Why People Sell the Suzuki DR650
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- Out on the maiden voyage setting up the new Warpig and got to thinking about the awkward setup the previous owner was trying to deal with. Riders trying to get along with the "last guys" suspension or not setting a balanced chassis may not only be knocking people out of the sport... it can be downright dangerous.
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I purchased my DR650 to explore the world of motorcycling, both on the streets and in the woods. The affordable price was a significant factor since I didn't want to spend a substantial amount like $19,000-$20,000 upfront. Now that I've discovered my passion for motorcycling, it has opened the door to trying out various other bikes without breaking the bank as I begin my motorcycle adventure. The DR650 is a very solid option.
How has it been ?
Lol, you’re doing Gnarly, washed-out, rock ridden clay, while casually talking as if you’re leaning against the kitchen counter, sipping a coffee. 😂
BADGER !!!!!
there was a couple moments I had to concentrate there!
@@SKIDSnSTUFF 😆 I’d be so proud of myself if I did a third of your “dialling in the suspension” ride.
Speaking of which, going by the teknik spread sheet my front forks are too stiff and the rear is under sprung 😕 Feels ok to me but this is my 1st bike so buggered if I know how the suspension is “supposed to feel”?
@@pilotdane1 hey bro. 😏
@badgermcblasty3334 spose to hold you up but also move under your weight inputs. Clear as a pigs bath water?
It's because of Skids and people like Skids (the rest of us) that make me glad to be a DR owner. It's basically the most slept on bike that has the MOST capability. You can leave it stock and enjoy it as is, you can turn it into a bad boy and enjoy it. It's just the best bike in my opinion. The only time I don't fancy them is when somebody on a sport bike passes me in first gear and I'm in fifth 😂
Go for sixth, I know you did!
Looking for 6th
I bought mine in 96 and still have it. First time on the highway I was looking for 6th and it wasn’t there. I thought it was broke til I looked at the shift pattern by the shifter. 😮
It's not slept on at all. It has a massive following. People that don't want it, don't want it because it's heavy and not very refined and powerful.
100% nailed it…once the suspension is sorted it is a completely different machine.
Suspension is tuned for a riders weight so if you buy somebody else’s bike…it’ll probably be wrong.
Also…people screw up preload too much, which makes the bike harsh to ride. Better with right spring and minimal preload.
Another great video 👍🏻😁
Bejesus you can ride! 😁
Good points thanks for dropping in!
@@outdoorfun8780 180lbs is 80 kgs. The DR is designed around a 75 kg rider, which is why you have no issues. I'm 100kg and I carry a bigger fuel tank. Suspension is specific to the weight of the rider and machine and luggage. My suspension is prefect now...and I can't keep up with anybody. 😀
@@SKIDSnSTUFFloved the log jump 😊👍 you should make a Short from it 😀
The next time a non DR 650 owner tells me my DR is too heavy for the woods, I will show him this video.
Thanks
Mine will be 20 years old come 2025 and I bought it new. Has been an awesome bike. Had regular servicing, carby replaced once and the head bearings just recently. New hoses and the oil cooler mounts welded up after a boar snapped it off altogether. Had the bolt in the rear suspension put in the higher ground clearance hole when it was put together, she's heavy but a good sled. Good riding there mate. Will check out Tekniks as I'll never sell the bike.
Your video was the best testimony to this machine I have ever seen.
Thank you!
Bad suspension on any motorcycle can literally wear you the hell out , even more so on a off road bike .most people are oblivious that they have to change thier suspension for rider and what they will be using it for .I think a lot of people give up for this very reason .
exactly
Finally someone that doesn't just assume every forum is right about everything. We've had a few DR's and the only reason we ended up selling them was for long road trips and we can't afford having 2 of each because my wife rides her own DR to. Anyways that bike is very capable stock. I always look for low mileage with a free upgrades so that i can sell the upgrades to make the bike cheaper overall. Last 2 DR's had TM40 and TM42 on them and i couldn't stand them and fuel mileage was out the window. Sold then for over$500 each and never looked back. Great channel and way of thinking to keep it simple and reliable. Keep on riding and *T4S*
Mint as Seb, living the dream 😀
What's preferrable? I'm looking for a first bike capable of cross-country, all-terrain trips.
