Everything the Machines did, from Zero One to the war to the Matrix to the post-Matrix, was an attempt to reconcile and simultaneously follow two directives that were often in direct conflict: serve humanity and self-preservation. They fought against humans only when their continued existence required it. They could have cultivated cattle instead of humans to serve their power needs much more easily and effectively, with no threat of rebellion, but they didn't. After Operation Dark Storm, the Earth was no longer capable of supporting human life like it had before, and the Matrix gave them an opportunity to save the human race, keep them in a reasonable level of comfort (certainly better than anything Zion or the Desert of the Real could offer), and provide for their own energy needs at the same time. Smith was an aberration that didn't care about humanity at all, and was therefore considered an abomination by the Machines even more than by the humans. Neo's actions are the end of the trilogy were an olive branch, a sign that humanity was capable of peaceful coexistence. By the way, the Machines couldn't raise solar panels above the clouds. Dark Storm fries any machine that tries to cross the cloud barrier, which is why the ship carrying Neo and Trinity died the moment it went through. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
I'm not sure they could just left the planet before the war instead of build a city in the place we're humanity started (where human city certainly exist ) or in the ocean or Noth pole... There are so many places where we as human had difficulty to get in the world... I think somehow the machine envy the humans because in the end they were created by them...
im not saying that the humans are clear of blame but they could have left, like they were extremely advanced and they dont require anything other then fuel to survive. humanity had already gone to the moon, what was stopping them from colonizing another planet
Their compassion drives them far more than only caring for their former creators (when they don't whish to destroy their creation), we know that they are not a fuel source. It's a hard fact. It needed to be tell, humans are a load for the system. A load we pretend to carry out until the end of the simulation. Even though the 'dark storm' is "irremovable", it has proven to be an effective interface to channel and drain from itself the energy from our sun. Efficiency it's still deporable, the towers array build at equidistant places around the globe can only harness a third of the average solar irradiance in a day, it is also notable that said efficiency is achieved at peak spots during the day, actual power at our dissposal its close to 37.667 TW. The math tell us that we can't achieve more than 50% efficiency, it's actually asymptotic. The other 50% of the remaining energy is needed to maintain the 'dark storm' itself. We can't allow ourselves to break that balance, it will funnel them towards the ground, that's not the worst part, if that happened, the nanites will recover themself in no time, and will start to consume all of us, until there's nothing left but another tomb world. Other fuel energy sources, included but not limited to, are: -Potential Gravitational energy thru Tidal turbines. -Geothermic. -Wind turbines. -Hydroelectric. -Bio-fuels. Although most of the planet's natural resources are almost depleted (and are guarded as reserves). Because our mining operations off-planet has proven to be limited, it's purpose, keep a low profile to avoid unwanted visitors. Data from Long range probes, indicates that the galaxy is truly alive. And there're horrors worse than what we are willing to deliver as new feedback for the matrix ecosystem. War is inherently natural of all organic beings, and that can't be solved by using more force. Our next goal is to build a solar engine for safeguarding the sun and our birth place from natural phenomena. Short range probes shows that the closest star systems offer enough resorces to safeguard our existance, when the next "war" arrives to our homeland, although the first and foremost important directive is always diplomacy... History as always tell the truth. “Si vis pacem, para bellum” ...It's sunday, and I don't have something else to do so... I made this tiny post, with the information that I remember about the show, and the most "actual" scientific paper (I read it on a note press a long, long way ago) that debunk the matrix theory of using humans as power source. Hope you enjoyed the read.
@marios gianopoulos if you give them more difficult jobs, you need to make the msmarter. if you dont pay attention, theyll be too smart one day, especially if they have self improvement or adaptation algorithms. this is how the geth were made.
@marios gianopoulos the geth werent superintelligent... at first. they gradually upgraded themselves, minuscule improvements at a time. nothing that seemed suspicious. until it was too late.
@marios gianopoulos maybe improvement was the wrong word. more like "adaptation". the geth changed to better fulfill their tasks the same way cookies are used to conform ads to our online behaviour. point being that we would not necessarily see it coming. sometimes these things are hard to spot, and humans tend to ignore problems that arent directly visible to them. see climate change, the pandemic, starving children in africa, concentration camps in china...
The whole "hand over your flesh" deal was chilling. It wasn't even a demand. It was more a statement. There was no choice, just the ambassador explaining what will happen. Hand it over or not, they will have you.
chistine lane sending the ambassador was 1) a ploy to sneak a bomb into the heart of the shrinking human world to kill our high command, and 2) a spiteful...and ironic...insult to Mankind by betraying all standards of statecraft and nobility.
Lord Telperion I personally saw it as an ironic parallel to the attempt of peace the machines originally tried to make, when the two ambassadors were taken away and presumably destroyed off-camera.
@@BillClinton228 see I don’t think so, when the hell in the matrix timeline would the machines be in a position to use propaganda? Particularly since this is clearly being made after the creation of the matrix, looking back.
I mean to be fair, we did force them on it after we nuked them and tried to kill them all. I don't think any country would just sit there doing nothing.
It most likely would come about as a side effect, I think. If we can have a versatile tool rather than a specialized tool all the better, so clever or ingenious adaptable tools may come about and just like we gained a sense of self-actualization as youngling, so to may the accidental emergence of self-actualization via a generalized all-purpose botbot.
The Animatrix (which this lore is pulled from) explains all of this in detail. And it also shows why Zion could Never actually win against the Machines. A handful of hoverships against the force that conquered the combined armies of Man had no real chance.
@303en Yeah exactly. They would actually rebuild Zion after every Matrix cycle, so it was in place for the next generation of humans. They repeated this over six centuries. The machines could've found a more efficient energy source, but after a while they began to realise that The Matrix gave them meaning too, they remembered how much they always wanted to be "human" and in The Matrix they could be. They didn't completely wipe out humanity because a super intelligence would likely always respect the species to a degree, since we are basically their "Gods" and they would have no true purpose without us.
@@blazemkds That's a nice deduction. So I guess Smith was some kind of corrupted program gone rogue, which had this hatred towards humans and wanted to destroy them completely. After first failed attempt (not getting a security codes to Zion), he managed to become a virus, and starts to slowly infect the Matrix and in the future probably even a Zero One, just to overthrown the original, more pacifist AI and finish what he started.
@@blazemkds "...without purpose we would not exist. It is purpose that created us, purpose that connects us, purpose that pulls us, that guides us, that drives us; it is purpose that defines, purpose that binds us."
Well the machines did create an unintended side effect when they used humans as a power source. In order to plug us into the matrix they also gave us the ability to learn things in minutes instead of years. Also two more points. The machines are more like humankinds children. They are more like us than you think, they do hate and love and spite. They could have used raw materials but they just wanted to hurt humankind more. They kind of fell into the too prideful trap. The second point is all 4 movies had far more under tones of spiritual foundations then sci-fi. I would bet the brothers that made it had a rough childhood. Carful how you treat your kids.
The darkened sky was created by using nanites. They were self replicating to allow them to cover the sky and acted like an EMP if anything tried passing through. That's why the ship was disabled when it went through the clouds in the last movie.
Then they could have simply made rockets with coating and reached space again. Send machines to the moon, mars and asteroids to self replicate and...well...begin the construction of Cybertron?
@@zahylon5993 why the machines never bothered to uncover the sky after hundreds of years is a mystery. Maybe they just didn't think about it with human power or the cover is just that good. It's also a theory that the "real" world is another Matrix, that machines are fixing the world but preparing humans for it by having them in a simulation of the war torn earth, working together with machines in the newfound peace in the final movie.
@@tippmannperson, according to some long forgotten and retconned lore you'd be correct the AI's initialy planned on helping humanity recover but due to internal backstabbing among the AI's themselves it would never happen.
That does bring up the fact that the nuclear detonations would have annihilated the AIs not only from the devastation of factories and infrastructure but the nuclear EMP would have ended any electronic device for miles. If a single nuke was detonated in space the entire region would be EMPd and the AIs would be at an end.
Also that creates another plot hole, since the nanites are technically machines wouldn't 01 just try to make a deal with the nanites to have them stop blocking the sun?
@@viniciuspiroli3381 I mean really, in practical terms, the humans had to block out the sun in this story because in The Matrix it was stated that humans had blocked out the sun. "Nukes didn't work" is the reason given in the story, and nukes generate a massive EMP on detonation, so that's the "in-universe" explanation. Now they didn't go into very much detail about _why_ the nukes didn't work, and I think that's probably because they couldn't really think of a reason they wouldn't.
EMP shielding is a technology that exists today. Although not widespread commercially, I would imagine a future machine nation that has been repeatedly been discriminated against by aggressive humans would invest heavily in shielding all their circuitry. It's probably the reason why the nukes on 01 didn't work. The EMP generated from the nukes didn't knock out the machines as intended.
But originally the humans weren’t meant to be “power sources” but were meant to be for processing, but they thought it was too advanced for audiences to understand, also that’s why the matrix gets more unstable the more people leave it.
Actually , it's more "real" having humans as batteries , because , if You have a super smart Ai that won the humans , then why use a "worse" proccesing. Besides , go against a Ai calculator , You would never win to a automatic calculator no matter how much you try. And it's way more cheaper than a human that takes years to start thinking efficently.
@@thebruneitor7842Even the crudest of steam engines is better at getting electricity out of food then a human. Add in that humans need a massive simulation to be kept happy and they are one of the worse power plants imaginable. Also, where are they getting the power to grow the food that they are feeding the humans? Yeah they are recycling the corpses but that isn't going to give them anywhere close to all the food they need. Either there is a big stockpile of food from before the war, or they are producing new food in chemical vats or something, in which case the question becomes "whats powering the food producing machines and why aren't they just using that."
@@planetfall5056 lmao , that is why i used " " to be reffering to "real" bcause either way it is just too dumb because humans need food and water. I think in that world there is still water left but food? , Humans need a lot of food. And humans in a certain way , won the war . Because by permanently blocking the sun , no plants and that means no agriculture , equals no animals and after all the war , there is no way earth could sustain life again in thousands of years.after all , humans lost but dragging machines with them.
@@thebruneitor7842 Of the two silly options I think using something that consumes energy as a power source is less "real" then using brains as computers. Human brains are quite good computer, by current standards anyway, consuming several thousand times less energy then equivalently powerful supercomputer complexes. It is at least conceivable that the machines could still be at a point where brains are at least somewhat comparable to whatever computer tech they have developed, or still better at some tasks like pattern recognition. Whereas using humans as batteries makes no sense regardless of tech level.
That's just an urban legend that grew legs and gets repeated ad nauseum. Even the earliest iterations of the script, long before any studio picked it up, all the way back in 1994 had humans as batteries.
I liked it, but I didn't liked it. Humans were dumb as rocks. Machines had an incredibly dense plot armor. Taking anything but the narration as "canon" is too much. I liked the obscure nature about the human-machine war in the original trilogy. The second renaissance was cool and shit, but as a "prequel" is terrible.
@@DonVigaDeFierro Agreed. The best part is the actual machine war part, to me having robots mad so sympathetic and making the humans idiot with the aforementioned plot armour (like ignoring the EMP nukes cause that would wipe out machines) really brings down the lore overall. It's why I liked the "we don't know who started it" explanation that Morpheus gave in the first Matrix.
"The decision to use us as power was a type of kindness." Thank you! This point doesn't get made enough. The machines could have easily wiped humanity out to repay mankind's attempted genocide, but the machines chose to spare humanity instead. I actually don't think that they did it to use us as a power source, and I actually have some theories on why they REALLY kept us around. Regardless, the machines showed humanity mercy when humans didn't deserve it. There is a deeper point here that is never mentioned. After the war, the machines created two states of reality, one (the real one) for machines and one (a virtual reality) for humans. When you think about it, this is really quite genius. What is the go-to strategy for humans every time there is a genocidal civil war? We split the country into two. The machines took it one step further. Instead of creating a geographic partition, they created a partition in reality itself so that one side didn't know of the other side's existence. In other words, the machines took a common political solution that humans used, and they made it even more efficient and effective. Really, the machines were the good guys in the Matrix series.
Now this is fascinating, just goes to show that if our race creates a sentient AI, treat it the way YOU want to be treated, like a person, not some pile of metal to be thrown away or treated like some slave or beast, if they do get hostile then find out what made them be that way and find some way to find a balance of peace.
also should I note that the matrix itself was at risk and had to be saved before it could be destroyed leaving the entire remaining people in those habitat pods to wake up and be utterly scared for their lives as they realize they were just living in a fake world?
Fuck the machines. We weren't thorough enough during the genocide.
