@@matt8495doesn’t make sense for them to block why would they not want an easier in conference rival instead of Florida who they usually can’t beat. Also the Tv deal would just net them more money for the rivalry game which always gets huge audiences
Money has destroyed college football. Maybe just stop with the "student athlete" farce, make it minor league pro football and stop making the kids go to school.
The NCAA is located in the United States (Indianapolis), but the people who run that organization sure don't act like Americans.... “After all, the chief business of the American people is business." President Calvin Coolidge Amateurism (above the high school level) is Un-American!
Besides geographically, Louisville is better than most everyone besides 3 or 4 teams in football and they wouldn’t have to force a rivalry because Kentucky is already there
Big 12 would get Louisville Pitt Virginia Tech and NC State They are not getting SMU it’s pointless they already have a Dallas Ft Worth Market which is TCU and I Don’t See Texas Tech Baylor Houston and TCU allow them in the conference
NC House Bill 965: A state House bill (HB965) was filed on May 23, 2024, which would require North Carolina and North Carolina State to annually play each other in football, and at least once a season in men’s and women’s basketball, if they ended up separated by conference realignment. This bill was filed as the UNC System Board of Governors said it will attach UNC and NCSU at the hip in any potential future conference realignment if the Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) ceases to exist.
@@tarheel7406 It will only attach if the ACC ceases to exist. This was filed on Thursday 3 days ago. Below is the BOG attachment. The last sentence is the BOG attachment. NC House Bill 965: A state House bill (HB965) was filed on May 23, 2024, which would require North Carolina and North Carolina State to annually play each other in football, and at least once a season in men’s and women’s basketball, if they ended up separated by conference realignment. This bill was filed as the UNC System Board of Governors said it will attach UNC and NCSU at the hip in any potential future conference realignment if the Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) ceases to exist.
@@kennethgolden5539 but even people in the government are not even sure if it will pass any legal challenges, as that is why they never went through with the bill many years ago requiring NC State to play ECU in football. As far as the UNC System board any school trying to move to another conference has to get approval from the system board and not get vetoed from the president of the board.
They can easily play each other annually in football and twice a year in basketball while being in separate conferences. Same for all their Olympic sports.
Another great take. FSU/Clemson identify well in the SEC. One point to consider: The SEC is really sensitive & careful about targeting teams/states/fan bases that identify with the South. So, culture is important to them. Sure, money is a priority, but they can get money teams w/o compromising the culture aspect. It is why so many want Vandy to be booted from the SEC.
@theneighborhoodmentors9347 Ken Swilling was a great safety and Marco something as the DE they didn't do anything in the NFL though. I'm not sure why they haven't been able to build a program and take advantage of such a great recruiting area.
@@YOLO_GGY The BIG12 is already too large, too wide, and too Texas for a Tier 2 conference. A Texas school makes sense for the ACC managing its decline to that Tier 2 level, but not for the BIG12.
@@YOLO_GGYno, Texas Tech Baylor and TCU have worked for a long time to keep SMU and Houston out of the power 5. It's more competition, and SMU doesn't add anything.
William C. Friday ran the UNC system for 30 years. He would rollover in his grave if UNC or NCSU went to the SEC. Now the Legislature is trying to attach these two schools at the hip. The Legislature has gotten involved in these University sports before. They forced the 4 ACC schools in N.C. to play ECU, App State and others in a regular cycle. It is a lose lose for the ACC schools. Hurts in recruiting if you lose. Does not help in recruiting at all. These other schools circle a target around these games.
That bill that you mention has not even been passed and signed into law as of yet. The legislature has used the threat of passing laws before, but has never gone threw with it in the end and even if the law is passed it does not mean it will survive legal challenges.
@@EyeOfTheWatcher Legal challenges? Like what? A court would deny the state the power to administer state entities in the way they feel is best for the state? Really?
Nc state runs the north Carolina state government they will 100% use the power of the government purse to force unc and NC state together and sec and big10 don't want the wolf pack
SEC: FSU, Clemson, UNC, NC State Big 12: Louisville, Pitt, GT, Duke, Syracuse, VT B1G: Miami, VA, Stanford, Cal, ND* ND would strike a similar agreement with the big 12 that they had with the ACC, otherwise they’d have to join either the SEC or B1G
All Coasts Conference (ACC) forms east & west divisions by adding Oregon St, Washington St, San Diego St., Colorado St., Tulane and/or Rice. Stanford, Cal+ SMU to the west division. Also, possible addition of UCLA if revenue sharing adjusted among Power4. Also, if revenue sharing adjusted among Power 4 then Nebraska to Big XII (XX).
Why would the B1G want a small private school located in the southern most state of the Continental United States at the end of a 400 mile long peninsula who doesn’t even have an on campus stadium. Add to that the football team has only been barely decent for the last 20 years, the stadium is usually half empty on game day, and the average day time temperature is close to 90 degrees in September and October. And on top of those concerns, the TV ratings have been poor for many years which makes me question just how much Fox is really interested in the Hurricanes. Miami will be lucky to get an invite to the Big 12 and if that doesn’t happen, they could end up in Conference USA playing FIU and Jacksonville State. The flight time from Miami to Seattle is longer than the flight time from Boston to Dublin Ireland across the Atlantic Ocean. Just saying.
There’s no way the SEC takes NC State or Louisville. The Big12 turned down SMU last year which is how they ended up in the ACC. A lot of these lower tier, left over ACC schools will end up in G5 eventually.
Also these have so many bad takes. Louisville is clearly B12 so will Duke. Miami to the b10 that’s a joke. VT is definitely getting picked to the SEC. B10 and Sec was reportedly looking into UVA most likely b10
Only ones leaving are Clemson, Fsu . Acc survival At a 30% reduction it's all about biggest brands, not splitting the pie . Bog keeps any NC schools from moving .
@@tarheel7406 True , but that was then ,an this is now , do you think there not going anywhere? Please tell me why? Without you're acc Homer hat on , without Fsu,Clemson, acc and big 12 are even argument can be made but your just kidding yourself to think that Acc is any more or less than the big 12 , Acc loses 30 % of acc eyeball . Even with those two , not much the difference .
@@jeffmorgan9337 a) I see no B1G interest in CLEMSON; the SEC sees CLEMSON as disposable. So CLEMSON goes BIG12 or indy if only FSU is also leaving? b) The ACC's value is more diversified than the BIG12's. The ACC would remain materially better than the BIG2 if only CLEMSON/FSU left.
@@jeffmorgan9337 I might have to disagree with you on the value of the ACC without FSU/Clemson. You must not be aware of the value of the biggest brand in college athletics, UNC. They are worth more than FSU and Clemson combined. When it comes time for ESPN to renegotiate, they will increase the ACC payout to an even higher level, almost on a par with the P2. Their value might not be as obvious but because they have a higher ceiling than either FSU or Clemson, ESPN will be opening their wallets. I have that on the authority of the poster you are replying to.
@@505premoto Appreciate your opinion, TV viewership 31 Louisville, 32 Miami, 33 Duke ,46 NC 1.3 million, for the 1st 3 NC slightly less than 1 million weekly Hope your right , expecting a small bump from espn because accn makes money but no Way they close gap from big2 Agree NC is a desirable brand . From TV payout, cfp distribution, all this is designed to make big 2 power brokers . FSU CLEM, are 36 % of acc viewership, Fsu 1 cfp clem 6 there going to get out . I just don't see it .
With all this expansion going on I would not be surprised if The ACC changed their name to either the American Coast Conference, the American Conference, or The APC aka American Pacific Conference.
