If you follow FSU history, you’ll find FSU wanted to be in the SEC in the 60’s, 70’s and 80s, repeatedly asking for admission and repeatedly being denied. In the 90s, the ACC came knocking and the SEC had a change of heart but didn’t like the look of being guilded and withdrew their offer and has since denied making the offer that FSU refused. The SEC has a history of teasing and tormenting FSU and as such longtime FSU faithful hate the SEC. I personally love the idea of being in the Big 10 and hope FSU lands there, being in the SEC seems unnatural at this point.
I just don't see FSU fitting in well in the B10. Oddly enough, I have liked FSU and viewed them as a perfect ACC type team. It's sad the ACC has clowns running it. Either way, thanks for the history on the SEC and FSU
@@mr.ohiostate2544 Just a reminder that FSU and the other football members pushed for the additions of the old BIGEAST schools over some level of T-Road objections, all of which have failed to meet expectations. T-Road hasn't run the ACC for decades. I'll add that thus far, the B1G has only expanded with schools in which the SEC had no (or no serious) interest. The ACC depletion will be a different matter, so to where the top scatters will evidence the attractiveness of both P2s relative to each other.
FSU alum here… no desire for the SEC, boring games we’ve already played for decades. The BIG10 would be amazing, FSU vs Ohio State, USC, Michigan… awesome matchups!
As a USC fan I have a cousin who's a huge Florida state fan. I would love to make a trip to Doak Campbell with my cousin to take in the experience of Chief Osceola and War paint. Sorry if I misspelled Osceola
As a Clemson fan, it’s a no brainer, Big 10. First, better payout, and that’s what this is all about. Two, a true national conference vs a regional one, I’d rather be in the Big 10. Third, no one is really talking about this, but the stability and sustainability of the major TV partners. The SEC has ESPN. I know streaming is definitely the future, but there’s still millions of homes at this point that use free or cable/satellite. ESPN offers no free, and because they are struggling financially, there’s a lot of talk that they will be a streaming only platform in the next 2-3 years. The Big 10 has three partners, Fox, CBS, and NBC. All three offer free, cable/satellite, and streaming. The Big 10 is also a no brainer academically. Everything Clemson has been doing the past few years as far as academics, athletics, and direction points to AAU accreditation. Their investment into research has gone up exponentially recently. No disrespect to the SEC, they have some great schools like Vanderbilt and Florida, but as a whole there’s no comparison when it comes to academics. I just hope Clemson not having AAU accreditation doesn’t disqualify them from being offered an invitation to the Big 10. If the SEC is their only option, I’d take it, much better than the current option, but I would be highly disappointed at losing out on the Big 10. Just my opinion on this. I think the powers that be at Clemson definitely are Big 10 all the way if they have a choice. Sports boosters and fans of Clemson are the opposite, although those on the Rivals sports private message which I’m a member are warming up to the Big 10. Fingers crossed 🤞 for a Big 10 invitation.
a) CLEMSON would likely wane on a B1G island worse than FSU. CLEMSON historically has low brand inertia, but SEC opponents would mitigate that. As a UNC fan/alum, I no longer care about what happens to FSU and UNC should be fine in either P2, but I would hate to see CLEMSON wither in the B1G. b) AAU and high academic standing are institutional culture and mission things. If CLEMSON has not changed either after decades being associated with UVA et. al., I just don't see it happening now.
@@marcjohnson8488 ~Sigh~ a) When it looked like UNC was near certain to pick the B1G, I wanted FSU to come along as a rival. b) Since UNC is now strongly leaning SEC and FSU has foolishly gone scorched earth, I no longer care. FSU to the B1G is a win/win for UNC. Please stop projecting with your accusations of lying.
Excellent points. As the title of the video notes, it’s FSU and Clemson’s choice where they end up in the P2. SEC media hacks are in full on spin mode knowing that FSU and Clemson will land in the B1G leaving them with the Tobacco Road scraps. Future looking bright for the Noles and Tigers! 💪
@tedharris8244 Wanna bet? Let me say it loud and clear. When you have Alford the AD taking trips to Birmingham Al. Give me a call. He isn't flying to Chicago for his health. We are not building an $88 million medical research building for the SEC. We have not increased our R/D budget for the SEC. President McCullough clear objective is to make FSU the flagship university in Florida. Joining the SEC will not accomplish this goal. We are not joining the SEC to be the red-headed step child.
FSU has always preferred the BIG. The reason is not what those of us watching this might expect- they want to be part of the BIG research consortium. To FSU that’s just as if not more important than the athletics.
I can see some truth in this. The BTAA is not really material, but the B1G's academic branding is. FSU is not a legacy academic (nor athletic) brand, and the SEC is a downgrade in academic association. FSU may feel that improvements are at risk. UTAH is in a similar situation.
@@encycl07pedia- Clearly you [can't] identify a lie and likely don't know what a "lie" is. What I've come to expect from the majority of FSU defenders.
As a Penn State Football fan, I would definitely enjoy watching Florida State and Clemson come to the Big 10 with Notre Dame, Miami (FL), North Carolina, and either/or Georgia Tech or Virginia. I also believe Florida State's beef with the SEC and ESPN/Disney plays a significant role in the Seminoles turning to the Big 10 Conference, BTN/Fox Sports, NBC Sports, and CBS Sports in an increased revenue stream for Florida State University. Also, Florida State University and the Tallahassee Chamber of Commerce know they can receive more money from the Big 10's role in the AAU Research and Development and the Military Industrial Complex, which will increase the overall academic and athletic departments values.
these are the most stupid comments. why wouldn't they want them. They are big money brands that draw eyeballs and create TV revenue. they are in great areas for recruiting. there is also the business aspect of market share. taking them kills the ACC meaning it's now a P2 of 3 instead of a P2 of 4. It kills competition. Just ridiculous.
I see Florida State and Miami and Clemson. Been saying it for like over half a year or longer now. Why? 1) They want out of the ACC/ESPN contract 2) They have big time athletic/football brands 3) Location, location, location - in areas The Big Ten isn’t yet, areas with growing populations and viewers and recruits 4) All 3 are good enough academically and research-wise. 5) Those areas have many Big Ten Country transplants or snowbirds who add to the views. I see adding Notre Dame to those 3, then up to 2 more likely out West, like a Utah or Stanford or Kansas. Or, if they don’t go West again, how about adding North Carolina and North Carolina State?
As long as Miami comes in at some point with the South Benders then I'm fine stopping at 22. I think it'd be a mistake for the B1G not to lock down Florida simply because of grabbing what's available in the moment. FSU is a no brainer but I'm not a fan of getting Clemson.
