I had a P0011, and P1651, with loud rattling, can’t thank you enough! I saved $1800, I own a 2009 Honda Accord EXL with 88k miles, I went to Home Depot, bought 5 M60x30 bolts ($6.28), orange thread lock ($2.99), reused my original spring just stretched it and reinsert with new Home Depot screws with thread lock. Now all the codes went away and drives perfect again! The dealer was going to charge me for a new timing belt replacement, new actuator, new tensioner, whole new PZEV VVT, and oil change for $1800 without tax. Took me 30 minutes, Boom! Drove it and it was fine. It’s been 2 weeks now, drives normal and no rattling while start up and no rattling while driving! ❤❤❤❤
Thank you so much for the detailed explanation and breakdown. I had seen other videos that replace the spring, but it was your explanation which gave me the confidence to attempt this on a 2014 Honda CR-V. And I am exceptionally happy to report it was entirely successful with no more startup rattle!
I have a 2008 Accord EXL that started doing this at 130K. Honda repaired it at a cost of 1k. Problem returned at 160k. Decided to let it go until it dies. It now has 205k. Still hasn't died
Very common issue for this engine. So common, you would think that a reliable manufacturer like Honda would have recalled all the vehicles associated with this issue. No way! That would cost them serious money. So they issued a TSB for it. Original owners had a small window of opportunity to get it fixed free of charge. But guess what? The same issue returns again and again. It is an engine flaw, courtesy of the engineers. Thankfully, I haven't seen any reports of any catastrophic engine failure because of it. These engines will reliably run. Just do the reccomended service accordingly. And tolerate an annoying noise. And btw, I owned a 2012 CRV with this engine. Bought it used with 112k on in 2019. I put 30k miles on it. Traded it in for a bigger suv. Good video 👍
I agree with you, I think it was a design flaw from the manufacturer, not a quality problem. But this fix seems to work longer than a new actuator gear with the same old spring design.
I have a 2008 that I bought used that had 128k. It started making that noise at 135k. I had the VTC replaced and the noise came back after a year at 150k. I decided if it is going to die it is going to die. It now has 201k
Yeah Honda has a service bulletin on the VTC cam gear (cam phaser) and the updated part doesn't have this issue. No the issue doesn't return again, your dealership probably lied to you and used the old part again LOL..I bought the new part online and had the dealer do a whole timing chain job and put the new VTC gear on and the noise doesn't come back.
Just finished the job on a 2014 CRV. Taking the original bolt off was the most unnerving part of the job. I rotated the crankshaft to position each bolt at the very top to get a good grip on it. Replaced them with 6 mm x 30 mm hexagonal flanged bolts. If I have to re do the job it will be a breeze taking them off now. Lets hope this will be it though! Thank you so much!
I replaced the VTC and 10,000 miles later the same rattle came back 😡 I always use synthetic “Mobil 1” oil and regardless manufacturer schedule I do my oil change every 5k miles
@ your trick is really good ! Yes , I replaced the whole VTC brand new, purchased from Honda dealer, I was so disappointed that I sold my 2008 Accord , was my last Honda after years of Acura/Honda in my family, now I own a 2013 Camry with the same stupid noise ( ONLY PROBLEM) and I’m going to do the same you recommend 👍🏻💪🏻
This is a great video, thanks. My 14 crv makes this noise once in awhile. Once again, thanks for your detailed video and stressing not to drop any hardware into timing cover 👍🏽
Unfortunately this job has an estimated of $411.00+ jobs. Also with the mileages/ages of the car, the valve cover gasket, inlet tubes, spark plugs & coils will be needed. Not doing those replacement, you will get oil leaks & a very upset owner. Most of the time owners are not going to have it repair or fix. Once the shop made a mistake, then time will be lost for nothing. But if you can attempt to DIY, you can save on the labor $$$$. MotorCarNut, thank you for taking your time out & sharing.
@@motorcarnut Different question from above. Can a camshaft's lobe be repaired by welding rather than replacing the camshaft? Got a 1986 BMW M7 [modified from an (E23) uses M30 engine] with common/major problem & BMW refused to correct it. Parts are very hard to find & if one does find them they are very outrages, just for used parts. Car has less than 23K & always serviced by BMW, master mechanics & my uncle. You know how to weld a camshaft's lobe in the engine or have a video?
I hear where you are coming from but I never welded a cam shaft lobe before. I really wouldn't recommend it being such a precise part of the engine, unless this was done at a machine shop with all the necessary equipment to do the job correctly.
I just did this jobs in my garage change the VVT , Timing Chain and Tensioner. Took me a bit but got it done for around $500 parts, the Dealer was charging $2500.
Interesting. This falls under the "For the want of a nail, the horse was lost..." thing. Had Honda used a better spring maybe these vtc actuators wouldn't be failing.
I dont think its necessarily the quality of the spring but the overall design. But mind you, most vehicles with vvt cams have this issue over time, but I notice this happens almost always on cars with bad maintenance history or cheap oil. Its much rarer on vehicles using synthetic oil and maintained very well/ frequently.
This only happens to my CRV on winter on cold morning starts. I'm retired now, and where I live we have fairly mild winters, it rarely get to freezing, but I usually only go out late mornings or early afternoons usually and the temperature has warmed up by then. In summer there is no issue.
Same problem on Toyota 1.8L engines. All 3 of my Pontiac Vines 2009-2010 had this. Takes me 4 hrs to replace the cam phaser going at a relaxed speed. People hear the noise and get rid of the cars typically because they have over 100K miles.
Very good explanation and demonstration of work. THANK YOU! This should apply to even RX350/450h Lexus cars with 2GRFE engine. I've always made sure to have enough oil in my car and the 12V battery is not too old. Don't try to stretch the usage of the battery past 3 1/2 years. A good battery gives you a good start when you turn the engine in the morning.
I have a 20. 16 Honda Fit, I noticed that in the wintertime. It tends to rattle when I started but not in the summer. I live in Southern California. I have a question if when I shut the engine down.If I rev it a little bit before I shut it down will that.Build the pressure and lock the mechanism so it won't rattle the next time I start it
Most of the time, that 1 to 2 seconds rattling noise on start up is the actuator. The timing chain tensioner does go bad too but most of the time it will jump timing and be a different problem, like no starting etc.
@@motorcarnut been working at dealership, at first we’re just changing actuator, then comes back after a few months, the chain stretch, the guide wore out
People have to make that decision based on time, money and what they are experiencing . I do have videos on changing the timing chain and guides as well.
