Oh boy i cant wait to see you start messing with the 224 especially when you put the racing clutch on and it really locks up especially with mods thing would really move and mods are available from what i was told from omb warehouse is that the clone arc 3.303 rod is the right rod for the 224 and the arc clone flywheels will work as well as clone cams (clearancing on the cam most likely) due to the added stroke i cant wait for my parts to get here and i can start my build im shooting for 9000 rpms
@@Black66 i saw you posted a pic and so i had to pull a couple strings i guess but i got my hands on one and honestly its this is great and all but i feel like they could have done just a little bit better and given us the full metal cam and automotive style retainers and keeps but from the looks of it isnt gonna as easily modified as the 212 by just being able to drop in a cam without clearancing and then you add a billet rod things are gonna get tight
@@madness_-yg3lw Oh Ya for sure. This engine will be just as easy to modify as the 212. The 224 has the advantage because of the "Ducar block" It's a better-quality block. For me I'm not really too concerned about the cam and stuff because it's all going to be changed out anyway as I start modifying the engine. It's a great starting point. Strong block and a 58MM stroke.
@@Black66 these 224s are gonna be some real power houses even on a mild set up im so glad they did away the the "hemi head" for these engines as non hemi in my opinion are a better option as you can run higher lift and you can always modify the head to increase cfm im gonna run a puals kart head on this 224 once i get the entire bottom end built i would hate to lose a head that cost 3xs the engine but before i get that head im gonna run a thinner head gasket and work the 224 ports
Hello!! I just retired at 60 grew up on a 2-1/2 HP Skat Kitty 2 of them back in the late 60's, went to 5 hp trailhorse boss in the early 70's and 2 Rupl Roadsters, the information you are providing us is invaluable. I certainly appreciate it and am looking forward to building top shelf mini-bikes in my retirement. Great numbers you provide thank you so much. Always loved the 5 inch street tires too much fun. Appreciate all your help, it's excellent. 👍
I just picked my 224cc PREDATOR up from harbor freight for $160 because of presidents’ Day specials I am so fortunate to get it at that price and it’s all because of you my friend thank you for all the great content keep it coming for the mods on this engine I will go back and watch every video of yours thanks again!
I have a bone stock 224 minus governor on a Massimo MB200 with 30 series torque converter. I hit 50 mph today going uphill. At 4600 ft elevation. So far very happy with the 224. Thanks for sharing.
@@Black66 Appreciate your informative videos, very helpful. Although I like good performance my real goal was a daily rider sleeper bike. I think the stock 224 fits the bill. Thanks.
@@phatmotocat Thanks! Check out the $135 sleeoer video I did on the 196. This thing hit 65MPH shown in many video. th-cam.com/video/9Tk-t17M-ww/w-d-xo.html
@@phatmotocat Check out the $135 sleeper video I did on the 196. This bike hit 65MPH and was faiily quick getting there. th-cam.com/video/9Tk-t17M-ww/w-d-xo.html
Black 66, just wanted to share …i just tested my ct200u with my predator 224 straight chained with 10tooth max torque clutch and stock 50 rear with stock tires and vm22mikuni, gov removal, cl1 cam,18 pound springs, 6 degree key, champion rockers, thin head gasket, and header pipe. Im at 190 pounds. Bike went 50 mph…weight makes a huge difference like u said dude!
Im getting a predator 212 non hemi tomorrow for $89 with my harbor freight cash…we will see how fast that will go straight chained on this bike with my weight…i will let u know dude👍 thanks for everything u do! Ur channel is the best!👍
I heard it has a 4k max rpm coil but so far everyone that has removed governor says it spin past just fine I'm still running mine stock on a baja warrior at 40 its plenty fast enough and take off is great lots of low end power
The 224 has a higher redline with the factory governor, which explains the extra top speed. I hope you repeat the exact same test but with the governors removed and nothing else done, see what it really ads on top end. Kinda weird that they gave a stroker a higher governed rpm...
I am putting the new predator 224 max on and I want to do the straight chain conversion. Can you send me what clutch, chain and rear sprocket that I need to buy?
Hi, my son and I bought the 224 to put on our CT200u and we ran into a problem with the shaft width where we can’t put on the old torque converter. Can you tell us what clutch you used and the chain size? We’re not sure if we need a #40, 41 or 420. Thanks for the great video and really appreciate any advice.
