Because he can not be. To be a chosen one, he would need to be attacked by Voldemort, but because Neville's mother could not sacrifice her life for that of Neville, because she will not be given the choice by Voldemort, because Snape would not beg for her, he would have no love protection, thus he would die. Not some theorie, more like a lack of comprehension skills after knowing the complete story
I always think about this when watching these videos. Watching the fifth movie is infuriating, that st mungos chapter was perfection. The candy wrapper he tucks into his pocket always makes me cry.
@Luke Huizinga just because the prophecy could have referred to both doesn't mean it did refer to either. It's like if the prophecy mentioned the person being called "John Smith" that doesn't mean that anyone named John Smith is potentially the chosen one, just the one John Smith the prophecy was actually about.
This question occurred to me just after I finished the 7th book. It was the most defining moment of the series for me. That's the whole point of the prophecy. It didn't matter which one he chose the story would have still ended the same way. It would have been a different story of course but at the end Neville would have prevailed. I have had soooo many discussions/arguments about this.Love your take on it!!
I just got done watching an old video of theirs when I saw that this released IN THAT MINUTE. I have never been this early to any video before. This will probably also be a banger of a video as always
I legit would be curious if a movie, book or something (any genre not just Potter) revealed the Chosen One wasnt actually the Chosen One. That would be a twist.
I remember commenting how excited I was for this what If back during the what if lupin wasn’t a werewolf video and I’m so happy that it’s finally come into existence!!!!
Problems: 1: All of what Sibyl says to describe, is a description it doesn't mean that it can be two people it just means that Dumbledore didn't know which is the right one, so if he'd attack Neville, eventually Voldemort would doubt himself and attack Harry marking him as his equal later on (aside from the point that Sibyl saw him attack Harry, so that's how she made the Prophecy to begin with). 2. James and Sirius were very close in power and if Sirius only lost to Bellatrix because he wasn't focused, you can be sure that James would be since its his wife and child on the line (and he would know then that Voldemort is after Neville not Harry so he wouldn't send Lily away or at least she wouldn't go away she would fight). 3. Dumbledore has Snape so that means he knows Voldemort is bidding his time.
There is a couple of points i feel differently about. Firstly, if I'm not mistaken, wormtail was already in league with Voldemort by the time that he's made secret keeper. As a coward it's unlikely that he would have become secret keeper willingly, and in the original timeline Voldemort might have put pressure on him to find Harry. With Harry not being that important to Voldemort, wormtail might have been less prone to desire harm on his old frirnds. Thus i think it unlikely that Harry's parents get targeted at that time. I believe that Voldemort might not have been as patient after already rolling out his plans, so it's more likely that he uses polyjuice to fake his own death. If done well, Neville's parents may have returned to work, which would've eventually led to the murder of his parents and a scar for Neville.
Does Harry become Quidditch Seeker for the Gryffindor team in his first or second year here? Are his friendships with Ron and Hermione, respectively, different here? Who becomes Neville's love interest here? Perhaps Luna or somebody?
The only thing that comes to mind in these "chosen one" possibilities is their few similarities: Both raised by other than their real parents. Their caretakers abused them. Both sorted in Griffindor. Both bullied by Malfoy.
Some notes: Voldemort did not want to spill any more magical blood than he had to....says this exact thing to Neville. That was why he chose Harry. I disagree that Voldemort wouldnt have went after Harry due to him believing Neville was ths one apoken of in the prophecy. He planned to kill both boys, Harry was just the first on the list, due to having a spy. If Voldemort, had chosen to target Neville first and had the means to do so then all that would have happened is that Neville and his parents would die. Since Voldemort would have just went into the housr with the intent to kill the whole family. Unless Voldemort asks her to step away (but why would he without someone close to him asking for her to be spared), and her death would be just like James death. Then Voldemort would have shifted his attention to the Potters, Snape would of course make his plea, Voldemort would then try yo grant it, thus enacting the spell.
