Some feedback: - list us the errors and bonuses so we can keep track of whats happening - more clear ruling and results, and also make sure the final score is annonced in the end, it was bit odd now. - hosts should have better idea and prep for the beginning, middle and finale parts of the show - have more mics, its annoying to have people talking off screen and not hear it - maybe a checklist or like % counter showing the players progress
These are all good points however this is not a chess grand tournament, it's just a bunch of guys screwing around on camera in the loose format of a competition. I wouldn't take it too seriously.
I believe this is an interesting segment of a show, could become a trend, it takes work and more people involved, but it's definitely something I would watch on a weekly or monthly basis. All sorts of PC building challenges with clear goals. - benchmarking - most crazy builds - most beautiful builds .... I say it worth the investment Linus, it's q whole niche and trend you can dominate on TH-cam.
I love how right off the bat, Anthony has the computer ready for repair, Linus has instinctively angled the computer to the camera for filming priority.
i love how they cut away from linus and then back and he had never stopped talking. he's like instinctively making a tutorial instead of just doing the work.
I think it was because the first panel Linus took off was where the cables are managed whereas Anthony took off the glass panel first. They both had the panels they intended to take off first facing toward their bodies.
Jayz 2 cents doesn't need thermal paste Linus doesn't need a strong power supply Together they'll make a PC running on 2 AA batteries with a 12900K CPU and 3090 GPU installed and neither has a cooler.
5:38 I love this. Linus forgets that there are three other people to talk and starts narrating his process. The hosts mute him... and he's still talking!
It's nice that they both have timers on their screen. If one of them accelerates to near the speed of light in order to harness time dilation, we'll be able to tell.
Time dialation would not work in their favor. Time travels more slowly for people traveling near the speed of light so if they took 2.5 hours to finish and they spent the whole time at speed of light (relative to the rest of LTT) they would come back to learn 35 hours had passed and the competition was long over. If they took the timer with them it would still read 2.5 hours when they returned and nothing about the result would have changed (except someone came back with a timer that said 2.5 hours has passed 35 hours after they hit start).
This really needed an on-screen scorecard of sorts. Show the audience the expected issues and put check marks next to Linus' and Anthony's name as they found / resolved them. Otherwise there is no context as to what they are actually working on and if they are wasting their time.
We don't need a scorecard. Linus clearly won the channel; He has some serious PC building skills. Everyone roots for Anthony but it was not his day. A scorecard would have not fixed it.
@@Gmdudospl i don't think we care about the score card helping Anthony's score or not, we want to know what issues there are and if the competitors are wasting time fiddling with something that isn't an issue, or if they are stuck on an issue but not figuring out what is wrong, it helps the audience follow the competition. but like Linus stated at the start compared to some of the other tech support challenges the computers look fairly good surface level, and we as the audience can see even less than they can. It would just be nice to have some guide to follow along with Linus and Anthony's thought process.
Linus swapping the PSU without swapping the cables was pretty clutch. Linus spending half an hour trying to hack Minecraft, however, was very much not clutch at all.
Yeah the Minecraft nonsense at the end was just Linus stalling for time trying to make things more interesting. I'm sure he was only expecting to have to do it for a little bit but with how far behind Anthony was (which Linus didn't know when he started stalling) the stalling quickly got to the point of ridiculousness but by that point he was committed. I seriously doubt Linus cares about winning, he cares about having an interesting competition to draw an audience.
@@MultiIhatethis honestly, given that he didnt know that he had to hold down the button to mine the block, i really think that wasnt on purpose. he never played minecraft and didnt now know how tiny desert biomes are ingame and thought he would have to walk for 20 min and could save time if he cheated. and he could have especially given that the world wasnt even actually cheat locked
To me it looked like he did that on purpose so that Anthony could catch up and complete his challenges as well and the video would have a better ending than this.
@@stefen0074 More importantly he didn't know that there's a pretty limiting draw distance setting by default. If he knew to jack that up, he may as well seen a tree out there from the get-go. Without knowing, he's thinking he's no where near a forest.
This is great to watch, I find it interesting the way Anthony and Linus approach things so differently. Anthony is more of a slow critical thinker while Linus is more of a speed brute force type problem solver. The way their minds work together in a team makes for some absolutely god-tier content and one of the reasons this channel is so good.
@Merovingian1882 I'm sure Anthony is self aware of his weight, there are many people that have downfalls with addiction, being overweight is hard because the addiction is visible to others. A toxic attitude is no way to help someone though.
@@nathanschild2388 I totally agree with you what a POS attitude. Also I would like some studies that show correlation between being overweight/obese and lower IQ or being slower or whatever you were claiming Anthony is struggling with.
There's no way to assume Anothny may be a slow thinker or that Linus dont thinks critical. But I get what you wanted to express I guess and im with you.
I actually disagree. Linus actually went with the troubleshooting approach - checked what was grossly wrong and then went to diagnostics. Anthony went with beating the challenge approach where he thought there is always a ton wrong with these challanges so probs imah save time and be thorough with just redoing the entire seating and stuff. Pretty sure he could go with troubleshooting mode as well. As for people making fun of his weight, it isnt nice. pretty sure he knows that and for all people know he might just have a hormonal disorder completely not under his control. It is as rude to make fun of him as it would be making fun of Linus' ADHD. Can people focus on the content for a couple of hours and their abilities and not judge others by their appearance all the time?
I love Anthony and he is definitely god-tier but Linus absolutely destroyed him here. Not noticing that the SATA SSDs were in a RAID array is a BIG deal. Imagine working on a customers computer and losing all of their data because you didn't check if they were using RAID. Linus picked up on that right away. Checking the PSU cable pin-out to avoid having to swap them out was pretty brilliant as well, ideally you would still change the cables but this being a competition where time matters, it was a pretty slick move. All in all, this was SO scuffed but still really entertaining and that's all that really matters. People getting mad because it was scuffed need to chill, this isn't all that important. It's actually not important at all.
I agree that he should have noticed the Raid 0 config in the bios, even with everything I'm going to say. However, I think that telling him in advance he could reset the bios may have messed with his thought process.. Linus walked through everything in the Bios first and then asked if he could reset the bios but they told Anthony before he even booted that he could reset the BIOS. So since he knew this ahead of time he kept that in mind and he reset it before he may have thought to if he wasn't told that. Especially since in past challenges that was against the rules. But yeah it was fun and Linus did really well for sure.
@@KurosuKirie "act like linux slob" at time yes it seem like that but Anthony use all three os. He appreciate tech it more like. He prefer Linux due to the idea behind compare to the idea behind windows which is to make money for Microsoft and not make a better user interface for consumer
As much as I was hoping Anthony would win, he spent forever on cable management with the PSU swap out that Linus did in under a minute as there was no need to rewire everything. That combined with not realizing the drives were in a raid 0 and not having both connected just did him in. Linus deserved the win, which he proved with the minecraft nonsense at the end.
too be fair a raid is about the last thing id expect from someone requiring tech support. It makes about as much sense as the rules that changed every 5 minutes.
Man, you can really see what a consummate professional Linus is as a presenter, and tech professional in general. You can tell he’s been doing this for a LONG time, and it’s just second nature to make what he’s doing available to an audience
You can also tell he put a hell of a lot of filler in at the end to help Antony, "the minecraft crao". Would have helped the stream a little if he had just ended it faster.
Its interesting seeing the difference between Linus's combined skills and Anthony's separate skills a tech professional and presenter (I really enjoy his videos and think he's a great presenter, but they're not, of course, under time pressure or too heavily repair based, but he has obviously also got a lot of years of experience in building/repair too from his earlier career).
linus can do what very few people can do which is talk and keep things interesting and still work and think through complex problems. This is soo hard to do in practice but he does it effortlessly. It also highlights that even though he’s at the top of the food chain at LMG, he still knows his stuff cold.
Ya'll need to figure out the logistics of this series and keep it going. I get bored and stop watching any other PC builds, but I just binged these 3 episodes and now looking for more. These were some of the most entertaining videos I've seen on this platform in a very long time. Linus really has something great here that meshes perfectly with the ecosystem he's already created and it would be a huge mistake to abandon this series instead of investing the time and effort to perfect the formula
Even though we can call this a win for Linus regardless, I still would've liked the scorecard breakdown at the end, especially since it wasn't on-screen like in previous videos. Would like to see more of these challenges!
Except the scorecard was completely broken apparently. And considering it was way over time and people were getting rather annoyed / pissed off they needed to end it there. If Linus hadn't wasted over a half hour trying to cheat at Minecraft there might have been a better ending, but not by that point.
@@88porpoise This is what I thought. The train was clearly going off the rails and needed to be stopped. I'm guessing Chase got an earful once the feed was cut.
This was a bit frustrating to watch (still entertaining), it just felt like there was not enough prep with the hosts knowing the proper rules and goals as there was a lot of second guessing about them and even rules changing on the fly. But well done to those involved, pulling this off live would be very difficult, and to Anthony, don't be too harsh on yourself you did well under the circumstances, I was cheering you on.
This would've been 1000 times more entertaining if the goals were all on screen for the audience to follow along as they get solved. Without that we're just watching people fiddle aimlessly, along a pair of hosts struggling to keep the players AND the audience in the dark (seriously? why?!) and THEN you put the one person who's actually savvy about these systems and rules OFF EFFING CAMERA. Terrible execution of an awesome concept!
I love the consept, but the execution was really frustrating. - Hosts where not prepared. Did not seem to have a clear overview of the errors or the rules - Pre-testing was not done thorough enough (Anthony's SSD) - Scoring system was not any good - Rules not clear and lacked a lot of details - Viewers really should know of the different errors, at least most of them, and have a clear overview of current status and possible penalties and bonuses It was interesting to see the troubleshooting steps from Anthony and Linus, but a lot of the things around was really frustrating to watch. This would be a lot more involving and engaging for me if I knew all the errors they where expected to find, and see them being ticked of as they are solved. Imagine the hair-tairing moment we could have had when he reset the bios before he saw the raid config! I really wish you added a rule saying something about the computer should be acceptable for shipping to a customer to avoid all the shortcuts done that was clarely not OK for a permanent solution.
This dude really just wrote up bullet points and everything just so the LTT could not read or care about any of it. The team has always had a scuffed approach to there channel, that's why it's so entertaining. A bunch of tech geniuses can still be human? Crazy
yes I was bummed they didn't stay on and talk about the RAID issue with anthony, and for bonus, Linus should have gone over and helped Anthony finish the computer perfectly.
@@westingtyler1 The RAID issue is obvious, Anthony never bothered to look what's configured and resetted the bios straight away. More interesting would be the reason for his m.2 problems.
LMG, we LOVE this series. We DO want more. Please consider doing another one, but proper planning and clear goals are imperative. And if there is a head judge, they need to be mic'd up too!
And definitely if you're going to have something that is definitely more of a personal touch like "Invert Radiator fans" make it so the "customer" clearly orders that or something
110 percent agreed. The pcs have to be exactly the same and every component in the build has to be the control. Otherwise it's a waste of time. And Anthony is right the 512 and the 1tb ssd are different each component has a plus minus tolerance based on circuit components and the quality of the precious materials.
@@letitbe90210 The 512 and 1TB version of the same drive from the same company are not going to provide as vastly different numbers as they did. Linus added more cores to crystal and Anthony didnt, thats the entire reason why Anthony couldnt meet that parameter. Additionally anthony deleted the only true marker to discover the Raid config when he reset the cmos rather than looking into settings first then doing it.
This felt absolutely terrible, but Linus was the clear winner, given how much time he was wasting in Minecraft alone. The rules seemed poorly communicated and Chase (maker/ref) had no mic but had to be called upon constantly. They say he had more help, but everything seemed to fall on him. That doesn't really seem fair. It definitely didn't help Riley or Alex's commentary either. I don't know if I didn't like them as hosts in this specific instance or if they were set up for failure. They're both some of my favorite LMG regulars. This is the third installment in the series but I didn't feel like it met the expectations set by the first two. Of course, this is just my opinion. Live streams are hard, and I commend the crew for their hard work.
agree on riley and Alex, Like them, but this wasnt a very good showing for either of them. And for the challenge Chase should have either clarified the rules a LOT more, or be more quick and conclusive in steering the challenge on the fly. And the scoring sheet just sounded like a fiasco either way :P
People underestimate how good of a host and MC Linus really is. He has over a decade of experience at this point making content on the fly essentially. You could see that the way he was fixing the computer: it was all to the camera, and he kept talking and providing information even when muted. The man live streamed building several identical computers where his time was cut for each build and he was able to keep it interesting.
@@granatmof I think Riley was good as well, you could tell towards the beginning of the stream, he was trying to have him an Alex banter between each other, instead of just going back and forth between Linus, Anthony and Chase.
I really would like to watch the afterstream, where Linus basically goes nuts on everyone who was responsible for this. :D Love you guys, love everyone at LTT, but as Linus said, these challenges must be a nightmare to run and tonight/today that showed. Thank you for your hard work though, love you all, LMG! :)
NZXT Fucked up with their bios, chase fucked up with mic but I really wanna see the three hour meeting where they try to find out why anthony drive couldn't get the speeds
I don't know what went wrong this time. I think Linus hosting the last two times did help a lot because he can delegate sensibly and has the technical knowledge to know when to step in with hints. Linus even fixed the crystal disk run that Chase/Jake did wrong in preparation. It's no wonder Anthony got confused by those results. It was also confusing for Anthony to get the wrong GPU vertical bracket. Then on top of that I don't understand why the minecraft part was necessary, when Linus has never played that game himself. It's just unnecessary for tech support to be done with work for half an hour and be road blocked by a game you've never played
@@TheSchwarztrinker Anthony's drives weren't unusable, he just didn't know they're configured in raid. And yea, I found it kinda dumb that they didn't thought of just giving a hint to Linus regarding Minecraft ASAP when they clearly taught Anthony the things he missed (SSD swap, core allocation, etc)
@@supersuede91 Im curious if they will do a after show at some point, Explaining what went wrong and if/what did anthony fuck up with the ssd benchmark
@@Marcos87600 wrong. He followed the settings that is being given to him on the paper. He assumed the issue of not being able to reach the same number was not on him because he followed every setting (same core, thread, ssd) but his has 1TB instead of 512GB as shown in the paper. He also was not told that he can change those core allocation settings to be different from what is shown on the paper.