Great videos thanks we have the CT200u for the grandkids and i just put on the 224 on the gocart, but now i am thinking, i have the B200rsv coming so should i rob the 224 off of the gocart and swap motors with the B200rsv the go cart is just for the grandkids so the 196 would be plenty Thanks
I wonder how the Black Max 212cc performs? It's a Honda clone made by Ducar which have rep for kart racing engines. I haven't seen a single mini bike with one swapped and cannot find just the motor but there are power washers and such with the engine being sold for 200+-
My push mower is Black Max and has the 635 and it cuts grass and brush you wouldn't think it would and it does it with ease in one pass so makes me wonder the power and reliability of the 212
Harbor freight = 2 x year you can get predator 212 for 112$ normally 159$ 59$ cast aluminum flywheel 30$ vm 22 carb and 30$ header And you will smoke that Ducar Built stage 2 predator 212 cost less than stock Ducar If you are planning on running that engine wide open for hours the Ducar is a better choice
I have run a few different straight-chain setups on these bikes. Check out the CT200U-EX playlist. The best setup so far was the 10/60 tooth in this video. I was using a Max-torque 10 tooth. A Hilliard would work too. th-cam.com/video/avdJE34nFIU/w-d-xo.htmlo...
Hey Black 66 I have a 22mm mikuni on a 196cc when the lever is in the up position it runs good but when I put it in the down position the 196 stalls, do you have any idea's??? Help.
Make sure there isn't any leaks between the manifold and carb where they bolt together. If you bolt them together where they arn't in alignment it wont seal properly and the carb will run lean. If you take off the carb and look down the intake you will see what I mean. Here is a video link showing what im talking about. About 4 minutes into the video th-cam.com/video/xinMDBj-Pg8/w-d-xo.html
I recently got 2 mini bikes,1 of em is a ct200u with a 224 on it with a torque converter kit,my problem is I hate riding it because the whole bike vibrates horribly, tears your hands up trying to hold the handle bars when riding it,anyway to fix that or is it just normal?
So I have a ct200u-ex and swapping it with a 224cc want to go straight chain has a rear stock sprocket , going to be running the vm22 and header pipe, want to know what’s the best clutch for this set up, 10t or 12t trying to get most mph out of it
A lot of choosing a clutch tooth count or gear ratio has to do with your weight. The CT200U with a 5 to 1 ratio ,10 tooth clutch and 50 rear sprocket is already on the outer limits of what the engine has the torque to pull even with my light weight. On paper the 12 tooth looks like it would be faster, but it won't be. Not enough torque to pull that much gear. If you watch the series, you will see what I mean. I would go with the 10 tooth if you are going to run a 50 rear gear and the 19inch tall tires on the Coleman. If you watch this video you will see what I mean th-cam.com/video/xV8i59aGUao/w-d-xo.html
I have the same bike and a 224 predator I ran straight chain 10 tooth clutch with 50 tooth rear sprocket the clutch got super hot real quick I weight 200 pounds so 8 ordered the 60 tooth rear sprocket ima see how that works
I'm running a 60 tooth rear sprocket now, 6 to 1 ratio , to be easier on the clutch with tall tires. In this video I did the same thing. th-cam.com/video/avdJE34nFIU/w-d-xo.html
ok u r big into engine hop ups which is great but did u ever design a front disc brake system 4 a coleman ct200 ?? when u r going that fast there's nothing like a front brake . captain America in easy rider didn't have a front brake but your a welder and i know u can fab something up. unless u have a mini bike shop in the area it would b a hit and miss with the inter net, mins r the best thanks joe.
Black 66 I have a 212 and just tried it and put the clutch on backwards like you did so I don’t have to drill holes did you just use a washer as a spacer and how many links do you have on that chain if you could respond to me I would love that I subscribed and liked to you bc I like your content and need to know things thx
On a stock engine there's not going to be a difference to the rider. But once you start building the non hemi head is a better choice. Getting higher compression is easier and there's less concern for piston to valve clearance with a non hemi head. A non hemi head equipped with Champion rockers will produce more power than a hemi head. And look at the aftermarket. Very few if any hemi heads and tons of choices of non hemi heads. I wouldn't have got a 224 if it had a hemi head. I would get a hemi only if I was going to run it stock and didn't care about performance.
Yeah this 224 is interesting. I would start with a 70mm flat top piston, grab a stock clone rod, double check the in the hole measurement then choose a clone billet rod and head gasket to use. Most likely a stock length clone rod. Then go from there with clearancing the block. And it would get Champion rockers no doubt. I like the legacy head. Problem is, I don't need an engine.
@@Black66 Oh, I see. I've been watching Cars and Cameras for 3 years now, so I understand the mechanics of it. I had just never heard the phrase "straight chain". Makes sense. Thanks.