Did that on my Toyota Camry. I however replaced the whole unit gear. I did it without doing the timing chain, was a touch and go for a minute getting the timing right
Thank you for that information, I just had someone ask me that exact question. So there is probably not spring fix but can replace the whole gear without messing with the timing chain, Hondas too but this is cheaper and a little less involved.
Great video! I’m going to do this on my ‘14 CRV . It has 195,000 miles on it, runs great. Should I be fine to replace the intake without a new gasket? Just worried about throwing an engine code for a vacuum leak. Just wondering because of the mileage. Thank you!
You're talking about the valve cover gasket correct? Just buy a new gasket, they are cheap online, or you can clean the old gasket and use some gasket maker on the whole surface.
@motorcarnut it doesn't make sense to me because the spring would rub directly on the cover but ok. I'll be on the lookout for ones without the plastic spring retainers
The Honda dealership wants $3,700 to replace pistons and rings. They said low oil caused piston wear, but didn’t know why a loss of oil. I have a 2012 Crosstour with the 4-cylinder V-tech engine. Should I believe them?
Unless you have really abused your engine and had poor oil change intervals , they are full of it. Honda has been using lower tension piston rings since about 2010 (when they went from 5w30 to 0w20 oil) and cars either burn oil or have significant oil dilution. What happens is your piston rings start to char burning oil onto the rings and they get stuck to the piston allowing the issue to get worse. Best course of action is to try to free them yourself. Monitor your current oil consumption and then try any variety of solutions that are out there. I’m trying the most gentle approach on my ‘11 CRV by using the new Valvoline Restore & Protect oil. It’s supposed to clean those deposits and free the piston rings. My car currently burns about 1 quart of oil every 1,500 miles and I’ve seen other YTers with similar consumption issues showing great results. Hope this helps!
So when you replace the valve cover gasket... you put rtv on each 4 corners...like as in ... putting the gasket on and then rub some rtv on top of the new gasket on each corner?
When you remove the old gasket, you need to clean the old sealant from the corners (mating surfaces) where the block and side covers meet. When you clean everything up you will clearly see the tiny gaps. Then you need to reapply a dab of sealant to those mating surfaces to fill in the gap. Then place the cover and gasket over it. The gasket will not fill the gap without the sealant in place.
Depends on the vehicle, this Honda has a continuous rubber that doesn't require any sealant and I didn't see any when I took it off but most others do require it like you stated.
Wow, so interesting. Just today i discovered this problem when researching a 2014 honda Crosstour i was thinking of buying. It has the 4 cylinder engine. Other videos say that this is a design flaw and that ALL of these VTC actuators eventually go bad. Not something i want to deal with! I am not a mechanic. Wondering if i could find a mechanic that would even listen to me and do just what your video shows?? The car i am looking at has about 124k miles on it and the timing chain was recently replaced. I assume with honda parts but who knows (carfax report). Is there any average time the repair will last? One guy had his go bad after another 2000 miles! I thought i had finally found the car to replace my 1995 odyssey with 250k miles but maybe not!!!
Depends on the mechanic but probably not if they are not familiar with it. It is a design flaw. Replacing the spring seems to last longer than replacing the VTC gear and costs less. It's not hard to do so it's a good option.
Hello I did this in my Toyota Avensis 1.8 petrol. the rattling is gone Is it possible that the spring is now too stretched? After starting the engine does not work evenly, errors p0351, p0352, p0340 appeared
I don't know what you did or didn't do? This video is for a Honda not a Toyota so the spring pressure may be off. You can't just stretch the original spring, that won't last and will cause the same if not worse problems.
@@motorcarnut Shown 2012-2018 for CR-V and 2003-2011 for Element Didn't see one for year 2005 CR-V. CR-V & Element use the same chassis & engine, right?
I looked at the link you provided for the spring kit. How do I know which one to get? I have a 2015 Honda Fit. It didn’t list a Honda Fit, unless I over looked it. Thanks
@@motorcarnut Sorry, I guess what I was trying to say was that my car has been doing this for around six months now. No check engine light has come on ever. Do you think that if it were more serious and needed more than this spring to fix the rattle, would I have known by now through a check engine light? Just in your opinion of course.
Not really because the noise even though not detrimental to the engine short term, it's the spring that failed and should be replaced because that noise is a wearing sound that's not supposed to be there.
Thank you for this valuable information! A lot of people were wondering how long it will last and I believe as well that it will last longer than a new actuator because they use the same old spring.
The link for the bolts comes up as a cap bolt with an 5mm allen hex head. Your video shows a regular hex head bolt and that is what I would like to use. Do you have the link for the hex headed bolt? Thanks.
Thanks for the info, I just changed the link in the video and here: www.amazon.com/Flanged-Flange-Hexagon-Screws-Quantity/dp/B08KS95D4G/ref=sxin_16_pa_sp_search_thematic_sspa?content-id=amzn1.sym.76d54fcc-2362-404d-ab9b-b0653e2b2239%3Aamzn1.sym.76d54fcc-2362-404d-ab9b-b0653e2b2239&crid=AMO7LEJ4U3KD&cv_ct_cx=6mm%2Bx%2B30mm%2Bbolt&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.T0pvT-6w8Af_guGPokO6jdEQI3JCoQgZGJ71gI4fBzOu8ujjSRib4I87YKdl551OvLkXNsXLMw8f9YKQ3dwncQ.IqlAj33L0cFy-N9ibg-mUeGbVuD3H2Bwra_0FCtQouo&dib_tag=se&keywords=6mm%2Bx%2B30mm%2Bbolt&pd_rd_i=B08KS95D4G&pd_rd_r=019ad2ea-f52d-4bff-8774-12d981b2998b&pd_rd_w=XAQ6m&pd_rd_wg=1sfL2&pf_rd_p=76d54fcc-2362-404d-ab9b-b0653e2b2239&pf_rd_r=D85212QWZMW9GK4NGGBN&qid=1731812041&sbo=RZvfv%2F%2FHxDF%2BO5021pAnSA%3D%3D&sprefix=6mm%2Bx%2B30mm%2Bbolt%2Caps%2C230&sr=1-2-6024b2a3-78e4-4fed-8fed-e1613be3bcce-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9zZWFyY2hfdGhlbWF0aWM&th=1
I get this noise on some start ups similar to the video and I also got a P1009 error code recently. I just replaced the VVT solenoid, but the code came up after replacing the solenoid. Could doing what was done in video resolve the P1009 code?
