Love watching reviews from people who have actually used the stuff for a long period of time. Little details come out that can't come out any other way.
@NoFate247 just curious why do you put these ahead of the Griffins with a similar price point? The way you need to adjust these on the upright appears to be too cumbersome since they are so heavy and all those pins 😮. The Griffins adjust with rollers and a pop pin, so much easier and less frustrating.
@@time.4174 I made this comment as a testament to what I feel is crandall fitness doing good things in the home gym space. My standing on all lever arms is widely known (I don't like them and feel they are vastly over rated)
Hi would these realistically be easy to attach completely and detach completely from a rack? I want to use these off the front of a 30” Rogue FM Twin Functional Trainer 6 post rack. Do you think this would work?
I have a bridge built 3 x 3 rack and these didn't fit. I had to order and cut thinner plastic and am finishing off modifying the backplate to work with rollers. They wouldn't slide unless i greased up my rack and even then it was a work out in it's self. Also if you order them, make sure to check that the screws are counter sunk. Mine were not. Also replaced the handles with Megalith handles. Once I made the modifications, I like them.
I really liked these but my rack has 5/8 inch holes so none of my attachments will work on them. They were perfect but I need 5/8 in holes on the arms. 😢 Thanks for reviewing these I would’ve been very disappointed if I paid $900.00 on them and then non of my attachments worked. You saved me some money for sure, I appreciate it.
I think these crush the PRX in every category except the trolley - the price and the fact that it can be either free motion or a fixed path is huge - but I’m with you on the trolley - I’m so close to pulling the trigger on this over the PRX - but man wish there was a trolley upgrade or add on because I would definitely want to move it around during the session and that looks like a huge pain - I get the where the manufacturer is coming from - most people don’t want to spend over $1,000 on jammer arms - but I would if could to add that feature to this
Been on the fence between these and the griffin ones since the prx arms are 1.8k shipped to me. Kinda cool that you dropped your video on the same day as coop about the griffin lever arms. I'm probably going to go with the griffin ones since they have a product that looks more thought out.
@@Jadeno1x For sure, the timing was crazy! Hopefully between the two of our vids, people will have a better sense of which lever arms are the best fit for their training needs.
@@Jadeno1x Oh yeah, interesting timing for sure! Hopefully between the two of us people will have a pretty good idea as to which lever arms will be right for their training needs
What did you find more thought out about the griffins if you don’t mind me asking? I didn’t get that after watching both videos but I’m definitely interested.
@@stroutman81 the review from coop focused on how the griffin arms weren’t like the halo arms and not really on the functionality of them. He focused on the negatives but the positives still standout more to me. Griffin already addressed the magnetic pin situation and ggr didn’t move the rollers on the griffin trolley to fit the fringe rack. Coop also mentioned that griffin uses 75mm tubing when their website clearly states they use true 3x3. They should have tested these on a true 3x3 rack or moved the rollers to the other holes. We don’t know how the halo arms would fit on a metric rack so this a weird negative coming from ggr. The Crandall ever arms have a decent amount of movement on the rep rack in Matt’s review too. I really don’t think coop did his homework with his review. Coop says that they’re heavy but they only weigh like 3 pounds more than the Crandall arms but they’re on rollers and use a legit locking pin. The uhmw on the crandalls just doesn’t make any sense since it’ll cause friction and then you have to hold the arm up in place while you’re putting pins in to secure them to upright. Even the hitch pins from Crandall are generic and they don’t allow you to use certain locking positions on the converging feature. Major oversight there. The details stand out more to me for the griffins especially considering that the biggest drawbacks are things that were already addressed by griffin.
@@Jadeno1x Thanks for the detailed response. Am I right in saying, though, that the Griffins don't allow for a fixed plane of converging motion like the Crandalls? Based on my quick review, it looks like the Crandall ones were the only ones that allowed this and that's a major selling feature for me.
@@time.4174 Oh, for sure! I’d guess the 5/8 version still has 5/8-inch holes on the arms. Crandall just updated this 1-inch version to have 1-inch holes.
I’ve had them since they came out . I really like them , for an occasional change up . Once you get use to adjusting them , especially moving them up and down. You can use the UHMW to slow the down adjustment. They are very well made and very happy with them 👍
How much of a pain has it been for you adjusting up and down? Do you find that you avoid using it because adjusting isn't as easy as it would be if they used rollers?