I wonder what yer acceleration would've been off you rode on the smooth part of the road instead of bouncing around on the shoulder. Same with tip speed.
I have a brand new Predator 212 i plan on mounting to my colemanct200u, i have to buy a new clutch system cause mine is rusted and pretty messed up, could someone inform me on what that thing he used the chain with?
If your any good at soldering , you can solder the tip of throttle cable to fit a slide carb. I was impatient waiting on a new throttle cable in the mail. So … yeah I did, worked so well that I still have the new cable I ordered.👍
Its running the stock Coleman sprocket. 50 tooth . Check out the CT200U-EX playlist for many more combos and sprockets with the Coleman bikes. th-cam.com/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/w-d-xo.html
The Ducar block and the 58MM stroke make a great platform for future modifications. A high percentage of people that use this engine for minibike or Kart use will change out the cam anyway.
10 tooth clutch. Links are in the description for the parts used. Check out the 224 and Coleman CT200U playlist for more combs. Thanks for watching! th-cam.com/video/0PB16_EYCiQ/w-d-xo.html
Just went to get a 212 for the spring sale for $119.99 but they were out of stock so I just picked up a 224 for $169.99. I threw it on my new go kart I just bought and the clutch is fully engaging at around 20mph. I run out of field before I can even hit the governor limiter. It's a little ridiculous to be honest. It has a 12 tooth clutch to a 60 tooth sprocket and 18 inch diameter wheels. I'm tempted to just go with a 10 tooth clutch and leave the pulley and honestly just leave the governor on so the engine lasts forever.
Cool cool, they also go on sale black fri , I don’t know if prices vary state to state but here in the south they where 112$ for a predator 212 I didn’t check other prices That was cheap enough I got 2 👍
Check out the first video in this series. The CT200U-EX videos apply to the CT200U. You can get an idea of how fast it would be. th-cam.com/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/w-d-xo.html
The jack shaft on a 196cc can I use it on my 224 ? And I also have a exhaust and off brand mukuni carb for 196cc will that also fit on the 224 haven’t got it yet but looking into getting it
@@Black66 I’ll look into that in the morning and one more question the needle thing that comes out when you hook up the throttle do you have the circle ring thing 1or 2 down or up 1 or 2
@@Black66 thank I just didn’t know if it changed when removing it from 196cc to a 224 but thanks and do you think the jack shaft will take away the high end speed
@@Black66 oh thanks! I was planning on putting a 224 on my ct-200u because the old engine gave out. I saw your tutorial on installment and it seems easy. Is there anything I need to know about the 224 from experience?
@@toddstewart9922 no, acually it’s an advantage. Let me make it easy for you STRAIT CHAIN: more top end speed TORQUE CONVERTER: more tourqe and acceleration but less top end speed JACKSHAFT: higher torque and more top end while on track and forests. 10T Clutch: More Power, less top end speed. (Needs #35 chain ONLY) 12T clutch: higher top speed / higher rpm can do (#40 #45 #420 chain only)
@@toddstewart9922 Yes there is a disadvantage. You'll notice the low end loss right away. If you are going to straight chain a Coleman 200, straight chain to a 60 tooth sprocket. It should work better than the 50 tooth that the Colemans come with.
@@Black66 the new one is bigger... Old clutch won't fit.... And there is some fuel box blocking the whole assembly.... What kind of clutch is that you're running? Do they sale at tractor supply?
I have done literally hundreds of videos at this point. It's hard to remember a given video. Check out the 224 playlist for many more videos with this engine. Thanks!
Hi, love your videos, keep up the good work. Wanted to ask what's the make of your Hydraulic lift and where i can buy the same one, thank you in advance
It has a 10/50 on it. 5 to 1 ratio. If you weigh a little more I would use a little bigger rear sprocket because with those tall tires a 5 to 1 ratio is kinda hard on the clutch.
Thanks, been thinking about ditching the jack shaft. My first bike is a monster moto 80 frame with a predator 212 ( governor pulled out and oil sensor gone. And it smokes the coleman ct200u-ex. I can pull a wheelie at 20 mph. And I weigh 218!
