I'm sure this sounds weird to many but this movie created a breaking point for me. About 18 months before the movie came out I had gotten back from Af-crap-istan which was a pretty tough deployment. I hadn't dealt with all the emotional things yet and six months before the movie came out I left the Army. I had read the book but when I saw this movie with my wife I was immediately swept back to deployment and being with my brothers. When the Chinook goes down I lost it. All of that stuff finally came out and I was balling my eyes out. I had to finish the movie of course but as soon as it was over I called up a couple of my good buddies and we chatted for a bit. Don't know exactly why it all happened but it did, and it was such a relief for not only me, but my wife who was dying to have me open up to her. Such a great movie and tribute to those guys.
I was an 0331 in the Marines and was part of RCT-1 in the Battle of Fallujah. I never really experienced PTSD as I’ve always been good at compartmentalizing traumatic experiences and basically all aspects of my life. I have a buddy I served with who is still struggling with everything and kinda gives me grief that I don’t, even though we went through the exact same things. I tell him I don’t know man, my brain is just wired differently and has some weird block in there that most don’t have. When I seen this movie I was amazed how realistic that shoot out scene was it played out in almost slow motion like real fire fights do, as adrenaline spikes help you hone in and concentrate on the present moment, at least for me it did. That said hope all is well with you and you’re doing well. Never got to experience Afghanistan, just the dirty dusty deserts and slums of Iraq.
@@NickMcRyan great talking about compartmentalization of emotion and memory. That’s served me very well. There are a few instances that push me outside of that comfort zone and it gets tough, but it helps me recenter myself. The biggest part is the network we all have and that we ALL continue to embrace the suck together.
I was just regular Army infantry, and this movie really shook me when I saw it. All the things you talk about with how they got the banter, the terminology, and the attitudes right, I felt like these were the same guys I knew and served with. The whole attitude of “if we can just get on level ground, we can take ‘em,” really got me. I only watched it once, because it was a very tough watch for me. Far more so than any other movie I can think of.
Dude me too I was a 12B over there and how they got the talk and even the tents it was like being back there with my guys. I only watched it once too, great movie it’s in my library.
i guess my guys having this as our AO years before was calling bs start to finish, i grasp how people get caught up in the movie and make this hero story and lose sight of the reality of operations
I’m a 60 year old retired Submarine Chief. Love what you guys are doing, keep it up! As a note, the banter and hierarchy was a part of the Submarine community when I was on the Boats as well. Couldn’t agree more. All too often, movies get it wrong. And not everything is “hazing”. Testing your mettle and earning a spot at the table with other men in a select organization is how men are made.
Talk about a job I’d never be able to do. Boots on the ground sounds a lot better to me than in a tin can in the ocean. Woof, that sounds like a nightmare. Thank you for your service, you guys don’t get nearly enough credit.
Bilzerian was in the movie because he was one of the investors in getting it made. He ended up suing them because one of the stipulations of the investment was that he was guaranteed a certain amount of screen time in the movie, and they cut most of his scenes by the final edit.
He was doing the Napoleon Dynamite dance. Tbe real life guy he portrayed was from my home town, Boulder City. His dad was a SEAL too. Such a hard loss.
I ended up meeting and becoming very good friends with the father of one of the Seals who was on that chopper that was shot down. After years of knowing him and him talking to me about the man his son was, it made me wish I could have met his son while he was alive. Unfortunately, this friend I had passed away a couple of years ago but the one thing that made his death bearable, was the fact I knew he was with his son again. For the time that I knew him, I know not a day went by, where his heart wasn't broken about the loss of his son and the guys on his team. Every year on the anniversary of this mission, I always hung out with him just so he didn't have to be alone, and so that he knew other people knew about the hero his son was. I'll definitely miss him.
THO' they can never be replaced, you were a surrogate for his boy and received the knowledge he couldn't pass on to his boy. NOW you can pay it forward by passing the wisdom he gave you onto others. 🖖
I absolutely loved this movie. To know that actual SEALs had a large hand in training these actors to "get it right", speaks volumes to the validity of this epic movie. As an Army LRSD member who worked in 5-6-man teams, I can understand the "wired tight" mentality. When I first saw the movie, I understood how things could go south quickly. I probably would have zip tied the hands and legs of the young men to the elderly man, causing them to have to move very slowly to the Tally below. That may have given our team sufficient time to affect a successful exfil. Shout out to Marcus Luttrell, the Navy SEALs, all SFG (A), 75th RR, USMC Recon and veterans of all branches. RLTW! AATW! Great channel my big brothers of FNG Academy!!
Having seen the clip from Africa where the Green Berets were killed just recently, and now finding out you knew one of the men involved, it just really drives home the reality of what our soldiers go through. Much condolences and respect to you all. RIP.
My grandfather was was in Japan for WW2 and I remember him telling stories of the Japanese sending waves of villagers armed with farm tools like pitchforks and swords by the hordes and the tactic was for you to waste all your ammo on them so not to get chopped up and then they would send the regular Japanese solder's armed with firepower to finish you off. He would sometimes fall into flashbacks and think he was still there fighting. Must have been brutal my salutes and respect to the veterans
Thank you guys for your content and for your service. I was in Iraq in 2003 as a Heavy Construction Equipment Operator working on the IPDS. I can’t thank all the combative MOS’s enough for the security that was provided for us (too much support to mention individually). Having folks like you watch our backs made it a lot easier to get our job done.
cool pick up on what the old guy said to them. they never show the translation so I too always believed he kinda thanked them for not killing them. "you will all die tonight"..is not what I expected. Great pick up boys, makes it even more intense. Ive seen this movie like 20 times.
29:00 - if they had let the older, slower guy go and tied up the others, it would have bought them more time for comms, extract, etc. Instead they let the faster teenager go. Just sayin'.
@@wilson2455 the old man could have also circled back like 5 min later too. Tying them both up did seem like the middle ground option but they likely would have died if they never got free and no one searched after they went missing. Just a shit sandwich all around.
That detail reminds me of Saving Private Ryan with the Czech soldier surrendering saying "I'm not German, I'm Czech" and then getting killed while unarmed. No subtitles and a war crime which carried a different weight after knowing the translation.
The translation roughly translates to "Tonight your body will be separated from its blood" A chilling and specific threat of violence from a deep seated bottomless pit of hatred.
im a pushtun american, i saw the movie with my family in the theater when it came out. I remember thinking how much it would have been more impactful if they had subtitles for that line since only me and my family understood it
For the guys who are joining there are some great gems you'll find useful in this video. Especially about the mission brief break down. That was a great quick down and dirty explanation that people joining can use.
Damn good review guys, from a regular Navy vet (20 years). I love your breakdowns and style of doing so. I never saw any fast roping/door kicking/2-way range for the most part (2007 southern Iraq, rockets and mortars on the FOB, riots from detainees... Oh and 1 help crash in Laos 2010 JPAC mission). I was just, for the most part, a deep-water Navy man that saw a glimpse into some hot spots or danger. Respect to you all that went down the 2-way range.
Thank you for the after action review of this movie. Your comments based upon your own military service is awesome. I have also had a hard time getting in the right mindset to watch this great movie, but for a different and personal reason. Raised and lived in South Central Nebraska for most of my life, but I had the good fortune to attend a professional diving school in San Diego 1979-80. I got to dive many locations in Southern California, San Diego area from La Jolla, Point Loma, Mission Bay, Zuniga Jetty to the Mexican border and Cornado Islands, Mexico. I was also fortunate to have instructors who were former US Navy veterans with connections on Coronado. We used to dive during the day and then do nightly swim training at a local swim teams pool. We even had the chance to tour the US Navy BUDS/Seal training facility with a Seal who was one of our instructors in dive equipment repair and maintenance training. Really cool experience. Before the school had finished I was informed my mother had breast cancer, and my focus shifted to being with her and family as she started the long term chemotherapy process. (She was a strong woman and 25 year survivor of the cancer until being taken by a heart attack at age 68) After returning home I continued to love diving and used to take my equipment and do regular scuba training and familiarization events at the local public swimming pools. Where local patrons could get a hands on chance to try diving and maybe find interest in formal instruction and certification. I did this for almost 12 years when time and season would permit. I got many local kids and adults into diving over the years, who otherwise would have never had the chance to try it. Several of those that I saw years later remembered me and thanked me for giving them that opportunity. Another venture of mine was in outdoor sporting equipment and firearms/equipment sales and repair as a dealer for 13 years. During this time I joined the Nebraska Army National Guard an attended basic training and armor school at Ft. Knox, KY where I was trained as a tanker. I spent 3 years in tanks and 3 as 11C (infantry mortarman). Enlisted 1982, honorably discharged in 1988 after my 6 year enlistment was up. Living in a rural area of limited population you get to meet and know many of your neighbors and the counties families fairly well. Sometimes even their relatives when they are staying or visiting locally remember you from times past when stopping in to check out what sales and services a local merchant has to offer. Our county like so many others with lots of veterans and pride in those who served, wanted to honor servicemen with a local monument. So was born the Harlan County Nebraska Veterans Memorial, a miniature black wall located in the city park of the County seat in Alma, NE. I was honored when family members told me that they had reserved a space there to honor me for my military service, as well as my father an Air Force Veteran of the Korean war. We were joined by 5 more family members that are also were thanked for their service with mention on the monument too. First time I went to see the monument after completion was sort of overwhelming. I walked around it several times reading the names and dates of service of so many others who had served locally some KIA, MIA and many others still living that I knew personally. When I came to my name on the monument I paused and thought at first this was cool, but it hit me that many of those whose names where enshrined were no longer among the living and they had lost their lives in the service of the country. But my family and others reminded me this was to honor not just the fallen, but for all who had served with honor and came home alive as well. I looked again at my name and service information, and it was just sinking it that this should be be here when I too had passed on. I looked again at the memorial left, right, up down, others who had served the living and the deceased. Names I recognized and one of those names hit me hard, because it was one of the most recent of service members with family ties in the county who had given his life in service to our nation. I had met him a few times before and here next to my name was his. I had met him when he was in grade school and as teen. He had come back to Nebraska to stay with and visit family. I had let him use my SCUBA equipment when he was still in grade school at a local pool and later on when he had come back to go hunting with family and friends. He was one of the Seals who did not survive Operation Red Wing. Still not sure if I have the right to have my name next to his. But thank you for your service and sacrifice Danny. You will not be forgotten. SH
@@MarvoloSalazar thanks for your comments. I was trying to show the irony of the connection with the one of the individuals who was portrayed in the movie. Almost 30 years of separation, but in some ways we shared moments that brought us to be recognized on the memorial. Danny was from Colorado, but he had a large family footprint from the communities in our area. His grand parents and many other friends and relatives are what led to his ironic inclusion on the memorial meant for veterans from the county. I choose to remember him this way. Because I am not a family member or close friend of him.