I love this series, and the long streams are great for background noise when working on something. But honestly an edited version would be incredible. Even if it was exclusive to Floatplane or something, the option to watch the "highlights" or something would be super nice.
Why is it that Jay vs Steve was incredibly well coordinated and planned out, down to even sending trophies. But this one that was 100% in-house was a train wreck by the end? Production aside... Chase set up these PCs a month ago, but looks like Riley and Alex didn't even really familiarize themselves with the rules and the conditions of the PC, or even check to make sure the score spreadsheet worked.
If they gave Chase a mic Riley and Alex wouldn't have needed to be that familiar with the rules. I like that they weren't actually, they could react the same way we the audience would.
Oof that ending was a trainwreck. You can tell Linus saw that it would've devolve into even worse if they let Anthony continue since he started losing his cool. But pretty frustrating to watch overall.
Yeah it was rough. I love Anthony but you could see why they felt like they needed to get him off camera. Letting him continue the build after Linus won wasn’t a good option.
Yep I think he just was goofing around the cheating part to give Anthony some time since he knew he was done. Anthony saying “there was a raid?…was gold”
I'd like to see a video where Linus goes through all of the BIOS settings that can improve performance, and what they do, as well as the Windows settings that can affect performance. All of the TH-cam channels act like XMP is all there is... But there is clearly a lot more.
that's actually more difficult than you would think. There are a lot of different motherboards and BIOSes for each. That's where you should do research and figure out what settings you should use on your own motherboard, cpu, gpu, RAM, and storage. One motherboard or even cpu could have features that another doesn't have. PCIE gen 4 for instance. XMP is just the easiest to change, which is why most youtube channels mostly talk about that to the part of the audience that doesn't want to go through the bios and figure out how to make their computer run the best considering it's just turning on the advertised speeds.
@@randomblock1_ how would it be easy to go through hundreds of motherboards that are on their shelf to go through all of the performance enhancements on all of them? Think about the motherboard you have, what is the chance that the motherboards in the 3 computers I have have the same options on them? I have a z77 system, a z170, and an x470 motherboard. Those 3 definitely have all different settings that can affect performance. Not to mention the bios revisions if people don't update their bios.
@@SpyderEric They have done waaaaay harder things than plugging in some motherboards and reading the manuals for the BIOS. They all have tons of options, which is exactly why we need a video covering it.
@@ciuboo Yes but it mounted that sata, he could even open a folder on it and rename it. That should be impossible in a real raid-0 since data should be striped between the two drives, now it instead looks like NTFS simply striped whole files between the two devices.
Imho, this is actually what could've happened in real life during tech support and they've demonstrate that perfectly. Poor Anthony, i hope he is alright after that.
@@hon3ythief Actually, Anthony's approach wasn't exactly right. If you're trying to fix something, you have to know exactly what you're trying to fix first. Cable management should have been the last thing he did. His focus should have been on fixing the obvious problems first, finding and fixing the "not so obvious" problems second, and cable management last..... Doesn't matter how good the cable management is, if you can't use the system.
I like how Linus' instinctive action is "I can't possibly do the obvious thing, I have to cheat and make way more work for myself" to the point that he insists he's not cheating WHILE ENABLING CHEATS lmao
I'm gonna steal one of the top comments and say that the only bad thing was Chase not having a mic. Otherwise very entertaining but probably very hard to prepare.
@@chompchompnomnom4256 Linus’s thing was fixed in minutes and was because he brute forced it rather than taking care. He may have been faster but I sure as hell would never want him trying to fix my computer.
Ive built my PCs for years now, and experience doesn't make you commit less mistakes, it kind of does, but with volume, mistakes add up. I know people are mad cause of all mistakes made, but *I have total respect for Linus team for trying to pull this off live.* Not an easy thing to run i can imagine. I support more streams like this, just, better preps next time. Loved it, it was fun!
They both took questionable approaches. Linus started with obvious stuff, but after resetting CMOS went for performance related settings before worrying about just getting the system stable. Anthony, started out by almost completely rebuilding the system. Anthony's approach would ultimately cause more harm than good, especially when resetting CMOS before verifying settings. Generally, it's better to check settings and correct wrong ones, than to start from scratch. Especially if you don't know how harddrives are configured.
@@aaronthomas6155 What I don't like about the approach of rebuild the system is not what the competition is about. In a real world situation you would start a system and diagnose the problems. Here you are given a computer with know problems and just start rebuilding it. No one would do that if without turning on the PC to see how the computer is operating.
I mean it was fine to watch for the most part. I literally watched the whole VOD so it was captivating, even if clearly stressful for the people involved. I usually skip through VODs to save time. I would like to see this done again to be honest, I know these things are a nightmare to run as Linus said, but when done properly, could be amazing. It felt a little rushed. Voting with my comment and like button. Great content as a whole!
@@BananJumper he ended it at the start of the stream as well before anyone got mad.... Like right at very the start he clearly states it's the finale so it was done either way.
Meanwhile, I have a computer I tried to build from a year and a half ago that I just gave up on. Just wouldn't get to POST. Wish I had the skill of these guys.
@@digitalconsciousness remove your cmos button battery for a couple minutes hold the power button for a bit and put it back in try turning it on with just 1 ram stick (try this a few times with 2 different ones) try different ram slots check cpu power cable and make sure it is inserted properly check the motherboard power cable and make sure it is inserted properly remove everything from USB ports try reinstalling the gpu (make sure nothing is blocking it from seating in all the way) does anything display on the screen? (monitor detects an input signal from the gpu) do any sounds happen? (a beep) does the fan speed up? (really fast or not at all) does it auto shut down? is anything bending your motherboard? (does it seem to be curved? maybe your cpu cooler is over tightened) just a large list of random stuff if you're ever bored and wanna try some stuff, it can be a nightmare sometimes but it makes it more rewarding when it finally does work it could also be a flaky motherboard if nothing else works also check if your motherboard has an hdmi out and check if your cpu supports integrated graphics i could be wrong on some things and this isn't meant to be an insult or anything i'm just guessing since idk where you're skill level is at
@@snowzZzZz I think I may have finally figured it out. I removed the CPU and observed it and the socket closely. One pin in the socket itself seems to have shipped to me already bent. 0% chance I did it myself, since I inserted the CPU with ZIF. Gigabyte quality strikes again. Between this, and their igniting PSU problems, I am done with this brand.
I found this episode super endearing. Perfect representation of IT work behind closed doors xD. It can become a complete clusterfuck out of no where. And I'm otherwise super impressed by seasonic's PSU. I sat around just waiting for that sucker to crash due to power limitations :p edit: Checking the comments, I'm amazed everyone cares about who win or lost or a poor rubric. It's literally just PC assembly. It's nothing special in of itself because the result really didn't matter. It's the interaction between the cast that gives value to this type of content. You guys are just normal humans like the rest of us. And, in my opinion, this channel was never built on perfection. Regardless of mistakes were made, this was a fun episode to watch. I do usually skip 'pc repair' faceoffs as I have enough of my own battles. But I was absolutely capacitated by it due the realness IT can be for things that just may not be obvious to normal consumers. Good job everyone :)
That PSU should have been completely fine as it wasn't running at its max wattage yet. The 3080 is rated for 350w and the benchmark only stressed the gpu and not the cpu. Once he played MC that's when his gpu and cpu started to both use power and that's when it shut down.
@@CaptainCrud116 he was literally dicking around in Minecraft because Anthony was so far behind. Because if he was actually in a tight race, he would have just walked and punched a tree. But they let him know Anthony was way way behind so he tried to save face by blowing time
@@Tsweeney12584 I mean he was pretty open about how he has no idea how to play minecraft lol. And of course he had to enable cheats...and still couldn't do it
This was great. But there really should have been a longer debrief. I was so curious about what goals they got and missed. I really wanted to know what went wrong and in what order with Anthony's build. And I wanted to know what their final times really were. Man I watched almost 3 hours of this, to be wrapped up in a couple minutes
There are a lot of moving pieces to these challenges and I don't know anything about Chase but feel like maybe he was thrown too far into the deep end on this one. Also, no offense to Alex, he really knows his stuff and could have helped produced and been a tech consultant/reporter going room to room with a microphone, but he has to work on his host persona and witty responses. When Riley made a clearly silly joke about Linus being an evil corporate leader, Alex awkwardly shut him down instead of playing it off and saying something like "of coarse my co-host is clearly joking" to the camera instead. If I was Riley (and I am (no really, this is Riley writing this (just kidding, I'm not really him (or am I?)))), that would have messed with my mojo. (Me again, I just looked in the mirror and I am definitely not Riley) Also, did Daddy James get the day off? He could have saved the day if he was there. No more time off for James!
I think Linus saying how hard it was to host shows what it is like when you don't properly set up and how much time Linus does to making the competition smooth and legit even though behind the scenes it's similar to what we just saw now.
@@stewiex I agree with the hosting part, I feel Chase was already under lots of pressure and they just keep on pressuring him live. They could've lighten the situation or did some segue or "host" the issues out to lighten the mood. I think the best hosts would've been Linus (as he hosted these before) and Luke (as he does a lot of live WAN show) and he and Linus have this non verbal connection though I'm not sure if it is going to work under LMG as Luke is technically a Floatplane guy.
@mikerzisu9508theres nothing wrong with sucking or pulling to be honest. My old case I had noctua industrial fans that put out so much airflow I had to use my rad as a exhaust because my single exhaust fan couldn't keep up. It depends entirely on the situation.
They need to have a pre recorded bit up front to ask questions of chase on the system they have, ie the back story of the system. Chase would give very poor answers but it would have clues on what might be wrong. Ex would be that this system has had a MB upgrade, installed raid at one point and recently tried to unsuccessfully fix what seemed to be a power spike. This would allow each opponent an idea of what needs to be looked at and put together a game plan. It seemed like the setup was just random.
This. Since people talk about having pc repair experience on this, I'd assume a customer complaint form and or discussion with the make believe customer would be part of it. Even throw in some red herrings and make sure it's understood its an unreliable narrator. Honestly though I'm not sure if they're even going to do more. They have to do a lot of diagnostic work in the background to set these up, and if Anthony's understanding on the drive test is correct there was something going on there. I hope there's a good breakdown on the WAN show this week.
That's not a bad idea. They could have other B Roll they could insert along the way too so Linus and Anthony could focus more instead of being asked what they were doing every couple of minutes. Also, why are the hosts controlling the cameras? Someone should have had OBS open on a laptop off to the side directing the camera shots and deciding when you do cuts to said B Roll. Heck, they could have also inserted a nicely produced Intel promo package somewhere in there and charged them more for it. Sorry for all the criticism LMG. No one should stress over it too much, it was truly entertaining even if the concept went all up in flames. You can't hit every video out of the park but you have a damn good batting average. I love all of your videos and definitely could not have done better.
Yep the…there was a raid? Was amazing would never happen in real life tho you always kinda know, and there was a very important part Anthony took the right approach with the vertical mount meanwhile Linus was like lets take it of because it’s not on the rules and also take the front panel to get better performance. LOL.
@@granatmof I've worked in a repair center and I can assure you the person dropping the computer off, 90% of the time, starts off with "I don't know anything about computers" and just says it crashed.
We need another one of these with Alex, Riley, and Dan as hosts with full control as they navigate, narrate, and give us metaphors about life. We’re overdue for this.
Yeah but it was LTT gold at it’s finest this video was like the one with Madison or the OG scrapwars unscripted pure personality the train wreck at the end….i wanted more.
@@over7532 Dude you just throwing Chase hate on every comment let it go, producing these things aren’t easy is not their regular format there’s bound to be mistakes and it didn’t took the enjoyment away which is the point in the end. Have a wonderful night bro.
We don't need any more of this lol. Poor communication doesn't change the face that Anthony didn't find the RAID 0 and was clearly behind. Linus struggling in minecraft was hilarious though.
@@Ligby The entire ruleset was basically non-existing. If you had just turned on the pc and completed the benchmarks, all the penalties would have amounted to less than it would have taken to fix everything. That's like basic logic, but somehow they didn't think of it... come on, they have all the resources in the world.
@@Ligby I agree with you, but I also think that was because Anthony had so much trouble trying to complete CrystalDiskMark up to the papers specifics, that he forgot/didn't notice it was in RAID 0
Pretty crazy how far ahead Linus was and how much he ended up winning by when he spent like 30 minutes learning how to hack Minecraft. Plus, Anthony not only corrupted a drive, he most likely wouldn't have made it past the SSD swap without the hints. He didn't even catch the afterburner restrictions... I'm not trying to throw shade at Anthony though. I think this just shows how fast Linus is at problem-solving and moving through things.
