear noise consistently after start up??
The screen filter is separate. If yours is clean and free of debris, just wipe it down or clean with some brake cleaner and reuse it. You will be good to go.
You'll always get a grind the first start after replacing the TCT. It's best to replace the TCT and the VTC actuator locking pin spring for long term results on these Earth Dream engines with the 5A2 VTC Actuator.
@@spring-start I’ll try the vtc actuator. I’m aware that the first start will have it again but it did it the following morning cold start, REALLY loudly. That’s what had me concerned
Hi @nickm50, what year of your TSX? I have TSX 2018 and just got an engine rattle noise and I wonder if it's tensioner or VTC actuator that needs to be replaced. Thank you.
If you still have the grind I would check for codes and the VTC actuator. At times the cam chain guides wear and the chain tends to lift off the gear slightly. I would recommend that you pull your valve cover off if you are a DIYer and check slack on your timing chain and see if your guides are worn or broken. Also I honestly would check the tensioner and make sure that on start up you didn't sheer the teeth again causing the same problem. I would start there first before pulling the cover off. Did it grind when you first started your car after the fix? Or gradually came back over time?
My video is for the 2013-2017, but if you changed the tensioner, the 2008 has to be in top dead center from what I am aware of. I would not attempt to start the vehicle again until you fix it. You will nees to take the valve cover off and rotate your crank to line up the timing marks. Make sure the timing Mark's on the crankshaft pulley also line up below. There will be markings on the pulley to line up with the arrow on the block. Then replace the tensioner and start the car once you put all the covers back on. There is a thread on the accord forum that advises the bulletin also. www.driveaccord.net/threads/2008-honda-accord-k24-timing-tensioner-replacement-for-cold-start-rattle.566392/
@@white9th193 yes sir ! I took the valve and timing chain covers off , and then I line up the all the timing marks I put the covers and everything back and my car is working like brand new car again 😅
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Update 7/2/2023: It has been 2 months and I drive my car daily. I start it at the least 10-15 times in a day give or take. It starts fresh every time and still no grind! No extra adjustment like other videos have stated and it is clearly not necessary.
I have heard of this adjustment is there anyway you can point me to the video stating this adjustment, i have replaced my tensioner and rattle cam back. Please and thank you!
I heard the dealership CHARGES between $1,200.00 to $1,500.00 dollars to do this job! You just helped MANY people SAVE a BUNCH of MONEY! Much gratitude!
Thank you for the kind words, glad I can help in anyway possible.
Excellent video ! Thanks !! There are quite a number of 2013-17 CRVs and Accords in the parking lot of my office building. It seems that all of them have this noise during startup after work..... I guess this problem is quite common, and I am surprised that Honda didn't initiate a general recall.
Update for all .. still going strong! No grinds or hard starts!
Thanks for the updates
Thanks for the updates man.
Wow nice, how to I know if my grind is due to bad cam tensioner or bad actuator?
@@NHPhamousPolo for 9th gen accord, it is known to be tensioner. For 8th gen it is actuator. It is just known and common.
Do you have to change the timing chain or you just need to change the tensioner?
No, you just need to change the tensioner unless you see or hear damage. The chain will make the tensioner click as usual. The tensioner will have enough tension to keep the chain tight. If you hear noise on your top end or it continues to make the grind, then the gear may need to be changed as well.
Hey man what sizes are all the bolts, will a torque wrench and ratchet wrench do the job fine?
They are 6x14 and 6x18 should all be 10mm bolt head size. You can use a rachet or a torque wrench. A rachet will do just fine. Don't over tighten the bolts.
Getting the grind myself at startup. I’ve been reading/watching and will probably extend my tensioner by one click before I put it in. Looking forward to seeing how long your new one lasts before it grinds again.
I have seen those videos also where they tell you to add a tooth, the crazy part is Honda TSB does not state to do it and if the locking mechanism is in working condition and not sheared off, it shouldn't cause the same issue. I am going to be honest and say that I personally would not for the simple fact of having experience with K20 and K24 engines, extending one tooth on the tensioner can put more strain on your chain that will in time wear out the chain guides a lot quicker to the point you will have to change them and other timing components. This is a far more taxing job than just pulling off a cover. A lot of times depending on the positioning of the engine you have to pull the motor to do so. This will require a bunch of labor time or a heavy pocket unless you can do it yourself. If you decide to extend it a tooth keep me posted. I will do the same.
Any update?
@@jeffreyellin9903 I have had absolutely no issues and it is running flawlessly. just like when I first purchased my car new.
Got 175K on my 14 sports and it is time for me too.
What mileage does the timing chain need to be replaced do you know?
Honda recommendeds water pump, timing belt or chain and tensioner is normally about 7 years or 60-100K miles. Or as needed if there is no noise or signs of issues.
@@keithiedogshit66 I Googled it and we may not need to change it as it is a metal Timing chain on our Accords so long as the car is maintained with regular oil changes.
@@carlwinslow4175normally you should not have to change it unless it is causing issues. Honda always lists a maintenance minder for all their makes and models. We obviously don't follow them all the time. Mechanics know better than a money making gimmick. Use your judgement. It follows the rule of thumb... if it isn't broke, don't fix it. Ig you get a cold start grind and hear the ticking near your passenger side front tire then it is time.
Will that fix the cold start noise on a 12 crv or is the vtc actuator
On the 12 more common was the VTC actuator. Tensioner are cheaper and a start but everything I have seen the actuator was the issue. Look up Honda service bulletin 09-010 for 07-12 CRV All.
Do you drain the engine oil first or replace the tensioner without having to drain the motor?
