Super Mario Sunshine - What Would Happen If We Stored One Million Rockets?
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- Would you guys be interested in a full, in-depth explanation of rocket storage and other vertical momentum conservation glitches? Let me know!
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What happens if you ground pound with undefined vertical momentum?
i didn't even think to try this haha. just tested it and it works as normal. nice catch!
It splits the world in half
It's common game practice to set undefined to mean exactly 0.
I’m here for the memes OOF
undefined shouldn't mean zero, undefined should just be undefined
100,000,000 rockets and mario fly off your gamecube
then he raids your fridge for milk
WaPepe that reference
HE NEEDS SOME MILK!
SilverRain and with milk
Little does RedDice know, if you swap the water with milk, Mario will go so high, he’ll end up on a random save file of yours.
The new speedrun strat for sunshine that skips the whole game and jumps to mario galaxy
Ok that was amazing
Mario Sunshine: Galaxy %
Very original
Me: *reads title* so that’s why he’s been gone so long
Yep.
Yah. Pretty much
But first we have to talk about parallel universes.
warspyking *parallel rocket nozzles
but talking about that would crash Paper Mario
You can storage multiple rockets,fly into space,wait 50 days to fall,finally fall,grab the Yoshi,float jump 2949 times,spin jump 19 times...
A N D Y O U S T I L L G E T T H E F R U I T B A C K ! ! !
ThatBrawl MarioMain
Where is this from, i recognize it but cant remember the video where its from.
Scykoh
You can throw your GameCube off a cliff, burn it with a lighter, drop a nuke on it, beat the disk with a lead pipe, crash Paper Mario 64, throw your controller in the fire, buy a new GameCube, do a 0.5 A press, never post a video in 2 years like come on Scykoh we need content please, and fill the GameCube with water until it overflows...
*A N D Y O U S T I L L G E T T H E F R U I T B A C K*
ThatBrawl MarioMain
Yup went on youtube, found his youtube channel, clicked on the sunshine glitchfest.....
AND I STILL GOT THE FRUIT BACK.
+ThatBrawl MarioMain Fruit is on a timer, in this game. After about a minute, the fruit despawns.
Well it wasn't exactly rocket science.
How does this comment have 5 likes and no replys?
Idk but there’s 3 verified comments in a row
Edit: the 3 comments are from Mayro, TetraBitGaming, and Pikapetey Animations
Nice
Literally!
But first, we need to talk about Rocket Storage.
But storing rockets for 12 hours isn't enough. Can this be solved with half of an A-Button press?
We need someone to evaluate Marios De Facto speed for the different amounts of Rocket storages in order to to evalute how many QPU he travels
LyokoWarrior91 An A press is an A press you cant say its only a half
A rocket is a rocket, you can’t say it’s only a half.
Storing one million rockets crashes Paper Mario
Even after you crash paper Mario, you *_still_* get the fruit back
I thought it was weird that MagicScru- I mean redfuzzydice had made such an unprofessional video, just a screenshot of Mario looking at a wall for so long.
Then he made a demonstration and nothing happened, and I figured out that TH-cam had locked the video but not the audio.
Thanks youtube
What a great entertainer he is.
@@sausagetuti shoutouts to
I was expecting the game to crash with a fatal error (buffer overflow? math error? floating point exception?) but apparently Mario Sunshine doesn't crash if you have too much momentum.
where is your profile pic from
ty pal
I'm actually curious. Which games have you tested crash when you edit the velocity to be really high?
so weird that I just watch this video - see your comment - and then see you comment again on the sm64 ocarina of time speedrun simpleflips vid
RFD POSTED A VIDEO?!?!?!?!?!?!??!
"Top 10 questions science still can't answer"
This is nuts haha
Can you do Super Mario 3D world lost bits pls?
Oh hey Tetra!
4:18 me
I can't believe mario is fucking dead
Mario fucking died. RIP.
Irl
Very nice. Don't give up on your dreams.
me on the left
*ROCKET MACHINE 🅱️ROKE*
UNDERSTANDABLE. HAVE A NICE DAY.
“This is a blast with 5 rockets.” *views island*
“This is a blast with 50 rockets.” *everything blue*
“And this... is to go... even further beyond! Huahhhhhhhhhh!” *Mario flies through sun*
One glitch I've been wondering about for a while and would love to see you tackle is *the out-of-bounds glitch in Noki Bay.*
There are a couple ways to get out of bounds there. One involves a springboard, and another is a spot where you can fall through the level geometry. I'm not going to try to detail them here, but you should be able to find them pretty easily online. But what's really interesting is how the game behaves if you take a rocket nozzle and try to walk around underwater.