@@justin7143 Which problem he missed? Even at the end Alex admitted that Linus got it all. The only one they can legitimately docked points only the radiator fan orientation that Linus actually noticed and thinks it's not a problem and actually better in the "wrong" orientation and Alex agreed with it. And maybe not using the vertical mount for GPU, but I'd argue performance wise it's better to slot the card directly especially when Alex confirmed the riser is only PCIe 3.0. He noticed the PSU issue during the 3DMark but just ran it anyway and it completed the benchmark above the target score. And he switched out the PSU in the end anyway. And he knew the danger of not switching out the cables when he switched PSU but smartly make a research to make sure both pinouts are compatible so he don't need to do the tedious work. That is smart, not hack. Ironically the only hacking he did only making him spent half an hour more than he should with Minecraft.
Hey LTT, this was extremely interesting content, not only actual content part, bet all the things that went wrong. I would be very interested in seeing what lessons you learned as a team and content creators and experts in the tech field etc. That would be interesting not only to me who watched the stream, but that would definitely help us understand the complexity of your work, problem solving, aftermath and overall allow us to engage much more with you. And hey, free idea for the 8th video next week. :D
Like most things in life - it would be better if the goals were better defined before the task started - so define the task, the rules, the penalties for missing things (I'd say that each forfeit should be at least 10 minutes, so that it's playing on the contestants minds), perhaps telling the contestants how long you expect it to take them and applying a bit of strategic pressure to build dramatic tension. Letting the stream know what the challenges were, or perhaps how many there were and filling them in live when the contestants achieved them would be good as it would let the viewers quickly glance at the progress and determine who was winning without having to rely on the commentators.
"Oh wow, look, we have overhead cameras we've never used!" *1 minute later* "Oh Linus's camera cut out" *shrugs like there's nothing they can do about it*
It got a bit silly when they started changing rules near the end, oh we should increase the penalty for this and that 2 mins isn't enough, let's change it to 15 mins. And all the hints being given out kinda defeats the point.
I see your point but it's not as though the rule changes were for arbitrary reasons. They had live technical issues and if that affects the fairness between Linus and Anthony then I can understand wanting to adjust for that.
It just wasn't well thought out. The penalty should be equal to an agreed upon amount of time to complete a task. Saying everything missed is 2 minutes makes no sense if 1 issue is a sata drive not plugged in and another issue is swapping power supplies (disregarding being able to use the same cables). Those two tasks take different amounts of time and should be penalized accordingly, especially if time is the judge of who wins. I think the hosts confused the situation asking questions that basically told them what they missed, and this was before they even intentionally giving hints. Saying something subjective like fan orientation is an issue isn't right, docking points for not using the vertical mount when it's a gen3 instead of gen4, which if I was fixing that pc for better performance I'd remove the riser because of that... Not knocking Linus, Anthony, Riley, Alex or Chase on this, it's a lot of moving parts and is much easier to spot the issues on a recording than trying to think of it preemptively. Hopefully this is used as a learning experience and the next one is better. Like.. maybe include a shelf of a bunch of spare parts, not a tote that just happens to have exactly what you need. I doubt Anthony would've noticed the PSU issue as quickly had he not seen the replacement in his bin of parts. That's pretty much a dead giveaway that I atleast want to take a closer look at the PSU in the case.
I love how linus figured out that anthony was pretty far behind and screwed around with minecraft to try and let him catch up, what a freaking stand up guy
This was fun to see the two different methods. Anthony is methodical and decides to effectively just build it from the ground up as if it were a brand new PC and then hope it just boots correctly. Linus tries to boot right away, identify symptoms, and diagnose/fix as he goes. Both have their pros and cons.
You guys fumbled this so badly. What is the point of the rules and penalties if you can't even tally them because you botched the entire thing at the end. Not to mention half the "penalties" were for things that are up for interpretation and not necessarily wrong and you were making up stuff on the fly. And then at the end nothing was explained. Idk how yall were able to screwup that badly.
Calm down. This was a free live stream. They will definitely do this again. Many people are calling for a rematch. I'm just glad for the effort. Live streaming is NOT easy, and I'm willing to bet Linus and the whole team will be scrutinizing the live stream and read all the comments for feedback.
@@madezra64 Excuse me Mr. White Knight, I'm just keeping it real. My apologies if my comment bothered you. Obviously we all know how much goes into a live stream. Streamers do it everyday with great success except most don't have 50 employees like Linus does. So idk what the excuses are for. If they upload a disaster of a video I'm gunna comment on it being a disaster. Just like the majority of other comments.
@@PabzRoz The majority of other comments are actually giving some constructive criticism on top of complaining at least. Furthermore, there's been plenty of live stream fuck ups. Having 50 employees doesn't make you invulnerable to human error you dunce. You act like you paid to watch this or something.
That really went downhill. The penalty system was awful, 2 minutes per issue was silly when there were only half a dozen of them. Should have scored it like for each issue unresolved, have 10% of the competitors final time added to yours. Also, if the setups of the machines were actually different e.g. Anthony not having the correct 480gb drive to run the test, then what's the point. Silly things ruin the whole challenge and it all gets really frustrating very quickly.
For the time mistakes, they have a list of issues. Time each person involved with the build fixing the issue, average it and add an error bonus that's the penalty. The penalty time may still be less than the time it would take to identify and fix for some people, but Linus got super lucky he could quick swap the PSUs which in general should never be done.
@@OV3R-9K Lucky, yes, because the people building the machines didn't think about that aspect of it. That's not taking away from Linus' quick thinking, his checking it was very good on his part, but if the people building the cases had taken that into consideration or provided a PSU that used pinouts incompatible with the other, Linus would have had to switch out all the cables anyway like Anthony did. So Linus had both - he got lucky, and he pulled a move that was very smart.
Pretty sure anthony had teh same drives, the 480 wasnt showing. Either it was not correctly seated, of something else, but from what I understood they DID have the same thing (at 2:23:50)
I'm definitely the kind of person that, when faced with one thing being obviously wrong with a system, will then proceed to pull the entire thing apart and put it back together again properly. It's usually faster that way, too. Like Anthony, I'm also inclined to doubt whether or not a PSU is capable of powering a system if it's got a notoriously power-hungry component installed. Linus's ability to notice that the fan and RGB controllers weren't actually doing anything was pretty impressive, though. I wouldn't have been able to tell with the rat's nest of cables back there until I removed them and tried to figure out where everything was being powered from. Definitely a very good challenge level 7 or 8 out of ten system for them to figure out. Next time, though, you should throw some parts with Linus-induced faults at them. Dead CPUs and memory in dual-channel using the wrong slots, etc. With metrics so clearly posted, it would also be neat to have an NVMe configuration meant to be in RAID 0, but start it out on a PCIe gen 3 riser, but need it to be on the onboard PCIe gen 4 slots instead. With how clever companies are getting at hiding the M.2 slots, it would be fun to watch them struggle with it for a while. Having the front panel controls be plugged onto the wrong pins could also be entertaining and very realistic, since it happens all the time. It would also be entertaining to have the BIOS tuning screwed up so badly that it crashes and requires them to reset the BIOS overclocking back to defaults and redo them. Doing this with memory clocks would be the safest for the hardware. Another fun option is to change the default video output device to onboard if you're using a CPU that has onboard video. That way even if they get it to a functional state, they get no output from the GPU. You can also test how thorough they're being in their analysis by leaving the protective film on the CPU heatsink, assuming the film extends past the edge of the heatsink. And if you want to be especially cruel, you can put a GPU power cable on the EPS connector on the PSU, assuming it's like Corsair's stuff and shares the same connector, but uses a different pinout. Leave it disconnected in the case but nearby the connector and see if they notice or if they just brute force it into the motherboard connector. Probably stop them before powering it on if they go that route so you don't kill an innocent CPU and MB. Another option is to give them a MB with two 8-pin EPS connectors but fit it with an 8-pin and a 4-pin cable and see if they notice. Most board will actually work if underpowered, but will throttle performance. If you really want to screw with them, find a MB that supports slot disablement and disable the slot that the GPU is installed in. Make sure this is on a board with multiple PCIe slots so they can move it to one that hasn't been disabled. Alternately, do this on a board with a CPU that has internal graphics and also has a CMOS/BIOS reset button so they can swap over to the default internal graphics until they get that sorted out. I've been into tech for too long if I can think of so many common problems to use to screw people over in these kinds of competitions.
I think Anthony might have missed the raid because he did not check everything in the BIOS like Linus did. Because he was told that reset would be just fine.
@@Shalmonify wrong, he was told that he could remove the cmos battery, which he did not do. He reset the bios to default in the settings and was always allowed to do that.
Considering that both Linus and Anthony speak even when they are "off", you should upload their individual repair vids, as well. They might be useful and a bit easier to follow, as well.
Yeah overall I think this doesnt work well as a live format. Something editted with post commentary seems better. Obviously that is a lot more work though.
I wanted to see the breakdown of the mistakes and the bickering of why not or why they were right. The after event is just as entertaining . It's also educational. please do this with the after event and interviews. There is much to be learnt
Frustrating to watch for all the reasons people have mentioned. Any competition like this needs the rules and general checklist of the problems laid out beforehand so the audience can follow along as problems are solved, not be filled in after the fact with vague descriptions of what is and isn't listed. Also, if you're going to have a PSU swap as one of the items, it should be tested if the 550w PSU will still work at full or greater load to determine if it's even a roadblock in the first place. Just seems like a lot of the things set up to be challenges weren't actual problems, and the penalties for missing things were way too small when just brute forcing it past those problems is possible. Like, use the fans as an example. If it could reasonably take a person 2-3 minutes to swap those around, then the penalty for missing something like that should be double or triple the amount of time needed to perform the fix, so it's an actual PENALTY if you missed it. The way this was designed, it is more advantageous just to brute force your way through the process and anything you missed won't matter because you saved more time not addressing those issues than you would have spent actually fixing them. It seemed that you were penalized for actually fixing some things that could have been ignored, considering some of those issues won't impact the benchmarks enough to make a difference (but would still be unacceptable to send out a customer's computer without addressing those problems). Finally, I know the hosts were doing their best, but I think the comments about spaghetti in the back may have made Anthony obsess way too much over cable management (which was not a factor in scoring) and it was very wrong to remind Linus about the side panels. The hosts should have let Linus run all the bench marks and think he was finished, maybe even considering his benchmarks invalid if he failed to run them with the side panels on. At the very least, him having to go back and run all the benchmarks again with side panels on would have been a time penalty, but they told him about as he was running cinebench, which I think was totally unfair. Doesn't really matter becauase Anthony missed the drives in Raid 0 config, but others have pointed out, that could be because he was told it's okay to reset the BIOS which may have led him to jump ahead in the process when he otherwise might have had a more thorough look at the BIOS before the question of resetting it would have been appropriate to bring up. I don't know, still entertaining to watch despite the frustration, but there needs to be a lot more standardized process for doing these if it's really going to have the air of a fair competition. As it stands now, just something fun to watch, but the lack of knowing what is wrong beforehand and some of the wonky tasks/penalties were clearly a problem.
While other points are valid, and challenge is designed poorly in a lot of places, as a former tech support I can say that you never ever reset/delete any configurations/information unless you are pretty sure what is happening and that it can't be saved/restored. I wanted Anthony to win, because I like his approach better, but it seems like he become over-focused at some point and begin missing details.
It did feel fixed and even scared to put Linus right about the front and top panel , also thing that it was picked knowing Anthony would be slower and if Linus was willing to CHEAT in minecraft he was like he knew where Anthony was and wanted to show off.
There was no rule saying they had to turn in all 3 benchmarks at the same time so both of the contestants were doing each benchmark one at a time and turning in the results for judgement immediately. Of course they had to tell Linus that the test didn't count because the panels were off. Making either of them go through all 3 tests again would simply be a time waster on a challenge that went way over the allotted time anyways. The front panel is literally just a result of the disorganized mess of rules, it wasn't on the rules given to the contestants but it was on a slideshow of the rules. All it needed to say was 'all panels must be install during benchmarks' but for some reason it was talking about glass panels. It really looks like someone just prepped the rigs a month in advance and then threw everything else together at the last minute. As for the BIOS, messing with the BIOS in addition with everything else they broke was just too much to begin with. The idea of needing to clear CMOS should never have even been an issue, the contestants should not have had to do anything more complicated than some common tweaks to reach the target benchmarks after fixing all the hardware issues and drivers / windows settings issues. This is especially true because of the RAID setup
i think it was really good stream because basically it was not scripted and totally original to the core, it was fun to watch, this is basically the first stream that i watched fully from start to end for almost 3 hours *-* it was educational of how many problems we can ran into ourselves when we build a PC or change bios settings and 1 more thing is that even the best people in tech can get frustrated with trouble shotting and possible to not find the answer that they looking for.
Anthony seemed to have cause all of his own problems from what I saw, and even giving him 10+ hints where Linus was really given none, still wasn't enough to beat Linus lmao
I know we all wanted Anthony to win in our heart of hearts. But, sorry, Linus just plain out-classed him here. It might have looked like Linus was rushing, but he nailed the troubleshooting and correctly didn't waste time on anything that wasn't strictly necessary. The only thing he genuinely missed was the power supply - although, it almost worked without switching it - and then he fixed that (and, again, did it the fast and smart way - checking for pin compatibility and then only plugging it into the new PSU, not re-running all the cables again). Linus has the experience with fast PC building on camera and it shows here. I know, I know. Linus was "the hare" and Anthony was the slow and steady "tortoise", so we all morally feel that the tortoise should win, as that's how the story goes. But that's a story and this is reality. The hare would, in reality, actually win that race comfortably, if he just doesn't get complacent enough to fall asleep under a tree. In fact, Linus was very classy indeed, in that all that pissing about with Minecraft was clearly stalling to give Anthony a fair shake, when he realised how far ahead he was. He just won. As simple as. Credit where credit is due.
