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- $100 budget Performance Predator 212
Did a budget performance build on a Predator 212 powered Azusa minibike ? Added multiple performance modifications for about $100.
Did some speed run before and after the modifications to test the results?
Azusa minibike playlist - • How to go 60 MPH with ...
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Parts used -
Polished rod - www.motortrend.com/how-to/740...
Ratio rockers - www.studzracing.com/ProductDe...
18lb springs - www.studzracing.com/ProductDe...
Cast aluminum flywheel - www.ebay.com/itm/134570089193
Flywheel offset timing key- www.ebay.com/itm/113132929165...
Carburetor jet kit - www.ebay.com/itm/384647151318...
Head gasket - www.ebay.com/itm/143398835760...
Air filter and adaptor - www.ebay.com/itm/154476422744...
Exhaust header - www.ebay.com/itm/154506421191...
head porting tools - www.amazon.com/dp/B0CLL4YG6Q/...
Head porting burrs - www.amazon.com/dp/B0CLL4YG6Q/...
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I remember I was 9 yrs. old had a paper route. I lived in Pompano bch. Florida. I saved all my money wanting a mini-bike. Saved 200 dollars that was a lot of money back then. I went to Uniroyal bought a green 3 1/2 horse clinton minibike for that 200 bucks I had. It did 50 mph. God I was in heaven..
Sounds like good times
50mph at 9 years old is warp speed
Broward county 💪🏼
@@Popcorxit was I was riding it in a bank parking lot after it was closed a cop stopped me. My dad came out and told him off. Told him don't u have anything better to do. My dad was great.😊
@@GLEECEDI love Broward county but it's not like it use to be. But I'm still here after 55 yrs. Thanks for the reply.
Man do I love your channel!!! I have been into minibikes for 20 years, got my son one a ct100u a couple weeks ago and he found your channel and has watch every one of your videos.i ha e to say you do an amazing job of not only explaining what your doing but also kill it with logging and comparing results. Grat job bro keep that content coming 👌
I have a 212 on a mini bike and this is a perfect video I was looking for some upgrades and not a lot of people make videos on them love it
Wow I got a twin out there this is Steve from Annapolis Maryland doing the same thing I just turned 59 years old and I thought I was looking at myself and I just watched your video I'm not the only one out there playing with mini bikes awesome and all the little hot rod tricks makes two of us
I was blown away when you lost a whole second on 0-30. It made me watch the whole video. Cool channel.
Absolutely love the videos man super helpful EVERYTIME I watch ur videos for hours at work man great stuff !
Thank you for watching the videos. I am happy the videos help.
I'm really glad you posted something like this really educational especially on my behalf I just bought a predator 212 and I wanted to do some mods to it before I put it on my 200exu I'm going to use this video to mod my motor thank you so much
Love the long videos! You dispense a lot of useful info!!!!!!
I watch all the big mini bike and go-kart channels and you are becoming my favorite. Thanks for the excellent straight to the point videos
Thanks! Im glad you like the videos
@@MR_IC Yes, I think the flywheel taper on the T1 and T2 are the same . It should fit.
you're going to blow up if you keep up the consistent content.. I'm just glad I'm here to witness the growth, the effort you put into these is amazing, we are lucky to have someone who has this kind of passion here on youtube, with that being said.... would LOVE to see this in 224 form, maybe not budget, but semi budget like 300 dollar limit, enough for billet parts at least.
Thanks! I would like to do a budget build 224. I'm not sure if you have seen the 224 playlist . Not totally budget but there is stuff on the playlist you can do for not much money. th-cam.com/video/XNvqdYl_haw/w-d-xo.html
@@Black66 I have watched the playlist, Have you considered a flat top piston on the 224? I've only seen Kentucky Fried fixes do it and he hasn't applied the engine to anything yet.. My plan is a 6271 Arc rod with a flat top piston in my build
@@PopeyesCreeper Ya, I want to build another 224. I'll do it with the flattop next rime around and some different parts than I used in the current one . Like a different cam and rod.
