For those who just want to see the race: -Race @25:56 -Our mods @1:42 -Exhaust Comparison @5:02 -John' Driving impression in the STI @7:02 -Aj's driving impressions in the WRX @15:04 -Conclusion @22:58 -Race @25:56
Eligio Novilla III agreed, If i personally get an STI the first thing I'm gonna do to it is take off that damn wing and put a factory low profile spoiler.
You don’t floor the STI at 2000rpms, you can possibly wear out the engine.. (causes of ringland failure) Lowest RPM you can floor it would be 3k. You should have taken the car to the winding roads, that is where you will see the clear difference between the WRX and an STI.
I rolled onto full throttle and it's some similar to what a dyno do i felt like. You are right though, it could potentially hurt the engine. Another weak point of the ej over the fa.
I had a 19 WRX with full bolt on, and I traded it for an STI... idk the STI just felt like more car to me. I’ll be bolting on everything to the STI so I’m not worried about stock power. Just feels better to me, even as a daily.
I got a 2019 wrx stage 2 and i was debating going fmic and flex fuel. But my 2020 sti comes to the dealer on the 17th. The last of a dynasty. I'm super excited.
I'm not sure about the new ones. The older ones had the same block either bored to a 2.0 or 2.5 the thicker cylinder walls of the 2.0l could handle alot more power than the 2.5l in the sti
I was fortunate enough to have owned both, I had a 2017 WRX, 365 whp on an E55 tune from Ron @ Phatbotti and currently a 2020 STI. Right now just intake, catback on the STI, with E85 planned at the end of the month. I'd absolutely rather daily the WRX and keep the STI for a weekend toy. It's more fuel efficient, the power band is in the lower RPM and the suspension is more comfortable. I didn't care for the shifter though, even with the STI short shift kit, but after adding the Perrin shift stop, it was much better. Plus its so easy to just add flex fuel, fuel pump and boom, tons of power. The STI needs more supporting modifications to do this. I do love the STI though, it has a more "raw" feel to it, and it likes to be driven hard. Can't really go wrong with either, just depends what the purpose is and your budget.
Drove my STi on Angeles Crest and ran into a couple of guys with e39 m3's and and had no problems running with them. The short gearing (and good heel-toe shifting) will keep you in the power in and out of the corners. There is little to no turbo lag if you're in the right gear.
Yeah, i noticed that when we doing the pulls. I had no idea that the sti gearing are so short. Reminds me of my s2000. Surely a fun drive to curve up the mountain.
I sure missed the part about all the money he saved going WRX made it maybe even better than a STI... My wife drives a 2018 WRX and I have a 2017 STi. Both are great and I'm not slamming one compared to the other. When you get out of one and into the other, the difference is obvious.
The point that comes across are both cars have it's pros and cons. Many people believe the STI is better in every way. That's clearly no the case, especially in this 2015-2019 generation. Both being modified, the difference sway my opinion more. The WRX is cheaper upfront, cheaper to maintain, and cheaper every fill up. The STI is still Subaru best Halo car.
@@JohnNguyenVincent Nothing can ever be better in every way. We agree that pros always go with cons. The STI is, to me, every bit as fast as any street car need be. The best mod anyone can ever do is learn to drive. A good drive can murder in an STI. The WRX could use a little help getting up to STI limits. So, from my point of view it's comparing the price of WRX+mods to just STI. At that point both cars are about equal in cost and performance. One has a warranty and no worries about acquired issues. Don't bs, modded cars ARE less reliable. I also don't do cosmetic mods so that may change the math some. As an owner of both, the gas difference is minimal. The difference between the STI and WRX is less than some 87 octane regular car and a WRX. Thanks for being a nice commenter!
Oh have you not noticed, arrogance is in style. Of all the nice cars out there a sti owner has no right to be arrogant. Sti is a affordable kinda cool car but not going to be looked at a cars and coffee or ?. Sure the Porsche and Audi owners are impressed by a cheap cute boy racer car. Stop the arrogance as their is know reason for it. We can all afford a freakin Subaru.
@@gregblack8550 You grew up in a much more affluent region than I. A lot of people around here can't afford a STI. A Subaru yes, but not a STI. Speaking at the national level, not your neighborhood, not everyone can afford one.
Why would Sti be similar to BRZ? They are completely different in everything. Sti is a rally racing machine out of the box. BRZ is a fun toy and it’s slow, smaller and lighter.
I personally have a Wrx and I had the choice to purchase a new Wrx or a new STI. The reason I personally went with the wrx is because of the motor. I have too many friends that have had issues with the EJ and buddies putting down 380 - 400 hp to the wheels on the Wrx with full bolt one and e85. They so far haven’t had any issues but they replaced the head gasket to a stronger one just in case. I personally love both and still want a STI in the future, I just couldn’t compensate 10k more for the older motor over the Wrx which is still fun cars. Mad love and respect to both cars, they’re bad ass and I will never get the UEL sound which sucks but both cars are great. :)
This was my exact reasoning for going with the wrx. The ej25 is just a inferior engine compared to the FA20DIT. Definitely love the sti trans, diffs, brakes.
Why would you? Ones for daily ones track ready but old. One take E way easier one is good for stock only. Many are saying the opposite at the end of the day. I have both. Wife and I.
@@Ace62595 had a 05 sti and own a 2019 wrx now and although the sti was a lot more raw i have just as much fun in the wrx. These kids are clowns lol they probably don’t even own a Subaru
@@fengamaguuch2030 I know there are going to be people who refused to listen. The whole point of this video was pretty much show that the motor in the wrx is better than the STI. And to the og comment. No I didn't wish I had a STI. I wanted something that was fast for the money on the Street. That wasn't going to happen in the sti unless you dump mad money into it.