Honestly I never liked the explanation that Voldemort “chose” Harry. It seems like Voldemort most likely would have wanted to kill Harry and Neville, and he just went after Harry because he got Harry’s location first
Sth I never actually thought about: If Dumbledore was the secret keeper of the longbottoms, how did bellatrix find and torture them in the first place?
Just a note about the Fidelius situation: The Longbottom's wouldn't have completely disappeared from the wizarding world. Dumbledore would be able to safely tell other members of the Order their location, so they could visit. We know from Lily's letter to Padfoot that the same thing happened with the Potters: Bathilda, Wormtail, and Sirius have all visited them. Disguised with polyjuice potion, perhaps they would even be able to go out from time to time, staying cooped up in their house for 10 years would not be fun.
In this version that still means wormtail would know. I’m not sure about the exact details of the fidelius charm, but does that mean he’s also a secret keeper?
@@smcannon29 Initially there is only one secret keeper. He can tell others the location, and thus allow them to visit, but anyone he tells is unable to pass the secret on. If the secret keeper dies, however, everyone he has told becomes a secret keeper.
@@smcannon29 I doubt it. Wormtail was one of James’s best friends; we have no evidence that he was close enough to the Longbottoms for them to tell him their whereabouts so he could visit.
@@imaginepageant well mind you Snape is still working for Dumbeldore so they likely know that Wormtale is not to be trusted he is the reason James was killed and Lilly driven insane.
After this episode I can't help but think.. what if everyone just used the fedelius charm on each others places etc ?? Would Voldemort just walk around in an empty wizarding world ? 😅
The spell breaks down over time after the original secret keeper dies... But I suppose you could have used Nicholas Flemelle as the secret keeper... And keep his stone in a separate location that only he and his wife could find... Until he hands it down to someone else. It is questionable if it can be re-cast over the same location once it has been concealed... So one might need to have to rebuild a building from scratch in order to recast the spell with a new secret keeper... It is hard to say.
@@adoggofriend That is a theory, unsure if you actually could use a ghost. We've never seen the suggestion that a muggle could be a secret-keeper either... Ghosts are unable to work magic, so they might be unable to hold a secret for the Fidelious charm.
What I would really love to see is a Theory-series through all 7 years about Dudley being sent to Hogwarts together with Harry. I know there are other channels who worked with that subject before, but they all are lacking the SCB-magic! It would be awesome to see, what you two could brew for us!
@@klaudiagrob Would D. even end up in Slytherin? What about the classes? Would Dudley get into the quidditch-team. What are his interactions with other students? Would he end up the Hogwarts Champion? ;-) It's a little bit more complicated than "He befriends Draco. The end." That is why I would love to see this series on SCB! They can really fill this empty cauldron and transfigure it into something amazing! There is a series by... I think "Harry Potter Folklore"? But it just misses something. The spark and the heart the brothers pour into their videos. He has knowledge, don't get me wrong. He knows his stuff and is definitely no HP-noob, but his videos always feel... more like job than hobby, if that makes sense.
@@TheRealCardoso Really? I could have sworn, that they never really touched the topic. "5 minutes later" So, I looked on their channel. Do you mean the video about where Dudley would have been sorted into in Hogwarts? Because that's the only video I could find. I was talking about a 7-part-series about Dudley's impact during all 7 years.
Harry Potter folklore has something like that. "Dudley Dursley goes to Hogwarts" :) it's published both as a series and as a "supermovie" with all parts in one.
@@allisonreilly1952 Yea same! I was so excited when they started the Slytherin Series, cuz I do think harry could've really turned that house's reputation around and I'm glad they didn't go with "Haha harry becomes evil muhahaha" cuz that just isn't in harry's character. But I can't wait to see how Neville not being marked **YET** will effect his time at hogwarts and who the golden trio will be this time
@@potatoman45254 I am also really hoping that this turns into a story of dual main characters. Neville, the Boy who Lived. And Harry Potter, the Boy who Could Have Been.