@@scoots60 Danny went to my high school and we have a memorial for him and on the football team we do runs and hard workouts in respect for Danny Dietz
My wife and I saw this movie when it came and at the end everyone got up and left so silently. You could tell they were just speechless. I have never experienced this before in any movie. Just incredible.
Had the same experience in Saving Private Ryan and Black Hawk Down. Saw both in the theater--the latter after being in uniform for a little over a year. Great movies, but gave me very different perspectives on what happens or can happen. Two way shooting range is no joke. Not fun.
My Mom cried he she saw the movie. When I was a kid, she never cried in films. After this movie, something changed that, and she cries in movies now. It made quite an impact on her. Still mad at her for not taking me to see the movie I wanted to see that day. 😅
Awesome. Appreciated your insights into the Team Dynamic and what it's like when things get kinetic. It is an amazing story that will be told and retold long after we are gone and you guys are now part of that story because when someone looks it up they will also find your work.
The talk around *13:00* to *17:00* about the new guy intiation also made me realize that the embarrassing or demoralizing tasks they might mak you do, is for you to get comfortable with the environment you'll be in for the rest of your career alongside your comrades. I imagine in the SF, you'd have to be comfortable around your team enough to be naked in front of them and do the most embarrassing shit and not put yourself down for it, cause at the end of the day; when you're in that team and your in a mission gone FUBAR, you and your team's comradery is literally the only wall separating you from death or capture. Being naked or embarrassed is literally nothing when your getting shot at with rockets, artillery or any other weapon trying to shred you in pieces.
They nailed something that i've never seen in any other movie. When Danny the comms guy is shot up and starts asking questions at the top of his lungs. And when he notices the "vivid reds" because hes been checking out wallpaper colors all week. Or when he says "You mean they're faster than us? my mom didnt say anything about Hajis being faster..." That is absolutely authentic shock. "Hey Mikeeyyyyy!" SHUT THE FK UP!!!!!" amazing.
Yeah they also did a great job of showing the team screaming for one another while being overran by 7 Taliban. THIS JUST IN American superheroes are susceptible to gunshot wounds as are most lifeforms.
Another thing I liked about this movie, and its just a little thing, but ... when they are making the final approach to the village OP (19:40 of the review), the guys actually have some separation between them. I can't count the number of movies where the team lead says "let's move out, 5 metre spread" and then shows 5 guys about 2 ft apart
@@YOURMOMCALLSME It was a platoon sized enemy element. Definitely not 100 or 200 as some people posed initially. Don't know where you got 7 from. However, any person who thinks that American Operators are immune to death is typically a child or someone really young but has too much Call of Duty mindset. Which is why these movies are made...
@@JohnDoe-wt9ek yeah it was something like that by what I’ve heard, a platoon amount of enemies is probably the most accurate amount. Got this info from a google search but it was an estimated around 35 talibans were killed throughout the whole operation, so a platoon amount of them doesn’t seem that off.
Had to get up and walk out when watching it. Not even that hardcore, just a regular scout/sniper in the 101st, and I started remembering all of the times I was on an OP with people who are no longer here. Just hit too close to home.
Same here. 13 Hours is what I always put on as a default, and their breakdown of it popped up as a suggestion back in June. Two months later, I’ve read Sean’s book, cruised through all of these videos, and always look forward to new ones. Can’t say I always like what the algorithm offers up, but really glad I came across these. Always a great mix of insights and laughs; also love that they don’t take themselves super seriously but always treat the subject matter with the seriousness it deserves.
I can remember the first news report of the full casualty list of the CH-47 going down. I was gobsmacked at the collective rank and warrior experience lost in one second. The montage at the end of this movie crushes me every time. Much respect, gentlemen. #Army #Airborne
To anyone that hasn’t read the book lone survivor, I highly, highly, highly recommend it. I remember my dad buying me this book, the original copy, back in 2007. I was in 7th grade when I first read it, it changed my life. I remember tearing up while reading this in my bed at night, just imagining what these guys went through and all the other things the movie doesn’t talk about. I remember reading the part about Marcus and his brother wanting to become navy seals at a young age and getting trained by Billy Shelton, a guy who trained people to go into SF. This put a spark up my a** to possibly try out for buds one day, i swam competitively for 21 years, worked out almost every day, did long distance running events, triathlons, hunting, shooting and a few other sports being completely obsessed with being in peak performance/shape with the mindset of wanting to become a seal. Whenever I’d be competing in any of those sports and thought I was at my limit or thinking about quitting I would think about this story every single time, thinking about what these guys went through, it would motivate me more then anything else and allowed me to find that inner strength to keep going. My senior year of highschool where im in the absolute best shape of my life and looking into joining the navy when I graduate, of course out of no where I met my ex girlfriend who I ended up dating for 6.5 years. When you’re young like that and in love for the first time it will take control of your life and take a lot of the focus away from things you wanted to do. I told my self the summer before senior year I wouldn’t date any chicks that last year of highschool for that specific reason of not having someone to take your focus and attention away from a goal that had been set when i was in 7th grade. Life happens and we will do some crazy shi* for women, unfortunately i never fulfilled that goal I set. I don’t like to regret any decisions I’ve made but there is a part of me that does regret a few things. I was about to propose after 6.5 years until I was physically abused by her and got cheated on towards the end of the relationship. Moral of the story to any young men out there, stay single as long as you can and focus on your self after highschool, do everything you want to do and never let a women or relationship dictate your life, it may seem like the best thing in the world but it can fall apart faster then you can blink. Go read this book though, you could make 3 different movies out of the story it tells. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve read it, whenever I’m needing motivation I read the last half of the book, I have kept it on my bed shelf above my head since the day I got it. And to any fk faces out there that want to assume I’m a wannabe this or that, I can promise you I do not portray my self as something I’m not, I do not respect anyone who try’s to act or think they’re some bad ass secret squirrel hero. Nothing wrong with being young and reading something that has an impact on your life in a positive way. 🍻
So how old are you now ? Join now army rangers 75th regiment. Get the option 40 contract at sign up. I’m gonna lose the rest of my weight and and join. I’ve been putting everyone else life before mine and I’m done with it. I wanna love right and peruse my goal before I’m too old
Appreciate the mention of sleepless intel guys. I was a contractor in the S2 for Marines in Marjah B.I.T.D and very few people knew about the 28 hour days spent at the terminal, talking with local police, checking with coalition reps (Brits), briefing, then waiting for the mission to get back safe. I loved every minute and drank an irresponsible amount of coffee. Thank God for the piss tubes outside of the TOC.
One thing that’s pretty eye opening is that in all reality it was probably less than 10 hajis that actually took down the team. Marine assets and RRC (Ranger regiments tier 1 asset) had the area pretty well mapped out and who was there, it was about 10 dudes that killed that SEAL team. My Ranger platoon is the one that found him, (before my time though)and allegedly he had the majority of his mags still on him. Basically everyone knew this Op was a bad idea, the majority of SOF didn’t want to touch it, a large marine force was going to essentially clear the entire valley but instead SEALS decided at the last minute. After they got mopped up Rangers had to come in, start clearing the valley while RRC was in the area, called in air support and after the fact a Marine unit did end up having to clear it. Not a job for a small team, In all reality it should have been a two Ranger platoons with Air to move in and do what needed to be done, not a four man team.
Weren't they just reconning the area at first though? They had a dozen Marines on standby with QRF for when they did get eyes on the HVT. They just happened to come across the locals before the mission could take place which is what resulted in what it did
See, I’ve always seen a few holes in the story. But I’ve felt wrong for feeling that way because obviously I wasn’t there. But, just from different accounts, from the villager who saved Marcus especially, completely contradicts what he said happened. I really hate that there’s so many holes in the story. I really want to believe in everything he said happened, but based on the known information at hand, it’s pretty unlikely. I think Marcus witnessed his teammates get wounded, and he fled. There’s actually a Polaroid picture on the internet that one of the villagers took of Marcus while he was in the village. No visible damage, no substantial facial wounds, nothing. Looks completely fine.
@@LordB0NER no to dismiss your concerns cause I do agree but can't discount the facts documented from all the military doctors that operated on Marcus as well as the medics from the helicopter when they rescued him. The only thing I know the movie did different in that account was that he didn't flat line. But can't discard all the medical documentation form his broken back and tongue ect. Marucs did mention there was a point where he did break down mid fight and gave up. Which I'm a situation like that you really can't blame him. He's human after all. So even if he did run, he still tried his best to hang in there.
@@Nsands81 you’re right. When you think of a SEAL, or any special forces, you think of a warrior who takes it to the max. But at the end of they day, they really are just human like you and I. Appreciate the clarity on that. Are these medical documents available to the public? Or maybe a video you’ve seen detailing his injuries?
1:59 it's good to see the crew give a shoutout to Michael Bay's 13 Hours, that somehow got a fair amt of bad reviews, as former Army (96-00) POG i believed 13 to solid. LOL 3:40 about military banter!
29:00 - if they had let the older, slower guy go and tied up the others, it would have bought them more time for comms, extract, etc. Instead they let the faster teenager go. Just sayin'.