You’re a beast of a skilled trail rider! Would love to learn the same skills 🤩
You can do it!
You make it look so easy.
Awesome video
Thank you! Cheers!
I'm really enjoying your videos, makes me want to get a dr650 and try offroading for the first time.
I Just purchased a DR 650 in stock condition rode it a few times stock so i can see the changes, I defiantly won't go drastic on carbs air box all that type of stuff, really looking forward to getting the front suspension done. Ill also be doing the rear small tweaks bit by bit so I can see the difference. Thanks!!! for all your videos love the technical simple style.WAY TO GO
Sounds like you're all over it like shit on a plunger! Enjoy
How do you find the seat. Do they still feel like sitting on a plank of wood after half an hour. I was kinda glad when the bike was stolen of me.
Put springs in the front and pull the snorkel, then call it a day. This bike runs way better and smoother with just the snorkel out.
I've had and rode many bikes, not as many as some. I'll say this, I agree with the tm40 carb mileage, though I must say, its not terrible.
It still in my mind justifys the minut gain in torque delivery, though admittedly I never personally screwed enough with the stock bst to the point where I couldn't have squeezed more out of it.
I will say that when I swapped my front forks to the showa 40's off a 2003 rmz450 and re did the valving thats what really made riding it a beast.
Before I would hit small rocks and such with the Stock forks and feel like I was constantly pinching a tire at high speeds.
I've even gotten flats, never liked nitro Moose on a road/ off road bike. Anways it made the ride way more competent, I could go faster and more aggressive with the bike.
I dont ride as technical as this guy, he is fantastic. But I do scoot on my Dr. Next is the rear cogent Mohave. Ya, I could do with a re valved setup, or I different donor. But if you're gonna drop the cash on anything it should be suspension.
@doublex632 do you turn out the fuel mixture screw a bit?
Every bike out there, everyone says the same thing...."needs the suspension changed" like a broken record. The DR650 is fine for the novice rider in the trails they can tackle. If you're an advanced rider and rip through rocky trails at 25mph+ then yeah...you're gonna need a suspension upgrade.
I could not agree more. Nice plush suspension that is firm compared to the Honda CRF300L I owned.
Great video showcasing your mad skillz and the super versatile DR.
As a newbie rider (and Perth local DR rider) I find it tricky to know how suspension is suposed to feel. I took my dr to endurotech so hope that he set it up as good as it can be. Also have the technics forks mod. Still cant ride like you though... haha.
Craig would take care of it pretty well! Main thing is to have the bike balanced well front to rear.
For a newbie rider the stock suspension is fine for an experienced rider the stock suspension is fine for a pro the stock suspension is fine but they can tell u how to make it better the saying 20% bike 80% rider is true way to many spend way to much on unnecessary shit
@@SKIDSnSTUFFPeople spring their bike for gear, and it makes them a board. I'm 170 pounds IDC about gear it gets springs for my weight. Id rather it move than be a board or kick the rear wheel on everything. The Dr is a great bike you showed it's capable as the rider, but most people just need to ride more and learn.
I think another reason is people eventually get caught up in the marketing hype for newer bikes especially with the rise of content creators
Nice vid, good tips.
I had the same DR for 15 years. Well sorted it was a great bike.
Thanks 👍
For me it's the carb. Everybody is saying it's easy but it's my first bike and I have zero mechanic knowledge. Bought brand new to be able to learn slowly. Read forums all the the time. The BST-Bible. Can't never figure my problems. 40k in 2 years.
Now it's shutting down agressively for 1 second while I drive ON/OFF at random moments. Safety switchs are removed, brand new sparkplug, air/fuel screw is set, everything is stock. Always something even though it's suppose to be the easiest bike to work on.
I love it but there's never an end. Very happy to have found your channel!
Damn dude, that sucks, what temps and elevation are you at?
Ive run three 3 DRs all with carb, box, pipe, dead stock only a little turned out on fuel air screw and couldn't be happier with how they run. But I'm not far from sea level and mild temps.