@@Master5522111 oh yea that is intriguing, cuz Neville was a big part of it but given he was looked at a loser people ignored him but even without being the chosen one I feel like Harry would’ve still been moderately popular so switching them I bet it would Harry would want to help Neville so maybe the main three becomes the making four with Neville being more forced into the heroic role sooner than he did in the books/movies
In fairness to James and Lily, I would think if they managed to escape Voldemort three times, they'd be able to put up a serious fight and escape Bellatrix
I also struggle to picture Lily and James not embarrassing Bellatrix if she went alone. She (Lily) was an extremely gifted witch, and James was no slouch either.
Neville *was* the chosen one. So was Harry. Harry was physically marked, but Neville was emotionally marked. Harry fought his way, but Neville was the one who kept the army up, running, and training. Both pulled the Sword from the Hat. In the end, they couldn't have killed Voldie if Neville hadn't first taken out Nagini / the horcrux. They *both* killed Voldemort. The Chosen "one" was a balanced pair made of two broken boys who completed the single prophecy.
Not really As poetic as it sounds, I'm pretty sure harry was just as emotionally marked about his parents, godfather, school friend and many more dying as neville was about his parents being tortured to insanity The army was lead by McGonagall, neville lead the DA Neville absolutely contributed to killing Voldy, but it absolutely wasn't balanced
funny i was just about to make a response very similar to this but you worded it much better. and was a much better reasoning. i was simply just gonna say that neville was the chosen one since he took out nagini which allowed harry to finish voldemort off without neville taking the snake out harry couldnt do anything. but your wording was better i wasnt gonna mention the balancing or harry also being a chosen one
Yeah, no. Neville played his part, certainly, but much, much less so than Harry - or Hermione and Ron for that matter. As someone else said, it sounds poetic but the premise is flawed. Harry was marked physically and emotionally, he doesn't need a second half for his role in the story.
Well the chosen one is only something in the Prophecy and there it clearly States that the one that the Dark Lord (not Bellatrix) marks is the one with the power to defeat him Neville was important But he wasnt the chosen one
Super excited to see this one play out; that and "What if Dudley was a muggle-born" think of it, a Slytherin in the family, having to deal with any magic Big D does being blamed on that potter boy, Having Harry's achievements being credited to Dudley while they are on break, DUDLEY IS THE OTHER SCHOOL CHAMPION! (mainly cause i want to see Vernon and Petunia's reactions to each of the events. Vernon can tout Dudder's swimming abilities as "taught him that myself" and Petunia can criticize the hedge maze as "a poor excuse for an otherwise lovely hedge". Edit: Grammar & Polite Internet Company
People don't use that term in polite company; it is literally a slur. I know it's fiction, and you can't hurt muggle-born wizards' feelings, but come on.
Dudley wasn't exactly cunning or manipulative and didn't have any real aspirations or anything. He wasn't at all like a Slytherin, no ambition, nothing. He was just a dumb spoiled bully. If he were at Hogwarts, he would probably be Hufflepuff. He's too cowardly for Gryffindor but so is Pettigrew so you can make the argument for Gryffindor too, but he isn't showed to be wise smart creative cunning ambitious or ANYTHING from Ravenclaw or Slytherin. He doesn't fit well as a Gryffindor either, so he would likely be a Hufflepuff because they take everyone that isn't fitting with the others
I assume they're starting with the Chamber of Secrets since most of the events of Philosopher's Stone wouldn't happen. Voldemort never lost power, and therefore doesn't need the stone. The first year will likely be a quiet one. What is interesting is how the events of Chamber will be resolved. If Harry never became a horcrux, he's won't speak parseltongue. Even if Hermione figures out the baselisk based on all the other hints, no one will be able to open the chamber except Ginny (or whoever is unfortunate enough to get possessed in this version of the story).