Oh boy i cant wait to see you start messing with the 224 especially when you put the racing clutch on and it really locks up especially with mods thing would really move and mods are available from what i was told from omb warehouse is that the clone arc 3.303 rod is the right rod for the 224 and the arc clone flywheels will work as well as clone cams (clearancing on the cam most likely) due to the added stroke i cant wait for my parts to get here and i can start my build im shooting for 9000 rpms
Ya, it will be fun! Its basically a factory stroker
@@Black66 i saw you posted a pic and so i had to pull a couple strings i guess but i got my hands on one and honestly its this is great and all but i feel like they could have done just a little bit better and given us the full metal cam and automotive style retainers and keeps but from the looks of it isnt gonna as easily modified as the 212 by just being able to drop in a cam without clearancing and then you add a billet rod things are gonna get tight
@@madness_-yg3lw Oh Ya for sure. This engine will be just as easy to modify as the 212. The 224 has the advantage because of the "Ducar block" It's a better-quality block.
For me I'm not really too concerned about the cam and stuff because it's all going to be changed out anyway as I start modifying the engine. It's a great starting point. Strong block and a 58MM stroke.
@@Black66 these 224s are gonna be some real power houses even on a mild set up im so glad they did away the the "hemi head" for these engines as non hemi in my opinion are a better option as you can run higher lift and you can always modify the head to increase cfm im gonna run a puals kart head on this 224 once i get the entire bottom end built i would hate to lose a head that cost 3xs the engine but before i get that head im gonna run a thinner head gasket and work the 224 ports
ARC 6773 is the rod you need for this with a stock piston. Some clearancing of the block will be required.
Hello!! I just retired at 60 grew up on a 2-1/2 HP Skat Kitty 2 of them back in the late 60's, went to 5 hp trailhorse boss in the early 70's and 2 Rupl Roadsters, the information you are providing us is invaluable. I certainly appreciate it and am looking forward to building top shelf mini-bikes in my retirement. Great numbers you provide thank you so much. Always loved the 5 inch street tires too much fun. Appreciate all your help, it's excellent. 👍
I work at harbor freight, we just got those engines in on the truck. I love the red blower housing! Thanks for the test & video.
Cool! Thanks! The red does look nice .
Do you know the Manufacturer of these engines? Is this Lifan or Loncin?
@@ListenMusic1987 Ducar.
Black66, you have taught me a lot, your method of videoing is excellent.
Thanks! Glad the videos help.
I just picked my 224cc PREDATOR up from harbor freight for $160 because of presidents’ Day specials I am so fortunate to get it at that price and it’s all because of you my friend thank you for all the great content keep it coming for the mods on this engine I will go back and watch every video of yours thanks again!
Thanks! That is awesome!! You got a great deal! I have more content coming on the 224.
I paid 177$
@@Black66. Hey buddy do you have other way to contact you I have questions about my Coleman mini bike
I have a bone stock 224 minus governor on a Massimo MB200 with 30 series torque converter. I hit 50 mph today going uphill. At 4600 ft elevation. So far very happy with the 224. Thanks for sharing.
Check out the224 playlist for many bike, cam and part combos with the 224 and other engines th-cam.com/video/rF7xAz02INA/w-d-xo.html
@@Black66 Appreciate your informative videos, very helpful. Although I like good performance my real goal was a daily rider sleeper bike. I think the stock 224 fits the bill. Thanks.
@@phatmotocat Thanks! Check out the $135 sleeoer video I did on the 196. This thing hit 65MPH shown in many video. th-cam.com/video/9Tk-t17M-ww/w-d-xo.html
@@phatmotocat Check out the $135 sleeper video I did on the 196. This bike hit 65MPH and was faiily quick getting there. th-cam.com/video/9Tk-t17M-ww/w-d-xo.html
Black66 back at it again 👍👍 another Great video and Much Appreciated 👏
Thank you! I appreciate that.
Black 66, just wanted to share …i just tested my ct200u with my predator 224 straight chained with 10tooth max torque clutch and stock 50 rear with stock tires and vm22mikuni, gov removal, cl1 cam,18 pound springs, 6 degree key, champion rockers, thin head gasket, and header pipe. Im at 190 pounds. Bike went 50 mph…weight makes a huge difference like u said dude!
Im getting a predator 212 non hemi tomorrow for $89 with my harbor freight cash…we will see how fast that will go straight chained on this bike with my weight…i will let u know dude👍 thanks for everything u do! Ur channel is the best!👍
I’m doing the same thing but with 212
This guy videos is so interesting it's awesome!!💯💥
I put a 224 in the ct200 ftame with 30 series converter the bike shakes vibrate alot on acceleration? Any fix
224s do that. everyone complains about it but just make sure everything is tight like your motor mounts, gas tank stuff like that
That was awesome really like watching your show
I heard it has a 4k max rpm coil but so far everyone that has removed governor says it spin past just fine I'm still running mine stock on a baja warrior at 40 its plenty fast enough and take off is great lots of low end power
The 224 has a higher redline with the factory governor, which explains the extra top speed. I hope you repeat the exact same test but with the governors removed and nothing else done, see what it really ads on top end. Kinda weird that they gave a stroker a higher governed rpm...
