You actually didn't have to take any lines off the AC. The condenser can rotate up enough to get the cam in/out with both lines attached. I have done it many many times.
🔔😎 Excellent !! 👍👍 Here's an old "no air" valve spring trick. Cylinder on TDC. Roll the piston down either way. Feed a couple feet of 3/16 cotton rope into the spark plug hole, then roll the piston up to hold the valves😲. Works at the track when you broke a spring and you don't have air. Trick from the 50s. 👍👍😎😁
When the Anderson lifter tools get a little old, the shrink tubing that holds the magnet can split. Not good. Check them first , if the magnet sticks on the lifter, and not the threaded rod than your day just got longer. It is easy to fix before bad stuff happens.
I’ve had one pop off before. Luckily I was able to get it to reattach to another tappet tool. The shrink wrap isn’t what actually holds them in place. They are epoxied to the rod. The wrap is used more as a place holder while it dries.
My Brother! Great job hanging in there and solving the issue. I am sure that it would have lead to more issues. Always follow your instincts… when you get that feeling that something isn’t right then keep digging and working until it is resolved. Most times people say it should be that way or just leave live with it …is because they can’t figure it out. 💯👊🏾
Hopefully my 1 year Fox project will be wrapped up soon, work has been crazy busy. TrickFlow Street Burner upper and lower BBK fuel rails 24lb injectors BBK 75mm throttle body BBK fuel pressure regulator Vacuum block Roller rockers Push rods Value Covers Mega squirt ECU BMR tubular K member Subframe connectors Kevin Brown extreme matrix kit Stiffler driveline hoop Ford Performance 3:73 gears U-joints Wire harness tuck Clutch kit BBK equal length shorty headers And of course fresh Amsoil Zrod high zinc oil I'm sure there is other stuff I forgot about, can't wait to five her again. Gunna be a completely different car.
I used to use those telescopic magnets I've always had a bunch of them laying around the magnet itself is strong real strong so glad to see something out there to do that trick with
This was a lot of good information for me. I have been dealing with valvetrain noise for a long time and just didn't know where to start beyond the rockers. Did I miss why you changed out the valve springs? Was it to fix the noise or was it because of the new cam?
🔔😎 Just realized during rewatch😲 "Tappet" tools.... Boy, THAT's old school !!! Nobody under 40 uses that term. LOL.👍😎 They were termed tappets because in ancient days everything was solid lifters (til @ the SBC). Hence, tapping noise = tapp-ets.
Funny story I recently purchased a 95 Cobra it needed a new plastic Cowl panel. While taking it off I broke the old plastic vaccum lines going to the washer nozzles. I didn't fix it right away because I didn't have the parts to fix at the time. Then I did a few mods like Screamin Coil, and a couple things. After that I drive the car and it bucks and snatched and acts stupid. I put a new tfi Module and new connector on coil, and new voltage Regulator connector. All needed. Still bucking and snatching. Corrected timing and still did it. I finally got around to fixing The Big Vaccum Leak from the Washer Nozzle vaccum lines and bam smooth running car. No bucking and snatching. Check All Vaccum Lines. Including those going to Washer Nozzles
Hey great video, I'm having problems with my cooling fans, it overheated the other day sitting at a drive through. The screen on the super sniper said my fans were on but when I lifted the hood they weren't. What do you suggest Think I should run a toggle switch that way I know it's on. I have aluminum heads and you know I could cause alot of damage if I overheat again Thanks bro I know your busy
🔔😎 It looks to me that with stock the dog bone lifter links that both lifters need to come up simultaneously so the dog bone doesn't twist and bind because one lifter is way up and the other not. Just thinking 🤔 Trick idea👍👍 I'll use it👍👍
🔔😎 I'm still wondering if all roller lifters (per engine type) have the exact same diameter rollers. Different diameters would affect cam timing a lot. 🤔🤔
vr1 oil is great...ben having a rod nock in my vw for 2 years now and still driving it...yes i have a new motor to go in it but till the old one blowes ...fuck it all so run it in my 89 mustang with 138.576 miles on it so far so good
Please explain how the water got in the oil pan also where did you say that you got the things that holds rollers up out the way from & their name thx in advance
I can't believe anyone would say valve train noise is normal...yes solid lifter can make a bit of noise but only on cold start or excessive lash. Anytime you have noise your causing in necessary unnecessary wear. Where you have experience with the 5.0 do you think long tubes are worth the clearance issues? As far as hooking it up that's not a problem, where I'm a professional fabricator/welder I'm getting a 2.5 mandrel bent builders kit with an x-pipe out the back I may use the fake cats I found online just in case.just incase.but if it's not worth it on a efi 5.0 I wouldn't bother. It's a sn95 vert so I'm never heavily modding this car other than mild aluminum heads cam n intake. where I'm hoping some day of getting an 32v sn95 cobra even tho I'm not a huge fan of ohc engines but performance potential of those is really high.