@@paulclifton655 Miami is perfect for Big 10. It's a brand that draws eyeballs, it's in big market, in in very good recruiting area. It's homerun. Why the hell wouldn't you want Miami. What you think let the Big 12 pick them up and elevate UCF brand and make themselves real player in that market when you can get 2 of the 3 powers for yourself. makes no sense at all considering Florida recruiting and Miami recruiting either. Even if Miami is bad having them in the conference can help a team like Penn State or Nebraska go down their and recruit those kids.
North Carolina, apparently is married to North Carolina State. So you can't take one without the other. I don't think neither the SEC or B1G is interested in acquiring both.
a) They aren't married. b) I suspect the SEC will take both to secure UNC. c) If that poison pill keeps UNC from picking the B1G over the SEC, I'm more than good with that.
Exactly right - Triangle schools are stuck in the glue that is Tobacco Road self-delusion. They made their bed a long time ago. No surprise that UNC coverage has dropped off the past few days and focus is on FSU/Clemson. Along with ND, they hold the real cards in realignment. Triangle schools will land somewhere as an afterthought.
@@LoCoVANole Delusional.... UNC is the biggest domino remaining that would have material ripple effects. ND remaining indy just means the B1G keeping a slot (or 2) open. I do maintain that MIAMI has allied with ND for a coattail effort.
Good for any school. Big ten tv contracts are the best in the country. Big ten is very competitive in all sports. Not many cupcakes and give me games. It makes sense for all. Big ten get southern exposure also
Personally, I would like the final six to be: ND, FSU, Miami, Arizona St., Clemson and Stanford (ND may require a landing spot for the Cardinal). Then go to 11 conference games and a conference playoff.
Go for it.... #2s on B1G islands surrounded by SEC competition with better schedules, recruiting, and demos. There's a reason why the SEC will eagerly cede CLEMSON, FSU & MIAMI for the two flagships and why it appears that it is no longer protecting ND independence.
@@LoCoVANole UNC is already standing taller. FSU doesn't see this but CLEMSON does. Both will wither some on B1G islands. Learn from the MARYLAND experience.
@@LoCoVANole Ignoring unreasonable political interference, UNC has more options and will always stand taller than FSU. The SEC and B1G will most likely always save room for UNC, FSU is the B1G's backup plan. You always example FSU's problem, namely that it doesn't recognize and respect peers. I defended FSU for a long time during this story, but the scorched earth tactics changed that.
“SEC has no interest” is rank spin. Paul Finebaum (August 2023): “If you look at Clemson and Florida State, there are no two better fits in the world to the SEC than those two,” Finebaum said on First Take. “I mean they’ve won national championships in the last 10 years. They recruit at the highest level. They have good coaches. They have phenomenal traditions. And they’re both in states with SEC schools.”
Paul Finebaum (Sep 2023): "Although I think of the three schools that matter in the ACC, I think FSU is at the bottom of the most desired, favored nation list. What I keep hearing from people is that nobody in the league that matters liked what they did at that board of trustees meeting and they felt like, do you want to invite a group that, you know, has an 'Animal House' toga party right in the middle (of realignment) for everybody to see on Facebook Live? And that really went down poorly. I know I don’t think anyone really thought that was a great idea. But I think at least in the moment, it hurt FSU. And I think another thing - and this is where North Carolina shines - is that I really think the SEC likes the idea of these prominent, premier state universities, like Oklahoma, like Texas, like Florida, like the University of North Carolina."
@@LoCoVANole Just pitiful.... FSU is amateur, but even it eventually realized that the SEC had low interest and falling. We'll know for sure if FSU lands in the BIG12 or is forced to take a phased in share. Would have been so much better for FSU to have accepted its priority and worked to strengthen options.
@@tarheel7406 will worry about what it looked like after we’re gone. UNC should be great full for opening the exit door. Everyone look, it’s a talking goat😲
@@tarheel7406 So what happening between you duke & nc state. Are you married, divorcing or what? Who got cheated on? UNC should be great full for FSU opening the door to more money as long as your own politicians don’t get in the way. Good luck with that. Everyone look!!! A talking goat🤭
He's saying that FSU and Clemson is the best fit in the Big 10 but you're right the Big 10 has to want them and I don't think they do. Neither one is in the AAU and the Big 10 has better options that are in the AAU.
I maintain that the B1G's top priorities are ND, UVA & UNC. While all three remain outside of the P2, would the B1G just wait to keep 4 slots open (including a slot for ND's demanded +1)?
@@tarheel7406 That's a good question. I think if the ACC implodes the Big 10 and SEC would act quickly. The schools that I see adding value are Clemson, NC , GT, FSU, Miami and UVA. Not sure how they will they will get split up. I also think ND has a spot in Big 10 whenever they're ready
@@ronwilde1595 It would be foolish for the SEC and B1G to not be prepared to invite all schools that are of high interest to both as soon as each became willing/able to accept. I can't see any school in that position being willing to wait very long for the other to make its offer nor be willing to accept a partial share. I'm near 100% certain that UNC confirmed pending invites from both as a Plan B soon after the TX/OK news, with details revised as the story has progressed. ND has also had a standing from the B1G. The rest are likely contingent on how these 2 and other schools scatter.
I would be in favor of that to not only bring Clemson, and FSU on board but also a couple of others from the ACC that way you keep many of those regional and traditional rivalries intact as well
I can't see a scenario where the schools are the ones getting to choose. The SEC, as the dominant league, will decide if it wants them. If not, they'll go to the second-best league, the Big 10, to avoid being forced to be in another league, which will be considered the new mid-majors in the new era.
The P2 will have the brand gravity to remain stable but will sub-divide regionally. The Tier 2s will not have such gravity, and the BIG12 is already too large/wide.
@@gforce55 There's a chance that after the Tier 1 consolidates to ~48 teams total that a new western and a new eastern conference are created, but I doubt it. EDIT: If these "new" conferences could retain the rights to "PAC" and "ACC", it would be more likely.
I have always wanted FSU to be in the Big Ten and have enjoyed watching past FSU and Big Ten games .... also have family members who are Buckeyes and one Nittany Lion... Can't wait for FSU to join this awesome national conference 🪓🔥
If this is true about the SEC, I wonder what kind of a deal FSU and Clemson can expect to get. If Fox only adds half shares for each program for the remainder of the contract, will these teams be happy making half of what Northwestern and Rutgers make?
@@tarheel7406 The shares will be what the Fox, CBS and NBC will think they're worth. I don't see any current B1G schools taking a pay cut to bring in FSU or Clemson. What do they teel Oregon or Washington that are only getting a half share for the current contract?