The first interesting thing is that when you go near the pillars, it seems to adjust the game's water level based on your position. When you go near the top of a pillar and then move away, the game sets the water level at your position.
Another thing is that when you go toward where the ocean floor is much closer to the surface of the water, you run around really fast for some reason. Also, it seems you have infinite water when you're walking around underwater, unlike other underwater glitches which act just as if the water isn't there at all.
I can't fathom why the game would be doing these things, and would love to see someone who knows a lot more about the game's inner workings could take a look at it and see what the heck is going on there.
Nearly had a stroke when you started talking about undefined rockets.
Thrownblock Was the science too much for you to handle?
A rocket is a rocket, you can't say it's only undefined
Well Ran "dol" ipe. You can and here's how. Using a trick called "Rocket Storage" we can store up a seemingly unlimited amount of rockets for Mario to use. Now you might be wondering what we need all these rockets for. After all I do store up rockets for 24 hours, to answer that we need to talk about parallel universes. When Mario has enough speed he can enter a parallel universe (or PU) and get trapped in Gay Baby Jail, but if you look closely you would see that...It's Nathaniel Bandy.
I understood all of those references. I spend too much time on TH-cam.
1: This is a Regular Rocket
1,600: This is a Super Rocket
100,000: This is a Super Rocket that has Ascended a Super Rocket!
1,000,000: AND THIS.......IS TO GO EVEN FURTHER BEYOND!!!!!!
Does anyone know that its a dbz refrence?
Notyep Dranel:
Me. That line is originally from Goku when showing off SSJ3.
D MAS i know, but is it big enough?
I don't count? Ehh, sod it. Someone's bound to know. DBZ is pretty damn big I'd say.
10,000,000 will likely cause Mario to pierce the heavens
0:38 Mario stores his rocket jumps, and uses them la- ha- ha- HA- TER. Mario's so happy to jumping he can, because he's such a jumping guy-hy!
Shoutouts to unfunny memes
What a triumph is that!
1, 2 Oatmeal sucks
Cause he can't sing very well
1, 2 Oatmeal sucks
Because he cannot sing good
I don’t understand the “oh” between 2 and oatmeal.
Names
He tried to add another syllable to the word "oatmeal" so that it would go with the song
People said you needed a million dollar rocket, a heavy suit, people willing to sacrifice themselves, and millions of dollars of research, but studies show that you can also just use some nozzle thing and a lot of beer.
You kill mario
Mario goes to the shadow realm
I heard a rumor.......that if you rocket storage 1,000,000,000 times, then blast off, then ground pound immediately, and hit a man-hole cover PERFECTLY in the center, then jump back out at the PERFECT timing...... Mario will fly to the moon and let you play as Bowser until you shut off the console.
True story bro!
top 10 anime revivals
hahahahahaha
I tried rocket storaging the most possible without hacks (and without taking 2 years to store) and I got so high up, that I heard the underground sewer music somehow. Took 1 hour to get down to ground.
Joke comparing redfuzzydice with Pannenkoek2012
they NEED to do a collab, like a sm64 abc run vs sms abc run, and see who beats the game fastest and fewest a presses
or at this point, Skellux
Building up stored rockets for 15 minutes
The only thing is that we don't get PUs...
I think a full in-depth 'Rocket Storage' explanation would be great! It's probably not going to be an easy video to make, but it would definitely be useful for the audience.
I'm actually currently working on a 'Turbo Storage Possibilities' video, so if you were to publish your full explanation on the 'Rocket Storage' glitch before I publish my video, I could direct my viewers to your video before they watch mine.
I say this because I don't talk in my videos. Instead, I have a bunch of text files to write and edit which can become a huge hastle when working on large projects like that. :P
Inkstar Its like 2 steps
Get Nozzle
Go sidestep
Charge
Exit Sidestep before launch
To launch, go into sidestep and off a ledge.
Only works on some edges, results may vary.
Sorry, I didn't mean a 'tutorial.' I meant an explanation on how it works. :P
Why don’t you talk in your videos? It’s too simple to find a way to do so and something usually is better than nothing.
Idk. I guess I'm just not comfortable with my voice being on the internet. I like to keep anonymous to some extent.
Maybe in the future I'll do a reveal of some sort because it would be a lot easier if I spoke instead of wrote for the videos. :P
Technically, the result of storing infinite rockets wouldn't actually be NaN. Ignoring the fact that floating-point numbers actually do have a value corresponding to infinity (and it isn't NaN/undefined), you'll actually hit a limit sooner than you might expect.