@@PopeyesCreeper a budget and a limit is the same thing in ways. It’s whatever amount of time, money, etc. you set for something in order to accomplish whatever it is you are trying to do. You asked not to do a budget but semi budget limit 🤔🥴🫠
@@B5s4 you commented on a 7 month old thread to not even prove a point my guy?
Always well thought out and thorough, and always something to be learned, thank you
Thanks! Thanks for taking the time to watch the videos.
@@Black66where did you get the frame
@Black66 Hey, do you think that you could do a video on that lift that you use to lift your bikes on and some of your other tools as well.
Needed a long video man nice one☝🏾
Great video.I always enjoy watching.Tomorrow I’ll take out my mini bike for a ride.
Thank you for another great video black 66!😊
No problem! Thanks for watching!
Awesome video
I’ve been looking into upgrading mine
Your mods make more power than the 200-300 stage kits
Very impressive video you made sir !!
These videos are gold. Thankyou
I am making this comment before I even watch the video hi I am so appreciative of you because we spoke of this and you said you would do this and you are a man of your word thank you so much I know this will be a great video you are the best!👍🏽
Thanks! I remember
I like that you put the price of the parts used on the screen! Now please tell me all of these parts that are in this video will fit my new max performance engine from harbor freight? Do you have a Business building these awesome machines because if so I want one! I knew your video would not disappoint thanks for all you show us. Oh I noticed there is a hole in the valve cover is that ok or put some type of filter there? Thanks again!!! 👍🏽
@@janicefullerton6201 Thanks! I don't do it as a businees, more of like a hobby for right now. Ya, you can throw a filter on there. Or use a catch can. You can definitely use these mods on the 224.
I agree
@@Black66 hey quick question I just removed my governor and oil sensor and slapped on a stage 1 kit but seeing tht I can possibly blow my engine just by doing that so I was wondering if I put in the fly wheel and billet rod and all the other parts u added would it less likely blow my engine? Or it still has a high chance? Thanks 🙏🏻
One day I'm gonna be patient and tweak & tune a bike like this. This is quality content!
Thanks!
You are the man you build some beautiful bikes thank you so much you are a godsend to us do it yourself guys Sending love and light Namaste
Thank you! Same to you! Thank you for watching the videos.
Perfect timing. I'm putting a Predator 212 on my old Coleman CT200U tomorrow. I'm have the stage 1 ready to go on it with a header and do the zip tie on the governor. I'll have some fun on it then probably do the upgrades in this video. Thanks man! ✌
Stage 1 is a waste of money try again
Ok where's your video at on what's best for $100???
Your best bet is to save like 50 more dollars and buy the mikuni carb and a header
@@toddstewart9922❤❤
I really enjoyed this video man.
Thanks! I have some more budget Predator stuff on the channel. th-cam.com/video/y3pl7KiSTmY/w-d-xo.html
Another great and entertaining video, thanks for the video and ride safe.
Thank you!
Great f en video shows the peeps that a header pipe is very important for more speed along with other motor up grades
Ya, for sure!
Great video sir !
Amazing work that bike is fast
What's up Black66, Thank you for making this video! Not everyone can spend tons on parts to go faster and this is wallet friendly!! Keep it up bro🤙
Thanks for watching!
great video, well put together ❤
Thanks!
@@Black66 hey how did you remove the gear off the crankshaft
@@magmasloth3619 I put the crank in a vise to hold it and used a small hammer and a punch. It will come right off pretty easily.
You make it look easy. Your knowledge and years of experience is priceless
Thanks!
Such great videos my friend.
Sick build. I have a 212cc predator engine and I’ve done very similar mods to it and it runs about 55 mph. Love your videos!
how can i do this im looking to build a 212 roller that goes around 50-60
@@litowid I removed the governor and added a mikuni VM 22 carb with a billet flywheel
@@BobTheBuilderlmao 212s are pretty weak lol what you do is get a 224 and remove the governor 🤣☝️my cousin did it. Put it on a go kart. Nobody has put the pedal to floor yet because it's so fast. 25 percent throttle were already flying down the street👀🙈everybody has a 212 too, my cousin has raced everybody in his neighborhood and hasn't lost yet🤣
@@TreyGoose Sounds good. Thanks!