It's simple, if Subaru thought wrx was better than the STI they would have sold STI cheaper than the WRX. Trying to compare an STI to a wrx is just to make your self feel better won't change the fact that the STI is the big daddy.
Wrx owner Bashes the sti and yet tries to make his car look like a sti. 😂 Then expects it to feel like a brz🤦🏽♂️ the only thing close to the Brz is his Wrx sharing the Fa20 motor.
Casey Pinto He got the WRX because it was cheaper and didn't want to spend the extra money on the STI... But later he spent a lot of$$$ on mods so his car would of look and perform as a stock STI😂...With all the money he paid for those mods he could of got the Limited STI instead... That way he wouldn't have to always explain people why he got a WRX over an STI, but then he modified it to make it looks and perform as an STI...LOL😅🤣😂
ricardopr54 lol. His wrx with that mod out performed the sti. He didn’t try to make it perform like the sti, because it just couldn’t. FA20’s and Ej’s are waaaay to different to perform alike. Come on man. Get your facts straight. Two different engines yet will perform alike?? It’s like putting a monkey in a pool and add some scuba gear for it to perform and swim like a fish.
I live in Australia and to drive these u need ur full licence i have my red provisional so i got a 2018 impreza sedan instead, my wrx friends call it the lesbian sister
Which one? Well...do you like bigger displacement, better steering rack, suspension, transfer case, and a car you never have to explain "well I didn't get an STi because blah blah blah blah blah"?
from just driving the two side by side on public roads. The main differences that are VERY apparent. (MODDED) -Power (wrx is better everywhere in the powerband, faster, and more efficient) -Transmission (Sti has better engagement, feels more similar a bolt action rifle in terms of engagement vs muted in the wrx). -Sound (rumble, distinct, loud vs more refine) Other stuff like super cool diff, limited slip, bigger brakes, and whatever gizmo, aren't really felt driving it pretty moderately on the street. Now would i personally get a STi? For the money probably not. The ej25 is exactly what i thought it would be ancient. Sounds cool but for the power and mpg... Because it's ancient there are a lot of things people know about the engine and you can build it. $$ Stock for stock, sti is better. Modded for modded. The wrx is much better solely because of the engine. It's a huge part of the experience. AJ likes his car better. So yeah. Now if the STi has all of the cool bits + a new engine. Now that's what i'm talking about.
Well...do you like ringland failure, head gasket failure/leaks, lifted heads, spun rod bearings, cracked pistons, cracked engine blocks/cylinder walls, making little power per mod, an engine that can't handle any power in stock form really? If so then the sti/ej257 is for you.
I hope they change it out for a proper 2.0 liter engine. The 2.5 liter is just so it appeals to us Americans because we like displacement. We just want a proper 2.0 liter rally spec engine like the ej207 or 4g63/4b11.
What a gorgeous couple of cars! I’m not super into modding so I’m going with the limited STI. Get a car that’s reliable and badass stock out of the box and maybe mess with it a little Down The road but not much.
awesome vid bro. i have to agree with you when comparing the wrx and sti that the sti is a track rdy car for hardcore drivers and the wrx is for the person that wants to just drive it on the street.
I've never ridden in an STI before but my '17 WRX is an absolute joy to drive. COBB Accessport is an absolute must however. Just makes the car feel like the perfect car.
My only beef with new WRX is the fact that there’s no aftermarket unequal length header option because of the twin scroll. It’s sounds fine but if I wanted a more generic 4 banger sound I’d just go with an Evo vs. fa20 wrx
both rides are dope! going stage 2 on 2017 wrx base with MAPerformace and cant wait! Quick question on those Apollo headlights: did you have to adjust them? they seem to be SUPER bright and i get flashed by other drivers all the time thinking my high beams were on lol
Its simple really. Once you start modding these cars it get to be a headache im not saying dont do it it its gonna happen sometimes itll feel like a money pit. But if you can afford it then get the sti if you live in the city and or dont have money get the wrx. Wrx is really fun even if its slower.
The STI is for someone that tracks their car. Hydraulic steering, beefier trans, stiffer suspension, and the diff controller. I have had an 06 hawkeye wrx and 06 sti. I later purchased an 2016 wrx. The FA motor is way more efficient than the ej's but the stock throttle mapping sucks. The fuel economy is so much better in the FA motors but it should come with both direct and port injection. Out of all three I wish I would have kept the hawkeye sti. They have really held there value well and it was a blast to drive.
Tbh I feel like people who responded negatively about how the red driver was comparing his WRX to the STI are a bit ignorant with the whole point of the video. He’s obviously to trying to make a point on the pros and cons of both cars and how a cheaper WRX can be in the same level as the STI. That’s literally it. Regardless on how he explained it, he explained every single point and that’s the reason why this video was uploaded. Nothing arrogant or biased about this.
thanks 994, i'm not a professional and i shoot these videos for fun! There are cars like the Type R where i would be like yup better than the wrx even with the mods I have. The STi however, it's a different story. Thanks for the comment!
It’s also known to blow up the most too (: I’ve own 3 subaru in my life time, all three motor blown up. 1 2017 sti and 2 2015 wrx. Got rid of all of them. My nismo solid, with just a little less potential but if boosted my old 2.5 and 2.0 don’t stand a chance.
Realistically.. sti is better if you got the money. Is it necessary to just have fun ? No.. wrx is a great car but I would pick the sti any day over the wrx
If you’re not planning on modding that much go with the wrx if you want some power in your car the STI is the way to go. Once you reach 300+ whp you start realizing how much bigger wheels, bigger brakes, better more durable 6 speed are needed.
