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standard route? so byzantium+ bulgaria could be hard, as you cant no cb byzntium at the start.....so maybe take 1 core each in the independance peace deal, block the land route and hope for rebels? though the ai seems to be more competent in this patch with naval landings so.....maybe the ottos could actually handle that?
@The Red Hawk you are now able to declare independence wars even if you are at war already. No more constant warfare to keep a disloyal subject from declaring independence. It's in the patchnotes.
I assume that if you can get past the early game you're going to do the typical feeding back cores / releasing thing to try to fully annex the Ottomans. Would be interesting to see a less normal way of doing it if there is one.
From this update onward, subjects can declare indepence even if they're at war together with the overlord. They will simply leave the current war (Novgorod war in this case)
I was very lucky and spawned with a 6,5,6 when I played as Finland. But then Sweden did the "place dynasty on throne" interaction with me before I could do my independence war and gave me a crappy 0,3,2 :(
I believe Latgalia, Karelia, and Sápmi are the only new releasables (Karelia and Sápmi now have cores in 1444; they were revolter tags before). And espionage is actually pretty pog now: favor accumulation, chance to capture ships, AE impact reduction, advisor cost reduction, and siege ability are all great, and being able to quickly spy and cheaply fabricate claims is really good in the HRE.
@@Xictlii They took the flag from the modern region, the coat of arms is virtually the same, which is fine since it's bloody difficult finding pre-crusades flags or flag-alternatives. I'd say don't change the Livonian colour, it looks nice and there's no "more appropriate" colour due to it being so alt-history. Latgalia's brown is the only thing that needs changing.
3:09 since the newest patch subjects can declare independence even if their overlord is at war. Subject automatically peace out in overlords war. It is not a scripted mission, happens to all countries.
Latgalia replaces Latvia as the Latvian primary nation. Karelia and Sápmi both received cores in 1444 in this update. Those are the only new ones I’ve seen so far. Enjoying this series a lot
20:58 You missed Ming when counting since you can't see them yet so they're not on your ledger. There could also be more nations you can't see that have more dev than you. Bahmanis, Vijayanagar, Timurids etc. I couldn't think of a certain way to determine if you're a "real" great power when you can't see everyone. Maybe count institution penalties as well but make your goal to be top 3 great power (or 4 or 5 or...) there would be no hustle determining then. :)
@@jormun Which would be incorrect, since majority of the urban population and the surrounding countryside was inhabited by Finns. There's accounts from the early 1600s, where Östland (Finland), and even Turku, are written as these foreign and barbaric places by officials who went to govern there from the Swedish "mainland". The first governor-general of Finland and the first president of the Court of Turku, Nils Turesson Bielke, resigned from his position of governor-general due to, among other things, not knowing Finnish. He also viewed Finland as a barbaric and foreign place, which is probably why he didn't learn the language. The Bishop of Turku, Isaacus Rothovius, wrote that during his time in Finland, he perceived himself to be "surrounded by barbarians and scorpions". Swedification of the nobility and local population didn't become widespread until the 1700s, although it did take place before on a lesser scale. There's also the issue of how Swedish documentation worked and identifying who was "Finnish" or "Swedish" linguistically and culturally. Western Finns didn't have their own old surname system, unlike eastern Finns, so son/daughter surnames were widespread like in Sweden, but those surnames were in a Finnish form in day to day life and in informal situations. Swedish documents however translated these names into Swedish, for example someone named Maununpoika would be Månsson in Swedish documents, even if they spoke Finnish as their primary language and went by Maunupoika instead of the Swedish version their entire life. It also didn't help that previously native Finnish first names were also being replaced by Latin/Christian derived names.
As a Turk, I can give u an information about how Ottomans got Beylik of Germiyan without a hassle, they got it from like a wedding present (im keeping it very short) and I think for the RP, you should declare War while having Royal ties with them
Didn't espionage already get a buff? I have to say I have been trying it and aristo+espionage =cav go brrr is really fun. Also the siege modify and the favor growth from espio is really useful
I don't think that "countries" list takes into account development of countries you don't know. For example Ming was number 8 great power, but did not appear in that countries list
I'd need to see how they calculate the odds of a general dying in combat, but it could be that the overhauled combat system makes it MORE likely, even if they never touched Generals themselves.
What a cursed start A fun campaign overall but I would probably not try to do it myself lol Also I hope you'll do a guide for the teutonic order soon !
For me this patch the Burgundian Succession seems to happen within 10 to 15 years every campaign now, just like in this playthrough of yours as well. Kind of bizarre, I'm sure its a coincidence but man it sure is a weird one, lol. And yeah my generals have died crazy fast too, today I had three die within like a year.
