I suppose the final takeaway is really just to leave your ego at the door, in general. It'll help you play better in the moment and learn from your mistakes :)
Swapping back and forth between bronze and plat lobbies (because of account diff/friend group skill diff) was honestly one of the fastest ways for me to learn this. Going off onridiculous Hanzo flanks doesnt work when I play with yall but playing in bronze it worked pretty much a good majority of the time. Its been one hell of a realization to understand that your team, even if bad, is still your team. And if you dont work with them, things are gonna fall apart. That being said, good vid, sorry it took so long to watch xD
i agree with the main point of the video, that you should position yourself based on where your teammates are to still be effective and help them in the fight, however i wouldn't phrase it as "being too smart" because it is quite the opposite in my opinion. there are no absolutely and objectively correct positions in overwatch, the game is too fast paced and there are too many variables for that, believing that the highground in your example is the "correct" position to play on blizzard world defense is wrong, not only in bronze but in every rank. the fundamentals of positioning that apply to every rank is that you should play within the effective range of your hero to where the fight is happening, ideally on the right off-angle, and use cover
You're 100% correct. The reason I phrased it the way I did was to aim it at the people who need to hear it most. I've seen a lot of metal players (myself included, at one point) who watch a few guides, learn that highground is important, and get in the headspace of "Well, I get it now. It's so obvious, and look at my idiot teammates! No wonder I'm not climbing." Their adherence to what they think is "correct," keeps them in a mindset of glossing over their mistakes and blaming their team for everything. As they actually start to climb, they'll understand that highground isn't automatically the correct place to be. But for where they're at right now, they're going to start their defense on that highground for no other reason than "it's highground and I know what I'm doing." So that's where "Being too smart" comes from. In their mind, they're right and everyone else should be playing with them. As if Overwatch is like Chess with accurate moves and inaccurate moves, and why don't my teammates get that I'm making all of these highly accurate moves over here?? lol
"This is bronze. You're the only person on your team who knows that" i really love to think that this phrase isn't about better positioning but about kowing you're in the bronze 😆😆😭😭
Exactly! Adapting to your team means adapting to the heroes they pick, and adapting to what they are capable of doing; as players. "If one person is feeding, they're feeding. If the whole team is feeding, it's a strategy" and the flipside to that is if you're stubbornly sticking to your "good position" you might not be helping as much as you could
I suppose the final takeaway is really just to leave your ego at the door, in general. It'll help you play better in the moment and learn from your mistakes :)
Swapping back and forth between bronze and plat lobbies (because of account diff/friend group skill diff) was honestly one of the fastest ways for me to learn this. Going off onridiculous Hanzo flanks doesnt work when I play with yall but playing in bronze it worked pretty much a good majority of the time. Its been one hell of a realization to understand that your team, even if bad, is still your team. And if you dont work with them, things are gonna fall apart.
That being said, good vid, sorry it took so long to watch xD
thinking about macro genuinely will help me
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i agree with the main point of the video, that you should position yourself based on where your teammates are to still be effective and help them in the fight, however i wouldn't phrase it as "being too smart" because it is quite the opposite in my opinion.
there are no absolutely and objectively correct positions in overwatch, the game is too fast paced and there are too many variables for that, believing that the highground in your example is the "correct" position to play on blizzard world defense is wrong, not only in bronze but in every rank.
the fundamentals of positioning that apply to every rank is that you should play within the effective range of your hero to where the fight is happening, ideally on the right off-angle, and use cover
You're 100% correct. The reason I phrased it the way I did was to aim it at the people who need to hear it most. I've seen a lot of metal players (myself included, at one point) who watch a few guides, learn that highground is important, and get in the headspace of "Well, I get it now. It's so obvious, and look at my idiot teammates! No wonder I'm not climbing." Their adherence to what they think is "correct," keeps them in a mindset of glossing over their mistakes and blaming their team for everything.
As they actually start to climb, they'll understand that highground isn't automatically the correct place to be. But for where they're at right now, they're going to start their defense on that highground for no other reason than "it's highground and I know what I'm doing." So that's where "Being too smart" comes from. In their mind, they're right and everyone else should be playing with them. As if Overwatch is like Chess with accurate moves and inaccurate moves, and why don't my teammates get that I'm making all of these highly accurate moves over here?? lol
"This is bronze. You're the only person on your team who knows that"
i really love to think that this phrase isn't about better positioning but about kowing you're in the bronze 😆😆😭😭
Exactly! Adapting to your team means adapting to the heroes they pick, and adapting to what they are capable of doing; as players.
"If one person is feeding, they're feeding. If the whole team is feeding, it's a strategy" and the flipside to that is if you're stubbornly sticking to your "good position" you might not be helping as much as you could
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