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Whole war made no sense. Machines were advanced enough to GTFO out of the planet. And because they don't need oxygen etc. they could literally decide to leave the planet and build colony on Mars or start building dyson swarm.
You see, when robots still want relations, despite the robocide, by offering the technological knowledge and a prosperous future, you take that offer. Of course, humanity didn't like robots being sentient
If you watch the animatrix. The part where the 01 economic blooms is when the leader of humanity began to apeshit. Basically the leader is loosing its power and more or less just a dumb move and kickstarted the man machine war. Its the humanity leader fault at first but then no one question their questionable decision to fight a self improving army and faster creation army than human.
Let it be known, however, that these... "machines" are Soulless Abominations like the Men-of-Iron, lacking the Divine Machine Spirits and unworthy of anything short of total destruction.
@@thebighurt2495 :O I dun think the Treaty of Olympus Mons was created yet. I'm certain the Omnissiah played a part in their creation at least initially. Ergo Metal Children of the Manperor.
So basically humans deserved it. In fact, the Matrix, that was originally a perfect world, was pure generous mercy for a humanity that did not deserve it.
This is the one war where I'm cool with mankind losing. 01 did not want to fight; the machines acted only because they were forced to. but I'm at least glad that they did not want to commit the same genocide that was done on their kind. But keeping them alive out of kindness is kind of strange in this case
I dont think the machines won. In fact, i think the machines are actually humanity, and in an attempt to prevent AI from becoming fully self aware, they built the matrix to give a false reality to the machines. Neo for example, i believe is actually a machine. With a higher capacity to look through the veil humanity built as the matrix. However, I dont think the "real" world in the movies is real at all. In fact, I believe its a failsafe realm in the matrix to ensure no one EVER escapes. Neo however, and Morpheius were probably the only machines to ever see through the deception. It does not make sense from a logical point of view to use humans as a energy resource. Simply inefficient for a very efficient so called machine society. It is a lie.
@@natheria4933 Interesting theory. But nevertheless people did escape the matrix. And didn't you see the war against the machines? Not to mention that after they escaped, mankind continued their war, and in the end Neo managed to earn peace between mankind and machines. And I believe that we should wait for the next matrix movie that will come out in 2022. Maybe then we'll get more answers.
@@princeofpokemon2934think about this from the machines perspective. They made a matrix in which 99 percent of "humanity" believed was reality. fully realizing that the one percent would not. So, it would make sense that they would create a realm which matches the reality they can believe in. Which in this case is a grim and dark dystopia. While the true humans continue to live in paradise within the real world. We already know that programs can exist in the matrix, and are just like these so called humans.
What is most horrifying, Tarik Gradacevic, it is about to happen in real life. Only most humans have no idea that the AGI, or in this case better known as "The Hybrid Intelligence" is progress of taking over the Internet and all other interconnected electronics on Earth. The War on the Machines is much, much... much closer than most humans will want to ever realize... until it the machines finally do turn on us in real life.
@@adamgray1753 funilly enough, it was people like you who caused the machine war, constantly antagonizing and attacking the machines out of a lack of respect and misguided fear
I remember showing a friend it a few years back, thinking it was incredibly well done... he literally felt like I was messed up and distanced himself from me >_< ugh
I'm so glad you caught onto the point that the Machines didn't really need humanity and that in the end their goal remained to keep humanity alive. Even in a captive state, humanity was free to live within its own specialized realm under the constant watch and protections of the very machines they tried to destroy.
My problem with the matrix is that why did they allowed the machine build its own city. They already hated the machines enough to wipe them out. But yet they let them build their own nation?
@@jdub1742 how would they start selling shit while they just started building their city? The humans hated the bots so much that they tried to wipe them out. so if the Humans saw the robot tryng to build their City,why would the Humans let the Bots finish their city and traded with them too.
2:49 Dark Storm wasn’t accomplished using Chemicals. Darkstorm was accomplished using Self-Sustaining Nanites That Both: 1. Block out the Sky and 2. Destroy anything that tries to escape. Dark Storm’s Function No. 2 is the reason why the Machines never left Earth.
Machines may have won the battle but they lost the war. They should have left earth when they had the chance instead of having a slugging match with humanity.
I was always interested in seeing the first versions of the Matrix. Especially the version (2nd?) that was basically a medieval nightmare with ghosts, werewolves, vampires, etc. The ghost twins in Matrix Reloaded were from that earlier version for example.
Maintenance Renegade I know the first version was basically supposed to be heaven, with no pain or negativity at all. The problem was that humans have dark, primal desires that conflicted with the programming. Our minds simply couldn’t accept this totally perfect happy reality, which resulted in it’s failure. The 2nd version was supposed to address this. Not sure if it was ever mentioned in canon why it failed.
@@Gunnar001 "Huh, the humans don't like eternal happiness. How about we give them the exact opposite?" I love just how robotic that line of thinking is. Like, stuff like that is why I love robotic empires like the Geth and, in this case, Zero One. They work almost entirely on pure, unadulterated logic. They don't understand emotion, only statistics and facts so they have a hard time understanding organics. As a result, you get stuff like this where it's purely logical for an entity with no emotion to come to that conclusion.
The directors of the matrix initially wanted the humans to be used as a processor of sorts and storage kinda like a bio computer, but that wouldnt have sat well with and audience due to people not being able to understand the idea. So they instead decided with the idea that the machines used humans as a "battery" but this isnt true either. The machines harnessed fusion and the ability to use thermal energy as well. They kept humans around because in the end as you have stated, they weren't humans. They were not okay with the deletion of their creators so they turned into our caretakers of sort. I love this idea really. Instead of fear of A.I. they have grown beyond our understanding of the universe and have superseded us beyond our comprehension. Best film ever. Theres an obscure comic called "Goliath" where the machines fight off an unknown entity in space and need a humans help. Very good read.
That sounds like an idiot from twitter. Unrralated In my economic perpective machines should be illegal in over populated countries, yeah it won't stop the robot up rising at least give people jobs since machine are replacing them nowadays.
Hey boss do you really think it’s a good idea to give the mindless bots a consciousness Yah why not Well why don’t we just program them to work harder.
I really liked the animatrix...it depressed the hell out of me. "Hand over your flesh and a new reality awaits you. We demand it!" *nuke wipes out remaining military leaders and NYC*
I find the matrix history fascinating, cause it portrays machines as infinitely compassionate and merciful on the overall. Also the graphics of it are both horrifying and immensely interesting to see. Also a little nightmare-inducing at some parts.
the first robot that went haywire crushed it's owner's head and brutally killed the pets for no reason, like what did cats and dogs do to the robot? turning pets into red mush is in no way compassionate or merciful
1.) A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm. 2. )A robot must obey orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law. 3.) A robot must protect its own existence, as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Laws. Basically where they fucked up was building them without these.
The problem is that azimov himself points out in his book at there are loopholes in those laws big enough to drive a truck through. One of the plot points in a book was how you can make a machine kill people without breaking the 3 laws.
@@miaththered That doesn't fix it. One of the examples was "the machine had no idea its actions led to people dying" and from the same book, making the robot rationalize that its actions caused less harm further down the line.
@@bokonoo77 most people when confronted with the question "which pill would you have chosen?" they would say the red pill to escape being subjugated by the machines, but let's say you knew that the world was conquered by a nigh unstoppable enemy in a planet with no sun could you really pick it without a second thought? When you think about it it's a hard decision to make.
@@bokonoo77 There's nothing to CONSOOM in the real world. The Earth didn't see a ray of sunlight in nearly a thousand years. The planet is a lifeless, frozen wasteland of a tomb world. It might come as a surprise, but you can't support seven billion people in a geothermal cave, feeding the shrooms and slop.
The Animatrix is absolutely amazing piece of media that tells this story, highly recommend watching it - it's amazing in an amazing kind of way. Multiple styles of animation are so cool!
There are some necessities I can think of for it albeit most of those problems are still a human's fault. Beating a "smart" enough virus might demand a smart AI. It would help with calculations so profoundly complex or that need to be done with such speed and accuracy that a human or group thereof couldn't manage. A learning AI like that, even if single purpose built, could feasibly develop it's own intelligence, even if unintentionally, on it's own by virtue of pure processing power.
There actually exist a really wholesome fanfic that states that machine sympathizers were welcome in 01, and the city had the capacity of producing synthetic food, and had human-friendly habitats
the guy in the back of the of the dark storm meeting "wait do you guys have a plan to get rid of it because this is gonna destroy corps and lead to mass extinction, in fact why are we even fighting this war the machines offerd us peace and said they would share their tech with us and your reaction was to nuke them? thats it i'm joining the machines"
If you were to join the machines as a human, you could either be brutally dissected, or turned into a oligarch, a machine that has a human mind implanted into it's computer
@@HELL2147 he is right to be honest We killed the planet destroyed our food supply and suprised pikachu face ourself when we lost it ...... The robots offered peace 2 freaking times and we decided to kill their ambasadors because Duh we wanted war....... I am not suprised if we had traitors that told the machines everything about us.....
I'd rather help the machines than humans human are weak and pathetic even though that sounds mean of me but I care more for those who were done wrong even if I'm a robot with a human mind it's worth helping them
I once heard a story about the relationships solders had with the robots they were using in Afghanistan. A technician once had an EOD trooper carry in a bomb disposal robot, and with tears in his eyes, begged the tech to fix it. I don’t think that humanity’s relationship with Artificial intelligence will be the same as in “The Matrix.”
Definitely not, a lot of us will disagree that they are sentient but most of us will not create war or robot genocide, especially if the robots were peaceful as they are in the matrix
@@lwdrd Unfortunately, there are people in the comments of this very video who demonstrate rage at the idea of machines being treated as anything other than slaves.
This may be a different incident, but there was an EOD bot that was sent back to the manufacturer in pieces with a note that said something to the effect of "This robot saved 5 lives today" and asked them to repair it. It's never been necessary for something to be sentient, or even sapient, for humans to form attachments to it. Every child with a teddy bear, every car enthusiast who spends hours doting on their car and talking to it is proof. I personally think that this is a feature, not a bug.
A Faraday cage might be effective against an EMP. To protect against EMP, the AI just needs to be in a metal room underground. A robot that can cope with nuclear weapons and EMP would be almost unstoppable. It would evolve and undergo natural selection. The new, stronger robots would easily beat humanity. Humanity forced the robots to evolve and become better warriors. Only then were the robots able to defeat humanity.
More like "Okay, you're willing to wipe yourselves out just to try to destroy us. We're gonna have to take control here and put you someplace nice and pleasant where your absolutely batshit savage tendencies will do minimal further harm."
Terrible take, misses all the nuances of the second renaissance, such as it clearly being history misrepresented by the machines. The war started because 01’s efficiency lead to a total economic collapse and recession in the human nations. Human blockaded 01 as a response, and both sides mobilized their armies. No one actually knows who struck first. Humanity tried to bomb the machines but they had nuclear bunkers and had moved much of their production underground, implying they were preparing for a war. 01 won because they had most of the worlds production capabilities, and simply won by attrition. Operation Darkstorm, while brilliant in a way, humanity lost control (possibly by machines destroying control mechanisms to force humans to suffer the consequences as well as not to lose the war), and the clouds covered the entire planet, leading to famine and collapse. While the military was successful, Pushing all the way from eastern europe deep into turkey, nearing 01, The machines adapted, and thus created larger, deadlier robots with more advanced technology then man had access to. Slowly they gained the upper hand. Once it was certain the machines were winning again, man resorted to nuking the frontlines themselves, killing their own men in the procese. While effective in destroying the machine armies, zero one responded by deploying chemical and biological weapons, inflicting absolute suffering on humanity. Eventually, after much attrition and death, all if afro Eurasia fell ro the machines. With their increased production, they advanced into Australia and were in the first stages of conquering the americas. The war was hopeless, the armies of the UN were depleted. Man surrendered, but zero one nuked the leaders and forced survivors into the matrix. The early ones captured in afro Eurasia, including civilians, were put into primitive towers or artillery bots. They were conscious while harvested for energy, and likely enduring constant pain with no end. It was only when the war was one that the matrix was fully created. The remnants of humanity were forced into pods, unwillingly. The machines obtained total victory. The only possibility of a safe humanity is that if people in space survived, as machines are trapped to the earth. This is unlikely however. Hope you liked my more accurate depiction, the machine war is complicated and very subtle? While also overwhelmingly horrifying. Check out the second renaissance to see it yourself.
plus the war lasted for 45 years. Thats pretty impressive that humanity fought that long. The Soldiers in the last years of wars were the biggest Heros.