As a lot of people have said, subjects can now declare independence when at war, but to build on that I think you have to be at more than 50 liberty desire to do it
Subject nations can declare an independence war even though their overlord is at war. They changed it since 1.34. and if you would keep your generals in the army they would die faster. İf you are not at the war just don't use them at all.
I tried Finland just 2 days ago. Had to restart a handful of times because of failed independence wars. But once I succeeded with that it was more or less a regular playthrough. I had a few scary wars with Muscovy/Russia (with their Ottoman ally). Stacking attrition modifiers makes you feel a lot more safe. I went defensive as my first idea group and it worked out very well. To get the last mission you can just conscript a large amount of troops temporarily to reach 100k.
I did the "Crossing the Finnish Line" achievement already a year back but just recently got back to playing as Finland. If starting "properly" by playing as Finland from day one the start is so RNG heavy that expect multiple restarts to get the conditions right (good rivals for Denmark i.e. no Poland or Muscovy but still enough for Sweden to win and high initial liberty desire for Sweden). I wrote a short recipe for how I currently start the game off, the goal is to knock out your three neighbours (Sweden, Novgorod, and Muscovy) within the first 20-30 years so that you are safe and can start focusing on snowballing. This is pretty much cut&paste from my comment to another Finland video on TH-cam: Nowadays declaring Finnish independence is easier as you can do it while Sweden is still fighting Denmark but it's best to wait until that war is close to being decided so that Sweden doesn't collapse before you can break free. The Swedish declaration should happen somewhere around 1452-1455 or it will probably never happen and you get re-annexed. This has been my recipe for getting the Finnish snowball going from 1444: 0. Your first three wars will probably be Sweden, Novgorod, and Muscovy in quick succession, so always prepare for the next one ahead of time. After those three wars the player's paths may diverge depending on opportunities. 1. Immediately start spying on Denmark and Novgorod (hostile trading in Novgorod and Lübeck helps a lot), from Novgorod claim the Priozersk and Karelia provinces, you get claims for the rest from the first Finnish mission. Set focus to Mil so that you get quality troops early. Probably not worth hiring a Mil advisor yet, unless you get one for half cost. Your starting ruler will almost always get replaced by Sweden around 1449 so don't put too much faith in whoever you had at the start. You may want to bank up on some Admin points since the independence declaration tanks your stability and you need to get it back up quite quickly. 2. Claim everything you can from Sweden, don't build any forces or anything as your economy will immediately tank (1-2 troops max for point 3 below) 3. Denmark may declare on Novgorod, in that case you might want to have some troops to seize the claimed provinces for Sweden, otherwise there's a good chance Denmark takes them and you will get them much later 4. After spying on Novgorod immediately start improving relations with Poland, you will need them to beat Muscovy early on. If Lithuania breaks free Poland will probably not help you much against Muscovy. In that case try to get Lithuania to help you, although without Poland beating Muscovy will be more difficult (unless you allied Denmark and they will assist) 5. Once Sweden declares on Denmark optimally you don't do anything so that any Swedish allies have to work harder and get more war exhaustion, you only step in if it looks like Sweden might lose. Try to wait until that war is almost done and Swedish allies will not participate, although with a morale/discipline mil advisor you might still beat them anyway 6. Build your forces to force limit (which should be about 10) prior to declaring on Sweden so that you get the Finnish first mission and immediately hire the Hakkapeliitta, they hit really hard. You also need liberty desire above 50% to declare so the troops count helps. These 10+4 troops should be enough for the first three wars but it's always good to build up if your force limit increases. 7. Manpower is the biggest problem for Finland in the beginning, I suggest avoiding combat as much as possible and just siege down the Swedes with a single army, they should avoid it. Consider making your ruler a general unless he is godlike, him dying early may actually help you get your legitimacy up, which is probably low as Sweden replaced your ruling dynasty. 8. When the war is done instead of going for max land only take your claims + Stockholm and Dalaskogen. Take as much money as you can to pay off your loans 9. Ideally you end up with some land and no loans so you can take the next Finnish missions right after the war. Now ally Poland and potentially Denmark, start currying favors with Poland 10. Release Sapmi from Kainuu and immediately declare on Novgorod with reconquest CB (or your claims if Muscovy has already taken the Sapmi provinces). If Sweden took the Novgorod provinces you can also release Karelia from them already now. Again try to get at least some money to keep your economy afloat. You may want to leave the Karelia province for Novgorod and surround it so that Muscovy cannot full annex them. If Novgorod is weak enough it may be possible to vassalize them but I haven't seen it 11. After the war you could release Karelia if not done before to get Strong Duchies, then start preparing for war with Muscovy 12. Immediately when Poland will join declare on Muscovy, have them do the heavy lifting but try to siege down the fort in Novgorod and take the shore provinces. With Poland (and hopefully Lithuania) you should win unless you get greedy and split your forces so Muscovy eats them 13. When Muscovy is beaten remember to take the Novgorod province to prevent them from forming Russia. Once you vassalize Novgorod they have a lot of reconquerable provinces so there's no need to take huge tracts of land 14. By this point you should be comfortable and start picking your next targets. Livonian Order should be easy if Muscovy didn't already eat them. Keep an eye out for the Danish truce timer so that you can declare on Sweden before they do, otherwise they might take land that belongs to you (which you will get back later of course, once you fight Denmark) 15. If going towards the North Sea you will probably want to vassalize Norway and through Norway take the Lothian/Aberdeen provinces from Scotland. This will prevent England from forming GB militarily and give you a beachhead for fighting them later but may not be realistic if Scotland calls in France and you don't get England or other France's enemies to beat them down. You can of course take the Norwegian isles yourself to reach Scotland, but Norway is a useful vassal as they can colonize if they are in range of Canada. Beware not to anger England too much in the early stages, though. They may be useful allies to counter the Danish Naval power. With this path Finland should be a great power after about 30-40 years (assuming you devved up renaissance, of course) and from there you go where you want. I might suggest Quantity as the first idea group since your troops are good enough but there's not a lot of them. The manpower recovery helps a lot in the beginning as you will need to put down a bunch of rebels as well.