After getting addicted to minibikes after your videos I built a 60 mph predator for probably around $100 ; done the governor removal, 24mm nibbi, header pipe I got off Facebook for cheap, and 18 Lbs valve springs, on a ct200u frame 10t clutch 50t sprocket , will run 57-60 all day
Sounds like a beast! Glad I could help.
@@Black66 oh I got rid of the ct200u frame last night lol, found a kid that traded me even for a 1980’s sensation frame , he had no idea what he had lol; definitely hats off to you for my new hobby! Thinking about getting a rascal lite kit, hard to beat that for $500
Thank U so much for your Video and Help and information.
This is all great. While you are taking the piston out, change the connecting rod to a Billet Rod for higher RPM safety and they come with replaceable bearing . Keep same cam and don't bother porting or polishing the head. Drill holes in the stock muffler.
Check out the playlists on the channel for billet rod and flywheel installs along with a stroker kit for good measure. Here is the link to one of them . Thanks for watching th-cam.com/video/VbcpA0jdSIw/w-d-xo.html
Anytime I have a question about my mini bike or how to do something I come to you first. You show most the process wnd explain it all. Thank you
Awesome .... Nice and simple
Cool video nice engine!!
For the governor holes I recommend a 1/4 - 20 by 1” bolt. For the oil sensor hole I use what’s there and seal it with gasket seal
Thanks! That's exactly the size I showed in the video
Does the bolt need to be self tapping ? Or did you pretap the plain hole with a std 1/4 x 20 tap ?
@@Black66do you need to use self tapping 1/4 x 1 20 pitch or just regular bolts? And where do you get your bolts?
I have a few of those flywheels on various units. Very good value for money
They look like a clone of the GX200 aluminum. I wonder how they come timed. The GX200 aluminum is timed at 22 BTDC.
@@Deucealive75 I can't remember around 26 or 28 i think.....They responded well to an 8 degree advance key for me
Excellent video. Good advice, clear demo, pacing and narration keep it interesting.
Suggest you mention the torques you're using, as well as valve clearance.
What were your sources for the various parts? Particularly interested in the cast aluminum flywheel. Thank you!
Thanks! I did leave some of the parts used in the build in description of the video
Hey, just a tip, a large reason the stock rod blows up on the 212 is due to not enough oil entering the linkage with the crankshaft. Maybe drilling a hole on the conrod would allow oil to seep into it, giving it similar lubricating properties as the billet rod.
Im going to try polishing the stock rod & add another hole to help it lubricate. I blew a billet rod, not even 2 month old, my 212 has cam on (7500rpm target) & ported heads, flat top piston .570 & have super low gearing for launch, topped at 52mph with a 12/70 gearing. Was at a meet & their was a long maybe 2-3 mile straight street so was on full throttle for some time & engine just shut off, didnt even hear a bang noise that it hit something. Piston is clean no sign it hit the valves too. So im thinking the issue was maybe low oil & caused the rod to heat up. I normally take engine apart with bike tilted enough so it doesnt spill when i remove the front cover & i saw it was like half way.
It was a monster tho, hella launched hard. Building it again but rod is a bit expensive lol but wondering if its good, i dont want another blown rod, this time will check oil.
Well I bought everything on your list for my very first 212 build! Super stoked about this! I still won’t have anything to put it on, but I’m intrigued by the build itself. Sure will be one bad shelf engine untill I find something to put it on!
As long as you're having fun that's all that counts!! I would throw a sweet-looking blower housing on it. Like chrome or powder-coated blower housing so it will look even sweeter sitting on the shelf!!!👍
@@Black66 so the stock carb is trashed, I’m really not trying to spend a load on the Mikuni vm22, I’ve found a few other brands on Amazon, “knock off” would you say that would be ok for this cheap build? I’ve seen a few reviews and I’m not sure what to do exactly, some say the stock carb is better than the knock off? Would it be in my best interest to buy the stock one or knockoff. Unless you know of somthing better? Really appreciate the advise!
