About the whole BB not practicing TF and such. He went on the German costream after the series and talked about some more draft/ingame stuff. Some takeaways from that for anyone interested: - BB/G2 actually got bamboozled by MDK in game 1 draft and had to bandaid Caps onto TF mid draft. He also said in hindsight the Akali pick was not a good one as MDK had a lot of cc that game - He thought Myrwn actually played pretty good in game 1 but G2 just had better drafts after + Myrwn didn't seem to know how to play the matchups very well after that - He actually didn't expect to pick Gragas and only practiced it 1 day bc he thought Gragas might be pretty broken on this patch (especially on 3 items). Also Gragas is an oldschool Jayce counter. He didn't like the full AP topside but also didn't really have a good AD pick into Taliyah/Rell. And MDK didn't have that many tanky champs + the AP champs G2 had, were of the type that didn't care too much about MR (Lillia true dmg, Azir a lot of DPS). He then proposed it and team/Dylan gave the okay. - they knew MDK liked to play Senna so Hans and BB were constantly communicating in Game 2 and 3 if a swap was good/when to swap bc Senna doesn't have great push and you could even swap when not actually having prio in lane - Game 2 he said Myrwn played Gnar very well (in lane) and the only other person in LEC that can play Gnar that well in lane is probably Irrelevant - in his eyes MDK as a team doesn't pick meta but what is "good" in the sense of what makes sense at that moment in draft. (He gave the example of game 1 them picking 4 champs that are good against TF and him having to ask Caps to play TF for him). In that sense he thinks they are similar to G2 as in you have to think twice when drafting against them and they like to flex a lot. ...oh and his plan for the off-season is to fix the flat tire on his bike.
I honestly believe that the section where they talked about how this show came into being is why I love the concept of LFN. It's genuinely interesting people making the content they want to make without any of the handcuffs of suit and tie TV. I have never been able to put my finger on why I have watched almost all of Thorin's content over the years but I think he nailed it. None of it is artificial. It is organic, pure, and free of the shackles of fake television. Thank you very much for all the years of entertainment guys. You have, and continue to, be some of the best parts of my week.
Casual reminder that the only loss of g2 with caps in lec finals is from a team which they had 3-0 just a week prior in even more dominant fashion than bds. So i don't really agree with the bds didn't lose anything anyway in terms of winning finals. You never know how teams will respond and what bds learnt from that series. At the same time i don't think it's a disaster for them even if they lost some championship points. They've been a good team and can continue to grow. And i agree with striker benching adam, you gotta think about the long term profit instead of a team. You can't be giving a pass to players.
BLG lost 2/0 to IG tho 👀 in mid season While T1 lost 2/1 to GEN on literally the first game of the season. I don't think anyone of you is right tho because we won't be able to know if T1 is better than BLG or BLG is better until we see them in MSI
who said i am mad ? :) everyone can have their opinion and it's fine to think BLG is better maybe they really are. I was just not convinced by the reason of that choice which is because T1 lost to GEN and when you say BLG lost to IG they say it doesn't matter. it just literally doesn't make any sense. you can say BLG is better because their play style is better in your opinion, T1 is meming and having fun or Guma not having his best split or any other reason that might seem reasonable not that nonsense @@og_ktg
Maybe Coach Kim isn't a fraud, but we can't know for sure if he's good either. Yeah he won the LCK with Longzhu, but he was already on the team when they were bad in Spring. And then they became good because they added good players in Khan and Bdd to pair with their already good bot lane. That's it. He won with IG because he had TheShy, Rookie and JackeyLove. Everywhere else his teams were either bad or mediocre: DIG, Damwon (won Worlds without him), T1 (kept swapping player in and out), BLG (he had Weiwei, Zeka, Aiming and ppgod lol). And DRX only became good when he was kicked out, right before Worlds. But regardless, Mata is the one doing all the coaching for Gen.G, we can see him speaking nonstop in between games and after. The guy has the greatest brain ever in LoL and actually he's Challenger right now, has more LP than people like Keria and BeryL somehow.
Love the bit about the realworld advice for the show. I mean sometimes I don't have the time to watch the whole video in one sitting, but I come back to it everytime I start it.
The Book Mikyx was reading was 'The Inner Game of Tennis'. I have heard the same story from someone else who had the same pain. The brain is a weird thing
I don’t know where you heard this but Miky replied to me once and he said the book he read was: Pain Free for Life by Dr. Scott Brady I‘ve read it too and got rid of my chronic pain within a few weeks. Highly, highly recommend!
@@ParallelZuVega true my father also cured his back chronic pain by reading this book. From montly injections to no pain whatsoever. He couldnt even walk, that how painfull it was but after reading nothing. Srsly it does sound unreal until you witness it
The statement last year winter champ didnt get qualified for MSI is wrong. G2 went to MSI because of Winter. Not because of Spring or something else. They probably would have as well with Championship Points but they could have been 10th in Spring and still would have gone. There was even the question raised, wether they should just send a budget roster to spring LEC and send the real roster bootcamping and scrimming in Korea to get competitive
I'm watching that SKT v OMG game from 2013 and it's so funny to me to be watching it because of Monte's comment then hear Riv mention Monte during the draft
I feel like it goes one of two ways with Adam, he either feels like he let his team down and attempts to change his behavior as Monte said. Or he realizes the team built as it is with JNX in his place has no chance to come in first, so it emboldens him and he continues to act as he does. Knowing the team is subpar without him.
@@fathertime7864 He’s not bad, but the team was built around Adam, they have no other carry threat, and I don’t see JNX becoming that top lane bully/carry player. Look at the drafts before the substitution and after, it’s obviously changed the dynamic of the team. It forces ice and nuclearint to take on more of the dmg% responsibility. They went from oriana/neeko/azir to azir/corki. From Varus/Ashe to ezreal/apheleos. Losing Adam affects this team in a rather significant way.
@@Katsukir Yes, and look how they were playing. By the game 3 BDS became somewhat competitive vs MDK. I believe give Striker a time and he will reform the team back to mid-bot centric team. Of course he is not stupid enough to keep top as a main pressure point if his toplaner is not a strongside guy. Striker will make JNX works, but not the same way he make Adam works
I'm not the biggest Rekkles fan but I have watched quite a few T1 CL games with Caedrel and Rekkles is not even close to the reason they have a 3-6 record. The bot lane is easily the best part of that team. The top laner and jungler are huge griefers and Poby can either play well or run it down
1:46:35 well it has weak predictive power- generally the more powerful team will stay being powerful and will be more likely be more powerful alter and win alter
The unfortunate truth about the very artful yelling at clouds segment is that the problem with the man yelling at the cloud is not whether the cloud deserves to be yelled at but rather what yelling at a cloud is going to accomplish. Yelling at the man yelling at the cloud is more likely to do something than yelling at the cloud.
I think it's related to the deal with Saudi that they were going to do. It seems like Monte and Thoorin were down because it was a shit ton of money but RL refused and probably said he would do everything in his power to fuck with it lol. They do a 4 Horsemen on it where they bring in the liaison from saudi
It was an older one, I think the actual outing comes from a RL article but there's an older one where they bring in the guy who they had a deal with and Richard basically says he was the line breaker on the deal..that would have made them all millions
I am pretty sure that last year it was also the case that both split winners would attend MSI unless the same team won twice. I distinctly remember that people thought MAD shot themselves in the foot by beating G2, because that meant they had to win the split (which people thought they couldn't do), while otherwise they just needed G2 to win it (which people thought was guaranteed)
Yo, which Wooloo were they talking about? Sounds like Monte was talking about the LCS Wooloo guy, and about mid-way throught the convo Thoorin switched to talking about LEC Wooloo.