as for 3:30 - any subject can declare independence war if his loyalty is really bad. it has to be over 75 or something rebellious (too lazy to check) to declare this kind of war.
can you make a Riga start video ? there isnt any and other then playing extremely slow and waiting for an opportunity window after 30-40 years i cant seem to get a good start
Espionage did just get buffed and honestly it’s pretty solid. You can potentially get more siege ability than offensive with quicker spy networks and the advisor discount is pretty nice not to mention the -20% AE. They also have nice policies with some of the other more popular ideas. Definitely not as bad as it once was. Imo expansion and exploration need to be stronger. Colonies never make as much as you invest into them.
Germiyan is very similar to Hermione, so for the goal, try to conquer every province along the Rhone river. Also, as she was against elf slavery, release Ireland and Wales free.
If you don't have institution and are considered as GP, you would definitly be one of if embraced. Don't having insitution put you lower in this list, that's why Ming gets to 8th place with 1000 dev.
Try Bulgaria as releasable huehuehuehue ^^ Would like to see how you will win independence from the Otto Blob not to mention annexing them huehuehuehue ^^
What might be a better strategy generally is to get independence as Sweden first and than release and play as Finland. I guess it doesn't really comply with the rules in the series though.
So, by default, Player can declare war of independence ANYTIME. If they're at war together with overlord, they'll just leave that war and start their own war against overlord. In previous patch, AI will not declare war. They can but they won't, sort of situation. In this patch, they can and they will. Devs also said that Timurid able to prolong and even prevent the collapse by being at war all the time is kind of cheesy so they change the AI to be able to break away.
Germiyan, germ i yan, germany? form a german formable from starting as germiyan maybe? I imagine taking out the ottomans and forming Rum might get kinda repetetive so this might be a fun change. Also kinda funny cos ud be a turk migrating to germany. Could be a fun challanging one
You can't see nations which you didn't discover in ledger so there is a chance that some nations in India are bigger in terms of dev than you. You even saw that ming have 1k dev in greats power list but you didn't saw them in ledger :d
Why dont you use the FInnish mercs? They are amazing and cheap mer cav ! i was able to defeat sweden, teutons denmark on my own - declared as soon as poland started war with denmark?
honestly when starting as finland for the finish line achievement u DON"t wanna ruin Sweden. You need Sweden to fight Denmark, and during the war its time to strike. Not training regiments is not only good for your eco but it will also halt Sweden from declaring war, most of the time. So training troops when you are ready or nearly ready (5 years passed) is benificial. I said you don't wanna fck over Sweden, well you can still dev finish provinces 4 times on day 1, and getting sweden to a low crownland doesn't really fck sweden over but it makes your situation a lot easier. As low crownland will result in higher liberty desire, and for this strat you need at least 50 if you want to declare during a war. This war is still kinda tricky as you assault Sweden, Sweden will become also weaker in its own war against Denmark. So keep a close eye to that war, if denmark peaces out Sweden before you. Well you are fcked. Waiting till Sweden is independent, is usually not a good strat as sweden in general will have 2 - 3 strong allies that will stay. In general during the Swedisch independence war there are windows where allies like poland won't join. Poland/Hungary/Muscovy are countries u want to avoid fighting. England is hard but doable. I see red hawk got muscovy to back him up, that is pretty rare. Over 5 play throughs where i tried this and Muscovy never rivaled sweden accept once and that one time he still wanted my lands so no could do.