You could absolutely do it the less smart way by brute-forcing it through just rebuilding the whole PC from scratch; I suspect it would still be the fastest overall (remember that Linus still played with the cables a bit). But spending 40+ minutes on cable management was truly unwise.
I do agree that Anthony spent an excessive amount of time before even getting to the point where he powered on the system, and that was the major problem on his part. The strategy used by Linus of just fixing what needed fixing in terms of the hardware clearly payed off. When it comes to the time spent benchmarking, I do feel like Anthony got a bit screwed over though, particularly regarding the Crystaldiskmark test. Linus didn't particularly pay attention here, he first failed the Crystaldiskmark test, then ran the Crystaldiskmark test with the wrong settings, claimed success and moved on. Anthony stuck to the settings shown in the rules, didn't reach the stated numbers and when he raised his concerns over this (in combination with how the rules clearly showed results with some different SSD model) he was encouraged to keep trying to figure it out, wasting a bunch of time before they changed their minds and said he should just skip that test (which Linus had effectively already skipped by way of not paying attention to what he was supposed to do). It would have made things interesting if Anthony had actually found a way to reach the stated Crystaldiskmark numbers, then he could have actually "tortoised" Linus by completing 4/4 goals compared to how Linus more quickly completed 3/4 and called it a day.
I listened to that whole thing, and I didn't hear a list of all the issues. How am I supposed to learn? Regardless, I really enjoyed the unscripted content from you guys.
We need a rematch, this was fun to watch but pretty poorly executed as a contest. It's still unclear if Anthony just missed more issues or if there was an issue with his system out of his control. RUN IT AGAIN!
I'd say Linus wasted more time trying to hack Minecraft than Anthony trying to get correct SSDs scores - so it's kind of irrelevant to the outcome. Anthony wasted too much time going over all the parts
His gen 4 ssd wasn't in the gen4 slot which caused the slower speeds. The issues with the curropted drive is because they were in raid 0, and he unplugged one of them. All of the faults were technically on him. But overall this stream was very poorly executed.
I think Anthony's being (too) methodical and (somewhat) unfamiliar with Windows borked this for him. Also, once he knew for a fact Linus was ahead, I spotted stress happening, causing further delays. :/
Agreed, one of the things I've learned is that Anthony is a detail oriented guy who takes his time, Linus is the no manual guy, burn first, get it right later 😂 Well me, I'm a Linux guy, last time I tried setting up a windows machine ready for gaming, took me, good lord, AGES. Hahahahaahaha Cause you know, windows.............
I realized as soon as I saw the shaders that MC was going to be what would trip the power supply. It's not as bad as it used to be, but it's still pretty unoptimized and runs on frickin' Java. And it's not like a conventional stress test, where the loads are pretty constant and stable. That little Seasonic had no chance. It's very brave and deserves a Scooby Snack. I cannot _imagine_ how hard this must have been to set up and run. What a logistical nightmare. Interesting as it is, I don't blame you guys at all for not wanting to do any more.
Linus had no idea Anthony needed more time. Linus assumed Anthony finished first. Nah Linus just wasn't taking it seriously because he just wanted to have a bit of fun with it.
@@ragefacememeaholic5366 He was trying to get Anthony to at least complete before him, that's why he was surprised when he still hadn't finished despite the fact he was, "Dicking around for half an hour in Minecraft".
I am constantly amazed at how quick Riley is with coming up with sarcastic quips and other jokes. Someone will say something and Riley instantly has a clever bit to say about it. It's genuinely impressive.
This was an amazing video - hilarious, nail biting, and a solid dose of WTF. A solid departure from the regular LTT content. I was only intending on watching a few minutes to see what it was about, as I very rarely watch anything close to this long, but I just couldn't stop watching. I hope the viewer numbers and engagement reflect that, and we do in fact get more like this despite Linus's closing remarks!
It seemed like one of the most 'realistic' things on youtube. I can't for the life of me understand how seriously some people are appearing to take the specifics of the rules and 'cheating' and things like that, when that surely isn't the point overall. The 'competition' is more of a window dressing to watch these guys do what they do and listen to them talk about it, live, in real time. I personally found it fascinating.
I love proper cable management as much as the next guy but Anthony is wasting an awful lot of time playing with RGB cables considering he hasn’t even posted the computer yet. This must be how they trained him at Best Buy. Get as many billable hours as you possibly can.
What do you even mean "posted" the computer? This is a clear example of someone that heard a random word said and tries to repeat it to sound smart. POST is the correct term. One does not simply "posted" a computer. Also, this video is over a year old, and you're commenting on it? You good bro? lmfao
@@kepler656 posting a computer just means turning it on and allowing it to run through its own checks. I realize that “post” is an acronym but it’s been used as a verb for decades. “The computer isn’t posting”, or “my pc posts but won’t boot” are verb forms of an acronym. The fact that me saying “he hasn’t posted the computer yet” rather than “he hasn’t gotten the computer to post yet”sent you into rant mode is pretty sad. Also, TH-cam videos and their comments sections are meant to stay online indefinitely. Are people not supposed to comment on videos after they’ve been up for a year? Should comment sections be locked after a week? You tell me, smart guy. I wasn’t trying to communicate with Anthony himself. I was just commenting on the video I was watching. Find a hobby or something.
Corrupting a drive by messing up RAID is a nasty experience. I recall managing to set up two machines to point to same physical storage. It was surprising how subtle the failures were; creating a file and having it mysterious vanish was more common than crashes.
Not even gonna lie - the greatest video I've ever watched. I found the commentary amusing, Linus' 30 minute minecraft adventure soul destroying and Anthony's cable management hilarious.
The only grievance I have with this challenge is that having the ability to simply replace everything even if the part is without fault. In troubleshooting you can’t just rebuild a customer’s PC with your own parts.
Some feedback:
- list us the errors and bonuses so we can keep track of whats happening
- more clear ruling and results, and also make sure the final score is annonced in the end, it was bit odd now.
- hosts should have better idea and prep for the beginning, middle and finale parts of the show
- have more mics, its annoying to have people talking off screen and not hear it
- maybe a checklist or like % counter showing the players progress
Yeah, ideally they'd have one extra guy with each contestant watching what they're doing all the time and checking what they finished in real time.
They won’t make more of this. It’s to much work. Chase will go back and make plans for IRL events again.
@Samurai Shampoo riley and alex are sitting a meter apart lmao
These are all good points however this is not a chess grand tournament, it's just a bunch of guys screwing around on camera in the loose format of a competition. I wouldn't take it too seriously.
I believe this is an interesting segment of a show, could become a trend, it takes work and more people involved, but it's definitely something I would watch on a weekly or monthly basis. All sorts of PC building challenges with clear goals.
- benchmarking
- most crazy builds
- most beautiful builds
....
I say it worth the investment Linus, it's q whole niche and trend you can dominate on TH-cam.
I love how right off the bat, Anthony has the computer ready for repair, Linus has instinctively angled the computer to the camera for filming priority.
i love how they cut away from linus and then back and he had never stopped talking.
he's like instinctively making a tutorial instead of just doing the work.
Power corrupts
I think it was because the first panel Linus took off was where the cables are managed whereas Anthony took off the glass panel first. They both had the panels they intended to take off first facing toward their bodies.
I was rooting for Anthony either way.
@@tsmith906 "i hef readed 1984"
Jayz 2 cents doesn't need thermal paste
Linus doesn't need a strong power supply
Together they'll make a PC running on 2 AA batteries with a 12900K CPU and 3090 GPU installed and neither has a cooler.
But…can it run Minecraft?
@@agc2801 but can it run notepad?
@Kevnev Katfute But, can it run?
@@anikroyale yes. yes it can 😉
@@anikroyale considering amount of heat that it will produce it will prolly fly
5:38 I love this. Linus forgets that there are three other people to talk and starts narrating his process. The hosts mute him... and he's still talking!
It's cute ngl. Haha, he's so used to being the host 😂
Linus can't work on computers without narrating lmao
@@inund8 i imagine linus just narrating to the air when repairing his home servers and his wife creeping the hell out
@Andres Cruz he'd be narrating to his kids and she walks in 😂
lmao rekt
It's nice that they both have timers on their screen. If one of them accelerates to near the speed of light in order to harness time dilation, we'll be able to tell.
Time dialation would not work in their favor. Time travels more slowly for people traveling near the speed of light so if they took 2.5 hours to finish and they spent the whole time at speed of light (relative to the rest of LTT) they would come back to learn 35 hours had passed and the competition was long over. If they took the timer with them it would still read 2.5 hours when they returned and nothing about the result would have changed (except someone came back with a timer that said 2.5 hours has passed 35 hours after they hit start).
@@luispadilla1552 :|
@@luispadilla1552 ok
@@luispadilla1552 Oops. Stupid history degree.
@@luispadilla1552 so you are the guy that people are talking about.
This really needed an on-screen scorecard of sorts. Show the audience the expected issues and put check marks next to Linus' and Anthony's name as they found / resolved them. Otherwise there is no context as to what they are actually working on and if they are wasting their time.
The Jay vs Steve competition had this. Idk why this one didn’t.
What would it have mattered since the spreadsheet Chad made was borked and not scoring correctly anyway?
1:16:26 they address that at this time stamp
We don't need a scorecard. Linus clearly won the channel; He has some serious PC building skills. Everyone roots for Anthony but it was not his day. A scorecard would have not fixed it.
@@Gmdudospl i don't think we care about the score card helping Anthony's score or not, we want to know what issues there are and if the competitors are wasting time fiddling with something that isn't an issue, or if they are stuck on an issue but not figuring out what is wrong, it helps the audience follow the competition. but like Linus stated at the start compared to some of the other tech support challenges the computers look fairly good surface level, and we as the audience can see even less than they can. It would just be nice to have some guide to follow along with Linus and Anthony's thought process.
Linus swapping the PSU without swapping the cables was pretty clutch. Linus spending half an hour trying to hack Minecraft, however, was very much not clutch at all.
Yeah the Minecraft nonsense at the end was just Linus stalling for time trying to make things more interesting. I'm sure he was only expecting to have to do it for a little bit but with how far behind Anthony was (which Linus didn't know when he started stalling) the stalling quickly got to the point of ridiculousness but by that point he was committed.
I seriously doubt Linus cares about winning, he cares about having an interesting competition to draw an audience.
@@MultiIhatethis honestly, given that he didnt know that he had to hold down the button to mine the block, i really think that wasnt on purpose. he never played minecraft and didnt now know how tiny desert biomes are ingame and thought he would have to walk for 20 min and could save time if he cheated.
and he could have especially given that the world wasnt even actually cheat locked
To me it looked like he did that on purpose so that Anthony could catch up and complete his challenges as well and the video would have a better ending than this.
@@stefen0074 More importantly he didn't know that there's a pretty limiting draw distance setting by default. If he knew to jack that up, he may as well seen a tree out there from the get-go. Without knowing, he's thinking he's no where near a forest.
I'm gonna pull what you call a pro gamer move [20 minutes later] I'm gonna do what you call a not pro gamer move
This is great to watch, I find it interesting the way Anthony and Linus approach things so differently. Anthony is more of a slow critical thinker while Linus is more of a speed brute force type problem solver. The way their minds work together in a team makes for some absolutely god-tier content and one of the reasons this channel is so good.
@Merovingian1882 I'm sure Anthony is self aware of his weight, there are many people that have downfalls with addiction, being overweight is hard because the addiction is visible to others. A toxic attitude is no way to help someone though.
@@nathanschild2388 I totally agree with you what a POS attitude. Also I would like some studies that show correlation between being overweight/obese and lower IQ or being slower or whatever you were claiming Anthony is struggling with.
@Merovingian1882 Could you provide this data?
There's no way to assume Anothny may be a slow thinker or that Linus dont thinks critical. But I get what you wanted to express I guess and im with you.
I actually disagree. Linus actually went with the troubleshooting approach - checked what was grossly wrong and then went to diagnostics. Anthony went with beating the challenge approach where he thought there is always a ton wrong with these challanges so probs imah save time and be thorough with just redoing the entire seating and stuff. Pretty sure he could go with troubleshooting mode as well. As for people making fun of his weight, it isnt nice. pretty sure he knows that and for all people know he might just have a hormonal disorder completely not under his control. It is as rude to make fun of him as it would be making fun of Linus' ADHD. Can people focus on the content for a couple of hours and their abilities and not judge others by their appearance all the time?
I love Anthony and he is definitely god-tier but Linus absolutely destroyed him here. Not noticing that the SATA SSDs were in a RAID array is a BIG deal. Imagine working on a customers computer and losing all of their data because you didn't check if they were using RAID. Linus picked up on that right away. Checking the PSU cable pin-out to avoid having to swap them out was pretty brilliant as well, ideally you would still change the cables but this being a competition where time matters, it was a pretty slick move.
All in all, this was SO scuffed but still really entertaining and that's all that really matters. People getting mad because it was scuffed need to chill, this isn't all that important. It's actually not important at all.
I agree that he should have noticed the Raid 0 config in the bios, even with everything I'm going to say. However, I think that telling him in advance he could reset the bios may have messed with his thought process.. Linus walked through everything in the Bios first and then asked if he could reset the bios but they told Anthony before he even booted that he could reset the BIOS. So since he knew this ahead of time he kept that in mind and he reset it before he may have thought to if he wasn't told that. Especially since in past challenges that was against the rules. But yeah it was fun and Linus did really well for sure.
I found it odd that the single drive out of the raid0 showed a folder to rename
spoiler
@@oliverlane3705 who the F reads comments before watching the video ?