Miami,ND, also big east. ND,Miami, Duke,Uconn,Army,Syracuse, California and Stanford will from a football alliance of independents that negotiate their own football deals
One other point Duke has in its favor if maybe UNC wanted to bring them along as a package to the SEC is that Duke has a rivalry with Kentucky (primarily basketball but also in football whenever it manages to happen)
Notre Dame is the big piece in the puzzle, once they decide what makes sense to them, the realignment game will start to settle down. They value their independence and so far it has been working for them. If they joined the Big Ten that could make the Big Ten Conference even richer (or where ever they decide).
UNC-Duke will play each other in Basketball as long as the games are still played in college. Only question will be if it is one or two games per year. They are 8 miles a part. Don't know why you keep asking this question. FSU plays UF, SC plays Clemson, GT plays Ga, Louisville plays Kentucky, Va plays VT and that is just to name a few. All are in different conferences. Big 12 has talked about a Basketball Super Conference. A lot of the ACC would think that is appealing. UNC not so much.
I will say if fsu goes to the sec it’ll make that florida vs fsu game even bigger every year. Cuz lately it hasnt meant much. Seems like every time one team is good the other one is so so or bad. But this would make it to where if one team loses it could screw them ten times more now
Splitting up the Tobacco Road 4 schools would be blasphemous. UNC and Duke need to be together, same with those two and NC State. I also WF still fitting in with them, I’ve always seen them as the piece that completes the puzzle.
B1G - Miami, North Carolina, Virginia, Notre Dame, Stanford, California SEC - NC State, Virginia Tech, Florida State, Clemson XII - Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Georgia Tech, Duke, Wake Forest, SMU, Boston College
No power conference is going above 20 members: B1G grabs UVA and then waits for ND. SEC grabs FSU, Clemson, UNC and one more ACC school. Big 12 grabs Louisville, Pitt, Miami, and one more ACC school. Three power conferences with 20 members each. Game. Set. Match.
Future of the ACC: Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, Temple, Tulane, Duke, Georgia Tech, Cal, Stanford, UConn, Memphis, Virginia, Oregon State, Washington State, San Diego State
So true. Adding more southern schools to the SEC only delutes their product. Consider that Georgia just beat Clemson 34-3 and FSU started the season 0-3 it is delusional for the ACC to imagine these schools bring value to the SEC. The ACC is trash and will probably dissolve but ironically FSU and Clemson may among the schools that are stuck in the league.
@@tarheel7406 Nope, troll. Everyone is correct. The SEC is not expanding, and Texas will not allow it. The horns will flip in a heartbeat if they are disrespected. UNC is ACC for life and when the ACC collapses in 2036, UNC will have to go big east. Big 12, BIG, and SEC don't want UNC. How the tide has turned since last summer. UNC is being left out per all the rumors and noise right now. This rejection is now at least 40+ years old.
As long as you are playing what if . How about a conference that has major media markets , historic rivals , strong fan bases, short travel distances, Competitive Games, The new Big East Football only Conference Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, Temple, Army, Navy, Rutgers, UMass, UConn, Delaware , James Madison Maryland, W Virginia . A regional conference with strong media, fan base that makes sense . That people in the northeast would be interested in no offense to other conferences but if your not from those areas you dont care . It works both ways Thats what these schools should do if the acc breaks up
FSU will join the Big Ten Conference (B1G) as soon as their exit from the ACC is finalized. (Provided something shocking at the last minute.) 20 sounds like the cap during this current set of media contracts. So, two more Big Ten schools and four more SEC schools before 2030/4.
I wish they would've just left the ACC the way it was. California is on the West Coast and makes no sense whatsoever! Leave sacred things alone and don't fix what isn't broken.
If the ACC implodes, I think there would be an effort for high-profile programs from both the ACC and Big 12 to form a third superconference of 18 schools to compete against the B1G and SEC. Football royalty, basketball brand-name appeal, academic elite schools with money, and institutional ties will determine who is in and who is out, but I see such a "third conference" looking like this: FSU Miami Clemson Georgia Tech Duke UNC Virginia Pitt Louisville Cal Stanford BYU Utah Colorado Arizona Arizona State Kansas Kansas State Everyone else would be relegated to "Group of Five" status. It would suck for college football, but it would concentrate wealth in the hands of the Big Football and Big Money schools, which is the point of realignment these days.
My dad once said that all things will eventually circle around on itself and be somewhat as it was before greed reared its ugly head. I don’t know how or when but greed will eventually feed on itself or fans will stop caring and not watch anymore. With traditional rivalries gone and artificial ones created some people will not want to care, I am to that point.
What’s gonna happen is there is gonna be a overall NCAA college football league similar to Soccer in the UK where the top 20 teams play a season against each other and the two worst of the top 20 get relegated to a lower league et cetera et cetera. Otherwise there is no rhyme or reason conferences today.
The SEC has been telling FSU for 70 years we will let you join our conference. They are not going to the SEC. Florida has not wanted FSU in the SEC for more than 50 years. The other SEC schools do not want FSU.
It's probably too late to change conferences this season so they'll probably stuck with the 2 team Pac 12 for this season unless they're be willing to be independent until they find a new conference.
Well legally NC State Is bound to UNC by state law, so it's both or neither you can't pick one off unless the state legislature decides otherwise. Also VA has a similar law with UVA and VTech
Neither these states or these schools are in any position to make any demands. When ESPN cancels the ACC media right contract, it will be every school for itself. I can see the AAC willing to take all 4 schools, but not the B1G or the SEC or even the Big 12.
The SEC wants to expand it's footprint. They are all over getting UNC. You have to think about adding value. UNC is their number one target. Even all the SEC reporters like Finebaum have said that.
Finebaum says a lot of stuff ... The SEC values football championships ... Only FSU and Clemson have won or even chased Football championships in the ACC in the past 30 years ... UNC will get a offer from the SEC only after FSU turns the SEC down and Clemson needs a partner
@@ddcs0s Nope. CLEMSON and FSU are disposable to the SEC. Both UVA and UNC bring far more synergies to the SEC and have higher football ceilings in a closed ~48-team Tier 1 in the SEC.
Cfb is finally getting some order as far as conference realignment goes. Time to separate the contenders from the pretenders for a better on field product
This is a fairly uneducated video. You're putting teams into the SEC in the Big 10 that are clearly Big 12 schools. Outside of Clemson and Florida State, and UNC, the ACC upper echelon is very similar to the Big 12. Bottom of the ACC is not valuable to the Big 12, and would be a net negative. You overvalued the top of the ACC and undervalued the Big 12 conference as a whole.
I think we need to remember the main motivator for both the big10 and big12 is tv revenue. Aka metro markets. With that said, I think getting in a major market then don't already have is the qualifier for any addition. So what are the biggest metro big10 is missing? Atlanta North Carolina/Virginia Texas - Dallas/Houston/Austin/San Antonio Florida- Miami / Tallahassee I don't see a scenario where anyone outside of those metro, or their rivals/state tag-a-longs are seriously considered.
I agree with your take here. FSU, Clemson, UNC and Duke are the best 4 for the SEC. Unc and duke both are bkue blood basketball and also have high football ceilings with sec money and exposure
UNC will join the SEC if and when they leave the ACC. It’s all but official. Clemson will come along with UNC. FSU will join the B1G when they get clear of the ACC.
This is almost always about TV Markets. For the SEC it would make sense to take a North Carolina school and a Virginia school. Because the SEC places football first, the Virginia school would be Virginia Tech. The North Carolina school would most likely be NC State. It's not that Clemson and FSU are not valuable programs, they just don't add TV markets. The SEC already has the SC markets with USC and the Florida markets with UF.
Academically, Cal & Stanford are attractive, & they would give the west coast B1G teams other teams, but Cal literally brings almost nothing to the table. You can add Stanford but only with the caveat that ND comes along. Cal & Stanford would probably go to the G5 Pac 12 with Oregon State/Washington St. These moves are about football now & Cal & Stanford just don't bring much to the table.