Monte, you said "I would like to believe that there is inherent truth or inherent power in certain forms of art and that it isn't all on the interpretation of the critic, [but a critic can make art via beautiful, compelling interpretation.]" Let's say a monkey with a typewriter is given an infinite amount of time and it creates the works of Shakespeare and some original, beautiful piece of literature. While that Shakespearean work might have some "inherent truth or inherent power" because those same words were written by a human with intention, do you think that the original piece of literature the monkeys created has some inherent truth as well? Does inherent truth necessarily come from the artist themselves? An interpreter of art might be closer to the inherent truth than the artist themselves, and I think this issue is what gave rise to postmodern approaches to criticism, like Barthe's. What do you think Meteos' response would be?
Being completely honest, this entire time, I did not know Wooloo existed and i thought "TheSheep Esports" was meant as a satirical nickname for TheScore Esports.
I am the biggest Jun fan but in this last tf in game 5 he completely trolled. Not only he decided to put an useless ward and get chunked but also forgot to stay close to his adc and cleanse Mao ult. I do not think we can blame Noah for this situation at all. It is hard to see in the middle of the tf that Gwen is not actually blocking for you.
Thank you monte for cherrypicking your favourite T1 fan stupid comment ,and then shit on the whole T1 enjoyers , aka the biggest fandom in the entire of league , and thousands of them in the western scene that watched you casting their games ,
1:02:42 to some extent it’s not abt what u want but also what people actually need bc art sit. Just entertainment There is some collaboration and correlation
01:41:00 isn't that what ya'll literally do regarding g2 in LEC? if they win they are the best, if they lose they are just fucking around and they'll get back to form during playoffs? ofc fans would say t1 is the best, they are fans just like you
They are stupid af. Ok according to monte, if t1 lost to geng, why tf is geng 3rd and t1 2nd in his list. They suck off g2 to get the western fans to watch them. It is so obvious.
Yes let's disregard the context and nuances when these statements are made. 1) The statement G2 is the best when they win is due to eye test and what they do when they win. 2) G2 have proven to that they can get back in form despite having a rougher split, see past LEC titles. 3) The T1 statement is made due to T1 fan's trying to rewrite history into saying JDG wasn't the best team for 3/4 quarters of the year because they won against JDG in the end that everyone who said JDG was good are liars. 4) T1 fans overrating T1 despite the fact that T1 lost 5 straight finals before their matchup against JDG. But nah they are just fans because you can't understand context and nuances.
@@Y3llowshm3llow 5 finals is insane stat line tho. Sure no trophy but that means the team is easily one of the best roster overall. Jdg for sure the better roster last year overall but t1 isn’t that far behind. 3-2-2-1 and that’s not even including 2022. One game from back to back world champion.
Because I don't go on twitter or reddit I ask here: Does anyone know what happened to Cody Sun? I was browsing all the worlds on liquipedia to just freshen up my memory and I realized Cody Sun was a staple in NA at the time, with good LCS finishes as soon as he entered the league, went to worlds with 3 different teams and then was banished to TSM academy and disappeared. I'm no fan of the dude, but the more I go back and stumble across names, I am so surprised that many just fizzle out for no apparent reason.
Be an esports personality -> complain about uninformed TSM, T1, spanish, french fans -> try to expand and comment on broader topics outside of your expertise -> arrive at bullshit like ''if somebody says the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the phew, that means killing people'' as if this wasn't allready a given principle throughout history and around the globe. Judging by Thorins level of ignorance i'm not even sure where to begin to explain: Free healthcare, education? Habeas Corpus? The basic f****** principle of democracy? This inhumane middle scool level philosophical dilettantism really kills my joy in listening to theese otherwise well made programs.
Not uninformed about TSM, T1, Spanish fans or French fans - As they repeatedly show themselves up to be clowns over and over again. You seem to miss the context in which they are talking about Communism and people who ironically will use that line to say that Communism is good... whilst also using it as a stance to call for the murder of the wealthy or people they dont like. Which was literally the entire premise of Revolutions in both China and Russia that resulted in a Authoritarian state in which anyone who went against the "common good" was killed. Its kind of easy to understand what they are saying when you realise that 99% of the internet pays no attention to history and stands behind politics that they dont really understand without ever questioning it or think critically about it. The same people that will see the name "Last Free Nation" and immediately go "That is a right wing fascist programme and Monte and Thorin are Nazi's" unironically whilst Monte is closer to liberal than he is anything else.
So let's see if I have this straight. If a power ranking was done today, T1's loss (in week 1 of the split) to GenG means T1 is weaker than BLG, but BLG's loss to IG (in week 6) has no bearing on the discussion because "LPL fiesta"?
same cope people have with jdg. jdg is considered the most dominant lineup, but geng is trash because they choke at worlds? meanwhile jdg choked back to back worlds 2022 and 2023 and lpl fans still on their dick. I wouldn't even put blg over geng.
@@Zed-ch9fg I also can't imagine calling it "choke" when you lose to another extremely good team. JDG lost to T1 both times in the semis, and before that they went to 5 games at MSI. It's almost as if with really good teams you're at most 60-40 on wins depending on who plays better that day.
All the zoomer randos hating the Thorin/Monty synergy just shows they came for the Adam drama to the one place they knew were garanteed the truth, then proceeded to shittalk the podcast they have never seen. For us regular listeners to the podcast we are just waiting for Thorins' "rude" interruption on Montys "innecesarily long" explanation of his point. You can even watch when Monty has a real important point he just goes "wait a sec lemme finish this point" and thats about it. All is good for eveyrone, expect for the hater ofc, they be hatin
0:32 I mean it’s like do you care that much The whole point of the diss is that being older doesn’t make you more qualified- it can be quite the podpite actually, and it creates the phenomenon of old, bitter deluded people who can’t deal yelling at basically nothing in particular out of bitterness- The whole point is the cloud isn’t something powerful, it’s just some random thing, and they’re just yelling for yelling’s sake because they’re bitter about life, as opposed to having a well-shushed perpevetive
This arc of Monte "I hate this KT to my core and I can't believe they are winning" is one of the most entertaining content in a while. If this KT roster is gonna win anything and not all other rosters that he liked videos of him fuming will be golden
Monte had a good point about blg with knight. Unfortunately he forgot that faker clap him clap all mids. As for now I would put them the same. As for bin vs Zeus there's no comparison Zeus is way better. If his team is winning sure he run it down for fun. But if his team is losing his 1v9 that game. Then theres gumma and keria elk is playing better then gumma. His been killed 2v2 a few times but he looks bored . As for keria even bigger gap then top lane. Not a t1 fan just pointing out what I see.
