So I used the shape creator to make a shoulder bolt. Tool 1 is my rougher and tool 2 is my finisher. I already set my tools with the probe arm and set my materials. The program works great with just X and Z tool offsets but when I have a radius definition per the tool insert, it alarms out the program I created………?? What am I missing??
Hello. When using G42 (OD) or G41 (ID) cutter compensation, a lot of the potential alarms are either the initial "lead in" when drawing the shape, or the "lead out" when finishing the shape. Each of these lines should be larger than the size of the tool's nose radius, which you'll input into the tool offsets page. Also remember that when using cutter comp, you also will need to include the "Tip Value" (Typically Tip 3 for OD tools, turning towards the chuck, and Tip 2 for ID / Boring Bars). Thank you for watching!
Hi, I am new to cnc programing and have a new HAAS ST-10 Lathe. Your video is very helpful and the way you explain it makes it very understandable. Thank you so much and please make more video's. Thanks again Christian
Thanks for the comment Christian. Please make sure you're following our channel. We look forward to making more helpful videos for you and others. Take care and have a great week!
Hi Darren, Hate to keep bugging you but you seem to explain things in away I can understand. Not sure if you can help with this question but is there a way to cut the OD profile from the Chuck toward the tail stock? I am asking because I am turning PVC plastic and the chips/strands get wraped around the work piece and pushed against the chuck. I have to keep stopping and clearing it. Real pain. If I could cut from the chuck side out it would just push the cut material off the end. Any ideas on how to do that? Can the VPS program it? Thank you Christian
Hey Man. No worries at all. If you make your "Rapid Point" and your "Start Point" begin at your negative most Z location (close to the chuck), and then draw the part "backwards", the profile can be cut with a back-facing tool, away from the chuck. Do keep in mind that the machine will retract and rapid back "towards the chuck" with each return pass, including the final pass as well. I hope this works great for you as planned!
I use vps every day on st25 , st 35 and vf2ss . the term id turn is not correct it should be changed to left machining and the od turn to right machining. the absence of calculation of intersection points is penalizing for haas, the competition (mazatrol) is very, very far ahead. perhaps a VPS+ option to develop😊
Thanks for your feedback. You'd be surprised how fast you get with it after writing many programs (Much the same as Mazatrol). The issue that I've always had with Mazatrol, is that it's great, until it's not. I enjoy working with G-Code because it puts ME in the driver's seat. With Mazatrol, I often have to settle with "Well, it's not doing what I want, but I'll have to live with it, LOL". Hope you've had a great week.
Hobby machinist with a Haas TL2. I enjoyed this however it seems so much faster to do something in fusion360 and send it to the machine. Am I missing something? Thank you
Hey thanks a ton. Your video was very informative indeed. Our shop just came up on a Haas TL1. Now it’s been a while since I’ve had formal training on actual cnc. For the last two years I have most just hand jogged and measured my parts on a manual lathe. My last interaction with a haas the system had the “IPS” system. So me and my Coworker will be attempting to self teach and learn gcode with the VPS. Look forward to your other videos.
@@Darren_HFO_Champions Hi Darren, Maybe you could do one on making say 3 identical parts that for example each one around 1.5" long on one piece of stock where you face the part then cut a oring groove on the OD and then drill a hole in the center and then part it off then face the next one and do all the same to two more all in one program. On my project I drew the 3 parts on one length of stock with room to part off in shape creator. After I part the first part I,m having a issue figuring out how to get it to face in the exact location for the second and third part so the distance from the oring groove is the exact same location from the face on all 3 of them. Hope this make sense. Than you Christian
@@SacSityCorvette . Sorry for the delayed response. When making multiple parts from a single program, I normally like to use 3 work offsets, and make the cutting program an M97 sub routine. This allows you to better control the face of each part. Example: - Set the "Z0" for your three parts, as G54, G55, and G56. - Create the program using this format: % O2222 (Example program, making 3 parts) (Tool list here) G54 M97 P1111 (Go to line number 1111 below) G55 M97 P1111 G56 M97 P1111 M30 N1111 (Sub routine - machining program) T0101 (Face and Turn) (Note: Strip all G54 commands from all lines below) ..... ..... M99 (End of Sub routine) % Also reference this video from Mark at Haas Automation: th-cam.com/video/NutStjpWJck/w-d-xo.html Thank you
@@Darren_HFO_Champions Hi Darren, You advice in using the G54,G55 and G56 worked out great. I have everything pretty much dialed except for the VPS OD Grooving. The grooves are perfect but I can't seem to get it to do the the Edge Break Chamfer. I am trying to to do a .020" Chamfer on the outer edge to knock the burr off but it only cuts air. I have change the setting from small to big just to see if it would do a chamfer . It goes through the motions but never does the chamfer . It barely touched the OD. Frustrating! :( I even tried the Radius and same thing. I believe my tool offset is correct because the grove dimensions are prefect. Any ideas would really be appreciated. Thank you Christian
Hi Andrew. Are you referring to the facing cycle, one of the turning cycles, or the shape creator itself? We're glad to help, but would need to better understand the question. Thank you for watching!
