Same fix for Holzforma G111 copycat saw. New out of the box, not even through first gas tank, it wouldn't idle at all, and ran filthy rich even with H and L needles all the way leaned in. Found 3 "magical" passages inside carb that were not H and L jets. Glued them all shut with steel epoxy. Runs a lot better afterwards. Won't call it perfect, but it's at least usable.
I use an ultrasonic cleaner to clean all the inner holes. You can buy them off eBay for about 100 bucks. You may have to run the carby through a couple of times but most of the time it’s only once. Steve’s small engine saloon is a great reference. Great vid love ya work.
Aw man. I'd love to see a full tutorial from the start including exactly how you glue the section. I really have no clue and I would definitely destroy the saw without being led step by step the whole way through this. I'd love it if you'd consider doing that. Thanks bud.
I have older Stihl Arborist saw, I think early 70's vintage model 020, it's similar design to your MS200T. It's been on the shelf for years in need of new gas lines & probably a carb cleaning or rebuild so I'm extremely interested in anything you do with your Arborist collection...your doing a great job with vids...many thanks! 🍺🥨🍺
Thanks for this! I've just made this adjustment to my carb and it works great. I used super glue, so a bit concerned the petrol my dissolve the glue. Time will tell. Update: it's been a couple of weeks since I applied this fix. Done a job over the last couple of days and the saw continues to work well. The petrol still doesn't seem to have dissolved the super glue.
Nope, super glue actually has great resistance to gasoline, in fact I believe a manufacturer rep recommend it to me once for gluing on fuel inlet elbows (the plastic part where the fuel comes in on a lot of small engine carbs). Thanks Tinman and those on arboristsite! I was scratching my head after a carb rebuild did no good and I had thought it looked pretty good to begin with!
My 200 is a 2005 MY only has about 15 hours - 18 hours on it - home use only. It runs like a top but it does have a boggy throttle until it warms a little. 5 seconds at half throttle and she’s good to go. I think it was like this since new and concluded it’s the it’s nature. No issues thou, once she’s warm up for a few seconds. Starting is still only a couple of pulls.
Awesome thanks.. Im going to have to try this. I put a rebuild kit in my zama C1Q S61A and the saw ran the same way.. Starts up nice on choke, but dies when you try to idle. Do you have a video removing the welsh plug and jb welding the holes? Also, why does my saw only have one fuel tube come from the tank when all the tune up kits show two? Thanks!
I have a MS200 and it always bogs and stalls when it's cold and hard to keep running, once it's warmed up fires right up and runs great, pulls real good, I was told I need a new carburetor but at $80-90 I can't hardly pay that when once it's warm the thing works perfect, Maybe because I took the spark arrestor out, but i can get way more power this way, haven't run the saw with it in much because it's boggy and it won't run good
I have a G111/200t mix and I got an OEM carb was my last purchase. It will start but not idle. I soaked the carb and it ran fine then a week later same problem. What type of glue did you use JB Weld? And how did you get that little plug out?
Hey tinman great video! I have an 020t with the carb only having the low adjustment and it does not have a welch plug like yours does. Mine has a hard time staying running and is hard to start warm...any idea what i can do to fix it? New carb maybe?
I have three machines with the idle problem I put a carb. Kit and I just can get them to idle all three machines MS194 and 200T, any suggestions ❓ thank you by the way what kind of glue you used
Couldn't get the wash plug out and find that channel you were on about to glue up. I opened the carb and by the wash plug I found 2 small holes on top of the carb, are these the ones you should glue?
Nice! Will this work on all 200t carbs? I have a zama off a 200t that has 63 embossed on the bottom and then "CIQ" and "151" embossed on the adjustment side of the carb.
My 200T had the exact problem, your "hack" fixed it right up. Thanks Canada!
I have the same problem with my ms 200, but now after this trick it works perfekt. Thank you, Tinman.
Same fix for Holzforma G111 copycat saw. New out of the box, not even through first gas tank, it wouldn't idle at all, and ran filthy rich even with H and L needles all the way leaned in.
Found 3 "magical" passages inside carb that were not H and L jets. Glued them all shut with steel epoxy. Runs a lot better afterwards. Won't call it perfect, but it's at least usable.
i really want to THANK YOU - I ran my MS200T from 2006 and it runs like a charm - I've rebuilt mine atleast 7 times and never had this luck!
I use an ultrasonic cleaner to clean all the inner holes. You can buy them off eBay for about 100 bucks. You may have to run the carby through a couple of times but most of the time it’s only once. Steve’s small engine saloon is a great reference. Great vid love ya work.
So... I’ve been pretty frustrated with the bogging on my 200T. I did pull the welch plug, and glued the holes shut. The saw purrrrs!! Thank you!
Right on, glad i could help!!
How to pull welch plug?
Search the tube with your exact question. Its on here.
Hey Tinman. A mate of mine will soon be dropping off four of these saws to me for repair. You’ve just saved me a lot of heartache. Brilliant vid 🤘
Good info! Love to see you building good saws out of junk! My kind of saw! Stay safe buddy!👍👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Aw man. I'd love to see a full tutorial from the start including exactly how you glue the section. I really have no clue and I would definitely destroy the saw without being led step by step the whole way through this. I'd love it if you'd consider doing that. Thanks bud.
Ill add that to my "future videos " list..
@@tinmanssaws Hey we are still waiting for that 👍
@@olivierj.2435 hell ya I will mail you the carb off my old one if you dont have an extra one
I have older Stihl Arborist saw, I think early 70's vintage model 020, it's similar design to your MS200T. It's been on the shelf for years in need of new gas lines & probably a carb cleaning or rebuild so I'm extremely interested in anything you do with your Arborist collection...your doing a great job with vids...many thanks! 🍺🥨🍺
Thanks for this! I've just made this adjustment to my carb and it works great. I used super glue, so a bit concerned the petrol my dissolve the glue. Time will tell.