Ya, for sure. More to come!
Can you do a short video showing how that chain tool works
I am putting the new predator 224 max on and I want to do the straight chain conversion. Can you send me what clutch, chain and rear sprocket that I need to buy?
Links for the parts used are sometimes in the description of the videos.
This was a great comparison!
Brilliant video as always!.
What size chain do I need 2 straight chain my mini bike ? It’s a 10 tooth in front and 50 in back plz let me know asap
The same chain that came with the bike. 420
Hi, my son and I bought the 224 to put on our CT200u and we ran into a problem with the shaft width where we can’t put on the old torque converter. Can you tell us what clutch you used and the chain size? We’re not sure if we need a #40, 41 or 420. Thanks for the great video and really appreciate any advice.
Where can i buy throttle cable that I can cut to size? I cant find a spool of it anywhere
I usually just cut any cable to size and solder a tip on it.I'm not sure about a spool.
So what happens if you put a HEMI piston in it like the 212 has?? And a 6k coil and acam with a metal gear???
Check out the Predator 224 playlist th-cam.com/video/SaxCCoqJ0RU/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for another great video!
Thanks! No problem
Can you do a video of a ct200u with 420 predator with a tc and then clutch please???? I have seen none on TH-cam
Id like to see that done as well so I can have guide on doing bike! 👍🏼
Just picked up a 212 for my Coleman, excited to swap it out!
Great videos thanks we have the CT200u for the grandkids and i just put on the 224 on the gocart, but now i am thinking, i have the B200rsv coming so should i rob the 224 off of the gocart and swap motors with the B200rsv the go cart is just for the grandkids so the 196 would be plenty Thanks
Do you have a step by step guide for the 224 swap?
Check out the 224 playlist. One of the videos shows the 224 being installed on the bike th-cam.com/video/45Eu29F8V3g/w-d-xo.html
I wonder how the Black Max 212cc performs? It's a Honda clone made by Ducar which have rep for kart racing engines. I haven't seen a single mini bike with one swapped and cannot find just the motor but there are power washers and such with the engine being sold for 200+-
My push mower is Black Max and has the 635 and it cuts grass and brush you wouldn't think it would and it does it with ease in one pass so makes me wonder the power and reliability of the 212
Harbor freight = 2 x year you can get predator 212 for 112$ normally 159$
59$ cast aluminum flywheel
30$ vm 22 carb and 30$ header
And you will smoke that Ducar
Built stage 2 predator 212 cost less than stock Ducar
If you are planning on running that engine wide open for hours the Ducar is a better choice
What about the Ducar 224?
Can u tell me clutch u installed w the 224, would like to do the same set up
I have run a few different straight-chain setups on these bikes. Check out the CT200U-EX playlist. The best setup so far was the 10/60 tooth in this video.
I was using a Max-torque 10 tooth. A Hilliard would work too. th-cam.com/video/avdJE34nFIU/w-d-xo.htmlo...
Really cool, thanks for sharing the info, this is alot of fun
Thanks! Yes, This stuff is fun!
What size clutch and chain does the predator 224 use?
Same as the 212 3/4 shaft clutch
Where can I find a clutch and the chain ? How many teeth clutch do you have and size chain ?
Its a 10 too clutch and the stock #420 Coleman chain that came with the bike. GoPowerSports has both
Awesome bro!!! Love the video!
Thanks!
How is your chaon not falling off with out a tensioner
Alignment and the secret lol ...Check out the playlist for many videos with this bike and others!
@@Black66what’s the secret I need to know for mine to work
Hey Black 66 I have a 22mm mikuni on a 196cc when the lever is in the up position it runs good but when I put it in the down position the 196 stalls, do you have any idea's??? Help.
Make sure there isn't any leaks between the manifold and carb where they bolt together. If you bolt them together where they arn't in alignment it wont seal properly and the carb will run lean. If you take off the carb and look down the intake you will see what I mean. Here is a video link showing what im talking about. About 4 minutes into the video th-cam.com/video/xinMDBj-Pg8/w-d-xo.html
@@Black66 I will do that, as always thank you for your input. 👍🏻
longer stroke? so higher torque at lower rpms?
Great video bro 👍🏿
Enjoyed your video very informative!
Thanks! Check.out the 224 playlist for more 224 content .