@@Darren_HFO_Champions i’ve just set the g54 as the face , then move off the part and move the distance i need to face and set that as g54. then in the facing program i entered the distance i moved as the “face stock” in the program. it’s just weird because on the tl-1/2’s we have we set the g54 as the face and tell it how much to take off and it does exactly that
@@andrewramirez3332 . OK. I fully understand now. I've worked with both the older "Intuitive control software", as well as the new "VPS (Visual Programming System" software, and you are correct. Haas made this change after asking many customer's their preferred method of facing. Most replied that they want the finished face of the part to become "Z0". This way, after facing, the other dimensions in the part shape can be reflected by the dimensions on their print. I, for one, agree with that change and enjoy using it more. Thank you for the feedback, and hope you have a great week.
So I used the shape creator to make a shoulder bolt. Tool 1 is my rougher and tool 2 is my finisher. I already set my tools with the probe arm and set my materials. The program works great with just X and Z tool offsets but when I have a radius definition per the tool insert, it alarms out the program I created………?? What am I missing??
Hello. When using G42 (OD) or G41 (ID) cutter compensation, a lot of the potential alarms are either the initial "lead in" when drawing the shape, or the "lead out" when finishing the shape. Each of these lines should be larger than the size of the tool's nose radius, which you'll input into the tool offsets page. Also remember that when using cutter comp, you also will need to include the "Tip Value" (Typically Tip 3 for OD tools, turning towards the chuck, and Tip 2 for ID / Boring Bars). Thank you for watching!
Thank you! I’ll check the lead in and lead outs
Hi,
I am new to cnc programing and have a new HAAS ST-10 Lathe. Your video is very helpful and the way you explain it makes it very understandable.
Thank you so much and please make more video's.
Thanks again
Christian
Thanks for the comment Christian. Please make sure you're following our channel. We look forward to making more helpful videos for you and others.
Take care and have a great week!
Absolutely best tutorial for the newer Haas control on youtube. Definitely helped me understand what I could potentially be getting into.
Hi Darren,
Hate to keep bugging you but you seem to explain things in away I can understand.
Not sure if you can help with this question but is there a way to cut the OD profile from the Chuck toward the tail stock?
I am asking because I am turning PVC plastic and the chips/strands get wraped around the work piece and pushed against the chuck. I have to keep stopping and clearing it. Real pain. If I could cut from the chuck side out it would just push the cut material off the end. Any ideas on how to do that? Can the VPS program it?
Thank you
Christian
Hey Man. No worries at all. If you make your "Rapid Point" and your "Start Point" begin at your negative most Z location (close to the chuck), and then draw the part "backwards", the profile can be cut with a back-facing tool, away from the chuck. Do keep in mind that the machine will retract and rapid back "towards the chuck" with each return pass, including the final pass as well. I hope this works great for you as planned!
@@Darren_HFO_Champions I'll work on that. Scary having it Rapid back toward Chuck. Even at 5% speed. :0
Outstanding video. Probably the best teaching video I've ever seen. Thanks
We can't thank you enough for the kind words, Bill! We truly enjoy doing these videos.
I use vps every day on st25 , st 35 and vf2ss . the term id turn is not correct it should be changed to left machining and the od turn to right machining. the absence of calculation of intersection points is penalizing for haas, the competition (mazatrol) is very, very far ahead. perhaps a VPS+ option to develop😊
Pretty time consuming compared to Mazak.