In the statistic you only see the nations you can see on the map the ones you explored Ming for example is much bigger than you in 1531, but is not shown, because you cant see them And i doubt you can say there are other nations around, for example the indians or timurid Just Saying :)
This campaign raises a few questions when it comes to the secondary goal of this series per nation: what does it mean to annex the overlord. There is the obvious question of "should the nation be full annexed only, or should it be owning all of its starting cores? What about any that they don't start with?". One new question, which might be relevant sometimes, is "should any/all starting subjects also be annexed or not?". Now, for a subject releasable, there is the added layer of "should the subject's overlord be annexed as well? What about other subjects of the ultimate overlord?". This is in reference to Denmark and Norway here
The releasable of Latgalia is the old releasable of Latvia that changed name Also, how you can have some fetishist advisor? Is something for Finland for the new DLC?
I hate that disaster, it almost forces you to take religious ideas but I don’t like them in Europe because that cb isn’t that great in Europe. At least to me.
i am real here, finland is super fun but its NOT hard ... its subjectivly easy in this dlc to play as finland i honestly think they are one of the eastiest releaseables with the super powerful missiontree and easy independence support
I don't bite it lmao The first objetctive to me wasn't accomplished, you gotta be a great power on the great power list, and have someone with colonialism on that list to be lower than you lol
3:43 you actually can declare independence while fighting another war 😳. _When you play a game 1000+ hours and still dont know anything about the game_ 😅
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Which strategy should I use as Germiyan to become a great power next time? Leave a comment here.
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standard route? so byzantium+ bulgaria could be hard, as you cant no cb byzntium at the start.....so maybe take 1 core each in the independance peace deal, block the land route and hope for rebels? though the ai seems to be more competent in this patch with naval landings so.....maybe the ottos could actually handle that?
@The Red Hawk you are now able to declare independence wars even if you are at war already. No more constant warfare to keep a disloyal subject from declaring independence. It's in the patchnotes.
Culture switch to become Germany
Own 15 provinces in Germany
I assume that if you can get past the early game you're going to do the typical feeding back cores / releasing thing to try to fully annex the Ottomans. Would be interesting to see a less normal way of doing it if there is one.
From this update onward, subjects can declare indepence even if they're at war together with the overlord. They will simply leave the current war (Novgorod war in this case)
I swear that could be done before... IDK which patch, but I have a vague memory of doing this in the past...
@@LilGamingYes You could do it, but the ai couldn't
@@anikonemethne8332 Ahh, thanks
That changes my timurid strategy a lot
Was about to comment this lol
Red Hawk: Why do people think I give off villain vibes?
Also Red Hawk: I gave the devs some ideas to buff Espionage ideas. *Evil laugh*
19:10
I was very lucky and spawned with a 6,5,6 when I played as Finland. But then Sweden did the "place dynasty on throne" interaction with me before I could do my independence war and gave me a crappy 0,3,2 :(
That is beyond tragic
you hear of the great overlord altf4 ?
@@DaxRaider that's the easy way out. Even if it's tougher it gives more of a challenge to stick it out.
Rip
They did the same thing to me. I was seething so hard about having their dynasty that killed my god tier ruler that I became a republic.
I believe Latgalia, Karelia, and Sápmi are the only new releasables (Karelia and Sápmi now have cores in 1444; they were revolter tags before). And espionage is actually pretty pog now: favor accumulation, chance to capture ships, AE impact reduction, advisor cost reduction, and siege ability are all great, and being able to quickly spy and cheaply fabricate claims is really good in the HRE.
Latgalia has a cool flag but they’re BROWN
Espionage has been decent for a while, situational for sure but not the meme it was for the longest time.
@@Xictlii Should be blood red for obvious reasons.
@@Oujouj426 but their flag is blue, Livonia imo should be blue and latgalia should be red
@@Xictlii They took the flag from the modern region, the coat of arms is virtually the same, which is fine since it's bloody difficult finding pre-crusades flags or flag-alternatives. I'd say don't change the Livonian colour, it looks nice and there's no "more appropriate" colour due to it being so alt-history. Latgalia's brown is the only thing that needs changing.
and once again, Hawk sold crownlands for 0 ducats. I will point this out every single time, until he waits a month.
3:09 since the newest patch subjects can declare independence even if their overlord is at war. Subject automatically peace out in overlords war. It is not a scripted mission, happens to all countries.
I think vassals can declare independence even when you're at war now, not sure though...