I remember at my first unit when I was a pfc, my buddy was an e5 with 2 deployments and I were drinking one night and I was talking about I hoped I get to go down range like he did. He said exactly what y’all said. Be careful what you wish for. I ended up going to Afghanistan down the road. We were lucky and didn’t lose anyone from my company but our eod truck was blown up on one of our missions and we lost some guys from the brigade. I think back to what he said and realize the gravity of what he meant. I didn’t lose any close friends like a lot of guy out there luckily, but wishing for combat brings on a whole host of things that you’ll have to live with for the rest of your life if you get to come home
Best war movie yes, also complete bullshit factually and anyone who was on the ground in the AO that day knows Luttrell is a fucking liar. God rest his teammates.
As a civilian, war, history buff and proud American, I stumbled upon your channel and can't thank you enough for your service and sacrifice !! I only watched this movie once, for reasons it's too tough to watch. My ignorance civilian mind wondered the same thing as to why our expertly trained SEALS couldn't do a better job of holding off and handling the enemy.... I completely understand it now through your explanation ! These types of movies and narratives should be taught more in schools !! Thanks for paving the way !!
Absolutely love watching your movies. Navy Vet. I was an aircraft director on aircraft carriers. I think you both should have shown when the new guy, Petty Officer Paton, was saying the SEAL Creed. I think it would have made sense to the viewers who are not vet understand that right of passage. Just my thought. Anyways, awesome job as always.
Thank you Men for your reviews. The civilian pop will never understand the military environment, without feedback exactly such as yours. Thankyou. It's a pleasure watching your guys.
You guys are my heroes especially with what's going on with the world right now and being a civilian it's actually kinda scary but I get strength from you guys I love your channel you guys tell it like it is and I'm glad to be in ear shot of your knowledge
I've never heard the story that the Apaches got pulled off this QRF mission. I've always heard that they outran the Apaches in the Chinook. Because the Chinook is faster and they wanted to get on the ground ASAP. I believe one of the pilots wrote the book and talked about this.
They got pulled off to support another fire fight... As nobody expected an OP to come under attack. I mean really what were the chances... Just bad luck. Way I see it. Just the Taliban's day..
In the Lone Survivor book it says the Apache gunships responded to calls for air support due to US Army in a tic. I don't know much about the airspeed of an Apache compared to a Chinook but now I'm curious.
@@patronsaintofswitchbladefi2944 Air speed had nothing to do with it. As they still would have needed to return, refuel and rearm...That takes 1-2 hours at best.. Just bad luck. As even an blind squirrel gets lucky and finds a nut...
You can always say your gonna do things but you’ll never know until your in that situation but in heinsight it would have been best to make sure you had comms and a QRF on the way to the summit once your bird is 5 mins out you go and cut them loose until then they are a risk to everyone
Finally the movie i'd been waiting for you guys to review. Btw I absolutely love it when Buck gets sidetracked w/ details of how it works in the real teams like when he explained who plans what for the ops.
What I found interesting is the interviews with the people in the town said everyone knew they were there regardless of the goat herders. They all hers the helicopter and found the ropes
there were no goat herders. They came in with the loudest helicopters the military has and they were seen and ambushed within an hour. Read the reports, this op was a failure to begin with.. Was supposed to be a marine recon team that had experience in the terrain. They sent the 4 least experienced guys, include not much combat experience. The body count of Taliban fighters was over exaggerated, there were about a dozen from the looks of their home videos that show the bodies of Dietz and Murphy.
SEALs poorly planned and got their asses handed to them by backwoods farmers. Navy ran PR cover for their SOF golden boys by making sure a heroic official account was published and a Medal of Honor awarded. Just like Takur Ghar this op was a shitshow.
They heard them fly in during the night but waited until morning to go look for them, yeah they did find the fast ropes which weren't hidden very well an followed the boot prints, there were goat herders the Tali had eyes on them an waited for them to cut them loose before attacking. An yeah they only had like maybe 12 dudes but having the high ground interlocking fields of fire and possibly a mortar as well as rpg it was doomed from go. There was a reason the marines didn't want to touch the mission, the area was just a nightmare to deal with
I love you guys my dad was a seal from 68 to 72 with 3 tours In Vietnam he never talked about it while I was growing up and I feel like the only reason he made it so many tours was because of him being with the most elite in the world
I love this movie and you guys are hilarious. When he says the “time card” line, one of his battle buddies whispers, “DOOOO ITT!” @32:56… 😂😂😂 HILARIOUS!
I read the after action PowerPoint for this operation and sometimes you just have bad luck. Remember this was also 2005 and like Buck mentioned, assets were being pulled all over the place so its not like when I was there as a small UAS pilot supporting SOF and they got dedicated platforms. That being said, I saw an entire family (minus the males who were farming) walking on a 8,000ft ridge line carrying goods from the market a few valleys over. It's normal for the people in the NE part of Afghanistan to do high altitude endurance activities just to resupply their homes. To our forces, we were high up in Indian country but to them we're just in their backyard.
@@kxkxkxkx not to mention they bitched and moaned to get that mission that was originally supposed to be handled by a larger SF element. Like this was a failure from the moment they were given the mission.
This opp didnt fail just because bad luck, from everything that I have read, it was very poorly planned. That is why you cant say it was just bad luck, then you do not learn from their mistakes. At the end of the day, SOF are human beings that make mistakes too. Out of all the successful missions to only have one end like this says everything that needs to be said.
I watched this at the theatre. After the ending credits you could hear a pin drop. When everyone exited the theatre, people were looking down and not making eye contact with one another. We were all fighting back tears. I watched it again as soon as it came out on PPV, this time I cried like a bitch.
Not like a bitch. We witnessed a real life and death struggle of our best warriors against impossible odds. I love dis movie but it's still hard for me to watch. I'm a 8 yr army veteran. 3 tours
Dan Bizlerian actually financed part of the movie. He sued the producers later because he said his screen time wasn't as much as he was promised. Also Don Shipley did an episode on Dan which was actually very sympathetic towards him.
I don't think it was as sympathetic as it was, this guy never had the personality to be a SEAL due to narcissistic traits, but can succeed elsewhere. Just facts, no sympathy.
@@kyletaylor3860 Ego's yes, narcissists NO. That shit will be exposed in BUD/S as it was for Dan. Above all else, a Seal is a team player, and narcissistics aren't team players.
24:00 Why couldn't they zip tie the two guys together, facing each other, and leave? They could still get down the mountain and it would slow them down enough for the SEALS to get out of there.
We did a ridge crawl in Hawaii a long, long time ago, what looked like a 30 minute hike ended up 4 hours later and less than 1000 meters from where we started. Garbage! I love/hated that tour. Salute to those past and present. All the best to you and yours. Cheers.
When they got to the what-to-do part of the movie my first thought was tie them up multiple times over and hand one a sharp rock that'd take 3 or 4 hours to slowly cut through. That plus the time for the them to untie the rest and run down the mountain would have given them a great start
@@maldad9073 I figured with that much life experience he'd know to release the kids first and he'd have the best chance of getting through the bindings fastest, but yeah, same concept!
Those men, everyone of them are heros of the highest caliber of warriors. May the all rest in peace. From Marcus Luttrell team to seals to SF to delta to all forces who have fought for their brothers sisters country and those who are innocent.
Im curious what you think of all the conflicting reports. Many involved in the rescue said the Taliban force was magnitudes smaller that what Marcus claims. The book says hundreds while other special forces guys say it was more like 10-20. The Afghan who rescued Marcus also says he lied about certain aspects. I know they also said Marcus had all his magazines still full on him when rescued indicating he didnt fire many bullets. Either way a compelling and heartbreaking story
theres a video of all this going down to my understanding. if the video is real it was like a single weapons squad with PKMs and RPGs still severely outgunned but still to lie about it is sketch
In one of the videos that the taliban was captuing you can see one of the guys having all the mags left in he's pouches which indicates that he did not fire more then 30 rounds.
Episode two of suggesting the "escape from tarkov raid series" which is about an hour and a half, in both russian and english (with subtitles) and focuses on the violent intensity of combat while developing a very interesting story.
Honestly the OPORD process that they breakdown should be a lesson for every new PL or leader. Detailed and memorable. People spend years mastering good op orders and these actors did it in a couple of months.
Just recently found your channel and Damn!!! You guys are on it. As a veteran myself (90-96), your input is spot on for those that don't know. As you are aware, at 2:55 in your video, the battle dog in the middle is actually Marcus Luttrell. He was on set the entire film to make sure that it was as real to life as a film can be. He even advised so far as to say things like "Mike Murphy would never wear his com in that position, he wore it like this". Love the videos gentleman! New subscriber
18 seconds in and I get to where you say "you can't just throw out lone survivor" and I suddenly realized that you were 100% right and I honestly feel bad for requesting it without even considering that thought.
If you're considering TV shows for Beers and Breakdowns, then I would really recommend the Mayor of Kingstown. The show it self is pretty good, imo, but there's some scenes intermixed in the season with some SWAT taking action and even the National Guard. Love the videos!
I appreciate your time and insights into these films. I wasn't allowed to join because my spine shattered in a few places but I have the greatest respect and gratitude for every single person who has ever served our country. Thank you for the recommendation of 13 hours.
This review is definitely worth the wait for me. To be honest though, first time watching it myself, from the beginning to the end, it’s really hard for me to watch, just by seeing your friends being with you after having fun with stuff together on the base, then they’re not with you anymore as soon as shit hits the fan and things go wrong in an operation. Thank you Buck and Kurt for being able to do this review and breakdown of Lone Survivor, I’m glad you’re both able to take your time, considering how the movie realistically depicted the entire operation (though I understand that some things are changed up to not being so obvious to the baddies).
Yooh my old manager was in the rescue operation he was a Ranger, showed me pictures of his time, great lad he suffers from minor ptsd and has major back problems from parachuting. Wonderful boss im glad he's able to just spend time with his daughter and wife now in peace
I remember watching this in theaters with a high school friend at the time. We left the theater quietly just like everyone else, eyes down and no words. When we got to the parking lot I asked him “How did you feel about that?” And he said “It makes me wanna sign up and go fight!” He never signed up but I want to. I just need to waiver a disability and asthma.