@@jojowhite9296 a) The networks decide what they are willing to pay the conference for expansions and the conferences decide what to pay the expansions. CAL+2 aren't getting the full pro rata the ESPN is paying the ACC. b) Not sure what you're asking regarding WASH/ORE.
USC and UCLA were added to the B1G at the start of the media deal, like Wa\Or any ACC teams would be added afterwards, so it's not comparable.@@tarheel7406
@@tarheel7406What they are saying is Anything over half shares and the west coast schools would probably vote no on expansion. I mean why would they vote yes? So if all four vote no, they would need just one more school to block expansion all together since schools need 75%+ votes to be accepted. I highly doubt it would ever come to that though, the Presidents are smart enough to see that coming a mile away and will most likely limit any new additions at half shares, such as Wa/Or got.
GT is a better 'fit' for B1G than Clem. GT is the better academic and TV fit. Purdue needs another engineering school, ATL is a prized 'eyes' market and GT brings more Grant and research $$$. UNC, GT, Mia and FSU
Michigan, USC, UCLA, Maryland… do you get ATL with GT? If not, got engineering covered. Grant and research add would be nice but UW added a bunch. FSU, Miami would be my rather. Would love for AM to leave SEC for B1G. Texas region and ND would be the only reason I would go past 20.
What does “TV fit” mean? Is your assertion that GT sports draws a larger television audience than Clemson sports? If not, then what could it possibly mean when you assert that GT has a better “TV fit”?
You're 100 percent right about GT. So many people don't understand that it's about the biggest TV markets and not better football programs. Also anyone who says AAU membership isn't important doesn't know what they're talking about. Clemson isn't and GT is a member.
@@UNCGRAD0647 the OP said B1G needed to add schools in addition to Purdue. That is why I did not mention them. Folks defending Purdue didn’t attend Purdue, I hope. I get the defensiveness though.
It’s over for the SEC if Florida state and Clemson go B1G. Big 10 is main conference in New York, LA, and Chicago. SEC can’t compete with B1G market size.
First off I don’t think they’re choosing anyone. I think it’s who will take them. That title of this video makes it sound like FSU & Clemson have the upper hand 😆 they will take anything they can get.
The SEC will take Florida State because they have to keep their ratio of teams that have maroon as a school color at 40% of the conference. Also, the SEC will compulsively have to take Clemson. They’re not enough tigers in the conference.😊
I have a better idea. Instead of doing a huge payoff, let Clemson and Florida State stay in the ACC, but give them extra money when they play the Big Ten & SEC. We do this every time we play those tiny schools. This would give the money directly to Clemson and Florida St. and let the other schools suffer with their meager income from the ACC contract.
Interesting.... Some generic payment may be covered by conference level contracts; however, giving 100% of the gate to a visiting CLEMSON or FSU may work.
SEC not going after FSU because they already have UF is silly. Florida is the 3rd largest state. You take both schools. Clemson is the more valuable school in SC. I don't buy the SEC not being interested. UNC is a wildcard because I don't think they're leaving
"Not interested" is likely a relative term. In reality, the SEC has no interest in expanding until UNC is secured (or perhaps lost). After that, the SEC will revisit.
@@encycl07pedia- Do you even listen to the reporters, etc. that are covering the ACC angle? Often they will primarily discuss FSU and CLEMSON, but still almost always note that UNC (and often UVA) are actually the top targets. One can call that a "blurb". Not much news on ND either, but it is also one of the top actual dominos. Just delusional.
@@jcfilms4433 ESPN rents conferences. So many of you continue to think statically and from within the dying P5 world. ESPN would clearly like to ride out its deeply discounted ACC deal, but we seem to be operating under the assumption that isn't an option.
Neither conference want them, after seeing them raise hell to get out the acc because they want money. Fs been trying for 5 years but did not succeed. Pay the money it's the only way out. No one like a cry baby.
Im sure espn will put up little fight and allow fsu and clemson to go to the B1G which is owned by FOX. No biggie. Im sure FOX wont mind paying an additional $140m a year for a Northwestern v fsu matchup. Sounds like amazing business plan.😂😂😂
lol. Alabama, Georgia, and LSU are the only SEC teams worth mentioning. There's a reason the past 9 (!!!) SEC Championships have involved two of Alabama or LSU vs. Florida or Georgia, save a Georgia-Auburn matchup in that time period. The SEC is full of Northwesterns.
@@encycl07pedia- i agree with you...both sec and big are top heavy and are boring to watch. I havent watch a bigten game in years and only a few sec games
As an SEC fan, my preference has always been for North Carolina and Kansas. Already in South Carolina and Florida, and the basketball would be amazing.
Ya'll talking about all this nonsense about FSU and Clemson to the little 10 is just laughable. Anyone with any common sense knows that both of them are headed to the SEC because no way does the ESPN let their biggest TV viewership numbers in the ACC just freely go to the little 10 without one hell of a fight to keep them by sliding them into the SEC.
ESPN only cares about the remaining terms of its existing contracts and maintaining relationships for the next deals. The conferences care about forever. What's laughable is thinking that a conference that is relatively secure for the foreseeable future will make a short-term decision at the expense of the much longer-term.
@@tedharris8244 One can't teach a pig to sing. Neither the SEC nor B1G is going to make a forever decision just to please their current broadcast partners. The broadcasters only advise as to the effects of an expansion and either agree or not to finance immediately. The conferences decide if an expansion will finance itself over the long-term. It's okay, it's common to laugh at things one doesn't understand.
@@tedharris8244 Apparently not. Dogs wag tails, not the reverse. I will acknowledge that broadcaster objections may delay an action or cause inaction, but conferences will not act just because a broadcaster wants.
Why would Clemson state that there is no genuine issue of material fact? That seems the last thing that they would want to do. It is Clemson who wants to try the case in front of the judge, not the ACC. I think that this invites a motion for summary judgement by the ACC that should be successful, if it is really true that there is no genuine issue of material fact. This a state, not a federal case, although I assume that this is not a jury trial question in South Carolina.
According to sources, the SEC does not want FSU or Clemson but Carolina and Virginia. I really don't know if having their footprint in the southeast will really help recruiting for the majority of the B1G. A lot of the schools are cold and remote.
Why is this news? The reporting and analysis have been rather consistent since Day 1 of this story, the SEC's top expansion targets are UVA/UNC and that CLEMSON/FSU are disposable. The SEC will eagerly cede CLEMSON, FSU and MIAMI to secure the two flagships. What has been (and is now) news is a) FSU finally recognizing the realties and switching focus to the B1G and b) the B1G perhaps having a legit interest in CLEMSON.