Ive had experiences with both and much more prefer a WRX for a daily. The STI is just way too stiff and is really only useful on a track. However the price diff between them you can easily mod a WRX to be way better than a factory STI.
Sti is nice and so is the wrx. All comes down to personal preference. That being said I'm glad I went with the sti. Just wished I would have bought an 18 or 19 model year instead of the 17 but oh well.
Considering you guys don’t have power to weight ratio restrictions for new drivers you’d be an idiot buying an n/a if you wanted the turbo, you’ll just be annoyed you pissed away money when you could of saved for another year or so or just gotten a small loan for the better car
Everyone wants a new engine but it’s not gonna have the rumble. Look at the NSX, when people wanted the old engine back and they should have made the non hybrid version
that's whats wrong with the world. People will hate that the engine is old or it doesn't have a rumble. People will get over it though. A lot of haters with the NSX too.
It is a perfect demonstration of "haters gonna hate". People hate the new engine for not having the rumble but also hate the old engine for not enough power. I personally love the rumble too, but equal length header is the way to go in the future, in terms of performance and efficiency :(
... slamming the gas in 3rd at 2k rpm in an STi is as stupid as doing it in a rotary. Of course it won't go how you want it if you don't drive it how it needs to be. Why own a stick if you wouldn't shift it in to second before flooring it to accelerate? I just can't accept an argument against a vehicle being driving against its design. I wouldn't try redlining a LT1 Vette at 9k rpm like an RX-8, doubt it would survive ... with respect to bogging a turbocharged engine like jabbing the gas below its power band, it has potential to cause damage.
Good comparison video. Great job in speaking and driving. Just stumbled onto your channel. Cool car how you set up your car. Where did you get the word fa20 badge?
Frfr but it's so many wrx and STIs where I'm at they all wave sometimes nobody wants to wave an some older Forresters with the EJs in em and older model wrxs. From 99-14
WRX owner sounds like a noob trying to make his WRX look better. Shit looks a bit ricey and sounds whack. STi is modded moderately yet it looks better and sounds better too.
sam the STi isn’t modded at all. Stage 1 with cobb’s intake is a mediocre mod, these cars NEED a real tune, i am s 2016 WRX owner, ProTuned Stage 2+, i am getting the itch for the subie rumble....... and that beefy af driveline in the sti. 🥺
I missed the part about you making the WRX better than a STi with money saved. Your WRX is mostly looks and a tune. My wife drives a 2018 WRX and I have a 2017 STi. Both are awesome cars and perform great. There is such a difference between them. It's more than just power. The STi drivetrain is SO different. The locking center, front and rear make the car feel very different. Low speed turning, backing up turning, powering out of turns and uneven ground all feel very different between the cars. Compare the brakes between cars and look at the cost to add Brembos to a WRX. Compare the suspension and look at costs to modify. Compare a bevel gear viscous diff versus a planetary locking diff and look the the big cost to upgrade. You're young, ignorant and have wealthy parents. Remember to separate your opinions on things from facts of reality. The STi driver was humble, you are bothersome. The WRX is the best daily driver but kids want to pretend they are a purpose built performance car. STi will always be daddy and the WRX the child. It's just sometimes the WRX is the more chill option needed. (My 5 year old daughter likes the STi more.)
Remember that specs on paper and real life experiences differ from people to people. You stating the Sti is the halo car of subaru, that much obvious. Your insults about me and my parents show what type of person you are.
Surprised you guys didn't talk about the differentials; Better in the STI. The brakes; Better in the STI. The Transmission; Stronger in the STI.. The end was Cheesy, We knew the WRX was faster, due to mods, and DI. Overall, I too, would take the STI.
15:55 no one ganna say anything about this dude having an sti shift cover lmao, he’s trying so hard to be an sti, like okay get the sti wing but seriously if ur ganna badge it like it’s an sti your cringe lmao, just cuz u couldn’t afford the Sti at the time don’t badge it as one later, this is so cringe.
it's not about the money. This is a limited wrx with the hk which was 35k msrp. i could of bought a 37k sti. the sti does look better. Just the engine is just shit. There are sti badges all overall brz 's front lip, side skirts. I'm not hiding the fact my car is a wrx. I just buy shit i like, if that makes you cringe. Then so be it.
John Nguyen I own a widebody brz and I don’t have any sti stickers lmao, I think the people that do that are cringe, I understand the wing but why the Sti badge lmao there’s literally so many carbon fiber covers that don’t say sti yet you bought the Sti one 😂
Niko Pichardo bought it off the lot in 2016 because the brz came with more option in 2016, also the gt86 has Subaru badges cuz it’s made in a Subaru factory dumb little boy, learn a little bit of the cars history before u roast it, scion/Toyota didn’t have the funds to produce a car like this, Subaru did and they went to Subaru, all gt86s come out of a SUBARU factory, ignorant little shit.
J.Ralph Roman unequal length headers are for ricers. Fast STi’s sound like the WRX cause they have EL’s, those are the STi’s you know not to try to roll on. EL’s keep the overall engine temp cooler because they exhaust more efficiently and turbo scavenging is greatly improved which means broader power band and better throttle response
I mean when we talk about any generation other than 4th gen for wrx, they all used to come with ej style engines. So I think the older gens are a better comparison.
I literally owned a 15 wrx ( premium ) and now a 17 sti ( base ) they are completely different cars . I went stage 2 plus pro tuned on the wrx and just wasn’t that happy with it . Car felt numb and boring and I’m saying that as a guy that only bought vw’s before this . The sti is just a better car . The feel , the sound , the handling are all noticeably better in the sti . The sti is the first car I ever said to myself that I will always want to keep . I generally get a new car every 2 years .