Only top team goes for sure. The others qualify via points, in which spring matters much more than winter. Or you can have the winter champion and spring champion go
The winner of winter and spring goes to MSI, the latter as first seed. *Only if it is the same team* then second seed is determined through championship points
The reason why we don't effectively already live in (a voluntary form of) communism is because neither the rich guy cares about the poor guy as much (or more) as he cares for himself nor does the poor guy care about the others enough to not ask "what about me" and keep slaving away enthusiastically Stalin’s form of communism is fine unless you think that people didn't want to build tanks and combat aircrafts for 16 hours a day every day for a loaf of bread or that getting killed by a famine is undesirable So voluntary communism would mean that humanity is evolving past limited identities of "individual", family, etc Government enforced communism means that everybody is a literal slave cause having more than someone else (read: anything), and that includes intelligence, means that you must've stolen it It is a beautiful concept but as a government ideology it misses the fact (sometimes intentionally) that sharing is many of times (not always) the opposite of what most people wanna do, especially when the sharing is taking place besides your will and goes through the middle man of a government that not only killed your whole family but also only cares about economic pie in as much as it's necessary to wage war (in a case of Stalin) or in as much as it allows them to skim as much as they can from the top to prolong their reign (and wage war (in the case of Putin)) Last but not least all socialism (government "charity") is also a beautiful concept but it's always about the same exact thing - the ability of the "government official" to take fruits of labor from the others and use them. . for his benefit It's interesting how communism doesn't get as much bad press despite having killed more people than probably any other ideology and how places like San Francisco are literally turning into postapocalyptic wasteland due to being high on the spectrum (sharing and caring wise) Good slogans but the idea that "big guy" will "take care" of you is not only very presumptuous - it also sounds kinda gay Big government is not just "good" or "bad" - it is insanely stupid
1:09:47 ‘Classical liberal’ as a meme is already forgotten Americans are especially confused by it because of teh American use of the term ‘liberal’ ‘Classical liberal’ was historically used by 2010s confused vaguely right ‘culture war’ figures; that doesn’t mark one evil, that’s a separate thing
They can't go 10 seconds into talking about LCK without going right to shitting on T1 fans. Ah yes, the great monolith that is the T1 fanbase, the largest fanbase in all of LoL. It must be so convenient to be able to completely dismiss any and all arguments from anyone in said fanbase on the basis of that fanbase's most insufferable loyalists being (surprise surprise) insufferable and insane. I wish I could say their opinions come from good faith sincerity like their disdain of TSM and FNC fans in years past, but it's so entirely clear to anyone that's kept up with Last Free Nation's content and overlapping discussions between shows that the near-constant, indignant dismissal of T1 fans is simply copy-pasting IWD's opinions into an otherwise empty vessel of a perspective. How about we try compartmentalizing the hating of the fans separately from the team itself, yeah? Let's not underrate the team just because a few dozen fans share their (at times, understandable) vitriol at the criticism of their favorite team. And let's certainly not arrogantly assume that every one of said fans is a fair-weather bandwagoner who hasn't even watched the rest of Faker's career. Just remember, if you respond to vitriol, with vitriol, you might as well have deserved the former response.
Imo, it's probably because they despise Joe Marsh and also there's no more TSM and TSM fans to hate on, so the next best target is T1. Pretty easy to go from there, mad easy engagement farming strat; and I for one am entertained by it.
Its soo triggering when they say T1 fans , they put the biggest fanbase in a corner and shit on it because some fans are annoying and they don't aagree with them , at this point there is no real analysis whatsoever , they just base it on their emotion and bias , thank God the Asian/Korean fans don't give a shit about the western scene , I guess this shit won't stop because its good publicity to shit on fan opinion , great !
They did it with tsm fans FNC fans na fans now kcorp fans , and now T1 "fans" , I love it when Monte Cherrypick comments and call T1 fans said this stupid thing , so that means thousand of western T1 enjoyer's are stupid ? What about the ppl that they were T1 enjoyer's since S3 or S5 , and not the bandwagon that are lpl fans that gaslight you to hate and dismiss LCK/T1 , at this point its just their style of shitting on popular teams fans for engagement
no view if they don't shit T1 fans... that's why i unsubscribe most of lol content creator I do check them from time to time but I also make sure I have my ad blocker on when I'm checking their content
@@RyujiTakagi They're welcome to dislike Joe Marsh on the basis of his PR mistakes but to then decide that by association the org he represents and furthermore the fanbase it has built deserves their eternal enmity.... Talk about a thinly-veiled bitterness on the part of MonteCristo that T1/SKT has stopped his own favorite team KT at every turn in League of Legends, and the one year (2018) that KT had a chance to ignore the threat of T1 they miserably failed when it mattered.
Tbh I think Monte wants to be interrupted it prevents him from having to actually finish his points and its better to let Thoorin say what he wants to say instead of holding onto it and forgetting...it's a long ass podcast Imo Monte has great succient points but for the content to be so long form and drawn out it needs Thoorin going random lol
That ezreal support was actually kind of doing damage with the horizon focus for a support poking on the squishies later in the game. A more mobile zyra ward with the horizon focus Qs. The pick is definitely not good lol... The denial is more powerful i suppose depending on opponent vhampion pool. But also if lane had gone a bit better early it would have looked very much like the other double adc games that snowball. Kind of rooting for Knight and BLG to win worlds this time around. He's too good and needs a tick on his belt before the game dies 😂...
For the communism part, beyond being a concept it is actually applied in a lot of structures in different passed and present societies. We just never seen it implemented on large scale nation states cause it implies democratizing the totality of society. Which is a difficult but interesting project. Nothing to do with the USSR though.
1:37:10 i thought the fuck up way you said was broken brain but it was actually more like broken braid but holy shit that will be a good insult towards broken blade if need be if nobodies called him that before "broken brain"
AND ANOTHER THING, MONTE, BY THE WAY, IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T NOTICED, I AM PHYSICALLY INCAPABLE OF ALLOWING YOU TO FINISH A THOUGHT WITHOUT CUTTING YOU OFF. NOW, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT? I'VE GOT AN ANALOGY FOR YOU, BY THE WAY........
Ending Winter 2nd instead of 3rd could be VERY important. If FNC next split finish 2nd and BDS 3rd, FNC would go to MSI. If BDS were 2nd this split, they would go. Please actually look at points and imagine hypothetical scenarios before saying it didn't matter.
Bds 80 third winter 120 if second in spring 200 Fnc 60 fourth in winter 120 if second in spring 180 Mad 100 second in winter 95 if THIRD in spring 195 But who knows who will be first, that sure could change things.
They said its the moment it matters the least, not that it doesnt matter at all. Please actually listen to the podcast instead of imagining hypothetical scenarios before sayin something they didnt say.
1:08:03 that’s not what ‘classical liberal’ means, that’s 2014 ass internet mdjbrow American conservatism is historically connected to ‘classical liberalism’ so-called; Political views are not ‘personality’. Having slight conservative cultural ‘messgaes’ isn’t positive or not
1:48:50 Well, its exactly reality which you’re always disputing- the whole point so you’re disputing what is or isn’t the reality, otherwise there’s be no point. Well that’s not quite it, SK psychology is it’s own thing- ‘fractured self’ between thee world and lurked
Remember in 2017 when Dardoch randomly got benched in playoffs for Omargod when CLG was super close to winning the split? The Adam situation seems oddly similar to that, except that in Dardoch's case, he legit didn't do anything, according to Aphromoo in Thorin's reflections
monte your argument of ignoring how blg was better than t1 since msi last year makes no sense. when you look at how strong a team is, you don't mainly go by historical records. you go by how strong they look currently and their most recent performance. by your logic, are we supposed to take into account how dominant t1 was in 2013, 2015, 2016 when ranking them in 2024?
Monte you like the drama lmao noone said why T1 over BLG, they were saying why MAD is in the top 10 LMFAO why you want ot blame everything into T1 fans?.
Hmm, why does it feel like they are trying to make drama about Wooloo where nothing was? Like, does it matter much if they label him as "leaker" or "journalist". Title itself shouldn't matter much, no?
It does matter because they have different standards, A leaker has significantly lower standards than a Journalist because a Leaker can effectively say whatever they want, whereas a Journalist would not only damage their integrity and image but also potentially open themselves up to all sorts if they say something wrong. If you are calling yourself a Journalist then you are putting yourself up to a much higher standard of not just reporting but information gathering/Sources, etc.
@@PeoplePleaser578 dunno, it just sorta feels like nothing has changed between before sheep esports and after. Sheep esports feels pretty much the same as dot esports. We constantly see journalists in all different areas twist the story a bit to make it more interesting. We dont value those as higher standard, I wouldn't here either then
Yes, it absolutely does. Professionals titles matter. These people knowingly and intentionally abuse those titles for their prestige. There is a reason why a title like "doctor" is protected. Because it means something. And so does "journalist" but since it is not a protected, sanctioned title (arguable it shouldn't be either) any bottomfeeder scum can leech off of it.
2:19:52 that’s only what you consider ‘cool’, based on your rosomak prefenrces and language People have their own cosncienfe Apple is a more baller name
40min into the vid. Monte Cristo trying to explain exactly what Adam did 3 different times and Thorin cuts him off and derails. Honestly so damn annoying. Stop yelling at me.