I wonder if it has the same head as the regular 212 and if it has a dish piston like the 212
I recently got 2 mini bikes,1 of em is a ct200u with a 224 on it with a torque converter kit,my problem is I hate riding it because the whole bike vibrates horribly, tears your hands up trying to hold the handle bars when riding it,anyway to fix that or is it just normal?
I'm betting if you run a Juggernaut driver it will be much smoother.
@Black66 appreciate the info,gonna try rubber washers between engine and frame see if that helps,if i not i will order a juggernaut driver
@@shanelanham1643 The Juggernaut driver transitions power much smoother than a standard driver.
@Black66 i will look onto getting one,thank you sir!!
Man you make building these look so easy 😂
it really is bro you just need the tools and patience
Why does my chain slap the side of the engine ? Help pleaseeee
So I have a ct200u-ex and swapping it with a 224cc want to go straight chain has a rear stock sprocket , going to be running the vm22 and header pipe, want to know what’s the best clutch for this set up, 10t or 12t trying to get most mph out of it
A lot of choosing a clutch tooth count or gear ratio has to do with your weight. The CT200U with a 5 to 1 ratio ,10 tooth clutch and 50 rear sprocket is already on the outer limits of what the engine has the torque to pull even with my light weight. On paper the 12 tooth looks like it would be faster, but it won't be. Not enough torque to pull that much gear. If you watch the series, you will see what I mean. I would go with the 10 tooth if you are going to run a 50 rear gear and the 19inch tall tires on the Coleman.
If you watch this video you will see what I mean th-cam.com/video/xV8i59aGUao/w-d-xo.html
I have the same bike and a 224 predator I ran straight chain 10 tooth clutch with 50 tooth rear sprocket the clutch got super hot real quick I weight 200 pounds so 8 ordered the 60 tooth rear sprocket ima see how that works
This video better get 1million views.
How many teeth u running on clutch and sprocket with the straight chain..
Check out the playlist on the predator 224 It shows all the mods th-cam.com/video/XNvqdYl_haw/w-d-xo.html
I got the 1st one from my local Harbor Freight. I'm not sure if I'm putting on my CT200U or my new Trailmaster. Thanks for the video! ✌
Either one would be awesome!
Thanks for the vid im planning on getting a 212 and modding it on my mb165
Check out the 224 and other playlist on the channel for many engine combos th-cam.com/video/M3llVJ2zPvs/w-d-xo.html
Ay same
do you have a video comparing a stage 1 224 vs a Ghost?
No, but I have a few comparing the Ghost to the 212
What cluch u running my cluch Is getting supper hot running a 224cc with a 10t clutch 50t sprocket
I'm running a 60 tooth rear sprocket now, 6 to 1 ratio , to be easier on the clutch with tall tires. In this video I did the same thing. th-cam.com/video/avdJE34nFIU/w-d-xo.html
@@Black66 would it even get hot at idle?
ok u r big into engine hop ups which is great but did u ever design a front disc brake system 4 a coleman ct200 ?? when u r going that fast there's nothing like a front brake . captain America in easy rider didn't have a front brake but your a welder and i know u can fab something up. unless u have a mini bike shop in the area it would b a hit and miss with the inter net, mins r the best thanks joe.
Check out my video that comes out today. It's about front brakes.
What is that chain tool your using.. Show how to use one. Im a beginner so im gathering tools.. 😅
Does the 15.8 459cc predator fit on the ct200u?
Black 66 I have a 212 and just tried it and put the clutch on backwards like you did so I don’t have to drill holes did you just use a washer as a spacer and how many links do you have on that chain if you could respond to me I would love that I subscribed and liked to you bc I like your content and need to know things thx
At Harbor Freight....how do the prices compare between the Predictor 212 and the 224....does the 224 cost more ?
Yes, about $40 more.
I'm curious about the acceleration/power/speed difference between the 212 hemi head and non hemi head, any idea?
On a stock engine there's not going to be a difference to the rider. But once you start building the non hemi head is a better choice. Getting higher compression is easier and there's less concern for piston to valve clearance with a non hemi head. A non hemi head equipped with Champion rockers will produce more power than a hemi head.
And look at the aftermarket. Very few if any hemi heads and tons of choices of non hemi heads.
I wouldn't have got a 224 if it had a hemi head. I would get a hemi only if I was going to run it stock and didn't care about performance.
Does anyone know what torque converter he’s using or is that just a clutch? Sorry new to the game 😂
What size chain did you use because the Coleman ct200u has 2 chains?
The Same 420 chain that came on the bike.
? What size is that do you know?…and where can I get one? Is there a website you recommend?