Would this cause any engine damage if leave it with this issue ??? I have a 2005 Manual transmission honda CRV, When you put the engine cover back, did you have to put a new seal or use engine silicone paste ???
It's not supposed to make noise, that noise it wear so over time it will get worse. If you never took off the valve cover I would just buy a gasket ahead of time before you start and no gasket maker.
I have a 2012 Civic Si that just started doing this at 67,000 miles. I looked at the springs but i didnt see one for my make and model. Do you know which spring i should get?
@motorcarnut Thank you for getting back to me. I found it and bookmarked the page. Is this something i could wait on? I'm at 67k miles and plan on doing a valve adjustment at the beginning of the year. I'd like to try and get it all done in one shot. Or is this serious enough i should do it sooner?
My Toyota does the same thing and is sluggish/loud but not all the time. Most repair shops want to charge me like 8 hours of labor for it which is really expensive, like $160 an hour. And then they think it’s potentially a big engine problem. What do you suggest I do? Also where do you live? Maybe I’ll come to you for this repair if you’re not too far out and do repairs
Sounds like you may have a timing chain stretch problem or may be the VVT cam gear. But IDK i'm not there to dianoise the problem. Maybe you can make a video of the noise and I will give a listen.
Honda uses steel actuators while Toyota uses aluminum. Depending on how long it’s been going on, you may have to replace the entire actuator because the steel pin will eventually gouge the aluminum housing and a simple spring replacement won’t make a difference 😢
Wonder this will work in the vq35de vtc cold start noise? Cannot find any information about the nissan cam gear, people just change the cam gear which cost $600 each brand new..
Hang on. I'm aware that the VCT actuator works on oil pressure. But are you saying that the chain tensioner works on oil pressure also? I thought it was just spring loaded.
It may throw the timing off and will only get worse and be unreliable. Should not come back with updated springs. They usually start making noise again when people but I new one that wasn’t updated.
As I understand VTC actuator must be in unlock position during the time of installation only. After that when engine is in everyday use VTC actuator must be locked all the time. Am I correct?
No when installing the actuator they want it unlocked so it doesn't damage the pin when torquing the bolt. The actuator is oil pressure controlled so depending on the engine load its changing constantly throughout the driving cycle.
I have a 2015 FIT EX with the 1.5 liter with 65K miles, that has the brief rattle at startup. Will this repair work for it? I asked a local mechanic about the repair; he said that most people don't get it fixed. I guess they just live with it.
@@motorcarnut OK thanks. Is this something that the average shade tree mechanic can tackle? I've done brake pads/rotors, radiators, starters, plugs, oil changes, & similar tasks. Regarding the sealing adhesive for the valve cover, do you recommend any particular one?
I have a ‘10 Fit and if your engine is similar to mine it is a PITA. Unlike the video which is a breeze to get to the valve cover, the Fit needs much more work just to get near the valve cover. Very doable, but just be prepared for much more time to remove the air intake, throttle and intake manifold 😢
Hello, in my Honda accord 2012 2.4cyl there is loud cranking sound on startup along with this rattle sound. As well after running 30km when I put on the accelerator it makes a noise and suddenly when speed gets up that rattling sound goes away. So it can be the same problem?
You had a different problem, probably a weak tensioner and stretched chain. Should of replaced the actuator too only a matter of time before it fails on these Hondas.
do you happen to know how serious this problem is and like how soon it should be fixed? and should i be scared to get to work or anything? beside the car feeling sluggish it shifts fine and obviously starts up everytime but i’m just scared something can happen
If you have the start up rattle and it’s already feeling sluggish, I wouldn’t wait to get it fixed. It controls the valve timing that will give you that lack of power.
8:25, not 90 ft-lb, should be 96 in-lb = 8 ft-lb. However, there are other references like SpringStart and some Honda forum calling for 10 ft-lb. I see no harm to use 10 ft-lb.
My Toyota does the same thing and is sluggish/loud but not all the time. Most repair shops want to charge me like 8 hours of labor for it which is really expensive, like $160 an hour. And then they think it’s potentially a big engine problem. What do you suggest I do?
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Omg the Honda dealership has replaced my actuator 3 times now, saying my car is running out of oil and not getting my old changed, so now I check my oil every two damn weeks it’s lame 😮what a rip off!!! Gonna show the dealership this next time it makes this noise again!!! Always does in winter time! Always
Can the spring be replaced with the gear still on the car? Without removing the timing chain? 2015 crv 106k just started doing this. I adjusted the valves already and replaced the valve cover gasket. Wish I would have seen this video before I just put it all back together.
Hey are you from longiland ? my wife is .. this is great i got a 05 honda2.4 ellement No one knows what to do with it up here except replace the VTEC sel unbeleaable thank you so much
My brother, Thank you for this very detailed video. It is clear and concise. I have a 2011 Honda Accord le 2.4 liter 4cyl that has been making the cold rattle noise. I noticed in the video you was working on a VTEC however would this method work for my non VTEC Accord?
Thank you very much for your prompt response. Your detailed video has given me the courage to do the job myself since mechanics have been telling me that it will be a big job and will cost hundreds of dollars.
I just bought an 8th gen Accord for fairly cheap because it does this. Traded in my old ford Escape for it as well. I am not a mechanic or professional or even a hobbyist but I did change my spark plugs, break pads+rotors and have done a few other things back when I had a Civic. I don't know if you just made it look easy because of your experience or the editing but this looks to be within my capabilities. I just ordered the springs and am going to give it a shot (very carefully). This is my only car and I can't afford a new one so I hope it all works out. If I can do it then literally anyone can. I may not have the experience but I do have a reasonable amount of confidence.
That's a good attitude to have, most of it is just being careful and following the steps! I never edit anything to make it look easier. Just don't rush or drop anything in the engine where I state that in the video. Good luck!
Probably a stretched belt. Had the same squeak on my ‘11 CRV. I replaced the belt - Problem solved. If you look at the tensioner from above you can see two distinct displacement marks. If they are off center from one another, it’s a stretched belt. If not, then tensioner is failing.
Awesome video! Now I still don't feel confident doing this and I don't have the money at the moment to get it fixed. How long are you able to ignore this issue?
Not forever like this other person mentioned but it’s not so critical to change it right this minute. Keep in mind that noise is wear and should be replaced sooner than later.
