Set Up Live Tools Properly on Your Haas Lathe - Haas Automation Tip of the Day
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- Properly setting up live tools on a turning center can be tricky. Today, Mark guides you through the process with a step-by-step tutorial that will answer all your questions. If you have a Haas lathe with live tooling, or are considering getting one, this video is a must for you!
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Hi, i need a help. How to manually align a live tool. It isn't a collinear with the x axis by the 0,2mm. Thanks.
Very good video.
Could you show in another video how to set up the BMT tools on the right side of the tower?
12:10 Why not touch off left, right and get the radius from that?
Hi there, from Mark! I've had a few people ask me how tight they should tighten those M10 bolts on their VDI holders. Here are the numbers that I go with:
Axial VDI 40 Holders: 30 ft-lb (41 Nm)
Radial VDI 40 Holders: 37 ft-lb (50 Nm)
Over-tightening these bolts can throw your tool angles off by a small amount.
-Mark, Haas Tips of the Day
These instructional videos have become better and better over time.
Thanks for the comment Diabolos1, we're going to keep working at it. :)
Great Video! Thank you so much. As I never saw a turning center in real life and wanted to see how the VDI 40 works, this was really great!
Very good video.
Could you show in another video how to set up the BMT tools on the right side of the tower?
Explained the things in a best possible way.Thanks
I wish Hass Automation could make a video sharing some ways to take tool offset for angled live tool. Thank you!
You are the man. Its at my dreams to own a haas cnc machine. Thanks for the tips. Keep it up.
Love the vids. Love Mark, like the way he comes across. I'd like to see more lathe TOD' s. I'm a lathe guy and can use all the help I can.
Has helped me a lot. I graduate my CNC course next week and these hass videos have helped so much a long the way
Joseph Peebles - Congrats on finishing up on your CNC studies! I’ve always been blown away by CNC machines, fun industry. Go do something cool! - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day
Just finished myself, now im programming and operating brand new haas st-25 y. The real fun begins soon!
Thanks Mark
The Haas is performing even better with first class Benz live tooling. Powerful, reliable and precise
i'm the salty guy type who's never satisfied with any thing but really these videos are keeping my mouth shut :D so really good job haas
Thanks for the support Khalid!
You, guys, are crazy.
Thanks for the awesome explanations
Cool TipS !!
hej! denna video är mycket bra och givande.
tack så mycket....HAAS.
I'm trying to find information on teaching live tools using the Next Generation Control. After playing around with my machine I found out these instructions are not correct for the new control. No need to correct the tool table for half the diameter on the tool. I'm also confused about what page I should be on for making tool offsets on live tools. Oddly enough, it's not in the "Live Tool Wear" column. Your videos and explanation of topics is outstanding! Keep up the great work :)
Master40 - This is a great topic for a video, we’ll move it up on our list! We are making software changes to the way we input our Live-Tooling Tool Diameters. There are new columns on NGC lathes called Live Tool Radius and Live Tool Wear, but these are currently just placeholders for an upcoming software improvement. We can enter our Live Tool Radius onto our Radius Geometry column on the Tool Offset page, in the same way we always have, for now. Cutter compensation must still be called in the program (G41/G42) to make use of the value in Radius Geometry. Thanks for the question, this will definitely end up in a video. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day
@@haasautomation Mark, with the NGC control, the VPS portion just generates the G211 for you. We make extensive use of the G41/G42 when using XC to XY interpolation. For an axial tool, using F2 to set to center line works for centering the tool. When using the probing macro for it, I've found that it's not quite right because the tool isn't a perfect .500 DIA. Being able to get the actual DIA from the presetter like with the OTP in our mill would be awesome and solve both the centerline issue and the wear issue for G112. Thanks!
@@haasautomation Patiently waiting...
Why not make a probing cycle for radial live tooling that probes on both sides of the tool probe to calculate center line and DIA of the tool? Like the renishaw tool probes for mills.
definitely doable. You would have to copy and modify the probing macro to output the two values to unused registers, do the math, then store in Z geometry register. You have most of the program you would need already, just need to do some copy and paste
That was my biggest question after the video.
Same! Would love to see this. Especially on the NGC now you use the VPS to generate the touch-off for it. It only generates a G211 though, which doesn't really give you options to work with the offsets and calculate the diameter.
Great video, thank you Marc
Great video, you guys are the standard for informational videos.
Love the videos, really good!!! Thanks Mark and all involved.
Nice work. Clear as a bell.
I know the video is a couple of months old, but I was wondering why the endmill is rotating when being indicated?
I can see the pro's of this, as getting the outer diameter right on the endmill by rotating it by hand would be quite difficult, and I don't know if there is any standard as to the placement of the shank-groove (of that is the right word - hope you get what I'm trying ti say) for the set-screw in accordance to the tips of one of the teeth.