@@KurosuKirie "act like linux slob" at time yes it seem like that but Anthony use all three os. He appreciate tech it more like. He prefer Linux due to the idea behind compare to the idea behind windows which is to make money for Microsoft and not make a better user interface for consumer
As much as I was hoping Anthony would win, he spent forever on cable management with the PSU swap out that Linus did in under a minute as there was no need to rewire everything. That combined with not realizing the drives were in a raid 0 and not having both connected just did him in. Linus deserved the win, which he proved with the minecraft nonsense at the end.
I think Anthony missed it because he reset the bios without noticing whereas Linus identified it and also didn't reset
Exactly this
@@Sherlowa Linus did reset the bios which was screwed up the communication with the graphics card, but he did identify and it was in RAID 0 first
He got caught up too much in the hardware minutia not realizing that there were software things as well I guess.
too be fair a raid is about the last thing id expect from someone requiring tech support. It makes about as much sense as the rules that changed every 5 minutes.
Man, you can really see what a consummate professional Linus is as a presenter, and tech professional in general. You can tell he’s been doing this for a LONG time, and it’s just second nature to make what he’s doing available to an audience
You can also tell he put a hell of a lot of filler in at the end to help Antony, "the minecraft crao". Would have helped the stream a little if he had just ended it faster.
Its interesting seeing the difference between Linus's combined skills and Anthony's separate skills a tech professional and presenter (I really enjoy his videos and think he's a great presenter, but they're not, of course, under time pressure or too heavily repair based, but he has obviously also got a lot of years of experience in building/repair too from his earlier career).
linus can do what very few people can do which is talk and keep things interesting and still work and think through complex problems. This is soo hard to do in practice but he does it effortlessly. It also highlights that even though he’s at the top of the food chain at LMG, he still knows his stuff cold.
I agree
Ya'll need to figure out the logistics of this series and keep it going. I get bored and stop watching any other PC builds, but I just binged these 3 episodes and now looking for more. These were some of the most entertaining videos I've seen on this platform in a very long time. Linus really has something great here that meshes perfectly with the ecosystem he's already created and it would be a huge mistake to abandon this series instead of investing the time and effort to perfect the formula
Even though we can call this a win for Linus regardless, I still would've liked the scorecard breakdown at the end, especially since it wasn't on-screen like in previous videos. Would like to see more of these challenges!
Except the scorecard was completely broken apparently. And considering it was way over time and people were getting rather annoyed / pissed off they needed to end it there.
If Linus hadn't wasted over a half hour trying to cheat at Minecraft there might have been a better ending, but not by that point.
@@88porpoise This is what I thought. The train was clearly going off the rails and needed to be stopped. I'm guessing Chase got an earful once the feed was cut.
@@autiebleSam He called it because Anthony just screwed up with RAID
This was a bit frustrating to watch (still entertaining), it just felt like there was not enough prep with the hosts knowing the proper rules and goals as there was a lot of second guessing about them and even rules changing on the fly. But well done to those involved, pulling this off live would be very difficult, and to Anthony, don't be too harsh on yourself you did well under the circumstances, I was cheering you on.
I agree. Chase seemed especially punchable.
This was pathetic!
I swear these guys literally came up with this the night before and woke up hung over like, "Les do dis team!"
Since chase was in charge and completely fudged up the scoring system I’d blame it on him
This would've been 1000 times more entertaining if the goals were all on screen for the audience to follow along as they get solved. Without that we're just watching people fiddle aimlessly, along a pair of hosts struggling to keep the players AND the audience in the dark (seriously? why?!) and THEN you put the one person who's actually savvy about these systems and rules OFF EFFING CAMERA.
Terrible execution of an awesome concept!
I love the consept, but the execution was really frustrating.
- Hosts where not prepared. Did not seem to have a clear overview of the errors or the rules
- Pre-testing was not done thorough enough (Anthony's SSD)
- Scoring system was not any good
- Rules not clear and lacked a lot of details
- Viewers really should know of the different errors, at least most of them, and have a clear overview of current status and possible penalties and bonuses
It was interesting to see the troubleshooting steps from Anthony and Linus, but a lot of the things around was really frustrating to watch.
This would be a lot more involving and engaging for me if I knew all the errors they where expected to find, and see them being ticked of as they are solved. Imagine the hair-tairing moment we could have had when he reset the bios before he saw the raid config!
I really wish you added a rule saying something about the computer should be acceptable for shipping to a customer to avoid all the shortcuts done that was clarely not OK for a permanent solution.
You could even just have visual placeholders for errors until they were discovered by a contestant.
Its youtube. Doesnt need to be perfect. Thats what i like about it
@@LyroLife there's an awful lot of space between perfect and this video
100% agree
This dude really just wrote up bullet points and everything just so the LTT could not read or care about any of it. The team has always had a scuffed approach to there channel, that's why it's so entertaining. A bunch of tech geniuses can still be human? Crazy
You should have an aftershow roundtable, discussing everything that went wrong...I would totally watch that.
yes I was bummed they didn't stay on and talk about the RAID issue with anthony, and for bonus, Linus should have gone over and helped Anthony finish the computer perfectly.
@@westingtyler1 The RAID issue is obvious, Anthony never bothered to look what's configured and resetted the bios straight away.
More interesting would be the reason for his m.2 problems.
@@EngineScypex Anthony may not have even reset the bios so quickly, if the two hosts did not put the idea in his head.
@@russl7085 Well, just because they told him he can doesn't mean that it's okay to reset the bios without looking what is configured.
They post a 3 hour video and you suggest they record another video after it...
Even though this was a terrible competition, it was extremely entertaining to watch. Thanks team!
So much gold in this.
That power move by Riley muting Linus!
Yep! I hope Linus was joking at the end, and this isn't actually the end of this series
I love just watching banter between them. I wish there was more casual content like this!
Well I loved it…would love to see the aftermath.
550PSU/3080! Benchmarks…no problem, 100% gpu…no problem, 3Dmark 4K…no problem but minecraft…NOPE LOL! So…but can it run minecraft.
LMG, we LOVE this series. We DO want more. Please consider doing another one, but proper planning and clear goals are imperative. And if there is a head judge, they need to be mic'd up too!
And definitely if you're going to have something that is definitely more of a personal touch like "Invert Radiator fans" make it so the "customer" clearly orders that or something
110 percent agreed. The pcs have to be exactly the same and every component in the build has to be the control. Otherwise it's a waste of time. And Anthony is right the 512 and the 1tb ssd are different each component has a plus minus tolerance based on circuit components and the quality of the precious materials.
@@letitbe90210 The 512 and 1TB version of the same drive from the same company are not going to provide as vastly different numbers as they did. Linus added more cores to crystal and Anthony didnt, thats the entire reason why Anthony couldnt meet that parameter. Additionally anthony deleted the only true marker to discover the Raid config when he reset the cmos rather than looking into settings first then doing it.
This 100%
I would love to see two apple users do this challenge. Like Snazzy Labs vs Luke Miami.
This felt absolutely terrible, but Linus was the clear winner, given how much time he was wasting in Minecraft alone. The rules seemed poorly communicated and Chase (maker/ref) had no mic but had to be called upon constantly. They say he had more help, but everything seemed to fall on him. That doesn't really seem fair. It definitely didn't help Riley or Alex's commentary either. I don't know if I didn't like them as hosts in this specific instance or if they were set up for failure. They're both some of my favorite LMG regulars. This is the third installment in the series but I didn't feel like it met the expectations set by the first two.
Of course, this is just my opinion. Live streams are hard, and I commend the crew for their hard work.
agree on riley and Alex, Like them, but this wasnt a very good showing for either of them. And for the challenge Chase should have either clarified the rules a LOT more, or be more quick and conclusive in steering the challenge on the fly. And the scoring sheet just sounded like a fiasco either way :P
People underestimate how good of a host and MC Linus really is. He has over a decade of experience at this point making content on the fly essentially. You could see that the way he was fixing the computer: it was all to the camera, and he kept talking and providing information even when muted. The man live streamed building several identical computers where his time was cut for each build and he was able to keep it interesting.
Yep they are all good people and getting better everyday but definitely Linus has developed amazing skills.
@@granatmof I think Riley was good as well, you could tell towards the beginning of the stream, he was trying to have him an Alex banter between each other, instead of just going back and forth between Linus, Anthony and Chase.
@@granatmof yeah, this vids made me realize how amazing linus skill is as a host. Riley is okay, and alex is kinda bad.
Well practice made perfect,.
I love how Linus really embraced the antagonist role, I was really rooting for Anthony. I would like to see more of these in teh future. GG
I really would like to watch the afterstream, where Linus basically goes nuts on everyone who was responsible for this. :D Love you guys, love everyone at LTT, but as Linus said, these challenges must be a nightmare to run and tonight/today that showed. Thank you for your hard work though, love you all, LMG! :)
NZXT Fucked up with their bios, chase fucked up with mic but I really wanna see the three hour meeting where they try to find out why anthony drive couldn't get the speeds
I don't know what went wrong this time. I think Linus hosting the last two times did help a lot because he can delegate sensibly and has the technical knowledge to know when to step in with hints.
Linus even fixed the crystal disk run that Chase/Jake did wrong in preparation. It's no wonder Anthony got confused by those results. It was also confusing for Anthony to get the wrong GPU vertical bracket.
Then on top of that I don't understand why the minecraft part was necessary, when Linus has never played that game himself. It's just unnecessary for tech support to be done with work for half an hour and be road blocked by a game you've never played
It was a simple explanation that Anthony missed, Raid 0.
@@TheSchwarztrinker Anthony's drives weren't unusable, he just didn't know they're configured in raid. And yea, I found it kinda dumb that they didn't thought of just giving a hint to Linus regarding Minecraft ASAP when they clearly taught Anthony the things he missed (SSD swap, core allocation, etc)
@@erendegeneres4182 Linus wasa just fooling around, he knew he just had to walk, but wanted to cheat.
This was such a naturally complete disaster, ending on the question on how to end. Perfection *chefs kiss*
Yup this was the greatest video I've ever watched. You can't script comedy like this - pure organic.
@@supersuede91 Im curious if they will do a after show at some point, Explaining what went wrong and if/what did anthony fuck up with the ssd benchmark
@@ronniepriveprofiel3876 Anthony didn't allow crystal disk mark to use enough cores. That was the issue.
I love a good comedy drama and this was pure gold you can’t script the…“There was a raid?”
@@Marcos87600 wrong. He followed the settings that is being given to him on the paper. He assumed the issue of not being able to reach the same number was not on him because he followed every setting (same core, thread, ssd) but his has 1TB instead of 512GB as shown in the paper. He also was not told that he can change those core allocation settings to be different from what is shown on the paper.
Linus:
> These things are a nightmare to run...
Yeah, pretty much summed it up.
I love this series, and the long streams are great for background noise when working on something. But honestly an edited version would be incredible. Even if it was exclusive to Floatplane or something, the option to watch the "highlights" or something would be super nice.
Why is it that Jay vs Steve was incredibly well coordinated and planned out, down to even sending trophies. But this one that was 100% in-house was a train wreck by the end?
Production aside... Chase set up these PCs a month ago, but looks like Riley and Alex didn't even really familiarize themselves with the rules and the conditions of the PC, or even check to make sure the score spreadsheet worked.
Yeah this was a bad one.
Steve and Jay are over 30.
If they gave Chase a mic Riley and Alex wouldn't have needed to be that familiar with the rules. I like that they weren't actually, they could react the same way we the audience would.
A slow-moving, highly entertaining trainwreck. Hard to watch at times. Pure art. I loved every minute of it. 🏆 to all involved
I love the end "who knows how to turn it off"
Pretty much summed up the whole stream right there.
We need more of these! Steve vs Anthony? Linus vs Jay? Either way, thoroughly enjoyable
there's a steve from gn vs jayz two cents one, really good vid
@@frag894there’s a Steve vs jay oc stream with Vince babysitting them. Great stuff.
Yes i'd love to see linus go against steve and jay that would be epic
Oof that ending was a trainwreck. You can tell Linus saw that it would've devolve into even worse if they let Anthony continue since he started losing his cool. But pretty frustrating to watch overall.
Yeah it was rough. I love Anthony but you could see why they felt like they needed to get him off camera. Letting him continue the build after Linus won wasn’t a good option.
@@brett5799 yeah, props for them for not shoving it off of Anthony's face as he's genuinely angry already coz he thought that he has 'corrupted' SSDs
I actually enjoyed this more than the previous ones, especially the "dead GPU" bit.
Yep I think he just was goofing around the cheating part to give Anthony some time since he knew he was done. Anthony saying “there was a raid?…was gold”
@@erendegeneres4182 unfortunately he did corrupt the ssds I believe as he made changes to them.
Anthony: There's a RAID?
I spilled my coffee. I've had so many moments like that.
I'd like to see a video where Linus goes through all of the BIOS settings that can improve performance, and what they do, as well as the Windows settings that can affect performance. All of the TH-cam channels act like XMP is all there is... But there is clearly a lot more.
that's actually more difficult than you would think. There are a lot of different motherboards and BIOSes for each. That's where you should do research and figure out what settings you should use on your own motherboard, cpu, gpu, RAM, and storage. One motherboard or even cpu could have features that another doesn't have. PCIE gen 4 for instance. XMP is just the easiest to change, which is why most youtube channels mostly talk about that to the part of the audience that doesn't want to go through the bios and figure out how to make their computer run the best considering it's just turning on the advertised speeds.
You need to explore YT more...
Yes! They have so many different motherboards from so many brands, it'd be easy but helpful to go through everything.