This was a great video. I love the cinematic shots you put in and I think it was a very good comparison. Your videos are always very clear and high res but this one really popped on my 4K tv. Not sure if you recently bought a new camera or something but it looks really good. And that parking garage was a great place to really hear both of the exhausts while driving. Good thinking. Keep up the good work.
thanks for your kind words, i really appreciate the positive feedback. Stuff like this does take along time to film for someone who is an amateur. And yeah the sony a6500 take some sharp photos!
![WRX VS STI Exhaust Comparison (ELH VS UEL) [4k]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/nYIEL7P-lOE/mqdefault.jpg)
For those who just want to see the race: -Race @25:56
-Our mods
@1:42
-Exhaust Comparison
@5:02
-John' Driving impression in the STI
@7:02
-Aj's driving impressions in the WRX
@15:04
-Conclusion
@22:58
-Race @25:56
damn, sti sounds like an angry monster ready to fight someone lol
FOR REAL
John Nguyen you're a joke. Made yourself look like an idiot.
Except the sti got embarrassed.
the 2015+ wrx uses a twin scroll turbo so it will be very bad if you run an UEL setup.
It's possible if you change the turbo.
The WRX guy wants so bad for everyone to agree his car is better. this guy is the reason for all the Subaru stereotypes.
it's because the car is better.
@@JohnNguyenVincent i really feel and get the vibe that you think your car is better just because you have MORE mods than the sti...
@@joseph-ol5nt sti could have the SAME exact mods and the wrx would still be faster? Where is your argument??
Zackers Sus u even watch the video homie?
@@joseph-ol5nt obviously that's why I commented lmao
If I'm getting a wrx, I wouldn't make it look like an STI. Just make it seem like I can't afford an STI, but it's just me I guess.
I agree. Id like to get the STI but i dont really want to spend an extra $10k.
in my opinion, it's cheaper yet more reliable investment to mod the wrx and you'd arguably get better performance for around 5-7k possibly less.
I'd personally keep the mods subtle like exhaust, tune and rims but that's just me
Eligio Novilla III agreed, If i personally get an STI the first thing I'm gonna do to it is take off that damn wing and put a factory low profile spoiler.
I liked the look of the Sti. Just didn't want the motor.
Looks of an sti and the performance of Fa20dit
Two beautiful cars, but that STi sounds amazing.
thanks, i agree the UEL on the STi sounds so unique and so subaru.
I was thinking of getting on the brz to help reduce the torque dip
You don’t floor the STI at 2000rpms, you can possibly wear out the engine.. (causes of ringland failure)
Lowest RPM you can floor it would be 3k. You should have taken the car to the winding roads, that is where you will see the clear difference between the WRX and an STI.
Arthur Rita when i saw that, i cringed so hard. felt bad for the car. if i was the owner i would’ve said something!
I rolled onto full throttle and it's some similar to what a dyno do i felt like. You are right though, it could potentially hurt the engine. Another weak point of the ej over the fa.
You don't do that in any turbo really. Should never really put a big load like that on a turbo.
I've floored my Stage 2+ STi at 2500rpm in 4th gear like 9 times already for my eTune from Torqued Performance... ;___;
thumbs for torqued performance!
I had a 19 WRX with full bolt on, and I traded it for an STI... idk the STI just felt like more car to me. I’ll be bolting on everything to the STI so I’m not worried about stock power. Just feels better to me, even as a daily.
Totally agree. I traded in my WRX for a 2020 STI and could feel the difference right away
I got a 2019 wrx stage 2 and i was debating going fmic and flex fuel. But my 2020 sti comes to the dealer on the 17th. The last of a dynasty. I'm super excited.
But which one you liked the most??
Well I currently own a 2015 STI limited and a 2019 STI so…. The STI hands down lol
I personally like the simple look of wrx/sti, without having a rice cooker. I’m filipino and my mom told me to leave the rice cooker at home.
I went with sti because i believe it can handle a better beating then the wrx, and plus the rumble... the rumble is amazing
I'm not sure about the new ones. The older ones had the same block either bored to a 2.0 or 2.5 the thicker cylinder walls of the 2.0l could handle alot more power than the 2.5l in the sti
Handling wise tho that is a diffrent story. The sti is on another level
@@devoniousmaximus533 yes the wrx is a 2.0 and sti is 2.5. Because of that the wrx can handle and push a lot more boost
I’d still take the Sti. The value stays high after 10 years compared to the wrx
Not the new ones man, they aren’t gonna hold value
Benson Hedges what are you talking about? A 2015 with 30k miles will run you 25k still.
@@avantnarde2815 I can back this up. Bought a 2018 with 20k for 26
I think the VAs will hold value regardless if it’s an STI or WRX
@@bensonhedges479 This comment didn't age well :/ Subaru canceled the new sti JACKING the prices up on the va STI
I was fortunate enough to have owned both, I had a 2017 WRX, 365 whp on an E55 tune from Ron @ Phatbotti and currently a 2020 STI. Right now just intake, catback on the STI, with E85 planned at the end of the month. I'd absolutely rather daily the WRX and keep the STI for a weekend toy. It's more fuel efficient, the power band is in the lower RPM and the suspension is more comfortable. I didn't care for the shifter though, even with the STI short shift kit, but after adding the Perrin shift stop, it was much better. Plus its so easy to just add flex fuel, fuel pump and boom, tons of power. The STI needs more supporting modifications to do this. I do love the STI though, it has a more "raw" feel to it, and it likes to be driven hard. Can't really go wrong with either, just depends what the purpose is and your budget.