Because floats are only so precise, and they get less precise as you go up, eventually, you'll inevitably reach a point where repeating rocket storage simply does not increase your speed any further. At this point, the gap between two consecutive floats is so large that the game will just always round back down to your current velocity.
By my testing, in this case, it happens when your speed reaches *1,073,741,824* (2^30), at which point further rockets just don't do anything. I wrote a short program to simulate repeated rocket storage, and found that, with the values the game was giving me at particular speeds, you'll reach this speed after *5,011,152 rockets* (give or take a few, since I didn't bother properly dealing with boundary conditions). This is effectively the same result as if you continued on to infinity, but fortunately for us, we get to stop after a finite amount of time.
But wait, we can go even further! This may be the theoretical limit on your speed, but there's also a more practical limit on how your speed can actually affect Mario. The vertical limit mentioned in the video occurs at Y = 10,000,000, and if Mario's Y position ever exceeds it, he's snapped back to this position and his vertical speed is set to 0. Because Mario's speed is expressed in units per frame, this means that there's no point increasing Mario's speed too far past 10,000,000; after this point, he'll always hit the vertical limit within a single frame. Modifying the program slightly, this seems to happen at *58,896 rockets.* Mario's speed will still be _increasing_ after this point, but it won't have any further meaningful effect.
If anyone is curious to see the code I used, please let me know; I'd post the link here, but I don't want to risk this entire comment getting hidden by YT's anti-spam...
what about infinity-1?
Might be a joke, but isn't that still a number in Hexidecimal? I get that 0x7FFFFFFF is undefined. is 0x7FFFFFFE? if so, what's the largest defined value we could use?
JediJess1 I thought exactly the same thing
About 3.8518597*10^-34. Bigger in floats isn't always bigger in binary.
Forgot about that. Ok.
@RedFuzzyDice With that in mind, What are some other limits of interest in this situation?
So the biggest number possible would be 0xFFFFFFFF ?
edit:
actually, i think 0x7FFFFFFE is the biggest number for a float. The first bit is the sign, right ? And a 0 means it's positive,
and 7 is 0111, so it's the biggest positive number is that right ?
Nope, the exponent bits (the 8 following the sign when the string is converted to binary) would have to be 0s, unless I'm mistaken.
But...
does this crash Paper Mario?
CarlosArt16 XD LOL
We need to build up rockets for 12 hours in order to crash Paper Mario.
Storing 1 Million rockets in Super Mario Sunshine crashes Paper Mario.
Yes.
But first, we need to talk about String Theory.
Storing rockets for 52733 years crashes paper mario
"To infinity... and BEYOND!"
Been a while. Love your content^^
Very straight forward. I love that. Subscribed!
So what I want to know is when you hit the top of the map how long does it take to fall back down?
I mean, what did you expect? That's why there's a skybox. I liked the end of the video though, where mario just gives up defeated in a act of self defiance when you dive.
Barfman1: Perhaps they were checking to see if there was a way to go beyond the skybox or something. :/
Nice to see you make videos again! Always entertaining and enjoyable to listen to you. Make more, please. lol
I love your Mario sun shine videos! They're always so cool! Thank you redfuzzydice!
Jesus that game looks good in 60fps
+coolguys2001 right? it's so pretty
redfuzzydice You're so pretty
4:20 Even in your worse and wildest nightmares you wouldn't believe that you witnessed a gay baby jail in Super mario sunshine
It can happen easily if you do EYG and you're not careful on the purple platform, actually
Shotouts to simpleflips?
420 haha funny number hehe haha I’m immature
4:17 lying on the ground in the middle of the city while faceless strangers pass you bye, a broken fountain spraying water over your body, staring up in the endless blue sky and on the verge of death from falling of the edge onto the unforgiving dock.
Now this, this is a mood
glad to see new vids from my boy
This is how super mario galaxy was made.
I don't know what you experienced in terms of return-to-earth time, but when experimenting with one version of the "unlimited hover nozzle" cheat, in which the timeout on all of the nozzles is disabled, allowing you to hold down the rocket nozzle and presumably accelerate indefinitely, I think I may have gone farther than what this video suggests is possible as far as the top of the map goes. At the highest, I was able to ground pound and fall for well over an hour before I'd even crossed back under the sun. Did you have similar results with this, or could I possibly have accelerated out of bounds?
Super cool to see you uploading! From the sounds of a few of your streams, it seemed you'd lost interest in videos, but I'm glad to see you haven't completely given up on uploading!
That part where Mario is falling toward the sun reminds me of a glitch I did when I was very little. I’ve been looking around for people replicating it, but you’re the closest I’ve found.
You're gonna enter a vertical PU lol
So, we're back?