@@tarheel7406 wow! The B1G has ALWAYS been FSUs top choice. That's widely known. That's also the reason the narrative of the SEC not wanting them is being perpetrated...so the SEC doesn't lose face
@@xrexc3179 Not per my observations... I have been following this story close. At the start, the articles and fan comments were heavily "SEC but maybe B1G". Eventually there was a notable swing to "never SEC", and well before the CFP snub. I maintain that FSU finally accepted that the SEC wasn't interested, at least not as a primary target, so FSU changed the messaging. FSU has overvalued itself from the start, and its fans still don't realize where it stands vs. other (now) P4s. That has resulted in foolish, often "with no allies" decisions and tactics. It's now being reported that all P4s have intervened in some related litigation against the Florida AG (and therefore FSU).
Remote? Yes you have to love metro starksville or downtown college station. Who needs podunk towns like NYC and Chicago when you have major cities like Gainesville and Auburn 👍
@@SurferRC 9 Northern opponents Vs 1...... odds are likely of getting 2 away games in November. Ask yourself, would you rather play BC away in November....or Michigan, Ohio State, Oregon, Washington, Penn St., ?.....money wise it makes sense( tv deals), but playing in 20 degrees in the wind is not fun.
@@None-dj8iy You will have to do better. It's my understanding that efforts for just a scheduling agreement between the PAC and B1G failed for years, yet now going "national" is the ticket?
Neither FSU nor Clemson joins the Big Ten until either gains AAU status. The former is a distinct possibility, the latter a longshot. Other ACC possibles include UNC, UVa, Georgia Tech and Miami (if FSU doesn't qualify).
I wish more people understood this. It isn’t going to be a football decision as the people making it care very little about football. My only disagreement is FSU possibly getting AAU status. They’ve been trying, unsuccessfully, for years.
Not understanding why we keep wrapping Clemson up with the Big10. Clemson brings no added value to the Big10. I'm hearing no one from any Big10 fan base saying "we want Clemson". They not like us!
not to mention Clemson is #108 in research. Ohio State who didn't want to add Oregon was said to have more power on the next expansion round. Now they are cool with a school that has academics worse than Oregon? Not sure I'm buying that. Lets go ask Nebraska how that's working out for them.
@@JamieTheBangles11Fanit’s working out fine for Nebraska except for wins on the field. Nebraska has on thing going for it, support from a big and loyal fan base. That means eyeballs and consumers. AAU accreditation is just a mere suggestion at this point.
@@JamieTheBangles11FanMore power? How can any school have more power when expansion is done by a vote from school Presidents? They only get one vote each, so I don't get how OSU could possibly get more power.
I agree Clemson doesn't bring as much value as some other teams would. GT, NC, and Miami would add more value to Big 10. Also Clemson isn't AAU and the schools I mentioned are. Call me crazy but Clemson might find it hard to get into the power 2. The SEC already has a footprint in South Carolina so they wouldn't really add any value to the SEC.
Hard to watch when the host remains so misinformed on material aspects. The current ACC media deal(s) are way below market but are still expected to pay more than the new BIG12's new deal. The recently reported annual revenue and distributions support this.
If you follow FSU history, you’ll find FSU wanted to be in the SEC in the 60’s, 70’s and 80s, repeatedly asking for admission and repeatedly being denied. In the 90s, the ACC came knocking and the SEC had a change of heart but didn’t like the look of being guilded and withdrew their offer and has since denied making the offer that FSU refused. The SEC has a history of teasing and tormenting FSU and as such longtime FSU faithful hate the SEC. I personally love the idea of being in the Big 10 and hope FSU lands there, being in the SEC seems unnatural at this point.
I think it would be awesome if FSU joined the B1G. Imagine FSU(B1G) vs Florida (SEC) every year. That would ramp that rivalry up bigly
I just don't see FSU fitting in well in the B10. Oddly enough, I have liked FSU and viewed them as a perfect ACC type team. It's sad the ACC has clowns running it. Either way, thanks for the history on the SEC and FSU
Come on in Noles! The money is great. Go B1G or stay home
@@mr.ohiostate2544 Just a reminder that FSU and the other football members pushed for the additions of the old BIGEAST schools over some level of T-Road objections, all of which have failed to meet expectations. T-Road hasn't run the ACC for decades.
I'll add that thus far, the B1G has only expanded with schools in which the SEC had no (or no serious) interest. The ACC depletion will be a different matter, so to where the top scatters will evidence the attractiveness of both P2s relative to each other.
@@nnonotnow FSU has burned bridges and ships, it can't stay home. 50/50 B1G or BIG12.
FSU alum here… no desire for the SEC, boring games we’ve already played for decades. The BIG10 would be amazing, FSU vs Ohio State, USC, Michigan… awesome matchups!
Rerright boring games lmao😅 jealous much? And those rigorous academic requirements.
As a USC fan I have a cousin who's a huge Florida state fan. I would love to make a trip to Doak Campbell with my cousin to take in the experience of Chief Osceola and War paint. Sorry if I misspelled Osceola
Boring games? Lmao Best Conference in college always has more than half their teams in top 25 every year. FSU is boring as fuck.
As a Clemson fan, it’s a no brainer, Big 10. First, better payout, and that’s what this is all about. Two, a true national conference vs a regional one, I’d rather be in the Big 10. Third, no one is really talking about this, but the stability and sustainability of the major TV partners. The SEC has ESPN. I know streaming is definitely the future, but there’s still millions of homes at this point that use free or cable/satellite. ESPN offers no free, and because they are struggling financially, there’s a lot of talk that they will be a streaming only platform in the next 2-3 years. The Big 10 has three partners, Fox, CBS, and NBC. All three offer free, cable/satellite, and streaming. The Big 10 is also a no brainer academically. Everything Clemson has been doing the past few years as far as academics, athletics, and direction points to AAU accreditation. Their investment into research has gone up exponentially recently. No disrespect to the SEC, they have some great schools like Vanderbilt and Florida, but as a whole there’s no comparison when it comes to academics. I just hope Clemson not having AAU accreditation doesn’t disqualify them from being offered an invitation to the Big 10. If the SEC is their only option, I’d take it, much better than the current option, but I would be highly disappointed at losing out on the Big 10. Just my opinion on this. I think the powers that be at Clemson definitely are Big 10 all the way if they have a choice. Sports boosters and fans of Clemson are the opposite, although those on the Rivals sports private message which I’m a member are warming up to the Big 10. Fingers crossed 🤞 for a Big 10 invitation.
That’s well thought out and some really good points
a) CLEMSON would likely wane on a B1G island worse than FSU. CLEMSON historically has low brand inertia, but SEC opponents would mitigate that. As a UNC fan/alum, I no longer care about what happens to FSU and UNC should be fine in either P2, but I would hate to see CLEMSON wither in the B1G.
b) AAU and high academic standing are institutional culture and mission things. If CLEMSON has not changed either after decades being associated with UVA et. al., I just don't see it happening now.