I disagree with u on ur solid lifter praise, I only have runem for 18 yrs on street, they make noise like a type writer, back in day cams ran .20 tho clearance, now they have closer clearance like mine that’s .12 tho, still makes same amount of noise hot or cold
I use those adjustable guide plates and have a hell of a time with them, I have afr 195cc heads and the push rod is all the way against the aluminum in the hole to try and get them centered
@@hotrodray6802 ya it's like the holes are offset, im using a dart sbf block and afr heads, but I can't afford those jesel rockers with the offset and can't find a cheaper version
I have the same chatter issue and I thought it was rocker arms at first but I’m hesitant on what to look at next pushrods /lifters /valve springs /valves not seating?
I absolutely love the content. Can you have Mrs brew2l make a budget for fender covers? All the work put into painting the silver fox and all I see is your 28 husky pants button scratching paint 😂😂😂
🔔😎 Just caught it @ :40 (and 23:43 still shot) as you said "pass the camera by". Look at that rocker/ valve tip carefully. (The rocker straight in front of the roof truss) Not lined up. Right? Now look at that retainer. Doesn't fit the spring. 🤔🤔😎
It looks like the retainer is not designed for those double springs so obviously it's not seated squarely onto the outer spring. When a retainer is placed into a spring before installation it should snap in lightly and not move around in the spring hole inner diameter. Double springs make it worse because the inner spring touches the retainer too. 😲🤔🤔 Yes I am aware those retainers came with the springs and cam. 😲
🔔😎 Recently when taking pushrods out of the box Brew made a comment about if hardened pushrods really are hard. Here's how to tell. Get a good FMB (flat mill bastard) file and run it across each pushrod. If it scratches it, it is NOT hardened. Check your guide plates this way also. One time I saw soft pushrods in guideplates and they wore almost through until they bent. Guess where all that metal went. JME 👍😎
BREW2L Have you ever done a video on re-charging your A/C compressor? I"m at that stage in my rebuild and i was hoping you may have a video or may consider doing a video showing us?
There is power to be had from optimizing your valve train. Those pushrods are garbage and the 3/8 stud is flexible. The budget may not allow it, but something to think about later. How much preload did you put on lifter?
People are very unhelpful when it comes to car problems and sounds. People always seem to want problems to be no big deal. Had a knock in my 05 GT and couldn't find the problem. A dude who knows better seriously told me to throw in 40w oil and it will be good. Found out that I had a rolled cam lobe on cylinder 4.
It sounds a hell of a lot better, yeah valve train noise is only letting you know that something isn't right, I have never and any problems with it on anything that I have built, I did hear a little noise on beans at first only when u held your head really close to the engine and it freaked me out but it cleared up and was probably a lifter not fully primed up but it was really quite and not as noticeable as they normally are they were the one's they came out with a few years ago in 2017 i think . So I knew that u had a little issue somewhere because I could hear it but it's fixed now and that was a great excuse to get a bigger cam as well because you know that is what some of the noise was coming from😉.................. 🤣😂🤣 i just watched a video where someone used those to put a cam in and next time I do a swap im going to get some of those as well. Ive got new valve springs on the way and going with 1.7 roller rockers because I ended up with some cheap springs that I thought was a all comp cams stuff and it was all but the springs and at the dyno my cam is supposed to pull to 6500 and it peaked 422rwhp at 5700 so there's more in it and Im going to get it all because im greedy and want all the power 😂🤣😂
I’ve got the same hydro lifters, and I’m curious, do you not prime your oil pimp to fill the lifters when you do work like this that drains everything?