Thanks for your feedback. You'd be surprised how fast you get with it after writing many programs (Much the same as Mazatrol). The issue that I've always had with Mazatrol, is that it's great, until it's not. I enjoy working with G-Code because it puts ME in the driver's seat. With Mazatrol, I often have to settle with "Well, it's not doing what I want, but I'll have to live with it, LOL". Hope you've had a great week.
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Hobby machinist with a Haas TL2. I enjoyed this however it seems so much faster to do something in fusion360 and send it to the machine. Am I missing something? Thank you
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Hey thanks a ton. Your video was very informative indeed. Our shop just came up on a Haas TL1. Now it’s been a while since I’ve had formal training on actual cnc. For the last two years I have most just hand jogged and measured my parts on a manual lathe. My last interaction with a haas the system had the “IPS” system. So me and my Coworker will be attempting to self teach and learn gcode with the VPS. Look forward to your other videos.
Thank you. I really enjoy doing these videos, and hope to do a ton more in the future!
@@Darren_HFO_Champions Hi Darren,
Maybe you could do one on making say 3 identical parts that for example each one around 1.5" long on one piece of stock where you face the part then cut a oring groove on the OD and then drill a hole in the center and then part it off then face the next one and do all the same to two more all in one program. On my project I drew the 3 parts on one length of stock with room to part off in shape creator. After I part the first part I,m having a issue figuring out how to get it to face in the exact location for the second and third part so the distance from the oring groove is the exact same location from the face on all 3 of them. Hope this make sense. Than you
Christian
@@SacSityCorvette . Sorry for the delayed response. When making multiple parts from a single program, I normally like to use 3 work offsets, and make the cutting program an M97 sub routine. This allows you to better control the face of each part. Example:
- Set the "Z0" for your three parts, as G54, G55, and G56.
- Create the program using this format:
%
O2222 (Example program, making 3 parts)
(Tool list here)
G54
M97 P1111 (Go to line number 1111 below)
G55
M97 P1111
G56
M97 P1111
M30
N1111 (Sub routine - machining program)
T0101 (Face and Turn)
(Note: Strip all G54 commands from all lines below)
.....
.....
M99 (End of Sub routine)
%
Also reference this video from Mark at Haas Automation: th-cam.com/video/NutStjpWJck/w-d-xo.html
Thank you
@@Darren_HFO_Champions Thank you so much for the help! I'll give it a shot.:)
@@Darren_HFO_Champions Hi Darren,
You advice in using the G54,G55 and G56 worked out great. I have everything pretty much dialed except for the
VPS OD Grooving. The grooves are perfect but I can't seem to get it to do the the Edge Break Chamfer. I am trying to to do a .020" Chamfer
on the outer edge to knock the burr off but it only cuts air. I have change the setting from small to big just to see if it would do a chamfer .
It goes through the motions but never does the chamfer . It barely touched the OD. Frustrating! :( I even tried the Radius and same thing.
I believe my tool offset is correct because the grove dimensions are prefect.
Any ideas would really be appreciated.
Thank you
Christian
Another great video, clear and concise. THANKS!
Thank you so much.
am i the only one that has it start at the face stock away from it and it ends at where i set my g54
Hi Andrew. Are you referring to the facing cycle, one of the turning cycles, or the shape creator itself? We're glad to help, but would need to better understand the question. Thank you for watching!
@@Darren_HFO_Champions the facing
@@Darren_HFO_Champions i’ve just set the g54 as the face , then move off the part and move the distance i need to face and set that as g54. then in the facing program i entered the distance i moved as the “face stock” in the program.
it’s just weird because on the tl-1/2’s we have we set the g54 as the face and tell it how much to take off and it does exactly that
@@andrewramirez3332 . OK. I fully understand now. I've worked with both the older "Intuitive control software", as well as the new "VPS (Visual Programming System" software, and you are correct. Haas made this change after asking many customer's their preferred method of facing. Most replied that they want the finished face of the part to become "Z0". This way, after facing, the other dimensions in the part shape can be reflected by the dimensions on their print. I, for one, agree with that change and enjoy using it more. Thank you for the feedback, and hope you have a great week.
Thank you very much.