If the latter is actually something that is taken into consideration from the manufacturer's perspective, then wouldn't it be easier to design a radial tool-holder with the function of an M29 code (spindle sync for tapping cycles if I remember correctly) each time it stops spinning? :)
Anyways, thanks for all the expertly explained videos - they give me a good understanding of many things I haven't had the chance to work with over the last 3 years of my apprenticeship ^^,
Cheers from a Danish fan :b
Thank you. Great video. Keep going.
How do u touch up the y of the live tooling in the tool offset ?
Excelente video, de como ajustar las herramientas,por fa sube un video de como se ajusta cero pieza en un torno hass.cnc.
Thank you for producing this tutorial, its fantastic. These videos are great teaching material for my programming classes at the HFO. #NailedIt
Do you have a video showing how to use ATP for live tools on a newer ST25y?
Please make videos on how to take C and y axis offset on lathe machine
What would cause my x axis to half/quarter itself (cuts half what its told in total?), only while milling on the face? G17, non polar cartesian (errors out for excessive spindle feedrate if I try, but I'd rather not anyway-no need and better quality). ST15Y, and everything comes out to size when milling radially.
Thanks mark for all this information , I want to ask about the torque in VDI holders is it the same on all that 40mm holes in the turret . and how the mechanism of movement is working .
Yes the torque is the same for all 40mm VDI holders. The bolt in the lock screw assembly is trapped by a C-clip, this allows the wedge to be pushed and pulled by rotating the bolt clockwise or counter clockwise.
i use a carbide blank. touch on x and move diameter of the blank plus/minus your nominal wear value at finish pass and on z half the amount of your blank
alter values in geometry page
When I use the probe to touch off radial tools I’m getting two different numbers for X. Shouldn’t those numbers be the same for all radial tools? This is of course after subtracting half the diameter of the tool.
@haasautomation
hello. i have lathe ST15 with live tool, axis Y and NGC system. I changed flute values in tools offsets from zero to two. Now when I use the milling tool(live tool), it is not correct in the Y axis. And problem is i cant change back the values in flute to zero. please help me.
Isn´t it necessary, to change the tip direction number from 3 to 8 after measuring the tool? The tool´s measured in his center, so it has to be tip 8 and not tip 3. And what about entering a radius? These things are important, if you want to work with G41/G42.
Question, since you can make the tool attachment's, Why are they so expensive, 4K for 1 tool attachment, i could buy a whole 2nd hand Haas machine for that.
D-Gears Ltd You could probably fabricate your own for much less. I see other brands selling for $599 and I think they’re still too expensive for a block with bearings and a mini spindle. Fairly simple construction even if you want a radial and use a Pinion bevel gear to interface. Plus you could make yourself a 45 degree or any number of angles you may have a need for.
D-Gears Ltd the better answer should be because they can and it seems there is a certain customer that buys at any cost and Haas is tailored towards them. For myself and business we won’t ever afford one in this lifetime or specifically justify the cost when a number of other less expensive options will perform the tasks we need.
At 7:56 you use a wrench to hold the collet from rotating. Where can I buy that???
6:29 i never know that, you can measure like that omg after so many years :D
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can change the direction of rotation of the tool M134 or M133
So why do cnc lathes cut on the back side of the part? Seems like that would apply the force away from the bed (lifting the tooling away from the foundation of the machine).
How do you setup offsets for a straight on tool such as a V series with neutral offset? How to set the centerline of the insert?
Very good. I have just used the cnc machine lather so there is a question of setting the offset for the grooving tool when cutting the groove. Is it necessary to compensate for the width of the knife?
Dat nguyentrong - Yes, we usually set the tool on the front, bottom edge, and then adjust our program to account for the width of the grooving tool. Good luck! - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day
Haas Automation, Inc. Thanks!
Nice video. 7:26 dowel pin inserted the wrong way. Thread facing inside.
That is great! Sharp eye. I actually remember putting that in backwards, and then tightening an ER32 collet extension on it, to help me pull it out!
it's a mazing
Do you have to put in the tool geometry and if so where?
Hi all . How to calibrate the Y axis???
If the live tool has a reduction of 1:3 does this mean if I program it are 500rpm it will actually spin at 1500?
Спасибо!!!
Does any one has the cutting test for live tool to see if there is correctly setup?
Why are axial and radial the only live options?
Glenn - We can also add angled VDI or BMT heads on your Haas Live Tool lathes. Companies like Benz, MD Tooling, and Heimatec offer angled heads built to fit your machine. You can Vector tap at these angles with a G195 code on your Haas Lathe. - Mark, Haas Tip of the day
how i can programming the radius with the live tooling in Z and Y axis?
While using mdi, how do I get the absolute coordinate to read on control screen as opposed to what it does now (reads from machine zero)?
when I´m measuring Z0 for G54 offset, on Doosan Lynx I usually go to the MDI,
G28 U0;
G28 W0;
T0101;
pressing Cycle Start, you´ll get the turret to home position and you got loaded tool 1 with offset 1, so now it´s an absolute coordinate for that tool.... Maybe it works like this on HAAS too
Hello, Can I ask for Polish subtitles?
Nice sir G how we can enjoy these company and where it located
When I auto touch tooling to prove, my machine alarms out "multiple M code" why is this?
master
why are your uniforms grey? ?