My motor guy told me with hydraulic roller lifters the 50w oil is a little to heavy for them and should use a 40 or 30 but I say f@#$ that and I run the 20/50 as well bud
One nice thing about a FE motor the hole for the push rod is big enough to remove the lifters without removing intake that tool looks pretty handy to bad there wasn't some way to replace the lifter without removing intake I need to replace one put new lifters in and one is bad.
I like the Mob1 10/30 with a cup of Lucas and the police car oil heater/cooler. Rarely gets below 20*. That oil heater really makes a big difference IMO.👍😎 Gets the oil temp up much much quicker.
We add ZDDP additive from O'Reillys to synthetic oils in the flat tappet cars. Recent experience has made me a Lucas believer. 1/2 quart in 10/30 synthetic Mobil1 in the Fox with police car oil cooler.
You actually didn't have to take any lines off the AC. The condenser can rotate up enough to get the cam in/out with both lines attached. I have done it many many times.
Its kinda like changing headers without removing spark plugs. It can be done, But ya take them out so they dont get broke……
Same here
We call that a “blue sky” recovery in the HVAC industry. Would get you in trouble in Canada :)
Serious to EPA here too. 😳
How were you able to evacuate the system without making a mess from the refrigerant?!? Looked like you were just taking air out of a tire
9:40 Gave me a gasp.... I'm sure glad that cam didn't flop to the floor😲😲😲
Glad you beat that ticking gremlin, you've been putting in some work the last couple weeks.
But mmmmmmm that cam 🤤
Thanks brother! ✊
Sounds damn good Brew2L. Glad you got the valve train issues resolved. I could tell it was driving you crazy.
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Not gonna lie I’m surprised that made it on the video !
Awesome 🤩!!! I’m glad you figured it out!! Thanks for sharing the fix. It sounds great 👍🏻
Shout to Anderson, for coming in clutch, helping our boy BREW2L with all needs to make this happen, See yall at FTO
The fan isn't that bad. Sounds like minimal ambient background noise. Voice is still clear an loud enough.
Thanks for the input 👌
I agree with Gerry, stay cool
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Excellent !! 👍👍
Here's an old "no air" valve spring trick.
Cylinder on TDC. Roll the piston down either way. Feed a couple feet of 3/16 cotton rope into the spark plug hole, then roll the piston up to hold the valves😲.
Works at the track when you broke a spring and you don't have air. Trick from the 50s. 👍👍😎😁
When the Anderson lifter tools get a little old, the shrink tubing that holds the magnet can split. Not good. Check them first , if the magnet sticks on the lifter, and not the threaded rod than your day just got longer. It is easy to fix before bad stuff happens.
I’ve had one pop off before. Luckily I was able to get it to reattach to another tappet tool. The shrink wrap isn’t what actually holds them in place. They are epoxied to the rod. The wrap is used more as a place holder while it dries.
My Brother! Great job hanging in there and solving the issue. I am sure that it would have lead to more issues. Always follow your instincts… when you get that feeling that something isn’t right then keep digging and working until it is resolved. Most times people say it should be that way or just leave live with it …is because they can’t figure it out. 💯👊🏾
Hopefully my 1 year Fox project will be wrapped up soon, work has been crazy busy.
TrickFlow Street Burner upper and lower
BBK fuel rails
24lb injectors
BBK 75mm throttle body
BBK fuel pressure regulator
Vacuum block
Roller rockers
Push rods
Value Covers
Mega squirt ECU
BMR tubular K member
Subframe connectors
Kevin Brown extreme matrix kit
Stiffler driveline hoop
Ford Performance 3:73 gears
U-joints
Wire harness tuck
Clutch kit
BBK equal length shorty headers
And of course fresh Amsoil Zrod high zinc oil
I'm sure there is other stuff I forgot about, can't wait to five her again. Gunna be a completely different car.
Very good video old friend. Forgot about those lifters tools!
Can you fell a different in power over the stage 1 cam?
Not really on low end. But higher rpm sure!
I used to use those telescopic magnets I've always had a bunch of them laying around the magnet itself is strong real strong so glad to see something out there to do that trick with
Worked like a charm!