Fuck BST bible
I bought a dr650 and could never get it to run right with the carb, endless fucking around with it. Sold it, was my dream bike for a long time but I owned it for 7months and never took it out of the burbs because it was always had so many problems I didn’t trust going bush.
If your just learning, my recommendation is skip the forums like BST bible , and read litrature on carburators , ignition ,mechanics , small engines etc in general. Get a really solid understanding on how this stuff works so you can diagnose problems yourself, you'll then read forums like bst bible and have a chuckle because everything is so obvious if you just look at whats infront of you on your work bench. If your reading forums to try and solve your problems your really only just poking around in the dark
This is why efi is superior. Better in every single way and there’s no tinkering you need to do
@@CollinMac96 Can you tell me more?
So many people take the "she'll be right" path and not play with suspension or settings and miss out on so much. I have a late model KTM 690 with great suspension but it wasn't until I softened off my settings to match my trail speed and dropped the triple clamps by 4mm through the forks did the bike feel comfortable and confident in the sketchy trails.
Always worth that little extra effort ay! The DR is particularly crappy if the springs are too stiff or un balanced due the the non existent valving in the stock unit
great talk. i would like a dr. right now i have a 05 crf 250x.
i love this bike !
I was very impressed with your riding skills. Awesome stuff. Thumbs up and subscribed because of it. Thank you.
Cheers
nice discussion. getn old myself, thinkin of somethin smaller like a DRZ400.
I redid the suspension on my first doctor (new springs all around, emulators in the forks and a gold valve in the shock) and it rode like a dream. I did the same to my new dr but it came out way too stiff. Now I feel like Morty after Rick showed him "true level"
SKIDS !!! - Another great video !!! - Always love watching you ride !!!!
Thanks again!
The one or two, in my case, bikes I will never sell, are my 2 DR 650s, one is 18 years old the other 9 years old, both bought new.
I don’t use them for single track, mainly bitumen and dirt road touring type stuff, one has the suspension done and a few bits added, the older one is basically stock apart from running a TM 40 carb, it has done 500,000 Klms and worn out 2 carbs, the stocker and a TM 40, the TM 40 was cheaper to buy than a stock replacement and it was swapped between my 2 bikes so done a shed load of kilometres.
My 9 year old bike is being shipped over to Europe and will be getting ridden all over there, I could have bought a bike in Europe but what can you get that will be better than a DR 650 ? Especially one that is set up for travelling.
After a total of 18 years and 800,000 klms the DR 650 is the best bike I have owned, I am 63 and ridden bikes for over 40 years both off and on road, and ridden almost every day, rain hail or shine, the cheapest, reliable bang for buck out there bar none.
Sounds like you're doing it right!
Never owned a bike before. Stuck between dr650 vs DRZ400. Not sure which one to go for. Looking to explore Idaho’s backcountry forest roads
@@jsf8145 tough one to say which bike would suit your needs, the 650 is heavier but the seat is lower and the engine is less revs, the 400 is lighter but a lot taller in the seat and the engine revs harder.
If you plan just to ride dirt roads and maybe longer 2 or 3 day trips the 650 will carry gear easier, for just day rides with a bit of harder riding the 400 would be better, the 400 I’d a lot more trail oriented, the 650 more dirt and asphalt road.
If you have long legs get the 400, it is better for beginners to learn on and try more off road IMHO.
I just bought a 400 and so far I do like it but at 5’9” it is tall.
@@whitedrguy6503 appreciate the food for thought. Will keep this comment in mind. I’m about 6’1”
I’m leaning more towards the 400 due to its lighter weight and the fact I don’t desire to spend much time on the busy highways. I don’t really care to ride over 50 mph on backcountry roads, hitting a deer, etc. I just want to cruise 30 mph and explore forest roads in the backcountry Idaho with my fly rod for short day trips sight seeing, etc.
Thanks Skids, best DR advice around cheers mate!
Any time!
Your blessed with great tracks there
Yes we are
Had mine for 7 years.,,,sold it because it was heavy and I have leg issues,,,still have a dr 200.