I had a P0011, and P1651, with loud rattling, can’t thank you enough! I saved $1800, I own a 2009 Honda Accord EXL with 88k miles, I went to Home Depot, bought 5 M60x30 bolts ($6.28), orange thread lock ($2.99), reused my original spring just stretched it and reinsert with new Home Depot screws with thread lock. Now all the codes went away and drives perfect again! The dealer was going to charge me for a new timing belt replacement, new actuator, new tensioner, whole new PZEV VVT, and oil change for $1800 without tax. Took me 30 minutes, Boom! Drove it and it was fine. It’s been 2 weeks now, drives normal and no rattling while start up and no rattling while driving! ❤❤❤❤
You're welcome!!!! Awesome! You just saved yourself a lot of money!
I was just quoted the same. This method is tempting.
how is it running now? still good? did u use alloy or zinc bolts?
This is also problem in the 3.6 engines. I repaired mine on Christmas. Thank you sir!
Thank you as well for the feedback!
I like the way you are really going down to the bottom of the issue not just change the VTC. Thinking of taking this job on in my garage soon.
Thank you! Good luck with yours!
Thank you so much for the detailed explanation and breakdown. I had seen other videos that replace the spring, but it was your explanation which gave me the confidence to attempt this on a 2014 Honda CR-V. And I am exceptionally happy to report it was entirely successful with no more startup rattle!
Awesome! This is what I love to here and really appreciate you taking the time to leave your feedback on your results!
I have a 2008 Accord EXL that started doing this at 130K. Honda repaired it at a cost of 1k. Problem returned at 160k. Decided to let it go until it dies. It now has 205k. Still hasn't died
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Very common issue for this engine. So common, you would think that a reliable manufacturer like Honda would have recalled all the vehicles associated with this issue. No way! That would cost them serious money. So they issued a TSB for it. Original owners had a small window of opportunity to get it fixed free of charge. But guess what? The same issue returns again and again. It is an engine flaw, courtesy of the engineers. Thankfully, I haven't seen any reports of any catastrophic engine failure because of it. These engines will reliably run. Just do the reccomended service accordingly. And tolerate an annoying noise. And btw, I owned a 2012 CRV with this engine. Bought it used with 112k on in 2019. I put 30k miles on it. Traded it in for a bigger suv. Good video 👍
I agree with you, I think it was a design flaw from the manufacturer, not a quality problem. But this fix seems to work longer than a new actuator gear with the same old spring design.
I have a 2008 that I bought used that had 128k. It started making that noise at 135k. I had the VTC replaced and the noise came back after a year at 150k. I decided if it is going to die it is going to die. It now has 201k
Try the new spring, Not that hard to do and should last longer.
Yeah Honda has a service bulletin on the VTC cam gear (cam phaser) and the updated part doesn't have this issue. No the issue doesn't return again, your dealership probably lied to you and used the old part again LOL..I bought the new part online and had the dealer do a whole timing chain job and put the new VTC gear on and the noise doesn't come back.
They (honda) made a new part to remedy this problem... So it shouldn't happen over and over again..
Just finished the job on a 2014 CRV.
Taking the original bolt off was the most unnerving part of the job.
I rotated the crankshaft to position each bolt at the very top to get a good
grip on it. Replaced them with 6 mm x 30 mm hexagonal flanged bolts.
If I have to re do the job it will be a breeze taking them off now.
Lets hope this will be it though!
Thank you so much!
Good to hear you got it done! Glad the video helped. Good luck! and thanks for the feedback!
Damm Sr, hearing you its like a teacher explaining to kids using apples!! Very very appreciated thanks a lot!!!
Really appreciate the feedback!! Take care!
Teaching the younger Gen gotta love it good job
Thank you! and I do love to teach!
I replaced the VTC and 10,000 miles later the same rattle came back 😡 I always use synthetic “Mobil 1” oil and regardless manufacturer schedule I do my oil change every 5k miles
Did you replace the spring or the whole actuator?
@ your trick is really good ! Yes , I replaced the whole VTC brand new, purchased from Honda dealer, I was so disappointed that I sold my 2008 Accord , was my last Honda after years of Acura/Honda in my family, now I own a 2013 Camry with the same stupid noise ( ONLY PROBLEM) and I’m going to do the same you recommend 👍🏻💪🏻
Thank you!, It's a shame Honda never updated that spring in the new actuators. Good luck with the Toyota fix!
This is a great video, thanks. My 14 crv makes this noise once in awhile. Once again, thanks for your detailed video and stressing not to drop any hardware into timing cover 👍🏽
Glad I could help, and thanks for the feedback! Appreciated!
Unfortunately this job has an estimated of $411.00+ jobs.
Also with the mileages/ages of the car, the valve cover gasket, inlet tubes, spark plugs & coils will be needed. Not doing those replacement, you will get oil leaks & a very upset owner. Most of the time owners are not going to have it repair or fix.
Once the shop made a mistake, then time will be lost for nothing.
But if you can attempt to DIY, you can save on the labor $$$$.
MotorCarNut, thank you for taking your time out & sharing.
Sure no problem. Appreciate the support!
@@motorcarnut Different question from above. Can a camshaft's lobe be repaired by welding rather than replacing the camshaft?
Got a 1986 BMW M7 [modified from an (E23) uses M30 engine] with common/major problem & BMW refused to correct it.
Parts are very hard to find & if one does find them they are very outrages, just for used parts.
Car has less than 23K & always serviced by BMW, master mechanics & my uncle.
You know how to weld a camshaft's lobe in the engine or have a video?
I hear where you are coming from but I never welded a cam shaft lobe before. I really wouldn't recommend it being such a precise part of the engine, unless this was done at a machine shop with all the necessary equipment to do the job correctly.
I just did this jobs in my garage change the VVT , Timing Chain and Tensioner. Took me a bit but got it done for around $500 parts, the Dealer was charging $2500.
Hey you saved 1 fifth the price! I think that's great! Good job!
Interesting. This falls under the "For the want of a nail, the horse was lost..." thing. Had Honda used a better spring maybe these vtc actuators wouldn't be failing.
Very true, nowadays everything is made cheaper to cut costs and it shows in all vehicle manufacturing
I dont think its necessarily the quality of the spring but the overall design. But mind you, most vehicles with vvt cams have this issue over time, but I notice this happens almost always on cars with bad maintenance history or cheap oil. Its much rarer on vehicles using synthetic oil and maintained very well/ frequently.