@@randomblock1_ how would it be easy to go through hundreds of motherboards that are on their shelf to go through all of the performance enhancements on all of them? Think about the motherboard you have, what is the chance that the motherboards in the 3 computers I have have the same options on them? I have a z77 system, a z170, and an x470 motherboard. Those 3 definitely have all different settings that can affect performance. Not to mention the bios revisions if people don't update their bios.
@@SpyderEric They have done waaaaay harder things than plugging in some motherboards and reading the manuals for the BIOS. They all have tons of options, which is exactly why we need a video covering it.
This video needs a check list of problems under both Anthony's and Linus's screens, so we can see what they've discovered so far.
I love how at 11:45 Anthony laughs so hard you can hear him even through Linus' stream.
ok this is fucking gold, i had to go back to hear it and I'm glad i did
Alex: "Did you fix the RAID?"
Anthony: "There was RAID?"
RIP
I'm just shocked that Windows booted up one drive of a raid-0 set like that, how did that even work, all the data should be completely garbled.
@@Henrik_Holst the boot drive was not on a raid 0 setup. the extra 2 sata drives were. he had the steam library on those drives, not the boot drive.
@@ciuboo Yes but it mounted that sata, he could even open a folder on it and rename it. That should be impossible in a real raid-0 since data should be striped between the two drives, now it instead looks like NTFS simply striped whole files between the two devices.
@@Henrik_Holst he unplugged it wile the PC was running
Imho, this is actually what could've happened in real life during tech support and they've demonstrate that perfectly. Poor Anthony, i hope he is alright after that.
@@hon3ythief Actually, Anthony's approach wasn't exactly right. If you're trying to fix something, you have to know exactly what you're trying to fix first. Cable management should have been the last thing he did. His focus should have been on fixing the obvious problems first, finding and fixing the "not so obvious" problems second, and cable management last..... Doesn't matter how good the cable management is, if you can't use the system.
Lol people worrying about this man's mental health, not realizing this is all just content lol
@@hon3ythief stupid decision and painful to watch
@@hon3ythief WTF my twin
I like how Linus' instinctive action is "I can't possibly do the obvious thing, I have to cheat and make way more work for myself" to the point that he insists he's not cheating WHILE ENABLING CHEATS lmao
Like when he was googling how to enable the cheats after saying he wasn't cheating, he literally used the word "cheat" in the search string.
flack
Well....when you own the company..........
Legend has it , Anthony is still diagnosing that computer.
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Lmao
lmao
Why would you WASD in Minecraft, if u can WASD in Minecraft but 30 minutes later
lol
because strem has to end in exactly 30 minutes
Why tf wouldn't you?
I'm gonna steal one of the top comments and say that the only bad thing was Chase not having a mic.
Otherwise very entertaining but probably very hard to prepare.
The moment Linus started cheating he should have been disqualified.
Watching Linus brute force his way into punching a tree instead of just walking to one is probably the highlight of this whole thing xD
Watching Linus not know how to punch was a RIOT. omg.
Hey, it's what modders do. Don't have a tree? go ahead and build one!
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Linus using half the ram and beating the benchmarks with it and a 550w psu was the highlight for me 😅
@@ryan225360 him trying to equip a sword to farm the tree had me rolling 😅
How close was Anthony to a table flip moment?
So was Lunus though with the graphics card situation lol.
@@chompchompnomnom4256 Linus’s thing was fixed in minutes and was because he brute forced it rather than taking care. He may have been faster but I sure as hell would never want him trying to fix my computer.
@@spellfireforge I don't think he would go for absolute speed like in a competition when actually working on a customers machine tho...
Ive built my PCs for years now, and experience doesn't make you commit less mistakes, it kind of does, but with volume, mistakes add up.
I know people are mad cause of all mistakes made, but *I have total respect for Linus team for trying to pull this off live.*
Not an easy thing to run i can imagine. I support more streams like this, just, better preps next time.
Loved it, it was fun!
Completely agree this is not an easy feat and they did great. Felt real than a tight produced show with no setbacks.
Couldn't have said it better myself!
They both took questionable approaches. Linus started with obvious stuff, but after resetting CMOS went for performance related settings before worrying about just getting the system stable. Anthony, started out by almost completely rebuilding the system. Anthony's approach would ultimately cause more harm than good, especially when resetting CMOS before verifying settings. Generally, it's better to check settings and correct wrong ones, than to start from scratch. Especially if you don't know how harddrives are configured.
@@aaronthomas6155 What I don't like about the approach of rebuild the system is not what the competition is about. In a real world situation you would start a system and diagnose the problems. Here you are given a computer with know problems and just start rebuilding it. No one would do that if without turning on the PC to see how the computer is operating.
@@faervas1234 Agreed... There's no reason to start ripping a system apart if you don't know what's going on with it.
I mean it was fine to watch for the most part. I literally watched the whole VOD so it was captivating, even if clearly stressful for the people involved. I usually skip through VODs to save time. I would like to see this done again to be honest, I know these things are a nightmare to run as Linus said, but when done properly, could be amazing. It felt a little rushed. Voting with my comment and like button. Great content as a whole!
I mean, there has to be something said for not needing to edit this, right? I'm far from knowing how to run a production though, that's for sure.
He literally killed the series going forward live on stream 🤣
Yeah, that was pretty golden.
Things you say when u mad i guess
@@BananJumper he ended it at the start of the stream as well before anyone got mad.... Like right at very the start he clearly states it's the finale so it was done either way.
@@tiaan_va my bad, wasnt watching from start
Hope it comes back i really love this trainrecks is pretty much like real life. And everyone is so amazingly funny.
Anthony hits the problem like a builder and Linus hits the problem like a servicer. Two entirely different mindsets. You need both in your outfit.
Meanwhile, I have a computer I tried to build from a year and a half ago that I just gave up on. Just wouldn't get to POST. Wish I had the skill of these guys.
@@digitalconsciousness remove your cmos button battery for a couple minutes hold the power button for a bit and put it back in
try turning it on with just 1 ram stick (try this a few times with 2 different ones) try different ram slots
check cpu power cable and make sure it is inserted properly
check the motherboard power cable and make sure it is inserted properly
remove everything from USB ports
try reinstalling the gpu (make sure nothing is blocking it from seating in all the way)
does anything display on the screen? (monitor detects an input signal from the gpu)
do any sounds happen? (a beep)
does the fan speed up? (really fast or not at all)
does it auto shut down?
is anything bending your motherboard? (does it seem to be curved? maybe your cpu cooler is over tightened)
just a large list of random stuff if you're ever bored and wanna try some stuff, it can be a nightmare sometimes but it makes it more rewarding when it finally does work
it could also be a flaky motherboard if nothing else works
also check if your motherboard has an hdmi out and check if your cpu supports integrated graphics
i could be wrong on some things and this isn't meant to be an insult or anything i'm just guessing since idk where you're skill level is at
@@snowzZzZz I think I may have finally figured it out. I removed the CPU and observed it and the socket closely. One pin in the socket itself seems to have shipped to me already bent. 0% chance I did it myself, since I inserted the CPU with ZIF. Gigabyte quality strikes again. Between this, and their igniting PSU problems, I am done with this brand.
@@digitalconsciousnessdamn
Hey, it's a debacle but still loads of fun. Don't end the series!
I second this it has potential
I found this episode super endearing.
Perfect representation of IT work behind closed doors xD. It can become a complete clusterfuck out of no where.
And I'm otherwise super impressed by seasonic's PSU. I sat around just waiting for that sucker to crash due to power limitations :p
edit: Checking the comments, I'm amazed everyone cares about who win or lost or a poor rubric. It's literally just PC assembly. It's nothing special in of itself because the result really didn't matter. It's the interaction between the cast that gives value to this type of content.
You guys are just normal humans like the rest of us. And, in my opinion, this channel was never built on perfection. Regardless of mistakes were made, this was a fun episode to watch. I do usually skip 'pc repair' faceoffs as I have enough of my own battles. But I was absolutely capacitated by it due the realness IT can be for things that just may not be obvious to normal consumers.
Good job everyone :)
It held on longer than Gigabyte's protection circuit.
@@leonkernan You're an absolute savage for going there >:D
That PSU should have been completely fine as it wasn't running at its max wattage yet. The 3080 is rated for 350w and the benchmark only stressed the gpu and not the cpu. Once he played MC that's when his gpu and cpu started to both use power and that's when it shut down.
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Great summarize it, totally agreed 👍
Watching Anthony get absolutely bodied by Linus is not how I thought this was going to end up.
Well, there is a reason why he's the boss.
@@Tsweeney12584 the boss at computers, but not minecraft
@@CaptainCrud116 he was literally dicking around in Minecraft because Anthony was so far behind. Because if he was actually in a tight race, he would have just walked and punched a tree. But they let him know Anthony was way way behind so he tried to save face by blowing time
@@Tsweeney12584 I mean he was pretty open about how he has no idea how to play minecraft lol. And of course he had to enable cheats...and still couldn't do it
I don't think PC repair challenges in real life cases need you to play a game and punch a tree. But oh well, here we are.
This was great. But there really should have been a longer debrief. I was so curious about what goals they got and missed. I really wanted to know what went wrong and in what order with Anthony's build. And I wanted to know what their final times really were. Man I watched almost 3 hours of this, to be wrapped up in a couple minutes
Anthony, the king of malicious compliance. “I gotta be here, imma cable manage the whoooooole thing”
Avea it's more Anthony jubala comments Linus Tech tips Yummy Nummies PC repair a challenge and 20 phase line
@@walidfakhfakh3660 try that again but without marbles in your mouth
@@agenericaccount3935 if I dish medical Saturday March 3rd Willie orijinales locked up
Chase didn't think this one through completely. Also when Linus was hosting the competition in the past, it went a lot smoother
True
Yes, there were parts like the missing mic for him and the scoreboard being broken that did have nothing to do with the competition part.
There are a lot of moving pieces to these challenges and I don't know anything about Chase but feel like maybe he was thrown too far into the deep end on this one.
Also, no offense to Alex, he really knows his stuff and could have helped produced and been a tech consultant/reporter going room to room with a microphone, but he has to work on his host persona and witty responses. When Riley made a clearly silly joke about Linus being an evil corporate leader, Alex awkwardly shut him down instead of playing it off and saying something like "of coarse my co-host is clearly joking" to the camera instead. If I was Riley (and I am (no really, this is Riley writing this (just kidding, I'm not really him (or am I?)))), that would have messed with my mojo. (Me again, I just looked in the mirror and I am definitely not Riley)
Also, did Daddy James get the day off? He could have saved the day if he was there. No more time off for James!
I think Linus saying how hard it was to host shows what it is like when you don't properly set up and how much time Linus does to making the competition smooth and legit even though behind the scenes it's similar to what we just saw now.
@@stewiex I agree with the hosting part, I feel Chase was already under lots of pressure and they just keep on pressuring him live. They could've lighten the situation or did some segue or "host" the issues out to lighten the mood. I think the best hosts would've been Linus (as he hosted these before) and Luke (as he does a lot of live WAN show) and he and Linus have this non verbal connection though I'm not sure if it is going to work under LMG as Luke is technically a Floatplane guy.
At the camera issue at Anthony's corner, I thought he had unexpectedly rage quit 😁
Didn't we all? Lmao. I even thought that Dave (or whoever the cameraman is) was already packing his stuff to leave. LOL
I love how they try to sabotage Linus in the end but Linus’ logic about the Radiator put a fork on their plans
He was right. You want the front rad fans to be intakes
@mikerzisu9508theres nothing wrong with sucking or pulling to be honest. My old case I had noctua industrial fans that put out so much airflow I had to use my rad as a exhaust because my single exhaust fan couldn't keep up. It depends entirely on the situation.
The next WAN show should be interesting lmao
Ooh, yeah, that'll be fun for sure.
This was absolutely fun to watch, but for the sake of everyone involved I think this series would perform better as a video rather than a livestream
I like the livestream, it should just be a bit better organized and maybe prepare have trackers on screen for the progress.
That's a nightmare of an editing job. A nightmare either way for sure, but at least they get the content out and it's done.
nope
They need to have a pre recorded bit up front to ask questions of chase on the system they have, ie the back story of the system. Chase would give very poor answers but it would have clues on what might be wrong. Ex would be that this system has had a MB upgrade, installed raid at one point and recently tried to unsuccessfully fix what seemed to be a power spike. This would allow each opponent an idea of what needs to be looked at and put together a game plan. It seemed like the setup was just random.
This. Since people talk about having pc repair experience on this, I'd assume a customer complaint form and or discussion with the make believe customer would be part of it. Even throw in some red herrings and make sure it's understood its an unreliable narrator.
Honestly though I'm not sure if they're even going to do more. They have to do a lot of diagnostic work in the background to set these up, and if Anthony's understanding on the drive test is correct there was something going on there.
I hope there's a good breakdown on the WAN show this week.
That's not a bad idea. They could have other B Roll they could insert along the way too so Linus and Anthony could focus more instead of being asked what they were doing every couple of minutes.
Also, why are the hosts controlling the cameras? Someone should have had OBS open on a laptop off to the side directing the camera shots and deciding when you do cuts to said B Roll. Heck, they could have also inserted a nicely produced Intel promo package somewhere in there and charged them more for it.
Sorry for all the criticism LMG. No one should stress over it too much, it was truly entertaining even if the concept went all up in flames. You can't hit every video out of the park but you have a damn good batting average. I love all of your videos and definitely could not have done better.
Yep the…there was a raid? Was amazing would never happen in real life tho you always kinda know, and there was a very important part Anthony took the right approach with the vertical mount meanwhile Linus was like lets take it of because it’s not on the rules and also take the front panel to get better performance. LOL.