This is one of the dumbest episodes i've watched I'm not a t1 fan at all but their points about them is so stupid. First do these guys really think that if yagao was replaced with knight in those two games t1 played against blg that blg would've won. Second if knight is such a better player than yagao how did t1 3-1 jdg who had the "greatest" roster of all time and a roster which is better than the blg now. Lastly if you're going to cherry pick and go back to msi 2023 where blg shit stomped the enitirety of the lck we should go back to worlds 2022 which is an even more important tournment where lck shit on lpl just the same and where t1 went 6-1 against the lpl this shit makes absolutely no sense to me im not saying t1 would for sure 100% beat blg rn but looking at all the leagues t1 is the best team rn.
I just love how all of JDG's losses shouldn't count against them, and they still had the "best roster ever made" but T1 doesn't because they also sometimes lose games. Just because a team loses a series doesn't mean the other team is always better and will always beat them. Freaking G2 lost to Rogue in regular split. From that sample size Rogue is better.
@@Arkanna96 Weird how when T1 spend half the year struggling but then beat JDG at worlds - They were always better than them and always will be. Funny how it works that way, but JDG beating T1 at MSI didnt actually mean anything and was irrelevant because T1 were just always better...
@@PeoplePleaser578 First off, that isn't even the point I was making nor the logic I was using. I was simply pointing out a double standard because people love to take any excuse to hate on T1 and say they're overrated way more than with any other team. I do believe there's strong arguments for that JDG roster being the best and I did actually think they were going to win worlds last year based on how their year had gone. But I also believed that if there was ANY team that could beat them it was T1. Because when T1 are at their absolute peak they can beat anyone and it showed. Maybe others value consistency more, and from that pov I guess GenG and JDG can be rated better. But I personally rather root for teams like T1 and BLG who have the potential, even if that higher volatility means they sometimes lose games they shouldn't. And at least in the last worlds it showed exactly that. It's sad the roster was split up, I am curious what would've happened if it didn't, if JDG stayed together more than a year and showed the same consistency then I would consider them competing with T1's roster for best roster. As it stands T1 are now on their 3rd year with the exact same team. The team which in 2022 won 1st place LCK in spring, second place MSI, 2nd place summer and 2nd place worlds - and people called it a disappointing year. Now their "struggling" 2023 year, they dominated regular season but ended up losing finals to GenG in spring. Then they got 3rd place at MSI, again losing to two of the best teams in the world in JDG and BLG in games that were very competitive. The only time this roster struggled was when Faker was not playing and they had to use their god damn academy mid laner who was not LCK ready. They bounced back instantly when he returned and finished second again in LCK and then finally won Worlds. So again tell me why that MSI BO5 is worth more than the BO5 at worlds? Why is JDG better than the team that always finished at least second in every competition with the exception of that one MSI? If "struggling" for T1 means they didn't stomp everything and "only" came in second in international events and in the most competitive region, because we have just that high of an expectation of them then maybe we should just admit that subconsciously we think they're the best.
@@Arkanna96 Nobody said that JDGs Bo5 win at MSI was worth more than worlds… the point that Thorin and myself were making is T1 fans have a tendency to go “Well T1 beat them at worlds in a Bo5 that means they were always better and JDG only beat them at an irrelevant tournament” so his point is counter to that. As for T1 - They did categorically struggle, after spring split they were not the same team. GenG had their number all year. They made it through playoffs looking like a shade of themselves and beating a KT team that literally beat themselves at every opportunity. Going into worlds they did not look like the dominant team in fact nowhere close to it, it wasn’t until their Bo3 vs BLG where T1 actually started to look like their spring form. They were not the best in the world - They were the best for the meta that developed at worlds and the meta that still stands now. As for “Most competitive region” it’s really not… it’s literally KT (Occasionally), T1 and GenG, everyone else is irrelevant because they have 0 chance of winning it or even beating those teams…. And one of those teams we can count out when it comes playoffs because even with Beryl “I’m going to win worlds regardless of how good my team is” they will inevitably roll over and die, losing to T1 because that is KT all over… they are Perennial chokers. Fact is last year LPL was vastly more competitive and it showed at every international event… with LPL holding like a 19-7 ( Looked it up) record over every other team in the LCK not named T1. T1 were the only team with a winning record vs LPL and all of those came at worlds which took LCK to 19-18 vs LPL last year…. Literally T1 were the wins of the LCK. LCK is not some super dominant region anymore nor is it overly competitive it’s always been a top heavy region dominated by 1-3 teams.
@@PeoplePleaser578As for me I was just using that jdg argument because they had a better roster than the roster blg have now and t1 has looked pretty much the same as they did at worlds so I don’t think it’s objectively right to say blg is the best team in the world rn (I still think lpl will win Msi cause lck never does). I do agree with you tho lpl was a much stronger region last year and lck has always been 2-3 teams at the top without much competition.
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About the whole BB not practicing TF and such. He went on the German costream after the series and talked about some more draft/ingame stuff. Some takeaways from that for anyone interested:
- BB/G2 actually got bamboozled by MDK in game 1 draft and had to bandaid Caps onto TF mid draft. He also said in hindsight the Akali pick was not a good one as MDK had a lot of cc that game
- He thought Myrwn actually played pretty good in game 1 but G2 just had better drafts after + Myrwn didn't seem to know how to play the matchups very well after that
- He actually didn't expect to pick Gragas and only practiced it 1 day bc he thought Gragas might be pretty broken on this patch (especially on 3 items). Also Gragas is an oldschool Jayce counter.
He didn't like the full AP topside but also didn't really have a good AD pick into Taliyah/Rell. And MDK didn't have that many tanky champs + the AP champs G2 had, were of the type that didn't care too much about MR (Lillia true dmg, Azir a lot of DPS). He then proposed it and team/Dylan gave the okay.
- they knew MDK liked to play Senna so Hans and BB were constantly communicating in Game 2 and 3 if a swap was good/when to swap bc Senna doesn't have great push and you could even swap when not actually having prio in lane
- Game 2 he said Myrwn played Gnar very well (in lane) and the only other person in LEC that can play Gnar that well in lane is probably Irrelevant
- in his eyes MDK as a team doesn't pick meta but what is "good" in the sense of what makes sense at that moment in draft. (He gave the example of game 1 them picking 4 champs that are good against TF and him having to ask Caps to play TF for him). In that sense he thinks they are similar to G2 as in you have to think twice when drafting against them and they like to flex a lot.
...oh and his plan for the off-season is to fix the flat tire on his bike.
I honestly believe that the section where they talked about how this show came into being is why I love the concept of LFN. It's genuinely interesting people making the content they want to make without any of the handcuffs of suit and tie TV. I have never been able to put my finger on why I have watched almost all of Thorin's content over the years but I think he nailed it. None of it is artificial. It is organic, pure, and free of the shackles of fake television. Thank you very much for all the years of entertainment guys. You have, and continue to, be some of the best parts of my week.
Sometimes, it's adorable when Thorin defends Monte. You can tell they care for each other very much. I approve.
are there shipping fanfics of them?
Btw Oscar broke his hand raging after a scrim. Dom confirmed it.
Not suprised he is built like paper
Xdd
We knew about that from a long time ago, through a odoamne reference
He never broke it cause he was playing 2 weeka later, a broken hand takes around 6 weeks to heal so NO it was NEVER broken.
@@Slashrestowe get the point he fucked it up while raging
I was expecting them to dunk so hard on Riot for the 5 min black screen on the LEC stream
Thorin's rant at the start is the perfect old man yells at cloud rant, and it's about that exact topic. Perfection.
2:52:00 Faker did in fact play Master Yi Mid in 2015 Summer vs CJ 😉
Casual reminder that the only loss of g2 with caps in lec finals is from a team which they had 3-0 just a week prior in even more dominant fashion than bds. So i don't really agree with the bds didn't lose anything anyway in terms of winning finals. You never know how teams will respond and what bds learnt from that series.
At the same time i don't think it's a disaster for them even if they lost some championship points. They've been a good team and can continue to grow. And i agree with striker benching adam, you gotta think about the long term profit instead of a team. You can't be giving a pass to players.