The only prizes for the power to would-be Clemson, FSU and Notre Dame. If Oregon and Washington had to beg and give up concessions to get in, I don’t think anybody else has any chance. The ACC might well stay together at that point or have some of the better schools go to the big 12, it would all depend on the money at the time.
@@johnfaris5376 The BIG12 has already lost its top 6 (net) and Tier 2 football will be fungible. There's no reason for any ACC schools to go to the new BIG12, which is already too large and wide.
@@tarheel7406 The ACC gets worse ratings than the Big 12 and all schools save Miami, FSU, and Clemson have zero football value. UNC-Duke value is in a Division 1 breakaway as a basketball school. That is highly unlikely meaning UNC is up a creek without a paddle. This story is now 3.5 years old
Actually, it was Texas Tech and Oklahoma State and said no to Cal and Stanford. They rejected the two after those schools would not let Texas technoisseur join the pac-12 when the Big 12 first destabilized.
Everybody thinks about and to some degree Basketball when you speak of realignment. Nobody talks about the increased spending that this will cause with all the other sports. When schools have to pay to fly their Men's Bowling Team across the country now instead of driving them on a bus. For schools like Cal or Stanford every sport that they participate in now requies a cross country flight. They now have to pay to fly their Women's Cross Country Team across the country to an away match. Nobody is talking about the cost of all the traveling and the stress that these athletes will be under, constantly changing time zones. I personally think that this is going to be more of a factor than people think.
UNC can go to the SEC. I do not believe the Big Ten is going to be forced into adding any sister schools. UNC just isnt that valuable. No school is that valuable to the Big Ten. Look at Notre Dame. If we did not bend over backward like the ACC need to get Notre Dame one foot in, why would we do similar for UNC? Take it to the SEC if that is the State of North Carolina's stance.
Clemson and FSU reportedly are favorites to join the B1G. The SEC doesn't seem to want to add more teams from Florida and South Carolina is the rumor. They were fine with it when it came to a brand like Texas while already having A&M. Stanford and Cal to the B1G make no sense at this point. They could've already taken both schools at a very reduced rate but opted not to. Why would they do that now. Cal especially is just a deadweight program. That team likely would end up in the MWC or re-imagined PAC which is MWC 2.0. Stanford could get into the B1G if ND joins the B1G and wants it. Again, the bay area is big, but nobody cares about Stanford athletics. If the B1G are trying to add teams in the west then Utah makes sense. Louisville seems destined to the B12. UNC and Virginia, to the SEC is also a rumor floating out there.
DG has a lot of bad takes but this makes way more sense than the garbage from College Football Addiction. That dude blows up the ACC on a daily basis it’s nuts.
You can’t have a rivalry if Penn State isn’t all that interested in playing Pitt (4 times in the last 25 years). Neither PSU or OSU want Pitt in the B1G . I’m not even sure the Big 12 wants Pitt.
There is nothing left on the board that would make the SEC anymore money. If they bring in another pair of teams, it will reduce the pay for the reat of the league.
@@George-Kliavkoff4Big12 For the amount of money FSU brings in (which is more than most SEC programs) ESPN will get over it ... These are massive companies signing off on billion dollar deals FSU and ESPN may feel some kind of way but if you're letting petty BS impact you're business decisions you're company will fail ... Now I think the B1G will also offer FSU an invite and the B1G actually pays more in it's TV deal than the SEC and would push the AAU to bring FSU into that organization which will also generate money for FSU so it might not even be the smartest thing for FSU to join the SEC realistically FSU could turn a SEC invite down and it be the right call
You disrespect the Big XII. On average, the Big XII is much better than the SEC academically. Don’t see SMU getting in the Big XII, but can see Louisville, Virginia Tech, Pitt, NC State, Duke, and Miami as strong Big XII candidates with Georgia Tech being a possibility.
This is all wild speculation, filled with contradictions, ifs, maybes, unlikelys and fantasies. For many, this is a fun exercise, but in reality it is a total waste of time.
Came across your videos by accident. Your videos are awesome. I now follow you on X. Really like your political videos as well! So my question is does the ACC survive? Looks like UCONN is about to join the Big 12. I know there was bad blood between ACC teams and UCONN from 20 some years ago. But that’s all water under the bridge. Three or four ACC teams are on UCONN’s football schedule every year. But for some reason they still don’t want UCONN in the conference. Phillips is not a proactive guy. He will regret not adding UCONN if/when there is a mass exodus. I’m a RFK jr guy. Your coverage of him moving to the Trump camp was excellent! He made the correct decision. I will be voting Trump / Vance / Kennedy in November!
Yeah, I base that on how the relations with Boston College improved to the point where they’ve scheduled home & aways with UCONN again - just finished the second one last year. And ACC teams have no problem scheduling UCONN now. Seems like they have 3 or 4 ACC teams on our schedule every year. Yes, they added SMU over UCONN. My take on that is that the ACC wants access to the Dallas market and SMU was willing to take no payout for 9 years or something like that. Does Phillips and some of the university presidents still hold a grudge? Maybe but I doubt it. As a UCONN guy I’m not over losing any more sleep over conference realignment. Not being in the ACC hasn’t impeded UCONN’s success in basketball and other sports. It has impacted football for sure. But in the end UCONN will always be a basketball first school. I would add that I would be content to remain in the Big East if they can’t get into the ACC. Don’t want to move to the Big 12.
@@jamesk7963 The biggest objectors have been the "football schools" and the former BIGEAST (especially MIAMI). I see no objective reason to favor SMU (a Tier 4 private G5) over an east coast state flagship, a forever decision. Other factors tipped the scale. I personally think the water should be now far downstream, but UNC wasn't affected by UCONN's extreme tactics. Similar to the current FSU situation actually.
When you say extreme tactics you mean when UCONN sued the ACC? That would piss me off too. That was beyond stupid on the State of Connecticut’s part. They ruined any good will they had left. But wasn’t UNC in UCONN’s corner when Maryland left? And yes the football schools derailed UCONN and demanded that Louisville be added. I’d be surprised if the ACC adds any more schools for awhile. The ACC will not be imploding anytime soon. And that’s a good thing. Yes, FSU has expended any good will they had left. The SEC / B1G won’t touch them. Being a good conference mate means a lot.
Kentucky will NEVER allow louisville into the SEC. B1G just wont accept louisville. My guess is big12. Lol as a louisville fan and grad, im used to us having to find conferences
This college sports landscape conference realignments is getting too out of hand. We all know it’s not about scholarships for student athletes. It’s about money,greed and power 😡😡😡
Virginia Tech not getting into at least the big 12 is laughable. They have a better football program. They will compete for a playoff spot this coming year. And an SEC style fan base.
@tarheel7406 source ? I'm an SEC guy and haven't heard much about Duke,UVA, or anyone else outside FSU,clemson, and UNC. The SEC is a football conference, not a basketball conference. Something fundamental that most are not taking into account.
@@panchogeorocks History. Multiple reporters and analysts. The SEC wants to be the best conference on all factors, something that most are not taking into account. This consolidation is likely to be the last major realignment at the top level. These decisions will have effects over multiple generations. Secure the best still available options from a long-term perspective or lose them forever.
@@panchogeorocks I'm writing from the future and it is clear the SEC is not pushing hard to get UVA/UNC as the ACC extension is February 1st. Notice how you asked Tarheel for a SOURCE and he could not provide any. He believes spin sent out by the confernces to protect themselves from tampering.
