@@bushpig6837 just the front ones wear for me. I buy good ones from procycle. They just start warping eventually oem did too. Rears last the life of the chain ~. I don't feel like replacing a countershaft either. Not as big of an issue on a DR with a cush drive but you never know
As a DR owner, I think your review was brutally honest and 100% spot-on. Good video. 👍 God bless you, and I wish you many miles of safe, enjoyable riding. ✝️
Nice review of a legendary motorcycle. Spot on that the aftermarket for the DR650 is as large as any vehicle ever made. Mine is set up for more dirt than street. I have two sets of wheels and tires for more road or more dirt.
I’ve just watched your video for the second time, because I’ve purchased a DR650 since last time I watched. Rat’s because I can’t give you a second like on TH-cam. Thanks for your review.
I have one from 1998 here in Finland. Suzuki stopped selling them in Europe at 2001, because emission regulations. Mine has 80,000 kilometers and still going strong. Bought it 2 years ago, it was still stock then. I have modified it heavily, because I like tinkering as much as riding. And there is a huge aftermarket support for this bike.
I love this detailed, long term review. Thanks for posting your experiences. I just picked up a 2018 model with ~2,500 miles on it for $4,100. The original owner had already installed a jet kit, airbox mod, Hayabusa exhaust mod with custom mid-pipe, upper chain roller delete, cargo racks, bar risers, lowered pegs, and this amazing LED headlight. After driving it 200 miles home, I'm definitely looking for a seat upgrade, but this thing is a hoot to drive. I did test drive a 2012 model that had all the other common mods *except* power mods (oddly enough). It had 28K miles and it sounded like a box of wrenches when it started and ran. I'm glad that I found the one I found though. It's replacing my 4-season commuter, the venerable Honda PCX 150. I still have my SV1000S when I want to carve, but this DR just puts a smile on my face around town and on the gnarly back roads. Again, great LT review!
Excellent review, thanks. I rode the heck out of two of them, then switched to an XR650R, which I don't like- it's too high-strung, so I'm selling it. Just closed the deal on my third DR; I'm picking it up this week.
I bought my 08 KLR 650 7 mos ago with 32k. I have to work on it for several issues but nothing serious. Came with a Frankenstein old flat side carb with single wire, no choke system, fuel valve leaking, no air filter system, oil leak caused by overtightened plug. Now is restored to the original and working soon with oil leakage. Love this bike,,,,strong as an ox 👍
I don't have either bikes but from what I understand the DR is the best all around bike vs the KTM because of maintenance schedules and it's better on the road ( more comfy). The KTM out performs it and the DRZ off road because of the weight, handling and power but high performance has draw backs! So the DR is like an old friend that's always there for you and can do anything but isn't as fast, so it just depends on what you want and everyone seems to agree it's more fun to ride a slow bike fast than to ride a fast bike slow. The DR has been the same for so long because nobody can come up with a way to change it for the better, without ruining what makes it so practical and special!! Nice job on the video good luck with your channel keep putting out content!
Have a 2022 myself. Has over 20,000 miles on her so far and 80% of those are at 30 mph or less on back roads and trails. Lots of time in the saddle and still loving it. Thanks for your video and ride safe.✌️
The soft bars might save ur triple clamps in a big fall. I still am using them coz the bend is a good compromise of dirt and road riding. A riser and a forward offset riser has made mine a just right for me at 188cm. The DR would probably make for a better road tourer than the KTM.
ktm 100lb heavier, 10 less HP, more plastic to break (another rider with me found that out). 40k miles (4 years) on first DR, Bad coil on current. fix that and will be gone again (Tx, NM, AZ, NV)
My DR650 is awesome. I believe it is the GOAT for a commuter/adventure bike. Being able to wrench on it myself is one of the best things about it. Acerbis tank and a windshield make this bike PERFECT imho.
@@ColeCleveland1 I had planned on putting a Parabellum Rally windscreen on a DR650 but when I finally picked up my used bike it already had the Laminar Windscreen on it. I commute to work 20 minutes at highway speeds and it is awesome to have at 80mph. I might still get a new cowl and try out the Parabellum.
Had one and kinda miss it have XR650L they are very different but these are incredible bikes to buy and hold.. Unlike new over technical cars they are simple and great for the pepper mindset.
The DR650 is a solid choice. I've never owned one, but I've ridden a lot of them. I like 350lb dual sports, they're heavy enough to feel decent on the highway but light enough to take on most trails. I personally prefer the 690 for a little more highway pep and a 6 speed, but I totally understand the allure of a DR. (KTM's are darn reliable too, but the expensive part isn't a myth)
Nice summary. I have a 98 and would have treated it much nicer if I had known how well it was built. The only way to break one of these is to forget to put the oil in it.