@@CrackFoxJunior Wouldn't the chamber be opening year 1 instead? What's the friend group going to be, who will be the DADA teacher for this year and how will Voldemort go about opening the chamber this time? So many mysteries and ways to go, this series could be quite a banger
@@mellow3995 The chamber only opened because Lucius planted Riddle's diary on Ginny. Unless he plants the book on someone else a year prior for some reason, the chamber won't open until Harry's second year.
I believe that Voldemort didn't really choose Harry. He just got the opportunity to kill Harry first because of the traitor being made secret-keeper. I fully believe he'd have targeted Neville next. In fact, the Longbottom family's presence on Voldemort's list might be why Bellatrix & company attacked them, believing that they had some information where Voldemort was.
@@Lahzing First, prophecies aren't set in stone and need not be fulfilled. Dumbledore directly states that in his conversation with Harry after the Battle of the Department of Mysteries. Second, the prophecy couldn't have applied to Neville specifically because he couldn't have survived.
The content of the video circumvents that issue by skipping it entirely. Voldemort doesn't kill Neville or his parents because he can't find them. Instead of confronting the Longbottoms the way he does the Potters, thus losing his power, he simply chooses to go into hiding.
he might be murdered in the future without that safety magic from his parent dying out of love for him, but for now he hasn't been found at all in this theory so there's no reason for him to have died thus far
Imagine if the prophecy actually referred to some random muggle. The power that Voldemort doesn't know or understand could just be algebra. Or an electrician licence. Prophecy doesn't say anything about Voldemort being AWARE he's marked his rival, could have scared the neighbours with debre after blasting a hole in the potters wall.
Alternate alternate universe is where Neville never leaves his house, never goes to school and just dies of old age with a bored, impatient and frankly tired Voldemort probably never knowing with all his death eaters dead and he just sits alone at Malfoy manor alone
SUUUUUUPER excited for this new what-if series! But I have to wonder… would Dumbledore and the Longbottoms allow Neville to go to Hogwarts? They wouldn’t be fooled by the false calm - they’d know very well that Voldemort was just biding his time. I hope that’s addressed in the next video.
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I'm eagerly awaiting Neville Longbottom and the Sorcerer's Stone, Neville Longbottom and the Chamber of Secrets, Neville Longbottom and the Prisoner of Azkaban, Neville Longbottom and the Goblet of Fire, Neville Longbottom and the Order of the Phoenix, Neville Longbottom and the Half-Blood Prince and Neville Longbottom and the Deathly Hallows.
these long video series like the Harry in Slytherin ones are the most exciting ones to me. A few people have suggested what if Dudley went to Hogwarts, and I think that would be a great video series. Or a what if Snape never gave Voldemort the prophecy?
Harry does have some good questions. Im just starting this episode so hopefully the Super Carlin Brothers will cover some of this. The real problem with the idea of Neville being the chosen one isn't just who Voldermort chose. The reason Lily's sacrifice was so powerful, while James wasn't was because Lily had the option to live. In the books, it's revealed that Snape's love of Lily caused him to ask Voldermort to spare her, and since he was one of Voldermort's most trusted followers, Voldermort agreed. So he gave Lily a choice. James was always going to die. He didn't have the choice to live. No one was asking Voldermort to spare James. But Snape plead for Lily's life. So Voldermort told Lily to stand aside and let him kill her son. She didn’t. Thats why her sacrifice protects Harry but James's sacrifice doesn't. So with that knowledge, someone would have to plead for the life of Neville's mom, or else, she's just killed with no choice to live, so her love wouldn't protect Neville. Excited to see where this alt timeline will go.
What about the Malfoys? The Weasleys? Tom Riddle's Diary? Ron? Hermione? Dean? Seamus? Fred and George? Percy? Ginny? Is the Sorcerer's Stone not destroyed, much less transferred from Gringotts to Hogwarts itself? The Basilisk? The Sword Of Gryffindor? Would this version of Harry have a different personality, more akin to Sirius, Remus, or his here-deceased father James?