Update: it's been a couple of weeks since I applied this fix. Done a job over the last couple of days and the saw continues to work well. The petrol still doesn't seem to have dissolved the super glue.
So glad to to hear that my videos are helping others. Thats the soul reason I am making youtube content.
Thanks for that feedback!
Nope, super glue actually has great resistance to gasoline, in fact I believe a manufacturer rep recommend it to me once for gluing on fuel inlet elbows (the plastic part where the fuel comes in on a lot of small engine carbs). Thanks Tinman and those on arboristsite! I was scratching my head after a carb rebuild did no good and I had thought it looked pretty good to begin with!
My 200 is a 2005 MY only has about 15 hours - 18 hours on it - home use only. It runs like a top but it does have a boggy throttle until it warms a little. 5 seconds at half throttle and she’s good to go. I think it was like this since new and concluded it’s the it’s nature. No issues thou, once she’s warm up for a few seconds. Starting is still only a couple of pulls.
Awesome thanks.. Im going to have to try this. I put a rebuild kit in my zama C1Q S61A and the saw ran the same way.. Starts up nice on choke, but dies when you try to idle. Do you have a video removing the welsh plug and jb welding the holes? Also, why does my saw only have one fuel tube come from the tank when all the tune up kits show two? Thanks!
Great tip! Going to try it on mine fingers crossed!
I have a MS200 and it always bogs and stalls when it's cold and hard to keep running, once it's warmed up fires right up and runs great, pulls real good, I was told I need a new carburetor but at $80-90 I can't hardly pay that when once it's warm the thing works perfect, Maybe because I took the spark arrestor out, but i can get way more power this way, haven't run the saw with it in much because it's boggy and it won't run good
Hey cheers once again Tinman 👍
Do you think its worth just gluing it shut anyway / could it do any harm 🤷♂️
I have a G111/200t mix and I got an OEM carb was my last purchase. It will start but not idle. I soaked the carb and it ran fine then a week later same problem. What type of glue did you use JB Weld? And how did you get that little plug out?
That's cool I've been trying to find those saws everywhere no luck.
Hey tinman great video! I have an 020t with the carb only having the low adjustment and it does not have a welch plug like yours does. Mine has a hard time staying running and is hard to start warm...any idea what i can do to fix it? New carb maybe?
Where can you get a Welch plug to replace that small oval one?
I wonder if this will work on the Husky 357/359 saws with the accelerator pump Walbro carbs.
I have three machines with the idle problem I put a carb. Kit and I just can get them to idle all three machines MS194 and 200T, any suggestions ❓ thank you by the way what kind of glue you used
Did it continue to run right?? Did that fix it?
Couldn't get the wash plug out and find that channel you were on about to glue up. I opened the carb and by the wash plug I found 2 small holes on top of the carb, are these the ones you should glue?
How to get the plug out of it?
How did this work out with the other saws/carbs, did it cure your issues for those also?
You don't have another oem cylinder left do ya?
Good to know… Thanks
Just did 2 more today. Both saws ran perfect after.
Any chance you would sell one of those good cylinders my muffler screws stripped out I tapped them then they stripped out again 🙄
Excellent tip 👌 thanks for brilliant videos
That was so easy! Thanks for that
Interesting! What kind of glue did you use?
Hey bud, I used a product called seal all.
Gonna try this on my MS200, thanks!
Same problem on my 201tc. Would it be the same fix?
How do you get the plug out?
Kind reminds of the guy that fixed the ships engine by tapping in just the right place with the little hammer he carried with him.....
Its such a stupid easy fix I had to do a video on it. It works quite well.
Whats a good price to pay for a non running 200t?
Do you Install a new Welch plug when done glueing or leave the blocked passages exposed with no plug?
You can reinstall the plug or leave it open, it seems to wprk both ways.
@@tinmanssaws I always seem to ruin those plugs when removing. Thank you, I am excited to try this.
Any forsale?
Have any left for sale?
Would gluing the welch work on the majority of carbs?
Only on these carbs as it deletes the accelerator pump.
Have you experimented with porting and timing with a MS200?
Watch John’s custom saws
Did you glue the pump and the two holes under the walsh plug?
Just the holes. I never touch the pump on any of them I've fixed.
@@tinmanssaws have you ever had to do anything else to fix the wavering revs?
@@xandergisbey5402 that fix has worked on 10 plus carbs ive done it to.
Update on the carb mod? Been couple years
That saw is stihl running strong with that carb.
Nice!
Will this work on all 200t carbs?
I have a zama off a 200t that has 63 embossed on the bottom and then "CIQ" and "151" embossed on the adjustment side of the carb.
What kind of glue
"Seal All". Resistant to fuel.
Anymore for sale?
Hey do I have to take it out or could I just glue the outside my 200t its bogging.
And if I have to take it out how do I.
Yes id take it out.
Remove the 2 8mm nuts that hold the carb on and the throttle and choke linkages and slide the carb off..
Any for sale
thanks .. i just made this fix and we'll see how it works tomorrow when the jb weld dries. thanks
worked amazing, my 200t is better than new now. thank you. just in time for another dirt bike trip to idaho. thanks!!!
@@weknowsnowdotcom Thanks for the feedback!
Looks like a Hot Wheels car in your paws.................
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I bought 3 acceleration pump rebuild kits for 20 bucks so my ported ms200t won't get the mod