@@troutmanoutdoors2332 when I first started using it I felt the same way , but after a while I got used to it , but I mostly use it to change up the routine occasionally, hit everything from a different angle. It’s very easy to get bored and unmotivated when you’ve been training for 61 years. I use it mostly for chest and back . If you already have one, a suggestion if you’re not already doing it, adjust without the weight horn assembly and when raising try to keep it straight and not in a bind, do the opposite when lowering to get some drag, good luck 🤙
So these can converge in a fixed plane of motion? That's what it looks like. If so, do any others do this on the market? I know plenty converge... but I'm curious about the fixed path convergence.
@@troutmanoutdoors2332 Yep, you got it! I personally don't know of any other arms that have the ability to converge in a fixed plane (not here in the states at least)
@@MattPendergraph Man, so close to perfect. The lack of rollers and thus pain of adjusting height is such a turnoff. It's frustrating... we have a bunch of lever arms on the market today but none have it just right. Before long, one of them will nail it.
@@MattPendergraph I appreciate your review and since I have dual cables and plan to mostly use for just pressing and shoulders I can't see having to move them more than a foot or two. When done have to move them back up but just put in training log you lifted an extra 70lbs adds to your workout. The UHM plastic has to make it a bit easier have you tried spraying silicone on it maybe it will slide real easily!
I literally just made the comment on coops Griffin lever arm review that the non pop pin adjustment feature with these is a horrible way to adjust these up and down. Way too cumbersome with the weight involved like you said. Although the griffins are a bit heavier, they are a much better option over these simply because of the different methods used to adjust them up and down.
@@connormckay9429 I show them being used with the Fringe Dane in the video (Not sure if you caught that or not) Basically because the arms swivel, they can be mounted off the sides of the uprights and then swiveled into a forward position
This is a boldface lie. You can make it completely under a 1000$ easy with a roller system. It would just cut into ur profit margin. The arms in video are comparable to fray fitness. so maybe 300$
@troydefond2307 ha ha, ok. Yes, i can make them for under $1000, but they definitely wouldn't be sold uder $1000 unless you are in the business of not making profit. And fray fitness arms compared to ours is hysterical. There is nothing the same from the quality of steel, the functionality or thr way they mount. The frey ones are a cheap example and they are selling them now at a loss, i guarantee it. But sure, whatever you say..😂😂😂
@crandallfitness We don't mind paying 1000 if it works correctly. We ok with nutty prices. But what we not ok with is some hard to adjust jammer arms that are going to go unused talking up space on our racks
@@marvellstarks2434 we will just stick to keeping a fair price for our customers, moving them hasnt been a complaint we have heard very often. We are here to provide affordable QUALITY equipment to those that lift and don't want to pay an arm and a leg. Some might not care about paying over $1000 or even $1500, but thats not what we started this for. However, i am not too nieve to think that maybe at some point we could offer both variations for those that can afford the higher price point to have the trolley.
@@playerDY shouldn't be an issue as long as you have the rear of the rack weighted down. You definitely don't want your entire setup tipping forward during use!
They didn't fit on my 3 x 3 Bridge Built. They were too tight and wouldn't move even without the back plate.I had to sand down the plastic and grease the rack until I could get thinner plastic. I'm finishing up modifying the backplate with rollers. I have access to very high end machining facility so it has made it easier. I like them now and happy I can take them on and off my rack easily when needed but wasn't happy for a while all considering.
They aren't too bad if you use the handle and the underside of the radial hinge that allows 180° rotation but still wish it used a trolley instead of a friction system!
Been using those for about a year and the arms themselves are okay but the trolley system... man what a drawback. It's no fun adjusting them because the plastic which should help sliding them up and down isn't working properly. This is what would make jammer arms great: Easy adjustability.
This is a really good review video, Matt. I like that you don't have crude snarky jokes that may be hit or miss and may offend your audience like one other home gym reviewer I'm not going to name. Looking forward to more!
Love that you’re reviewing this product. I’ve been eyeing these for a while but reviews have been limited. Thank you!
We appreciate the honest review!!
Always! Hope you enjoyed it!
Love watching reviews from people who have actually used the stuff for a long period of time. Little details come out that can't come out any other way.