It it a problem and a lot of vehicles never experience this. But I agree mostly everyone comes down to properly maintaining their vehicle.
Yeah Honda has a service bulletin on the VTC cam gear (cam phaser) and the updated part doesn't have this issue
90 in pounds
Wasn’t sure which spring you chose from the kit.
The one that comes the closest to your original swing. There are different sizes even thought the actuators look the same.
This only happens to my CRV on winter on cold morning starts. I'm retired now, and where I live we have fairly mild winters, it rarely get to freezing, but I usually only go out late mornings or early afternoons usually and the temperature has warmed up by then. In summer there is no issue.
You can just leave it then, unless it starts to get worse.
Same problem on Toyota 1.8L engines. All 3 of my Pontiac Vines 2009-2010 had this. Takes me 4 hrs to replace the cam phaser going at a relaxed speed. People hear the noise and get rid of the cars typically because they have over 100K miles.
True
Very good explanation and demonstration of work. THANK YOU! This should apply to even RX350/450h Lexus cars with 2GRFE engine.
I've always made sure to have enough oil in my car and the 12V battery is not too old. Don't try to stretch the usage of the battery past 3 1/2 years. A good battery gives you a good start when you turn the engine in the morning.
You’re very welcome. The battery is definitely a huge factor in cold start problems as well.
Tnx
It was helpful video for me
I have been suffering same problem.
Thank you as well, hopefully you’ll fix it yourself! Good luck!
Thank you for this video! I don't have this problem but this is very useful knowledge for the future. You explained it very detailed and thorough!
You're welcome! I always like to be thorough while trying to explain it as easy as possible.
I have a 20.
16 Honda Fit, I noticed that in the wintertime. It tends to rattle when I started but not in the summer. I live in Southern California. I have a question if when I shut the engine down.If I rev it a little bit before I shut it down will that.Build the pressure and lock the mechanism so it won't rattle the next time I start it
No, because free revving doesn't put enough torque on the engine to lock them in.
True , still need to replace chain ,guide and tensioner
Most of the time, that 1 to 2 seconds rattling noise on start up is the actuator. The timing chain tensioner does go bad too but most of the time it will jump timing and be a different problem, like no starting etc.
@@motorcarnut been working at dealership, at first we’re just changing actuator, then comes back after a few months, the chain stretch, the guide wore out
@@motorcarnut you do not want to reach that point
People have to make that decision based on time, money and what they are experiencing . I do have videos on changing the timing chain and guides as well.
You don't, I agree .
Joe Pesci rules on screen and in the garage!!!
You know it! Lol
Did that on my Toyota Camry. I however replaced the whole unit gear. I did it without doing the timing chain, was a touch and go for a minute getting the timing right
Thank you for that information, I just had someone ask me that exact question. So there is probably not spring fix but can replace the whole gear without messing with the timing chain, Hondas too but this is cheaper and a little less involved.
The amount of videos ive seen of ppl changing the entire actuator and even pulling the camshaft is crazy for it to just be a spring.
I know, that's why I made the video. It will help people save a lot of money.
Great video! I’m going to do this on my ‘14 CRV . It has 195,000 miles on it, runs great. Should I be fine to replace the intake without a new gasket? Just worried about throwing an engine code for a vacuum leak. Just wondering because of the mileage. Thank you!
You're talking about the valve cover gasket correct? Just buy a new gasket, they are cheap online, or you can clean the old gasket and use some gasket maker on the whole surface.
Yes, the valve cover gasket, my bad. Thank you for your response!
No problem
You can reuse the gasket if you haven’t had leaks but definitely change the sealant in the four corners.
Where is the plastic spring retainer? I've never seen a vtc gear without it.
There are different generation VTC's and these don't have them.
@motorcarnut it doesn't make sense to me because the spring would rub directly on the cover but ok. I'll be on the lookout for ones without the plastic spring retainers
Maybe Honda thought metal to metal with an oil barrier was better than a plastic one. Who knows?
The Honda dealership wants $3,700 to replace pistons and rings. They said low oil caused piston wear, but didn’t know why a loss of oil. I have a 2012 Crosstour with the 4-cylinder V-tech engine. Should I believe them?
Just get a second opinion without telling the second shop what the first one said. And see what they say?
Unless you have really abused your engine and had poor oil change intervals , they are full of it. Honda has been using lower tension piston rings since about 2010 (when they went from 5w30 to 0w20 oil) and cars either burn oil or have significant oil dilution. What happens is your piston rings start to char burning oil onto the rings and they get stuck to the piston allowing the issue to get worse. Best course of action is to try to free them yourself. Monitor your current oil consumption and then try any variety of solutions that are out there. I’m trying the most gentle approach on my ‘11 CRV by using the new Valvoline Restore & Protect oil. It’s supposed to clean those deposits and free the piston rings. My car currently burns about 1 quart of oil every 1,500 miles and I’ve seen other YTers with similar consumption issues showing great results. Hope this helps!
@ Thanks for the info-great help and advice. I have always changed my car’s oil at the required interval and ensured car has been properly maintained.
@markmath2883 No problem
Thank you for posting! Very interesting way to fix Honda vct sprocket rattling! Help a lot of people.
You're welcome!
So when you replace the valve cover gasket... you put rtv on each 4 corners...like as in ... putting the gasket on and then rub some rtv on top of the new gasket on each corner?
It's not necessary but you can if you want to.
When you remove the old gasket, you need to clean the old sealant from the corners (mating surfaces) where the block and side covers meet. When you clean everything up you will clearly see the tiny gaps. Then you need to reapply a dab of sealant to those mating surfaces to fill in the gap. Then place the cover and gasket over it. The gasket will not fill the gap without the sealant in place.
Depends on the vehicle, this Honda has a continuous rubber that doesn't require any sealant and I didn't see any when I took it off but most others do require it like you stated.
Awesome video im going to take this on in the driveway on my 12 civic si.
I hope it helps you out! Good luck!
Wow, so interesting. Just today i discovered this problem when researching a 2014 honda Crosstour i was thinking of buying. It has the 4 cylinder engine. Other videos say that this is a design flaw and that ALL of these VTC actuators eventually go bad. Not something i want to deal with! I am not a mechanic. Wondering if i could find a mechanic that would even listen to me and do just what your video shows?? The car i am looking at has about 124k miles on it and the timing chain was recently replaced. I assume with honda parts but who knows (carfax report). Is there any average time the repair will last? One guy had his go bad after another 2000 miles! I thought i had finally found the car to replace my 1995 odyssey with 250k miles but maybe not!!!