Miami has ZERO loyalty to the ACC, they only joined to be with Florida State in the first place. I know Florida may be adverse to Miami joining (Florida being afraid of the Canes is a running joke in Coral Gables). I think the SEC as a whole would likely be enamored with a monopoly of Florida's "Big 3" in terms of recruiting high school hotbed Florida. On a similar note, adding Cal and Stanford would give the Big Ten a stronghold on California recruiting
@@scotttild let’s not be ridiculous neither the sec nor big 10 want anything to do with Duke nor have they ever said they wanted anything to do with them
NC rising football power?? What? Then Minnesota must be a juggernaut since they are favored by 2 first game of year...NC is all football hype - lousy tv ratings, fan apathy and the opposite of rising football team...
a) There will be no peer P3 b) For how long and by how many professionals must it be reported that CLEMSON and FSU are low expansion priorities for the SEC? d) Why would your expected ACC remainders downgrade to the new BIG12?
With all the views you are now getting, you are going to have to change your handle to "Manic Ginger." Congratulations on your rise to big time numbers. The only thing I know about this issue is that the SEC wants North Carolina down the road because there are four top 50 media markets in the state, and the prior commissioner to Greg Sankey talked about Virginia many years ago, because of two large media markets there with DC and the Tidewater (Norfolk/Portsmouth/Newport News) area. And, the Richmond market has grown quite a bit. Commissioner Sankey talked about this at the meetings in Nashville last year, saying that the SEC wants to stay at 16 in the near future but would revisit this issue if it was forced to be done sooner than they would like. He has talked about not cannibalizing markets, so Clemson and Florida State figure to not be on the SEC's radar (and there are probably enough school presidents to blackball both schools. North Carolina and Virginia would be the most likely 17 and 18 for the SEC.
I don't think any of these conferences get to 20 except the Big 10. Espn has serious money issues, so they aren't paying for all these schools. The Big 12 aren't taking the schools you chose. SEC would take FSU & Clemson, that's it.
Depend on what do you mean by imploded, ACC could simply to add new teams from AAC or Big 12. SEC already denied FSU and Clemson ,but they did want Virginia Tech and North Carolina State. Tbh, ACC need new commissioner while UNC, Duke, and Virginia need to join Big 10 because they're cancer to ACC like they screamed want to be elite academic while ignored best interests to make ACC one of top conferences. They're easy replaced by West Virginia, Connecticut, and Cincinnati then ACC can focus on natural rivalry and good overall athletic program teams. Maryland and Rutgers might be difficult to lure despite they have natural rivalries in ACC.
a) One always first targets the state flagships. b) T-Road hasn't run the ACC for decades. All of the failed expansions with old BIGEAST schools were pushed by the football schools over some degree of T-Road objection. You offer junk analysis.
Louisville to the Big 12 is a no brainer
The University of Kentucky will block Louisville from ever getting into the SEC. Louisville to the Big 12 is the only option available to them.
Add Memphis and that brings a very good Rivalry game.
@@matt8495doesn’t make sense for them to block why would they not want an easier in conference rival instead of Florida who they usually can’t beat. Also the Tv deal would just net them more money for the rivalry game which always gets huge audiences
@@matt8495or the opposite to make the rivalry even more secured
Money has destroyed college football. Maybe just stop with the "student athlete" farce, make it minor league pro football and stop making the kids go to school.
The NCAA is located in the United States (Indianapolis), but the people who run that organization sure don't act like Americans....
“After all, the chief business of the American people is business." President Calvin Coolidge
Amateurism (above the high school level) is Un-American!
Welcome to 2024
Should just have “club” teams. Meaning athletes are hired guns that represent the school but have nothing to do with the academic part.
@@frankleespeaking9519 Not a bad Idea. It should be the "students" Choice.
It’s not going to change, with schools having to pay athletes it’s going to get worse.
Mark my words, louisville will NEVER be a member of the SEC. Makes no sense for them to invite them. Big 12 makes sense for them.
Besides geographically, Louisville is better than most everyone besides 3 or 4 teams in football and they wouldn’t have to force a rivalry because Kentucky is already there
Unc a rising FB power?! Have you watched their FB team lately?
They’ve been better the last two years but calling them is a rising power ignores their history.
yeah I thought that was pretty funny ... Their lack of a competitive football program is why their not in the same conversations as FSU and Clemson
Who said that?
unccheat has had the two best QBs in their history and were still mediocre. Grandpa Mack has built a tissue paper soft program.
Supposedly the Belichick hire was for the purpose of getting UNC to take a step up in football to be able to join the SEC or B1G
My Cards would probably go to the Big 12
Imagine bringing back the cinci and wv rivalry
They're the only school that I think could fit in the Big 12, Big Ten, or SEC.
@@BasedEngineerkentucky would not want louisville in the sec
Big 12 would get Louisville Pitt Virginia Tech and NC State They are not getting SMU it’s pointless they already have a Dallas Ft Worth Market which is TCU and I Don’t See Texas Tech Baylor Houston and TCU allow them in the conference
Why would 2nd Tier ACC flight risks go to the BIG12?
@@tarheel7406 you way over rate your worth.
@@NiceHandTick Nope. I use the new BIG12 as a benchmark. I suspect you don't realize how the BIG12 is viewed from the outside.
@@tarheel7406who is 2nd tier
@@tarheel7406 Perhaps, but the Big12 is in the trouble the ACC is in.
You channeled your inner Gold & Blue Dude on this one Ginger 😂
NC House Bill 965: A state House bill (HB965) was filed on May 23, 2024, which would require North Carolina and North Carolina State to annually play each other in football, and at least once a season in men’s and women’s basketball, if they ended up separated by conference realignment. This bill was filed as the UNC System Board of Governors said it will attach UNC and NCSU at the hip in any potential future conference realignment if the Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) ceases to exist.
The BOG did not hard package UNC & NCTSTATE.
@@tarheel7406 It will only attach if the ACC ceases to exist. This was filed on Thursday 3 days ago. Below is the BOG attachment. The last sentence is the BOG attachment.
NC House Bill 965: A state House bill (HB965) was filed on May 23, 2024, which would require North Carolina and North Carolina State to annually play each other in football, and at least once a season in men’s and women’s basketball, if they ended up separated by conference realignment. This bill was filed as the UNC System Board of Governors said it will attach UNC and NCSU at the hip in any potential future conference realignment if the Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) ceases to exist.
@@kennethgolden5539 but even people in the government are not even sure if it will pass any legal challenges, as that is why they never went through with the bill many years ago requiring NC State to play ECU in football. As far as the UNC System board any school trying to move to another conference has to get approval from the system board and not get vetoed from the president of the board.
They can easily play each other annually in football and twice a year in basketball while being in separate conferences. Same for all their Olympic sports.
@@kennethgolden5539 How would a retroactive hip attachment work logistically?
lets just agree that this is all incredibly dumb
But it's a theoretical
It’s stupid but we got no other option
You loss all credibility with SMU to BIG 12
He lost all credibility when he left out BOTH Va schools from all three conferences!
True
@@Onti0628im pretty sure we wouldnt want smu back, (tcu fan here) even tho the swc rivalry would be back still big 12 has a dallas fort worth market
Honestly his whole take is kinda crappy. NC and FSU are going bigten, provide more money.
Another great take. FSU/Clemson identify well in the SEC. One point to consider: The SEC is really sensitive & careful about targeting teams/states/fan bases that identify with the South. So, culture is important to them. Sure, money is a priority, but they can get money teams w/o compromising the culture aspect. It is why so many want Vandy to be booted from the SEC.
Curious... For how long and by how many professionals must it be reported that CLEMSON and FSU are low expansion priorities for the SEC (and B1G)?
Georgia Tech is a lot like BC, big market but way too few care about GT sports for it to matter.
Yeah, I could see them dropping to the AAC
They won 1/2 a national championship in the 90's
@@quartermaster1976they basically won it though
@theneighborhoodmentors9347 Ken Swilling was a great safety and Marco something as the DE they didn't do anything in the NFL though. I'm not sure why they haven't been able to build a program and take advantage of such a great recruiting area.