@@tarheel7406 "I no longer care about what happens to FSU"
You never did care to begin with and you are lying
@@marcjohnson8488 ~Sigh~
a) When it looked like UNC was near certain to pick the B1G, I wanted FSU to come along as a rival.
b) Since UNC is now strongly leaning SEC and FSU has foolishly gone scorched earth, I no longer care. FSU to the B1G is a win/win for UNC.
Please stop projecting with your accusations of lying.
Excellent points. As the title of the video notes, it’s FSU and Clemson’s choice where they end up in the P2. SEC media hacks are in full on spin mode knowing that FSU and Clemson will land in the B1G leaving them with the Tobacco Road scraps. Future looking bright for the Noles and Tigers! 💪
I can't speak for Clemson. FSU is B10 bound. I can't think of a scenario where the SEC is chosen over the B10.
There is too much bad blood.
Then you are badly mistaken because they will absolutely choose the SEC over the little 10 every time. Mark it down as a fact!!!
@tedharris8244 Wanna bet? Let me say it loud and clear.
When you have Alford the AD taking trips to Birmingham Al. Give me a call. He isn't flying to Chicago for his health.
We are not building an $88 million medical research building for the SEC.
We have not increased our R/D budget for the SEC.
President McCullough clear objective is to make FSU the flagship university in Florida. Joining the SEC will not accomplish this goal.
We are not joining the SEC to be the red-headed step child.
@@tedharris8244😂😂😂you mean the cheating pay to play way before it was legal suc😂😂😂😂😂get real
With FSU and Clemson the B1G will undoubtedly be the football power conference.
FSU has always preferred the BIG. The reason is not what those of us watching this might expect- they want to be part of the BIG research consortium. To FSU that’s just as if not more important than the athletics.
I can see some truth in this. The BTAA is not really material, but the B1G's academic branding is. FSU is not a legacy academic (nor athletic) brand, and the SEC is a downgrade in academic association. FSU may feel that improvements are at risk. UTAH is in a similar situation.
@@tarheel7406 Keep lying. Someone will believe it.
@@encycl07pedia- Where is the lie? Do you even know what a "lie" is?
@@tarheel7406 If you can't figure it out, that's your problem.
@@encycl07pedia- Clearly you [can't] identify a lie and likely don't know what a "lie" is. What I've come to expect from the majority of FSU defenders.
As a Penn State Football fan, I would definitely enjoy watching Florida State and Clemson come to the Big 10 with Notre Dame, Miami (FL), North Carolina, and either/or Georgia Tech or Virginia.
I also believe Florida State's beef with the SEC and ESPN/Disney plays a significant role in the Seminoles turning to the Big 10 Conference, BTN/Fox Sports, NBC Sports, and CBS Sports in an increased revenue stream for Florida State University. Also, Florida State University and the Tallahassee Chamber of Commerce know they can receive more money from the Big 10's role in the AAU Research and Development and the Military Industrial Complex, which will increase the overall academic and athletic departments values.
Why do you think either conference wants them.
Viewership $$$$ top ten in the country
these are the most stupid comments. why wouldn't they want them. They are big money brands that draw eyeballs and create TV revenue. they are in great areas for recruiting. there is also the business aspect of market share. taking them kills the ACC meaning it's now a P2 of 3 instead of a P2 of 4. It kills competition. Just ridiculous.
I see Florida State and Miami and Clemson. Been saying it for like over half a year or longer now. Why? 1) They want out of the ACC/ESPN contract 2) They have big time athletic/football brands 3) Location, location, location - in areas The Big Ten isn’t yet, areas with growing populations and viewers and recruits 4) All 3 are good enough academically and research-wise. 5) Those areas have many Big Ten Country transplants or snowbirds who add to the views. I see adding Notre Dame to those 3, then up to 2 more likely out West, like a Utah or Stanford or Kansas. Or, if they don’t go West again, how about adding North Carolina and North Carolina State?
As long as Miami comes in at some point with the South Benders then I'm fine stopping at 22. I think it'd be a mistake for the B1G not to lock down Florida simply because of grabbing what's available in the moment. FSU is a no brainer but I'm not a fan of getting Clemson.
No Miami
@@paulclifton655 But, alas, it still may happen. For the reasons mentioned.
@@paulclifton655 Miami is perfect for Big 10. It's a brand that draws eyeballs, it's in big market, in in very good recruiting area. It's homerun. Why the hell wouldn't you want Miami. What you think let the Big 12 pick them up and elevate UCF brand and make themselves real player in that market when you can get 2 of the 3 powers for yourself. makes no sense at all considering Florida recruiting and Miami recruiting either. Even if Miami is bad having them in the conference can help a team like Penn State or Nebraska go down their and recruit those kids.
This is no brainer. Definitely BIG10.🦆🦆🦆🦆🦆🦆
Wasn't Texas rumored to go to the B1G at one point? I wonder how that panned out.
North Carolina, apparently is married to North Carolina State. So you can't take one without the other. I don't think neither the SEC or B1G is interested in acquiring both.
a) They aren't married.
b) I suspect the SEC will take both to secure UNC.
c) If that poison pill keeps UNC from picking the B1G over the SEC, I'm more than good with that.
Exactly right - Triangle schools are stuck in the glue that is Tobacco Road self-delusion. They made their bed a long time ago. No surprise that UNC coverage has dropped off the past few days and focus is on FSU/Clemson. Along with ND, they hold the real cards in realignment. Triangle schools will land somewhere as an afterthought.
@@LoCoVANole Delusional.... UNC is the biggest domino remaining that would have material ripple effects. ND remaining indy just means the B1G keeping a slot (or 2) open. I do maintain that MIAMI has allied with ND for a coattail effort.
Is it clear to any of us that these two must reside in the same conference?
@@tarheel7406 Wishful thinking…everyone knows UNC’s football value and it pales in comparison to FSU, ND and Clemson. ..and even Miami.
The B1G will get fsu and clemson, go to 10 league games and wait for nd and their choice of partner/s.
Good for any school. Big ten tv contracts are the best in the country. Big ten is very competitive in all sports. Not many cupcakes and give me games. It makes sense for all. Big ten get southern exposure also
Personally, I would like the final six to be: ND, FSU, Miami, Arizona St., Clemson and Stanford (ND may require a landing spot for the Cardinal). Then go to 11 conference games and a conference playoff.
If the B1G grabs ND, FSU, Clemson and Miami it’s game over for the SEC. UNC would be great but its football value is second tier.