@@ever3105Check out the 224 playlist. Many of the part links are in the description of the videos. GoPowerSports has everything you need.
Is it CVT that comes out at 3:12?
Yeah this 224 is interesting. I would start with a 70mm flat top piston, grab a stock clone rod, double check the in the hole measurement then choose a clone billet rod and head gasket to use. Most likely a stock length clone rod. Then go from there with clearancing the block. And it would get Champion rockers no doubt. I like the legacy head. Problem is, I don't need an engine.
What do you mean by "straight chain", and why does it matter?
Straight chain Is removing the torque converter or jack shaft . You use a clutch only . It changes the gear ratio .
@@Black66 Oh, I see. I've been watching Cars and Cameras for 3 years now, so I understand the mechanics of it. I had just never heard the phrase "straight chain". Makes sense. Thanks.
I wonder what yer acceleration would've been off you rode on the smooth part of the road instead of bouncing around on the shoulder. Same with tip speed.
I have a brand new Predator 212 i plan on mounting to my colemanct200u, i have to buy a new clutch system cause mine is rusted and pretty messed up, could someone inform me on what that thing he used the chain with?
Hey, is that Buckeye, AZ? I used to own land there.
Another great video👍
What size chain do I need for a 212 for my colmen
You can use the #420 that came on the bike. Use a a 3/4 shaft clutch for the 212
@@Black66 I took that motor off and put a build 212 and I need to know the chain size and clutch
Do you live in Kingman az
If your any good at soldering , you can solder the tip of throttle cable to fit a slide carb.
I was impatient waiting on a new throttle cable in the mail. So … yeah I did, worked so well that I still have the new cable I ordered.👍
Yes! Check the playlists we have soldered many tips on the throttle cables!! 👍👍
Hey man I have a question about that 212 how did you make it that fast because mine only goes like 22
Straight chain it from clutch to the rear tire sprocket
Speed screw under gas tank screw that out all the way
What size sprocket do you have on it?
Its running the stock Coleman sprocket. 50 tooth . Check out the CT200U-EX playlist for many more combos and sprockets with the Coleman bikes.
th-cam.com/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/w-d-xo.html
i just picked up 224 for my Coleman CT200U. Do you know if stage1 kit(airfilter) designed for 212 fits this engine?
What length chain did you use? Can you post a link to it? Thanks
I can't remember off hand.This bike has had many different combos. Check out the CT200U playlist th-cam.com/video/ZFLSbnoH59g/w-d-xo.html
Honestly I has a plastic gear, what is the hype for?
The Ducar block and the 58MM stroke make a great platform for future modifications. A high percentage of people that use this engine for minibike or Kart use will change out the cam anyway.
What is the 3/4" clutch you're using on the front?
Thanks
10 tooth clutch. Links are in the description for the parts used. Check out the 224 and Coleman CT200U playlist for more combs. Thanks for watching! th-cam.com/video/0PB16_EYCiQ/w-d-xo.html
@@Black66 thanks
I didnt see that until after I sent the comment.
Great material!
Just went to get a 212 for the spring sale for $119.99 but they were out of stock so I just picked up a 224 for $169.99. I threw it on my new go kart I just bought and the clutch is fully engaging at around 20mph. I run out of field before I can even hit the governor limiter. It's a little ridiculous to be honest. It has a 12 tooth clutch to a 60 tooth sprocket and 18 inch diameter wheels. I'm tempted to just go with a 10 tooth clutch and leave the pulley and honestly just leave the governor on so the engine lasts forever.
Cool cool, they also go on sale black fri , I don’t know if prices vary state to state but here in the south they where 112$ for a predator 212
I didn’t check other prices
That was cheap enough I got 2 👍
@@kylesyx8432 we just walked in the house with our new 224. $99 for the 212 and $159 for the 224 in Texas.
How fast do u think it will go if u would still have the governor on no mods or nothing just a predator 212 engine
Check out the first video in this series. The CT200U-EX videos apply to the CT200U. You can get an idea of how fast it would be. th-cam.com/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/w-d-xo.html
Nice bikes! Do you think the predator 13hp 420cc motor would fit on that ct200u bike frame?
The jack shaft on a 196cc can I use it on my 224 ? And I also have a exhaust and off brand mukuni carb for 196cc will that also fit on the 224 haven’t got it yet but looking into getting it
Ya, all that stuff will work. But you might have to get a 3/4 shaft clutch to go on the 224 if your 196 has the 16MM shaft.