Both amazing cars. I drove the Sti back in 2016 and it was amazing. Cant go wrong either way with awd and a 6 speed manual!
i agree, both are so gooddddddddd
Drove my STi on Angeles Crest and ran into a couple of guys with e39 m3's and and had no problems running with them. The short gearing (and good heel-toe shifting) will keep you in the power in and out of the corners. There is little to no turbo lag if you're in the right gear.
Yeah, i noticed that when we doing the pulls. I had no idea that the sti gearing are so short. Reminds me of my s2000. Surely a fun drive to curve up the mountain.
When he tries to his wrx be the better one but we all know the Sti is better
Hey I get it sti are badass cars you driving a bad ass car with some cheap parts?
You seem arrogant, not subbed. Sti owner seemed chill.
I sure missed the part about all the money he saved going WRX made it maybe even better than a STI... My wife drives a 2018 WRX and I have a 2017 STi. Both are great and I'm not slamming one compared to the other. When you get out of one and into the other, the difference is obvious.
The point that comes across are both cars have it's pros and cons. Many people believe the STI is better in every way. That's clearly no the case, especially in this 2015-2019 generation. Both being modified, the difference sway my opinion more.
The WRX is cheaper upfront, cheaper to maintain, and cheaper every fill up.
The STI is still Subaru best Halo car.
@@JohnNguyenVincent Nothing can ever be better in every way. We agree that pros always go with cons. The STI is, to me, every bit as fast as any street car need be. The best mod anyone can ever do is learn to drive. A good drive can murder in an STI. The WRX could use a little help getting up to STI limits. So, from my point of view it's comparing the price of WRX+mods to just STI. At that point both cars are about equal in cost and performance. One has a warranty and no worries about acquired issues. Don't bs, modded cars ARE less reliable. I also don't do cosmetic mods so that may change the math some. As an owner of both, the gas difference is minimal. The difference between the STI and WRX is less than some 87 octane regular car and a WRX. Thanks for being a nice commenter!
Oh have you not noticed, arrogance is in style. Of all the nice cars out there a sti owner has no right to be arrogant. Sti is a affordable kinda cool car but not going to be looked at a cars and coffee or ?. Sure the Porsche and Audi owners are impressed by a cheap cute boy racer car. Stop the arrogance as their is know reason for it. We can all afford a freakin Subaru.
@@gregblack8550 You grew up in a much more affluent region than I. A lot of people around here can't afford a STI. A Subaru yes, but not a STI. Speaking at the national level, not your neighborhood, not everyone can afford one.
Why would Sti be similar to BRZ? They are completely different in everything. Sti is a rally racing machine out of the box. BRZ is a fun toy and it’s slow, smaller and lighter.
I personally have a Wrx and I had the choice to purchase a new Wrx or a new STI. The reason I personally went with the wrx is because of the motor. I have too many friends that have had issues with the EJ and buddies putting down 380 - 400 hp to the wheels on the Wrx with full bolt one and e85. They so far haven’t had any issues but they replaced the head gasket to a stronger one just in case. I personally love both and still want a STI in the future, I just couldn’t compensate 10k more for the older motor over the Wrx which is still fun cars. Mad love and respect to both cars, they’re bad ass and I will never get the UEL sound which sucks but both cars are great. :)
This was my exact reasoning for going with the wrx. The ej25 is just a inferior engine compared to the FA20DIT. Definitely love the sti trans, diffs, brakes.
When you wish your WRX was an STI HAHA
Why would you? Ones for daily ones track ready but old. One take E way easier one is good for stock only. Many are saying the opposite at the end of the day. I have both. Wife and I.
@@Ace62595 why wouldn't you lmao dumb question
@@iToxicTritton they’re for different purposes. Some time the Wrx is more fun honestly. My STI is great and all but.
@@Ace62595 had a 05 sti and own a 2019 wrx now and although the sti was a lot more raw i have just as much fun in the wrx. These kids are clowns lol they probably don’t even own a Subaru
@@fengamaguuch2030 I know there are going to be people who refused to listen. The whole point of this video was pretty much show that the motor in the wrx is better than the STI.
And to the og comment. No I didn't wish I had a STI. I wanted something that was fast for the money on the Street. That wasn't going to happen in the sti unless you dump mad money into it.
Both cars looks sharp. I'm thinking of getting a WRX for the first time. So I'm doing research to see if its for me.
It's simple, if Subaru thought wrx was better than the STI they would have sold STI cheaper than the WRX. Trying to compare an STI to a wrx is just to make your self feel better won't change the fact that the STI is the big daddy.
"Is it a deal breaker if it doesn't have it?" 100% yes lol
Both cars are so clean!
First sentence should have been: RIP warranty :P
Wow an e-85 wrx beat a stage 1 sti... who would’ve guessed lmao
lol
Wrx owner Bashes the sti and yet tries to make his car look like a sti. 😂 Then expects it to feel like a brz🤦🏽♂️ the only thing close to the Brz is his Wrx sharing the Fa20 motor.
I make my car look however i want. If i put my mustang headlights on my car doesn't mean i want to be a mustang lmao.
Lol nice👌🏽
Casey Pinto He got the WRX because it was cheaper and didn't want to spend the extra money on the STI... But later he spent a lot of$$$ on mods so his car would of look and perform as a stock STI😂...With all the money he paid for those mods he could of got the Limited STI instead... That way he wouldn't have to always explain people why he got a WRX over an STI, but then he modified it to make it looks and perform as an STI...LOL😅🤣😂
John Nguyen Awwww, did Casey Pinto hurt your feelings?😅🤣😂🤣😅
ricardopr54 lol. His wrx with that mod out performed the sti. He didn’t try to make it perform like the sti, because it just couldn’t. FA20’s and Ej’s are waaaay to different to perform alike. Come on man. Get your facts straight. Two different engines yet will perform alike?? It’s like putting a monkey in a pool and add some scuba gear for it to perform and swim like a fish.