Thanks, Tim! That's the only way to create a proper video, in my opinion-unless you're just doing an initial impressions video, of course.
Awesome review, refreshing seeing you doing longer reviews! 💯💪
Thanks dude! They're a TON of work, but so rewarding when finished!
Crandall fitness for the win
Thank you!!
@NoFate247 just curious why do you put these ahead of the Griffins with a similar price point? The way you need to adjust these on the upright appears to be too cumbersome since they are so heavy and all those pins 😮. The Griffins adjust with rollers and a pop pin, so much easier and less frustrating.
@@time.4174 I made this comment as a testament to what I feel is crandall fitness doing good things in the home gym space. My standing on all lever arms is widely known (I don't like them and feel they are vastly over rated)
@time.4174 better movement angles on ours, the side to side needs to be 1st to get better free motion, also our are heavier duty steel.
Yours definitely provide better movement but the painstaking up and down adjustment with no trolley is a deal breaker for me.
Awesome vid and review Thanks for the great content. Just ordered a pair today using your link
Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed it!
CF’s Reddit AMA was great. I learned this video would be dropping soon and was excited to see it. Excellent review, Matt. Structured and thorough. 💪
@@vintageweightspgh Thanks Rob, appreciate that man! I'm embarrassed at how long it took for me to get this one out TBH 🤦♂️
Absolutely love that Crandall finally changed to 1 inch holes. It will Stratford a lot more attention as a result. Awesome video bro
Thanks man, appreciate you watching! and yes, I was happy to hear that Crandall made that improvement as well!
Hi would these realistically be easy to attach completely and detach completely from a rack? I want to use these off the front of a 30” Rogue FM Twin Functional Trainer 6 post rack.
Do you think this would work?
I wish they sold the bracket separately for those of us with the cheaper arms/handles already
The new setup is looking really good
I have a bridge built 3 x 3 rack and these didn't fit. I had to order and cut thinner plastic and am finishing off modifying the backplate to work with rollers. They wouldn't slide unless i greased up my rack and even then it was a work out in it's self. Also if you order them, make sure to check that the screws are counter sunk. Mine were not. Also replaced the handles with Megalith handles. Once I made the modifications, I like them.
I really liked these but my rack has 5/8 inch holes so none of my attachments will work on them. They were perfect but I need 5/8 in holes on the arms. 😢 Thanks for reviewing these I would’ve been very disappointed if I paid $900.00 on them and then non of my attachments worked. You saved me some money for sure, I appreciate it.
I think these crush the PRX in every category except the trolley - the price and the fact that it can be either free motion or a fixed path is huge - but I’m with you on the trolley - I’m so close to pulling the trigger on this over the PRX - but man wish there was a trolley upgrade or add on because I would definitely want to move it around during the session and that looks like a huge pain - I get the where the manufacturer is coming from - most people don’t want to spend over $1,000 on jammer arms - but I would if could to add that feature to this
Great review Matt
@@50CalFitness Thanks for watching man!
It’s cool that with ares you can just attach cables to it!
@@sairam71 Definitely! Just mount them off to side to bypass the cabling, then swivel the arms back forward and connect the trolley to the arms!
Been on the fence between these and the griffin ones since the prx arms are 1.8k shipped to me. Kinda cool that you dropped your video on the same day as coop about the griffin lever arms. I'm probably going to go with the griffin ones since they have a product that looks more thought out.
@@Jadeno1x For sure, the timing was crazy! Hopefully between the two of our vids, people will have a better sense of which lever arms are the best fit for their training needs.
@@Jadeno1x Oh yeah, interesting timing for sure! Hopefully between the two of us people will have a pretty good idea as to which lever arms will be right for their training needs
What did you find more thought out about the griffins if you don’t mind me asking? I didn’t get that after watching both videos but I’m definitely interested.