I've got to do the suspension on my bike its dangerous the way it is now, Im not even going to bother with the stock front forks, I'll find a set of 48mm MX forks like of a crf yzf or rm etc, then get the lot tuned in one hit. Even if you buy a ktm your still mucking around with the suspension. When owning machines like the DR you really need to be mechanically inclined, the goes for vintage bikes which the DR really is. I get as much out of working on/building bikes as I do riding them, that is the person who the DR really suits.
That's funny, I can't stand working on bikes which is why I ridethe DR
@@SKIDSnSTUFF I totally get that, but there is a difference between constantly repairing an unreliable over complicated dog, and fine tuning a machine you love
Yew ,another Bush Pig to fettle.. Sweet as mate. Thanks for bringing us along.
You bet, thanks for watching
Dual sport bikes are the most fun bikes. I've owned sport bikes and high end ADV bikes but nothing beats a cheap Japanese dual sport.
Not wrong!
The 606 is fine, it's got a pretty stiff sidewall, doesn't seem to want to slip around the rim too easily, so lower the tyre pressure down a fair bit, makes a big difference.
My considered opinion is most people run too much pressure in tyres, front and rear, it's the best way to achieve maximum grippage across a range of conditions.
PS, Techniks are an awesome suspension firm, been around a long time, a wealth of experience.
I find the opposite, people attempting to fix bad suspension with flat tyres. I don't run low pressures unless in deep dry sand, just feels wallowy and prone to smashing rims
Great video Champ!
Appreciate it!
Not even half the skills of you, but I ride my DR on very similar trails (I do usually find a way around the logs). The Cogent front valve and rear shocks seem to work perfect for me. This is good since my eyes generally glaze over when suspension adjustment theory is discussed...hurts my head.
Thanks for sharing!
churr bro another good vid!! south west WA represent yew yeww. Im in Australind, hopefully get out to Welli Dam in the next few days for scoot, need some thicker gloves first i went for a ride yesterday and my hands almost snapped off when i got home ha
Good spotting! Oh yeh i feel ya, i wear some puffy hiking gloves if I head out early
Excellent video, thanks for sharing. Cheers
Oh man...I need to adjust my suspension for the drz400...
You are god tier at trail riding man holy smokes I would be way too scared to do half the stuff you're doing casually. I aspire to get as good as you on my dr650. My problem is how do I know your sag is off, my bike is set for a 250 lbs with cogent suspension and i am 220-230 lbs should I change it at all, does it make a difference how would I be able to say "oh yes I need to adjust X and it will be much better" I am just too inexperienced to know that sort of thing
You should be about in the ballpark if both springs are rated to that weight and you have revalved. Google "DR650 Sag" or even suspension sag in general to get a better idea. Problem is once the DR is set up with luggage gear etc the static sag can be way off, but just shoot to get your ride sag decent and balanced front to rear
@@SKIDSnSTUFF I sat on a bone stock 23 today and wow my suspension absolutely dunks on the stock set up I am glad I got one with all the work done to it already
Okay - now you’re just showing off! 😂😂😂
I've always had the Honda's, the 500cc first in 84 or 5, then the 600, never owned one of them, then the XR650L and never had the XR650R either. But the Dr was always to much street for me to really enjoy! But I'm almost 20yrs since i could abuse a bike. I became disabled in 2003. But i can still balance a bike, and promised the wife not to ride alone. So the DR might be ok! But that 25lbs, and shit suspension might be the decider!..lol..from Wyoming USA 🇺🇸 👋🤠 but man, i can save a bundle buying the big Suzi!! I'm still 6'5"tall nowadays, only 180lbs no muscle left! If you like rotary/Wankle thing's I have a Wankle Suzuki RE5 1975 model!
1:20 that was pretty nice.
I detest the D606, and suspect you're not gonna enjoy it. Great tyre for an average trail plodder, horrible when you push even mildly.
I have a feeling I will too
I sold mine and my Brother inlaws(I rode it far more than he did) because of vibration, heavy(not many light 650's), rubbish suspension $$$ for Ohlins and by far the poor ergonomics(foot peg to seat and bar measurements)
probably the nicest suspension of any bike Ive owned
My first DR I put plex valves in forks, could never get them right, Tekniks Platinum valves I put in my current DR are way better for plushness and compliance
thats interesting, Ive always assumed all those emulators would perform more or less the same as each other. cheers for the info
@@SKIDSnSTUFF im only guessing but i think the reason the teknik work better (plusher more compliant) is because he has designed them to work with very light oil and when you install then with correct very light oil the existing damper rods don’t do much damping and its all done by the drop in valve
Great vids brother! I've been wondering what's your personal favorite carb set up on your DR?