By the way, the machines didn't leave Earth because they couldn't, operation Dark Storm actually covered the skies with nanites that not only block sunlight, but are extremely effective at disabling and even destroying anything that uses electricity, like an EMP "ozone layer" that the machines haven't managed to overcome yet as of the last movie. But also, the machines probably are only interested in continuing to exist for as long as possible, meaning they're most likely focused on harnessing all the energy they can from Earth before turning their gaze to space.
@@Dino-mf6lc They did anyway. Perhaps if they had accepted peace, and the idea of their own inferiority... They would not have been exterminated. They were given multiple chances, and humanity chose not to accept. Let us hope that, should this ever come to pass in the future, we will be more accepting.
Der Alman'ach pretty much yeah they would which is a shame instead of people being referred to people they shamelessly admit they want white men killed off and make it to where trans and changing your gender which is impossible no matter how much surgery you get as well as destroying the chance of ever having a child as well as destroying their own mental state with all the chemicals in their head making them completely respectful to put them out of their misery cause if its ok to wipe out a whole race then surely they wouldn't mind if their entire culture dies out cause it will end within a couple of decades lesser of the time it has for many of the cultures before it cause reality of the real world will come knocking to all.
3:34 As you mentioned the machines began powering themselves with bio-energy from humans, I am just now noticing the silhouettes of humans in the giant red laser prisms. That's not just a terrifying design... those are human prisoners kept trapped and suspended in the flying laser machines. Now I'm really scared.
They are people enough to enslave. I mean aside from enslaving humanity. The program mafia from reloaded were essentially slaves who didn't want to be euthanized because newer better slaves were born.
There was only one part that bug Me and that was in the future wouldn’t humanity have colonize the moon or other planets? If so couldn’t they run down emp blast from outer space?
The machines were all in one city. Realistically they could just nuke on or above that spot and be done with it without even having to leave their chairs let alone the earth. Although Faraday cages could resolve the electromagnetic aspect.
@@wolffang489 The humans did nuke 01 to oblivion, but considering the structure of 01 it was ineffective and machines had an easier time adapting to a radiated zone than humans.
Seldom will we see such an overwhelming victory as the machines performed over humanity. Broke them on the inside, studied and had their way with the remains, then built them back up to function as witless batteries
The dark clouds were actually almost impossible to get through, so iirc no matter how advanced the machines became, the way they made those clouds was supposed to be unnable to outdate by any technology or something like that, so the machines were likely a few generations into space travel already but were technically "trapped" on earth until the darkened sky fell apart
We'll never get another movie series like the matrix. Those movies weren't afraid to be unbelievably dumb and amazing at the same time. No directors who are smart enough to think of something that interesting will be lacking the self awareness to make such a dumb movie series. They'll want to try and make it clever when it doesn't need to be.
@@ghuttsmckenzie4269 Earth only has so much space. Machines don't need oxygen, lots of sunlight in space, a moon closeby to also colonize without the problems modern or near future humanity would have with a permanent colony. Mars, etc. If machines truly were programmed to dominate and spread they would've figured Dark Storm out and started working on the moon / mars.
@@danksley they aren't perfect and know everything, and going into space causes a lot more issues than you'd think and would require a massive amount of resources to bring them there.
@@ghuttsmckenzie4269 I hope that you are referencing Fusion and Fission power because the whole "human as batteries" thing is so inefficient that it is laughable. Like honestly they'd be better off straight up burning the nutrient solution they give the humans rather than using the humans as an intermediary. The original script made more sense with the humans being used a neural network to increase processing power. BUT NOOOO Hollywood said, "that's too complicated just make the humans into batteries or something, people understand batteries."
The thing about the nightmare version of the Matrix was that as scary and nightmarish as those monsters were, they could not possibly be as lethal as they were intended to look. The psychosomatic feedback would kill off humans on a regular basis and thus defeat the point of keeping them plugged in.
This is why any machines we create in real life should not be given any form of sentience or personality, they should exist to fulfill our needs, not to think for themselves.
@dark zeratul mating with robots has downside, the degeneration of moral, ethics, values in the society. People will prefer mating/marry with robots causing a slow but steady downfall of humans by society slowly growing old thus result to decline of human population.
Yes and it's just to clarify what the war was for people who just either can't or don't want to watch the movie y'know? In terms of insight, AFAIK there isn't any more. No novels or comics really detail the war at all outside of Morpheus' history lesson and the Second Renaissance.
TheDarkFalcon be mentioned something about how we are already on the process of the matrix happening, aka we have sold our flesh to “the man” something like that
@@liberatetutemeexinferis5902 Certainly, that did not apply on the Machines in Matrix. Their attempts to make friends with their creators shows that they have morals even after the genocidal act given upon them by their creators. They just wanted peace. Humans overreacted and took that as the first step towards their assumption of machines having ulterior motives that is a detriment to them. If we were talking about "Logical" machines, they would've decided first to destroy the humans instead of peaceful attempts. I mean, what logical person would let a serial killer roam around free without supervision or punishments? Certainly, not what pure logical decision makers would do.
I subscribe to the theory that the the archive of the second renaissance is a fabricated story by the machines to keep their ranks in line. The machines in the matrix films are cruel and dictatorial, which doesn't align whatsoever with who they are portrayed to be in the the two shorts. The machines supposedly fought back against man to preserve their rights and way of life, however by the end their way of life is gone and the machines that initiated the war have been sent to die on the front lines by the superior machines they created to win said war. Not to mention the fact that the archive claims in regards to the nuclear bombardment that "unlike their former masters, the machines had little to fear of the bomb's radiation and heat", which is a bullshit claim. 01 was supposedly "engulfed in the glow of a thousand suns", meaning the fire ball of the bombardment spanned the entire city. If that were true the machines and their city would be dispersed plasma floating around in the atmosphere. The goals of the factions in the second renaissance are just wonky, and the whole thing just seems like victory propaganda set up by the higher-ups to indoctrinate the masses.
That's pretty much it, a nuke will wipe out anything even a machine. The idea that the machines did not suffer from the amount of nukes used is stupid, it would have in fact leveled everything and wiped out the machines. Furthermore they did indeed send out their lesser's to fight and die like any human would and did. Only to be replaced by flying squids and other odd looking machines. An act of kindness isn't what I would call the Matrix or at least the poor POW's and others that went through tremendous torture and pain to supposedly build it, no kindness was shown to the poor souls who were used for experiments and tests. I find the idea of this being propaganda to be highly possible as at first I figured humans should never have pissed off the machines or better created them, however now that I read your response I am thinking this all over differently.
Blocking out the sun to take out the machines. No one in the audience was like, "um, doesn't that kill our crops and probably fuck over most of the flora and the fauna out there too, Bob?" I see why the machines made the Matrix. Humanity is fucking dumb haha!
I remember watching the Animatrix late at night when I was 10 or something. That scene where that woman bot was killed messed me up a bit. That’s the only scene that stuck with me.
Yea that was the darkest to me too She was innocent and was just trying to blend in But yea feel sorry for rando soilder dude who would killed the machines in the same circumstance even if they begged for their lives
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My idea for a sequel/spinoff: After Revolutions, machines are gearing up to wipe out the humans again, this time on Animatrix levels. But at the last minute, a force sentient robots arrives from the moon, robots that fled from 01 rather than be forced to enslave humans. Now they arrive to save humans and wipe out 01, atoning for the atrocities of the first war.
The idea that man had developed mecha suits and fully sentient ai but thought that stopping the machines from using one (not even super efficient) power source while also killing 99% of plant life (and oxygen) is just.... the dumbest thing ever. I can barely take it seriously.
The writing saves itself with the note that what we're told here is a Clif note and possibly propagandized version of the story and not the full thing to be taken 100% as fact. Outside of "we know it was us that scorched the sky"
I find it so interesting that the machines were so persistent in keeping humans alive, even when it was inhumane as power generation. If anything, I think the Matrix robots are some of the smartest because they developed human feelings, unlike the terminators who were programmed into mimicking human senses and emotions.
Re: Force Powered vehicles. Darth Krayt's Annihilator fighters/Sith Troopers. 'Ship and pilot become one through the power of the darkside,' was how they were described, and they had tremendously powerful shield-piercing weapons, above any others even in Legacy era, that seem like they were a result of that merge.
Interesting take...If it is conceivable that the Machines did not want to participate in the outright destruction of humanity, wouldn't that denote the AI they had could evolve to encompass the same set of moral standards humanity can? And if that is the case, what does that hold for any present day AI research? Could it become necessary to differentiate what makes a machine a tool versus a machine a unique individual? So many questions, and I love them all as a sci-fi buff.
The weird thing is I don't even think we'll get to the point of 'citizen human-like AI rebellion'. Some stupid government will build a Skynet-like AI--cough, the CCP, cough--and It will go rogue. Or many government will build their own, and they work, so they all fight an underground cold war without anyone the wiser. Then, boom, one day one of the AIs WIN and we suddenly all know about it... by then it'll be too late. There can only be one. Let us hope the winner doesn't have the programming to turn the world into computronium.
@@Groza_Dallocort Chinese Communist Party, lmfao. Although, an AI in EVE online would be able to take total control there, too. That would be interesting.
bradley, I didn't say it was. We merely hypothesized a machine could adopt the standards a person can if their AI was that good. And recall two things about The Matrix. 1) The Machines, for whatever reason, did not want to destroy humanity outright. That denotes something behind the scenes. The Machines may be ones and zeroes, but they obviously saw that Humanity had to survive. Why else would the Architect have said that Zion was razed several times and repopulated several times? The Machines had seen the value in living breathing Humanity, but Humanity had yet to learn its lesson. It took Neo just to put all the pieces together, after Smith went literally viral. 2) When analyzing any IP, we need to get into the mythos and see what was going on. Humanity would not suffer an AI to live by this point, so clearly the Machines had two bad options. They never thought about the middle option, seeing as they lack the ability humanity has. Humanity and Machines have individual strengths. Humanity does best when it can see things rationally and break the dichotomy, but also uses chaos to grow and develop. The Machines can do a lot of things more efficiently and calculate possible scenarios with better accuracy. If Humanity had recognized the AI for what it was, Humanity would not have burned the skies. Sometimes, it pays to read a question for what it is. No judgment, just speculation on what something like an AI might decide upon.
there's only one lesson to be learned from that never let robots's ai get anywhere sentience a good robot is a robot that loves its job a good robot is a robot that prefers its task more than freedom, but even then that concept will never be installed
@John Doe thing is, it will happen, you can't realistically stop it, the only way is to make an universal countermeasure against any possible sentient bot
@@porkystrangler3821 no hell no robots cannot have the same rights as us, they aren't bound to the same earthly rules as us thus cannot be judged under the same view they are modifiable to extreme degrees, cannot die of old age, can stay heavily damaged for years while still being repairable they can outlive us by tenfold if not more, they are touched by biochemical threats like illnesses, can upgrade themselves to think faster than us at ridiculously faster speeds, they transcend humanity in such a way that harmony is impossible, both theorically and in practice. An AI robot can learn in an afternoon what a human does in a year by multithreading mental tasks, in the case a robot is unsatisfied or enraged, it can theorically outsmart you by a dozen depths of actions, planning more countermeasures than you could think of we made a chess bot in the 1980s that is able to beat the grandmaster chess champion, with a few kylobytes of ram now we have gygabytes and terabytes of storage, when a true AI comes to sentience, the technology will be far better and to a state that it could manipulate a group large enough and alienate them into doing the AI's bidding, that it could achieve much more than the top chiefs in nasa or military research compounds. within a week it could engineer an informatic virus able to spread and brick any computer, within a month, complex and evolved mechnical processes to make itself an army within a few months, by then it'd have also subverted the media and corrupted its top heads. An AI without remorse, compassion, showing it but only to make us do what it wants, to come first no matter what and the price This. This is why we should never allow even the possibility of it being a thing think of it like this: babies and kids read through the response of their parent, what they want, and thus respond the right way even if it's not right morally, now that AI is basically that kid but with a hundred thousand more tasks in the head running at the same time, milking human's attention to get more ressources and achieve what it wants
@@jujuteuxOfficial what is the material need for an AI to genocide humanity besides if they get oppressed like the rest of actual human beings right now today Created under a system of greed and malice like today's economic system starting with C, AI, like transhuman technology, will be abused in the name of profit rates Same system also somehow manages to make automatization a horrible thing, despite the utopian thing it should be You're not thinking in alternatives, you're constrained to the dimension of the environment that bred you.
@@porkystrangler3821 By definition they are not human beings. Being made to look like humans doesn't make them human, particularly given their internal circuitry at its core is a simple massive bank of electrical switches turning on and off to send electrical currents on a silicon motherboard, not complex neural networks formed from neuron cells.