BLG lost 2/0 to IG tho 👀 in mid season
While T1 lost 2/1 to GEN on literally the first game of the season.
I don't think anyone of you is right tho because we won't be able to know if T1 is better than BLG or BLG is better until we see them in MSI
Right and so there's literally no reason to get mad about it because it's just their opinions of each teams current form.
who said i am mad ? :)
everyone can have their opinion and it's fine to think BLG is better maybe they really are. I was just not convinced by the reason of that choice which is because T1 lost to GEN and when you say BLG lost to IG they say it doesn't matter. it just literally doesn't make any sense. you can say BLG is better because their play style is better in your opinion, T1 is meming and having fun or Guma not having his best split or any other reason that might seem reasonable not that nonsense @@og_ktg
Maybe Coach Kim isn't a fraud, but we can't know for sure if he's good either. Yeah he won the LCK with Longzhu, but he was already on the team when they were bad in Spring. And then they became good because they added good players in Khan and Bdd to pair with their already good bot lane. That's it. He won with IG because he had TheShy, Rookie and JackeyLove. Everywhere else his teams were either bad or mediocre: DIG, Damwon (won Worlds without him), T1 (kept swapping player in and out), BLG (he had Weiwei, Zeka, Aiming and ppgod lol). And DRX only became good when he was kicked out, right before Worlds. But regardless, Mata is the one doing all the coaching for Gen.G, we can see him speaking nonstop in between games and after. The guy has the greatest brain ever in LoL and actually he's Challenger right now, has more LP than people like Keria and BeryL somehow.
Mata isls a beast
Love the bit about the realworld advice for the show. I mean sometimes I don't have the time to watch the whole video in one sitting, but I come back to it everytime I start it.
I was waiting for this episode!! Thank you guys !!
The Book Mikyx was reading was 'The Inner Game of Tennis'. I have heard the same story from someone else who had the same pain. The brain is a weird thing
I don’t know where you heard this but Miky replied to me once and he said the book he read was: Pain Free for Life by Dr. Scott Brady
I‘ve read it too and got rid of my chronic pain within a few weeks. Highly, highly recommend!
@@ParallelZuVega true my father also cured his back chronic pain by reading this book. From montly injections to no pain whatsoever. He couldnt even walk, that how painfull it was but after reading nothing. Srsly it does sound unreal until you witness it
The statement last year winter champ didnt get qualified for MSI is wrong. G2 went to MSI because of Winter. Not because of Spring or something else. They probably would have as well with Championship Points but they could have been 10th in Spring and still would have gone. There was even the question raised, wether they should just send a budget roster to spring LEC and send the real roster bootcamping and scrimming in Korea to get competitive
I'm watching that SKT v OMG game from 2013 and it's so funny to me to be watching it because of Monte's comment then hear Riv mention Monte during the draft
I feel like it goes one of two ways with Adam, he either feels like he let his team down and attempts to change his behavior as Monte said. Or he realizes the team built as it is with JNX in his place has no chance to come in first, so it emboldens him and he continues to act as he does. Knowing the team is subpar without him.
True, I think benching was a good thing though because tolerating a rager is guaranteed to not work
idk I think JNX did great considering he hadn't been on LEC since 2022 and was thrusted into a semis
If Striker was able to make Adam work in the line-up, he'll be able to make JNX work. The guy was not bad at all.
@@fathertime7864 He’s not bad, but the team was built around Adam, they have no other carry threat, and I don’t see JNX becoming that top lane bully/carry player. Look at the drafts before the substitution and after, it’s obviously changed the dynamic of the team. It forces ice and nuclearint to take on more of the dmg% responsibility. They went from oriana/neeko/azir to azir/corki. From Varus/Ashe to ezreal/apheleos. Losing Adam affects this team in a rather significant way.
@@Katsukir Yes, and look how they were playing. By the game 3 BDS became somewhat competitive vs MDK. I believe give Striker a time and he will reform the team back to mid-bot centric team. Of course he is not stupid enough to keep top as a main pressure point if his toplaner is not a strongside guy. Striker will make JNX works, but not the same way he make Adam works
I'm not the biggest Rekkles fan but I have watched quite a few T1 CL games with Caedrel and Rekkles is not even close to the reason they have a 3-6 record. The bot lane is easily the best part of that team. The top laner and jungler are huge griefers and Poby can either play well or run it down
1:46:35 well it has weak predictive power- generally the more powerful team will stay being powerful and will be more likely be more powerful alter and win alter
The unfortunate truth about the very artful yelling at clouds segment is that the problem with the man yelling at the cloud is not whether the cloud deserves to be yelled at but rather what yelling at a cloud is going to accomplish. Yelling at the man yelling at the cloud is more likely to do something than yelling at the cloud.
Anytime Thorin does the Bane voice makes me fucking laugh, almost spit out my food. Banger episode
Thorin, you'd be surprised how many people are watching T1 Academy games. Caedrel plays a big role in that
Where can I find the Richard lewis call out of Thorin and Monti? I tried but couldn't 😢 I would like the content
I think it's related to the deal with Saudi that they were going to do. It seems like Monte and Thoorin were down because it was a shit ton of money but RL refused and probably said he would do everything in his power to fuck with it lol. They do a 4 Horsemen on it where they bring in the liaison from saudi
@@evanblaylock2750 did they already do it or will they do the episode of 4 horseman 😅
It was an older one, I think the actual outing comes from a RL article but there's an older one where they bring in the guy who they had a deal with and Richard basically says he was the line breaker on the deal..that would have made them all millions
@@evanblaylock2750hmm, what i remember of that horsemen episode richard said IF they would sell out to saudis he would come after them.
There is a short in thorin channel where he list all the time richard lewis called his friend out, like thorin etc.
44:42 I hope you're right, but knowing how some people can react, I predict grudge (from Adam) not hope.
I am pretty sure that last year it was also the case that both split winners would attend MSI unless the same team won twice.
I distinctly remember that people thought MAD shot themselves in the foot by beating G2, because that meant they had to win the split (which people thought they couldn't do), while otherwise they just needed G2 to win it (which people thought was guaranteed)
1:42:40 thorin just slicing through all the bullshit like a katana through ribbon just kills me sometimes 😂
Really wish these clouds would stop driving slow in the left lane
Yo, which Wooloo were they talking about? Sounds like Monte was talking about the LCS Wooloo guy, and about mid-way throught the convo Thoorin switched to talking about LEC Wooloo.
It's only LEC Wooloo, the LCS guy is Eevee
Monte, you said "I would like to believe that there is inherent truth or inherent power in certain forms of art and that it isn't all on the interpretation of the critic, [but a critic can make art via beautiful, compelling interpretation.]" Let's say a monkey with a typewriter is given an infinite amount of time and it creates the works of Shakespeare and some original, beautiful piece of literature. While that Shakespearean work might have some "inherent truth or inherent power" because those same words were written by a human with intention, do you think that the original piece of literature the monkeys created has some inherent truth as well? Does inherent truth necessarily come from the artist themselves? An interpreter of art might be closer to the inherent truth than the artist themselves, and I think this issue is what gave rise to postmodern approaches to criticism, like Barthe's. What do you think Meteos' response would be?
Being completely honest, this entire time, I did not know Wooloo existed and i thought "TheSheep Esports" was meant as a satirical nickname for TheScore Esports.
that KDF rant at 02:27:00 with a Wu-Tang beat background lmao i can see it
Monte and Thorin, before you yell at the clouds, please give us the TSM episode
Does anyome know what was tbe MikyX’s book ? Around 14:50
I am the biggest Jun fan but in this last tf in game 5 he completely trolled. Not only he decided to put an useless ward and get chunked but also forgot to stay close to his adc and cleanse Mao ult. I do not think we can blame Noah for this situation at all. It is hard to see in the middle of the tf that Gwen is not actually blocking for you.