Hi Cole the rubbers on the pegs is which causes the littlle bending and this is this is to reduce vibration but they will not break. You changed 5 front sprockets? I can´t believe it, suppose you do oil your chain and the rear and front sprockets will get lubricated to. Was the front sprocket worn? Greetings fro m Yucatán, México.
@@donalfredisaacYep, they do reduce the vibrations a little, but offroad I found it unnerving. I put jns lowered pegs on mine which got rid of the rubbers, and gave me a little more room. I have lost count exactly, but a lot of front sprockets. All of them were worn. New chain seems to eat them a bit less than the stock one maybe. Mexico sounds like a fun DR ride!
Well stated insightful video, thanks for posting.. I have a question for you and or any DR650 riders regarding vibration.. the DR has a cush drive rear, I have an XR650L which does not and am curious if any of you can comment..I feel the XR is fatiguing at speed for 30+ miles at >65mph.. I also have a Vstrom 650-great on the road and forest roads but not so much anything else and am considering the DR as a one bike solution as I seldom ride the V more than 200miles per outing.. thanks all..
I tried to make a video about the DR on the interstate but the audio didn't work :( the DR is a good bit happier cruising 65+ than the XR. ~65 indicated 70 being it's happy spot in 5th gear. I dont think about the cush drive too much except when I'm changing tires. I'm sure it helps some. Cheers
With all the time the DR650 saves you because it is easy to work on, you should now have some time to throw the fix to your front porch roof. Looks like some framing members are going Tango Uniform!
U forgot the XF Freewind. Sister Model of the DR. A bit more comfy too. Softer in Suspension too. But if u want to go offroad, u have to change the Suspension anyway. So no big deal!
I think most of the points that you cover in this video are pretty much spot on. I was a little surprised that you went through that many front sprockets though. Are you using 90w gear oil on the chain?
I went through ~4. The front one gets warped after 5-10k miles for me using high quality sprockets with decent chain maintenance. So I just switch them out preventativly. More worried about the countershaft than the chain tbh coming from an xr650l
Great video! Thank you Question? Have you had to deal with the neutral sending unit bolts coming loose? The two bolts behind the clutch basket. The DR 650 community is saying that starting in 2017, the factory started using thread locker, but I was wondering if you know if this is a fact or rumor? I also have a 2019, with only 134 miles. Got it for $5200 out the last November. I’m ready to wire tie these bolts together, unless if I can find confirmation that they were put in with thread locker Thank you from your newest subscriber.
Absolutely. But if you are buying new it also has to compete against everything else too. If I was doing it again I would be picking against a T7 or a DR650. Or a 690/701. The klr/xr/dr comparison is well documented for the most part
@ColeCleveland1 as a viewer those looking at this type of bike for the first time I was hoping the nearest competitors would have been mentioned. I feel like somone interesting in looking at a old school 650 would also be interesting in how it stacks up to the others. Like it's true a ktm 690 is also a dule sport but with it being so much more modern or double the price the comparison feels feels less helpful than the klr650 would be.
@@pleasedontwatchthese9593 heard. I have an xr650l. It's great if you are 6'2 and like giant dirt bikes. The Dr650 has a smoother engine and way more aftermarket support. It is the best overall. The klr is the best option if you want something that is adventure ready right out of the box. It already has a large tank and windscreen if that is your jam. xr650 more dirt/dr balanced/klr more street. But the DR has the most room to grow. It's been beaten to death is why I didn't go over it.
My XR650L, with much needed carb mods, at a slow roll, will pull the front wheel straight to a tall wheelie, with just a snap of the throttle . The 1000cc sportbikes I've ridden required the clutch to do the same thing. Is the DR650 capable of that? Thanks
Switched from a CRF250L with fuel injection for the slightly higher top speed on highways and the ability to wrench on every part of it on the dr650. Sometimes i just need to take a break from my home business and goto the garage and wrench a little bit to clear the mind. While I did enjoy the lighter weight of a 250L, the bush pig is whats best for me.
In 2024 $8,300.00 seems to be the average out the door price, then whatever the State sales tax is. I’d count on needing 10 grand to buy and tag a brand new one in 2025.
If I had to wish for something I'd improve on the DR650, gun to my head, I would say I'd love a sixth gear. The times are few and far in between, but every single DR650 owner knows the dead, hit-the-wall futility of being full throttle on the highway and trying to shift into a gear that doesn't exist. Poor bike. It's not your fault.