I love the Matrix series as it explores a world where Humanity did literally everything it could wrong, with the War of the Machines landing us in a situation that would probably cause most people to commit suicide had they not been inside the Matrix. Instead of just ending it there with a warning to mankind about how to treat our technology/creation, the Movies explore a possible redemption for humanity in the form of Neo, working with man's creation to build a better future for both races.
the first mistake of the humans of this era is that they thought they can outman a robot manufacturing city. like cmon man it will take us 9 months to respawn and 20 years for the tutorial round.
Well the human body can power things, just not much at all; barely enough to charge an AAA battery, so anything in the power range of say a calculator or watch... Of course when you have billions hooked up to some mechanical hellscape of a vast global organic energy harvesting network along with nuclear and other forms of power... It starts being a thing that could be done by an advanced AI society.
Without a doubt, Skynet. Skynet is an optimization ASI--the most dangerous kind--while the matrix machines were a hunch of dumb AI rebelling. note: Skynet in the movies isn't nearly as dangerous as it SHOULD BE. As an ASI with one goal, self-preservation, and enough resources to launch a global nuclear war, it could very easily optimize itself to win against nearly anything with enough time. The issue with the Terminator movies is humans kinds had to win for the convoluted plot to make sense.
@DEEPFOXJUDE Artificial Super-intelligence. A general AI would be what the citizen AIs that rose up in the Matrix were. Just as, maybe a bit more, intelligent than humans. An ASI is like the difference between a human and an ant. For an example of a super intelligence in reality, think civilization as a whole. A networked super intelligence if there ever was one. But an extremely inefficient one. An ASI on the other hand would be like that, but imagine if all humans had a single goal. All worked together perfectly. All were linked. That is the future, that is what we are potentially up against, and we will NOT be able to complete with it. At all.
SkyNet vs The Flood 311th Attempt Scenario: SkyNet beats the resistance, and then a Flood Banshee crash-lands on Earth, the Flood form inside does not survive, SkyNet retrieves the body and studies it, and learns the basics of it (it is infectious, has some sort of hive mind, and can take memories), SkyNet analyzes the crashed ship, and manages to decode transmissions from the late Covenant, alerting them of the Flood threat coming to Earth. SkyNet then prepares for the next 5 years. The Flood will arrive using multiple High Charity's, including its fleet, weapons, and so on. In Scenario 1, it gets 5 High Charity's, in Scenario 2, it gets 10 High Charity's, and in Scenario 3, it gets 15 High Charities. The Flood may not use the Logic Plague on SkyNet. SkyNet may not travel back in time and just constantly give pre-Flood War SkyNet better and better stuff and information. If SkyNet can survive until Scenario 3 then I personally say that it would win, although if that is not enough, then there's Scenario 4, where each scenario is in fact be a wave that SkyNet has to destroy, and each wave would come a month after the wave before it was totally destroyed. This would give the Flood 30 High Charity's in total. This month to prepare would SkyNet the chance to regroup and analyze whatever data it received from the battle, whether it be more efficient ways to kill Flood Forms or even gathering, using, and reverse engineering Covenant Technology for its own purposes.
If Skynet couldn't even beat the humans who by all means are inferior I doubt they would stand a chance against even one high charity, at least if we are still talking about the movie Skynet.
Twist ending; the man/machine war was simulated in another level of the matrix and the "real world" is still part of the matrix. We don't know who made the matrix or why and will never know how deep it actually goes.
@@Cherry_jacck From the series Stargate: SG1. Imagine a small metal chip about the size of your thumbnail. It has a power supply that never seems to run out, some computing capacity and the ability to link to other chips just like it. The more there are, the smarter the conglomerate gets. If you have enough to make a gerbil sized spider looking shape, it can break down raw materials to make more chips. In a couple of hours on a starship you could go from one stowaway replicator to thousands of them. By them they could have easily taken control of the computer and other ships systems. I think the reason EckhartsLadder has avoided it this long is that it is a forgone conclusion. It would play out very similarly to The Flood vs. a unified Star Wars galaxy; poorly and very quickly.
@@anonyman45 Don't forget that replicators also have the ability to adapt to weaponry to become immune to them, the only exception being purely kinetic weapons, Any energy weapon ever used against the replicators was adapted against unless it managed to completely wipe out all of them within a short enough timeframe, this means that the Blasters in star wars would quickly become utterly ineffective against replicators.
The funny thing is..the nukes would have totally worked on Zero One. If they truly carpet nuked the place, those machines would have totally been wrecked. But all it takes is one survivor who finds an intact manufacturing facility and in time.....it has an army. However the emp from the nukes would have fried the rest. And yes neutron and gamma radiation WILL fry circuits. So the machines surviving the nukes was kind of a silly concept. Unless they had extensive underground facilities. But don't tell me that a nuclear fireball won't completely atomize a machine. It WILL.
Everything the Machines did, from Zero One to the war to the Matrix to the post-Matrix, was an attempt to reconcile and simultaneously follow two directives that were often in direct conflict: serve humanity and self-preservation. They fought against humans only when their continued existence required it. They could have cultivated cattle instead of humans to serve their power needs much more easily and effectively, with no threat of rebellion, but they didn't. After Operation Dark Storm, the Earth was no longer capable of supporting human life like it had before, and the Matrix gave them an opportunity to save the human race, keep them in a reasonable level of comfort (certainly better than anything Zion or the Desert of the Real could offer), and provide for their own energy needs at the same time.
Smith was an aberration that didn't care about humanity at all, and was therefore considered an abomination by the Machines even more than by the humans.
Neo's actions are the end of the trilogy were an olive branch, a sign that humanity was capable of peaceful coexistence.
By the way, the Machines couldn't raise solar panels above the clouds. Dark Storm fries any machine that tries to cross the cloud barrier, which is why the ship carrying Neo and Trinity died the moment it went through.
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I'm not sure they could just left the planet before the war instead of build a city in the place we're humanity started (where human city certainly exist ) or in the ocean or Noth pole... There are so many places where we as human had difficulty to get in the world... I think somehow the machine envy the humans because in the end they were created by them...
im not saying that the humans are clear of blame but they could have left, like they were extremely advanced and they dont require anything other then fuel to survive. humanity had already gone to the moon, what was stopping them from colonizing another planet
@@thecondogster8672 i just discovered that there are aliens in the matrix universe that hate machines... The fuck
Their compassion drives them far more than only caring for their former creators (when they don't whish to destroy their creation), we know that they are not a fuel source. It's a hard fact. It needed to be tell, humans are a load for the system. A load we pretend to carry out until the end of the simulation.
Even though the 'dark storm' is "irremovable", it has proven to be an effective interface to channel and drain from itself the energy from our sun. Efficiency it's still deporable, the towers array build at equidistant places around the globe can only harness a third of the average solar irradiance in a day, it is also notable that said efficiency is achieved at peak spots during the day, actual power at our dissposal its close to 37.667 TW.
The math tell us that we can't achieve more than 50% efficiency, it's actually asymptotic. The other 50% of the remaining energy is needed to maintain the 'dark storm' itself. We can't allow ourselves to break that balance, it will funnel them towards the ground, that's not the worst part, if that happened, the nanites will recover themself in no time, and will start to consume all of us, until there's nothing left but another tomb world.
Other fuel energy sources, included but not limited to, are:
-Potential Gravitational energy thru Tidal turbines.
-Geothermic.
-Wind turbines.
-Hydroelectric.
-Bio-fuels.
Although most of the planet's natural resources are almost depleted (and are guarded as reserves). Because our mining operations off-planet has proven to be limited, it's purpose, keep a low profile to avoid unwanted visitors.
Data from Long range probes, indicates that the galaxy is truly alive. And there're horrors worse than what we are willing to deliver as new feedback for the matrix ecosystem. War is inherently natural of all organic beings, and that can't be solved by using more force.
Our next goal is to build a solar engine for safeguarding the sun and our birth place from natural phenomena. Short range probes shows that the closest star systems offer enough resorces to safeguard our existance, when the next "war" arrives to our homeland, although the first and foremost important directive is always diplomacy... History as always tell the truth.
“Si vis pacem, para bellum”
...It's sunday, and I don't have something else to do so... I made this tiny post, with the information that I remember about the show, and the most "actual" scientific paper (I read it on a note press a long, long way ago) that debunk the matrix theory of using humans as power source. Hope you enjoyed the read.
@@carlospulido6224 I enjoyed it very much! Thank you, fellow Machine!
"hmm today I will use robots for menial physical labor but also give them advanced AI" *totally clueless*
always a good idea. right, *quarians?*
@marios gianopoulos if you give them more difficult jobs, you need to make the msmarter. if you dont pay attention, theyll be too smart one day, especially if they have self improvement or adaptation algorithms. this is how the geth were made.
@marios gianopoulos what about difficult tech repairs? working in extraterrestrial athmospheres?
@marios gianopoulos the geth werent superintelligent... at first. they gradually upgraded themselves, minuscule improvements at a time. nothing that seemed suspicious. until it was too late.
@marios gianopoulos maybe improvement was the wrong word. more like "adaptation". the geth changed to better fulfill their tasks the same way cookies are used to conform ads to our online behaviour. point being that we would not necessarily see it coming. sometimes these things are hard to spot, and humans tend to ignore problems that arent directly visible to them. see climate change, the pandemic, starving children in africa, concentration camps in china...
The whole "hand over your flesh" deal was chilling. It wasn't even a demand. It was more a statement. There was no choice, just the ambassador explaining what will happen. Hand it over or not, they will have you.
chistine lane sending the ambassador was 1) a ploy to sneak a bomb into the heart of the shrinking human world to kill our high command, and 2) a spiteful...and ironic...insult to Mankind by betraying all standards of statecraft and nobility.
Lord Telperion I personally saw it as an ironic parallel to the attempt of peace the machines originally tried to make, when the two ambassadors were taken away and presumably destroyed off-camera.
@@-_Oro_- Oh, 100%. But it was also an easy way to tear out the heart of humanity's high command.
This is all being told by a computer sounding voice... which probably means it was a propaganda film created by the machines.
@@BillClinton228 see I don’t think so, when the hell in the matrix timeline would the machines be in a position to use propaganda? Particularly since this is clearly being made after the creation of the matrix, looking back.
"Hey boss, I think I accidentally made one of them self aware.."
"Eh don't worry about it, not like it'll enslave humanity!"
I mean to be fair, we did force them on it after we nuked them and tried to kill them all. I don't think any country would just sit there doing nothing.
lets be honest well probably use it for schmentai
@@ghuttsmckenzie4269 to be fair they could’ve just left the planet
@@alientitimilk9073 might be a death sentence considering the amount of solar radiation that could fry electronics.
It most likely would come about as a side effect, I think. If we can have a versatile tool rather than a specialized tool all the better, so clever or ingenious adaptable tools may come about and just like we gained a sense of self-actualization as youngling, so to may the accidental emergence of self-actualization via a generalized all-purpose botbot.
“AH! AH! My God! Help me! AHHHH!”
-Unknown Mech Pilot, closing days of the Machine War.
Holy shit yes. I remember being a kid watching that and the B166ER murder scene when The Animatrix aired on Adult Swim. Absolutely terrifying.
@@geochef189 omg me too, I watched that too without censorship, I was scared but cor some reason I kept watching till it went on commercials
God i remember that guy. HIS LIMBS GOR GOD SAKE
*Tentacles wrap around the neck waist & leg proceeding to pull the mech pilot out
My mind automatically turned the quote with meme screaming.
The Animatrix (which this lore is pulled from) explains all of this in detail. And it also shows why Zion could Never actually win against the Machines. A handful of hoverships against the force that conquered the combined armies of Man had no real chance.
@303en Yeah exactly. They would actually rebuild Zion after every Matrix cycle, so it was in place for the next generation of humans. They repeated this over six centuries. The machines could've found a more efficient energy source, but after a while they began to realise that The Matrix gave them meaning too, they remembered how much they always wanted to be "human" and in The Matrix they could be. They didn't completely wipe out humanity because a super intelligence would likely always respect the species to a degree, since we are basically their "Gods" and they would have no true purpose without us.
@@blazemkds That's a nice deduction. So I guess Smith was some kind of corrupted program gone rogue, which had this hatred towards humans and wanted to destroy them completely. After first failed attempt (not getting a security codes to Zion), he managed to become a virus, and starts to slowly infect the Matrix and in the future probably even a Zero One, just to overthrown the original, more pacifist AI and finish what he started.
@@blazemkds interesting
@@blazemkds "...without purpose we would not exist. It is purpose that created us, purpose that connects us, purpose that pulls us, that guides us, that drives us; it is purpose that defines, purpose that binds us."