You do not have to drain the oil. It would not be a bad idea though once complete, just to make sure there is no shavings or the broken tab from the tensioner is in your oil pan.
Great video thank you
Thank you for watching and hope it helped.
Great video. Can you tell me , what kind bigger battery you use and brand . Or part number. Thanks
Thank you. 24F battery is the upgrade. It is used in the 9th gen accord coupe V6. You will need the battery box and the tie down. Factory Honda box and tie down is perfect and fits as it should. You don't have to change it but it will fit better with it. To be honest Everstart has more power than the Diehard. I honestly would also stay away from Optima.
Hey I had this issue and never fixed it. Now I hear a knocking. What do you think is the best thing I should do
Did you resolve the issue? I would recommend having a diagnostic done to confirm the issue. Knocking in the bottom end or top end?
@@keithiedogshit66 it was 2 things actually. The chain tensioner & the pulley tensioner 😅
@@aaroncalderon5513did repair make the knocking stop?
Yo I have this same thing happening to mine, how much is the repair cost?
@@erwinwayne3129 hey I did it myself at it was cheap.
what does it do if you dont get this issue fix?
Over time it can cause damage to your cam gears and the plastic guides as well as throw off your timing.
it says in the TSB to turn the crank 90 degrees clockwise after u put the pin in the old tensioner. is this necessary seems like u and another skipped that step im confused.
The counter clockwise and clockwise motion is only to depress the tensioner to take tension off and insert the pin. If the tensioner tooth is sheered off the counter clockwise motion will line up the pin holes while compressing the tensioner. The clockwise motion allows the chain to hang freely with tension above on the cam gears while you unbolt the tensioner. Be careful not to drop the bolts in your cover.
Hello mate will that loosen the timing chain??
At the time you remove the damaged tensioner, the chain will get loose but it will stay on the cam gears and the oil pump gear. This will not cause it to jump timing. Once you replace the tensioner and pull the pin it will click back in place and put the proper amount of tension back on the chain.
@@keithiedogshit66 thxs for the information. Much appreciated mate cheers
Grind is on a super cold start once in the morning I never hear it again
That is how it starts. If you listen on the passenger side and you hear a ticking while the engine is running behind the tire thisnis the sign that the tooth is sheared off and your tensioner needs to be replaced. It will be pretty loud. The tensioner is supposed to click but not in a constant faction and really loud. It will sound like a chain hitting a cover. Instead of the click locking the chain in place.
@@keithiedogshit66 I don't hear any noise other than occasional cold start up. If I don't hear the noise you are describing, do I need to replace now or can it wait until I hear noise consistently after start up??
@keithiedogshit do you know of the 2013 accord 2.4l lx has the filter on or do I have to buy the tensioner with the new filter TIA
The screen filter is separate. If yours is clean and free of debris, just wipe it down or clean with some brake cleaner and reuse it. You will be good to go.
@@keithiedogshit66 than you
It should have the filter on the tensioner.
@keithiedogshit66 it didn't but the one I bought had the filter replaced it doing going
@@paulleblanc3301good deal. I glad it is all working.
I just replaced mine on my Acura TSX and this morning I got the grinding noise again. I followed all the instructions so idk what is wrong now
You'll always get a grind the first start after replacing the TCT. It's best to replace the TCT and the VTC actuator locking pin spring for long term results on these Earth Dream engines with the 5A2 VTC Actuator.
@@spring-start I’ll try the vtc actuator. I’m aware that the first start will have it again but it did it the following morning cold start, REALLY loudly. That’s what had me concerned
@@nickm50 Sounds good. The R44 R5A 5A2 kit is 35 with the access bit.
Hi @nickm50, what year of your TSX? I have TSX 2018 and just got an engine rattle noise and I wonder if it's tensioner or VTC actuator that needs to be replaced.
Thank you.
@@VladimirVShin 2011
Where you at brodie, I need done now mine is at 148k miles I’m tired of hearing that bullshit when I start my baby up
The stock battery is a joke! I couldn't believe they put what looks like a motorcycle battery in these.
We are lucky with these Accords. Easy upgrade. Looks at the Civic's though, no room to upgrade.
It’s the ecu over advancing timing when cold
I replaced mine and still have grind.
If you still have the grind I would check for codes and the VTC actuator. At times the cam chain guides wear and the chain tends to lift off the gear slightly. I would recommend that you pull your valve cover off if you are a DIYer and check slack on your timing chain and see if your guides are worn or broken. Also I honestly would check the tensioner and make sure that on start up you didn't sheer the teeth again causing the same problem. I would start there first before pulling the cover off. Did it grind when you first started your car after the fix? Or gradually came back over time?
what year is yours? valdo
Try replacing the vtc actuator spring
I changed the tensioner on my accord 2008 2.4 lt and my car didn’t start
My video is for the 2013-2017, but if you changed the tensioner, the 2008 has to be in top dead center from what I am aware of. I would not attempt to start the vehicle again until you fix it. You will nees to take the valve cover off and rotate your crank to line up the timing marks. Make sure the timing Mark's on the crankshaft pulley also line up below. There will be markings on the pulley to line up with the arrow on the block. Then replace the tensioner and start the car once you put all the covers back on. There is a thread on the accord forum that advises the bulletin also.
www.driveaccord.net/threads/2008-honda-accord-k24-timing-tensioner-replacement-for-cold-start-rattle.566392/
@@keithiedogshit66 thanks
Did you fix your car mate ?
@@white9th193 yes sir ! I took the valve and timing chain covers off , and then I line up the all the timing marks I put the covers and everything back and my car is working like brand new car again 😅