Mario sunshine babyyyyyy
Wilfred Cthulu hi
ThatCrappyCommentary lol hey
Wilfred Cthulu howdy
ThatCrappyCommentary Greetings
I've been doing experiments with that mechanic as well but I used the Action Replay Code for Super Jump to reach the highest point in the game instantly. I wanted to find out how long it takes for Mario to fall back down to the ground...it took him about 70 minutes. Considering the maximum speed Mario can reach because of the aerodynamic resistance is about 200 km/h (125 mp/h), that means the maximum height he can reach is about 235 km (145 miles). Since he can reach that height with the shown mechanics in only about 1 second, that means he is flying up with a speed of about 840,000 km/h (525,000 mp/h). Temperatures 200 km up in the sky can vary between 500°C and 2,000°C (932°F and 3632°F). About 9 km ( 5.6 miles) before landing you start to see a little cloud of smoke over the volcano before the island slowly gets visible again. You can read about these stupid facts in my "0 subscriber special" that has been clicked 5 times by now. :D
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I literally thought this was an old video about super mario sunshine glitches and tricks. It doesn't matter thank you for this video
AND WE STILL GET THE FRUIT BACK!!!!
You would be Kim Jong Un
MLCrafter81
Best comment ever.
MLCrafter81
Best comment ever.
MLCrafter81
Best comment ever.
Vortexium
Stil best comment ever.
Who needs the odyssey when you have a water pack and a great imagination
I’m a rocket man! Rocket man! Burning all his fuel out here alone!!
Game Theory: Magicscrumpy is Redfuzzydice?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!!!!/
i know
that's the joke
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SparkBag
You forgot to make the names in all caps.
(SparkBag) Magicscrumpy is cool, but redfuzzydice is just a copycat who sounds like him and copies his humor. Magicscrumpy should put him down.
Does the coarseness of floats eventually limit the amount of momentum you can get from rocket storage?
The fact is that "Undefined" means void, null or, in some cases, zero. So basically mario did the jump animation without momentum, so he remained at ground (zero)-level. Shooting a rocket reset his momentum. Diving with undefined momentum meant that he would do the landing animation upon reaching height 0, which was also the jumping one, so it basically just swapped animations mid-jump
I love how thorough you are dude holy shit
A new video?! It's been like- 2 months!
Oh wait...
What if you managed to use fludd abilities as Yoshi? IDK if a vid on it would be possible without hacking
This was very interesting, thank you! :)
It's so cool seeing the whole island from a different perspective
*NOT ADVERTISER FRIENDLY*
*nintendo can ad on this*
What if you set the value to one less than the maximum? Would you just hit the top immediately?
He said in the video that after ~1,600 rockets stored the result started looking same-y.
True. I just wanted to know if the maximum defined momentum would cause something else to bug out or if it would act as expected. Weird things can happen with very large numbers like that.
That brown Pianta must be thinking of something every time he sees Mario's rocket shenanigans
Awesome video, subbed
1,2 I can fly
I believe i can flyyyy!
jolitero K E R B Y I S A P I N K G U Y
1,2 I can fly
I need.morw of this game in my life . Some Levels really sucked but most of the game is brillant
4:27 Looks like Mario is having nightmares... He's trying to sleep but can't lol
-peach: Mario I'm pregnant
-Mario:
Well try to do it in 0.5 A presses 😏
So essentially, this is how you get into gay baby jail
I guess Mario was so high he couldn’t get off the ground at 4:20.
You were so preoccupied with whether or not you could, you didn’t stop to think if you should.
Make sunshine viable
Kenny Put it on the Virtual Boy/Wii U then boom its sales are viable
Sike
Hello, I’m from the future and I’ve come to tell you Sunshine has been reborn on the Switch.
Assuming this is a standard 32 bit float, 0x7FFFFFFF is NaN, not the largest number you can do which would be infinity 0x7F800000. You should really update the description or add annotations as you're spreading misinformation.
Tyler _
???
Do you npt get the point of the comment?
0x7F800000 (infinity) > 0x7FFFFFFF (undefined)
And
x > y => x != y
He’s not saying infinity = undefined
Technically your comment is incorrect because 7FFFFFFF (in Hex) is larger than 7F800000 (Infinity). But the issue is...
How can a number be bigger than infinity?
This is why it is undefined and not infinity. There is no such number bigger than infinity. What redfuzzydice should have done is set the value to 7F800000.
(Keep in mind though that this infinity is not the real infinity. It is a real number, it is just so big that the float automatically makes it infinity. It is similar how google calculator will automatically make numbers larger than 1.0x10^309 (or over 3 googol's) infinity)
Also, technically infinity can never be a number since we can take any number that we 'think' is the biggest, and add an extra zero to it.