@@stroutman81 the review from coop focused on how the griffin arms weren’t like the halo arms and not really on the functionality of them. He focused on the negatives but the positives still standout more to me. Griffin already addressed the magnetic pin situation and ggr didn’t move the rollers on the griffin trolley to fit the fringe rack. Coop also mentioned that griffin uses 75mm tubing when their website clearly states they use true 3x3. They should have tested these on a true 3x3 rack or moved the rollers to the other holes. We don’t know how the halo arms would fit on a metric rack so this a weird negative coming from ggr. The Crandall ever arms have a decent amount of movement on the rep rack in Matt’s review too. I really don’t think coop did his homework with his review. Coop says that they’re heavy but they only weigh like 3 pounds more than the Crandall arms but they’re on rollers and use a legit locking pin. The uhmw on the crandalls just doesn’t make any sense since it’ll cause friction and then you have to hold the arm up in place while you’re putting pins in to secure them to upright. Even the hitch pins from Crandall are generic and they don’t allow you to use certain locking positions on the converging feature. Major oversight there. The details stand out more to me for the griffins especially considering that the biggest drawbacks are things that were already addressed by griffin.
@@Jadeno1x Thanks for the detailed response. Am I right in saying, though, that the Griffins don't allow for a fixed plane of converging motion like the Crandalls? Based on my quick review, it looks like the Crandall ones were the only ones that allowed this and that's a major selling feature for me.
Matt just a heads up these still come in a 5/8 hole size version
@@time.4174 Oh, for sure! I’d guess the 5/8 version still has 5/8-inch holes on the arms. Crandall just updated this 1-inch version to have 1-inch holes.
Ah I now understand what you mean! Great well thought out review on these!
@@time.4174 Thank you so much! Appreciate you watching!
11:00 what are you using to attach the cables to the arm?
@@quinterogains5880 just a couple of loop straps that I had lying around
Love it!!!
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Who uses rollers to allow for easier adjusting?
@@Derek87829 Rogue, Sorinex, Griffin.... and I'm sure a few others
I’ve had them since they came out . I really like them , for an occasional change up . Once you get use to adjusting them , especially moving them up and down. You can use the UHMW to slow the down adjustment. They are very well made and very happy with them 👍
How much of a pain has it been for you adjusting up and down? Do you find that you avoid using it because adjusting isn't as easy as it would be if they used rollers?
@@troutmanoutdoors2332 when I first started using it I felt the same way , but after a while I got used to it , but I mostly use it to change up the routine occasionally, hit everything from a different angle. It’s very easy to get bored and unmotivated when you’ve been training for 61 years. I use it mostly for chest and back . If you already have one, a suggestion if you’re not already doing it, adjust without the weight horn assembly and when raising try to keep it straight and not in a bind, do the opposite when lowering to get some drag, good luck 🤙
Great job 👏 🇨🇦
@@King-walo Thank you!
These would be really cool with some Rorman Strength 360° Megalith Handles
Haven't tried them, but I imagine their compact size would certainly help with the convergence
These look like a solid option in my opinion.
I think so. I've certainly had a lot of fun with them.
So these can converge in a fixed plane of motion? That's what it looks like. If so, do any others do this on the market? I know plenty converge... but I'm curious about the fixed path convergence.
@@troutmanoutdoors2332 Yep, you got it! I personally don't know of any other arms that have the ability to converge in a fixed plane (not here in the states at least)
@@MattPendergraph Man, so close to perfect. The lack of rollers and thus pain of adjusting height is such a turnoff. It's frustrating... we have a bunch of lever arms on the market today but none have it just right. Before long, one of them will nail it.
@@MattPendergraph I appreciate your review and since I have dual cables and plan to mostly use for just pressing and shoulders I can't see having to move them more than a foot or two. When done have to move them back up but just put in training log you lifted an extra 70lbs adds to your workout. The UHM plastic has to make it a bit easier have you tried spraying silicone on it maybe it will slide real easily!
Without a trolly I won't even think twice about buying them. I love the pivot bracket tho. PRX getting my money
I'd go with the griffin ones instead considering the price difference
@MillennialFinance money not an option. I want the best of the best
Understandable. Thanks for watching!
I literally just made the comment on coops Griffin lever arm review that the non pop pin adjustment feature with these is a horrible way to adjust these up and down. Way too cumbersome with the weight involved like you said. Although the griffins are a bit heavier, they are a much better option over these simply because of the different methods used to adjust them up and down.
Would these be able to olay nice with rack mounted pully systems on the same uprights?
@@connormckay9429 I show them being used with the Fringe Dane in the video (Not sure if you caught that or not) Basically because the arms swivel, they can be mounted off the sides of the uprights and then swiveled into a forward position
@@MattPendergraph that's a killer combo!
No roller system could be added unless we also made them over $1000. Which seems nutty to me.