They can, just did it in a sirhind game.
yep, it was in the patch notes even i think
They always could actually, but the AI wouldn’t do it in the past
Latgalia replaces Latvia as the Latvian primary nation. Karelia and Sápmi both received cores in 1444 in this update. Those are the only new ones I’ve seen so far. Enjoying this series a lot
just a small correction - not Latvia, but Livonia. and Livonia is now a formable nation
20:58 You missed Ming when counting since you can't see them yet so they're not on your ledger. There could also be more nations you can't see that have more dev than you. Bahmanis, Vijayanagar, Timurids etc. I couldn't think of a certain way to determine if you're a "real" great power when you can't see everyone. Maybe count institution penalties as well but make your goal to be top 3 great power (or 4 or 5 or...) there would be no hustle determining then. :)
Finland is smaller than i thought when released, lol.
Same
Finns were basicly only the western parts, north was sami and east karelians.
@@oskari7953 even Åbo's culture (and name) is Swedish at start.
@@jormun Which would be incorrect, since majority of the urban population and the surrounding countryside was inhabited by Finns. There's accounts from the early 1600s, where Östland (Finland), and even Turku, are written as these foreign and barbaric places by officials who went to govern there from the Swedish "mainland". The first governor-general of Finland and the first president of the Court of Turku, Nils Turesson Bielke, resigned from his position of governor-general due to, among other things, not knowing Finnish. He also viewed Finland as a barbaric and foreign place, which is probably why he didn't learn the language. The Bishop of Turku, Isaacus Rothovius, wrote that during his time in Finland, he perceived himself to be "surrounded by barbarians and scorpions". Swedification of the nobility and local population didn't become widespread until the 1700s, although it did take place before on a lesser scale. There's also the issue of how Swedish documentation worked and identifying who was "Finnish" or "Swedish" linguistically and culturally. Western Finns didn't have their own old surname system, unlike eastern Finns, so son/daughter surnames were widespread like in Sweden, but those surnames were in a Finnish form in day to day life and in informal situations. Swedish documents however translated these names into Swedish, for example someone named Maununpoika would be Månsson in Swedish documents, even if they spoke Finnish as their primary language and went by Maunupoika instead of the Swedish version their entire life. It also didn't help that previously native Finnish first names were also being replaced by Latin/Christian derived names.
Nice, back with the releasable series..was very much looking forward to it..specially finland after the new dlc dropping.
As a Turk, I can give u an information about how Ottomans got Beylik of Germiyan without a hassle, they got it from like a wedding present (im keeping it very short) and I think for the RP, you should declare War while having Royal ties with them
17:05 I think Latgalia replaced Livonia as the main tag of Latvian culture since Livonia is a new formable now.
This is awesome! Have been waiting for a good Finland video. Great video. Question tho, why did you not go for the Finland Achievement?
Hope you enjoy it!
@@TheRedHawk Bro didn't answer the question 💀
Because it would take too long
Didn't espionage already get a buff? I have to say I have been trying it and aristo+espionage =cav go brrr is really fun. Also the siege modify and the favor growth from espio is really useful
I don't think that "countries" list takes into account development of countries you don't know. For example Ming was number 8 great power, but did not appear in that countries list
As a Finnish Karelian, can't wait for Karelia.
East Karelian here, agreed
I'd need to see how they calculate the odds of a general dying in combat, but it could be that the overhauled combat system makes it MORE likely, even if they never touched Generals themselves.
how did you go from -3 stab in 1463 to +3 and +240 admin mana in 1470?
20:20 But what about Ming missing in the list, since you can't see them yet?
That Finnish mission tree is horribly short compared to any other lions of the north nation.
Well Finland is releasable unlike other nations that got mission tree in this update
As is expected for a releasable. Well, the vast majority of releasables have fuck all for missions, so it's better than most releasables, actually.
What a cursed start
A fun campaign overall but I would probably not try to do it myself lol
Also I hope you'll do a guide for the teutonic order soon !
For me this patch the Burgundian Succession seems to happen within 10 to 15 years every campaign now, just like in this playthrough of yours as well. Kind of bizarre, I'm sure its a coincidence but man it sure is a weird one, lol.
And yeah my generals have died crazy fast too, today I had three die within like a year.
They changed the subjects can't declare war while at war along side overlord in 1.34
As a lot of people have said, subjects can now declare independence when at war, but to build on that I think you have to be at more than 50 liberty desire to do it
Subject nations can declare an independence war even though their overlord is at war. They changed it since 1.34. and if you would keep your generals in the army they would die faster. İf you are not at the war just don't use them at all.
Certified Suomen tasavalta moment
Kekkonen, Kekkonen, Kekkonen...
Kekkosslovakia! 😄
I tried Finland just 2 days ago. Had to restart a handful of times because of failed independence wars. But once I succeeded with that it was more or less a regular playthrough.