Go for it.... #2s on B1G islands surrounded by SEC competition with better schedules, recruiting, and demos. There's a reason why the SEC will eagerly cede CLEMSON, FSU & MIAMI for the two flagships and why it appears that it is no longer protecting ND independence.
@@tarheel7406Even if true, kid…FSU and Clemson will both be standing taller than UNC.
@@LoCoVANole UNC is already standing taller. FSU doesn't see this but CLEMSON does. Both will wither some on B1G islands. Learn from the MARYLAND experience.
@@tarheel7406 We’ll see who stands taller on November 2nd.
@@LoCoVANole Ignoring unreasonable political interference, UNC has more options and will always stand taller than FSU. The SEC and B1G will most likely always save room for UNC, FSU is the B1G's backup plan.
You always example FSU's problem, namely that it doesn't recognize and respect peers. I defended FSU for a long time during this story, but the scorched earth tactics changed that.
As an LSU fan, I wouldn't mind having FSU and Clemson in the SEC, especially from a football standpoint
“SEC has no interest” is rank spin.
Paul Finebaum (August 2023):
“If you look at Clemson and Florida State, there are no two better fits in the world to the SEC than those two,” Finebaum said on First Take. “I mean they’ve won national championships in the last 10 years. They recruit at the highest level. They have good coaches. They have phenomenal traditions. And they’re both in states with SEC schools.”
Paul Finebaum (Sep 2023):
"Although I think of the three schools that matter in the ACC, I think FSU is at the bottom of the most desired, favored nation list.
What I keep hearing from people is that nobody in the league that matters liked what they did at that board of trustees meeting and they felt like, do you want to invite a group that, you know, has an 'Animal House' toga party right in the middle (of realignment) for everybody to see on Facebook Live? And that really went down poorly. I know I don’t think anyone really thought that was a great idea. But I think at least in the moment, it hurt FSU.
And I think another thing - and this is where North Carolina shines - is that I really think the SEC likes the idea of these prominent, premier state universities, like Oklahoma, like Texas, like Florida, like the University of North Carolina."
@@tarheel7406He got the memo that FSU is heading to the B1G. Bubbas reeled him in. UNC gets sloppy seconds.
@@LoCoVANole Just pitiful.... FSU is amateur, but even it eventually realized that the SEC had low interest and falling. We'll know for sure if FSU lands in the BIG12 or is forced to take a phased in share.
Would have been so much better for FSU to have accepted its priority and worked to strengthen options.
@@tarheel7406 will worry about what it looked like after we’re gone. UNC should be great full for opening the exit door. Everyone look, it’s a talking goat😲
@@tarheel7406 So what happening between you duke & nc state. Are you married, divorcing or what? Who got cheated on? UNC should be great full for FSU opening the door to more money as long as your own politicians don’t get in the way. Good luck with that. Everyone look!!! A talking goat🤭
Will the Big 10 accept either of them?
He's saying that FSU and Clemson is the best fit in the Big 10 but you're right the Big 10 has to want them and I don't think they do. Neither one is in the AAU and the Big 10 has better options that are in the AAU.
I maintain that the B1G's top priorities are ND, UVA & UNC. While all three remain outside of the P2, would the B1G just wait to keep 4 slots open (including a slot for ND's demanded +1)?
@@tarheel7406 That's a good question. I think if the ACC implodes the Big 10 and SEC would act quickly. The schools that I see adding value are Clemson, NC , GT, FSU, Miami and UVA. Not sure how they will they will get split up. I also think ND has a spot in Big 10 whenever they're ready
@@ronwilde1595 It would be foolish for the SEC and B1G to not be prepared to invite all schools that are of high interest to both as soon as each became willing/able to accept. I can't see any school in that position being willing to wait very long for the other to make its offer nor be willing to accept a partial share.
I'm near 100% certain that UNC confirmed pending invites from both as a Plan B soon after the TX/OK news, with details revised as the story has progressed. ND has also had a standing from the B1G. The rest are likely contingent on how these 2 and other schools scatter.
@@ronwilde1595not revenue and viewership wise
Not only should the BIG Ten go after Clemson ,FSU they should go after UNC and Duke for Basketball.
I would be in favor of that to not only bring Clemson, and FSU on board but also a couple of others from the ACC that way you keep many of those regional and traditional rivalries intact as well
Only question would be would Big Ten want to expand beyond 20 schools?
i vote for ND and miami
I can't see a scenario where the schools are the ones getting to choose. The SEC, as the dominant league, will decide if it wants them. If not, they'll go to the second-best league, the Big 10, to avoid being forced to be in another league, which will be considered the new mid-majors in the new era.
B1G all the way
Eventually, I think conferences will be split regionally. It make the most sense for the "other" sports.
The P2 will have the brand gravity to remain stable but will sub-divide regionally. The Tier 2s will not have such gravity, and the BIG12 is already too large/wide.
@@tarheel7406 The BIG10 is also to large/wide. I agree that a sub-divide will eventually happen.
@@gforce55 There's a chance that after the Tier 1 consolidates to ~48 teams total that a new western and a new eastern conference are created, but I doubt it.
EDIT: If these "new" conferences could retain the rights to "PAC" and "ACC", it would be more likely.
I have always wanted FSU to be in the Big Ten and have enjoyed watching past FSU and Big Ten games .... also have family members who are Buckeyes and one Nittany Lion...
Can't wait for FSU to join this awesome national conference 🪓🔥
We'll be glad to have you even with the Nittany lion and buck nut😂😂😂😂Gooooo Bluuuuuueeeeee Baby!
@@None-dj8iy
Thank you, much appreciated 😁
They will not be joining the SEC. The Head of the SEC stated they are no longer growing after acquiring Texas and Oklahoma.
B1G doesn’t want to go beyond 20 quickly. Then new members out rank old ones. But I could see up to 24 eventually. Never more
My biggest question is how many Points does everyone think Oregon beats Ohio State? Im thinking they beat them by 21 points.. Thoughts :)
As a Clemson fan, we are 3-1 vs. Buckeyes and they hate to lose, it would be humorous. Kudos to Oregon who is coming on strong.
I think the Buckeyes storm Oregon
I hope Big Ten…
Clemson vs Georgia is way bigger than anything they might have in the Big10.
If this is true about the SEC, I wonder what kind of a deal FSU and Clemson can expect to get. If Fox only adds half shares for each program for the remainder of the contract, will these teams be happy making half of what Northwestern and Rutgers make?
USC and UCLA got full shares without any SEC interest to drive the price up. What CLEMSON and/or FSU would be offered is an open question.