Great way to hold all 16 for a cam change.
Thanks Brew for the info👍😎
This was a lot of good information for me. I have been dealing with valvetrain noise for a long time and just didn't know where to start beyond the rockers. Did I miss why you changed out the valve springs? Was it to fix the noise or was it because of the new cam?
whoever first put those rockers did a hack job. most aftermarket heads come with 2 piece adjustable guide plates.
Looks like u got brother good stuff..
Thanks bud!
@@BREW2LFOXBODY (got it)I mean lol
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Just realized during rewatch😲
"Tappet" tools.... Boy, THAT's old school !!!
Nobody under 40 uses that term. LOL.👍😎
They were termed tappets because in ancient days everything was solid lifters (til @ the SBC). Hence, tapping noise = tapp-ets.
Funny story I recently purchased a 95 Cobra it needed a new plastic Cowl panel. While taking it off I broke the old plastic vaccum lines going to the washer nozzles. I didn't fix it right away because I didn't have the parts to fix at the time. Then I did a few mods like Screamin Coil, and a couple things. After that I drive the car and it bucks and snatched and acts stupid. I put a new tfi Module and new connector on coil, and new voltage Regulator connector. All needed. Still bucking and snatching. Corrected timing and still did it. I finally got around to fixing The Big Vaccum Leak from the Washer Nozzle vaccum lines and bam smooth running car. No bucking and snatching. Check All Vaccum Lines. Including those going to Washer Nozzles
Good stuff, Brother! I've been wondering about those lifter magnets. Thanks for the review.
Hey great video, I'm having problems with my cooling fans, it overheated the other day sitting at a drive through. The screen on the super sniper said my fans were on but when I lifted the hood they weren't. What do you suggest
Think I should run a toggle switch that way I know it's on. I have aluminum heads and you know I could cause alot of damage if I overheat again
Thanks bro I know your busy
I really hope you don't take this the wrong way. Your car is very beautiful. Why don't you use fenderProtectors.
🔔😎 It looks to me that with stock the dog bone lifter links that both lifters need to come up simultaneously so the dog bone doesn't twist and bind because one lifter is way up and the other not.
Just thinking 🤔
Trick idea👍👍 I'll use it👍👍
Damn I'm glad you got this figured out and fixed once and for all. Sounds awesome
Brew2L, I noticed that you are using a 1.6 rocker ratio rocker arm. Have you ever played around with different ratios ?
Are those heads the 20-450 model Canfield's?
Possible 300+cfm at only 500" lift when ported.
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I'm still wondering if all roller lifters (per engine type) have the exact same diameter rollers. Different diameters would affect cam timing a lot. 🤔🤔
vr1 oil is great...ben having a rod nock in my vw for 2 years now and still driving it...yes i have a new motor to go in it but till the old one blowes ...fuck it
all so run it in my 89 mustang with 138.576 miles on it so far so good
My 86 gt is making valve train noise but I haven't had the time to look into it 😅 has a cam heads and 1.6rr. Hopefully it's nothing serious.
I’m in Statesboro ga and saw a black fox body for sale right off the interstate. Immediately thought of you
You didn't just let the AC gas out into the air right next to you. 🤪🤪🤪🤪
Please explain how the water got in the oil pan also where did you say that you got the things that holds rollers up out the way from & their name thx in advance
Super cool magnet tools there! Engine sounds great! Great work! Thanks for sharing the info!
Thank you!! I asked a while ago if you have tried those. And if not would you try now I know
so you think it was the guide plates causing the rockers to run crooked and hit somewhere on the retainers?
Was there any signs or wear or anything on the trickflow cam?
Wow. You made me cringe on that first passby
How are you measuring installed height and seat pressure?
I can't believe anyone would say valve train noise is normal...yes solid lifter can make a bit of noise but only on cold start or excessive lash. Anytime you have noise your causing in necessary unnecessary wear. Where you have experience with the 5.0 do you think long tubes are worth the clearance issues? As far as hooking it up that's not a problem, where I'm a professional fabricator/welder I'm getting a 2.5 mandrel bent builders kit with an x-pipe out the back I may use the fake cats I found online just in case.just incase.but if it's not worth it on a efi 5.0 I wouldn't bother. It's a sn95 vert so I'm never heavily modding this car other than mild aluminum heads cam n intake. where I'm hoping some day of getting an 32v sn95 cobra even tho I'm not a huge fan of ohc engines but performance potential of those is really high.