@@quartermaster1976 it’s happening now, both football and basketball
Cal and Stanford maybe Duke go independent. This video makes me sad though. Hate that this is what it’s becoming.
I can see Cal and Stanford going independent in football and WCC in everything else.
I can see both of them disband there football teams. From what I know some of the people there are trying to find a reason to disband the teams.
@@scotttild arrogance destroyed the PAC.
I’ve been enjoying your other vids but it’s good to see another college football video.
The Big12 already rejected Cal/Stanford/WasZu/OreState. Makes more sense they bring the PAC12 back with those 4 and the best of the Mountain West.
why in hell would the big 12 want SMU?? Quit your big 10 bias.
Idk, maybe it would make sense to have a Texas school in the same conference with other Texas schools. Makes too much sense tho
Probably because they wanted Cincinnati, Central Florida, BYU, and Houston.
@@YOLO_GGY The BIG12 is already too large, too wide, and too Texas for a Tier 2 conference. A Texas school makes sense for the ACC managing its decline to that Tier 2 level, but not for the BIG12.
@@YOLO_GGYno, Texas Tech Baylor and TCU have worked for a long time to keep SMU and Houston out of the power 5. It's more competition, and SMU doesn't add anything.
@@YOLO_GGYtcu doesnt want anything with smu
William C. Friday ran the UNC system for 30 years. He would rollover in his grave if UNC or NCSU went to the SEC. Now the Legislature is trying to attach these two schools at the hip. The Legislature has gotten involved in these University sports before. They forced the 4 ACC schools in N.C. to play ECU, App State and others in a regular cycle. It is a lose lose for the ACC schools. Hurts in recruiting if you lose. Does not help in recruiting at all. These other schools circle a target around these games.
did you hear that usc and ucla went to the big 10?
That bill that you mention has not even been passed and signed into law as of yet. The legislature has used the threat of passing laws before, but has never gone threw with it in the end and even if the law is passed it does not mean it will survive legal challenges.
@@EyeOfTheWatcher Legal challenges? Like what? A court would deny the state the power to administer state entities in the way they feel is best for the state? Really?
Plus the state of North Carolina gave the ACC $15M
Nc state runs the north Carolina state government they will 100% use the power of the government purse to force unc and NC state together and sec and big10 don't want the wolf pack
SEC: FSU, Clemson, UNC, NC State
Big 12: Louisville, Pitt, GT, Duke, Syracuse, VT
B1G: Miami, VA, Stanford, Cal, ND*
ND would strike a similar agreement with the big 12 that they had with the ACC, otherwise they’d have to join either the SEC or B1G
florida and south caroilina would block fsu and clemson to join sec
All Coasts Conference (ACC) forms east & west divisions by adding Oregon St, Washington St, San Diego St., Colorado St., Tulane and/or Rice. Stanford, Cal+ SMU to the west division. Also, possible addition of UCLA if revenue sharing adjusted among Power4. Also, if revenue sharing adjusted among Power 4 then Nebraska to Big XII (XX).
Why would the B1G want a small private school located in the southern most state of the Continental United States at the end of a 400 mile long peninsula who doesn’t even have an on campus stadium. Add to that the football team has only been barely decent for the last 20 years, the stadium is usually half empty on game day, and the average day time temperature is close to 90 degrees in September and October. And on top of those concerns, the TV ratings have been poor for many years which makes me question just how much Fox is really interested in the Hurricanes. Miami will be lucky to get an invite to the Big 12 and if that doesn’t happen, they could end up in Conference USA playing FIU and Jacksonville State. The flight time from Miami to Seattle is longer than the flight time from Boston to Dublin Ireland across the Atlantic Ocean. Just saying.
There’s no way the SEC takes NC State or Louisville. The Big12 turned down SMU last year which is how they ended up in the ACC. A lot of these lower tier, left over ACC schools will end up in G5 eventually.
A ridiculous anlaysis
Also these have so many bad takes. Louisville is clearly B12 so will Duke. Miami to the b10 that’s a joke. VT is definitely getting picked to the SEC. B10 and Sec was reportedly looking into UVA most likely b10
The SEC would much rather have Va Tech than Louisville. They already have Kentucky and would love to get into Virginia.
SEC is where Virginia Tech would want to go. The 'Bigs' are not that compelling.
Only ones leaving are Clemson, Fsu . Acc survival At a 30% reduction it's all about biggest brands, not splitting the pie . Bog keeps any NC schools from moving .
To where would CLEMSON be going?
The BIG12 has already lost its top 6 (et).
@@tarheel7406 True , but that was then ,an this is now , do you think there not going anywhere? Please tell me why? Without you're acc Homer hat on , without Fsu,Clemson, acc and big 12 are even argument can be made but your just kidding yourself to think that Acc is any more or less than the big 12 , Acc loses 30 % of acc eyeball . Even with those two , not much the difference .
@@jeffmorgan9337
a) I see no B1G interest in CLEMSON; the SEC sees CLEMSON as disposable. So CLEMSON goes BIG12 or indy if only FSU is also leaving?
b) The ACC's value is more diversified than the BIG12's. The ACC would remain materially better than the BIG2 if only CLEMSON/FSU left.
@@jeffmorgan9337 I might have to disagree with you on the value of the ACC without FSU/Clemson. You must not be aware of the value of the biggest brand in college athletics, UNC. They are worth more than FSU and Clemson combined. When it comes time for ESPN to renegotiate, they will increase the ACC payout to an even higher level, almost on a par with the P2. Their value might not be as obvious but because they have a higher ceiling than either FSU or Clemson, ESPN will be opening their wallets. I have that on the authority of the poster you are replying to.
@@505premoto Appreciate your opinion, TV viewership 31 Louisville, 32 Miami, 33 Duke ,46 NC 1.3 million, for the 1st 3 NC slightly less than 1 million weekly Hope your right , expecting a small bump from espn because accn makes money but no Way they close gap from big2 Agree NC is a desirable brand . From TV payout, cfp distribution, all this is designed to make big 2 power brokers . FSU CLEM, are 36 % of acc viewership, Fsu 1 cfp clem 6 there going to get out . I just don't see
it .
With all this expansion going on I would not be surprised if The ACC changed their name to either the American Coast Conference, the American Conference, or The APC aka American Pacific Conference.
The Oceanic Conference
@@DCS736 that’s a good one.
Miami,ND, also big east. ND,Miami, Duke,Uconn,Army,Syracuse, California and Stanford will from a football alliance of independents that negotiate their own football deals
Miami and nd will not go to big east u forget that just a basketball conference now
One other point Duke has in its favor if maybe UNC wanted to bring them along as a package to the SEC is that Duke has a rivalry with Kentucky (primarily basketball but also in football whenever it manages to happen)
Notre Dame is the big piece in the puzzle, once they decide what makes sense to them, the realignment game will start to settle down. They value their independence and so far it has been working for them. If they joined the Big Ten that could make the Big Ten Conference even richer (or where ever they decide).
UNC-Duke will play each other in Basketball as long as the games are still played in college. Only question will be if it is one or two games per year. They are 8 miles a part. Don't know why you keep asking this question. FSU plays UF, SC plays Clemson, GT plays Ga, Louisville plays Kentucky, Va plays VT and that is just to name a few. All are in different conferences. Big 12 has talked about a Basketball Super Conference. A lot of the ACC would think that is appealing. UNC not so much.
I will say if fsu goes to the sec it’ll make that florida vs fsu game even bigger every year. Cuz lately it hasnt meant much. Seems like every time one team is good the other one is so so or bad. But this would make it to where if one team loses it could screw them ten times more now
Virginia and Virginia Tech are in different conferences? Do they know?