I had a 2015 WRX that averaged 27 mpg, I now have a 2016 STI that averages 22.6. I enjoy them both.
I live in Australia and to drive these u need ur full licence i have my red provisional so i got a 2018 impreza sedan instead, my wrx friends call it the lesbian sister
Which one?
Well...do you like bigger displacement, better steering rack, suspension, transfer case, and a car you never have to explain "well I didn't get an STi because blah blah blah blah blah"?
from just driving the two side by side on public roads.
The main differences that are VERY apparent. (MODDED)
-Power (wrx is better everywhere in the powerband, faster, and more efficient)
-Transmission (Sti has better engagement, feels more similar a bolt action rifle in terms of engagement vs muted in the wrx).
-Sound (rumble, distinct, loud vs more refine)
Other stuff like super cool diff, limited slip, bigger brakes, and whatever gizmo, aren't really felt driving it pretty moderately on the street.
Now would i personally get a STi? For the money probably not. The ej25 is exactly what i thought it would be ancient. Sounds cool but for the power and mpg... Because it's ancient there are a lot of things people know about the engine and you can build it. $$
Stock for stock, sti is better. Modded for modded. The wrx is much better solely because of the engine. It's a huge part of the experience. AJ likes his car better. So yeah.
Now if the STi has all of the cool bits + a new engine. Now that's what i'm talking about.
Well...do you like ringland failure, head gasket failure/leaks, lifted heads, spun rod bearings, cracked pistons, cracked engine blocks/cylinder walls, making little power per mod, an engine that can't handle any power in stock form really? If so then the sti/ej257 is for you.
Oh and don’t forget that piston slap due to the stupidly overbored engine SOA did when trying to get it to be a 2.5l for us Americans. What a joke.
I'm sure they will change it out for the 2020 model year.
I hope they change it out for a proper 2.0 liter engine. The 2.5 liter is just so it appeals to us Americans because we like displacement. We just want a proper 2.0 liter rally spec engine like the ej207 or 4g63/4b11.
What a gorgeous couple of cars! I’m not super into modding so I’m going with the limited STI. Get a car that’s reliable and badass stock out of the box and maybe mess with it a little Down The road but not much.
Thanks! YOu are going to love your limited STI!
awesome vid bro. i have to agree with you when comparing the wrx and sti that the sti is a track rdy car for hardcore drivers and the wrx is for the person that wants to just drive it on the street.
I will admit the STI exhaust sounds better but I LOVE the induction noises from the WRX and the earlier boost.
I've never ridden in an STI before but my '17 WRX is an absolute joy to drive. COBB Accessport is an absolute must however. Just makes the car feel like the perfect car.
The EJ25 will spin a bearing and probably crack the ringlands too before the FA20 has any issues at all.
My only beef with new WRX is the fact that there’s no aftermarket unequal length header option because of the twin scroll. It’s sounds fine but if I wanted a more generic 4 banger sound I’d just go with an Evo vs. fa20 wrx
yeah some people like that rumble!
John Nguyen
I love the rumble man and I have a WRX but I don’t wanna get rid of it.
@@JohnNguyenVincent no everyone likes the rumble
Both cars are great. Congrats to both
For sure I'm going with a standard 2019 wrx this summer
Did you get it?
both rides are dope! going stage 2 on 2017 wrx base with MAPerformace and cant wait! Quick question on those Apollo headlights: did you have to adjust them? they seem to be SUPER bright and i get flashed by other drivers all the time thinking my high beams were on lol
Its simple really. Once you start modding these cars it get to be a headache im not saying dont do it it its gonna happen sometimes itll feel like a money pit. But if you can afford it then get the sti if you live in the city and or dont have money get the wrx. Wrx is really fun even if its slower.
The wrx sounded pretty dope too. I would take either of them.
The STI is for someone that tracks their car. Hydraulic steering, beefier trans, stiffer suspension, and the diff controller. I have had an 06 hawkeye wrx and 06 sti. I later purchased an 2016 wrx. The FA motor is way more efficient than the ej's but the stock throttle mapping sucks. The fuel economy is so much better in the FA motors but it should come with both direct and port injection. Out of all three I wish I would have kept the hawkeye sti. They have really held there value well and it was a blast to drive.
You just passed puberty.
Tbh I feel like people who responded negatively about how the red driver was comparing his WRX to the STI are a bit ignorant with the whole point of the video.
He’s obviously to trying to make a point on the pros and cons of both cars and how a cheaper WRX can be in the same level as the STI. That’s literally it. Regardless on how he explained it, he explained every single point and that’s the reason why this video was uploaded. Nothing arrogant or biased about this.
thanks 994,
i'm not a professional and i shoot these videos for fun! There are cars like the Type R where i would be like yup better than the wrx even with the mods I have. The STi however, it's a different story.
Thanks for the comment!
John Nguyen all good. I just felt like it needed to be addressed. More power to you guys 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽 #subienation
Smiles Per Gallon Over Miles Per Gallon. I'll Take The Sti Over The Wrx Indefinitely :)
Love my WRX. For personal reasons STI did not needs very happy with my new WRX. Not everyone wants mods, we just live in mountains lol.
everyone know that sti is the best, it is the most used motor in the race
It’s also known to blow up the most too (: I’ve own 3 subaru in my life time, all three motor blown up. 1 2017 sti and 2 2015 wrx. Got rid of all of them. My nismo solid, with just a little less potential but if boosted my old 2.5 and 2.0 don’t stand a chance.