@@tarheel7406 The shares will be what the Fox, CBS and NBC will think they're worth. I don't see any current B1G schools taking a pay cut to bring in FSU or Clemson. What do they teel Oregon or Washington that are only getting a half share for the current contract?
@@jojowhite9296
a) The networks decide what they are willing to pay the conference for expansions and the conferences decide what to pay the expansions. CAL+2 aren't getting the full pro rata the ESPN is paying the ACC.
b) Not sure what you're asking regarding WASH/ORE.
USC and UCLA were added to the B1G at the start of the media deal, like Wa\Or any ACC teams would be added afterwards, so it's not comparable.@@tarheel7406
@@tarheel7406What they are saying is Anything over half shares and the west coast schools would probably vote no on expansion. I mean why would they vote yes? So if all four vote no, they would need just one more school to block expansion all together since schools need 75%+ votes to be accepted. I highly doubt it would ever come to that though, the Presidents are smart enough to see that coming a mile away and will most likely limit any new additions at half shares, such as Wa/Or got.
Big10 needs to add ND, Colorado, Utah, ASU, Arizona, Kansas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, maybe Baylor, UVA, UNC, FSU, Clemson, Miami, GT, maybe WVU.
Delusional....
The SEC does not want Florida State or Clemson… Already have those markets locked down… Only Schools we are interested in our UNC Chapel Hill and UVA
GBR! 🌽🏆💥❤️
GT is a better 'fit' for B1G than Clem. GT is the better academic and TV fit. Purdue needs another engineering school, ATL is a prized 'eyes' market and GT brings more Grant and research $$$. UNC, GT, Mia and FSU
Last time I checked Illinois is a top 5 engineering school
Michigan, USC, UCLA, Maryland… do you get ATL with GT? If not, got engineering covered. Grant and research add would be nice but UW added a bunch. FSU, Miami would be my rather. Would love for AM to leave SEC for B1G. Texas region and ND would be the only reason I would go past 20.
What does “TV fit” mean? Is your assertion that GT sports draws a larger television audience than Clemson sports? If not, then what could it possibly mean when you assert that GT has a better “TV fit”?
You're 100 percent right about GT. So many people don't understand that it's about the biggest TV markets and not better football programs. Also anyone who says AAU membership isn't important doesn't know what they're talking about. Clemson isn't and GT is a member.
@@UNCGRAD0647 the OP said B1G needed to add schools in addition to Purdue. That is why I did not mention them. Folks defending Purdue didn’t attend Purdue, I hope. I get the defensiveness though.
It’s over for the SEC if Florida state and Clemson go B1G. Big 10 is main conference in New York, LA, and Chicago. SEC can’t compete with B1G market size.
Big10 needs to go get two Texas schools, maybe 3.
Delusional....
First off I don’t think they’re choosing anyone. I think it’s who will take them. That title of this video makes it sound like FSU & Clemson have the upper hand 😆 they will take anything they can get.
It is moronic to think the big two want NC over FSU.....NC grads are not evebig fansof their football team. Stop pushing this UNC love narrative.
The SEC will take Florida State because they have to keep their ratio of teams that have maroon as a school color at 40% of the conference. Also, the SEC will compulsively have to take Clemson. They’re not enough tigers in the conference.😊
I have a better idea. Instead of doing a huge payoff, let Clemson and Florida State stay in the ACC, but give them extra money when they play the Big Ten & SEC. We do this every time we play those tiny schools. This would give the money directly to Clemson and Florida St. and let the other schools suffer with their meager income from the ACC contract.
Interesting.... Some generic payment may be covered by conference level contracts; however, giving 100% of the gate to a visiting CLEMSON or FSU may work.
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😁Neither 😎…
‘WAC’ 😳😂👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿
SEC not going after FSU because they already have UF is silly. Florida is the 3rd largest state. You take both schools. Clemson is the more valuable school in SC. I don't buy the SEC not being interested. UNC is a wildcard because I don't think they're leaving
"Not interested" is likely a relative term. In reality, the SEC has no interest in expanding until UNC is secured (or perhaps lost). After that, the SEC will revisit.
@@tarheel7406 lol. The SEC isn't focused on UNC. That's why nobody is talking about them unless it's a blurb. It's all FSU & Clemson for good reason.
@@encycl07pedia- Do you even listen to the reporters, etc. that are covering the ACC angle? Often they will primarily discuss FSU and CLEMSON, but still almost always note that UNC (and often UVA) are actually the top targets. One can call that a "blurb".
Not much news on ND either, but it is also one of the top actual dominos.
Just delusional.
@@tarheel7406 zero chance ESPN wants this move by the SEC. They want more football inventory
@@jcfilms4433 ESPN rents conferences. So many of you continue to think statically and from within the dying P5 world.
ESPN would clearly like to ride out its deeply discounted ACC deal, but we seem to be operating under the assumption that isn't an option.
Neither conference want them, after seeing them raise hell to get out the acc because they want money. Fs been trying for 5 years but did not succeed. Pay the money it's the only way out. No one like a cry baby.
FYI it was UF that advocated FOR FSU to get in, back when the SEC was denying FSU entry.
Sco Ducks!
We'll see you in the big house later in the season sco duck...Gooooo Bluuuuuueeeeee Baby!
do not think either school gets to choose, they will go where they are invited. think the SUNBELT CONFERENCE is perfect for both.
😂😂😂then you woke up...B1G all the way...Gooooo Bluuuuuueeeeee Baby!
Im sure espn will put up little fight and allow fsu and clemson to go to the B1G which is owned by FOX. No biggie. Im sure FOX wont mind paying an additional $140m a year for a Northwestern v fsu matchup. Sounds like amazing business plan.😂😂😂
Were you informed of being dropped multiple times as a baby?
lol. Alabama, Georgia, and LSU are the only SEC teams worth mentioning. There's a reason the past 9 (!!!) SEC Championships have involved two of Alabama or LSU vs. Florida or Georgia, save a Georgia-Auburn matchup in that time period. The SEC is full of Northwesterns.
@@encycl07pedia- i agree with you...both sec and big are top heavy and are boring to watch. I havent watch a bigten game in years and only a few sec games
😂😂😂it is duffus... learn your match ups...nu is one school... get a clue!
@@INFAMOUSfrontRunn3r😂😂😂then stop hanging out on B1G football videos😂😂😂😂Gooooo Bluuuuuueeeeee Baby!
As an SEC fan, my preference has always been for North Carolina and Kansas. Already in South Carolina and Florida, and the basketball would be amazing.
Ya'll talking about all this nonsense about FSU and Clemson to the little 10 is just laughable. Anyone with any common sense knows that both of them are headed to the SEC because no way does the ESPN let their biggest TV viewership numbers in the ACC just freely go to the little 10 without one hell of a fight to keep them by sliding them into the SEC.