Splitting up the Tobacco Road 4 schools would be blasphemous. UNC and Duke need to be together, same with those two and NC State. I also WF still fitting in with them, I’ve always seen them as the piece that completes the puzzle.
The Big 12 doesn't want SMU
B1G - Miami, North Carolina, Virginia, Notre Dame, Stanford, California
SEC - NC State, Virginia Tech, Florida State, Clemson
XII - Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Georgia Tech, Duke, Wake Forest, SMU, Boston College
No power conference is going above 20 members:
B1G grabs UVA and then waits for ND.
SEC grabs FSU, Clemson, UNC and one more ACC school.
Big 12 grabs Louisville, Pitt, Miami, and one more ACC school.
Three power conferences with 20 members each.
Game. Set. Match.
As an LSU fan, I wouldn't mind having FSU and Clemson in the SEC. I would also go get North Carolina and Virginia for basketball .
Future of the ACC: Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, Temple, Tulane, Duke, Georgia Tech, Cal, Stanford, UConn, Memphis, Virginia, Oregon State, Washington State, San Diego State
WF??
Where is WF
UVA is leaving
South Florida to remain in the sunshine state.
Virginia and Pitt will leave. You might as well add USF,Boise State,ECU, Colorado State, Either UNLV or Fresno State .
SEC is NOT EXPANDING. None of the ACC teams move the needle enough to add them. BigTen loves adding Big Cities. Big12 will gobble up all the ACC teams
So true. Adding more southern schools to the SEC only delutes their product. Consider that Georgia just beat Clemson 34-3 and FSU started the season 0-3 it is delusional for the ACC to imagine these schools bring value to the SEC. The ACC is trash and will probably dissolve but ironically FSU and Clemson may among the schools that are stuck in the league.
Delusional....
@@tarheel7406 Nope, troll. Everyone is correct. The SEC is not expanding, and Texas will not allow it. The horns will flip in a heartbeat if they are disrespected. UNC is ACC for life and when the ACC collapses in 2036, UNC will have to go big east. Big 12, BIG, and SEC don't want UNC. How the tide has turned since last summer.
UNC is being left out per all the rumors and noise right now. This rejection is now at least 40+ years old.
As long as you are playing what if . How about a conference that has major media markets , historic rivals , strong fan bases, short travel distances, Competitive
Games, The new Big East Football only Conference
Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, Temple, Army, Navy, Rutgers, UMass, UConn,
Delaware , James Madison
Maryland, W Virginia .
A regional conference with strong media, fan base that makes sense . That people in the northeast would be interested in no offense to other conferences but if your not from those areas you dont care . It works both ways
Thats what these schools should do if the acc breaks up
FSU will join the Big Ten Conference (B1G) as soon as their exit from the ACC is finalized. (Provided something shocking at the last minute.)
20 sounds like the cap during this current set of media contracts.
So, two more Big Ten schools and four more SEC schools before 2030/4.
Will the ACC get a translucent roof, a major renovation, or will it get demolished?
I wish they would've just left the ACC the way it was. California is on the West Coast and makes no sense whatsoever! Leave sacred things alone and don't fix what isn't broken.
If the ACC implodes, I think there would be an effort for high-profile programs from both the ACC and Big 12 to form a third superconference of 18 schools to compete against the B1G and SEC. Football royalty, basketball brand-name appeal, academic elite schools with money, and institutional ties will determine who is in and who is out, but I see such a "third conference" looking like this:
FSU
Miami
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Duke
UNC
Virginia
Pitt
Louisville
Cal
Stanford
BYU
Utah
Colorado
Arizona
Arizona State
Kansas
Kansas State
Everyone else would be relegated to "Group of Five" status. It would suck for college football, but it would concentrate wealth in the hands of the Big Football and Big Money schools, which is the point of realignment these days.
My dad once said that all things will eventually circle around on itself and be somewhat as it was before greed reared its ugly head. I don’t know how or when but greed will eventually feed on itself or fans will stop caring and not watch anymore. With traditional rivalries gone and artificial ones created some people will not want to care, I am to that point.
What’s gonna happen is there is gonna be a overall NCAA college football league similar to Soccer in the UK where the top 20 teams play a season against each other and the two worst of the top 20 get relegated to a lower league et cetera et cetera. Otherwise there is no rhyme or reason conferences today.
The four schools that the SEC should go get are FSU and Clemson for football, North Carolina, and Virginia for basketball. That gets them to 20 teams.
The SEC has been telling FSU for 70 years we will let you join our conference. They are not going to the SEC. Florida has not wanted FSU in the SEC for more than 50 years. The other SEC schools do not want FSU.
What happen to Washington State
and Oregon State will they move to any football conference this season tell me ?
It's probably too late to change conferences this season so they'll probably stuck with the 2 team Pac 12 for this season unless they're be willing to be independent until they find a new conference.
They will play Some Mountain West teams, like Notre Dame does with the ACC.
Well legally NC State
Is bound to UNC by state law, so it's both or neither you can't pick one off unless the state legislature decides otherwise.
Also VA has a similar law with UVA and VTech
Neither these states or these schools are in any position to make any demands. When ESPN cancels the ACC media right contract, it will be every school for itself. I can see the AAC willing to take all 4 schools, but not the B1G or the SEC or even the Big 12.
The SEC wants to expand it's footprint. They are all over getting UNC. You have to think about adding value. UNC is their number one target. Even all the SEC reporters like Finebaum have said that.
Finebaum says a lot of stuff ... The SEC values football championships ... Only FSU and Clemson have won or even chased Football championships in the ACC in the past 30 years ... UNC will get a offer from the SEC only after FSU turns the SEC down and Clemson needs a partner
@@ddcs0s Nope. CLEMSON and FSU are disposable to the SEC. Both UVA and UNC bring far more synergies to the SEC and have higher football ceilings in a closed ~48-team Tier 1 in the SEC.
@@tarheel7406 February 1st is here and it looks like no UNC invite will be arriving!
Cfb is finally getting some order as far as conference realignment goes. Time to separate the contenders from the pretenders for a better on field product
This is a fairly uneducated video. You're putting teams into the SEC in the Big 10 that are clearly Big 12 schools. Outside of Clemson and Florida State, and UNC, the ACC upper echelon is very similar to the Big 12. Bottom of the ACC is not valuable to the Big 12, and would be a net negative. You overvalued the top of the ACC and undervalued the Big 12 conference as a whole.
I think we need to remember the main motivator for both the big10 and big12 is tv revenue. Aka metro markets.
With that said, I think getting in a major market then don't already have is the qualifier for any addition.
So what are the biggest metro big10 is missing?
Atlanta
North Carolina/Virginia
Texas - Dallas/Houston/Austin/San Antonio
Florida- Miami / Tallahassee
I don't see a scenario where anyone outside of those metro, or their rivals/state tag-a-longs are seriously considered.
FSU wants the BiG.
FSU fans want big 10
@@Almighty5-ww1klAnd the B1G doesn’t want them? Explain why.
@@505premoto what makes you thank the Big 10 doesn’t want FSU
@@Almighty5-ww1kl HUH?
@@505premoto you said “and the Big 10 dnt want them , please explain “ and I Texted back what makes you thank they dnt want them ( FSU)
I agree with your take here. FSU, Clemson, UNC and Duke are the best 4 for the SEC. Unc and duke both are bkue blood basketball and also have high football ceilings with sec money and exposure
Big ten are not adding Miami, florida state and North Carolina are joining the big ten
UNC will join the SEC if and when they leave the ACC. It’s all but official. Clemson will come along with UNC. FSU will join the B1G when they get clear of the ACC.
Cal & Stanford, in order to keep them as far as geographically away from their campuses, will be joining the CFL
This is almost always about TV Markets. For the SEC it would make sense to take a North Carolina school and a Virginia school. Because the SEC places football first, the Virginia school would be Virginia Tech. The North Carolina school would most likely be NC State. It's not that Clemson and FSU are not valuable programs, they just don't add TV markets. The SEC already has the SC markets with USC and the Florida markets with UF.