Depends on the mechanic but probably not if they are not familiar with it. It is a design flaw. Replacing the spring seems to last longer than replacing the VTC gear and costs less. It's not hard to do so it's a good option.
Thank you for great video, you are very observant mechanic! Since this is about K24 engine I wonder if K20 engine has the same problem also.
Thank you , really appreciate that! Yes, they do have the same problems unfortunately.
Interesting! My first thought is the motor has the wrong oil viscosity like 5w30 instead of 5w20
No, that viscosity difference is really nothing and would have to be really extreme to cause problems.
Hello I did this in my Toyota Avensis 1.8 petrol. the rattling is gone Is it possible that the spring is now too stretched? After starting the engine does not work evenly, errors p0351, p0352, p0340 appeared
I don't know what you did or didn't do? This video is for a Honda not a Toyota so the spring pressure may be off. You can't just stretch the original spring, that won't last and will cause the same if not worse problems.
Do you know the spring part number for 2005 Honda CR-V's?
Don't see it for 2005 CR-V
Whatever is stated on the website I listed is all I have.
@@motorcarnut Shown 2012-2018 for CR-V and 2003-2011 for Element
Didn't see one for year 2005 CR-V.
CR-V & Element use the same chassis & engine, right?
If your engine looks like the one in the video, it will work.
Brother, you saved me a headache. Thank you 👍🏼
You're welcome! Glad to hear that. Aprrcaite the feedback!
just the noise it wont hurting anything , you have to fix it
It can get worse and start effecting the valve timing..
I looked at the link you provided for the spring kit. How do I know which one to get? I have a 2015 Honda Fit. It didn’t list a Honda Fit, unless I over looked it. Thanks
You can call them as I wouldn't have that information in the factory manuals.
Would the check engine light come on if it were the timing chain or the VTC actuator? I have had this issue with my CRV for over six months.
Sure, it can cause many timing related codes.
@@motorcarnut Sorry, I guess what I was trying to say was that my car has been doing this for around six months now. No check engine light has come on ever. Do you think that if it were more serious and needed more than this spring to fix the rattle, would I have known by now through a check engine light? Just in your opinion of course.
Not really because the noise even though not detrimental to the engine short term, it's the spring that failed and should be replaced because that noise is a wearing sound that's not supposed to be there.
Wonder if this is the same on v6 engines with a belt?
The actuator and noise is but different repair procedure.
So how about a video on the 2017 Honda V6. I saw in the comments where its a different fix, any videos out there on the V6?
I haven’t had one come in yet with that problem.
I replaced the spring like 4 years ago and didn't heard the rattle again
Thank you for this valuable information! A lot of people were wondering how long it will last and I believe as well that it will last longer than a new actuator because they use the same old spring.
Does it matter which way you put the new spring in ?
No it does not.
The link for the bolts comes up as a cap bolt with an 5mm allen hex head. Your video shows a regular hex head bolt and that is what I would like to use. Do you have the link for the hex headed bolt? Thanks.
Thanks for the info, I just changed the link in the video and here:
www.amazon.com/Flanged-Flange-Hexagon-Screws-Quantity/dp/B08KS95D4G/ref=sxin_16_pa_sp_search_thematic_sspa?content-id=amzn1.sym.76d54fcc-2362-404d-ab9b-b0653e2b2239%3Aamzn1.sym.76d54fcc-2362-404d-ab9b-b0653e2b2239&crid=AMO7LEJ4U3KD&cv_ct_cx=6mm%2Bx%2B30mm%2Bbolt&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.T0pvT-6w8Af_guGPokO6jdEQI3JCoQgZGJ71gI4fBzOu8ujjSRib4I87YKdl551OvLkXNsXLMw8f9YKQ3dwncQ.IqlAj33L0cFy-N9ibg-mUeGbVuD3H2Bwra_0FCtQouo&dib_tag=se&keywords=6mm%2Bx%2B30mm%2Bbolt&pd_rd_i=B08KS95D4G&pd_rd_r=019ad2ea-f52d-4bff-8774-12d981b2998b&pd_rd_w=XAQ6m&pd_rd_wg=1sfL2&pf_rd_p=76d54fcc-2362-404d-ab9b-b0653e2b2239&pf_rd_r=D85212QWZMW9GK4NGGBN&qid=1731812041&sbo=RZvfv%2F%2FHxDF%2BO5021pAnSA%3D%3D&sprefix=6mm%2Bx%2B30mm%2Bbolt%2Caps%2C230&sr=1-2-6024b2a3-78e4-4fed-8fed-e1613be3bcce-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9zZWFyY2hfdGhlbWF0aWM&th=1
@@motorcarnut Thanks!!!
@mh1086 sure, no problem
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I get this noise on some start ups similar to the video and I also got a P1009 error code recently. I just replaced the VVT solenoid, but the code came up after replacing the solenoid. Could doing what was done in video resolve the P1009 code?
It can be as its related to valve timing.
@@motorcarnut Thank you. I will go and order than spring kit and hopefully fix that dreadful noise!
No problem, good luck!
So you don't have to put engine in top dead center please advise, as I'm having same problem and live on Social Security
No, not to do this job but you should have some basic mechanic knowledge.
@@motorcarnut I've seen videos saying you can just stretch old spring, would that be wise or best I'm sure to buy new one
That is not correct. Stretching the old spring is an inaccurate sloppy way that will do nothing but make you do the job again.
Does the 2018 Acura 3.5l have the same actuator?
Similar, but the repair procedure is different.
@@motorcarnut any videos on the Acura?
Sorry, not yet
Would this cause any engine damage if leave it with this issue ??? I have a 2005 Manual transmission honda CRV, When you put the engine cover back, did you have to put a new seal or use engine silicone paste ???
It's not supposed to make noise, that noise it wear so over time it will get worse. If you never took off the valve cover I would just buy a gasket ahead of time before you start and no gasket maker.
@@motorcarnut thank you for your response, nice video
Thank you!
I have a 2012 Civic Si that just started doing this at 67,000 miles. I looked at the springs but i didnt see one for my make and model. Do you know which spring i should get?
The company should know if you contact them. Honda doesn’t make just the spring.