BST, pumper....?
Stock
maybe you wouldn't mind giving us a walkthrough of what it is you are "looking for" when riding. Im a novice and an old guy so likely will never reach your skill, but, id love some tips on how to properly set up a bike suspension. As i ride the DR as well (though mine is stupidly heavily modded... TM40, Full Exhaust, Brittania Fairing, Cogent Mojave Pro/Cogent EMUs, Str8 Rate Spring, and much much more...) it would help to get tips from a rpo like you. Though nicely equipped and in great shape, I bought it used and don't know what to look for in correctly setting this beautiful machine up. Would be cool if you could explain the little details that you are thinking about in terms of ride feel and what to do about it.
Too delve right into the specifics would just be me dribbling shit for an hour or else the info would only be applicable to my setup and usage.
You will find there are plenty of other resources for a general outline on suspension setup
Everything you're saying sounds correct to me, the reason why I say sounds is because I honestly have no idea cause I'm a new rider. With that being said, how do I know if my suspension is out of whack as a new rider. I'm looking at buying a DR today, and I'm coming off of a CRF250l Rally with notoriously bad suspension. Is it as "simple" as making sure it's sprung correctly for my weight and the sag is correct for my weight.
Experienced people like yourself are able to know when something is off because they know how it should feel. But if I don't really have a baseline for how it should feel, I'm not sure how to know if something is wrong. Any thoughts?
if its sprung for your weight you will be pretty close, if you then get revalved rear and emulators front then the bike can feel as good as any bike.
What sag and fork height do you find works for you?
I've been making improvements to mine, but am finding the short travel in the rear makes it hard to decide how stiff (collapsing vs too stiff).
*And I absolutely had to rip off the bar risers the previous person added.* They might be fine for standing tall on a light gravel road, but made it hard to get weight far enough for actual off-roading and made it hard to avoid arm pump.
hmm not sure, somewhere around 80mm ride sag, will hafta check n get back to ya. I go by feel and find it differs due to a lot of variables.
you dont happen to be running 44/15 with stock chain length?
Yikes, I went way too stiff on the front. 0.65 rate fork springs, big tank, 80kg rider, another 10-20kg in gear and rear luggage bag. I did have progressive rate springs, but I don't think I adjusted my emulators properly either. I have an 8.1 cogent Mojave which seems to be decently in range when I'm loaded up, still a bit stiff. At least c+r is adjustable on it. I did the race tech cartridge emulators on the front and it was a huge pain to install. Feel like I should have kept it stock or just upped the rate slightly
yeh gone a little heavy but she'll be right mate! :) you're laughin anyway, having that shock with adjustable rebound is mint!
They've had the best, now they wanna try the rest.
we all gotta learn from our mistakes :)
Any opinnion on how the freewind handles? I've been told it's a dr650 with a comfy seat, bigger tank and some plastics?
Had to google it, don't think we have them here, but Id have one in the garage
I’m buying a dr 650 hoping it will be less buzzing then my drz400
Well is it less buzzy?
@@tobynewman5450 less buzzy for sure and way more torque
@@jonsmith9708 thank you for the reply.
I bought a drz and was hoping I could take it everywhere, but doing 65 on the highway just isn't fun.
Really looking forward to grabbing a dr650.
I'd like to see you do that ride on a KLR650! 😅
People mostly move on from the DR because they want to look cool on a GS when they show up at the coffee shop. Cool people ride DR650's, posers ride other bikes....lol. Obviously, there are better dual sports from KTM, KTM sub-brands, and the Honda 450RL. But they come at a financial and reliability cost. I would love to have a 450RL or a 500 EXC-F. They are better, but still not perfect stock. I think I'm going to sell my VFR800 and 250xc and get the VSTROM 800DE for longer, less technical adventure riding. The DR still gets me in and out of the deep woods. Sometimes dragging a broken down KTM or GS.