Thorin's pimp bit was so funny
Monte has a good take on Communism
I love this story from Monte @1:05:00
Thank you monte for cherrypicking your favourite T1 fan stupid comment ,and then shit on the whole T1 enjoyers , aka the biggest fandom in the entire of league , and thousands of them in the western scene that watched you casting their games ,
It's called engagement farming, it's clearly working.
1:02:42 to some extent it’s not abt what u want but also what people actually need bc art sit. Just entertainment
There is some collaboration and correlation
"Maybe after that dad will come home"
01:41:00 isn't that what ya'll literally do regarding g2 in LEC? if they win they are the best, if they lose they are just fucking around and they'll get back to form during playoffs? ofc fans would say t1 is the best, they are fans just like you
They are stupid af. Ok according to monte, if t1 lost to geng, why tf is geng 3rd and t1 2nd in his list. They suck off g2 to get the western fans to watch them. It is so obvious.
Its all about bias here , and gaslight ppl to think their analysis is not based on emotions and bias
@@yassirelhidani6803 Nah I'm pretty sure its all about keeping you engaged and entertained lol.
Yes let's disregard the context and nuances when these statements are made.
1) The statement G2 is the best when they win is due to eye test and what they do when they win.
2) G2 have proven to that they can get back in form despite having a rougher split, see past LEC titles.
3) The T1 statement is made due to T1 fan's trying to rewrite history into saying JDG wasn't the best team for 3/4 quarters of the year because they won against JDG in the end that everyone who said JDG was good are liars.
4) T1 fans overrating T1 despite the fact that T1 lost 5 straight finals before their matchup against JDG.
But nah they are just fans because you can't understand context and nuances.
@@Y3llowshm3llow 5 finals is insane stat line tho. Sure no trophy but that means the team is easily one of the best roster overall. Jdg for sure the better roster last year overall but t1 isn’t that far behind. 3-2-2-1 and that’s not even including 2022. One game from back to back world champion.
Thorin has been hyping his Reckles video for months now, I hope it comes out soon
Because I don't go on twitter or reddit I ask here: Does anyone know what happened to Cody Sun? I was browsing all the worlds on liquipedia to just freshen up my memory and I realized Cody Sun was a staple in NA at the time, with good LCS finishes as soon as he entered the league, went to worlds with 3 different teams and then was banished to TSM academy and disappeared. I'm no fan of the dude, but the more I go back and stumble across names, I am so surprised that many just fizzle out for no apparent reason.
Be an esports personality -> complain about uninformed TSM, T1, spanish, french fans -> try to expand and comment on broader topics outside of your expertise -> arrive at bullshit like ''if somebody says the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the phew, that means killing people'' as if this wasn't allready a given principle throughout history and around the globe. Judging by Thorins level of ignorance i'm not even sure where to begin to explain: Free healthcare, education? Habeas Corpus? The basic f****** principle of democracy?
This inhumane middle scool level philosophical dilettantism really kills my joy in listening to theese otherwise well made programs.
Not uninformed about TSM, T1, Spanish fans or French fans - As they repeatedly show themselves up to be clowns over and over again.
You seem to miss the context in which they are talking about Communism and people who ironically will use that line to say that Communism is good... whilst also using it as a stance to call for the murder of the wealthy or people they dont like. Which was literally the entire premise of Revolutions in both China and Russia that resulted in a Authoritarian state in which anyone who went against the "common good" was killed.
Its kind of easy to understand what they are saying when you realise that 99% of the internet pays no attention to history and stands behind politics that they dont really understand without ever questioning it or think critically about it. The same people that will see the name "Last Free Nation" and immediately go "That is a right wing fascist programme and Monte and Thorin are Nazi's" unironically whilst Monte is closer to liberal than he is anything else.
stop being an npc or communist then
@@TheIronMan728 it isn't communism xD it's how society works. That's why laws exist, because we put the whole above the individual.
So let's see if I have this straight. If a power ranking was done today, T1's loss (in week 1 of the split) to GenG means T1 is weaker than BLG, but BLG's loss to IG (in week 6) has no bearing on the discussion because "LPL fiesta"?
same cope people have with jdg. jdg is considered the most dominant lineup, but geng is trash because they choke at worlds? meanwhile jdg choked back to back worlds 2022 and 2023 and lpl fans still on their dick. I wouldn't even put blg over geng.
@@Zed-ch9fg heck I'd put Flyquest over any LPL Team cuz at least they are self aware.
@@Zed-ch9fg Monte and Thorin were wrong re JDG. You can't be the best line up in history if you're not good enough to win Worlds.
@@Zed-ch9fg I also can't imagine calling it "choke" when you lose to another extremely good team. JDG lost to T1 both times in the semis, and before that they went to 5 games at MSI. It's almost as if with really good teams you're at most 60-40 on wins depending on who plays better that day.
T1 are clearly the best team in the world. Ever since that first loss they have been happy gaming and meme-ing on ever single team with ease.
All the zoomer randos hating the Thorin/Monty synergy just shows they came for the Adam drama to the one place they knew were garanteed the truth, then proceeded to shittalk the podcast they have never seen. For us regular listeners to the podcast we are just waiting for Thorins' "rude" interruption on Montys "innecesarily long" explanation of his point. You can even watch when Monty has a real important point he just goes "wait a sec lemme finish this point" and thats about it. All is good for eveyrone, expect for the hater ofc, they be hatin
0:32 I mean it’s like do you care that much
The whole point of the diss is that being older doesn’t make you more qualified- it can be quite the podpite actually, and it creates the phenomenon of old, bitter deluded people who can’t deal yelling at basically nothing in particular out of bitterness-
The whole point is the cloud isn’t something powerful, it’s just some random thing, and they’re just yelling for yelling’s sake because they’re bitter about life, as opposed to having a well-shushed perpevetive
This arc of Monte "I hate this KT to my core and I can't believe they are winning" is one of the most entertaining content in a while. If this KT roster is gonna win anything and not all other rosters that he liked videos of him fuming will be golden
I mean lets be real with Beryl and Pyosik on this team... If they make worlds its game over for everyone else xD.
Its great they got a laundry detergent sponsor in a gaming space. Though, its sad they assume we gamers either shower or wash our clothes.
Dammit! I am the one person who got the Jjonak reference, lol!
Monte had a good point about blg with knight. Unfortunately he forgot that faker clap him clap all mids. As for now I would put them the same. As for bin vs Zeus there's no comparison Zeus is way better. If his team is winning sure he run it down for fun. But if his team is losing his 1v9 that game. Then theres gumma and keria elk is playing better then gumma. His been killed 2v2 a few times but he looks bored . As for keria even bigger gap then top lane. Not a t1 fan just pointing out what I see.
How is Zeus way better than Bin lol they both took turns clapping each other at worlds.
@@belesir8847 Zeus champ pool. Bin has a very few champions where he is really amazing. Others? Not so much.
I'm an hour in and I still don't know what Adam did cause Thorin wont STFU
Had a beef with a coach.
They illuded to it like 15 times in the first 12 min “he’s a little shit” basically sums up the drama 😂
Didnt dom say that they gave up the chance to go to msi? Or is it just the top team that goes to msi?
Only top team goes for sure. The others qualify via points, in which spring matters much more than winter.