@motorcarnut Thank you for getting back to me. I found it and bookmarked the page. Is this something i could wait on? I'm at 67k miles and plan on doing a valve adjustment at the beginning of the year. I'd like to try and get it all done in one shot. Or is this serious enough i should do it sooner?
@jazzmann1984 Sure, no problem! And yes, you can wait till beginning of next year.
My Toyota does the same thing and is sluggish/loud but not all the time. Most repair shops want to charge me like 8 hours of labor for it which is really expensive, like $160 an hour. And then they think it’s potentially a big engine problem. What do you suggest I do? Also where do you live? Maybe I’ll come to you for this repair if you’re not too far out and do repairs
Sounds like you may have a timing chain stretch problem or may be the VVT cam gear. But IDK i'm not there to dianoise the problem. Maybe you can make a video of the noise and I will give a listen.
Honda uses steel actuators while Toyota uses aluminum. Depending on how long it’s been going on, you may have to replace the entire actuator because the steel pin will eventually gouge the aluminum housing and a simple spring replacement won’t make a difference 😢
Link for the spring kit ?
Great video!
Never mind I just found it in the description. Thanks!
Thank you, it’s in the description.
Hello, does anyone know the dimensions of the spring? I cannot buy the kit where I am and I will have to find my own springs.
Sorry, I don't know and Honda has no part number for it either.
Wonder this will work in the vq35de vtc cold start noise? Cannot find any information about the nissan cam gear, people just change the cam gear which cost $600 each brand new..
Check the site listed in the video description and see if they make a kit for Nissan
@@motorcarnut Sadly nope
Then I don't know, sorry
certain Toyota's with the VVT-i have the same problem. Ultimately, I think it's harmless. Once the engine gets oil pressure it goes away.
It’s not as bad as some internal problems but the noise is a wear problem so it should be replaced
Would this cause your car to use up/ lose oil?
No, it wouldn't
Hang on. I'm aware that the VCT actuator works on oil pressure. But are you saying that the chain tensioner works on oil pressure also? I thought it was just spring loaded.
Absolutely, oil pressure
What would be the major consequences of not fixing this? I heard from multiple people that the noise comes back even after having it done?
It may throw the timing off and will only get worse and be unreliable. Should not come back with updated springs. They usually start making noise again when people but I new one that wasn’t updated.
As I understand VTC actuator must be in unlock position during the time of installation only. After that when engine is in everyday use VTC actuator must be locked all the time. Am I correct?
No when installing the actuator they want it unlocked so it doesn't damage the pin when torquing the bolt. The actuator is oil pressure controlled so depending on the engine load its changing constantly throughout the driving cycle.
@@motorcarnut Since VTC spring from the kit is stronger then original one can it mess around with oil circulation flowing into the actuator?
They can but these kits were tested with great results. The factory ones are a poor design so your left with few options.
Great informative video. Tighten replacement hex bolts to 90 inch-pounds or foot-pounds?
Thank you!
90 inch lbs
I have a 2015 FIT EX with the 1.5 liter with 65K miles, that has the brief rattle at startup. Will this repair work for it? I asked a local mechanic about the repair; he said that most people don't get it fixed. I guess they just live with it.
Yes it will. Should be fixed, not normal and will get worse.
@@motorcarnut OK thanks. Is this something that the average shade tree mechanic can tackle? I've done brake pads/rotors, radiators, starters, plugs, oil changes, & similar tasks. Regarding the sealing adhesive for the valve cover, do you recommend any particular one?
@johnmcrae5043 If you are patient and careful you can do it yourself. Just take your time and if you get stuck give me a holler. Good luck!
I have a ‘10 Fit and if your engine is similar to mine it is a PITA. Unlike the video which is a breeze to get to the valve cover, the Fit needs much more work just to get near the valve cover. Very doable, but just be prepared for much more time to remove the air intake, throttle and intake manifold 😢
Great Video! DO you know if Toyotas 2.5L Dynamic Force Engine are any good? Or are Honda engines better for reliability
They are both good engines . All vehicles have their good and bad parts or designs.
Hello, in my Honda accord 2012 2.4cyl there is loud cranking sound on startup along with this rattle sound. As well after running 30km when I put on the accelerator it makes a noise and suddenly when speed gets up that rattling sound goes away. So it can be the same problem?
The timing chain may be stretched along with the actuator noise
@@motorcarnut will it be to change the timing chain with actuator spring ? Or just the re adjustment would be enough to troubleshoot?
No because the timing chain tensioners are known to fail so there isn't and adjustment just replacement.
Is there any spring kit for corolla 2009
That I don't know. You can search some of the Toyota forums online
So I can replace this with just the valve cover off?
Yes
I changed chain hydraulic tensioner and problem gone , I have 2015 Honda accord .
You had a different problem, probably a weak tensioner and stretched chain. Should of replaced the actuator too only a matter of time before it fails on these Hondas.
What size new bolts for the actuator?
It's in the description link to Amazon.
I have a 2007 civic si which one do I buy
In the description is a link to the site, from there you can see the ones for your vehicle.
I hear that rattling noice while idling my car at a stop and it turns on my low oil warning. Will this fix the issue? Thanks in advance
You have to fix the low oil pressure problem first as the actuator is controlled by oil pressure.
👍👍 great video love it
Glad you liked it! Appreciate the feedback!
do you happen to know how serious this problem is and like how soon it should be fixed? and should i be scared to get to work or anything? beside the car feeling sluggish it shifts fine and obviously starts up everytime but i’m just scared something can happen
If you have the start up rattle and it’s already feeling sluggish, I wouldn’t wait to get it fixed. It controls the valve timing that will give you that lack of power.
@@motorcarnutnice so i’m cooked 😭
@4k_elii168 Not really but if you can do it yourself it’s not that hard following my video
8:25, not 90 ft-lb, should be 96 in-lb = 8 ft-lb. However, there are other references like SpringStart and some Honda forum calling for 10 ft-lb. I see no harm to use 10 ft-lb.
The information I get is directly from Honda’s service manuals not the internet, 90 inch lbs.
Great job and appreciate your video.
Thank you for watching, I hope it helps!
My Toyota does the same thing and is sluggish/loud but not all the time. Most repair shops want to charge me like 8 hours of labor for it which is really expensive, like $160 an hour. And then they think it’s potentially a big engine problem. What do you suggest I do?
I just answered your last post.
new link for the screws?