There were rumors going around that Marcus lied about some of that stuff. And how they actually went in pretty light in terms of equipment. And I guess the Rangers that went in afterwards were saying that there couldn’t have been more than 20 dudes. Idk it’s just what I’ve heard
Yes but the intel brief said 80-200 enemy forces were in the area. When you take contact from the 20 people you can't stop to count you don't go. Ah probably not 200 we can take em. Also he clearly grabbed his guys mags when they fell. No one is carrying 11 mags on them lol. You toss the empy and keep the full. PPL are stupid and clearly can't do 2+2
Just rewatching after the anti hero podcast on this story. Hearin that Lutrelle still had a basically a full load out of ammo and a lot of other false info. Still a great movie but sad to knw so many lives were lost in a complete fubar of a mission. Rip to all the fallen warriors! God bless
Eh, it was their fault. Read Victory Point by Ed Darrak. The planning was flawed, the Seals(from an SDV team no less) were misused, and they made awful mistakes. Murphy refused to listen to more experienced guys who told him to take better coms. When they inserted, they didn’t hide the fast rope, and were immediately tracked. Murphy chose an OP that was 1/4th a kilometer away from a well known trail, and led the team down a gultch that was a kill zone that could not be escaped. The goat herders didn’t compromise them. The insurgents had already spotted them and were watching them during that incident. There was also zero thought about killing them. According to Gulab, the engagement only lasted 45 minutes, not hours. Marcus lied about a lot. His injuries(which were shown to be not factual in pictures, and from witnesses ) turned out to be exaggerated. Rangers who were there even said his injuries didn’t line up. There were also only 7 insurgents, and none of them were killed in the engagement(though one received a susperficial injury).
DoD trying to put a positive spin on all those men getting kill by spinning a hero/survival story. Gulab also said marcus was found with most if not all his ammunition. My speculation, the team got caught in a close ambush and marcus booked it.
Navy needed to put positive PR for the SEALs. Op Red Wings just showed that if you don't adequately prep and plan. Even 15 highly trained Navy SEALs can be sent to their graves by backwoods farmers before they could even adequately fire back.
I tell everyone that wants to know what taking contact is really like I point them to this movie. Like you touched on there is no heroics, there is no fancy music, no slow motion movement (even though sometimes it feels like that.) and honestly all you see is muzzle flash and the ground just looking like random poofs of dirt just popping all around you, and all you hear is maneuvers being called out and enemy positions being called. it's a really great movie. it's one of the select few that I stay away from honestly, and another one being Black Hawk Down. I am glad there are other guys out there that share the same view points! great B and B!
While this is an entertaining movie, I wouldn't exactly call it it realistic (although probably for the best) It was supposed to be a joint force mission with a much larger footprint but was passed on after seeing the available Intel and terrain by the Army unit,, This was a SDV (mini SEAL submarine) crew who only one of which had real recce experience that decided to go ahead with the mission because the SEALs were mission hungry early in the GWOT to be able to become a ground element within SOCOM (Then JSOC) which made for multiple bad mission decisions early on including this one by the SEALs... They were compromised from the drop zone and followed the next morning from the rope along their boot trail to their exposed observation point, the goat boy was not important to the ambush... Also most of the footage that you don't wanna see of the ambush aftermath shows evidence of a rather swift well planned attack by about 8-12 taliban(who even took the time to carry up their 90's VHS camera for the battle) I won't get into the recovered gear of the living and deceased shown on video and described by the Rangers and Special Forces involved in the rescue and recovery, but there was not much of a gunfight, atleast not 2 ways. Yes many of those Taliban were killed, but it was several days later with guided munitions. To be fair if my friends died due to terrible planning I'd probably also stretch the shiiiiiiiit out of that truth to make them look great. Although the satcom phone from an exposed position apparently did happen, according to GPS data and the award citation. More details are even more convoluted unless you know someone personally involved after the success of the book, movie, and Marcus Luttrell... maybe that's the best for the families and SEAL recruitment, but this movie and the book are NOT documentaries.
This channel, is just a money gauging machine. They are here for revenue purposes, not the truth. The first couple of minutes of this video is a contradiction. They initially stated it was going to be a movie review but then started glamorizing the movie’s action ma as if they were facts. On a separate note, the Marine Corps took care of those fighters in Operation Whalers. Also if I recall correctly, they weren’t Taliban. They were part of the Haqanni Network. Im unsubscribing from this channel.
@@Lifechanging99999 I think the Marines were also involved in some of the previous mission planning for that target but also dropped it due to obvious oversights and insurmountable obstacles with their available assets... Although that is just something I heard, I've also heard the info you mentioned, but don't know any Marines closely involved with those operations or other Marines that were actually on them, so I'm still not 100% on that part... Tough to find details on this one unless you know someone personally... Kinda like how atleast 3 different SEALs were the ONE that killed Bin Laden 🤦♂️ as former SEAL (including team6/devgru/gold squadron) Andy Stumpf says "Every SEAL book should be in the fiction section at the bookstore" he knows... 😂
As an ex soldier I could tell straight away the combat scenes were unrealistic. No way you gonna identify targets and accurately shoot while running down a slope like that
I've always enjoyed this series. Keep up the good work. I was in the navy, but I don't know shit about combat, or SF or SEALs but I've never understood why not leave two people to watch the prisoners and send the other two to make comms? Is that a bad idea? Or is there some rule that you can't split up the team?
Yeah it would be a Bad idea & they’re a team , 1 is never to be left behind yet alone 2 especially on a mission like this. Honestly the only other decision would’ve been to just tie them up for the sake of the time it took to get to the top of the mountain.
What they should have done per LOAC and Geneva, zip tie/detain both of the goat herders and bring them will you and call for extract. Once the bird arrives and the team is preparing to leave, cut the zip ties and leave them unharmed.
It would have been a very bad idea cuz it was only a 4 man SR team of 4 SEALs if 2 of them split up and if they got into contact it would be worse than it already was and it’s not safe, maybe if it’s a platoon of 16 SEALs, that would be a different story but not a 4 man team
Marcus having 11 full magazines was said by Mohammad Gulab, not the Rangers. Can't really confirm how much ammunition Luttrell had but we can confirm that he did not suffer the serious injuries he claimed he did.
I saw a comment somewhere that said he actually had one mag with 11 rounds. The commenter claimed this was backed up by someone who was involved in the rescue, on another podcast called Team Never Quit. I haven't watched it so I can't confirm.
FNG, I appreciate the shoot out.. you guys are awesome keep up the good work. Those hats have been through hell and back.
Of course bro!
@@FNGACADEMY can't wait to get my ruck trainer thanks
Yeah Kunar/ Korangal Valley. Everytime that white smoke went up WITHOUT AIR SUPPORT.
(FOB Wright 12-13 (143/173rd)
THANKS FOR THIS ONE GUYS!
did you do 13 hours already
@@Jahmai32 facts
I'm sure this sounds weird to many but this movie created a breaking point for me. About 18 months before the movie came out I had gotten back from Af-crap-istan which was a pretty tough deployment. I hadn't dealt with all the emotional things yet and six months before the movie came out I left the Army. I had read the book but when I saw this movie with my wife I was immediately swept back to deployment and being with my brothers. When the Chinook goes down I lost it. All of that stuff finally came out and I was balling my eyes out. I had to finish the movie of course but as soon as it was over I called up a couple of my good buddies and we chatted for a bit. Don't know exactly why it all happened but it did, and it was such a relief for not only me, but my wife who was dying to have me open up to her. Such a great movie and tribute to those guys.
I was an 0331 in the Marines and was part of RCT-1 in the Battle of Fallujah. I never really experienced PTSD as I’ve always been good at compartmentalizing traumatic experiences and basically all aspects of my life. I have a buddy I served with who is still struggling with everything and kinda gives me grief that I don’t, even though we went through the exact same things. I tell him I don’t know man, my brain is just wired differently and has some weird block in there that most don’t have. When I seen this movie I was amazed how realistic that shoot out scene was it played out in almost slow motion like real fire fights do, as adrenaline spikes help you hone in and concentrate on the present moment, at least for me it did. That said hope all is well with you and you’re doing well. Never got to experience Afghanistan, just the dirty dusty deserts and slums of Iraq.
The end credits were super emotional.
Thank you for your Sacrifice and your families. Not much more I can say. ❤🙏🏽🇺🇸
Glad you’re ok and that you reached out brother! It def gets fucking tough at times, but we have brothers and need to always lean on each other.
@@NickMcRyan great talking about compartmentalization of emotion and memory. That’s served me very well. There are a few instances that push me outside of that comfort zone and it gets tough, but it helps me recenter myself. The biggest part is the network we all have and that we ALL continue to embrace the suck together.
I was just regular Army infantry, and this movie really shook me when I saw it. All the things you talk about with how they got the banter, the terminology, and the attitudes right, I felt like these were the same guys I knew and served with. The whole attitude of “if we can just get on level ground, we can take ‘em,” really got me. I only watched it once, because it was a very tough watch for me. Far more so than any other movie I can think of.
Dude me too I was a 12B over there and how they got the talk and even the tents it was like being back there with my guys. I only watched it once too, great movie it’s in my library.
I totally agree with dis statement. I'm not gonna lie, I she'd a few tears watching dis
11Bs are hardly "regular infantry" bro. You idiots are elite.
@@walterbobbittii4124 There is NO SHAME in Crying, it's a healing release valve sometimes, NO SHAME in being a Loving Human Being. Hugs!
i guess my guys having this as our AO years before was calling bs start to finish, i grasp how people get caught up in the movie and make this hero story and lose sight of the reality of operations
I’m a 60 year old retired Submarine Chief. Love what you guys are doing, keep it up!
As a note, the banter and hierarchy was a part of the Submarine community when I was on the Boats as well. Couldn’t agree more. All too often, movies get it wrong. And not everything is “hazing”. Testing your mettle and earning a spot at the table with other men in a select organization is how men are made.
Thank You for your service, thanks to your family, loved ones and friends for supporting your service. Submariner is a Rare Breed. LOVE.
Talk about a job I’d never be able to do.
Boots on the ground sounds a lot better to me than in a tin can in the ocean.
Woof, that sounds like a nightmare.
Thank you for your service, you guys don’t get nearly enough credit.
Bilzerian was in the movie because he was one of the investors in getting it made. He ended up suing them because one of the stipulations of the investment was that he was guaranteed a certain amount of screen time in the movie, and they cut most of his scenes by the final edit.