If Dumbledore was the secret keeper how did the Longbottoms get attacked in canon? Personally I would think that in that case maybe Dumbledore lifted the Fidelius after Voldemort’s defeat or the Longbottoms went out themselves. Maybe there are other possibilities?
I’ve honestly found this the LEAST interesting “what if?” And it’s precisely why it’s the most OBVIOUS “what if?” I tend to find the most interesting “what if?” questions are the ones that seem almost inconsequential.
love the video but i just have 1 issue THE POTTTERS LOSE TO BELLATRIX WHAT. No seriously how does james potter the person who was ragdolling a young snape who in his adult life was easily 3rd best wizard of the time lose to belatrix who is nowhere near Snape since if james and snape get better at the same rate which they should james should be able to ragdoll a adult snape who could beat belatrix which combined with the fact that the longbottoms are never even compared to the potters in terms of strength and the other fact that lily could also help james means it should be a massacre in the potter's favor and harry should grow up with his mom and dad both alive and well. Again no hate just a harry potter nerd grtting mad edit:getting mad not grtting mad
It's an interesting idea, but I don't think Neville's Mother coudl replicate what Lily did. Voldemort only offered Lily the chance and opportunity to willingly sacrifice herself in such a way that sacrificial protection was invoked because Snape requested it from him. If Voldemort went after Neville then Snape would have never made such a request, Alice would have been no doubt been able to die for her son but I don't see Voldemort giving her the chance to flee like he did to Lily and thus no sacrificial protection for Neville which would result in him being murdered and then Voldemort once more turning his gaze back to Harry. Further Thought's... it is I think critically important for the person invoking sacrifical protection has the choice to run and live, as seen both in Lily's and later Harry's replication of the magic -him willing and intending to die insteaf of leaving and living is I think something Dumbledore in limbo said was the reason it worked or something along those lines. Though I could be recalling that incorrectly. Perhaps it's just me wanting to the 'main character' Harry to be 'special' and all that but... I just can't see it ending any other way than Voldemort once more either arriving at Godric's Hollow because in my mind Voldemort despite being incredibly arrogant is also the paranoid type to not let even a possible candidate for his fall to exist or in his own Victory if Death Eater's are the ones who go after the Potters. Nevertheless the theory was interesting, suspending my own personal bias and interpretation of thing's... It's very curious to think about a set of event's where Neville does take the place of The Chosen One. Thank's for the video.
Btw Harry is more of a Pureblood then Voldemort, seeing Harry mum is a Muggleborn witch and his dad is Pureblood wizard, but Voldemort dad is a Muggle and his mum Pureblood witch.
I agree most of the wizarding world would believe voldemort was gone but dumbledore definitely wouldn't. Remember when voldemort was defeated the first time around he made a whole plan for harrys life so that harry would kill voldemort for good when he came back. So I think Neville would have a lot of security when he went to Hogwarts, something like what harry had in the battle of the 7 potters. Also, I'm pretty sure Barty Crouch senior would be the minister for magic in this case, as in the og story he was disgraced when his son went to azkaban, but that wouldn't happen this time around.
hello j and Ben so I have a have suggestion to your amazing challenge so it's start June first and end in August 1 but you could push it a month so it starts July 1st and it end in September 1st so it end in hogwarts the first day of school it would be that much more magical but it's amazing anyway it's was just something on my mind love you both ❤
Technically, he was, and he's also technically the one who kills voldermolt by killing the last horcrux. Even the author said it was a tossup between the two since they both fit the requirements
I do not know where I should leave an suggestion for the next What if. If you eaven take suggestion but I would love to see "what if james survived?" because I think it would make for an interesting story that is very different from the main story.
Day 14 of politely asking the brothers to do a what if if Sirius took Harry the night his parents died, therefore not going after Peter, and Harry was raised by Sirius instead of the Dursleys?