@@Black66 I’ll look into that in the morning and one more question the needle thing that comes out when you hook up the throttle do you have the circle ring thing 1or 2 down or up 1 or 2
@@julianflores2511 If you are talking the slide. They usually come in the middle. A lot of the times they run good in the middle.
@@Black66 thank I just didn’t know if it changed when removing it from 196cc to a 224 but thanks and do you think the jack shaft will take away the high end speed
@@julianflores2511 Yes, a little but it will gain a little on the low end. You can always change up the gearing for more speed.
What size chain did you have on when you put the 224cc on it?
420/40 chain
Oh okay cause my chain keeps breaking off for some odd reason its not too loose and wanna know why its doing that@@Black66
If it has to something with the clutch what size clutch are you using boss?@@Black66
What chain did you use for that?
Some standard 40 chain
@@Black66 oh thanks! I was planning on putting a 224 on my ct-200u because the old engine gave out. I saw your tutorial on installment and it seems easy. Is there anything I need to know about the 224 from experience?
What size clutch is that and where did you get the spacer for the clutch, as well as what size is the spacer
Yes I'm interested in that setup on my Coleman. Is there any disadvantage to running straight chain to clutch??? Thanks!
@@toddstewart9922 no, acually it’s an advantage. Let me make it easy for you
STRAIT CHAIN: more top end speed
TORQUE CONVERTER: more tourqe and acceleration but less top end speed
JACKSHAFT: higher torque and more top end while on track and forests.
10T Clutch: More Power, less top end speed. (Needs #35 chain ONLY)
12T clutch: higher top speed / higher rpm
can do (#40 #45 #420 chain only)
@@toddstewart9922 Yes there is a disadvantage. You'll notice the low end loss right away. If you are going to straight chain a Coleman 200, straight chain to a 60 tooth sprocket. It should work better than the 50 tooth that the Colemans come with.
Is straight chain faster than jackshaft?
Yes. You loose some bottom end
Can I get a supply of mini bike tiyers in Cameroon please?
What kind of clutch is that and where do you get them? Or can i use the one off the 212 im removing
Ya, you can run the one off the 212
@@Black66 the new one is bigger... Old clutch won't fit.... And there is some fuel box blocking the whole assembly.... What kind of clutch is that you're running? Do they sale at tractor supply?
Does the 224 motor have the huge aftermarket options like the 212 do? Or is it the same motor just different stroke?
Anything you can do to the 212 you can do to the 224.
Great content man thank you
Thank you!
After the 60 tooth rear straight chain on the 212 I'm getting 30/35 mph is that normal ? How can I pick it up
I have a question... My baja warrior has lots of bad vibration on the handle bars. Can you help?
Are there rubber washers in the handlebar mount? If so, try removing them.
Why did you prematurely shut it down? 15:57
I have done literally hundreds of videos at this point. It's hard to remember a given video. Check out the 224 playlist for many more videos with this engine. Thanks!
Can a 3/4 clutch fit
Yep.
Hi, love your videos, keep up the good work. Wanted to ask what's the make of your Hydraulic lift and where i can buy the same one, thank you in advance
Thanks! Not totally sure on the manufacturer of the lift. I picked it up used.
What is the front and back sprocket sizes?
It has a 10/50 on it. 5 to 1 ratio. If you weigh a little more I would use a little bigger rear sprocket because with those tall tires a 5 to 1 ratio is kinda hard on the clutch.
Thanks, been thinking about ditching the jack shaft.
My first bike is a monster moto 80 frame with a predator 212 ( governor pulled out and oil sensor gone. And it smokes the coleman ct200u-ex. I can pull a wheelie at 20 mph. And I weigh 218!
@@davidpillow6878 That Monster Moto 80 is sweet!
I see potential in this new engine ..
what clutch are you using? i need a good quality clutch with out breaking the bank
I have a video coming out on Saturday with a Max Torque racing clutch that I really like.
What bolt goes to the 224 shaft for the clutch
What size clutch was that
What size gear on your clutch
This bike has a 5 to 1 ratio. 10 on the clutch and 50 out back.
Vs the Tilly next??? After running both a Predator and Tilly I think the Tilly's are overrated imo.
What do you recommend I do with my clutch issue. I'm putting the 212 on ct200.. Straight chain vs. reusing the parts of the Coleman engine
I would use a 3/4 shaft 420 clutch with a rear 60 sprocket with the straight chain so its not so hard on the clutch.
Thank you !! Working on it now!!
And that's the 10 tooth clutch right ? Can I bug you for the specs on the straight chain, how many links ?# 40-41 420 ?
what chain do you have?
Where did you get the clutch for tha 224