Or you can have the winter champion and spring champion go
The winner of winter and spring goes to MSI, the latter as first seed. *Only if it is the same team* then second seed is determined through championship points
The reason why we don't effectively already live in (a voluntary form of) communism is because neither the rich guy cares about the poor guy as much (or more) as he cares for himself nor does the poor guy care about the others enough to not ask "what about me" and keep slaving away enthusiastically
Stalin’s form of communism is fine unless you think that people didn't want to build tanks and combat aircrafts for 16 hours a day every day for a loaf of bread or that getting killed by a famine is undesirable
So voluntary communism would mean that humanity is evolving past limited identities of "individual", family, etc
Government enforced communism means that everybody is a literal slave cause having more than someone else (read: anything), and that includes intelligence, means that you must've stolen it
It is a beautiful concept but as a government ideology it misses the fact (sometimes intentionally) that sharing is many of times (not always) the opposite of what most people wanna do, especially when the sharing is taking place besides your will and goes through the middle man of a government that not only killed your whole family but also only cares about economic pie in as much as it's necessary to wage war (in a case of Stalin) or in as much as it allows them to skim as much as they can from the top to prolong their reign (and wage war (in the case of Putin))
Last but not least all socialism (government "charity") is also a beautiful concept but it's always about the same exact thing - the ability of the "government official" to take fruits of labor from the others and use them. . for his benefit
It's interesting how communism doesn't get as much bad press despite having killed more people than probably any other ideology and how places like San Francisco are literally turning into postapocalyptic wasteland due to being high on the spectrum (sharing and caring wise)
Good slogans but the idea that "big guy" will "take care" of you is not only very presumptuous - it also sounds kinda gay
Big government is not just "good" or "bad" - it is insanely stupid
1:09:47 ‘Classical liberal’ as a meme is already forgotten
Americans are especially confused by it because of teh American use of the term ‘liberal’
‘Classical liberal’ was historically used by 2010s confused vaguely right ‘culture war’ figures; that doesn’t mark one evil, that’s a separate thing
They can't go 10 seconds into talking about LCK without going right to shitting on T1 fans. Ah yes, the great monolith that is the T1 fanbase, the largest fanbase in all of LoL. It must be so convenient to be able to completely dismiss any and all arguments from anyone in said fanbase on the basis of that fanbase's most insufferable loyalists being (surprise surprise) insufferable and insane. I wish I could say their opinions come from good faith sincerity like their disdain of TSM and FNC fans in years past, but it's so entirely clear to anyone that's kept up with Last Free Nation's content and overlapping discussions between shows that the near-constant, indignant dismissal of T1 fans is simply copy-pasting IWD's opinions into an otherwise empty vessel of a perspective.
How about we try compartmentalizing the hating of the fans separately from the team itself, yeah? Let's not underrate the team just because a few dozen fans share their (at times, understandable) vitriol at the criticism of their favorite team. And let's certainly not arrogantly assume that every one of said fans is a fair-weather bandwagoner who hasn't even watched the rest of Faker's career. Just remember, if you respond to vitriol, with vitriol, you might as well have deserved the former response.
Imo, it's probably because they despise Joe Marsh and also there's no more TSM and TSM fans to hate on, so the next best target is T1. Pretty easy to go from there, mad easy engagement farming strat; and I for one am entertained by it.
Its soo triggering when they say T1 fans , they put the biggest fanbase in a corner and shit on it because some fans are annoying and they don't aagree with them , at this point there is no real analysis whatsoever , they just base it on their emotion and bias , thank God the Asian/Korean fans don't give a shit about the western scene , I guess this shit won't stop because its good publicity to shit on fan opinion , great !
They did it with tsm fans FNC fans na fans now kcorp fans , and now T1 "fans" , I love it when Monte Cherrypick comments and call T1 fans said this stupid thing , so that means thousand of western T1 enjoyer's are stupid ? What about the ppl that they were T1 enjoyer's since S3 or S5 , and not the bandwagon that are lpl fans that gaslight you to hate and dismiss LCK/T1 , at this point its just their style of shitting on popular teams fans for engagement
no view if they don't shit T1 fans... that's why i unsubscribe most of lol content creator I do check them from time to time but I also make sure I have my ad blocker on when I'm checking their content
@@RyujiTakagi They're welcome to dislike Joe Marsh on the basis of his PR mistakes but to then decide that by association the org he represents and furthermore the fanbase it has built deserves their eternal enmity.... Talk about a thinly-veiled bitterness on the part of MonteCristo that T1/SKT has stopped his own favorite team KT at every turn in League of Legends, and the one year (2018) that KT had a chance to ignore the threat of T1 they miserably failed when it mattered.
First hour is straight fire
I love the phrase "you little scurrying rats".
Can Thorin let Monte finish a thought. Please. Thank you.
Tbh I think Monte wants to be interrupted it prevents him from having to actually finish his points and its better to let Thoorin say what he wants to say instead of holding onto it and forgetting...it's a long ass podcast Imo Monte has great succient points but for the content to be so long form and drawn out it needs Thoorin going random lol
You being forced to watch?
My favourite time of the week
That ezreal support was actually kind of doing damage with the horizon focus for a support poking on the squishies later in the game. A more mobile zyra ward with the horizon focus Qs. The pick is definitely not good lol... The denial is more powerful i suppose depending on opponent vhampion pool. But also if lane had gone a bit better early it would have looked very much like the other double adc games that snowball.
Kind of rooting for Knight and BLG to win worlds this time around. He's too good and needs a tick on his belt before the game dies 😂...
Funny they are all out on Oscarinin for the broken hand, but not so much on Soaz.
I'm so disillusioned from western league that drama is the only possible thing worth consuming. It's not G2 that's good, just the rest that are trash.
facts
For the communism part, beyond being a concept it is actually applied in a lot of structures in different passed and present societies.
We just never seen it implemented on large scale nation states cause it implies democratizing the totality of society. Which is a difficult but interesting project.
Nothing to do with the USSR though.
Why does his tongue match his shirt?
1:43:10 damn Monty you really are on point😂😂😂
2:08:49 that’s almost eh ppsite
1:37:10 i thought the fuck up way you said was broken brain but it was actually more like broken braid but holy shit that will be a good insult towards broken blade if need be if nobodies called him that before "broken brain"
AND ANOTHER THING, MONTE, BY THE WAY, IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T NOTICED, I AM PHYSICALLY INCAPABLE OF ALLOWING YOU TO FINISH A THOUGHT WITHOUT CUTTING YOU OFF. NOW, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT? I'VE GOT AN ANALOGY FOR YOU, BY THE WAY........
2:08:04 it’s a very famous meme tho
First time viewer. God damn, Thorin is like a machinegun with endless bullets. Breathe dude, breathe. Let Monte do some talking.
Lol, you'll get used to it xd 😂
Ending Winter 2nd instead of 3rd could be VERY important. If FNC next split finish 2nd and BDS 3rd, FNC would go to MSI. If BDS were 2nd this split, they would go. Please actually look at points and imagine hypothetical scenarios before saying it didn't matter.
xD
Bds 80 third winter
120 if second in spring 200
Fnc 60 fourth in winter
120 if second in spring 180
Mad 100 second in winter
95 if THIRD in spring 195
But who knows who will be first, that sure could change things.
You are so dumb. They didn't say it didn't matter. They said it was the split that mattered the least, which is TRUE
They said its the moment it matters the least, not that it doesnt matter at all. Please actually listen to the podcast instead of imagining hypothetical scenarios before sayin something they didnt say.
Thorin we like you BECAUSE you are an old man yelling at clouds
1:08:03 that’s not what ‘classical liberal’ means, that’s 2014 ass internet mdjbrow
American conservatism is historically connected to ‘classical liberalism’ so-called;
Political views are not ‘personality’. Having slight conservative cultural ‘messgaes’ isn’t positive or not
1:48:50 Well, its exactly reality which you’re always disputing- the whole point so you’re disputing what is or isn’t the reality, otherwise there’s be no point.
Well that’s not quite it, SK psychology is it’s own thing- ‘fractured self’ between thee world and lurked
Well, im pretty sure T1 shoots to first place after BLG just got stomped by ig 😂
Ngl that ButtPounder420 question got me 😂
blg gets exposed after the tierlist LULE
They lost 1 series vs the 2nd place in the league xD
Remember in 2017 when Dardoch randomly got benched in playoffs for Omargod when CLG was super close to winning the split? The Adam situation seems oddly similar to that, except that in Dardoch's case, he legit didn't do anything, according to Aphromoo in Thorin's reflections
nuc is a really good player caps & humanoid already ranked him top 3
monte your argument of ignoring how blg was better than t1 since msi last year makes no sense. when you look at how strong a team is, you don't mainly go by historical records. you go by how strong they look currently and their most recent performance. by your logic, are we supposed to take into account how dominant t1 was in 2013, 2015, 2016 when ranking them in 2024?
