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Hey man, I actually own both the Black Wing and the 5200 2.0 (which I think this bench is a blend of, in my opinion). The Black Wing is noticeably heavier at the front due to the ZeroGap components, so I’d say the Griffin feels more similar to the 5200 2.0 in terms of handling. Regarding the -10 degrees, while I don’t use it often, it feels natural. It doesn’t give the sensation of sliding off or needing leg holders. Anything steeper, though, and I probably would.

@MattPendergraph perfect thank you!!!

I'm actually bringing in the entire set from REP for review/comparisons since I have the originals from Kleva. I'm about 99% sure that Kleva was discontinuing/had discounted offering other colors outside of black anyways (at least with the Atlas series of attachments), so you wouldn't be missing out on anything there.

@@MattPendergraph I check and there are no color offering from Kleva anymore. So I will just pick up the RepXKelva. Only thing I have to decide on is if I want the entire set or just the atlas.

@@Wetterwet It's a SOLID piece! Get ready to be humbled BIG TIME if you do! 😂

@ can’t wait! I am loving their chest supported t bar row.

@@Wetterwet Oh I bet! I wish I would have gotten theirs over my Elite FTS 🤦‍♂️. I've been beyond happy with everything I've brought in from them thus far!

@@quinterogains5880 just a couple of loop straps that I had lying around

Absolutely, but dumbbells can't provide the constant resistance that this machine offers.

Where's a DeLorean when you need one??!! I completely understand though as I have the same regrets with my EliteFTS Chest Supported Row machine 🤦‍♂

@@jonstewart5386 I completely agree! I'm not usually a fan of most rack-mounted equipment unless you have a dedicated upright to keep it permanently attached. Initially, I was hesitant to bring this piece in since it's mainly for training such a small muscle group (shoulders) , and I wasn’t sure if a dedicated piece would be worth it. But ever since I got it, I’ve been using it multiple times a week! It’s one of those pieces I can’t resist busting out a few reps every time I walk by it! 😂

@@MattPendergraph I just had my 4th rotator cuff surgery - literally this morning - and 5 months from now I know I'll be limited to doing far more raises and way less overhead pressing after the PT is done, and probably forevermore! So a machine like this at home is starting to make sense. Like, I'm really gonna want my delts back after all the 2024 atrophy! Anyhow, thanks for putting out the vid and I hope theres a way for you to get some kickback from TOGainz purchases.

​@@jonstewart5386 Oh man, good luck with your recovery! Wishing you a smooth and speedy healing process. I totally get it, though-I messed up my right shoulder a few months back, and it got so bad I couldn’t even sleep on my side! Since adding these movements to my routine, my shoulder feels so much better. I’m not sure if it’s the fixed path of travel or the consistent resistance compared to dumbbells that made the difference, but hey, no complaints here! 😂 Anyways, more content to come, so stay tuned!

I just purchased the Syedee plate loaded multi flight/lateral raise for $500 shipped... Built extremely well for the price, super solid and smooth with the same features as the more expensive pin loaded machines.

@@GalacticTravelers I had no idea Syedee was still around, especially since their website shut down several months ago! Based on the two pieces they sent me for review, I wasn’t impressed-the build quality felt cheap, and the mechanics were terrible (basically the complete opposite of the three TOG pieces that I've brought in 😂) That said, maybe they've improved since then?

@@HughLeFitness Yep! I'd rate all three pieces I have from them as commercial quality!

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@@Milo30066 🤣 sounds about right!

Yes

I'm not going to stop you! lol

@MattPendergraph are there ever any hang ups with the short bar wanting to pop out that opening or catching the opening? Or is it pretty smooth the whole way

@MattPendergraph also does bully give you a cut of the sale?

@mghtymous21 As long as you use them in the correct orientation-like I demonstrate in the video, with the openings facing your body-you shouldn’t run into any issues. We intentionally positioned the openings at the top and designed them with a slight slant to help prevent any accidental slip-outs.

@@MattPendergraph sounds good. Thank you

Haha! Makes more sense when you see them in action

I appreciate that!