I never understood why james wasnt the secretkeeper? Dumbledore was the secretkeeper for the orders hq and was able to go there. Bill was the secretkeeper for Shell cottage and lived there. I dont see the problem of being youre own secretkeeper maybe someone can tell
Where do you guys keep getting the idea that the information protected by the fidelius charm can't be tortured out of people? It's not described like that at all
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I immediately clicked on this to watch it it’s a plot point that i would love to see covered with how Neville could have been the chosen one
Who else did the same thing
@@kerryelliott9718everyone I think.
Yep. That's what I did.
@@dragonluck777 who wouldn't
@@kerryelliott9718 yess actually like who wouldn't?
It's sad that some of movie-fans doesn't know that Neville could be a Chosen One too
Because he can not be. To be a chosen one, he would need to be attacked by Voldemort, but because Neville's mother could not sacrifice her life for that of Neville, because she will not be given the choice by Voldemort, because Snape would not beg for her, he would have no love protection, thus he would die. Not some theorie, more like a lack of comprehension skills after knowing the complete story
@@Pascaffahe could have been. Both could have been the chosen one up until he "marks them as his equal"
@@Pascaffa SOMEBODY ELSE GETS IT!!!
I always think about this when watching these videos. Watching the fifth movie is infuriating, that st mungos chapter was perfection. The candy wrapper he tucks into his pocket always makes me cry.
@Luke Huizinga just because the prophecy could have referred to both doesn't mean it did refer to either. It's like if the prophecy mentioned the person being called "John Smith" that doesn't mean that anyone named John Smith is potentially the chosen one, just the one John Smith the prophecy was actually about.
This question occurred to me just after I finished the 7th book. It was the most defining moment of the series for me. That's the whole point of the prophecy. It didn't matter which one he chose the story would have still ended the same way. It would have been a different story of course but at the end Neville would have prevailed. I have had soooo many discussions/arguments about this.Love your take on it!!
I just got done watching an old video of theirs when I saw that this released IN THAT MINUTE. I have never been this early to any video before. This will probably also be a banger of a video as always
Can’t wait for part 2!!
I legit would be curious if a movie, book or something (any genre not just Potter) revealed the Chosen One wasnt actually the Chosen One. That would be a twist.
I remember commenting how excited I was for this what If back during the what if lupin wasn’t a werewolf video and I’m so happy that it’s finally come into existence!!!!
Problems:
1: All of what Sibyl says to describe, is a description it doesn't mean that it can be two people it just means that Dumbledore didn't know which is the right one, so if he'd attack Neville, eventually Voldemort would doubt himself and attack Harry marking him as his equal later on (aside from the point that Sibyl saw him attack Harry, so that's how she made the Prophecy to begin with).
2. James and Sirius were very close in power and if Sirius only lost to Bellatrix because he wasn't focused, you can be sure that James would be since its his wife and child on the line (and he would know then that Voldemort is after Neville not Harry so he wouldn't send Lily away or at least she wouldn't go away she would fight).
3. Dumbledore has Snape so that means he knows Voldemort is bidding his time.
Tell me I ain’t the only one who noticed J say “moot point” and my mind was filled with Joey saying moo point 🤣
I'm so happy you guys are doing this! I've wanted it for so long
There is a couple of points i feel differently about.
Firstly, if I'm not mistaken, wormtail was already in league with Voldemort by the time that he's made secret keeper. As a coward it's unlikely that he would have become secret keeper willingly, and in the original timeline Voldemort might have put pressure on him to find Harry. With Harry not being that important to Voldemort, wormtail might have been less prone to desire harm on his old frirnds. Thus i think it unlikely that Harry's parents get targeted at that time.