One always first targets the state flagships.
@@tarheel7406 Notre Dame and USC. Oops, caught you another lie!
UNC being a SEC reject school is well-known since 1980!
Academically, Cal & Stanford are attractive, & they would give the west coast B1G teams other teams, but Cal literally brings almost nothing to the table. You can add Stanford but only with the caveat that ND comes along. Cal & Stanford would probably go to the G5 Pac 12 with Oregon State/Washington St. These moves are about football now & Cal & Stanford just don't bring much to the table.
Who knows, but the Big 12 wil be like the dog at the dinner table, waiting on scraps.
Scraps are better than nothing. Didn't the ACC learn from the Pac12?
An ACC depletion just puts the BIG12 further behind.
Your big 12 is not real.
SEC already said they not interested in FLA State
The only prizes for the power to would-be Clemson, FSU and Notre Dame. If Oregon and Washington had to beg and give up concessions to get in, I don’t think anybody else has any chance. The ACC might well stay together at that point or have some of the better schools go to the big 12, it would all depend on the money at the time.
The BIG12 is the worst P4 (by far). Why would any ACC member move there?
@ if the SEC/B1g each take 2 ACC teams will the rest stay in the conference? I think not
@@johnfaris5376 The BIG12 has already lost its top 6 (net) and Tier 2 football will be fungible. There's no reason for any ACC schools to go to the new BIG12, which is already too large and wide.
@@tarheel7406 The ACC gets worse ratings than the Big 12 and all schools save Miami, FSU, and Clemson have zero football value. UNC-Duke value is in a Division 1 breakaway as a basketball school. That is highly unlikely meaning UNC is up a creek without a paddle.
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Calford have said NO to Big12
And Big12 has said no to them.
Actually, it was Texas Tech and Oklahoma State and said no to Cal and Stanford. They rejected the two after those schools would not let Texas technoisseur join the pac-12 when the Big 12 first destabilized.
Everybody thinks about and to some degree Basketball when you speak of realignment. Nobody talks about the increased spending that this will cause with all the other sports. When schools have to pay to fly their Men's Bowling Team across the country now instead of driving them on a bus. For schools like Cal or Stanford every sport that they participate in now requies a cross country flight. They now have to pay to fly their Women's Cross Country Team across the country to an away match. Nobody is talking about the cost of all the traveling and the stress that these athletes will be under, constantly changing time zones. I personally think that this is going to be more of a factor than people think.
This video, like all others on this subject, aged very poorly.
Louisville and NCState to the SEC...hilarious
Pitt is not a big 12 school at all
You must be getting your information from Genetics 56 and Tony Altimore. What incredibly bad takes.
Unc and NC state are tied together by state law.
Nope
UNC Will have their choice between the two big boys. If NCS leaves it will be for the big 12.
No they are not, as the only thing that has been passed is a "new longer process" to get approval to switch conferences by the UNC board..
UNC can go to the SEC. I do not believe the Big Ten is going to be forced into adding any sister schools. UNC just isnt that valuable. No school is that valuable to the Big Ten. Look at Notre Dame. If we did not bend over backward like the ACC need to get Notre Dame one foot in, why would we do similar for UNC?
Take it to the SEC if that is the State of North Carolina's stance.
The only "tie" they have is that they must play each other yearly.
Florida st and Clemson are going to big ten and Virginia and North Carolina to sec
??? Don't you mean the other way around? FSU and Clemson have the SEC mentality while UVA and UNC have the Big 10's academic standards.
Sec would not get Virginia
UVA is not SEC material on the field.
Neither UNC or UVA have won 10 games in a season in 10 years the SEC already have Vandy, Arkansas, Miss St.
UNC and Clemson will be numbers 17 and 18 to the SEC. FSU is going to the B1G.
Don't think FSU wants to be on the market right now after a 2-10 season
Clemson and FSU reportedly are favorites to join the B1G. The SEC doesn't seem to want to add more teams from Florida and South Carolina is the rumor. They were fine with it when it came to a brand like Texas while already having A&M.
Stanford and Cal to the B1G make no sense at this point. They could've already taken both schools at a very reduced rate but opted not to. Why would they do that now. Cal especially is just a deadweight program. That team likely would end up in the MWC or re-imagined PAC which is MWC 2.0. Stanford could get into the B1G if ND joins the B1G and wants it. Again, the bay area is big, but nobody cares about Stanford athletics. If the B1G are trying to add teams in the west then Utah makes sense. Louisville seems destined to the B12. UNC and Virginia, to the SEC is also a rumor floating out there.
DG has a lot of bad takes but this makes way more sense than the garbage from College Football Addiction. That dude blows up the ACC on a daily basis it’s nuts.
You can't say it's all about football and Duke is in consideration. It's one or the other.
FSU going to Big Ten with Stanford and ND. Big Ten going for 24 or 26 teams, GT, UNC to Big Ten as well.
Pitt to the big ten is good because of the rivalry with pennstate
Our rivalry with WVU is bigger at this point. B12 move would guarantee that annually.
You can’t have a rivalry if Penn State isn’t all that interested in playing Pitt (4 times in the last 25 years). Neither PSU or OSU want Pitt in the B1G . I’m not even sure the Big 12 wants Pitt.
@Funkenstein91 then who should the big ten take over pitt
There is nothing left on the board that would make the SEC anymore money. If they bring in another pair of teams, it will reduce the pay for the reat of the league.
Not true FSU and Clemson both bring in more than the SEC yearly TV payout so both could raise the value of a SEC TV share
@@ddcs0s but even still, they have pissed off ESPN, which shows SEC games.
@@George-Kliavkoff4Big12 For the amount of money FSU brings in (which is more than most SEC programs) ESPN will get over it ... These are massive companies signing off on billion dollar deals FSU and ESPN may feel some kind of way but if you're letting petty BS impact you're business decisions you're company will fail ... Now I think the B1G will also offer FSU an invite and the B1G actually pays more in it's TV deal than the SEC and would push the AAU to bring FSU into that organization which will also generate money for FSU so it might not even be the smartest thing for FSU to join the SEC realistically FSU could turn a SEC invite down and it be the right call
SEC - Clemson, FSU, Virginia Tech
B1G - UNC, Duke, Miami, Virginia
Big 12 - Boston College, Louisville, NCST, Pitt, Georgia Tech
(new) Pac10 - Cal, Stanford, SMU, (Boise, UNLV, Memphis, SDSU, SJSU)
American - Syracuse, Wake Forest
virginia would be a better fit in the big 12
@@JJOfficalChannel No clue
@@tarheel7406 At least they know UNC is not going SEC. Should have said UNC to Big East for accuracy.
If you think UNC to SEC is possible, you don't know UNC.
You disrespect the Big XII. On average, the Big XII is much better than the SEC academically. Don’t see SMU getting in the Big XII, but can see Louisville, Virginia Tech, Pitt, NC State, Duke, and Miami as strong Big XII candidates with Georgia Tech being a possibility.
B1G wants FSU, Clemson, Miami, and ND
This is all wild speculation, filled with contradictions, ifs, maybes, unlikelys and fantasies. For many, this is a fun exercise, but in reality it is a total waste of time.
Came across your videos by accident. Your videos are awesome. I now follow you on X. Really like your political videos as well! So my question is does the ACC survive? Looks like UCONN is about to join the Big 12. I know there was bad blood between ACC teams and UCONN from 20 some years ago. But that’s all water under the bridge. Three or four ACC teams are on UCONN’s football schedule every year. But for some reason they still don’t want UCONN in the conference. Phillips is not a proactive guy. He will regret not adding UCONN if/when there is a mass exodus.