I had a few scary wars with Muscovy/Russia (with their Ottoman ally). Stacking attrition modifiers makes you feel a lot more safe. I went defensive as my first idea group and it worked out very well.
To get the last mission you can just conscript a large amount of troops temporarily to reach 100k.
What would be cool would be a new Austria guide because now there's a new interaction: Invite to Empire.
austria with espionage ideas can just diplo vassailize the entire HRE
I wanna hear your ideas for Espionage ideas. I really like that group despite it being underpowered, I would love to see it upgraded.
Finland on very hard is a different experience. one of my favorite nations. ideas are just great
>kind of want to stay friendly with Muscovy
Finlandization irl y’all
Seeing AI England send 40k troops to Lithuania in the 15th century is something I never thought I'd see
I did the "Crossing the Finnish Line" achievement already a year back but just recently got back to playing as Finland. If starting "properly" by playing as Finland from day one the start is so RNG heavy that expect multiple restarts to get the conditions right (good rivals for Denmark i.e. no Poland or Muscovy but still enough for Sweden to win and high initial liberty desire for Sweden). I wrote a short recipe for how I currently start the game off, the goal is to knock out your three neighbours (Sweden, Novgorod, and Muscovy) within the first 20-30 years so that you are safe and can start focusing on snowballing. This is pretty much cut&paste from my comment to another Finland video on TH-cam:
Nowadays declaring Finnish independence is easier as you can do it while Sweden is still fighting Denmark but it's best to wait until that war is close to being decided so that Sweden doesn't collapse before you can break free. The Swedish declaration should happen somewhere around 1452-1455 or it will probably never happen and you get re-annexed.
This has been my recipe for getting the Finnish snowball going from 1444:
0. Your first three wars will probably be Sweden, Novgorod, and Muscovy in quick succession, so always prepare for the next one ahead of time. After those three wars the player's paths may diverge depending on opportunities.
1. Immediately start spying on Denmark and Novgorod (hostile trading in Novgorod and Lübeck helps a lot), from Novgorod claim the Priozersk and Karelia provinces, you get claims for the rest from the first Finnish mission. Set focus to Mil so that you get quality troops early. Probably not worth hiring a Mil advisor yet, unless you get one for half cost. Your starting ruler will almost always get replaced by Sweden around 1449 so don't put too much faith in whoever you had at the start. You may want to bank up on some Admin points since the independence declaration tanks your stability and you need to get it back up quite quickly.
2. Claim everything you can from Sweden, don't build any forces or anything as your economy will immediately tank (1-2 troops max for point 3 below)
3. Denmark may declare on Novgorod, in that case you might want to have some troops to seize the claimed provinces for Sweden, otherwise there's a good chance Denmark takes them and you will get them much later
4. After spying on Novgorod immediately start improving relations with Poland, you will need them to beat Muscovy early on. If Lithuania breaks free Poland will probably not help you much against Muscovy. In that case try to get Lithuania to help you, although without Poland beating Muscovy will be more difficult (unless you allied Denmark and they will assist)
5. Once Sweden declares on Denmark optimally you don't do anything so that any Swedish allies have to work harder and get more war exhaustion, you only step in if it looks like Sweden might lose. Try to wait until that war is almost done and Swedish allies will not participate, although with a morale/discipline mil advisor you might still beat them anyway
6. Build your forces to force limit (which should be about 10) prior to declaring on Sweden so that you get the Finnish first mission and immediately hire the Hakkapeliitta, they hit really hard. You also need liberty desire above 50% to declare so the troops count helps. These 10+4 troops should be enough for the first three wars but it's always good to build up if your force limit increases.
7. Manpower is the biggest problem for Finland in the beginning, I suggest avoiding combat as much as possible and just siege down the Swedes with a single army, they should avoid it. Consider making your ruler a general unless he is godlike, him dying early may actually help you get your legitimacy up, which is probably low as Sweden replaced your ruling dynasty.