@@granatmof I've worked in a repair center and I can assure you the person dropping the computer off, 90% of the time, starts off with "I don't know anything about computers" and just says it crashed.
@@stevenhanley2371 yes but you know that the pc was okay so maybe ram or drives if bios shows up and u can diagnose those
We need another one of these with Alex, Riley, and Dan as hosts with full control as they navigate, narrate, and give us metaphors about life.
We’re overdue for this.
I have a feeling Linus is having a "fun" debrief right now lol
Wait, why :DDD
Yeah but it was LTT gold at it’s finest this video was like the one with Madison or the OG scrapwars unscripted pure personality the train wreck at the end….i wanted more.
@@agc2801 this train wreck was characterized by chase's incompetence.
@@over7532 Dude you just throwing Chase hate on every comment let it go, producing these things aren’t easy is not their regular format there’s bound to be mistakes and it didn’t took the enjoyment away which is the point in the end. Have a wonderful night bro.
It was cringey but I watched the whole thing... thats the thing. If it gets views it doesn't truly matter how it went technically.
We definitely need a re-do of this. So many things went wrong. And next time, give Chase (or the person running the show) a mic too.
We don't need any more of this lol. Poor communication doesn't change the face that Anthony didn't find the RAID 0 and was clearly behind. Linus struggling in minecraft was hilarious though.
Chase said told linus he was going to but evidently forgot. They know that chase needed a mic
@@Ligby The entire ruleset was basically non-existing. If you had just turned on the pc and completed the benchmarks, all the penalties would have amounted to less than it would have taken to fix everything. That's like basic logic, but somehow they didn't think of it... come on, they have all the resources in the world.
@@Mysterio2243 yeah. Poorly run. But these guys are no strangers to figuring it out on the run. I enjoyed the stream. Even if only for the cringe
@@Ligby I agree with you, but I also think that was because Anthony had so much trouble trying to complete CrystalDiskMark up to the papers specifics, that he forgot/didn't notice it was in RAID 0
I just hope they didn't end up mad in the end for long... It was fun to watch Linus trying to cheat on Minecraft though.
I love how Riley is absolutely hilarious and comedic and so much of it either annoys Alex or flies right over his head. Very IT vibes Loool
Pretty crazy how far ahead Linus was and how much he ended up winning by when he spent like 30 minutes learning how to hack Minecraft. Plus, Anthony not only corrupted a drive, he most likely wouldn't have made it past the SSD swap without the hints. He didn't even catch the afterburner restrictions... I'm not trying to throw shade at Anthony though. I think this just shows how fast Linus is at problem-solving and moving through things.
@@justin7143 Which problem he missed? Even at the end Alex admitted that Linus got it all. The only one they can legitimately docked points only the radiator fan orientation that Linus actually noticed and thinks it's not a problem and actually better in the "wrong" orientation and Alex agreed with it. And maybe not using the vertical mount for GPU, but I'd argue performance wise it's better to slot the card directly especially when Alex confirmed the riser is only PCIe 3.0.
He noticed the PSU issue during the 3DMark but just ran it anyway and it completed the benchmark above the target score. And he switched out the PSU in the end anyway. And he knew the danger of not switching out the cables when he switched PSU but smartly make a research to make sure both pinouts are compatible so he don't need to do the tedious work. That is smart, not hack.
Ironically the only hacking he did only making him spent half an hour more than he should with Minecraft.
@@sonicslv6132 The minecraft part was stalling for Anthony's sake so that it would be more entertaining to watch.
And how bad of a tech Anthony is. Just wow
@@justin7143 Please tell me you at least cleaned that '70%' after pulling it out of your ass. If not, that is very unsanitary.
Hey LTT, this was extremely interesting content, not only actual content part, bet all the things that went wrong. I would be very interested in seeing what lessons you learned as a team and content creators and experts in the tech field etc. That would be interesting not only to me who watched the stream, but that would definitely help us understand the complexity of your work, problem solving, aftermath and overall allow us to engage much more with you. And hey, free idea for the 8th video next week. :D
Like most things in life - it would be better if the goals were better defined before the task started - so define the task, the rules, the penalties for missing things (I'd say that each forfeit should be at least 10 minutes, so that it's playing on the contestants minds), perhaps telling the contestants how long you expect it to take them and applying a bit of strategic pressure to build dramatic tension. Letting the stream know what the challenges were, or perhaps how many there were and filling them in live when the contestants achieved them would be good as it would let the viewers quickly glance at the progress and determine who was winning without having to rely on the commentators.
"Oh wow, look, we have overhead cameras we've never used!"
*1 minute later*
"Oh Linus's camera cut out"
*shrugs like there's nothing they can do about it*
It's same like getting defeated in an argument and then brain starts making good statements later !
Poor Chase...I'm sure he got brutally punished for this!
its not his fault lol, anthony just being hyper nerd needlessly with a boomer mindset
I love how the stream ended. "Who knows how to turn it o.." 🤣🤣🤣
Perfection. This is the first LTT Stream I've watched start to finish it was hilarious.
It got a bit silly when they started changing rules near the end, oh we should increase the penalty for this and that 2 mins isn't enough, let's change it to 15 mins. And all the hints being given out kinda defeats the point.
Then Linus got like a 29 minute penalty. LOL
I see your point but it's not as though the rule changes were for arbitrary reasons. They had live technical issues and if that affects the fairness between Linus and Anthony then I can understand wanting to adjust for that.
It just wasn't well thought out. The penalty should be equal to an agreed upon amount of time to complete a task. Saying everything missed is 2 minutes makes no sense if 1 issue is a sata drive not plugged in and another issue is swapping power supplies (disregarding being able to use the same cables). Those two tasks take different amounts of time and should be penalized accordingly, especially if time is the judge of who wins.
I think the hosts confused the situation asking questions that basically told them what they missed, and this was before they even intentionally giving hints.
Saying something subjective like fan orientation is an issue isn't right, docking points for not using the vertical mount when it's a gen3 instead of gen4, which if I was fixing that pc for better performance I'd remove the riser because of that...
Not knocking Linus, Anthony, Riley, Alex or Chase on this, it's a lot of moving parts and is much easier to spot the issues on a recording than trying to think of it preemptively.
Hopefully this is used as a learning experience and the next one is better. Like.. maybe include a shelf of a bunch of spare parts, not a tote that just happens to have exactly what you need. I doubt Anthony would've noticed the PSU issue as quickly had he not seen the replacement in his bin of parts. That's pretty much a dead giveaway that I atleast want to take a closer look at the PSU in the case.
well the rules may as well be thrown out when the rigs wern't configured properly or documented properly in the first place.
I love how linus figured out that anthony was pretty far behind and screwed around with minecraft to try and let him catch up, what a freaking stand up guy
Whatta guy. DANNNNGG
is this a comment or an insult, i don't understand
@@ruthwikpatibandla8375 Well it's definitely a comment
@@ruthwikpatibandla8375 how could this possibly be an insult….
Lmao that shit made me so mad like JUST WALK
This was fun to see the two different methods. Anthony is methodical and decides to effectively just build it from the ground up as if it were a brand new PC and then hope it just boots correctly. Linus tries to boot right away, identify symptoms, and diagnose/fix as he goes. Both have their pros and cons.
You guys fumbled this so badly. What is the point of the rules and penalties if you can't even tally them because you botched the entire thing at the end. Not to mention half the "penalties" were for things that are up for interpretation and not necessarily wrong and you were making up stuff on the fly. And then at the end nothing was explained. Idk how yall were able to screwup that badly.
Calm down. This was a free live stream. They will definitely do this again. Many people are calling for a rematch. I'm just glad for the effort. Live streaming is NOT easy, and I'm willing to bet Linus and the whole team will be scrutinizing the live stream and read all the comments for feedback.
@@madezra64 lmao its not happening again
@@madezra64 Excuse me Mr. White Knight, I'm just keeping it real. My apologies if my comment bothered you. Obviously we all know how much goes into a live stream. Streamers do it everyday with great success except most don't have 50 employees like Linus does. So idk what the excuses are for. If they upload a disaster of a video I'm gunna comment on it being a disaster. Just like the majority of other comments.
@@madezra64 sounds like you need to calm down honestly. you act like this is their first live stream or something. this was garbage.
@@PabzRoz The majority of other comments are actually giving some constructive criticism on top of complaining at least. Furthermore, there's been plenty of live stream fuck ups. Having 50 employees doesn't make you invulnerable to human error you dunce. You act like you paid to watch this or something.
So many things went wrong, but it was entertaining, I call that a win
That really went downhill.
The penalty system was awful, 2 minutes per issue was silly when there were only half a dozen of them. Should have scored it like for each issue unresolved, have 10% of the competitors final time added to yours.
Also, if the setups of the machines were actually different e.g. Anthony not having the correct 480gb drive to run the test, then what's the point.
Silly things ruin the whole challenge and it all gets really frustrating very quickly.
For the time mistakes, they have a list of issues. Time each person involved with the build fixing the issue, average it and add an error bonus that's the penalty. The penalty time may still be less than the time it would take to identify and fix for some people, but Linus got super lucky he could quick swap the PSUs which in general should never be done.
@@granatmof lucky? Anthony had the same pair of power supply but he didn't think to go to cable mod website... It was smart by linus
@@OV3R-9K Lucky, yes, because the people building the machines didn't think about that aspect of it. That's not taking away from Linus' quick thinking, his checking it was very good on his part, but if the people building the cases had taken that into consideration or provided a PSU that used pinouts incompatible with the other, Linus would have had to switch out all the cables anyway like Anthony did. So Linus had both - he got lucky, and he pulled a move that was very smart.
Pretty sure anthony had teh same drives, the 480 wasnt showing. Either it was not correctly seated, of something else, but from what I understood they DID have the same thing (at 2:23:50)
@@arowhite anthony stated his mp600 was a 1tb instead of a 512gb drive like the test. and also chase confirmed that it was in the gen 4 slot.
TrAnthony L lmao
Props to Linus troubleshooting his team mood by the end
"who knows how to turn it o-" - best part of the stream
@@Lexan_YT yo
Linus' expression change at 2:44:40 says it all
Yeah, the passive-aggressive waving and his look in the end was quite terrifying...
I'm definitely the kind of person that, when faced with one thing being obviously wrong with a system, will then proceed to pull the entire thing apart and put it back together again properly. It's usually faster that way, too. Like Anthony, I'm also inclined to doubt whether or not a PSU is capable of powering a system if it's got a notoriously power-hungry component installed. Linus's ability to notice that the fan and RGB controllers weren't actually doing anything was pretty impressive, though. I wouldn't have been able to tell with the rat's nest of cables back there until I removed them and tried to figure out where everything was being powered from. Definitely a very good challenge level 7 or 8 out of ten system for them to figure out. Next time, though, you should throw some parts with Linus-induced faults at them. Dead CPUs and memory in dual-channel using the wrong slots, etc. With metrics so clearly posted, it would also be neat to have an NVMe configuration meant to be in RAID 0, but start it out on a PCIe gen 3 riser, but need it to be on the onboard PCIe gen 4 slots instead. With how clever companies are getting at hiding the M.2 slots, it would be fun to watch them struggle with it for a while. Having the front panel controls be plugged onto the wrong pins could also be entertaining and very realistic, since it happens all the time. It would also be entertaining to have the BIOS tuning screwed up so badly that it crashes and requires them to reset the BIOS overclocking back to defaults and redo them. Doing this with memory clocks would be the safest for the hardware. Another fun option is to change the default video output device to onboard if you're using a CPU that has onboard video. That way even if they get it to a functional state, they get no output from the GPU. You can also test how thorough they're being in their analysis by leaving the protective film on the CPU heatsink, assuming the film extends past the edge of the heatsink. And if you want to be especially cruel, you can put a GPU power cable on the EPS connector on the PSU, assuming it's like Corsair's stuff and shares the same connector, but uses a different pinout. Leave it disconnected in the case but nearby the connector and see if they notice or if they just brute force it into the motherboard connector. Probably stop them before powering it on if they go that route so you don't kill an innocent CPU and MB. Another option is to give them a MB with two 8-pin EPS connectors but fit it with an 8-pin and a 4-pin cable and see if they notice. Most board will actually work if underpowered, but will throttle performance. If you really want to screw with them, find a MB that supports slot disablement and disable the slot that the GPU is installed in. Make sure this is on a board with multiple PCIe slots so they can move it to one that hasn't been disabled. Alternately, do this on a board with a CPU that has internal graphics and also has a CMOS/BIOS reset button so they can swap over to the default internal graphics until they get that sorted out.
I've been into tech for too long if I can think of so many common problems to use to screw people over in these kinds of competitions.
The Raid 0 revelation at the end was such a nice payoff.
I think Anthony might have missed the raid because he did not check everything in the BIOS like Linus did. Because he was told that reset would be just fine.
@@Shalmonify A reset was fine, he just had to fix the things it reset, like raid.
Yeah, he was ALLOWED to reset it, but they warned Linus of the consequences and they did not give the same warning to Anthony.
@@Shalmonify wrong, he was told that he could remove the cmos battery, which he did not do. He reset the bios to default in the settings and was always allowed to do that.
@@bensavedbychrist they actually did. Did you even watvh it?
I admire Linus for his anger and frustration management when all the mobo thing happened
Yep MVP for him he even pretty much solved everything.
Absolutely, especially with all the trash talk going on behind his back
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Considering that both Linus and Anthony speak even when they are "off", you should upload their individual repair vids, as well. They might be useful and a bit easier to follow, as well.