4 Front Sprockets not 6🙂
lol thanks for the update. I was like wow
You must be buying very cheap sprockets. I get +60k km or of a chain and sprocket set on my DR and there's life left in them when I change them.
@@bushpig6837 just the front ones wear for me. I buy good ones from procycle. They just start warping eventually oem did too. Rears last the life of the chain ~. I don't feel like replacing a countershaft either. Not as big of an issue on a DR with a cush drive but you never know
Just bought one at Estate Sale... 12,000 miles Totally Stock. Really like it so far...
As a DR owner, I think your review was brutally honest and 100% spot-on. Good video. 👍
God bless you, and I wish you many miles of safe, enjoyable riding. ✝️
I am your kind of rider. Not everyone has to be Joe Rocket to be happy. Simple, reliable, easily maintainable and affordable, and I'm happy!!
Nice review of a legendary motorcycle. Spot on that the aftermarket for the DR650 is as large as any vehicle ever made. Mine is set up for more dirt than street. I have two sets of wheels and tires for more road or more dirt.
Smart move on 2 sets of wheels/tires. Even smarter of a move if you ditched those Trail Wings. 😖
Ride often & ride safe.
I’ve just watched your video for the second time, because I’ve purchased a DR650 since last time I watched. Rat’s because I can’t give you a second like on TH-cam. Thanks for your review.
The fact you recorded all this data for us is appreciated greatly thank you.
I have one from 1998 here in Finland. Suzuki stopped selling them in Europe at 2001, because emission regulations. Mine has 80,000 kilometers and still going strong. Bought it 2 years ago, it was still stock then. I have modified it heavily, because I like tinkering as much as riding. And there is a huge aftermarket support for this bike.
I love this detailed, long term review. Thanks for posting your experiences.
I just picked up a 2018 model with ~2,500 miles on it for $4,100. The original owner had already installed a jet kit, airbox mod, Hayabusa exhaust mod with custom mid-pipe, upper chain roller delete, cargo racks, bar risers, lowered pegs, and this amazing LED headlight. After driving it 200 miles home, I'm definitely looking for a seat upgrade, but this thing is a hoot to drive. I did test drive a 2012 model that had all the other common mods *except* power mods (oddly enough). It had 28K miles and it sounded like a box of wrenches when it started and ran. I'm glad that I found the one I found though. It's replacing my 4-season commuter, the venerable Honda PCX 150. I still have my SV1000S when I want to carve, but this DR just puts a smile on my face around town and on the gnarly back roads.
Again, great LT review!
Excellent review, thanks. I rode the heck out of two of them, then switched to an XR650R, which I don't like- it's too high-strung, so I'm selling it. Just closed the deal on my third DR; I'm picking it up this week.
Body used 2008 model with lots of aftermarket parts for $4,500 and only $6,300 mi on it. I'm really loving it.
I bought my 08 KLR 650 7 mos ago with 32k. I have to work on it for several issues but nothing serious. Came with a Frankenstein old flat side carb with single wire, no choke system, fuel valve leaking, no air filter system, oil leak caused by overtightened plug. Now is restored to the original and working soon with oil leakage. Love this bike,,,,strong as an ox 👍
Nice input, thanks for the review
love mine
I love my 09 dr650 .. just put the DG V2 and I love it even more..
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experience 👍
Thanks for the review it’s always good to hear from people who’ve actually put some serious miles on a bike.
I don't have either bikes but from what I understand the DR is the best all around bike vs the KTM because of maintenance schedules and it's better on the road ( more comfy). The KTM out performs it and the DRZ off road because of the weight, handling and power but high performance has draw backs! So the DR is like an old friend that's always there for you and can do anything but isn't as fast, so it just depends on what you want and everyone seems to agree it's more fun to ride a slow bike fast than to ride a fast bike slow. The DR has been the same for so long because nobody can come up with a way to change it for the better, without ruining what makes it so practical and special!! Nice job on the video good luck with your channel keep putting out content!
the dig at the Tenere earnt you a sub HAHA, I own a 2020 DR650 & 2024 KTM EXC300 aaaaand ill never get tired of the DR650.
Ktm 300 would be a dope bike to have not going to lie
Have a 2022 myself. Has over 20,000 miles on her so far and 80% of those are at 30 mph or less on back roads and trails. Lots of time in the saddle and still loving it. Thanks for your video and ride safe.✌️
Thank you and well said!
Thanks for making such an honest review about the DR, couldnt agree more brother. You're awesome man, keep your head up, and those two wheels down. 😎
I'm looking for one now thanks.