@@johnnyboi5661 what about against the six cylinder boxer engine from subaru Tribeca
Realistically.. sti is better if you got the money. Is it necessary to just have fun ? No.. wrx is a great car but I would pick the sti any day over the wrx
What's the better value though, especially when you do some mods.
I like both. I’d be happier with either. I like the exhaust on the blue one. But the red one looks a little better in my opinion.
Stumbled across the channel dope y’all from Sacramento ✊🏼
The STI sounds meeeann asf!!!! Dayuum
Damn that WRx and that lightning is super nice 😱😱🔥🔥❤❤❤
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If you’re not planning on modding that much go with the wrx if you want some power in your car the STI is the way to go. Once you reach 300+ whp you start realizing how much bigger wheels, bigger brakes, better more durable 6 speed are needed.
No matter what you say, yours is just a WRX, his is the STI 😂
Ive had experiences with both and much more prefer a WRX for a daily. The STI is just way too stiff and is really only useful on a track. However the price diff between them you can easily mod a WRX to be way better than a factory STI.
The wrx also walked his sti lmao
His was stage 2 lol
@@AD-iw4vy its 6 speed
What seats are on the blue sti. I like how the look. Would fit perfect on my 18 sti
I have a WRX and don’t get me wrong those EL headers really help with performance but that damn STI sounds almost like a damn v8 wtf.
I hear the turbo a lot better with the wrx, but I love how deep the sti is
My vote is for the Flintstones mobile when I can afford gas for it :D
All you need is an STI badge
Although your wrx still sounds like a civic so IDK..
Sti is nice and so is the wrx. All comes down to personal preference. That being said I'm glad I went with the sti. Just wished I would have bought an 18 or 19 model year instead of the 17 but oh well.
Im getting tomorrow my first wrx is the premium but if i had the budget for a little bit more i would get the sti...
My first Subaru will be a STI
both wonderful cars! getting a wrx first makes the wait for the sti even better
Considering you guys don’t have power to weight ratio restrictions for new drivers you’d be an idiot buying an n/a if you wanted the turbo, you’ll just be annoyed you pissed away money when you could of saved for another year or so or just gotten a small loan for the better car
it so cringy watching this you guys like hating on each other
😂
Everyone wants a new engine but it’s not gonna have the rumble. Look at the NSX, when people wanted the old engine back and they should have made the non hybrid version
that's whats wrong with the world. People will hate that the engine is old or it doesn't have a rumble.
People will get over it though. A lot of haters with the NSX too.
It is a perfect demonstration of "haters gonna hate". People hate the new engine for not having the rumble but also hate the old engine for not enough power. I personally love the rumble too, but equal length header is the way to go in the future, in terms of performance and efficiency :(
I should also add the 2019 Supra not being a 3JZ but a BMW block...
... slamming the gas in 3rd at 2k rpm in an STi is as stupid as doing it in a rotary. Of course it won't go how you want it if you don't drive it how it needs to be. Why own a stick if you wouldn't shift it in to second before flooring it to accelerate?
I just can't accept an argument against a vehicle being driving against its design. I wouldn't try redlining a LT1 Vette at 9k rpm like an RX-8, doubt it would survive ... with respect to bogging a turbocharged engine like jabbing the gas below its power band, it has potential to cause damage.
Love the sti exhaust, I have a wrx but would love for my car to sound the same as yours!!
Get some uel
Dope Video Twin! I always wondered about having a STI myself. Looking clean like always #Goals
thanks my twin
Sti is better 👊🤟
The WRX sound like ass and the STI sounds like a classic 😂 STI Subarus is the best of them.
I love the somewhere in Mexico queue lol
well done gents. you have a new subscriber.
Boomba ST shifter and Boomba Shift plate will make the WRX’s Transmission perfect!
Yeah, i need someone in my area that has that setup.
I gotta try that out!
Nice mods gentlemen !
Good comparison video. Great job in speaking and driving. Just stumbled onto your channel. Cool car how you set up your car. Where did you get the word fa20 badge?
i bought it off a group buy.
4:30 Bro with the wrx wanted it to be a sti so bad. Look at those badges.
It is just tacky to upbadge your car imo.
If you track or rally cross, you need the real differentials of the STI. Otherwise, whatever floats your boat.
Too all sti owners piece too all wrx piece :) love the subi community
I also see a lot of sti owners look down on wrx wont even throw. Peice sign lol
Frfr but it's so many wrx and STIs where I'm at they all wave sometimes nobody wants to wave an some older Forresters with the EJs in em and older model wrxs. From 99-14
WRX owner sounds like a noob trying to make his WRX look better. Shit looks a bit ricey and sounds whack. STi is modded moderately yet it looks better and sounds better too.
I am a noob and a ricer.
So that much is true.
sam the STi isn’t modded at all. Stage 1 with cobb’s intake is a mediocre mod, these cars NEED a real tune, i am s 2016 WRX owner, ProTuned Stage 2+, i am getting the itch for the subie rumble....... and that beefy af driveline in the sti. 🥺
@@93ChayZ weak engine tho
The red wrx had some nice crackles.
nice vid. enjoy them very much. your car is a beauty. what lights did you put into your side mirrors? looks so slick
Those are avest turn signals, i linked them in the description!
Thank you for this video ... It really helpful
I spent quite a bit time on this video. Glad it helped!
Yeah E85 vs 91/93 octane is gonna win in a drag race.