And in case anyone is wondering why 7FFFFFFF is larger than 7F800000 in some cases and in other cases is smaller. We need to know what undefined means.
First things first, undefined does NOT mean Infinity. So if 7F800000 was not treated infinity, than yes, 7FFFFFFF would be larger.
But because nothing can be larger than infinity, and 7FFFFFFF is larger that infinity (7F800000), 7FFFFFFF is treated as not a real number (Similar to a divide by 0 error).
This technically means that Mario has no velocity in either direction, which is why he floated in the air after falling off the edge. The game does not know which way Mario is to go since it has no number to use. But the second you update the velocity (Like using the rocket), a new number gets placed in the address. Thus, Mario now flies upwards.
I just posted a comment about this, but because it's relevant here I'll put it here again:
"Actually, 0x7FFFFFFF isn't really "infinity", it's just basically what you get when you divide by zero. It's NaN, literally "not a number". The floating-point format, however, does have values that correspond to both positive and negative infinity, and those are 0x7F800000 and 0xFF800000.
Neither of them are particularly interesting in this case, though. Positive infinity is basically just what you see in the video, and negative infinity, oddly, just makes Mario fall at about terminal velocity until he hits the ground, which is weird because much smaller finite values (like -10000) will make him immediately fall through the floor out of bounds."
god who gives a SHIT im just here to watch mario fly off into space not a fuckin maths lesson
Yes, i'm interested in a full in-depth explanation!
Absolutely awesome !
I didn't store anywhere near 500, but I did store a fuck ton, launched, and then waited to see how long it would take for mario to fall back down to land.
It was literally over an hour of falling.
When he's falling with the sun below him for some reason, it reminds me of this one time I was playing Mario Sunshine and I got shocked by those electric koopas and for some reason I was just instantly in this state of falling with the sun below me and I was like "Where am I!? What happened?!"
I know this is a few months late, but I have to say it. Old games like sunshine usually have a set thickness to the ceiling. Also, the way momentum works is by teleporting the object (Mario) in the momentum’s direction, then recalculating the momentum based on gravity and other factors. What I’m saying is that if you go fast enough, say infinity - 1, you might be able to move vertically more distance in one frame than the thickness of the ceiling, essentially just taking advantage of this game’s lack of line based clip detection. I have no clue what would happen after, but that is a possibility.
Nah, basically any value you can set it to will result in the exact same outcome. Even setting it to the highest possible finite value (0x7F7FFFFF, or about 3.403 * 10^38) or literally infinity (0x7F800000, which is a special value that corresponds to positive infinity) will just make Mario immediately hit the top of the world and then start falling just like the video.
My guess is that it's not actually a ceiling he's hitting, but instead the game is just programmed to never allow Mario to go above a certain Y value.
This is so silly and I love it so much
"Mario will bonk, and HE WILL NOT GET UP." RIP Mario.
Watch till very end when Mario just lays on his back waiting for game to restart he even peeks over several times to see if your going to restart the game
This video is amazing quality
Mario at the end:
*I have fallen and I can't get up!*
*Blinks*
We interrupt redfuzzydice to bring you the new mario galaxy game
These are the type of questions that need to be answered I mean honestly I couldn't sleep at night not knowing what would happen if you charge up a million Rockets
Just love how you go over the sun with so many rockets.
Legend has it that Mario's still stuck there to this very day.
A worthy successor to backwards long-jumping
storing one million rockets causes mario to crash into the ceiling so hard that it creates a hyperdimensional shockwave, which resonates throughout the entire mario timeline and crashes paper mario
1600 rackets. That’s how much it takes for an Italian plumber to reach the limits of the sky with a jet pack.
Didn’t know about this until now and I’ve had this game since it came out lol
Man you love sunshine
You're back :)
Happy new year to the viewers and to the Red Fuzzy Dice!
Mario: Help me, Peach, I've fallen and I can't get up!
Ground pounding from that high should cause craters, explosions, etc like real meteor impacts
Facts.
Should at least level Delfino Plaza if nothing else.
But the real question is what’s Mario speed when he does a Ground Pound, does he accelerate or stay constant?
"The limit as x approaches infinity..." 3:45
Basically, the same concept. You'll approach it but will never reach infinity
What happens, hm? You traverse every parallel universe possible. Once that's over, you've entered another galaxy. And once _that's_ happened...?
You go out and do something productive.
Yeah, give us that explanation, because I completely forget rocket storage and every other vertical glitch I previously memorised