@@cheynejones9536 I use this kit all the time.
Not as good as the OG but for the money it works fine. www.ebay.com/itm/194358544642
This was really cool video. Really like budget builds. Cool trick with the rod polish I’ve never seen or heard of that before. How much safer you think that makes a stock rod on the predator?
Thanks! Not sure on the rod. It was an old racers trick that has been used for ages. I would have to do a test or comparison on it to find out for sure .
Great video ! You work fast! When putting the engines back together, could you mention what you torque the bolts and other small things like that so we can make sure engine is put together correctly. I'm a old newbie learning to work on small engines. Enjoying your content.
Thanks! I'll do that.
BROOOOO Drill press valve spring tool. That's genius.
Hello , another great video . I assume this flywheel would work on the predator 224 , same taper ? Was it a good fit , seemed it rocked back and forth a bit before you torqued it down ?
Yes, It will work on the 224. The reason it rocked back and forth was the 7 degree flywheel key . It lets the flywheel move so you can rotate it forward to get the 7 degrees of additional timing.
Great video man I liked how u pressed the springs in. Gonna have to try making one of those out of a chain saw tool... So when buying a new motor should I break it in first b4 I rebuild it..... Gonna go billet rod n flywheel. Any advice for my first build bud... Love your channel..
Thanks! I would break it in after I installed the billet rod and flywheel.
Anyway you can list your tool list you used for the build? Thanks! Love the videos
Nicee vidss 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 alwayss learn alot from watching your vidss .....keep up the great vidss and safe ridingg .....i have the same bike only black 😅 and i have a doodle bug Racer
So you want your timing key out of the way from the groove behind where you installed yours? Like if put the back end of my timing key flush with the groove behind it then would I'm good?
What do you torque everything too?
Would lobe to see a step by step video on that table build.
Good consistent data comparisons. Can you list the vendor where you picked up the cast aluminum flywheel for that price?
Thanks Yes, the links are in the description
Not encludin shipping. $$$$ that's a killer.
This dude is awesome
Thanks!
I bought a high-performance Minibike about a week ago and I found a box that came with it in the back of my car in the box was a brand new 212 predator hemi never even taken out of the box, a brand new front tire a brand new rear tire, a brand new 18 tooth clutch a brand new clutch gas throttle and cable and a brand new seat all wrapped up in plastic still all I needed was a frame. This morning I found a Azuza frame in excellent condition for 20 bucks. So I pretty much got this minibike for free except for the front and rear rim now I’m going to do the mods that you just did. Thank you to you and my son‘s gonna have an awesome little Minibike it’s gonna cost me about 140 bucks with everything
Awesome!! Can't beat that deal! Especially for an Azusa frame.
You should do a $200, 300, 400, and 500 version of the same video! Wonder if there are any “speed hole” mods to the stock muffler that would help.
Super new to minibikes but i have been working on lawn mowers for awhile.
Question. What is the gear ratio of that bike?
I have a CC100X Coleman frame with a Predator 212, 12 teeth on front and 75 teeth on back and I can only get 28 mph. I will be zip tieing the governor spring tomorrow but why is the top speed so low?
Nice video learned. For me that 5mph top end isn't worth making allot more noise imo. Unless the stock muffler doesn't really do much noise canceling any ways. I'd go the other way if I could get quieter muffler and lose some top end. Unless you live around country roads your not goin 50mph very much anyways. Likely get up to speed and slow down after a few seconds randomly.
I’m curious what was the purpose of “lapping the flywheel “ and if I go with the same flywheel do I also have to do this ?