Sounds like classic Bilzerian.
Good he should not be in it.
He's a fraud
@@simontide6780 so is the whole movie 💯
@Sahir Damani Don't insult Pogs like that. He's less than them
He was doing the Napoleon Dynamite dance. Tbe real life guy he portrayed was from my home town, Boulder City. His dad was a SEAL too. Such a hard loss.
I ended up meeting and becoming very good friends with the father of one of the Seals who was on that chopper that was shot down. After years of knowing him and him talking to me about the man his son was, it made me wish I could have met his son while he was alive. Unfortunately, this friend I had passed away a couple of years ago but the one thing that made his death bearable, was the fact I knew he was with his son again. For the time that I knew him, I know not a day went by, where his heart wasn't broken about the loss of his son and the guys on his team. Every year on the anniversary of this mission, I always hung out with him just so he didn't have to be alone, and so that he knew other people knew about the hero his son was. I'll definitely miss him.
God bless brotha. You're a hero in your own regards, you probably have no idea the impact you made in that mans life, just being a supportive friend.
THO' they can never be replaced, you were a surrogate for his boy and received the knowledge he couldn't pass on to his boy. NOW you can pay it forward by passing the wisdom he gave you onto others. 🖖
🍻cheers.
Rest in peace ❤❤❤❤
@@ciphergamingsouthafrica8502 this is not content for children, go back to youtube kids please
Thanks!
A drink for the guys.
I absolutely loved this movie. To know that actual SEALs had a large hand in training these actors to "get it right", speaks volumes to the validity of this epic movie. As an Army LRSD member who worked in 5-6-man teams, I can understand the "wired tight" mentality. When I first saw the movie, I understood how things could go south quickly. I probably would have zip tied the hands and legs of the young men to the elderly man, causing them to have to move very slowly to the Tally below. That may have given our team sufficient time to affect a successful exfil. Shout out to Marcus Luttrell, the Navy SEALs, all SFG (A), 75th RR, USMC Recon and veterans of all branches. RLTW! AATW! Great channel my big brothers of FNG Academy!!
Having seen the clip from Africa where the Green Berets were killed just recently, and now finding out you knew one of the men involved, it just really drives home the reality of what our soldiers go through. Much condolences and respect to you all. RIP.
yeah that was crazy it pissed me off
well ... that happens when you step into other country with a gun in your hand....
My grandfather was was in Japan for WW2 and I remember him telling stories of the Japanese sending waves of villagers armed with farm tools like pitchforks and swords by the hordes and the tactic was for you to waste all your ammo on them so not to get chopped up and then they would send the regular Japanese solder's armed with firepower to finish you off. He would sometimes fall into flashbacks and think he was still there fighting. Must have been brutal my salutes and respect to the veterans
Wow crazy
You guys nailed it talking about the dance and what hazing really means. Good job brothers.
Seal hazing means sucking d!CK in Key West LOL 💯
Thank you guys for your content and for your service. I was in Iraq in 2003 as a Heavy Construction Equipment Operator working on the IPDS. I can’t thank all the combative MOS’s enough for the security that was provided for us (too much support to mention individually). Having folks like you watch our backs made it a lot easier to get our job done.
As an afghan veteran I will remember this movie forever. May this warriors RIP.
cool pick up on what the old guy said to them. they never show the translation so I too always believed he kinda thanked them for not killing them. "you will all die tonight"..is not what I expected. Great pick up boys, makes it even more intense. Ive seen this movie like 20 times.
29:00 - if they had let the older, slower guy go and tied up the others, it would have bought them more time for comms, extract, etc. Instead they let the faster teenager go. Just sayin'.
@@wilson2455 the old man could have also circled back like 5 min later too. Tying them both up did seem like the middle ground option but they likely would have died if they never got free and no one searched after they went missing. Just a shit sandwich all around.
That detail reminds me of Saving Private Ryan with the Czech soldier surrendering saying "I'm not German, I'm Czech" and then getting killed while unarmed. No subtitles and a war crime which carried a different weight after knowing the translation.
The translation roughly translates to "Tonight your body will be separated from its blood"
A chilling and specific threat of violence from a deep seated bottomless pit of hatred.
im a pushtun american, i saw the movie with my family in the theater when it came out. I remember thinking how much it would have been more impactful if they had subtitles for that line since only me and my family understood it
I was in RC South during Op. Red Wings. We got daily intel briefs, on the situation, it was heart wrenching. Thanks for covering this movie Brothers.
For the guys who are joining there are some great gems you'll find useful in this video. Especially about the mission brief break down. That was a great quick down and dirty explanation that people joining can use.
Damn good review guys, from a regular Navy vet (20 years). I love your breakdowns and style of doing so. I never saw any fast roping/door kicking/2-way range for the most part (2007 southern Iraq, rockets and mortars on the FOB, riots from detainees... Oh and 1 help crash in Laos 2010 JPAC mission). I was just, for the most part, a deep-water Navy man that saw a glimpse into some hot spots or danger. Respect to you all that went down the 2-way range.
Thank you for the after action review of this movie. Your comments based upon your own military service is awesome. I have also had a hard time getting in the right mindset to watch this great movie, but for a different and personal reason. Raised and lived in South Central Nebraska for most of my life, but I had the good fortune to attend a professional diving school in San Diego 1979-80. I got to dive many locations in Southern California, San Diego area from La Jolla, Point Loma, Mission Bay, Zuniga Jetty to the Mexican border and Cornado Islands, Mexico. I was also fortunate to have instructors who were former US Navy veterans with connections on Coronado. We used to dive during the day and then do nightly swim training at a local swim teams pool. We even had the chance to tour the US Navy BUDS/Seal training facility with a Seal who was one of our instructors in dive equipment repair and maintenance training. Really cool experience. Before the school had finished I was informed my mother had breast cancer, and my focus shifted to being with her and family as she started the long term chemotherapy process. (She was a strong woman and 25 year survivor of the cancer until being taken by a heart attack at age 68) After returning home I continued to love diving and used to take my equipment and do regular scuba training and familiarization events at the local public swimming pools. Where local patrons could get a hands on chance to try diving and maybe find interest in formal instruction and certification. I did this for almost 12 years when time and season would permit. I got many local kids and adults into diving over the years, who otherwise would have never had the chance to try it. Several of those that I saw years later remembered me and thanked me for giving them that opportunity. Another venture of mine was in outdoor sporting equipment and firearms/equipment sales and repair as a dealer for 13 years. During this time I joined the Nebraska Army National Guard an attended basic training and armor school at Ft. Knox, KY where I was trained as a tanker. I spent 3 years in tanks and 3 as 11C (infantry mortarman). Enlisted 1982, honorably discharged in 1988 after my 6 year enlistment was up. Living in a rural area of limited population you get to meet and know many of your neighbors and the counties families fairly well. Sometimes even their relatives when they are staying or visiting locally remember you from times past when stopping in to check out what sales and services a local merchant has to offer. Our county like so many others with lots of veterans and pride in those who served, wanted to honor servicemen with a local monument. So was born the Harlan County Nebraska Veterans Memorial, a miniature black wall located in the city park of the County seat in Alma, NE. I was honored when family members told me that they had reserved a space there to honor me for my military service, as well as my father an Air Force Veteran of the Korean war. We were joined by 5 more family members that are also were thanked for their service with mention on the monument too. First time I went to see the monument after completion was sort of overwhelming. I walked around it several times reading the names and dates of service of so many others who had served locally some KIA, MIA and many others still living that I knew personally. When I came to my name on the monument I paused and thought at first this was cool, but it hit me that many of those whose names where enshrined were no longer among the living and they had lost their lives in the service of the country. But my family and others reminded me this was to honor not just the fallen, but for all who had served with honor and came home alive as well. I looked again at my name and service information, and it was just sinking it that this should be be here when I too had passed on. I looked again at the memorial left, right, up down, others who had served the living and the deceased. Names I recognized and one of those names hit me hard, because it was one of the most recent of service members with family ties in the county who had given his life in service to our nation. I had met him a few times before and here next to my name was his. I had met him when he was in grade school and as teen. He had come back to Nebraska to stay with and visit family. I had let him use my SCUBA equipment when he was still in grade school at a local pool and later on when he had come back to go hunting with family and friends. He was one of the Seals who did not survive Operation Red Wing. Still not sure if I have the right to have my name next to his. But thank you for your service and sacrifice Danny. You will not be forgotten. SH
My guy, paragraphs... this was really hard to follow despite it being quite interesting
@@MarvoloSalazar thanks for your comments. I was trying to show the irony of the connection with the one of the individuals who was portrayed in the movie. Almost 30 years of separation, but in some ways we shared moments that brought us to be recognized on the memorial. Danny was from Colorado, but he had a large family footprint from the communities in our area. His grand parents and many other friends and relatives are what led to his ironic inclusion on the memorial meant for veterans from the county. I choose to remember him this way. Because I am not a family member or close friend of him.
I swear people will take any opportunity to talk extensively about themselves
@@scoots60 Danny went to my high school and we have a memorial for him and on the football team we do runs and hard workouts in respect for Danny Dietz
Damn I wish this video was longer. I know y’all were just starting to feel that buzz 😂 and I could’ve listened to this all damn day
Worth the wait, definitely worth the extra thought and effort.
My wife and I saw this movie when it came and at the end everyone got up and left so silently. You could tell they were just speechless. I have never experienced this before in any movie. Just incredible.
Had the same experience in Saving Private Ryan and Black Hawk Down. Saw both in the theater--the latter after being in uniform for a little over a year. Great movies, but gave me very different perspectives on what happens or can happen. Two way shooting range is no joke. Not fun.
@@juliom6255 hope you're doing good brother.
Same thing at American Sniper
My Mom cried he she saw the movie. When I was a kid, she never cried in films. After this movie, something changed that, and she cries in movies now. It made quite an impact on her. Still mad at her for not taking me to see the movie I wanted to see that day. 😅
Watch Only the Brave....wild ending
Awesome. Appreciated your insights into the Team Dynamic and what it's like when things get kinetic. It is an amazing story that will be told and retold long after we are gone and you guys are now part of that story because when someone looks it up they will also find your work.