Yeah overall I think this doesnt work well as a live format. Something editted with post commentary seems better. Obviously that is a lot more work though.
I wanted to see the breakdown of the mistakes and the bickering of why not
or why they were right. The after event is just as entertaining . It's also educational. please do this with the after event and interviews. There is much to be learnt
Frustrating to watch for all the reasons people have mentioned.
Any competition like this needs the rules and general checklist of the problems laid out beforehand so the audience can follow along as problems are solved, not be filled in after the fact with vague descriptions of what is and isn't listed.
Also, if you're going to have a PSU swap as one of the items, it should be tested if the 550w PSU will still work at full or greater load to determine if it's even a roadblock in the first place.
Just seems like a lot of the things set up to be challenges weren't actual problems, and the penalties for missing things were way too small when just brute forcing it past those problems is possible. Like, use the fans as an example. If it could reasonably take a person 2-3 minutes to swap those around, then the penalty for missing something like that should be double or triple the amount of time needed to perform the fix, so it's an actual PENALTY if you missed it.
The way this was designed, it is more advantageous just to brute force your way through the process and anything you missed won't matter because you saved more time not addressing those issues than you would have spent actually fixing them. It seemed that you were penalized for actually fixing some things that could have been ignored, considering some of those issues won't impact the benchmarks enough to make a difference (but would still be unacceptable to send out a customer's computer without addressing those problems).
Finally, I know the hosts were doing their best, but I think the comments about spaghetti in the back may have made Anthony obsess way too much over cable management (which was not a factor in scoring) and it was very wrong to remind Linus about the side panels. The hosts should have let Linus run all the bench marks and think he was finished, maybe even considering his benchmarks invalid if he failed to run them with the side panels on. At the very least, him having to go back and run all the benchmarks again with side panels on would have been a time penalty, but they told him about as he was running cinebench, which I think was totally unfair.
Doesn't really matter becauase Anthony missed the drives in Raid 0 config, but others have pointed out, that could be because he was told it's okay to reset the BIOS which may have led him to jump ahead in the process when he otherwise might have had a more thorough look at the BIOS before the question of resetting it would have been appropriate to bring up.
I don't know, still entertaining to watch despite the frustration, but there needs to be a lot more standardized process for doing these if it's really going to have the air of a fair competition. As it stands now, just something fun to watch, but the lack of knowing what is wrong beforehand and some of the wonky tasks/penalties were clearly a problem.
While other points are valid, and challenge is designed poorly in a lot of places, as a former tech support I can say that you never ever reset/delete any configurations/information unless you are pretty sure what is happening and that it can't be saved/restored.
I wanted Anthony to win, because I like his approach better, but it seems like he become over-focused at some point and begin missing details.
@@L1vv4n Anthony's dad beat him with jumper cables as a small boy so now he fixates on cable management for days on end. It's very sad.
It did feel fixed and even scared to put Linus right about the front and top panel , also thing that it was picked knowing Anthony would be slower and if Linus was willing to CHEAT in minecraft he was like he knew where Anthony was and wanted to show off.
Mf wrote an essay for a video he hasn’t thought about in 4 months
There was no rule saying they had to turn in all 3 benchmarks at the same time so both of the contestants were doing each benchmark one at a time and turning in the results for judgement immediately. Of course they had to tell Linus that the test didn't count because the panels were off. Making either of them go through all 3 tests again would simply be a time waster on a challenge that went way over the allotted time anyways.
The front panel is literally just a result of the disorganized mess of rules, it wasn't on the rules given to the contestants but it was on a slideshow of the rules. All it needed to say was 'all panels must be install during benchmarks' but for some reason it was talking about glass panels. It really looks like someone just prepped the rigs a month in advance and then threw everything else together at the last minute.
As for the BIOS, messing with the BIOS in addition with everything else they broke was just too much to begin with. The idea of needing to clear CMOS should never have even been an issue, the contestants should not have had to do anything more complicated than some common tweaks to reach the target benchmarks after fixing all the hardware issues and drivers / windows settings issues. This is especially true because of the RAID setup
The best streams are the ones where things go wrong and this just proves that.
I disagree, LTT is the flagship channel and should try to produce TV standard quality.
@@QuintenVerhelst tv programs also have issues rarely
No this was pretty poor compared to the other repair videos
@@QuintenVerhelst my guy this is youtube not tv. they don't have to nor are they obligated to to keep a standard like that.
i think it was really good stream because basically it was not scripted and totally original to the core, it was fun to watch, this is basically the first stream that i watched fully from start to end for almost 3 hours *-* it was educational of how many problems we can ran into ourselves when we build a PC or change bios settings and 1 more thing is that even the best people in tech can get frustrated with trouble shotting and possible to not find the answer that they looking for.
Meanwhile Bitwit be like:
"I couldn't figure out what the issue was so I built a completely different system for you."
I want to see Lyle do a collab with the Verge on a reaction video 🤣
Anthony seemed to have cause all of his own problems from what I saw, and even giving him 10+ hints where Linus was really given none, still wasn't enough to beat Linus lmao
"because it was a moral lesson for you, Linus"
"That's stupid"
And the funny parts he mistyped the cheat code..
I know we all wanted Anthony to win in our heart of hearts.
But, sorry, Linus just plain out-classed him here.
It might have looked like Linus was rushing, but he nailed the troubleshooting and correctly didn't waste time on anything that wasn't strictly necessary. The only thing he genuinely missed was the power supply - although, it almost worked without switching it - and then he fixed that (and, again, did it the fast and smart way - checking for pin compatibility and then only plugging it into the new PSU, not re-running all the cables again).
Linus has the experience with fast PC building on camera and it shows here.
I know, I know. Linus was "the hare" and Anthony was the slow and steady "tortoise", so we all morally feel that the tortoise should win, as that's how the story goes. But that's a story and this is reality. The hare would, in reality, actually win that race comfortably, if he just doesn't get complacent enough to fall asleep under a tree.
In fact, Linus was very classy indeed, in that all that pissing about with Minecraft was clearly stalling to give Anthony a fair shake, when he realised how far ahead he was.
He just won. As simple as. Credit where credit is due.
You could absolutely do it the less smart way by brute-forcing it through just rebuilding the whole PC from scratch; I suspect it would still be the fastest overall (remember that Linus still played with the cables a bit). But spending 40+ minutes on cable management was truly unwise.
I do agree that Anthony spent an excessive amount of time before even getting to the point where he powered on the system, and that was the major problem on his part. The strategy used by Linus of just fixing what needed fixing in terms of the hardware clearly payed off.
When it comes to the time spent benchmarking, I do feel like Anthony got a bit screwed over though, particularly regarding the Crystaldiskmark test.
Linus didn't particularly pay attention here, he first failed the Crystaldiskmark test, then ran the Crystaldiskmark test with the wrong settings, claimed success and moved on.
Anthony stuck to the settings shown in the rules, didn't reach the stated numbers and when he raised his concerns over this (in combination with how the rules clearly showed results with some different SSD model) he was encouraged to keep trying to figure it out, wasting a bunch of time before they changed their minds and said he should just skip that test (which Linus had effectively already skipped by way of not paying attention to what he was supposed to do).
It would have made things interesting if Anthony had actually found a way to reach the stated Crystaldiskmark numbers, then he could have actually "tortoised" Linus by completing 4/4 goals compared to how Linus more quickly completed 3/4 and called it a day.
I listened to that whole thing, and I didn't hear a list of all the issues. How am I supposed to learn? Regardless, I really enjoyed the unscripted content from you guys.
@@Alpacalips Apparently it's because reading chat was not against the rules?! SMH.
The 1st two were pretty good, this one was okay but the ending was messy. I still definitely want more of this series!
We need a rematch, this was fun to watch but pretty poorly executed as a contest. It's still unclear if Anthony just missed more issues or if there was an issue with his system out of his control. RUN IT AGAIN!
I'd say Linus wasted more time trying to hack Minecraft than Anthony trying to get correct SSDs scores - so it's kind of irrelevant to the outcome. Anthony wasted too much time going over all the parts
lets be real Anthony lost when he took an hour on cable management. Linus was opening Minecraft before Anthony even saw a post
@@casparhughey5651 Linux wasn't even involved but ok
His gen 4 ssd wasn't in the gen4 slot which caused the slower speeds. The issues with the curropted drive is because they were in raid 0, and he unplugged one of them. All of the faults were technically on him. But overall this stream was very poorly executed.
@@ei.. Im pretty sure it WAS in the gen4 slot, even Chase said it was installed in the correct configuration. (If I recall correctly)
I think Anthony's being (too) methodical and (somewhat) unfamiliar with Windows borked this for him. Also, once he knew for a fact Linus was ahead, I spotted stress happening, causing further delays. :/
Agreed, one of the things I've learned is that Anthony is a detail oriented guy who takes his time, Linus is the no manual guy, burn first, get it right later 😂
Well me, I'm a Linux guy, last time I tried setting up a windows machine ready for gaming, took me, good lord, AGES. Hahahahaahaha
Cause you know, windows.............
@@splitpierre Well, no, I don't know. Cause, you know, Proton. ;)
yes, blame the hosts for telling him that Linus was ahead,
I think the this whole video can be summed up with the final dialogue: "Who knows how to turn it off?" :-)
I realized as soon as I saw the shaders that MC was going to be what would trip the power supply. It's not as bad as it used to be, but it's still pretty unoptimized and runs on frickin' Java. And it's not like a conventional stress test, where the loads are pretty constant and stable. That little Seasonic had no chance. It's very brave and deserves a Scooby Snack.
I cannot _imagine_ how hard this must have been to set up and run. What a logistical nightmare. Interesting as it is, I don't blame you guys at all for not wanting to do any more.
Linus was doing weird stuff in Minecraft to give Anthony some extra time.
@@GFSCN69 taking it a bit seriously
Linus had no idea Anthony needed more time. Linus assumed Anthony finished first. Nah Linus just wasn't taking it seriously because he just wanted to have a bit of fun with it.
Nope, he straight up fell down a rabbit hole.
We’ll never know but i think you are 50% correct he wanted to give Anthony more time and flex that he was done…
@@ragefacememeaholic5366 He was trying to get Anthony to at least complete before him, that's why he was surprised when he still hadn't finished despite the fact he was, "Dicking around for half an hour in Minecraft".
I am constantly amazed at how quick Riley is with coming up with sarcastic quips and other jokes. Someone will say something and Riley instantly has a clever bit to say about it.
It's genuinely impressive.
I agree Riley sucks.
@@IziVynelol lol
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I think he's funny a few minutes at a time. After about 3 hours I just want him to fucking turn it off for a little bit, it's too much.
@@Kevin-jb2pv Imagine how his wife feels.
This was an amazing video - hilarious, nail biting, and a solid dose of WTF. A solid departure from the regular LTT content. I was only intending on watching a few minutes to see what it was about, as I very rarely watch anything close to this long, but I just couldn't stop watching. I hope the viewer numbers and engagement reflect that, and we do in fact get more like this despite Linus's closing remarks!
This wrecked my whole day, couldn't turn it off. Also 👋
can you please tell me who won. Im confused
It seemed like one of the most 'realistic' things on youtube. I can't for the life of me understand how seriously some people are appearing to take the specifics of the rules and 'cheating' and things like that, when that surely isn't the point overall. The 'competition' is more of a window dressing to watch these guys do what they do and listen to them talk about it, live, in real time.
I personally found it fascinating.
I love proper cable management as much as the next guy but Anthony is wasting an awful lot of time playing with RGB cables considering he hasn’t even posted the computer yet. This must be how they trained him at Best Buy. Get as many billable hours as you possibly can.
What do you even mean "posted" the computer? This is a clear example of someone that heard a random word said and tries to repeat it to sound smart. POST is the correct term. One does not simply "posted" a computer. Also, this video is over a year old, and you're commenting on it? You good bro? lmfao
@@kepler656 posting a computer just means turning it on and allowing it to run through its own checks. I realize that “post” is an acronym but it’s been used as a verb for decades.
“The computer isn’t posting”, or “my pc posts but won’t boot” are verb forms of an acronym.
The fact that me saying “he hasn’t posted the computer yet” rather than “he hasn’t gotten the computer to post yet”sent you into rant mode is pretty sad.
Also, TH-cam videos and their comments sections are meant to stay online indefinitely. Are people not supposed to comment on videos after they’ve been up for a year? Should comment sections be locked after a week? You tell me, smart guy. I wasn’t trying to communicate with Anthony himself. I was just commenting on the video I was watching. Find a hobby or something.
Would like the issues to be addressed in some form afterwards!
I'm sure w'll here about it on the WAN show friday
@@Ligby they should have Anthony on as a guest
@@68Squid yeah
Corrupting a drive by messing up RAID is a nasty experience.
I recall managing to set up two machines to point to same physical storage. It was surprising how subtle the failures were; creating a file and having it mysterious vanish was more common than crashes.
All the Linus vs Anthony-themed videos says a lot about Linus' respect for Anthony's skills.
After watching the whole thing live, I have to say: What a lovable disaster
LOL, the Seasonic FOCUS GX-550 PSU jumped in price by $5 since they posted it. Nice little PSU. And hilarious that Minecraft caused the PC to die.
Not even gonna lie - the greatest video I've ever watched. I found the commentary amusing, Linus' 30 minute minecraft adventure soul destroying and Anthony's cable management hilarious.
The only grievance I have with this challenge is that having the ability to simply replace everything even if the part is without fault. In troubleshooting you can’t just rebuild a customer’s PC with your own parts.
if the parts they previously had were not sufficient, such as a lesser power supply, then of course they would have to be replaced regardless