ESPN only cares about the remaining terms of its existing contracts and maintaining relationships for the next deals. The conferences care about forever. What's laughable is thinking that a conference that is relatively secure for the foreseeable future will make a short-term decision at the expense of the much longer-term.
@@tarheel7406 your entire response is laughable
@@tedharris8244 One can't teach a pig to sing. Neither the SEC nor B1G is going to make a forever decision just to please their current broadcast partners. The broadcasters only advise as to the effects of an expansion and either agree or not to finance immediately. The conferences decide if an expansion will finance itself over the long-term.
It's okay, it's common to laugh at things one doesn't understand.
@@tarheel7406 I understand how it works just fine. You just go on living in your fantasyland.
@@tedharris8244 Apparently not. Dogs wag tails, not the reverse.
I will acknowledge that broadcaster objections may delay an action or cause inaction, but conferences will not act just because a broadcaster wants.
Why would Clemson state that there is no genuine issue of material fact? That seems the last thing that they would want to do. It is Clemson who wants to try the case in front of the judge, not the ACC. I think that this invites a motion for summary judgement by the ACC that should be successful, if it is really true that there is no genuine issue of material fact. This a state, not a federal case, although I assume that this is not a jury trial question in South Carolina.
Well according to you FSU and Clemson can't get in the BIG because they're not AAU! Or are you saying something else now?
According to sources, the SEC does not want FSU or Clemson but Carolina and Virginia. I really don't know if having their footprint in the southeast will really help recruiting for the majority of the B1G. A lot of the schools are cold and remote.
living in DC it be good to get 4-6 ACC team FSU,VA,CLEMSON,UNC ,DUKE maybe NCS
Why is this news? The reporting and analysis have been rather consistent since Day 1 of this story, the SEC's top expansion targets are UVA/UNC and that CLEMSON/FSU are disposable. The SEC will eagerly cede CLEMSON, FSU and MIAMI to secure the two flagships.
What has been (and is now) news is a) FSU finally recognizing the realties and switching focus to the B1G and b) the B1G perhaps having a legit interest in CLEMSON.
@@tarheel7406 wow! The B1G has ALWAYS been FSUs top choice. That's widely known. That's also the reason the narrative of the SEC not wanting them is being perpetrated...so the SEC doesn't lose face
@@xrexc3179 Not per my observations... I have been following this story close. At the start, the articles and fan comments were heavily "SEC but maybe B1G". Eventually there was a notable swing to "never SEC", and well before the CFP snub. I maintain that FSU finally accepted that the SEC wasn't interested, at least not as a primary target, so FSU changed the messaging.
FSU has overvalued itself from the start, and its fans still don't realize where it stands vs. other (now) P4s. That has resulted in foolish, often "with no allies" decisions and tactics. It's now being reported that all P4s have intervened in some related litigation against the Florida AG (and therefore FSU).
Remote? Yes you have to love metro starksville or downtown college station. Who needs podunk towns like NYC and Chicago when you have major cities like Gainesville and Auburn 👍
Big10 needs to add Texas Tech & Baylor
Delusional....
T A&M ….. Baylor , what a joke
@@paulclifton655 I weary of "joke". BAYLOR isn't a "joke" but rather a solid Tier 2 athletic program.
SEC...they'd lose their minds playing in the North in November
Like BC or Louisvilleor Virginia or Pitt?
@@SurferRC like Oregon, Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan,MSU, Northwestern, Penn St.,Rutgers....BRRRR
@@jeffzuiderveen7266 those are all just as far north as Boston 🤡😂🤦🏼♂️🤡
@@jeffzuiderveen7266 penn st is south of boston…
@@SurferRC 9 Northern opponents Vs 1...... odds are likely of getting 2 away games in November. Ask yourself, would you rather play BC away in November....or Michigan, Ohio State, Oregon, Washington, Penn St., ?.....money wise it makes sense( tv deals), but playing in 20 degrees in the wind is not fun.
Because FSU and Clemson have absolutely no chance to win the SEC, but they will have 10+ win seasons every year in the Big Ten.
Lol
This guy thinks it’s a positive that a conference is coast to coast. This is where the SEC has an advantage. Less Travel.
Going "national" is spin to cover for having to go too wide and dilute natural rivalries.
@@tarheel7406😂😂😂your pathetic😂😂😂
😂😂😂your delusional 😂😂😂
@@None-dj8iy You will have to do better. It's my understanding that efforts for just a scheduling agreement between the PAC and B1G failed for years, yet now going "national" is the ticket?
Neither FSU nor Clemson joins the Big Ten until either gains AAU status. The former is a distinct possibility, the latter a longshot. Other ACC possibles include UNC, UVa, Georgia Tech and Miami (if FSU doesn't qualify).
Your clueless!
I wish more people understood this. It isn’t going to be a football decision as the people making it care very little about football. My only disagreement is FSU possibly getting AAU status. They’ve been trying, unsuccessfully, for years.
Not understanding why we keep wrapping Clemson up with the Big10. Clemson brings no added value to the Big10. I'm hearing no one from any Big10 fan base saying "we want Clemson". They not like us!
not to mention Clemson is #108 in research. Ohio State who didn't want to add Oregon was said to have more power on the next expansion round. Now they are cool with a school that has academics worse than Oregon? Not sure I'm buying that. Lets go ask Nebraska how that's working out for them.
@@JamieTheBangles11Fanit’s working out fine for Nebraska except for wins on the field. Nebraska has on thing going for it, support from a big and loyal fan base. That means eyeballs and consumers. AAU accreditation is just a mere suggestion at this point.
@@JamieTheBangles11Fan Per my quick source, CLEMSON is better academically and does more research than OREGON.
@@JamieTheBangles11FanMore power? How can any school have more power when expansion is done by a vote from school Presidents? They only get one vote each, so I don't get how OSU could possibly get more power.
I agree Clemson doesn't bring as much value as some other teams would. GT, NC, and Miami would add more value to Big 10. Also Clemson isn't AAU and the schools I mentioned are. Call me crazy but Clemson might find it hard to get into the power 2. The SEC already has a footprint in South Carolina so they wouldn't really add any value to the SEC.
Hard to watch when the host remains so misinformed on material aspects. The current ACC media deal(s) are way below market but are still expected to pay more than the new BIG12's new deal. The recently reported annual revenue and distributions support this.
😂😂😂yet your still hear being clueless!
@@None-dj8iy You will have to do better, and emoticons are for children.
Clemson not a ademic college
Fringe, but within "Alliance" standards. Roughly peer with IOWA and better than ORE & NEB.