The talk around *13:00* to *17:00* about the new guy intiation also made me realize that the embarrassing or demoralizing tasks they might mak you do, is for you to get comfortable with the environment you'll be in for the rest of your career alongside your comrades. I imagine in the SF, you'd have to be comfortable around your team enough to be naked in front of them and do the most embarrassing shit and not put yourself down for it, cause at the end of the day; when you're in that team and your in a mission gone FUBAR, you and your team's comradery is literally the only wall separating you from death or capture. Being naked or embarrassed is literally nothing when your getting shot at with rockets, artillery or any other weapon trying to shred you in pieces.
They nailed something that i've never seen in any other movie. When Danny the comms guy is shot up and starts asking questions at the top of his lungs. And when he notices the "vivid reds" because hes been checking out wallpaper colors all week. Or when he says "You mean they're faster than us? my mom didnt say anything about Hajis being faster..." That is absolutely authentic shock. "Hey Mikeeyyyyy!" SHUT THE FK UP!!!!!" amazing.
Yeah they also did a great job of showing the team screaming for one another while being overran by 7 Taliban. THIS JUST IN American superheroes are susceptible to gunshot wounds as are most lifeforms.
Another thing I liked about this movie, and its just a little thing, but ... when they are making the final approach to the village OP (19:40 of the review), the guys actually have some separation between them. I can't count the number of movies where the team lead says "let's move out, 5 metre spread" and then shows 5 guys about 2 ft apart
@@YOURMOMCALLSME It was a platoon sized enemy element. Definitely not 100 or 200 as some people posed initially.
Don't know where you got 7 from.
However, any person who thinks that American Operators are immune to death is typically a child or someone really young but has too much Call of Duty mindset.
Which is why these movies are made...
@@JohnDoe-wt9ek yeah it was something like that by what I’ve heard, a platoon amount of enemies is probably the most accurate amount. Got this info from a google search but it was an estimated around 35 talibans were killed throughout the whole operation, so a platoon amount of them doesn’t seem that off.
@@JohnDoe-wt9ek thank you.
Had to get up and walk out when watching it. Not even that hardcore, just a regular scout/sniper in the 101st, and I started remembering all of the times I was on an OP with people who are no longer here. Just hit too close to home.
Air support was such an important asset. Even as a show of force, it was always nice to know they were up above
7:40 execution checklist - can be phase line driven. VERY important information for aviation and indirect gunfire.
You guys are awesome! Binge watched this channel all month such great chemistry and comedy. Cheer fellas! Thanks for the inspiration
Thanks man!
@@FNGACADEMY can't wait to get ruck trainer, thank you
Same here. 13 Hours is what I always put on as a default, and their breakdown of it popped up as a suggestion back in June. Two months later, I’ve read Sean’s book, cruised through all of these videos, and always look forward to new ones. Can’t say I always like what the algorithm offers up, but really glad I came across these. Always a great mix of insights and laughs; also love that they don’t take themselves super seriously but always treat the subject matter with the seriousness it deserves.
I can remember the first news report of the full casualty list of the CH-47 going down. I was gobsmacked at the collective rank and warrior experience lost in one second. The montage at the end of this movie crushes me every time. Much respect, gentlemen. #Army #Airborne
One of my favorite series on TH-cam! Love your work
To anyone that hasn’t read the book lone survivor, I highly, highly, highly recommend it. I remember my dad buying me this book, the original copy, back in 2007. I was in 7th grade when I first read it, it changed my life. I remember tearing up while reading this in my bed at night, just imagining what these guys went through and all the other things the movie doesn’t talk about. I remember reading the part about Marcus and his brother wanting to become navy seals at a young age and getting trained by Billy Shelton, a guy who trained people to go into SF. This put a spark up my a** to possibly try out for buds one day, i swam competitively for 21 years, worked out almost every day, did long distance running events, triathlons, hunting, shooting and a few other sports being completely obsessed with being in peak performance/shape with the mindset of wanting to become a seal. Whenever I’d be competing in any of those sports and thought I was at my limit or thinking about quitting I would think about this story every single time, thinking about what these guys went through, it would motivate me more then anything else and allowed me to find that inner strength to keep going. My senior year of highschool where im in the absolute best shape of my life and looking into joining the navy when I graduate, of course out of no where I met my ex girlfriend who I ended up dating for 6.5 years. When you’re young like that and in love for the first time it will take control of your life and take a lot of the focus away from things you wanted to do. I told my self the summer before senior year I wouldn’t date any chicks that last year of highschool for that specific reason of not having someone to take your focus and attention away from a goal that had been set when i was in 7th grade. Life happens and we will do some crazy shi* for women, unfortunately i never fulfilled that goal I set. I don’t like to regret any decisions I’ve made but there is a part of me that does regret a few things. I was about to propose after 6.5 years until I was physically abused by her and got cheated on towards the end of the relationship. Moral of the story to any young men out there, stay single as long as you can and focus on your self after highschool, do everything you want to do and never let a women or relationship dictate your life, it may seem like the best thing in the world but it can fall apart faster then you can blink. Go read this book though, you could make 3 different movies out of the story it tells. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve read it, whenever I’m needing motivation I read the last half of the book, I have kept it on my bed shelf above my head since the day I got it. And to any fk faces out there that want to assume I’m a wannabe this or that, I can promise you I do not portray my self as something I’m not, I do not respect anyone who try’s to act or think they’re some bad ass secret squirrel hero. Nothing wrong with being young and reading something that has an impact on your life in a positive way. 🍻
Essentially, this is just excellent advice. Thank you for sharing man.
This is dope
Brian Marx gave me new motivation
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I appreciate the review.
You answered a question that was always on my mind when the team let the villagers go back down the mountain.
Hey , just wanted to say how much I appreciate you guys thank you so much for your service to this country.
Appreciate the mention of sleepless intel guys. I was a contractor in the S2 for Marines in Marjah B.I.T.D and very few people knew about the 28 hour days spent at the terminal, talking with local police, checking with coalition reps (Brits), briefing, then waiting for the mission to get back safe. I loved every minute and drank an irresponsible amount of coffee. Thank God for the piss tubes outside of the TOC.
One thing that’s pretty eye opening is that in all reality it was probably less than 10 hajis that actually took down the team. Marine assets and RRC (Ranger regiments tier 1 asset) had the area pretty well mapped out and who was there, it was about 10 dudes that killed that SEAL team. My Ranger platoon is the one that found him, (before my time though)and allegedly he had the majority of his mags still on him.
Basically everyone knew this Op was a bad idea, the majority of SOF didn’t want to touch it, a large marine force was going to essentially clear the entire valley but instead SEALS decided at the last minute. After they got mopped up Rangers had to come in, start clearing the valley while RRC was in the area, called in air support and after the fact a Marine unit did end up having to clear it. Not a job for a small team, In all reality it should have been a two Ranger platoons with Air to move in and do what needed to be done, not a four man team.
Weren't they just reconning the area at first though? They had a dozen Marines on standby with QRF for when they did get eyes on the HVT. They just happened to come across the locals before the mission could take place which is what resulted in what it did
See, I’ve always seen a few holes in the story. But I’ve felt wrong for feeling that way because obviously I wasn’t there. But, just from different accounts, from the villager who saved Marcus especially, completely contradicts what he said happened. I really hate that there’s so many holes in the story. I really want to believe in everything he said happened, but based on the known information at hand, it’s pretty unlikely. I think Marcus witnessed his teammates get wounded, and he fled. There’s actually a Polaroid picture on the internet that one of the villagers took of Marcus while he was in the village. No visible damage, no substantial facial wounds, nothing. Looks completely fine.
@@LordB0NER no to dismiss your concerns cause I do agree but can't discount the facts documented from all the military doctors that operated on Marcus as well as the medics from the helicopter when they rescued him. The only thing I know the movie did different in that account was that he didn't flat line.
But can't discard all the medical documentation form his broken back and tongue ect.
Marucs did mention there was a point where he did break down mid fight and gave up. Which I'm a situation like that you really can't blame him. He's human after all. So even if he did run, he still tried his best to hang in there.
Isn’t there a report of 35 dead taliban?
@@Nsands81 you’re right. When you think of a SEAL, or any special forces, you think of a warrior who takes it to the max. But at the end of they day, they really are just human like you and I. Appreciate the clarity on that. Are these medical documents available to the public? Or maybe a video you’ve seen detailing his injuries?
This is 100% my favorite movie, always brings me to tears the drive to never give up, I'm so glad you guys did this one. Keep on rocking!
great fictional movie indeed, unfortunately the only survivor lied like crazy and turned his back on the Afghani that saved his life.
@@caboosej8749 True that, took the words right out my mouth
Damn didn’t realize it was like that 😔 I still love the movie though haha
1:59 it's good to see the crew give a shoutout to Michael Bay's 13 Hours, that somehow got a fair amt of bad reviews, as former Army (96-00) POG i believed 13 to solid.
LOL 3:40 about military banter!
29:00 - if they had let the older, slower guy go and tied up the others, it would have bought them more time for comms, extract, etc. Instead they let the faster teenager go. Just sayin'.
I remember at my first unit when I was a pfc, my buddy was an e5 with 2 deployments and I were drinking one night and I was talking about I hoped I get to go down range like he did. He said exactly what y’all said. Be careful what you wish for. I ended up going to Afghanistan down the road. We were lucky and didn’t lose anyone from my company but our eod truck was blown up on one of our missions and we lost some guys from the brigade. I think back to what he said and realize the gravity of what he meant. I didn’t lose any close friends like a lot of guy out there luckily, but wishing for combat brings on a whole host of things that you’ll have to live with for the rest of your life if you get to come home
Best war movie yes, also complete bullshit factually and anyone who was on the ground in the AO that day knows Luttrell is a fucking liar. God rest his teammates.
glad to hear that i figured most people believed Luttrells story even after the Afghani that saved him came to the US and contradicted his story.
Wow… I didn’t even know there was controversy about this but even the Afghan who saved Marcus said this whole story is a lie.