Is there any good forums to ask questions? Just bought a use Massimo warrior 200cc ...not sure what the engine is a clone of or where to find some good guides to remove the governer
I did the flywheel and 12 degree key it's jetted 38 with air cleaner and exhaust I'm not at high elevation the 30 thousands gap seems to much it runs fine but slight misfire at idle I've got the head gasket and springs not installed yet
Will all of these parts fit on a 224? I picked up one here recently and want to give it a little more oomph.
im having trouble after installing flat slide carb and aluminum fly wheel and removing the gov. it had alot of aluminum shaving in the motor after about 2 hours of riding. the motor was brand new and i broke in the engine then installed the parts. it doesnt start now after the 2 hours with the performance parts and im unsure why. i checked my timing and everything besides the top of the piston and it seemed fine, just seeing if you have any tips before i take the head off and start ruining gaskets
Moving away from the stock flywheel with the governor removed seems like a good idea for operator safety anyway. Plenty fine in spec I'm sure, but probably not a few thousand rpm higher!
Did you ever do a video of zip tied governor and a header pipe? I bet that's pretty close to the same 58mph
daamn thanks for showing this i dont mind the 50 miles per hour on my build almost 60 mph daamn way too dangerous for me lol xD and with the stock speed aint too bad iether
How many rpm’s you think at 58mph? Safe enough for the stock rod and aluminum flywheel for long term? Wanting to replicate this build, thanks for the great content!
Thanks! I think I had a 12/60 gear on the bike in that video. According to the calculator with that ratio it was spinning 5600 at 49 MPH and about 6500 at 58 MPH after the header install. I think the flywheel would hold up being rated at 8500. The rod should could too , but it would be really safe to throw another $70 at it and install a billet rod if your gonna spin it to 6500 all the time.
to adjust the mixture screw on stock carb it says online tightening it makes it RICH loosening it makes it LEAN correct ??
This is what I have found as I have installed several preditor engines on similar mini bikes from the 2 or 3 manufacturers that HF uses. Meaning there is a standard and a hemi version. So far I have managed to get a top speed of 58 ~ 59 mph in their stock version, all by fiddling with the gear/sprocket sizes. What I also discovered is that after it maxes out on RPMs the valves simply start to float meaning the engine has hit it's limit. From that point no amount of modifications will increase the power unless you install lighter valves,and stronger valve springs. Once you do that you can you go on to purchase all the other go fast aftermarket parts. If done correctly the bike can hit 80 mph, and I'm almost there.
Check out the playlist for many Performance engine builds and part comparisons along with top-speed runs! th-cam.com/video/wHIKyVU4oxw/w-d-xo.html
Hey man love your videos I have a a question if you can help I have a mm 212cc I got 35mph stock out of her I just bought and put on a stage 1 kit and didn’t get much top end speed pretty much the same 35 mabe 36 mph just a little more torque how do I get more top end speed thanks
Do you have a link or list of the parts you purchased? Just bought a 212 for my son, looking to add so power to it. This looks perfect good job buddy.
Thanks! The links are in the description
Where did the part number come from on the rod you where polishing?
thanks for another great video, where do you get your predator parts
Thanks! Links are in the description for the parts in this build.
Absolutely lovee the video bro. Everything from the comparisons to the build. I just picked up a predator 224. Could you do a budget build with one of those and compare it to the 212? I’m curious what a budget 224 would do
Yes, I would like to do a buget 224
It's just a 212 with thicker head gasket
@@Rossman2003 Yes….but the block is the reinforced version with ribbing in it. That slight extra stroke is making a. Relieve 1.5ft lbs more torque that’s A lot on a small engine
1:29 where did you buy that lift thingy the bike is supported on?
I've been spreading the word about you, especially on Cars and Cameras. Cuz they got 1 million subs, and you should too.
Thanks for the support!
Do you have a Baja hawg ty mini bike? They are pretty cool
Be nice to see what a modified stock muffler would do.
Where did you get that lift?Diy? Do you have plans for it?love it
I bought it used. Not sure what store it came from. I use it for my minibike TH-cam channel. Thanks for watching. th-cam.com/channels/x9Ph4--sJxfQPzk_oEq8-g.html
Hey where can I order the bolts for the bolts you used to fill the oil sensor?