I’m a RFK jr guy. Your coverage of him moving to the Trump camp was excellent! He made the correct decision. I will be voting Trump / Vance / Kennedy in November!
The ACC added SMU over UCONN, yet you claim that water is now under the bridge?
Yeah, I base that on how the relations with Boston College improved to the point where they’ve scheduled home & aways with UCONN again - just finished the second one last year. And ACC teams have no problem scheduling UCONN now. Seems like they have 3 or 4 ACC teams on our schedule every year. Yes, they added SMU over UCONN. My take on that is that the ACC wants access to the Dallas market and SMU was willing to take no payout for 9 years or something like that. Does Phillips and some of the university presidents still hold a grudge? Maybe but I doubt it. As a UCONN guy I’m not over losing any more sleep over conference realignment. Not being in the ACC hasn’t impeded UCONN’s success in basketball and other sports. It has impacted football for sure. But in the end UCONN will always be a basketball first school. I would add that I would be content to remain in the Big East if they can’t get into the ACC. Don’t want to move to the Big 12.
@@jamesk7963 The biggest objectors have been the "football schools" and the former BIGEAST (especially MIAMI). I see no objective reason to favor SMU (a Tier 4 private G5) over an east coast state flagship, a forever decision. Other factors tipped the scale. I personally think the water should be now far downstream, but UNC wasn't affected by UCONN's extreme tactics. Similar to the current FSU situation actually.
When you say extreme tactics you mean when UCONN sued the ACC? That would piss me off too. That was beyond stupid on the State of Connecticut’s part. They ruined any good will they had left. But wasn’t UNC in UCONN’s corner when Maryland left? And yes the football schools derailed UCONN and demanded that Louisville be added. I’d be surprised if the ACC adds any more schools for awhile. The ACC will not be imploding anytime soon. And that’s a good thing. Yes, FSU has expended any good will they had left. The SEC / B1G won’t touch them. Being a good conference mate means a lot.
@@jamesk7963 Suing was bad enough, but the state officials also sued people personally rather than just their offices.
The ACC is imploding?
Louisville and SMU to big 1a2 probably will happen
Kentucky will NEVER allow louisville into the SEC. B1G just wont accept louisville. My guess is big12. Lol as a louisville fan and grad, im used to us having to find conferences
This college sports landscape conference realignments is getting too out of hand. We all know it’s not about scholarships for student athletes. It’s about money,greed and power 😡😡😡
Virginia Tech not getting into at least the big 12 is laughable. They have a better football program. They will compete for a playoff spot this coming year. And an SEC style fan base.
The only teams going to the SEC will be FSU,UNC,Clemson realistically. I dont see other ACC schools getting the invite to the SEC.
The SEC's preferred ACC 4- bloc is likely UVA, UNC, DUKE +1.
@tarheel7406 source ? I'm an SEC guy and haven't heard much about Duke,UVA, or anyone else outside FSU,clemson, and UNC. The SEC is a football conference, not a basketball conference. Something fundamental that most are not taking into account.
@@panchogeorocks History. Multiple reporters and analysts. The SEC wants to be the best conference on all factors, something that most are not taking into account.
This consolidation is likely to be the last major realignment at the top level. These decisions will have effects over multiple generations. Secure the best still available options from a long-term perspective or lose them forever.
@@panchogeorocks I'm writing from the future and it is clear the SEC is not pushing hard to get UVA/UNC as the ACC extension is February 1st. Notice how you asked Tarheel for a SOURCE and he could not provide any. He believes spin sent out by the confernces to protect themselves from tampering.
@@tarheel7406 Nope!
These options are just dumb....don't know how you suggest such bad options
Miami has ZERO loyalty to the ACC, they only joined to be with Florida State in the first place. I know Florida may be adverse to Miami joining (Florida being afraid of the Canes is a running joke in Coral Gables). I think the SEC as a whole would likely be enamored with a monopoly of Florida's "Big 3" in terms of recruiting high school hotbed Florida. On a similar note, adding Cal and Stanford would give the Big Ten a stronghold on California recruiting
One could argue that MIAMI is the primary reason for the ACC's current situation. It's clinging to ND's coattails and keeping quiet.
@@tarheel7406 On could and does argue that UNC sucks, has horrible colors and fans, and is an SEC reject school.
This story is now 3.6 years old
Nobody wants Duke it’s nc state that would go with unc
The SEC had standing invites for UNC/DUKE for years, likely still do.
@@scotttild nc state makes more from there football program in 1 year than Duke does with there basketball in 2
@@scotttild let’s not be ridiculous neither the sec nor big 10 want anything to do with Duke nor have they ever said they wanted anything to do with them
@@tarheel7406 Lying again about "standing invites". Any source for these LIES?
NC rising football power?? What? Then Minnesota must be a juggernaut since they are favored by 2 first game of year...NC is all football hype - lousy tv ratings, fan apathy and the opposite of rising football team...
And a tissue paper candy ass football program
SMU, Cal & Stanford would all go to the PAC-12.
NC State is a great fit for the SEC
The Power 3 Conferences will only take 6 teams. SEC gets FSU & Clemson . The Big 10 might not take any teams. That leaves 4 teams to the Big 12.
a) There will be no peer P3
b) For how long and by how many professionals must it be reported that CLEMSON and FSU are low expansion priorities for the SEC?
d) Why would your expected ACC remainders downgrade to the new BIG12?
@@tarheel7406 Asked and answered. UNC is in a third-rate conference with bad tv ratings.
Nebraska vs Miami every year
This Dude just runs wild at the mouth!
With all the views you are now getting, you are going to have to change your handle to "Manic Ginger." Congratulations on your rise to big time numbers.
The only thing I know about this issue is that the SEC wants North Carolina down the road because there are four top 50 media markets in the state, and the prior commissioner to Greg Sankey talked about Virginia many years ago, because of two large media markets there with DC and the Tidewater (Norfolk/Portsmouth/Newport News) area. And, the Richmond market has grown quite a bit.
Commissioner Sankey talked about this at the meetings in Nashville last year, saying that the SEC wants to stay at 16 in the near future but would revisit this issue if it was forced to be done sooner than they would like. He has talked about not cannibalizing markets, so Clemson and Florida State figure to not be on the SEC's radar (and there are probably enough school presidents to blackball both schools. North Carolina and Virginia would be the most likely 17 and 18 for the SEC.
I don't think any of these conferences get to 20 except the Big 10. Espn has serious money issues, so they aren't paying for all these schools. The Big 12 aren't taking the schools you chose. SEC would take FSU & Clemson, that's it.
CLEMSON & FSU are disposable to the SEC.
@@tarheel7406 Apparently UNC is disposable to the BIG/SEC. Any February 1st invite to announce?
ACC Expansion teams: UTSA, Texas State, Memphis, Tulane, APP State, Liberty
Depend on what do you mean by imploded, ACC could simply to add new teams from AAC or Big 12. SEC already denied FSU and Clemson ,but they did want Virginia Tech and North Carolina State. Tbh, ACC need new commissioner while UNC, Duke, and Virginia need to join Big 10 because they're cancer to ACC like they screamed want to be elite academic while ignored best interests to make ACC one of top conferences. They're easy replaced by West Virginia, Connecticut, and Cincinnati then ACC can focus on natural rivalry and good overall athletic program teams. Maryland and Rutgers might be difficult to lure despite they have natural rivalries in ACC.
a) One always first targets the state flagships.
b) T-Road hasn't run the ACC for decades. All of the failed expansions with old BIGEAST schools were pushed by the football schools over some degree of T-Road objection.
You offer junk analysis.
@@tarheel7406 Notre Dame and USC. Oops, caught you another lie!
UNC being a SEC reject school is well-known since 1980!