I believe that Voldemort might not have been as patient after already rolling out his plans, so it's more likely that he uses polyjuice to fake his own death. If done well, Neville's parents may have returned to work, which would've eventually led to the murder of his parents and a scar for Neville.
i have a suggestion
what if voldemort was sorted into gryffindor?
like he was still bad and all but was sorted into gryffindor
What if the Potter moves house and Sirus become the new secect keeper. When Peter start acting weird.
i love these 'what ifs'
Does Harry become Quidditch Seeker for the Gryffindor team in his first or second year here? Are his friendships with Ron and Hermione, respectively, different here? Who becomes Neville's love interest here? Perhaps Luna or somebody?
The average lifespan of Witches and Wizards is 137¾ years. So Voldemort would have lived longer if he just sat back and lived a normal life. 🤣
I am STOKED for this.
The only thing that comes to mind in these "chosen one" possibilities is their few similarities:
Both raised by other than their real parents.
Their caretakers abused them.
Both sorted in Griffindor.
Both bullied by Malfoy.
YESSSSSS!!!! I love this set up for another what if series!!
Did the third peveral brother create the fidaleous charm?
I love this idea
Would you consider doing a 'what if the Potters had survived (or escaped) Voldemort?'
Yay! Another theory series!
I love these type of theory series 🥰🥰
Some notes:
Voldemort did not want to spill any more magical blood than he had to....says this exact thing to Neville. That was why he chose Harry.
I disagree that Voldemort wouldnt have went after Harry due to him believing Neville was ths one apoken of in the prophecy. He planned to kill both boys, Harry was just the first on the list, due to having a spy.
If Voldemort, had chosen to target Neville first and had the means to do so then all that would have happened is that Neville and his parents would die. Since Voldemort would have just went into the housr with the intent to kill the whole family. Unless Voldemort asks her to step away (but why would he without someone close to him asking for her to be spared), and her death would be just like James death.
Then Voldemort would have shifted his attention to the Potters, Snape would of course make his plea, Voldemort would then try yo grant it, thus enacting the spell.
nice ring :) cake and dragons kinda person too?
What if Dudley was a wizard?
Here it is… After years and years of waiting, Here It Is
This is going to be so fun!
Then everything happens the same but with Neville instead of Harry. Also Harry kills nagini at the end
Chamber of secrets was year two...
i have a bum knee, i can barely make 1000 steps a day.
When are you guys going to talk about WISH?!
Honestly I never liked the explanation that Voldemort “chose” Harry. It seems like Voldemort most likely would have wanted to kill Harry and Neville, and he just went after Harry because he got Harry’s location first
OMG I love this so much!! Harry could be a completely different person in this world. I think he'd still be friends with Ron and Hermione.
I am so looking forward to this
Sth I never actually thought about:
If Dumbledore was the secret keeper of the longbottoms, how did bellatrix find and torture them in the first place?
JK TELL ME WHY
Well, this was when everyone thought they were safe, so the longbottoms may just went outside
This will be great
Read Percy Jackson
Just a note about the Fidelius situation: The Longbottom's wouldn't have completely disappeared from the wizarding world. Dumbledore would be able to safely tell other members of the Order their location, so they could visit. We know from Lily's letter to Padfoot that the same thing happened with the Potters: Bathilda, Wormtail, and Sirius have all visited them.
Disguised with polyjuice potion, perhaps they would even be able to go out from time to time, staying cooped up in their house for 10 years would not be fun.
In this version that still means wormtail would know. I’m not sure about the exact details of the fidelius charm, but does that mean he’s also a secret keeper?
@@smcannon29 Initially there is only one secret keeper. He can tell others the location, and thus allow them to visit, but anyone he tells is unable to pass the secret on. If the secret keeper dies, however, everyone he has told becomes a secret keeper.
Just as with grimmauld place
@@smcannon29 I doubt it. Wormtail was one of James’s best friends; we have no evidence that he was close enough to the Longbottoms for them to tell him their whereabouts so he could visit.
@@imaginepageant well mind you Snape is still working for Dumbeldore so they likely know that Wormtale is not to be trusted he is the reason James was killed and Lilly driven insane.