Great video
Thanks!
Hi black so I'm doing a 212 swap on my mega moto 80 and what is the sprocket to run for speed and torque
@Black66 Question: The flywheel you linked from studz racing, they claim it fits "Honda clone engines only" and not predator.. nut we see you using it here on a predator engine. Is there a difference in these two tapers, if so, what is it? And how did you manage to use the EC Flywheel? (looks like you cleaned yours up a bit too) I ordered one for my 212 predator and studz racing is giving me trouble about it!
Yes, the taper on the clone and standard 212 are slightly different. There are differences in opinion on using the clone wheel on a standard crank.
I have used them without a problem. I am not saying he is wrong, Other folks might have had diffferent experiences with this stuff than I have. I make sure to lap the wheel in with a good valve grinding compound before torqing the wheel.
@Black66 thank you! Eric from studz racing is telling me to return the flywheel and "just by the billet flywheel" but I'm building a cheap 212 here for a mini bike... I don't need $120 billet flywheel on a stock un-reinforced 212 block. Any tips for lapping the clone flywheel to the predator properly?
I use valve grinding compound and run the wheel back and forth until I get an even sanded surface on the crank as seen in the video.
Also there is a link in the video description for a vendor that sells this wheel with the same taper for the 212. His wheel has 28 degresss timing built in in case you don't want to use the offset keyway to advance the timing.
Could you gut the stock muffler and gain anything?
Hey i have Coleman ct200u with pred 212 and it maxes at 20 then i ziptied it and it goes 35 why is my bike so slow compared to yours do you have any suggestions
Is it possible to install the rod crooked so that in dosnt go on the rod correctly?
Love your videos! What brand pipe is that you added?
Thank you! The links are in the description for the parts used in the build.
Great video, I noticed that you got the bike up to 50mph only with the governor ziptied on a stock 212. I have a cc100x with a stage 1 predator 212 hemi(jetted carb, intake, pipe, ziptied governer) but it only does around 35 as its top speed. Could this be because I am using a 12t clutch with a 75 rear sprocket? If I changed the sprocket to a 50t would it get a higher top speed? Thanks
yes by changing the sprocket to a 50t it will increase the speed
i would try a 60t first tbh
Will that kit fit the coleman 212cc mini stock motor
How did you hook up the throttle back together because I tried following your video for the governor removal and now I’m stuck on how to hook up the throttle
Watch the latest B200 videos . I show how to make up a throttle without the Governor. th-cam.com/video/CK4p-iYTwFg/w-d-xo.html
Where do you guys find all your info on torque specs and so on
I would like to see this run with a carb upgrade aswell
Can you make a video like this on the predator 224 please thanks for the content
I was wondering how much valve clearance is in a non hemi predator engine. I am building my first motor and I bought a cam from go power sports. It is the 265 hot cam, I am thinking of mating it with the 1.3 rockers you are using in this video however I don't want valve clearance to be a issue. Thank you for your time.
A standard predator is easier to use higher lift cams in because the valves are not angled or canted. If you use around .080” piston to valve clearance and .030” piston to head you should be fine.
Do u break ur engines in before you use them?
Black66. Iam Working On Taco 22 Mini Bike At The Moment Iam Going With The Briggs 5 horse. I Have Been Looking At Mods For A Frijole Mini bike. Iam Using The 196cc On That. Thank's For The Ideas.And Keep The Videos Coming
Is it possible to get one of these without a clutch? I don’t know what a clutch is. I just wanna ride it to work and go on street rides with the boys
Where’d you get the governor and oil sensor button bolt ma
I just received my stage 3 header pipe from gopowersports for my 224 and it doesn't fit? Neither the gasket or the flange... did you have these problems when using some of your 212 exhausts?
If you watch the 224 playlist you will see, I changed out the head at some point in the build. You can use them . You have too oblong the holes with a Dremel or file.
@@Black66 I noticed you used one thats why I was so confused. I must've missed you dremeling the holes