As a civilian, war, history buff and proud American, I stumbled upon your channel and can't thank you enough for your service and sacrifice !! I only watched this movie once, for reasons it's too tough to watch. My ignorance civilian mind wondered the same thing as to why our expertly trained SEALS couldn't do a better job of holding off and handling the enemy.... I completely understand it now through your explanation ! These types of movies and narratives should be taught more in schools !! Thanks for paving the way !!
Absolutely love watching your movies. Navy Vet. I was an aircraft director on aircraft carriers. I think you both should have shown when the new guy, Petty Officer Paton, was saying the SEAL Creed. I think it would have made sense to the viewers who are not vet understand that right of passage. Just my thought. Anyways, awesome job as always.
Thank you Men for your reviews. The civilian pop will never understand the military environment, without feedback exactly such as yours. Thankyou. It's a pleasure watching your guys.
13 hours is a movie I tend to watch once every 8 months or so. Great review of this one fellas!
You guys are my heroes especially with what's going on with the world right now and being a civilian it's actually kinda scary but I get strength from you guys I love your channel you guys tell it like it is and I'm glad to be in ear shot of your knowledge
I've never heard the story that the Apaches got pulled off this QRF mission. I've always heard that they outran the Apaches in the Chinook. Because the Chinook is faster and they wanted to get on the ground ASAP. I believe one of the pilots wrote the book and talked about this.
They got pulled off to support another fire fight... As nobody expected an OP to come under attack. I mean really what were the chances...
Just bad luck. Way I see it. Just the Taliban's day..
In the Lone Survivor book it says the Apache gunships responded to calls for air support due to US Army in a tic. I don't know much about the airspeed of an Apache compared to a Chinook but now I'm curious.
@@patronsaintofswitchbladefi2944 Air speed had nothing to do with it. As they still would have needed to return, refuel and rearm...That takes 1-2 hours at best..
Just bad luck. As even an blind squirrel gets lucky and finds a nut...
@@WizzRacing huh? No. The story I'm aware of was the QRF left with the Apaches. But the Chinook outran them
@@patronsaintofswitchbladefi2944 the Chinook is the fastest helo
Rest in peace to all those that served. Y'all are the real heroes of this world
You can always say your gonna do things but you’ll never know until your in that situation but in heinsight it would have been best to make sure you had comms and a QRF on the way to the summit once your bird is 5 mins out you go and cut them loose until then they are a risk to everyone
what about a fourth decision: taking the dudes with you, up the mountain, letting them go after you make contact?
I have always wondered that
The truth is that in real life there was no goat herders. They were heard landing
@@Beef-bullionbingo. They should read up on Roger's Rules of Ranging before the mission.
I literally thought that in my head, but said maybe I’m thinking from a point of view of not being a navy seal
This is up there with rose not letting jack onto that floating wood..except it's real.
Operation Red Wings...... Never forgotten. 🙏🏼🇺🇸💔
unfortunately what actually happened is forgotten and the fake story is remembered
Whoa, wasnt expecting this one to make me emotional. Fantastic job sean
I love this channel how have I been missing this
Finally the movie i'd been waiting for you guys to review. Btw I absolutely love it when Buck gets sidetracked w/ details of how it works in the real teams like when he explained who plans what for the ops.
"you couldn't make this up, the best writer couldn't make this up", come to find out that's exactly what happened.
What I found interesting is the interviews with the people in the town said everyone knew they were there regardless of the goat herders. They all hers the helicopter and found the ropes
there were no goat herders. They came in with the loudest helicopters the military has and they were seen and ambushed within an hour. Read the reports, this op was a failure to begin with.. Was supposed to be a marine recon team that had experience in the terrain. They sent the 4 least experienced guys, include not much combat experience. The body count of Taliban fighters was over exaggerated, there were about a dozen from the looks of their home videos that show the bodies of Dietz and Murphy.
SEALs poorly planned and got their asses handed to them by backwoods farmers.
Navy ran PR cover for their SOF golden boys by making sure a heroic official account was published and a Medal of Honor awarded.
Just like Takur Ghar this op was a shitshow.
@@vitigaymer1053 finally someone else has opened their eyes and see the lies Marcus has been spreading. He has profited off a military cover up.
They heard them fly in during the night but waited until morning to go look for them, yeah they did find the fast ropes which weren't hidden very well an followed the boot prints, there were goat herders the Tali had eyes on them an waited for them to cut them loose before attacking. An yeah they only had like maybe 12 dudes but having the high ground interlocking fields of fire and possibly a mortar as well as rpg it was doomed from go. There was a reason the marines didn't want to touch the mission, the area was just a nightmare to deal with
I remember seeing that video of the Tongo Tongo Ambush, it lights a fire inside me; one of the reasons upon many that I am pursuing a SF career.
Will there be a part two of this breakdown… I was left wanting more!
The second half of this movie isn't good.
I love you guys my dad was a seal from 68 to 72 with 3 tours In Vietnam he never talked about it while I was growing up and I feel like the only reason he made it so many tours was because of him being with the most elite in the world
"We're not the first country that's gone in there" AMEN to that. Good video gentlemen thank you.
I love this movie, but after hearing you guys discuss it, the film and experience really hits home. I appreciate you guys.
This is great stuff! Great movie and great breakdown
I love this movie and you guys are hilarious. When he says the “time card” line, one of his battle buddies whispers, “DOOOO ITT!” @32:56… 😂😂😂 HILARIOUS!
I read the after action PowerPoint for this operation and sometimes you just have bad luck. Remember this was also 2005 and like Buck mentioned, assets were being pulled all over the place so its not like when I was there as a small UAS pilot supporting SOF and they got dedicated platforms. That being said, I saw an entire family (minus the males who were farming) walking on a 8,000ft ridge line carrying goods from the market a few valleys over. It's normal for the people in the NE part of Afghanistan to do high altitude endurance activities just to resupply their homes. To our forces, we were high up in Indian country but to them we're just in their backyard.
A seal dive vehicle team doing mountain combat reconnaissance will always have bad luck 🤞
@@kxkxkxkx so enlightening. Thank you.
@@kxkxkxkx Understanding command's infinite wisdom combined with Murphy's Law doesn't surprise me that'd happen
@@kxkxkxkx not to mention they bitched and moaned to get that mission that was originally supposed to be handled by a larger SF element. Like this was a failure from the moment they were given the mission.
The input from each of you & as a team is great! Make these videos fun.
This opp didnt fail just because bad luck, from everything that I have read, it was very poorly planned. That is why you cant say it was just bad luck, then you do not learn from their mistakes. At the end of the day, SOF are human beings that make mistakes too. Out of all the successful missions to only have one end like this says everything that needs to be said.
Spot on assessment.
I watched this at the theatre. After the ending credits you could hear a pin drop. When everyone exited the theatre, people were looking down and not making eye contact with one another. We were all fighting back tears. I watched it again as soon as it came out on PPV, this time I cried like a bitch.
Not like a bitch. We witnessed a real life and death struggle of our best warriors against impossible odds. I love dis movie but it's still hard for me to watch. I'm a 8 yr army veteran. 3 tours
Dan Bizlerian actually financed part of the movie. He sued the producers later because he said his screen time wasn't as much as he was promised. Also Don Shipley did an episode on Dan which was actually very sympathetic towards him.
I don't think it was as sympathetic as it was, this guy never had the personality to be a SEAL due to narcissistic traits, but can succeed elsewhere. Just facts, no sympathy.
@@Hitched14There's probably a lot of narcissists in the Navy Seals bud... sorry to tell you
@@kyletaylor3860 duh. There’s narcissistic assholes everywhere but we’re talking about one particular person here
@@kyletaylor3860 Ego's yes, narcissists NO. That shit will be exposed in BUD/S as it was for Dan. Above all else, a Seal is a team player, and narcissistics aren't team players.
@@Hitched14 Whatever you say dude
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24:00 Why couldn't they zip tie the two guys together, facing each other, and leave? They could still get down the mountain and it would slow them down enough for the SEALS to get out of there.
Lmaoo Joe Exotic. Im not even going special forces but you guys are hilarious.
We did a ridge crawl in Hawaii a long, long time ago, what looked like a 30 minute hike ended up 4 hours later and less than 1000 meters from where we started. Garbage!
I love/hated that tour. Salute to those past and present.
All the best to you and yours.
Cheers.
When they got to the what-to-do part of the movie my first thought was tie them up multiple times over and hand one a sharp rock that'd take 3 or 4 hours to slowly cut through. That plus the time for the them to untie the rest and run down the mountain would have given them a great start
My thought was to tie up the young ones and release the old man, he'd take a lot longer to get to the village.
@@maldad9073 I figured with that much life experience he'd know to release the kids first and he'd have the best chance of getting through the bindings fastest, but yeah, same concept!
Hindsight’s always 20/20
Those men, everyone of them are heros of the highest caliber of warriors. May the all rest in peace. From Marcus Luttrell team to seals to SF to delta to all forces who have fought for their brothers sisters country and those who are innocent.
Im curious what you think of all the conflicting reports. Many involved in the rescue said the Taliban force was magnitudes smaller that what Marcus claims. The book says hundreds while other special forces guys say it was more like 10-20. The Afghan who rescued Marcus also says he lied about certain aspects. I know they also said Marcus had all his magazines still full on him when rescued indicating he didnt fire many bullets. Either way a compelling and heartbreaking story
theres a video of all this going down to my understanding. if the video is real it was like a single weapons squad with PKMs and RPGs still severely outgunned but still to lie about it is sketch
Took the words right out of my mouth 👍👍
if you weren't there then you don't know
In one of the videos that the taliban was captuing you can see one of the guys having all the mags left in he's pouches which indicates that he did not fire more then 30 rounds.
@@Last_Chance. The video doesn't lie... Although I don't reccomend watching it.
This is one of the most interesting TH-cam videos I have ever watched on any topic. Great insights that most of us would never be exposed to.
Episode two of suggesting the "escape from tarkov raid series" which is about an hour and a half, in both russian and english (with subtitles) and focuses on the violent intensity of combat while developing a very interesting story.
I've seen this movie so many times... and I still can't get enough of it!