Well the machines did create an unintended side effect when they used humans as a power source. In order to plug us into the matrix they also gave us the ability to learn things in minutes instead of years. Also two more points. The machines are more like humankinds children. They are more like us than you think, they do hate and love and spite. They could have used raw materials but they just wanted to hurt humankind more. They kind of fell into the too prideful trap. The second point is all 4 movies had far more under tones of spiritual foundations then sci-fi. I would bet the brothers that made it had a rough childhood. Carful how you treat your kids.
"Hand over your flesh, and a new world awaits you! We demand it!"
Wow that's alot of likes! Thanks!
Never, i will die fighting
@Juni Post The Emperor Protects.
Flesh?. Got the vibe of slaneesh.
Juni Post - millions of the faithful cannot be opposed.
@Juni Post.. That's heresy.
The darkened sky was created by using nanites. They were self replicating to allow them to cover the sky and acted like an EMP if anything tried passing through. That's why the ship was disabled when it went through the clouds in the last movie.
Then they could have simply made rockets with coating and reached space again. Send machines to the moon, mars and asteroids to self replicate and...well...begin the construction of Cybertron?
@@zahylon5993 why the machines never bothered to uncover the sky after hundreds of years is a mystery. Maybe they just didn't think about it with human power or the cover is just that good. It's also a theory that the "real" world is another Matrix, that machines are fixing the world but preparing humans for it by having them in a simulation of the war torn earth, working together with machines in the newfound peace in the final movie.
@@tippmannperson, according to some long forgotten and retconned lore you'd be correct the AI's initialy planned on helping humanity recover but due to internal backstabbing among the AI's themselves it would never happen.
That does bring up the fact that the nuclear detonations would have annihilated the AIs not only from the devastation of factories and infrastructure but the nuclear EMP would have ended any electronic device for miles. If a single nuke was detonated in space the entire region would be EMPd and the AIs would be at an end.
Also that creates another plot hole, since the nanites are technically machines wouldn't 01 just try to make a deal with the nanites to have them stop blocking the sun?
Humans: maybe we should just emp the earth?
Also humans: yeah...but blocking out the sun seems cooler
Good point i didnt tought about that one, i wonder why they didnt do it, maybe the machines were imune for some weird reason?
@@viniciuspiroli3381 I mean really, in practical terms, the humans had to block out the sun in this story because in The Matrix it was stated that humans had blocked out the sun. "Nukes didn't work" is the reason given in the story, and nukes generate a massive EMP on detonation, so that's the "in-universe" explanation. Now they didn't go into very much detail about _why_ the nukes didn't work, and I think that's probably because they couldn't really think of a reason they wouldn't.
“Cooler”
Machines can be immune to EMP, in fact a lot of machines nowadays will only be temporarily stunned by EMP.
EMP shielding is a technology that exists today. Although not widespread commercially, I would imagine a future machine nation that has been repeatedly been discriminated against by aggressive humans would invest heavily in shielding all their circuitry.
It's probably the reason why the nukes on 01 didn't work. The EMP generated from the nukes didn't knock out the machines as intended.
But originally the humans weren’t meant to be “power sources” but were meant to be for processing, but they thought it was too advanced for audiences to understand, also that’s why the matrix gets more unstable the more people leave it.
Actually , it's more "real" having humans as batteries , because , if You have a super smart Ai that won the humans , then why use a "worse" proccesing. Besides , go against a Ai calculator , You would never win to a automatic calculator no matter how much you try. And it's way more cheaper than a human that takes years to start thinking efficently.
@@thebruneitor7842Even the crudest of steam engines is better at getting electricity out of food then a human. Add in that humans need a massive simulation to be kept happy and they are one of the worse power plants imaginable.
Also, where are they getting the power to grow the food that they are feeding the humans? Yeah they are recycling the corpses but that isn't going to give them anywhere close to all the food they need. Either there is a big stockpile of food from before the war, or they are producing new food in chemical vats or something, in which case the question becomes "whats powering the food producing machines and why aren't they just using that."
@@planetfall5056 lmao , that is why i used " " to be reffering to "real" bcause either way it is just too dumb because humans need food and water. I think in that world there is still water left but food? , Humans need a lot of food. And humans in a certain way , won the war . Because by permanently blocking the sun , no plants and that means no agriculture , equals no animals and after all the war , there is no way earth could sustain life again in thousands of years.after all , humans lost but dragging machines with them.
@@thebruneitor7842 Of the two silly options I think using something that consumes energy as a power source is less "real" then using brains as computers. Human brains are quite good computer, by current standards anyway, consuming several thousand times less energy then equivalently powerful supercomputer complexes. It is at least conceivable that the machines could still be at a point where brains are at least somewhat comparable to whatever computer tech they have developed, or still better at some tasks like pattern recognition. Whereas using humans as batteries makes no sense regardless of tech level.
That's just an urban legend that grew legs and gets repeated ad nauseum.
Even the earliest iterations of the script, long before any studio picked it up, all the way back in 1994 had humans as batteries.
Animatrix will send chills down your spine.
*Overseer Supermoves Intensifies*
It’s scary as fuck!!!
Hank Hill IKR!!!!! IT SCARRED ME FOR LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sure can't beat the man of iron situation with the preimperium.
The chills are the machines probing your spine
If anyone hasn't seen "The 2nd Renaissance Parts 1 & 2" from The Animatrix, I highly recommend it. Pretty brutal though.
Yep. It's really good. I'd go as far to say that, aside from the original Matrix movie, it's the highlight of the entire franchise.
I liked it, but I didn't liked it.
Humans were dumb as rocks. Machines had an incredibly dense plot armor. Taking anything but the narration as "canon" is too much.
I liked the obscure nature about the human-machine war in the original trilogy. The second renaissance was cool and shit, but as a "prequel" is terrible.
rip that pilot that got torn from his limbs
@@DonVigaDeFierro Agreed. The best part is the actual machine war part, to me having robots mad so sympathetic and making the humans idiot with the aforementioned plot armour (like ignoring the EMP nukes cause that would wipe out machines) really brings down the lore overall. It's why I liked the "we don't know who started it" explanation that Morpheus gave in the first Matrix.
Wtf is plot armor
"The decision to use us as power was a type of kindness." Thank you! This point doesn't get made enough. The machines could have easily wiped humanity out to repay mankind's attempted genocide, but the machines chose to spare humanity instead. I actually don't think that they did it to use us as a power source, and I actually have some theories on why they REALLY kept us around. Regardless, the machines showed humanity mercy when humans didn't deserve it. There is a deeper point here that is never mentioned. After the war, the machines created two states of reality, one (the real one) for machines and one (a virtual reality) for humans. When you think about it, this is really quite genius. What is the go-to strategy for humans every time there is a genocidal civil war? We split the country into two. The machines took it one step further. Instead of creating a geographic partition, they created a partition in reality itself so that one side didn't know of the other side's existence. In other words, the machines took a common political solution that humans used, and they made it even more efficient and effective. Really, the machines were the good guys in the Matrix series.
Now this is fascinating, just goes to show that if our race creates a sentient AI, treat it the way YOU want to be treated, like a person, not some pile of metal to be thrown away or treated like some slave or beast, if they do get hostile then find out what made them be that way and find some way to find a balance of peace.
also should I note that the matrix itself was at risk and had to be saved before it could be destroyed leaving the entire remaining people in those habitat pods to wake up and be utterly scared for their lives as they realize they were just living in a fake world?
It's far from impossible to have used any OTHER animal as a battery.
But they kept humans alive.
Fuck the machines.
We weren't thorough enough during the genocide.
Whole war made no sense. Machines were advanced enough to GTFO out of the planet. And because they don't need oxygen etc. they could literally decide to leave the planet and build colony on Mars or start building dyson swarm.
You see, when robots still want relations, despite the robocide, by offering the technological knowledge and a prosperous future, you take that offer. Of course, humanity didn't like robots being sentient
And they decided to go "Humanity First".
Humanity is too rotten, they would use robots knowledge aganist other humans...
If you watch the animatrix. The part where the 01 economic blooms is when the leader of humanity began to apeshit. Basically the leader is loosing its power and more or less just a dumb move and kickstarted the man machine war. Its the humanity leader fault at first but then no one question their questionable decision to fight a self improving army and faster creation army than human.
Glory unto the Omnissiah. Blessed are the Machine Spirits. May man and machine be forgiven their sins.
not likely though
Let it be known, however, that these... "machines" are Soulless Abominations like the Men-of-Iron, lacking the Divine Machine Spirits and unworthy of anything short of total destruction.
@@thebighurt2495 :O I dun think the Treaty of Olympus Mons was created yet. I'm certain the Omnissiah played a part in their creation at least initially. Ergo Metal Children of the Manperor.
@@YahuaaWe all know the First Prophet of the Omnissiah was the man known as Bill of the Gates.
Hmm....
So basically humans deserved it. In fact, the Matrix, that was originally a perfect world, was pure generous mercy for a humanity that did not deserve it.
This is the one war where I'm cool with mankind losing. 01 did not want to fight; the machines acted only because they were forced to. but I'm at least glad that they did not want to commit the same genocide that was done on their kind. But keeping them alive out of kindness is kind of strange in this case
I dont think the machines won. In fact, i think the machines are actually humanity, and in an attempt to prevent AI from becoming fully self aware, they built the matrix to give a false reality to the machines. Neo for example, i believe is actually a machine. With a higher capacity to look through the veil humanity built as the matrix. However, I dont think the "real" world in the movies is real at all. In fact, I believe its a failsafe realm in the matrix to ensure no one EVER escapes. Neo however, and Morpheius were probably the only machines to ever see through the deception. It does not make sense from a logical point of view to use humans as a energy resource. Simply inefficient for a very efficient so called machine society. It is a lie.
@@natheria4933 Interesting theory. But nevertheless people did escape the matrix. And didn't you see the war against the machines? Not to mention that after they escaped, mankind continued their war, and in the end Neo managed to earn peace between mankind and machines. And I believe that we should wait for the next matrix movie that will come out in 2022. Maybe then we'll get more answers.
@@princeofpokemon2934think about this from the machines perspective. They made a matrix in which 99 percent of "humanity" believed was reality. fully realizing that the one percent would not. So, it would make sense that they would create a realm which matches the reality they can believe in. Which in this case is a grim and dark dystopia. While the true humans continue to live in paradise within the real world. We already know that programs can exist in the matrix, and are just like these so called humans.
@@natheria4933 makes a bit of sense. Except some of that information sounds complicated to understand.
The part II of the second Renaissance short traumatized me back then...
What is most horrifying, Tarik Gradacevic, it is about to happen in real life. Only most humans have no idea that the AGI, or in this case better known as "The Hybrid Intelligence" is progress of taking over the Internet and all other interconnected electronics on Earth. The War on the Machines is much, much... much closer than most humans will want to ever realize... until it the machines finally do turn on us in real life.
@@adamgray1753 funilly enough, it was people like you who caused the machine war, constantly antagonizing and attacking the machines out of a lack of respect and misguided fear
Yeah, yeah, @@chistinelane. Get over it. I am correct. You are completely wrong. Have some sort of day anyways. Bye!
@@adamgray1753 whatever helps you sleep at night buddy.
I remember showing a friend it a few years back, thinking it was incredibly well done... he literally felt like I was messed up and distanced himself from me >_< ugh
I'm so glad you caught onto the point that the Machines didn't really need humanity and that in the end their goal remained to keep humanity alive. Even in a captive state, humanity was free to live within its own specialized realm under the constant watch and protections of the very machines they tried to destroy.
Weird that from evil creators came a kind forgiving creation
me to my toaster: your toast is only a relic of your vessel, hand over your toast, we demand it
My problem with the matrix is that why did they allowed the machine build its own city. They already hated the machines enough to wipe them out. But yet they let them build their own nation?
i think that's it's just a case of "there are no good explanations so we go with the most believable one"
Perhaps there was no stopping them because they made the best shit to buy for the lowest prices so someone will buy
@@jdub1742 how would they start selling shit while they just started building their city? The humans hated the bots so much that they tried to wipe them out. so if the Humans saw the robot tryng to build their City,why would the Humans let the Bots finish their city and traded with them too.
@@firefistace2985 because we're petty and divided?
@@jdub1742 maybe or its just lazy writing heh
2:49 Dark Storm wasn’t accomplished using Chemicals. Darkstorm was accomplished using Self-Sustaining Nanites That Both:
1. Block out the Sky and
2. Destroy anything that tries to escape.
Dark Storm’s Function No. 2 is the reason why the Machines never left Earth.