The Blue sti took the trophy 🏆 love from Africa
yes. close your door with the handles so no finger smudges! it runs in the family
longucd haha I don't always but I try to
A hatch in this year would be nasty
I missed the part about you making the WRX better than a STi with money saved. Your WRX is mostly looks and a tune. My wife drives a 2018 WRX and I have a 2017 STi. Both are awesome cars and perform great. There is such a difference between them. It's more than just power. The STi drivetrain is SO different. The locking center, front and rear make the car feel very different. Low speed turning, backing up turning, powering out of turns and uneven ground all feel very different between the cars. Compare the brakes between cars and look at the cost to add Brembos to a WRX. Compare the suspension and look at costs to modify. Compare a bevel gear viscous diff versus a planetary locking diff and look the the big cost to upgrade.
You're young, ignorant and have wealthy parents. Remember to separate your opinions on things from facts of reality. The STi driver was humble, you are bothersome. The WRX is the best daily driver but kids want to pretend they are a purpose built performance car. STi will always be daddy and the WRX the child. It's just sometimes the WRX is the more chill option needed. (My 5 year old daughter likes the STi more.)
Remember that specs on paper and real life experiences differ from people to people. You stating the Sti is the halo car of subaru, that much obvious.
Your insults about me and my parents show what type of person you are.
Stinger up!! I see you there
Surprised you guys didn't talk about the differentials; Better in the STI. The brakes; Better in the STI. The Transmission; Stronger in the STI..
The end was Cheesy, We knew the WRX was faster, due to mods, and DI.
Overall, I too, would take the STI.
15:55 no one ganna say anything about this dude having an sti shift cover lmao, he’s trying so hard to be an sti, like okay get the sti wing but seriously if ur ganna badge it like it’s an sti your cringe lmao, just cuz u couldn’t afford the Sti at the time don’t badge it as one later, this is so cringe.
it's not about the money.
This is a limited wrx with the hk which was 35k msrp. i could of bought a 37k sti.
the sti does look better. Just the engine is just shit.
There are sti badges all overall brz 's front lip, side skirts.
I'm not hiding the fact my car is a wrx.
I just buy shit i like, if that makes you cringe. Then so be it.
John Nguyen I own a widebody brz and I don’t have any sti stickers lmao, I think the people that do that are cringe, I understand the wing but why the Sti badge lmao there’s literally so many carbon fiber covers that don’t say sti yet you bought the Sti one 😂
@@Bookiemouncher Says the guy with the BRZ and not the FRS. relax buddy...
Niko Pichardo bought it off the lot in 2016 because the brz came with more option in 2016, also the gt86 has Subaru badges cuz it’s made in a Subaru factory dumb little boy, learn a little bit of the cars history before u roast it, scion/Toyota didn’t have the funds to produce a car like this, Subaru did and they went to Subaru, all gt86s come out of a SUBARU factory, ignorant little shit.
Luke Wilmoth rofl so mad.
Were you guys at the Cal State Fullerton garage? Haha so many subies up there staging at dusk
Love your video just too long though keep up the good work
thanks
I didn’t know what I was getting myself into when I got an STI. Wrx’s trying to race me every chance I see them 🙄
Both are beautiful cars but the STI is just better in every single way.
WRX exhaust note is shameful!!!
J.Ralph Roman that EJ makes a huge difference 🔥
J.Ralph Roman unequal length headers are for ricers. Fast STi’s sound like the WRX cause they have EL’s, those are the STi’s you know not to try to roll on. EL’s keep the overall engine temp cooler because they exhaust more efficiently and turbo scavenging is greatly improved which means broader power band and better throttle response
Driveitsideways 1 come race my STI with UEL, you'll love it haha
EEvil 94 a bolted STi isn’t any faster then a bolted Speed6 lol
Driveitsideways 1 what about a corn fed fully built one .?
I mean when we talk about any generation other than 4th gen for wrx, they all used to come with ej style engines. So I think the older gens are a better comparison.
STI Owner way more chill
that's true.
fr wrx owner tried to compensate too much
Bro your WRX sounds amazing! how did you get it sound like that?
mods are in the description
Downpipe.
how did you u get the circle shift knob sti dash thing for your wrx/ where ?? haha i dont know what to call it
u can order it with WRX shifters/certain parts as add ons
Cool comparison. Do you know the wheels/tire specs on the sti? I'm assuming he's on stock suspension too?
Sounds exactly like my STi😁
Evaristo Ponce my doctor told me the same thing ........ wait .......
Great video. I have the 2017 base model WRX. I'm not going to mod it. I Will put on fog lights this July for my birthday.
Yea man I got the 2018 sti and I'm not going to mod it either I like it how it is. I'm not going to be racing anyone lol
I literally owned a 15 wrx ( premium ) and now a 17 sti ( base ) they are completely different cars . I went stage 2 plus pro tuned on the wrx and just wasn’t that happy with it . Car felt numb and boring and I’m saying that as a guy that only bought vw’s before this . The sti is just a better car . The feel , the sound , the handling are all noticeably better in the sti . The sti is the first car I ever said to myself that I will always want to keep . I generally get a new car every 2 years .
This was a great video. I love the cinematic shots you put in and I think it was a very good comparison. Your videos are always very clear and high res but this one really popped on my 4K tv. Not sure if you recently bought a new camera or something but it looks really good. And that parking garage was a great place to really hear both of the exhausts while driving. Good thinking. Keep up the good work.
thanks for your kind words, i really appreciate the positive feedback. Stuff like this does take along time to film for someone who is an amateur.
And yeah the sony a6500 take some sharp photos!
So sick! What a beautiful car.
I’m sure one if you is a Filipino ☺️👊🏻
yeah the one who owns the Blue Subie