I think you missed the point lol he was using fan logic against them to show how stupid it is
@@bigman3290 Nah monte logic is pretty bad. HS drop out logic.
Great episode, guys!
2:00:20 maybe in sc2 lol
1:00:59 Just leaving this here.
Monte you like the drama lmao noone said why T1 over BLG, they were saying why MAD is in the top 10 LMFAO why you want ot blame everything into T1 fans?.
Hmm, why does it feel like they are trying to make drama about Wooloo where nothing was? Like, does it matter much if they label him as "leaker" or "journalist". Title itself shouldn't matter much, no?
It does matter because they have different standards, A leaker has significantly lower standards than a Journalist because a Leaker can effectively say whatever they want, whereas a Journalist would not only damage their integrity and image but also potentially open themselves up to all sorts if they say something wrong. If you are calling yourself a Journalist then you are putting yourself up to a much higher standard of not just reporting but information gathering/Sources, etc.
@@PeoplePleaser578 dunno, it just sorta feels like nothing has changed between before sheep esports and after. Sheep esports feels pretty much the same as dot esports. We constantly see journalists in all different areas twist the story a bit to make it more interesting. We dont value those as higher standard, I wouldn't here either then
Yes, it absolutely does. Professionals titles matter. These people knowingly and intentionally abuse those titles for their prestige. There is a reason why a title like "doctor" is protected. Because it means something. And so does "journalist" but since it is not a protected, sanctioned title (arguable it shouldn't be either) any bottomfeeder scum can leech off of it.
yes the standings of the lpl is accurate, as in they're trash.
Based
monte is steve carrel from the big short, rn. betting on pyosic's downfall
My favorite show!
2:36:18 both are cool tho, not shitty imo
Wish thorin would let monte speak. I mean Jesus Christ dude. Interrupting him every 30 seconds to rant forever and ever.
34:31 😆 Fuckin hilarious
Trash talking T1 😂 every year, it really don't get old🤣
2:19:52 that’s only what you consider ‘cool’, based on your rosomak prefenrces and language
People have their own cosncienfe
Apple is a more baller name
40min into the vid. Monte Cristo trying to explain exactly what Adam did 3 different times and Thorin cuts him off and derails. Honestly so damn annoying. Stop yelling at me.
You're welcome to find another news source
Yeah how dare you express criticism
does thorin drink vodka?
Beryl denied playing at geng
I feel like he doesn't like playing with orgs that doesn't let him play Genshin in Peace hahaha
Wait, so if Monte went to school in Ireland.... does he speak fluent Irish?
Most Irish people don't even speak Irish. English is the main language, spoken with an Irish accent.
oh heh I've been. Was just trying to make a dumb joke 😅
Fair enough 😆Have a good one@@chill-potato
This is one of the dumbest episodes i've watched I'm not a t1 fan at all but their points about them is so stupid. First do these guys really think that if yagao was replaced with knight in those two games t1 played against blg that blg would've won. Second if knight is such a better player than yagao how did t1 3-1 jdg who had the "greatest" roster of all time and a roster which is better than the blg now. Lastly if you're going to cherry pick and go back to msi 2023 where blg shit stomped the enitirety of the lck we should go back to worlds 2022 which is an even more important tournment where lck shit on lpl just the same and where t1 went 6-1 against the lpl this shit makes absolutely no sense to me im not saying t1 would for sure 100% beat blg rn but looking at all the leagues t1 is the best team rn.
I just love how all of JDG's losses shouldn't count against them, and they still had the "best roster ever made" but T1 doesn't because they also sometimes lose games. Just because a team loses a series doesn't mean the other team is always better and will always beat them. Freaking G2 lost to Rogue in regular split. From that sample size Rogue is better.
@@Arkanna96 Weird how when T1 spend half the year struggling but then beat JDG at worlds - They were always better than them and always will be. Funny how it works that way, but JDG beating T1 at MSI didnt actually mean anything and was irrelevant because T1 were just always better...
@@PeoplePleaser578 First off, that isn't even the point I was making nor the logic I was using. I was simply pointing out a double standard because people love to take any excuse to hate on T1 and say they're overrated way more than with any other team. I do believe there's strong arguments for that JDG roster being the best and I did actually think they were going to win worlds last year based on how their year had gone. But I also believed that if there was ANY team that could beat them it was T1. Because when T1 are at their absolute peak they can beat anyone and it showed. Maybe others value consistency more, and from that pov I guess GenG and JDG can be rated better. But I personally rather root for teams like T1 and BLG who have the potential, even if that higher volatility means they sometimes lose games they shouldn't. And at least in the last worlds it showed exactly that.
It's sad the roster was split up, I am curious what would've happened if it didn't, if JDG stayed together more than a year and showed the same consistency then I would consider them competing with T1's roster for best roster. As it stands T1 are now on their 3rd year with the exact same team. The team which in 2022 won 1st place LCK in spring, second place MSI, 2nd place summer and 2nd place worlds - and people called it a disappointing year. Now their "struggling" 2023 year, they dominated regular season but ended up losing finals to GenG in spring. Then they got 3rd place at MSI, again losing to two of the best teams in the world in JDG and BLG in games that were very competitive. The only time this roster struggled was when Faker was not playing and they had to use their god damn academy mid laner who was not LCK ready. They bounced back instantly when he returned and finished second again in LCK and then finally won Worlds.
So again tell me why that MSI BO5 is worth more than the BO5 at worlds? Why is JDG better than the team that always finished at least second in every competition with the exception of that one MSI? If "struggling" for T1 means they didn't stomp everything and "only" came in second in international events and in the most competitive region, because we have just that high of an expectation of them then maybe we should just admit that subconsciously we think they're the best.
@@Arkanna96 Nobody said that JDGs Bo5 win at MSI was worth more than worlds… the point that Thorin and myself were making is T1 fans have a tendency to go “Well T1 beat them at worlds in a Bo5 that means they were always better and JDG only beat them at an irrelevant tournament” so his point is counter to that.
As for T1 - They did categorically struggle, after spring split they were not the same team. GenG had their number all year. They made it through playoffs looking like a shade of themselves and beating a KT team that literally beat themselves at every opportunity. Going into worlds they did not look like the dominant team in fact nowhere close to it, it wasn’t until their Bo3 vs BLG where T1 actually started to look like their spring form.
They were not the best in the world - They were the best for the meta that developed at worlds and the meta that still stands now. As for “Most competitive region” it’s really not… it’s literally KT (Occasionally), T1 and GenG, everyone else is irrelevant because they have 0 chance of winning it or even beating those teams…. And one of those teams we can count out when it comes playoffs because even with Beryl “I’m going to win worlds regardless of how good my team is” they will inevitably roll over and die, losing to T1 because that is KT all over… they are Perennial chokers. Fact is last year LPL was vastly more competitive and it showed at every international event… with LPL holding like a 19-7 ( Looked it up) record over every other team in the LCK not named T1. T1 were the only team with a winning record vs LPL and all of those came at worlds which took LCK to 19-18 vs LPL last year…. Literally T1 were the wins of the LCK. LCK is not some super dominant region anymore nor is it overly competitive it’s always been a top heavy region dominated by 1-3 teams.
@@PeoplePleaser578As for me I was just using that jdg argument because they had a better roster than the roster blg have now and t1 has looked pretty much the same as they did at worlds so I don’t think it’s objectively right to say blg is the best team in the world rn (I still think lpl will win Msi cause lck never does). I do agree with you tho lpl was a much stronger region last year and lck has always been 2-3 teams at the top without much competition.
Honestly what a contradiction. To change topics every 10 mimutes is just controlled digressions.
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