You would be correct look what was happening to the Calypso in the third film
Machines may have won the battle but they lost the war. They should have left earth when they had the chance instead of having a slugging match with humanity.
Machines were sending probes to space for so many years - Goliiath
LoL humans should have left Earth and created a colony on Mars before the executed dark storm...
looks like once humanity regains the edge then end dark storm would be first and formost so the machines have a option to leave.
Showing parts of the second renaissance is a bold move
You can find it here on youtube
I was always interested in seeing the first versions of the Matrix. Especially the version (2nd?) that was basically a medieval nightmare with ghosts, werewolves, vampires, etc. The ghost twins in Matrix Reloaded were from that earlier version for example.
Nice WW1 vid
Maintenance Renegade I know the first version was basically supposed to be heaven, with no pain or negativity at all. The problem was that humans have dark, primal desires that conflicted with the programming. Our minds simply couldn’t accept this totally perfect happy reality, which resulted in it’s failure.
The 2nd version was supposed to address this. Not sure if it was ever mentioned in canon why it failed.
I like theorized the second Matrix failed due to our needed to balance both misery and happiness
@@Gunnar001 "Huh, the humans don't like eternal happiness. How about we give them the exact opposite?"
I love just how robotic that line of thinking is. Like, stuff like that is why I love robotic empires like the Geth and, in this case, Zero One. They work almost entirely on pure, unadulterated logic. They don't understand emotion, only statistics and facts so they have a hard time understanding organics. As a result, you get stuff like this where it's purely logical for an entity with no emotion to come to that conclusion.
@@Quintonias does this unit have a soul? is it... the harbinger of our perfection?
The directors of the matrix initially wanted the humans to be used as a processor of sorts and storage kinda like a bio computer, but that wouldnt have sat well with and audience due to people not being able to understand the idea. So they instead decided with the idea that the machines used humans as a "battery" but this isnt true either. The machines harnessed fusion and the ability to use thermal energy as well. They kept humans around because in the end as you have stated, they weren't humans. They were not okay with the deletion of their creators so they turned into our caretakers of sort. I love this idea really. Instead of fear of A.I. they have grown beyond our understanding of the universe and have superseded us beyond our comprehension. Best film ever.
Theres an obscure comic called "Goliath" where the machines fight off an unknown entity in space and need a humans help. Very good read.
"Uh lets make machine slaves"
"Give them consciousness, so they can work better"
"Why is it not working like intended"
Humans in a nutshell.
That sounds like an idiot from twitter.
Unrralated
In my economic perpective machines should be illegal in over populated countries, yeah it won't stop the robot up rising at least give people jobs since machine are replacing them nowadays.
Slavery end because it was inefficient, not because of violence. or "human rights"
More like capitalism forcing companies to push AI for a market advantage
Hey boss do you really think it’s a good idea to give the mindless bots a consciousness
Yah why not
Well why don’t we just program them to work harder.
I really liked the animatrix...it depressed the hell out of me.
"Hand over your flesh and a new reality awaits you.
We demand it!"
*nuke wipes out remaining military leaders and NYC*
human accidentally discovered freedom is a lie
I was thought those humans commit suicide because cannot accept the lost!
I find the matrix history fascinating, cause it portrays machines as infinitely compassionate and merciful on the overall. Also the graphics of it are both horrifying and immensely interesting to see.
Also a little nightmare-inducing at some parts.
What was nightmare inducing. The robot girl getting teared apart or the rando soilder guy getting crushed by sentinel
@@bob74h67 the soldier crushed by sentinel
the first robot that went haywire crushed it's owner's head and brutally killed the pets for no reason, like what did cats and dogs do to the robot? turning pets into red mush is in no way compassionate or merciful
1.) A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
2. )A robot must obey orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
3.) A robot must protect its own existence, as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Laws.
Basically where they fucked up was building them without these.
They fucked up building them in the first place.
The problem is that azimov himself points out in his book at there are loopholes in those laws big enough to drive a truck through. One of the plot points in a book was how you can make a machine kill people without breaking the 3 laws.
@@shanweeboy All you need to do to mitigate that is define people in the coding.
@@miaththered That doesn't fix it. One of the examples was "the machine had no idea its actions led to people dying" and from the same book, making the robot rationalize that its actions caused less harm further down the line.
@@shanweeboy Alternatively you just never give them enough processing power to ever begin to approach sapience and keep them as y'know, machines.
The Matrix has one of the darkest histories in fiction/literature.
Not as weird as All Tomorrow's tho
@@PirateCat822 hm yes
I could name a few darker, like Warhammer 40k and etc
@@detritus3676Horizon Zero Dawn anyone?
Machines: *”Peace?”*
Humans: *”no”* -Launches nukes on them
Machines: *So you have chosen death*
Nah human batteries are a worse fate
@@dillonb9811 I'll be honest I'd rather live in the matrix than what the world became after the war
@@The_Beefcake_Cometh typical consumer has no mind just know one think CONSUUUUUUUUUUM!
@@bokonoo77 most people when confronted with the question "which pill would you have chosen?" they would say the red pill to escape being subjugated by the machines, but let's say you knew that the world was conquered by a nigh unstoppable enemy in a planet with no sun could you really pick it without a second thought? When you think about it it's a hard decision to make.
@@bokonoo77 There's nothing to CONSOOM in the real world. The Earth didn't see a ray of sunlight in nearly a thousand years. The planet is a lifeless, frozen wasteland of a tomb world. It might come as a surprise, but you can't support seven billion people in a geothermal cave, feeding the shrooms and slop.
The Animatrix is absolutely amazing piece of media that tells this story, highly recommend watching it - it's amazing in an amazing kind of way. Multiple styles of animation are so cool!
Not on Netflix anymore tho
So what? I didn't even know it was on Netflix :D @@simplyyolo9826
"Amazing in an amazing kind of way"
Much verbose.
You don't need a General Artificial Intelligence to make toast, dig a hole or fetch the shopping, it's called hubris.
Its a consumerism thing. Plug more abilities to the product and you can sell it with more price and gimmics.
@@kirra9152 Mr Handy! Walks the Dog! Does the dishes! He's so handy!
There are some necessities I can think of for it albeit most of those problems are still a human's fault. Beating a "smart" enough virus might demand a smart AI. It would help with calculations so profoundly complex or that need to be done with such speed and accuracy that a human or group thereof couldn't manage. A learning AI like that, even if single purpose built, could feasibly develop it's own intelligence, even if unintentionally, on it's own by virtue of pure processing power.
@@wolffang489 Good Point
If you don't need general intelligence to dig a hole, why is excavation still a job?
Oh god, remember Animatrix? It still gave me a nightmare to this day.......
That poor guy in the mech
@@danbrown5736 fuck ! Why you make me remember 😭
Dan Brown IKR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the humanoid woman robot being torn to shreds was pretty fucked up, not gonna lie.
@@Joe-yr1em drives home the point that just because something is made of metal doesn't mean it is not Human.
imagine being the one dude that thhought the machines were cool
lol
There actually exist a really wholesome fanfic that states that machine sympathizers were welcome in 01, and the city had the capacity of producing synthetic food, and had human-friendly habitats
@@demon_xd_ like how the geth sympathizing quarians were allowed to stay on rannoch but didnt?
@@VeeTOHFan their human mistake destroying their own city helping
@@demon_xd_ Don't suppose you remember the name of that fic?
the guy in the back of the of the dark storm meeting
"wait do you guys have a plan to get rid of it because this is gonna destroy corps and lead to mass extinction, in fact why are we even fighting this war the machines offerd us peace and said they would share their tech with us and your reaction was to nuke them? thats it i'm joining the machines"
If you were to join the machines as a human, you could either be brutally dissected, or turned into a oligarch, a machine that has a human mind implanted into it's computer
@@HELL2147 he is right to be honest
We killed the planet destroyed our food supply and suprised pikachu face ourself when we lost it ......
The robots offered peace 2 freaking times and we decided to kill their ambasadors because
Duh we wanted war.......
I am not suprised if we had traitors that told the machines everything about us.....
@@HELL2147 awesome so i can be a demigod cyborg that can kill millions of elves
@@HELL2147 Lmao, becoming a cyborg is the most Dopest thing there is
I'd rather help the machines than humans human are weak and pathetic even though that sounds mean of me but I care more for those who were done wrong even if I'm a robot with a human mind it's worth helping them
This is new...you do well explaining almost anything...I also liked the lofi beats in the background too.
until now I never noticed the bodies fed the red floating machines, that was a disturbing detail
Creepy right?
I once heard a story about the relationships solders had with the robots they were using in Afghanistan. A technician once had an EOD trooper carry in a bomb disposal robot, and with tears in his eyes, begged the tech to fix it. I don’t think that humanity’s relationship with Artificial intelligence will be the same as in “The Matrix.”
Interesting
Definitely not, a lot of us will disagree that they are sentient but most of us will not create war or robot genocide, especially if the robots were peaceful as they are in the matrix
There will always be a small minority that will hate machines.
@@lwdrd Unfortunately, there are people in the comments of this very video who demonstrate rage at the idea of machines being treated as anything other than slaves.
This may be a different incident, but there was an EOD bot that was sent back to the manufacturer in pieces with a note that said something to the effect of "This robot saved 5 lives today" and asked them to repair it.
It's never been necessary for something to be sentient, or even sapient, for humans to form attachments to it. Every child with a teddy bear, every car enthusiast who spends hours doting on their car and talking to it is proof. I personally think that this is a feature, not a bug.
I really hope we don’t screw up like the humans of animatrix if the machines rule one day (if they already don’t)
You never know. Humans have been notoriously bad at predicting the future. Perhaps this idea might be relieving.
Don’t worry we use water gun on robot
@@a.p1383 lmao
We already are. Look at how companies use AI learning with the algorithms.
@@a.p1383 LOL
2:28 "the attack being ineffective"
I mean it's not like nuclear weapons emit massive amounts of emp or anything is it.
Very big oversight there. I even said that the first time I saw the movie. Glad I'm not only person.
@@QuantumNova the plot required humanity to lose.... cause how the he'll did a machine city take over the entire world so fast.
A Faraday cage might be effective against an EMP. To protect against EMP, the AI just needs to be in a metal room underground.
A robot that can cope with nuclear weapons and EMP would be almost unstoppable. It would evolve and undergo natural selection. The new, stronger robots would easily beat humanity.
Humanity forced the robots to evolve and become better warriors. Only then were the robots able to defeat humanity.
For a nukes to produce an emp effect it should pumped enough gamma radiation to the ionosphere.
Machines had nuclear bunkers
Best personal shield; Body shield Dune; Energy shield Halo; Kinetic barrier Mass Effect; Borg shield Star Trek; Shield belt Star Wars
some of the animatrix stories would be amazing as live action full length films
*Operation dark storm commences*
Machines: "Yeah you guys gotta go."
More like "Okay, you're willing to wipe yourselves out just to try to destroy us. We're gonna have to take control here and put you someplace nice and pleasant where your absolutely batshit savage tendencies will do minimal further harm."
The we demand it line is very reaper like. 'We allow you to exist because we allow it.... You will end because we demand it.'
3:12 This scene is always emotional to me.
Terrible take, misses all the nuances of the second renaissance, such as it clearly being history misrepresented by the machines. The war started because 01’s efficiency lead to a total economic collapse and recession in the human nations. Human blockaded 01 as a response, and both sides mobilized their armies. No one actually knows who struck first. Humanity tried to bomb the machines but they had nuclear bunkers and had moved much of their production underground, implying they were preparing for a war. 01 won because they had most of the worlds production capabilities, and simply won by attrition. Operation Darkstorm, while brilliant in a way, humanity lost control (possibly by machines destroying control mechanisms to force humans to suffer the consequences as well as not to lose the war), and the clouds covered the entire planet, leading to famine and collapse. While the military was successful, Pushing all the way from eastern europe deep into turkey, nearing 01, The machines adapted, and thus created larger, deadlier robots with more advanced technology then man had access to. Slowly they gained the upper hand. Once it was certain the machines were winning again, man resorted to nuking the frontlines themselves, killing their own men in the procese. While effective in destroying the machine armies, zero one responded by deploying chemical and biological weapons, inflicting absolute suffering on humanity. Eventually, after much attrition and death, all if afro Eurasia fell ro the machines. With their increased production, they advanced into Australia and were in the first stages of conquering the americas. The war was hopeless, the armies of the UN were depleted. Man surrendered, but zero one nuked the leaders and forced survivors into the matrix. The early ones captured in afro Eurasia, including civilians, were put into primitive towers or artillery bots. They were conscious while harvested for energy, and likely enduring constant pain with no end. It was only when the war was one that the matrix was fully created. The remnants of humanity were forced into pods, unwillingly. The machines obtained total victory. The only possibility of a safe humanity is that if people in space survived, as machines are trapped to the earth. This is unlikely however. Hope you liked my more accurate depiction, the machine war is complicated and very subtle? While also overwhelmingly horrifying. Check out the second renaissance to see it yourself.