I disagree with u on ur solid lifter praise, I only have runem for 18 yrs on street, they make noise like a type writer, back in day cams ran .20 tho clearance, now they have closer clearance like mine that’s .12 tho, still makes same amount of noise hot or cold
Sounds exactly like my B21 cam
Hey we’re did you get the lifter holder again??
Dang those were real bad off center on the roller tip.
You didn't want to check valvespring length and shim as needed? Just going to trust the cups and valve job is good?
JMO
not a big deal with these springs below 6,000 rpm. 😎
I was in a professional race engine shop w dyno.
It always disappointing for someone first thought of a camshaft is the soud the cam makes instead of the performance just saying
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I use those adjustable guide plates and have a hell of a time with them, I have afr 195cc heads and the push rod is all the way against the aluminum in the hole to try and get them centered
Sounds like a head problem? Stud location or hole position. 🤔
@@hotrodray6802 ya it's like the holes are offset, im using a dart sbf block and afr heads, but I can't afford those jesel rockers with the offset and can't find a cheaper version
Grind it, people grind it all the time to run 3/8 rods
Those lifter magnet tools...manoman those are a nice solution. Well done.
Game changers 💯🙌
I have the pedestal mount rocker arms will I need guide plates for that setup as well?
I have the same chatter issue and I thought it was rocker arms at first but I’m hesitant on what to look at next pushrods /lifters /valve springs /valves not seating?
I absolutely love the content. Can you have Mrs brew2l make a budget for fender covers? All the work put into painting the silver fox and all I see is your 28 husky pants button scratching paint 😂😂😂
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Just caught it @ :40 (and 23:43 still shot) as you said "pass the camera by". Look at that rocker/ valve tip carefully. (The rocker straight in front of the roof truss) Not lined up. Right? Now look at that retainer. Doesn't fit the spring. 🤔🤔😎
I mean stop it at :40 and look at that spring retainer. The retainer edge is inside the spring coil. WTH? That is not correct.
It looks like the retainer is not designed for those double springs so obviously it's not seated squarely onto the outer spring.
When a retainer is placed into a spring before installation it should snap in lightly and not move around in the spring hole inner diameter. Double springs make it worse because the inner spring touches the retainer too.
😲🤔🤔 Yes I am aware those retainers came with the springs and cam. 😲
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Recently when taking pushrods out of the box Brew made a comment about if hardened pushrods really are hard.
Here's how to tell.
Get a good FMB (flat mill bastard) file and run it across each pushrod. If it scratches it, it is NOT hardened. Check your guide plates this way also.
One time I saw soft pushrods in guideplates and they wore almost through until they bent. Guess where all that metal went. JME 👍😎
BREW2L Have you ever done a video on re-charging your A/C compressor? I"m at that stage in my rebuild and i was hoping you may have a video or may consider doing a video showing us?
Hopefully you can finally sleep good knowing it's right and tight, sounds freaking awesome sir, thanks for the helpful info
Yes sir! slept like a baby last night lol
My babies always woke up every 2 hours😱😱
There is power to be had from optimizing your valve train. Those pushrods are garbage and the 3/8 stud is flexible. The budget may not allow it, but something to think about later.
How much preload did you put on lifter?
People are very unhelpful when it comes to car problems and sounds. People always seem to want problems to be no big deal. Had a knock in my 05 GT and couldn't find the problem. A dude who knows better seriously told me to throw in 40w oil and it will be good. Found out that I had a rolled cam lobe on cylinder 4.
Now I'm over here thinking I didn't adjust my guide plates correctly. Having a slight chatter still so thank you!