Honestly the OPORD process that they breakdown should be a lesson for every new PL or leader. Detailed and memorable. People spend years mastering good op orders and these actors did it in a couple of months.
Thank you both for your service!!
Just recently found your channel and Damn!!! You guys are on it. As a veteran myself (90-96), your input is spot on for those that don't know.
As you are aware, at 2:55 in your video, the battle dog in the middle is actually Marcus Luttrell. He was on set the entire film to make sure that it was as real to life as a film can be. He even advised so far as to say things like "Mike Murphy would never wear his com in that position, he wore it like this".
Love the videos gentleman! New subscriber
I love the story about the nap
Been waiting patiently for this one, I’m glad y’all took the time!!😤🥋
Love these reviews. I always learn so much. Thank you guys both so much for your service.
18 seconds in and I get to where you say "you can't just throw out lone survivor" and I suddenly realized that you were 100% right and I honestly feel bad for requesting it without even considering that thought.
13:30 It is Jamiroquai, but it's also the Napoleon Dynamite dance, which was also to Jamiroquai.
If you're considering TV shows for Beers and Breakdowns, then I would really recommend the Mayor of Kingstown. The show it self is pretty good, imo, but there's some scenes intermixed in the season with some SWAT taking action and even the National Guard.
Love the videos!
I'm thinking Generation Kill would be a good show for them. But maybe it's too much like Jarheads but longer.
I appreciate your time and insights into these films. I wasn't allowed to join because my spine shattered in a few places but I have the greatest respect and gratitude for every single person who has ever served our country. Thank you for the recommendation of 13 hours.
This review is definitely worth the wait for me. To be honest though, first time watching it myself, from the beginning to the end, it’s really hard for me to watch, just by seeing your friends being with you after having fun with stuff together on the base, then they’re not with you anymore as soon as shit hits the fan and things go wrong in an operation. Thank you Buck and Kurt for being able to do this review and breakdown of Lone Survivor, I’m glad you’re both able to take your time, considering how the movie realistically depicted the entire operation (though I understand that some things are changed up to not being so obvious to the baddies).
Yooh my old manager was in the rescue operation he was a Ranger, showed me pictures of his time, great lad he suffers from minor ptsd and has major back problems from parachuting. Wonderful boss im glad he's able to just spend time with his daughter and wife now in peace
One day the day will come when they review Generation Kill.
I remember watching this in theaters with a high school friend at the time. We left the theater quietly just like everyone else, eyes down and no words. When we got to the parking lot I asked him “How did you feel about that?” And he said “It makes me wanna sign up and go fight!” He never signed up but I want to. I just need to waiver a disability and asthma.
There were rumors going around that Marcus lied about some of that stuff. And how they actually went in pretty light in terms of equipment. And I guess the Rangers that went in afterwards were saying that there couldn’t have been more than 20 dudes. Idk it’s just what I’ve heard
Marcus was also found by that villager with most if not all of his ammunition.
@@mrosefield309 yeah it’s all sorts of wack. Lots of rumors being thrown around
Yes but the intel brief said 80-200 enemy forces were in the area. When you take contact from the 20 people you can't stop to count you don't go. Ah probably not 200 we can take em.
Also he clearly grabbed his guys mags when they fell. No one is carrying 11 mags on them lol. You toss the empy and keep the full.
PPL are stupid and clearly can't do 2+2
Just rewatching after the anti hero podcast on this story. Hearin that Lutrelle still had a basically a full load out of ammo and a lot of other false info. Still a great movie but sad to knw so many lives were lost in a complete fubar of a mission. Rip to all the fallen warriors! God bless
Eh, it was their fault. Read Victory Point by Ed Darrak. The planning was flawed, the Seals(from an SDV team no less) were misused, and they made awful mistakes. Murphy refused to listen to more experienced guys who told him to take better coms. When they inserted, they didn’t hide the fast rope, and were immediately tracked. Murphy chose an OP that was 1/4th a kilometer away from a well known trail, and led the team down a gultch that was a kill zone that could not be escaped.
The goat herders didn’t compromise them. The insurgents had already spotted them and were watching them during that incident. There was also zero thought about killing them. According to Gulab, the engagement only lasted 45 minutes, not hours. Marcus lied about a lot. His injuries(which were shown to be not factual in pictures, and from witnesses ) turned out to be exaggerated. Rangers who were there even said his injuries didn’t line up.
There were also only 7 insurgents, and none of them were killed in the engagement(though one received a susperficial injury).
I read that it was 20 insurgents, not an entire army of "hundreds" like Luttrell stated. Gulab also stated that Luttrell had full mags with him.
DoD trying to put a positive spin on all those men getting kill by spinning a hero/survival story. Gulab also said marcus was found with most if not all his ammunition. My speculation, the team got caught in a close ambush and marcus booked it.
Navy needed to put positive PR for the SEALs.
Op Red Wings just showed that if you don't adequately prep and plan. Even 15 highly trained Navy SEALs can be sent to their graves by backwoods farmers before they could even adequately fire back.
Ty for the warning at beginning. My Dad never let us watch war anything in the house. I used to think it was for him, but now I know it was for me
Hell of a powerful film, good stuff guys.
I tell everyone that wants to know what taking contact is really like I point them to this movie. Like you touched on there is no heroics, there is no fancy music, no slow motion movement (even though sometimes it feels like that.) and honestly all you see is muzzle flash and the ground just looking like random poofs of dirt just popping all around you, and all you hear is maneuvers being called out and enemy positions being called.
it's a really great movie. it's one of the select few that I stay away from honestly, and another one being Black Hawk Down. I am glad there are other guys out there that share the same view points!
great B and B!
While this is an entertaining movie, I wouldn't exactly call it it realistic (although probably for the best) It was supposed to be a joint force mission with a much larger footprint but was passed on after seeing the available Intel and terrain by the Army unit,, This was a SDV (mini SEAL submarine) crew who only one of which had real recce experience that decided to go ahead with the mission because the SEALs were mission hungry early in the GWOT to be able to become a ground element within SOCOM (Then JSOC) which made for multiple bad mission decisions early on including this one by the SEALs... They were compromised from the drop zone and followed the next morning from the rope along their boot trail to their exposed observation point, the goat boy was not important to the ambush... Also most of the footage that you don't wanna see of the ambush aftermath shows evidence of a rather swift well planned attack by about 8-12 taliban(who even took the time to carry up their 90's VHS camera for the battle) I won't get into the recovered gear of the living and deceased shown on video and described by the Rangers and Special Forces involved in the rescue and recovery, but there was not much of a gunfight, atleast not 2 ways. Yes many of those Taliban were killed, but it was several days later with guided munitions. To be fair if my friends died due to terrible planning I'd probably also stretch the shiiiiiiiit out of that truth to make them look great. Although the satcom phone from an exposed position apparently did happen, according to GPS data and the award citation. More details are even more convoluted unless you know someone personally involved after the success of the book, movie, and Marcus Luttrell... maybe that's the best for the families and SEAL recruitment, but this movie and the book are NOT documentaries.
They should have had the guy who wrote Blackhawk down write it.. That dude got everything right..
This channel, is just a money gauging machine. They are here for revenue purposes, not the truth. The first couple of minutes of this video is a contradiction. They initially stated it was going to be a movie review but then started glamorizing the movie’s action ma as if they were facts.
On a separate note, the Marine Corps took care of those fighters in Operation Whalers. Also if I recall correctly, they weren’t Taliban. They were part of the Haqanni Network.
Im unsubscribing from this channel.
@@Lifechanging99999 I think the Marines were also involved in some of the previous mission planning for that target but also dropped it due to obvious oversights and insurmountable obstacles with their available assets... Although that is just something I heard, I've also heard the info you mentioned, but don't know any Marines closely involved with those operations or other Marines that were actually on them, so I'm still not 100% on that part... Tough to find details on this one unless you know someone personally... Kinda like how atleast 3 different SEALs were the ONE that killed Bin Laden 🤦♂️ as former SEAL (including team6/devgru/gold squadron) Andy Stumpf says "Every SEAL book should be in the fiction section at the bookstore" he knows... 😂
As an ex soldier I could tell straight away the combat scenes were unrealistic. No way you gonna identify targets and accurately shoot while running down a slope like that
@@rogerbussiii he got less than half of that book right
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Fun Fact: That dude is an OG youtuber and parkour athlete, Daniel Arroyo. He was also in MTV's Ultimate Parkour Competition back in the day.
I've always enjoyed this series. Keep up the good work.
I was in the navy, but I don't know shit about combat, or SF or SEALs but I've never understood why not leave two people to watch the prisoners and send the other two to make comms? Is that a bad idea? Or is there some rule that you can't split up the team?
Yeah it would be a Bad idea & they’re a team , 1 is never to be left behind yet alone 2 especially on a mission like this. Honestly the only other decision would’ve been to just tie them up for the sake of the time it took to get to the top of the mountain.
What they should have done per LOAC and Geneva, zip tie/detain both of the goat herders and bring them will you and call for extract. Once the bird arrives and the team is preparing to leave, cut the zip ties and leave them unharmed.
It would have been a very bad idea cuz it was only a 4 man SR team of 4 SEALs if 2 of them split up and if they got into contact it would be worse than it already was and it’s not safe, maybe if it’s a platoon of 16 SEALs, that would be a different story but not a 4 man team
The whole mission wad a stupid idea. A 4 man recce team sent.in during the day, and a SDV one to boot. 😖
Why not take the goat herder with them to make comms ?
37:01 - It's not the bullet with your name on that you have to worry about, It's the one marked "To whom it may concern"....
Why doesn’t anybody talk about Marcus Luttrell having 11 full mags when rangers found him?
Marcus having 11 full magazines was said by Mohammad Gulab, not the Rangers. Can't really confirm how much ammunition Luttrell had but we can confirm that he did not suffer the serious injuries he claimed he did.
I saw a comment somewhere that said he actually had one mag with 11 rounds. The commenter claimed this was backed up by someone who was involved in the rescue, on another podcast called Team Never Quit. I haven't watched it so I can't confirm.
They literally said they were reviewing the movie not talking about any controversy or trashing anybody. Seemed pretty straightforward, bud.