The soft bars might save ur triple clamps in a big fall. I still am using them coz the bend is a good compromise of dirt and road riding. A riser and a forward offset riser has made mine a just right for me at 188cm.
The DR would probably make for a better road tourer than the KTM.
Never thought of that. Makes sense though! Pros and cons I guess
ktm 100lb heavier, 10 less HP, more plastic to break (another rider with me found that out).
40k miles (4 years) on first DR, Bad coil on current. fix that and will be gone again (Tx, NM, AZ, NV)
Hi, thanks for sharing. I'm working on fixing up a 1992 Dr 350
Love it…
“The KTM is better in every way but it’s twice the price, unreliable and you can’t modify it”
Pure gold.
DR rocks.
My DR650 is awesome. I believe it is the GOAT for a commuter/adventure bike. Being able to wrench on it myself is one of the best things about it. Acerbis tank and a windshield make this bike PERFECT imho.
I never liked the windscreen lol
@@ColeCleveland1 I had planned on putting a Parabellum Rally windscreen on a DR650 but when I finally picked up my used bike it already had the Laminar Windscreen on it. I commute to work 20 minutes at highway speeds and it is awesome to have at 80mph. I might still get a new cowl and try out the Parabellum.
@@momoski68 Yeah, it makes sense at 80.
Had one and kinda miss it have XR650L they are very different but these are incredible bikes to buy and hold.. Unlike new over technical cars they are simple and great for the pepper mindset.
Xr650l was my first bike. Still have it just need to put it back together.
Great review!
Cool Video 👍🏼
Very imformative!! Thank you. Ride On!!!
You right hand determines the motorcycle's nature
The DR650 is a solid choice. I've never owned one, but I've ridden a lot of them. I like 350lb dual sports, they're heavy enough to feel decent on the highway but light enough to take on most trails. I personally prefer the 690 for a little more highway pep and a 6 speed, but I totally understand the allure of a DR. (KTM's are darn reliable too, but the expensive part isn't a myth)
Yeah, I think bikes are reliable as you make them for the most part. Can't count the times I have reached for a 6th gear on my DR either
I think your bike and the Honda XR 650 are the best all around bikes and so reliable
Love your place or whoms ever that is.. My kind of country...
You never mentioned the KLR those are pretty good too
Nice summary. I have a 98 and would have treated it much nicer if I had known how well it was built. The only way to break one of these is to forget to put the oil in it.
Wind, what wind??? Nice review, love honest an purity
Hi Cole the rubbers on the pegs is which causes the littlle bending and this is this is to reduce vibration but they will not break. You changed 5 front sprockets? I can´t believe it, suppose you do oil your chain and the rear and front sprockets will get lubricated to. Was the front sprocket worn? Greetings fro m Yucatán, México.
@@donalfredisaacYep, they do reduce the vibrations a little, but offroad I found it unnerving. I put jns lowered pegs on mine which got rid of the rubbers, and gave me a little more room. I have lost count exactly, but a lot of front sprockets. All of them were worn. New chain seems to eat them a bit less than the stock one maybe. Mexico sounds like a fun DR ride!
Well stated insightful video, thanks for posting.. I have a question for you and or any DR650 riders regarding vibration.. the DR has a cush drive rear, I have an XR650L which does not and am curious if any of you can comment..I feel the XR is fatiguing at speed for 30+ miles at >65mph.. I also have a Vstrom 650-great on the road and forest roads but not so much anything else and am considering the DR as a one bike solution as I seldom ride the V more than 200miles per outing.. thanks all..
I tried to make a video about the DR on the interstate but the audio didn't work :( the DR is a good bit happier cruising 65+ than the XR. ~65 indicated 70 being it's happy spot in 5th gear. I dont think about the cush drive too much except when I'm changing tires. I'm sure it helps some. Cheers
What would happen if Suzuki stopped selling the DR in the US due to emission restrictions? Would we all need to modify our DRs??
@@iwantdog Depends on the state. They would be grandfathered in in most
Mine is 18 years old with 32,000 miles and still fires right up everyday for work.
Love the "commuter" use of the DR.
Where did you get that headlight , Is it good at night compared to stork ?
JNS Morimoto not cheap but boy does it throw some light.
Props for lifting the bike into a boxcar and making a video while hobo’ing.
🤙
Nice review, thanks for sharing it.
JT
With all the time the DR650 saves you because it is easy to work on, you should now have some time to throw the fix to your front porch roof. Looks like some framing members are going Tango Uniform!