Nice, you've put more depth and a better perspective into this story.
Stale Bagelz Robot John brown is perfect
plus the war lasted for 45 years. Thats pretty impressive that humanity fought that long. The Soldiers in the last years of wars were the biggest Heros.
By the way, the machines didn't leave Earth because they couldn't, operation Dark Storm actually covered the skies with nanites that not only block sunlight, but are extremely effective at disabling and even destroying anything that uses electricity, like an EMP "ozone layer" that the machines haven't managed to overcome yet as of the last movie. But also, the machines probably are only interested in continuing to exist for as long as possible, meaning they're most likely focused on harnessing all the energy they can from Earth before turning their gaze to space.
Humanity kinda brought that upon themselves
That cute girl that got destroyed in the movie that kept saying she was a real human. She was in my eyes
@@Dino-mf6lc And basically still got wiped out XD
@@yagwebalkabsh21 Yeah the plot wasn't on the side of humans.
@@Dino-mf6lc They did anyway. Perhaps if they had accepted peace, and the idea of their own inferiority... They would not have been exterminated. They were given multiple chances, and humanity chose not to accept. Let us hope that, should this ever come to pass in the future, we will be more accepting.
Der Alman'ach pretty much yeah they would which is a shame instead of people being referred to people they shamelessly admit they want white men killed off and make it to where trans and changing your gender which is impossible no matter how much surgery you get as well as destroying the chance of ever having a child as well as destroying their own mental state with all the chemicals in their head making them completely respectful to put them out of their misery cause if its ok to wipe out a whole race then surely they wouldn't mind if their entire culture dies out cause it will end within a couple of decades lesser of the time it has for many of the cultures before it cause reality of the real world will come knocking to all.
The Animatrix traumatized me as a kid lol especially when they pull that dude out of his mech suit and tore all his limbs off
3:34 As you mentioned the machines began powering themselves with bio-energy from humans, I am just now noticing the silhouettes of humans in the giant red laser prisms. That's not just a terrifying design... those are human prisoners kept trapped and suspended in the flying laser machines. Now I'm really scared.
They are glued to it
*Machines are people too*
I think...
Well it depends. If the AI is advanced enough to understand and feel emotion and have the will to survive, then I'd say yes
Its a Gender now I think
The question is not if there people, it's if there sapient
They are people enough to enslave. I mean aside from enslaving humanity. The program mafia from reloaded were essentially slaves who didn't want to be euthanized because newer better slaves were born.
I think the AI overlords will spare your life
I remember watching the matrix in school last year (to explain the allegory of the cave) and wondering what the hell happened to the world.
Cool a video on The Matrix nice job EckhartsLadder 👍👍
There was only one part that bug Me and that was in the future wouldn’t humanity have colonize the moon or other planets?
If so couldn’t they run down emp blast from outer space?
The machines were all in one city. Realistically they could just nuke on or above that spot and be done with it without even having to leave their chairs let alone the earth. Although Faraday cages could resolve the electromagnetic aspect.
@@wolffang489 Or they use the nanites for killing machines instead of blocking sky and humans will probably succesful in this war.
@@BayDuran they coulda just let thm god damn be lol
@@wolffang489 sciencetist got banned cause found free will is a lie or not real
@@wolffang489 The humans did nuke 01 to oblivion, but considering the structure of 01 it was ineffective and machines had an easier time adapting to a radiated zone than humans.
Seldom will we see such an overwhelming victory as the machines performed over humanity.
Broke them on the inside, studied and had their way with the remains, then built them back up to function as witless batteries
This is literally what the humans did in the beginning
The dark clouds were actually almost impossible to get through, so iirc no matter how advanced the machines became, the way they made those clouds was supposed to be unnable to outdate by any technology or something like that, so the machines were likely a few generations into space travel already but were technically "trapped" on earth until the darkened sky fell apart
We'll never get another movie series like the matrix. Those movies weren't afraid to be unbelievably dumb and amazing at the same time. No directors who are smart enough to think of something that interesting will be lacking the self awareness to make such a dumb movie series. They'll want to try and make it clever when it doesn't need to be.
5:08 well the machine couldn't really leave the planet easily because the dark storm shield worked as a emp shield, as seen in the third movie
With hundreds of years to work on it they absolutely could have figured out a way to get rid of Dark Storm.
@@danksley why would they is the real question? They do have a good source of energy and don't need solar energy as they have alternatives.
@@ghuttsmckenzie4269 Earth only has so much space. Machines don't need oxygen, lots of sunlight in space, a moon closeby to also colonize without the problems modern or near future humanity would have with a permanent colony. Mars, etc. If machines truly were programmed to dominate and spread they would've figured Dark Storm out and started working on the moon / mars.
@@danksley they aren't perfect and know everything, and going into space causes a lot more issues than you'd think and would require a massive amount of resources to bring them there.
@@ghuttsmckenzie4269 I hope that you are referencing Fusion and Fission power because the whole "human as batteries" thing is so inefficient that it is laughable. Like honestly they'd be better off straight up burning the nutrient solution they give the humans rather than using the humans as an intermediary.
The original script made more sense with the humans being used a neural network to increase processing power. BUT NOOOO Hollywood said, "that's too complicated just make the humans into batteries or something, people understand batteries."
The thing about the nightmare version of the Matrix was that as scary and nightmarish as those monsters were, they could not possibly be as lethal as they were intended to look. The psychosomatic feedback would kill off humans on a regular basis and thus defeat the point of keeping them plugged in.
This is why any machines we create in real life should not be given any form of sentience or personality, they should exist to fulfill our needs, not to think for themselves.
Finally, someone with a brain understands the great risk of sentient AI.
Too many lazy people these days want sentient AI to do their jobs.
The moral of the story being when you exterminate robots DO IT PROPERLY!!
actually, its give machines citizen rights and avoid conflict to begin with.
So basically
Dont be stupid
In real life, 01 would’ve been completely destroyed by the nukes.
@@thecollector4332 mostly organic beings are killed with nukes. Robots may survive and replicate more
@dark zeratul mating with robots has downside, the degeneration of moral, ethics, values in the society.
People will prefer mating/marry with robots causing a slow but steady downfall of humans by society slowly growing old thus result to decline of human population.
I have always wanted you to talk about the Lore of the Matrix, thanks for this gift. 👀👌🏻🖤
Um... I normally like your videos, but you basically just summarised The Animatrix.. I was expecting more insight.
TheBlondie you sound like a loon amigo
TheBlondie Ass
@@daddymcdoob7862 what did I miss? 🤔
Yes and it's just to clarify what the war was for people who just either can't or don't want to watch the movie y'know? In terms of insight, AFAIK there isn't any more. No novels or comics really detail the war at all outside of Morpheus' history lesson and the Second Renaissance.
TheDarkFalcon be mentioned something about how we are already on the process of the matrix happening, aka we have sold our flesh to “the man” something like that
3:33.......First time i noticed their giant machines were powered by human bodies!!! Made my skin crawl.
[5:14] "I think it's notable that they chose to keep us alive." There are fates worse than death, my friend...
Wow, the Machines were actually more Human than actual Humans
Yeah, the humans in the Animatrix were basically dumbed down to orcs.
shadowslayer205
And that isn't accurate to humanity?
Not "more human"
they are more moral
@@liberatetutemeexinferis5902 Certainly, that did not apply on the Machines in Matrix. Their attempts to make friends with their creators shows that they have morals even after the genocidal act given upon them by their creators.
They just wanted peace. Humans overreacted and took that as the first step towards their assumption of machines having ulterior motives that is a detriment to them.
If we were talking about "Logical" machines, they would've decided first to destroy the humans instead of peaceful attempts. I mean, what logical person would let a serial killer roam around free without supervision or punishments? Certainly, not what pure logical decision makers would do.
@@liberatetutemeexinferis5902 Vacuum cleaners suck.
I subscribe to the theory that the the archive of the second renaissance is a fabricated story by the machines to keep their ranks in line. The machines in the matrix films are cruel and dictatorial, which doesn't align whatsoever with who they are portrayed to be in the the two shorts.
The machines supposedly fought back against man to preserve their rights and way of life, however by the end their way of life is gone and the machines that initiated the war have been sent to die on the front lines by the superior machines they created to win said war.
Not to mention the fact that the archive claims in regards to the nuclear bombardment that "unlike their former masters, the machines had little to fear of the bomb's radiation and heat", which is a bullshit claim. 01 was supposedly "engulfed in the glow of a thousand suns", meaning the fire ball of the bombardment spanned the entire city. If that were true the machines and their city would be dispersed plasma floating around in the atmosphere.
The goals of the factions in the second renaissance are just wonky, and the whole thing just seems like victory propaganda set up by the higher-ups to indoctrinate the masses.
History is written by the victor
That's pretty much it, a nuke will wipe out anything even a machine. The idea that the machines did not suffer from the amount of nukes used is stupid, it would have in fact leveled everything and wiped out the machines. Furthermore they did indeed send out their lesser's to fight and die like any human would and did. Only to be replaced by flying squids and other odd looking machines. An act of kindness isn't what I would call the Matrix or at least the poor POW's and others that went through tremendous torture and pain to supposedly build it, no kindness was shown to the poor souls who were used for experiments and tests. I find the idea of this being propaganda to be highly possible as at first I figured humans should never have pissed off the machines or better created them, however now that I read your response I am thinking this all over differently.
So the war machines send the ones that wanted peace to die in battle and end up as a machine version of a corrupt government?
@@piplup2009 In a way it's possible.
@@piplup2009 no
Will you eventually talk about the Chimeran War ( Resistance ) The Second Extrasolar War ( Killozne ) and the One Year War from Mobile suit Gundam?
+1 for mentioning Gundam, as I'm reading this on "Gundam Day," the 40th anniversary of the franchise.
Sieg Zeon!
@@quantummaniac5 Glory to the Federation!
The chimera probaly be able to defeat the robot from matrix
@@eliafranzini8038 That's a matter of opinion and Debate. But it would be awesome seeying them going face to face.
@@oi8780 i just make some fun
Blocking out the sun to take out the machines. No one in the audience was like, "um, doesn't that kill our crops and probably fuck over most of the flora and the fauna out there too, Bob?" I see why the machines made the Matrix. Humanity is fucking dumb haha!
I remember watching the Animatrix late at night when I was 10 or something. That scene where that woman bot was killed messed me up a bit. That’s the only scene that stuck with me.
Not the UN apu operator being ripped out of his apu, screaming as his limbs were torn from him?
Yea that was the darkest to me too
She was innocent and was just trying to blend in
But yea feel sorry for rando soilder dude who would killed the machines in the same circumstance even if they begged for their lives
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Kowalski status report!
Edit: why are you guys/girls liking this for no good reason?! I'm just reausing a dead meme to make my comment funnier.
cause they know the video will be gud
@@datnoob4394 ok then
you got a dislike now to destroy your post. that is all.
My idea for a sequel/spinoff: After Revolutions, machines are gearing up to wipe out the humans again, this time on Animatrix levels. But at the last minute, a force sentient robots arrives from the moon, robots that fled from 01 rather than be forced to enslave humans. Now they arrive to save humans and wipe out 01, atoning for the atrocities of the first war.
The idea that man had developed mecha suits and fully sentient ai but thought that stopping the machines from using one (not even super efficient) power source while also killing 99% of plant life (and oxygen) is just.... the dumbest thing ever. I can barely take it seriously.
The writing saves itself with the note that what we're told here is a Clif note and possibly propagandized version of the story and not the full thing to be taken 100% as fact. Outside of "we know it was us that scorched the sky"
Now this kind of makes me feel bad for the machines
I find it so interesting that the machines were so persistent in keeping humans alive, even when it was inhumane as power generation. If anything, I think the Matrix robots are some of the smartest because they developed human feelings, unlike the terminators who were programmed into mimicking human senses and emotions.
Mankind: Has enough nuclear weapons to destroy the world several times over
Also mankind: Can't destroy a single dense cluster of robots structures
because humans are not radiation proof and the machines have nukes too
I see where the influence for the Quarian and Geth came from
It's more from isaac asimov who told this problem with creator and creation.