8. When the war is done instead of going for max land only take your claims + Stockholm and Dalaskogen. Take as much money as you can to pay off your loans
9. Ideally you end up with some land and no loans so you can take the next Finnish missions right after the war. Now ally Poland and potentially Denmark, start currying favors with Poland
10. Release Sapmi from Kainuu and immediately declare on Novgorod with reconquest CB (or your claims if Muscovy has already taken the Sapmi provinces). If Sweden took the Novgorod provinces you can also release Karelia from them already now. Again try to get at least some money to keep your economy afloat. You may want to leave the Karelia province for Novgorod and surround it so that Muscovy cannot full annex them. If Novgorod is weak enough it may be possible to vassalize them but I haven't seen it
11. After the war you could release Karelia if not done before to get Strong Duchies, then start preparing for war with Muscovy
12. Immediately when Poland will join declare on Muscovy, have them do the heavy lifting but try to siege down the fort in Novgorod and take the shore provinces. With Poland (and hopefully Lithuania) you should win unless you get greedy and split your forces so Muscovy eats them
13. When Muscovy is beaten remember to take the Novgorod province to prevent them from forming Russia. Once you vassalize Novgorod they have a lot of reconquerable provinces so there's no need to take huge tracts of land
14. By this point you should be comfortable and start picking your next targets. Livonian Order should be easy if Muscovy didn't already eat them. Keep an eye out for the Danish truce timer so that you can declare on Sweden before they do, otherwise they might take land that belongs to you (which you will get back later of course, once you fight Denmark)
15. If going towards the North Sea you will probably want to vassalize Norway and through Norway take the Lothian/Aberdeen provinces from Scotland. This will prevent England from forming GB militarily and give you a beachhead for fighting them later but may not be realistic if Scotland calls in France and you don't get England or other France's enemies to beat them down. You can of course take the Norwegian isles yourself to reach Scotland, but Norway is a useful vassal as they can colonize if they are in range of Canada. Beware not to anger England too much in the early stages, though. They may be useful allies to counter the Danish Naval power.
With this path Finland should be a great power after about 30-40 years (assuming you devved up renaissance, of course) and from there you go where you want. I might suggest Quantity as the first idea group since your troops are good enough but there's not a lot of them. The manpower recovery helps a lot in the beginning as you will need to put down a bunch of rebels as well.
Give Zaporizhzhia a try - a republic with raze mechanics.
It'll show up at some point
Cossackia time
Releasable Roulette! This is the name you’ve been looking for.
i think sámi would be harder than finland
subjects being able to declare independence during wars is going to be such a pain in the ass
Every 1.34 run for me so far (I've not done Poland yet) has been making sure my allies scare Muscovy from fighting me
as for 3:30 - any subject can declare independence war if his loyalty is really bad. it has to be over 75 or something rebellious (too lazy to check) to declare this kind of war.
*patrick star voice*
FIN-LAND
Poor Aland. Can't escape Finland even in video games. xD
It's a new update that honestly makes a lot of sense
can you make a Riga start video ? there isnt any and other then playing extremely slow and waiting for an opportunity window after 30-40 years i cant seem to get a good start
Unique missions and mechanics - insert *sadSapminoises*
Hey redhawk, what were your suggestions / ideas for espionage changes? I'm curious what you think
Great video as always Hawk. I have a question tho. Why do you still have the old estate system with only 4 privileges?
Espionage did just get buffed and honestly it’s pretty solid. You can potentially get more siege ability than offensive with quicker spy networks and the advisor discount is pretty nice not to mention the -20% AE. They also have nice policies with some of the other more popular ideas. Definitely not as bad as it once was. Imo expansion and exploration need to be stronger. Colonies never make as much as you invest into them.
Finland's tree is pretty cool, but i'm kinda sad they didn't make another tree for Estonia.
Suomi mainittu, torille tavataan! 😄❤
Espionage already got buffed this patch hawk o.o
Germiyan is very similar to Hermione, so for the goal, try to conquer every province along the Rhone river. Also, as she was against elf slavery, release Ireland and Wales free.
I was about to tell the ongoing war & independence war thing and saw a thousand guys already told it. +1 then
If you don't have institution and are considered as GP, you would definitly be one of if embraced. Don't having insitution put you lower in this list, that's why Ming gets to 8th place with 1000 dev.
5:33 POV you're an Indian being shipped to North-Africa to fight Germans in WW2
Try Bulgaria as releasable huehuehuehue ^^ Would like to see how you will win independence from the Otto Blob not to mention annexing them huehuehuehue ^^
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Hmm Denmark is also your overlord, possibly could have forced them to give their German cores back to whoever
What might be a better strategy generally is to get independence as Sweden first and than release and play as Finland. I guess it doesn't really comply with the rules in the series though.
To offend everyone is to be Finland with Swedish as the primary culture.
Hawk’s mis-clicks make this ADHD gamer very proud
denmark was the overlord of your overlord, fullannexing them should have been the third goal
Day 1 of asking Red Hawk to play as Isle of Mann in Eu4 releasables
Negative prestige tanks reputation with your allies. That's probably why Muscovy broke their alliance
You were actually 8th great power because Ming wasn't shown in ledger(You haven't discovered it)
Is there any countries that are a subject of a subject of a subject? This reminds me of CK2, when your civil war has their own civil war. lol
Espionage ideas are good now, no need to buff that
You might be way better than me, but even I know you NEVER give land to Muscovy.