This is a boldface lie. You can make it completely under a 1000$ easy with a roller system. It would just cut into ur profit margin. The arms in video are comparable to fray fitness. so maybe 300$
@troydefond2307 ha ha, ok. Yes, i can make them for under $1000, but they definitely wouldn't be sold uder $1000 unless you are in the business of not making profit. And fray fitness arms compared to ours is hysterical. There is nothing the same from the quality of steel, the functionality or thr way they mount. The frey ones are a cheap example and they are selling them now at a loss, i guarantee it. But sure, whatever you say..😂😂😂
@@troydefond2307that comparison is delulu. 😂
@crandallfitness We don't mind paying 1000 if it works correctly. We ok with nutty prices. But what we not ok with is some hard to adjust jammer arms that are going to go unused talking up space on our racks
@@marvellstarks2434 we will just stick to keeping a fair price for our customers, moving them hasnt been a complaint we have heard very often. We are here to provide affordable QUALITY equipment to those that lift and don't want to pay an arm and a leg. Some might not care about paying over $1000 or even $1500, but thats not what we started this for. However, i am not too nieve to think that maybe at some point we could offer both variations for those that can afford the higher price point to have the trolley.
If i have a flat foot rack, can i still install these lever arms on the front of the rack?
@@playerDY shouldn't be an issue as long as you have the rear of the rack weighted down. You definitely don't want your entire setup tipping forward during use!
For the price point I would rather go with the griffin lever arms that coop just reviewed
@@IsaiahPilusa Never tried them, but I'm a big fan of Griffin!
Coop has our review coming soon
Mattttttttttttt!😊
Kurtttttttt! 😂
will this fit on American 3x3 uprights or you have to sand down the uhmw?
@@TheGhu123 I should have mentioned this in the video 🤦♂️, but yes, they fit perfectly on my Rogue Monster rack without any modifications needed.
@@MattPendergraph Are the pins just d10 inch pins so I can easily swap out with regular mag pins from Fringe ? thanks
They didn't fit on my 3 x 3 Bridge Built. They were too tight and wouldn't move even without the back plate.I had to sand down the plastic and grease the rack until I could get thinner plastic. I'm finishing up modifying the backplate with rollers. I have access to very high end machining facility so it has made it easier. I like them now and happy I can take them on and off my rack easily when needed but wasn't happy for a while all considering.
New drinking game, take a shot everytime Matt says, "hole".
@@garyjouvelakas2475 🍺👌🏻😜
not the biggest fan of how far out these stick out
@@HuncheauxRomualdo I wasn’t at first either, to be honest, but over time, I’ve gotten used to it, and now I hardly even notice.
Agree I have these and more bothersome than moving them up and down is how far they stick out!
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these seem like a pain in the ass to adjust up and down
They aren't too bad if you use the handle and the underside of the radial hinge that allows 180° rotation but still wish it used a trolley instead of a friction system!
@@ImaniAaliyah-gk8gv Easily my biggest gripe!
But that would add several hundred dollars@hansbrummerstedt2149
@hansbrummerstedt2149 it would cost way more to add the trolleys and rogue has a patent on their trolleys
Been using those for about a year and the arms themselves are okay but the trolley system... man what a drawback. It's no fun adjusting them because the plastic which should help sliding them up and down isn't working properly. This is what would make jammer arms great: Easy adjustability.
This is a really good review video, Matt. I like that you don't have crude snarky jokes that may be hit or miss and may offend your audience like one other home gym reviewer I'm not going to name.
Looking forward to more!
@@kishin7 😂 I appreciate it man! Plenty more vids coming down the pipeline!
70lbs an arm - oh wow. That might make them some of the heaviest on the market. Great functionality, but that weight gives me pause.
Hard to move but heavy and will get you jacked!
crandall's handles lol
@@ckPinson-n4j You don't like? Lol
actually i do should be their company make
Can I have your lever arms?
@@garyjouvelakas2475 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
tomorrow has become tonight
@@ckPinson-n4j Honestly didn't think I'd finish editing in time, but I made it! 😁
great job looks great and very thorough i'm still not 100% sure i want lever arms but i definitely know more about these now
what is up with the price? these are not worth 850
These are terrible. The carriage is trash.
@@jessewrigley5664 Room for improvement for sure
No one likes a smelly Fart 💨
This is the worst part of this product