Thank you, didn't know that link was not available anymore. Here is another one:
www.amazon.com/Flanged-Flange-Hexagon-Screws-Quantity/dp/B08KS95D4G/ref=sxin_16_pa_sp_search_thematic_sspa?content-id=amzn1.sym.76d54fcc-2362-404d-ab9b-b0653e2b2239%3Aamzn1.sym.76d54fcc-2362-404d-ab9b-b0653e2b2239&crid=AMO7LEJ4U3KD&cv_ct_cx=6mm%2Bx%2B30mm%2Bbolt&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.T0pvT-6w8Af_guGPokO6jdEQI3JCoQgZGJ71gI4fBzOu8ujjSRib4I87YKdl551OvLkXNsXLMw8f9YKQ3dwncQ.IqlAj33L0cFy-N9ibg-mUeGbVuD3H2Bwra_0FCtQouo&dib_tag=se&keywords=6mm%2Bx%2B30mm%2Bbolt&pd_rd_i=B08KS95D4G&pd_rd_r=019ad2ea-f52d-4bff-8774-12d981b2998b&pd_rd_w=XAQ6m&pd_rd_wg=1sfL2&pf_rd_p=76d54fcc-2362-404d-ab9b-b0653e2b2239&pf_rd_r=D85212QWZMW9GK4NGGBN&qid=1731812041&sbo=RZvfv%2F%2FHxDF%2BO5021pAnSA%3D%3D&sprefix=6mm%2Bx%2B30mm%2Bbolt%2Caps%2C230&sr=1-2-6024b2a3-78e4-4fed-8fed-e1613be3bcce-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9zZWFyY2hfdGhlbWF0aWM&th=1
7:56 or 8:24, which is it? Never mind. Looks like you clarified later in the video.
Sorry, if there was a confusion.
Awesome tip to replace the spring on the Intake Cam.... However, please do NOT put an adjustable wrench on the camshaft lobe!!!
That's correct. As you can see in the video, there is a place to put a wrench on the camshaft that has flat spots. Never on the lobes.
Same as on the 3.5 V6?
No, its not.
where can i buy this kit? i need the springs
It’s in the video description.
Thank you very much sir❤
You're welcome, hope this saves you some money!
Great informative video, Thank-you 👌🏼👍🏻
Thanks! Hope it helps save you some money!
Omg the Honda dealership has replaced my actuator 3 times now, saying my car is running out of oil and not getting my old changed, so now I check my oil every two damn weeks it’s lame 😮what a rip off!!! Gonna show the dealership this next time it makes this noise again!!! Always does in winter time! Always
They probably just want to sell you parts to make a buck. You'll save a lot of money with this video!
Stay away from stealerships , they are worthless besides taking your money!!!
Awesome video!!
Appreciate the support!
How much it cost to get this job done?
Can’t give a quote, too many variables
Can the spring be replaced with the gear still on the car? Without removing the timing chain? 2015 crv 106k just started doing this. I adjusted the valves already and replaced the valve cover gasket. Wish I would have seen this video before I just put it all back together.
Absolutely, just follow the video.
Beautiful explanation, very helpful thank you.
Thanks, appreciate that!
Hey are you from longiland ? my wife is .. this is great i got a 05 honda2.4 ellement No one knows what to do with it up here except replace the VTEC sel unbeleaable thank you so much
Thank you really appreciate the kind words! Yes LI but not for long! Good luck!
My brother, Thank you for this very detailed video. It is clear and concise. I have a 2011 Honda Accord le 2.4 liter 4cyl that has been making the cold rattle noise. I noticed in the video you was working on a VTEC however would this method work for my non VTEC Accord?
Thank you as well for the feedback! Yes, your engine still has variable valve timing.
Thank you very much for your prompt response. Your detailed video has given me the courage to do the job myself since mechanics have been telling me that it will be a big job and will cost hundreds of dollars.
Go for it, if you get stuck give me a shout out! Good luck
I just bought an 8th gen Accord for fairly cheap because it does this. Traded in my old ford Escape for it as well. I am not a mechanic or professional or even a hobbyist but I did change my spark plugs, break pads+rotors and have done a few other things back when I had a Civic. I don't know if you just made it look easy because of your experience or the editing but this looks to be within my capabilities. I just ordered the springs and am going to give it a shot (very carefully). This is my only car and I can't afford a new one so I hope it all works out. If I can do it then literally anyone can. I may not have the experience but I do have a reasonable amount of confidence.
That's a good attitude to have, most of it is just being careful and following the steps! I never edit anything to make it look easier. Just don't rush or drop anything in the engine where I state that in the video. Good luck!
What is the noise from that you hear after the fix at startup? Belt tensioner?
Nothing, its normal operation, vehicles make some normal noises, its a combustion engine.
Probably a stretched belt. Had the same squeak on my ‘11 CRV. I replaced the belt - Problem solved. If you look at the tensioner from above you can see two distinct displacement marks. If they are off center from one another, it’s a stretched belt. If not, then tensioner is failing.
Good info, but this one was fine.
I got a Dorman aftermarket actuator for about $45
They are not reliable and require much more work than in this video.
Thanks for vid. What a complete joke that Honda put that cheap spring in there
Sure no problem. Yes Honda dropped the ball on that one.
Thanks for the video, question, what’s the right size for the bolts? The amazon link shows different sizes of bolts, thanks
M6-1.0 x 30mm that should be the Amazon link
Thank you
@axelrealtor my pleasure.
Mine doesn’t make a noise on start up. Only when driving at low rpm
Yours is probably timing chain slap with is worse and should be taken care of asap before it jumps timing and destroys the engine.
Great stuff!
Appreciate it!Thanks for the comment!
I heard it comes back again in a year or months
It may, or may not. I haven't had one come back. Honda has to step up their game, no reason for this.
Awesome video! Now I still don't feel confident doing this and I don't have the money at the moment to get it fixed.
How long are you able to ignore this issue?
Forever
Not forever like this other person mentioned but it’s not so critical to change it right this minute. Keep in mind that noise is wear and should be replaced sooner than later.
@motorcarnut thank you!
Sure, no problem
Excellent video 🙌🏼
Appreciate it! Thanks
M6 30 mm? 2009 accord 2.4
Should be
Thank you
@JeffJones2002 no problem
Update, I did the spring swap, it worked out great 👍, thanks 🙏
@JeffJones2002 awesome!!! Thanks for the update!
Hyundai elantras have the same issue
Most vehicles do with variable valve timing however haven't seen it yet on VW's.