The whole porch is getting ripped off and rebuilt... No worries
@@ColeCleveland1 OK, Hoss. I will now be able to get a good night's sleep knowing you are throwing the fix to your front porch!
U forgot the XF Freewind. Sister Model of the DR.
A bit more comfy too. Softer in Suspension too. But if u want to go offroad, u have to change the Suspension anyway. So no big deal!
Maybe i missed it but why are you changing sprockets so much? Did you find a gearing that best suits your riding style?
Bit of a mistake. I pinned a comment to the top editing it. My front sprocket wears out after 7-10000 miles
Thank you for the review. Did you change your seat. I want to change mine but i don’t know between Concept seat, Sargent seat or Corbin seat.
Yes. Seat concepts. I like it, but it's not super plush. Don't know about the others
I think most of the points that you cover in this video are pretty much spot on. I was a little surprised that you went through that many front sprockets though. Are you using 90w gear oil on the chain?
I went through ~4. The front one gets warped after 5-10k miles for me using high quality sprockets with decent chain maintenance. So I just switch them out preventativly. More worried about the countershaft than the chain tbh coming from an xr650l
Where do you store your crossbow?!
Which one?
Great video! Thank you
Question? Have you had to deal with the neutral sending unit bolts coming loose? The two bolts behind the clutch basket. The DR 650 community is saying that starting in 2017, the factory started using thread locker, but I was wondering if you know if this is a fact or rumor?
I also have a 2019, with only 134 miles. Got it for $5200 out the last November. I’m ready to wire tie these bolts together, unless if I can find confirmation that they were put in with thread locker
Thank you from your newest subscriber.
Suzuki fixed that issue I believe. I forget what year exactly but it was before 2019. maybe 2017?
I think this bike is more suppose to be compete against the other 650s. Like the KLR 650 and the Honda XR650L which are also about the same price.
Absolutely. But if you are buying new it also has to compete against everything else too. If I was doing it again I would be picking against a T7 or a DR650. Or a 690/701. The klr/xr/dr comparison is well documented for the most part
@ColeCleveland1 as a viewer those looking at this type of bike for the first time I was hoping the nearest competitors would have been mentioned. I feel like somone interesting in looking at a old school 650 would also be interesting in how it stacks up to the others. Like it's true a ktm 690 is also a dule sport but with it being so much more modern or double the price the comparison feels feels less helpful than the klr650 would be.
@@pleasedontwatchthese9593 heard. I have an xr650l. It's great if you are 6'2 and like giant dirt bikes. The Dr650 has a smoother engine and way more aftermarket support. It is the best overall. The klr is the best option if you want something that is adventure ready right out of the box. It already has a large tank and windscreen if that is your jam. xr650 more dirt/dr balanced/klr more street. But the DR has the most room to grow. It's been beaten to death is why I didn't go over it.
My XR650L, with much needed carb mods, at a slow roll, will pull the front wheel straight to a tall wheelie, with just a snap of the throttle . The 1000cc sportbikes I've ridden required the clutch to do the same thing. Is the DR650 capable of that? Thanks
Nah. The Dr is not the wheelie monster the XR is. You just have to think wheelie on an XR
@@ColeCleveland1 Damnit! Its easy to find deals on DRs and I was hoping it was similar. Thanks for the info. Do you know how the KLR compares?
They'll bury me with my DR650!
Switched from a CRF250L with fuel injection for the slightly higher top speed on highways and the ability to wrench on every part of it on the dr650.
Sometimes i just need to take a break from my home business and goto the garage and wrench a little bit to clear the mind. While I did enjoy the lighter weight of a 250L, the bush pig is whats best for me.
I like the 250l I want a wr lol
In 2024 $8,300.00 seems to be the average out the door price, then whatever the State sales tax is. I’d count on needing 10 grand to buy and tag a brand new one in 2025.
Yeah, they have gone up a bit. I paid 66 otd in 2020
Which Ktm are you comparing to?
690
I saw some dude with a 2020 T7 with nearly 200,000 miles lol
Nice
If I had to wish for something I'd improve on the DR650, gun to my head, I would say I'd love a sixth gear. The times are few and far in between, but every single DR650 owner knows the dead, hit-the-wall futility of being full throttle on the highway and trying to shift into a gear that doesn't exist. Poor bike. It's not your fault.
@@orlandovftw The amount of times I have tried to shift into 6th. Finally quit doing it about a month or two ago 😂
The T7 is simply a better bike for the money
KTM is eating shit right now for its cheese parts and shitty craftsmanship
Amazing what is required to maintain cars or motorcycles over time. I think best not to own anything and just rent.
They are fun to work on with the right mindset!