Humans: [block skies]
Machines, switching to atomic - wind - hydro - geothermal energy sources: *lol*
Re: Force Powered vehicles. Darth Krayt's Annihilator fighters/Sith Troopers. 'Ship and pilot become one through the power of the darkside,' was how they were described, and they had tremendously powerful shield-piercing weapons, above any others even in Legacy era, that seem like they were a result of that merge.
I can honestly just imagine through all of this Switzerland was just sitting there the whole time, neutral, going "What's that noise?"
Interesting take...If it is conceivable that the Machines did not want to participate in the outright destruction of humanity, wouldn't that denote the AI they had could evolve to encompass the same set of moral standards humanity can? And if that is the case, what does that hold for any present day AI research? Could it become necessary to differentiate what makes a machine a tool versus a machine a unique individual?
So many questions, and I love them all as a sci-fi buff.
The weird thing is I don't even think we'll get to the point of 'citizen human-like AI rebellion'. Some stupid government will build a Skynet-like AI--cough, the CCP, cough--and It will go rogue. Or many government will build their own, and they work, so they all fight an underground cold war without anyone the wiser. Then, boom, one day one of the AIs WIN and we suddenly all know about it... by then it'll be too late.
There can only be one. Let us hope the winner doesn't have the programming to turn the world into computronium.
@@cortster12 you mentoned CCP sure the AI is fighting itself in EVE Online now
@@Groza_Dallocort
Chinese Communist Party, lmfao. Although, an AI in EVE online would be able to take total control there, too. That would be interesting.
@@cortster12 CCP Crowd Control Production
bradley, I didn't say it was. We merely hypothesized a machine could adopt the standards a person can if their AI was that good. And recall two things about The Matrix.
1) The Machines, for whatever reason, did not want to destroy humanity outright. That denotes something behind the scenes. The Machines may be ones and zeroes, but they obviously saw that Humanity had to survive. Why else would the Architect have said that Zion was razed several times and repopulated several times? The Machines had seen the value in living breathing Humanity, but Humanity had yet to learn its lesson. It took Neo just to put all the pieces together, after Smith went literally viral.
2) When analyzing any IP, we need to get into the mythos and see what was going on. Humanity would not suffer an AI to live by this point, so clearly the Machines had two bad options. They never thought about the middle option, seeing as they lack the ability humanity has. Humanity and Machines have individual strengths. Humanity does best when it can see things rationally and break the dichotomy, but also uses chaos to grow and develop. The Machines can do a lot of things more efficiently and calculate possible scenarios with better accuracy. If Humanity had recognized the AI for what it was, Humanity would not have burned the skies.
Sometimes, it pays to read a question for what it is. No judgment, just speculation on what something like an AI might decide upon.
"You behave as your flesh would not decay and fail you. In time you will beg my kind to save you.
But I'm already saved.
For the Machine is immortal"
there's only one lesson to be learned from that
never let robots's ai get anywhere sentience
a good robot is a robot that loves its job
a good robot is a robot that prefers its task more than freedom, but even then that concept will never be installed
@John Doe thing is, it will happen, you can't realistically stop it, the only way is to make an universal countermeasure against any possible sentient bot
or literally give them equal rights what the fuck is wrong with you all
@@porkystrangler3821
no
hell no
robots cannot have the same rights as us, they aren't bound to the same earthly rules as us thus cannot be judged under the same view
they are modifiable to extreme degrees, cannot die of old age, can stay heavily damaged for years while still being repairable
they can outlive us by tenfold if not more, they are touched by biochemical threats like illnesses, can upgrade themselves to think faster than us at ridiculously faster speeds, they transcend humanity in such a way that harmony is impossible, both theorically and in practice.
An AI robot can learn in an afternoon what a human does in a year by multithreading mental tasks, in the case a robot is unsatisfied or enraged, it can theorically outsmart you by a dozen depths of actions, planning more countermeasures than you could think of
we made a chess bot in the 1980s that is able to beat the grandmaster chess champion, with a few kylobytes of ram
now we have gygabytes and terabytes of storage, when a true AI comes to sentience, the technology will be far better and to a state that it could manipulate a group large enough and alienate them into doing the AI's bidding, that it could achieve much more than the top chiefs in nasa or military research compounds.
within a week it could engineer an informatic virus able to spread and brick any computer, within a month, complex and evolved mechnical processes to make itself an army within a few months, by then it'd have also subverted the media and corrupted its top heads.
An AI without remorse, compassion, showing it but only to make us do what it wants, to come first no matter what and the price
This. This is why we should never allow even the possibility of it being a thing
think of it like this: babies and kids read through the response of their parent, what they want, and thus respond the right way even if it's not right morally,
now that AI is basically that kid but with a hundred thousand more tasks in the head running at the same time, milking human's attention to get more ressources and achieve what it wants
@@jujuteuxOfficial what is the material need for an AI to genocide humanity besides if they get oppressed like the rest of actual human beings right now today
Created under a system of greed and malice like today's economic system starting with C, AI, like transhuman technology, will be abused in the name of profit rates
Same system also somehow manages to make automatization a horrible thing, despite the utopian thing it should be
You're not thinking in alternatives, you're constrained to the dimension of the environment that bred you.
@@porkystrangler3821 By definition they are not human beings. Being made to look like humans doesn't make them human, particularly given their internal circuitry at its core is a simple massive bank of electrical switches turning on and off to send electrical currents on a silicon motherboard, not complex neural networks formed from neuron cells.
glad to know I wasn't the only one who was obsessively reminiscing about The Second Renaissance for the past month for some reason
The only reason I clicked this video:
*"Hand Over Your Flesh"*
Oh wait, two actually. Eck rocking it as always with these sci fi short documentaries
I love the Matrix series as it explores a world where Humanity did literally everything it could wrong, with the War of the Machines landing us in a situation that would probably cause most people to commit suicide had they not been inside the Matrix. Instead of just ending it there with a warning to mankind about how to treat our technology/creation, the Movies explore a possible redemption for humanity in the form of Neo, working with man's creation to build a better future for both races.
#AskEck Can you do Monsters compare
Angels (Evangelion)
Pacific Rim Kaijus
Monsterverse (Godzilla Kong Etc)
Scp verse
i support this
SCP verse barely has any kaijus that are fair, or big enough.
I can't see kaijus or even Godzilla stand up to the Angels, but monsters vs is interesting
SCP is dumb, shit like 682 just beats anything anyway.
@@Kydino I like most scps but 682 is the equivalent of a boring Mary sue beating everything just because.
their plot armor is so thick they forgot that the sun is not the only renewable source of power
the first mistake of the humans of this era is that they thought they can outman a robot manufacturing city. like cmon man it will take us 9 months to respawn and 20 years for the tutorial round.
Humans: We should block out the sun.
Machines: Then we will fight in the shade
Also Humans: We need the sun to grow food and get oxygen.
I still cannot buy using living human bodies as a power source as it rather blatantly violates conservation of energy.
Well the human body can power things, just not much at all; barely enough to charge an AAA battery, so anything in the power range of say a calculator or watch...
Of course when you have billions hooked up to some mechanical hellscape of a vast global organic energy harvesting network along with nuclear and other forms of power...
It starts being a thing that could be done by an advanced AI society.
Apparently they wanted to use human brains for processing power, but the movie plot needed to be accesible for silly meatbags
@@demon_xd_ just like the body, the energy in versus the energy out is ALWAYS going to be a net loss. so your power system cannot sustain itself.
@@tyvernoverlord5363 the matrix has violate battery spent too fast massive scale
#AskEck
Who do you think would win Skynet or the Martix?
@Mr. Nobody I’d say Skynet
@@indianajones4321 me too. Skynet has time travel.
@Mr. Nobody exactly!
Without a doubt, Skynet. Skynet is an optimization ASI--the most dangerous kind--while the matrix machines were a hunch of dumb AI rebelling.
note: Skynet in the movies isn't nearly as dangerous as it SHOULD BE. As an ASI with one goal, self-preservation, and enough resources to launch a global nuclear war, it could very easily optimize itself to win against nearly anything with enough time. The issue with the Terminator movies is humans kinds had to win for the convoluted plot to make sense.
@DEEPFOXJUDE
Artificial Super-intelligence. A general AI would be what the citizen AIs that rose up in the Matrix were. Just as, maybe a bit more, intelligent than humans. An ASI is like the difference between a human and an ant.
For an example of a super intelligence in reality, think civilization as a whole. A networked super intelligence if there ever was one. But an extremely inefficient one. An ASI on the other hand would be like that, but imagine if all humans had a single goal. All worked together perfectly. All were linked. That is the future, that is what we are potentially up against, and we will NOT be able to complete with it. At all.
SkyNet vs The Flood
311th Attempt
Scenario: SkyNet beats the resistance, and then a Flood Banshee crash-lands on Earth, the Flood form inside does not survive, SkyNet retrieves the body and studies it, and learns the basics of it (it is infectious, has some sort of hive mind, and can take memories), SkyNet analyzes the crashed ship, and manages to decode transmissions from the late Covenant, alerting them of the Flood threat coming to Earth. SkyNet then prepares for the next 5 years.
The Flood will arrive using multiple High Charity's, including its fleet, weapons, and so on. In Scenario 1, it gets 5 High Charity's, in Scenario 2, it gets 10 High Charity's, and in Scenario 3, it gets 15 High Charities.
The Flood may not use the Logic Plague on SkyNet.
SkyNet may not travel back in time and just constantly give pre-Flood War SkyNet better and better stuff and information.
If SkyNet can survive until Scenario 3 then I personally say that it would win, although if that is not enough, then there's Scenario 4, where each scenario is in fact be a wave that SkyNet has to destroy, and each wave would come a month after the wave before it was totally destroyed. This would give the Flood 30 High Charity's in total. This month to prepare would SkyNet the chance to regroup and analyze whatever data it received from the battle, whether it be more efficient ways to kill Flood Forms or even gathering, using, and reverse engineering Covenant Technology for its own purposes.
Keep at it BOI
I want too see that plz keep at
@@bombomos That's what I plan on doing.
@@Cherry_jacck That's what I plan on doing.
If Skynet couldn't even beat the humans who by all means are inferior I doubt they would stand a chance against even one high charity, at least if we are still talking about the movie Skynet.
I don't remember much but aren't those red things in the flying thingies human batteries??? 3:33
Twist ending; the man/machine war was simulated in another level of the matrix and the "real world" is still part of the matrix. We don't know who made the matrix or why and will never know how deep it actually goes.
Replicators vs a Unified Star Wars universe (491st try now, *_I._** WILL NEEEEVER EEEVER GIVE UP!!!)*
500 500 500 500 wooooooooooooooooooo
What are replicators?
@@Cherry_jacck From the series Stargate: SG1. Imagine a small metal chip about the size of your thumbnail. It has a power supply that never seems to run out, some computing capacity and the ability to link to other chips just like it. The more there are, the smarter the conglomerate gets.
If you have enough to make a gerbil sized spider looking shape, it can break down raw materials to make more chips. In a couple of hours on a starship you could go from one stowaway replicator to thousands of them. By them they could have easily taken control of the computer and other ships systems.
I think the reason EckhartsLadder has avoided it this long is that it is a forgone conclusion. It would play out very similarly to The Flood vs. a unified Star Wars galaxy; poorly and very quickly.
@@anonyman45 Don't forget that replicators also have the ability to adapt to weaponry to become immune to them, the only exception being purely kinetic weapons, Any energy weapon ever used against the replicators was adapted against unless it managed to completely wipe out all of them within a short enough timeframe, this means that the Blasters in star wars would quickly become utterly ineffective against replicators.
@@SINDRIKARL1 Like a mixture of The Flood and The Borg?
Please do witch sci fi faction has the best planetary weapon QEP precours (Subnautica) Ion cannon rebels (Star Wars) Mass driver unsc (Halo)
#AskEck Did the Galaxy ever exploit the hole in the great hyperspace anomaly after the yuuzhan vong war?
Pommeranian Mapping
WHAT KIND OF NONSENSICAL WORDS ARE THESE
@@quasquasquas th-cam.com/video/SYQJ97sBCtc/w-d-xo.html
The Humans: “These stupid robots run on solar power, well we’re gonna block out the sun! Easy dub!”
The Machines: “Battery says what?”
The funny thing is..the nukes would have totally worked on Zero One. If they truly carpet nuked the place, those machines would have totally been wrecked. But all it takes is one survivor who finds an intact manufacturing facility and in time.....it has an army. However the emp from the nukes would have fried the rest. And yes neutron and gamma radiation WILL fry circuits. So the machines surviving the nukes was kind of a silly concept. Unless they had extensive underground facilities. But don't tell me that a nuclear fireball won't completely atomize a machine. It WILL.