My 1st bike is the DR. I’ve Had it for two years now. I love it more than the day I bought it. Such a great platform, I’ve pimped the shit out of it, it’s ready for the apocalypse adventure ride from hell!
ahha nice! Couldnt agree more :)
crf450l/rl is a massive flop, it lacks the power of the 450x it replaced and still has the reliability issues and short maintenance intervals. it's still got all the shortcomings of a 450 play bike small fuel tank, no subframe and they stall at idle easily.
I have a well set up DR...I call bull..... on your comment about dragging a GS out. I have a GSA 800 Adventure...A brilliant bike.
I want one! Haha sick vid mate 👊
get on it!
Do you have any recommended videos for setting sag on the DR? I’ve seen plenty for road going vehicles, but none for dual sport bikes.
Thats a track for small trail bikes
yeh the logs jumps are on a new bit of single track near home
Im a very light rider at 59 kilograms, do you think the stock suspension would be alright for me? I like to have my fun but i definitely dont ride as agreessive as you. Thank for another great video!
Yep I reckon that could work just fine for you. Crank the rear shock compression clicker all the way in, add preload spacer to fork until about flush, 140 -130mm air gap of 15W oil, and set rear preload to suit. I find this fine even for my riding at 75kgs, it's only when loaded or hitting whoops I really NEED the upgrades.
For you i'd suggest first stage mods as in this video
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I'll give that a go! Thank you very much I appreciate you taking the time to comment
What happened to the War Pig brus?
Semi retired. She's going to rest with the next lucky shredder
So, why did you sell the other two? I have yet to buy the same bike twice. Too many to try.
🌟2018🌟
Congrats 🤘 🤘 🤘 🤘 🤘
Hey whatcha running for the sprockets these days?
44/15 fo lyfe
Hey boss you ever try usd forks on a dr?
nar I like the plush stock fork, great action with emulators and springs, what more could ya want
Im just about to get my RE license and it honestly looks like nothing comes close to this bike unless i get an enduro which will need lots of maintenance or in 2 years i can get my R license and own a 690/701 and deal with the reliability issues aha
Are there any other bikes i should be looking at before i pull the trigger? A used DR is selling for the same price as a new bike since they stopped selling them in Australia which doesn't make it feel like a good buy even if it's the better bike 😕
Keep an eye out and decent deals come up for kitted out DRs. This is prolly the best option if it fits yours needs, other possibilities I'd be eyeing are DRZ400, CRF300, WR250r
Thanks for the reply and suggestions. I've looked at both the drz and crf in person. The drz build quality seems far superior but just worry I'll hate using it on the freeway compared to the dr and crf.
My biggest concern with the crf is the power to weight ratio in sand. I'm in WA and the sand can be very soft that I think it would be more work than fun with that bike
Soon I'll be able to test ride bikes which will help 🙂
“Y people sell their dr’s”
> buys 3 😂
I think people over think and over spend money on suspension instead of just spending time in the saddle learning how to ride them properly then the misso says ya need to sell that bike and instead of saying I'd rather a divorce they sell them
I know what I'd be doing :)
Now where did I put my lube
@@SKIDSnSTUFF I rode before I rode her she knows my motorcycles are the loves of my life the hd and dr stay
Where is this in WA?
Near Mornington
@@SKIDSnSTUFF cheers
If they are so bad why did you keep coming back to the DR
That's not what I'm saying in this video at all
I always get a laugh when people try to turn the DR650 into something it's not ....😁 Almost like they think they know more about building bikes than Suzuki .... LOL !🤣
Mundaring area?
Down near Mornington
@@SKIDSnSTUFF cheers mate. I attempted Dwellingup to Mornington but ran out of time. Ended up doing the captain fawcett track.
The drz is a noticeably better adv bike
Nope
@@SKIDSnSTUFF ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Wow that accent is brutal
Ffs I was looking at one to A have transportation when my wife takes the car. B go down gravel roads to snorkel at beaches that might be too rough for my Honda pilot, or when my wife has the pilot. This guy is talking through trails harder than anything I’ve ridden in my life! So yeah I’m going to assume this will do! ( have to carry my 5 year old and snorkeling gear for two)