It sounds a hell of a lot better, yeah valve train noise is only letting you know that something isn't right, I have never and any problems with it on anything that I have built, I did hear a little noise on beans at first only when u held your head really close to the engine and it freaked me out but it cleared up and was probably a lifter not fully primed up but it was really quite and not as noticeable as they normally are they were the one's they came out with a few years ago in 2017 i think . So I knew that u had a little issue somewhere because I could hear it but it's fixed now and that was a great excuse to get a bigger cam as well because you know that is what some of the noise was coming from😉.................. 🤣😂🤣 i just watched a video where someone used those to put a cam in and next time I do a swap im going to get some of those as well. Ive got new valve springs on the way and going with 1.7 roller rockers because I ended up with some cheap springs that I thought was a all comp cams stuff and it was all but the springs and at the dyno my cam is supposed to pull to 6500 and it peaked 422rwhp at 5700 so there's more in it and Im going to get it all because im greedy and want all the power 😂🤣😂
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Was there evidence of the blue rocker edge touching the valve stem, or just slipping sideways? 🤔🤔
Unrelated community question 😁
What's the quietest performance mufflers?
I'm getting to old for the noise. 90 T5 mild build. Thanks guys.👍👍😎
Sounds good man!👍💪
I’ve got the same hydro lifters, and I’m curious, do you not prime your oil pimp to fill the lifters when you do work like this that drains everything?
Those adjustable guides best thing since sliced bread, they came with my afrs but not my edelbrocks
Loved the video....
My motor guy told me with hydraulic roller lifters the 50w oil is a little to heavy for them and should use a 40 or 30 but I say f@#$ that and I run the 20/50 as well bud
Don’t you just hate valve train noise? Way to figure it out and take us along for the ride! She sounds wicked now! 🦊
One nice thing about a FE motor the hole for the push rod is big enough to remove the lifters without removing intake that tool looks pretty handy to bad there wasn't some way to replace the lifter without removing intake I need to replace one put new lifters in and one is bad.
dam i just realized im lazy.....loving my stock mustang more and more every day i just turn key and go!!!!
Awesome work / VIDEO...Congratulations on your win !!! ✌😎
Good catch, I think I have a issue also in the valvetrain. Its noisy and down on some power.
5:00 that reminds me of "fishing" for chicken chokers. lol sticking a blade of grass down one of their holes and waiting on it to grab it
Great video lots of great info in it!!! Great job and the car sounds awesome!!! 💪🤘👍
I’m not sold on the fix.. I still hear it. Different from a rod knock and both your motors did it..
Trust me it’s gone now. It was a guide plate issue
@@BREW2LFOXBODY okay cool
Yes great job in finding out the problem, she is sounding so awesome, she should be a neck snapper now.
The other cool thing with these heads is that highport shaft rockers fit them perfect. There are great used sets everywhere.
Awesome man! I’m so glad you got it fixed! Love that Anderson can!
Dangit. Now I gotta go check my guide plates. Haha
Glad you got it right my man,and she is talking shit,lol!👈💯
Let the freon be free, lol. Yup my valve train is super quiet
Yup she's telling us all kinds of stuff
Now!
Sounds good now... Great job sticking with it.
Shew wee that 20/50 wouldent cut it up here on the cold winter north Carolina mountain mornings. Great video brother! I'm think about the n41 cam
I like the Mob1 10/30 with a cup of Lucas and the police car oil heater/cooler. Rarely gets below 20*. That oil heater really makes a big difference IMO.👍😎 Gets the oil temp up much much quicker.
Thats some slick stuff!!! Those lift tools ive never seen!!
Cam sounds real nice man! Thanks for the lesson!
VR 1 is all I put in my Race car's great stuff.
Hmmmm im going with a carb swap 88 5.0ho in my 79 and t5!! wanting a cam thats gonna talk alot of shit!!!🤣🤣🤣
Comp Thumpr is a shaker.
So jealous of that n412 cam 👌😅
What brand headers are you using on that car?
"She's talkin' shit now." 😂👍
That sounds wicked! That is such a cool car!
Good job on figuring that out! It does sound a lot better!
Sounds amazing great job
Another great video 👍🏻
Sounds great 👍
Where do you buy that high zinc oil? Never seen it anywhere
We add ZDDP additive from O'Reillys to synthetic oils in the flat tappet cars.
Recent experience has made me a Lucas believer. 1/2 quart in 10/30 synthetic Mobil1 in the Fox with police car oil cooler.
Great video
Epa will be seeing you soon!!!!😮😮😮😮😮
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@brew2l bro have some fun for me man!!!