So, by default, Player can declare war of independence ANYTIME. If they're at war together with overlord, they'll just leave that war and start their own war against overlord. In previous patch, AI will not declare war. They can but they won't, sort of situation. In this patch, they can and they will. Devs also said that Timurid able to prolong and even prevent the collapse by being at war all the time is kind of cheesy so they change the AI to be able to break away.
I am convinced Estonia and Kazakh are actually impossible.
You forgot Ming 😂
Germiyan, germ i yan, germany? form a german formable from starting as germiyan maybe?
I imagine taking out the ottomans and forming Rum might get kinda repetetive so this might be a fun change. Also kinda funny cos ud be a turk migrating to germany. Could be a fun challanging one
Russia would not be hostile over karelia but fine with you holding Neva lol
You can't see nations which you didn't discover in ledger so there is a chance that some nations in India are bigger in terms of dev than you. You even saw that ming have 1k dev in greats power list but you didn't saw them in ledger :d
Is breaking royal marriages the new accidental no CB
Why dont you use the FInnish mercs? They are amazing and cheap mer cav !
i was able to defeat sweden, teutons denmark on my own - declared as soon as poland started war with denmark?
My good generals die quickly, my useless ones live 100 years >:(
This is a certified Torille!-moment
honestly when starting as finland for the finish line achievement u DON"t wanna ruin Sweden. You need Sweden to fight Denmark, and during the war its time to strike. Not training regiments is not only good for your eco but it will also halt Sweden from declaring war, most of the time. So training troops when you are ready or nearly ready (5 years passed) is benificial.
I said you don't wanna fck over Sweden, well you can still dev finish provinces 4 times on day 1, and getting sweden to a low crownland doesn't really fck sweden over but it makes your situation a lot easier. As low crownland will result in higher liberty desire, and for this strat you need at least 50 if you want to declare during a war.
This war is still kinda tricky as you assault Sweden, Sweden will become also weaker in its own war against Denmark. So keep a close eye to that war, if denmark peaces out Sweden before you. Well you are fcked. Waiting till Sweden is independent, is usually not a good strat as sweden in general will have 2 - 3 strong allies that will stay. In general during the Swedisch independence war there are windows where allies like poland won't join. Poland/Hungary/Muscovy are countries u want to avoid fighting. England is hard but doable.
I see red hawk got muscovy to back him up, that is pretty rare. Over 5 play throughs where i tried this and Muscovy never rivaled sweden accept once and that one time he still wanted my lands so no could do.
What about formables you have only done a-z and realisables
Day 2 of asking Redhawk for a knights guide
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Sup
In the statistic you only see the nations you can see on the map
the ones you explored
Ming for example is much bigger than you in 1531, but is not shown, because you cant see them
And i doubt you can say there are other nations around, for example the indians or timurid
Just Saying :)
This campaign raises a few questions when it comes to the secondary goal of this series per nation: what does it mean to annex the overlord. There is the obvious question of "should the nation be full annexed only, or should it be owning all of its starting cores? What about any that they don't start with?". One new question, which might be relevant sometimes, is "should any/all starting subjects also be annexed or not?". Now, for a subject releasable, there is the added layer of "should the subject's overlord be annexed as well? What about other subjects of the ultimate overlord?". This is in reference to Denmark and Norway here
Can someone enlighten me on how he had several fetishist advisors?
I feel like thatsocialstreamer more gooder start than yours, or maybe am wrong?
Better
I think Hawk had the better start
you talking about sweden declaring independence just tells me you did NOT reach the patch notes
hello
Hawk, you play as Finland the Russians should be afraid of you not the opposite. They tried to invade irl and we all know how that ended.
The releasable of Latgalia is the old releasable of Latvia that changed name
Also, how you can have some fetishist advisor? Is something for Finland for the new DLC?
FORM GERMANY AS GERMIYAN
I hate that disaster, it almost forces you to take religious ideas but I don’t like them in Europe because that cb isn’t that great in Europe. At least to me.
i am real here, finland is super fun but its NOT hard ... its subjectivly easy in this dlc to play as finland i honestly think they are one of the eastiest releaseables with the super powerful missiontree and easy independence support
No one would be upset with you if you wanted to do a little nation ruining. Or in this case break free of Sweden first. I mean Denmark
No MANNERHEIM in the thumb? Sad day!
Ah yes I definitely knew who that was before I googled it just now
I don't bite it lmao
The first objetctive to me wasn't accomplished, you gotta be a great power on the great power list, and have someone with colonialism on that list to be lower than you lol
3:43 you actually can declare independence while fighting another war 😳.
_When you play a game 1000+ hours and still dont know anything about the game_ 😅
To be fair to you, that was only added in the most recent patch; before PUs couldn't
23:42 cheats
Finland doesn't exist in 1444 nor has it ever existed. Pretty sure you made it up just for this video.