Where ive got a naked la...... :D lathe..... :(
take prob offset for live tool not understand in this lesson please take deeply lesson for this
So that’s where all my 10mm sockets disappear to 😂
OK TH-cam I WATCHED IT OK?!
Too lazy to scroll through comments... just got new Haas lathe in today and I'm told there is no -soft limit/chuck barrier.... is this true? If so, WHY?!
Miguel the Caucasian how much did it cost
ELLINARAS 456 I believe right around $120K
Miguel the Caucasian thanks
Hi Miguel - We have soft limits in the control to avoid the Tailstock. These can be accessed through Settings 93 and 94. For the Main Spindle, we don’t have any kind of user-accessible protected positioning. Especially with Radial Live-Tools, we often have to position the turret directly above the chuck, and use extended holders in order to reach some parts. Would still be a nice feature though, we’ll put in on the list. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day
Can any body tell me what exactly is "live tool"?
Live tooling is when the tool itself rotates in the spindle. Stationary tooling is when the workpiece rotates but the tool itself does not, like in all turning processes (lathes).
@@jusmurkin thank you veryyyyyy muchhhhhhhhhh😊😊😊😊
@@mobinaakhgari6277 not a problem!
I shudder to think running a spinning endmill to touch my renishaw probe
Great video but those VDI live holders are a pain. Why not just put the dowels on the face of the turret where the tool body sits like all of the Swiss machines do? Then there is zero indicating necessary unless you're doing a grid shift. This seems inefficient at best and poorly engineered at worst.
Rob- Having some slight adjustability in the system allows us to dial things in perfectly for each tool, but we hear what you’re saying. Take a look at our new BMT live-tooling system - th-cam.com/video/Egd7UubQIxU/w-d-xo.html. Release on these lathes is just around the corner.
BMT looks much better and quite similar to how our Miyano functions. It looks like this'll be a great improvement for your machines. My point was more along the lines of why do you need to dial the tool in? It should be designed such that it's plug and play and all you need to do is dial in X or Z depending on if it's a radial or axial tool respectively. The control should know exactly where the live centerline is and the machine/holders should be able to repeat to that centerline without having to adjust each tool. I think the problem is that this current method allows for higher tolerances in manufacturing making it easier and less costly (puts the labor burden on your customer). It already takes us long enough to change over, we don't need to be indicating tools in where it can be avoided by sound design.
My memory would memorizes that things which I understand why do this or that . But just tell me doing it no explanation why do like that. I couldn’t memorize it as well. These days, I work good because I had experienced so far .if you teaching some tips of job you should show up honestly.
Why not make that thread all way through the pin. Problem solved. Nobelprice here i come.
The nice video, but availability of hand-written subtitles would be great. It's slightly difficult to understand his speech and a lot of professional terms for foreigners. In any case thanks a lot!
Hi Parfen. Thanks for the comment. We’ve been talking a lot about this lately. For now, clicking on the CC button in the bottom-right corner of the video will show the Automatic Translation. In the near future, we’ll be creating our own subtitles and uploading them to TH-cam with each video. Hope this helps! -Mark, Haas Tip of the Day
I have already assessed your efforts in Holiday Edition video, Mark! Original text is very important for me. Have a Happy New Year!
Am I the only one annoyed that an American company is using Metric measurements?
It amazes how shockinly shite the design is on these turrets, why would you ever want operators/setters banging dowel pins into a turret with the possibility of them not only bashing the crap out of the turret but also putting it in the wrong way. Also why would you ever want to tie yourself down to only being able to put 6 vdi tools on the turret and why do they have to stick out so far? If you mounted the radial tools to the under side of the turret instead of the face you wouldn't need to worry about using a pin to indicate it straight. Don't even get me started on spinning an end mill and winding it against your tool eye. No wonder hass have a bad reputation.
Alex - Check out our BMT lathe turret th-cam.com/video/v-1N1Tf4ZGc/w-d-xo.html, and th-cam.com/video/pqitYUvO3os/w-d-xo.html There is a huge aftermarket industry, providing tooling for these lathes as well (Heimatec, Eppinger, MD Tooling, WTO, Global CNC), many of which work with our ½ station index turret that allow us to double the number of tools a turret can hold. Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day
So that is why vdi is so bad, it's german engineering.
lol. Why the hate on german engineering?
Because it's expensive and bad. Korean engineering has price to performance. Japanese is expensive but it's good, but why buy japanese when you can buy korean.
Hmm. Siemens, DMG Mori, Heidenhain, Thyssenkrupp, KUKA are all bad and expensive? And Samsung, Doosan, Hyundai are all better?
I run Index 9 axis lathe with siemens cotnrol, trust me, I know it's bad. Same goes for everything german. Haven't had problems with doosan or hundai. I worked at a place that had 15 or so doosan machines. Later worked at place that had mori and hundai, I asked the ceo which is better, guess what he said?
Mori?
can change the direction of rotation of the tool M134 or M133