After this episode I can't help but think.. what if everyone just used the fedelius charm on each others places etc ?? Would Voldemort just walk around in an empty wizarding world ? 😅
Voldemort: [Arrives on abandoned street] Alright, lets hope for the best.
[Fires a bunch of spells] Did I get anyone? No? Okay, next street.
@@ebgsdb6662 Voldemort in 2100: anyone here nope okay next planet
The spell breaks down over time after the original secret keeper dies... But I suppose you could have used Nicholas Flemelle as the secret keeper... And keep his stone in a separate location that only he and his wife could find... Until he hands it down to someone else.
It is questionable if it can be re-cast over the same location once it has been concealed... So one might need to have to rebuild a building from scratch in order to recast the spell with a new secret keeper... It is hard to say.
@@zephodba ghost could be the secret keeper
@@adoggofriend That is a theory, unsure if you actually could use a ghost. We've never seen the suggestion that a muggle could be a secret-keeper either... Ghosts are unable to work magic, so they might be unable to hold a secret for the Fidelious charm.
What I would really love to see is a Theory-series through all 7 years about Dudley being sent to Hogwarts together with Harry. I know there are other channels who worked with that subject before, but they all are lacking the SCB-magic! It would be awesome to see, what you two could brew for us!
Its easy Dudley would befriend Draco based on his animosity towards Harry.
@@klaudiagrob Would D. even end up in Slytherin? What about the classes? Would Dudley get into the quidditch-team. What are his interactions with other students? Would he end up the Hogwarts Champion? ;-) It's a little bit more complicated than "He befriends Draco. The end." That is why I would love to see this series on SCB! They can really fill this empty cauldron and transfigure it into something amazing! There is a series by... I think "Harry Potter Folklore"? But it just misses something. The spark and the heart the brothers pour into their videos. He has knowledge, don't get me wrong. He knows his stuff and is definitely no HP-noob, but his videos always feel... more like job than hobby, if that makes sense.
I believe they already made a video of what if Dudley went to hogwarts
@@TheRealCardoso Really? I could have sworn, that they never really touched the topic. "5 minutes later" So, I looked on their channel. Do you mean the video about where Dudley would have been sorted into in Hogwarts? Because that's the only video I could find. I was talking about a 7-part-series about Dudley's impact during all 7 years.
Harry Potter folklore has something like that. "Dudley Dursley goes to Hogwarts" :) it's published both as a series and as a "supermovie" with all parts in one.
i have a head canon that Jay and Ben will see each other in their daily lives and greet each other with a "heyyyy brother" every time.
WHO-HOO! This was a fun one! This will be S-tier, in the same realm of What if Harry was in Slytherin!
It is finally happening!! I have been so excited for this possibly since What if Harry Potter was in Slytherin!!
Same!!! This might be the most excited I’ve ever been for a video!!!
@@allisonreilly1952 Yea same! I was so excited when they started the Slytherin Series, cuz I do think harry could've really turned that house's reputation around and I'm glad they didn't go with "Haha harry becomes evil muhahaha" cuz that just isn't in harry's character. But I can't wait to see how Neville not being marked **YET** will effect his time at hogwarts and who the golden trio will be this time
@@potatoman45254 I am also really hoping that this turns into a story of dual main characters. Neville, the Boy who Lived. And Harry Potter, the Boy who Could Have Been.
@@Master5522111 oh yea that is intriguing, cuz Neville was a big part of it but given he was looked at a loser people ignored him but even without being the chosen one I feel like Harry would’ve still been moderately popular so switching them I bet it would Harry would want to help Neville so maybe the main three becomes the making four with Neville being more forced into the heroic role sooner than he did in the books/movies
In fairness to James and Lily, I would think if they managed to escape Voldemort three times, they'd be able to put up a serious fight and escape Bellatrix
I agree, with this, because it makes sense.
According to the prophesy, Alice and Frank also managed to escape Voldemort three times, so...
@@doppelplusungutmensch1141 but their were 4 death eaters in canon, according to this it’s just Bella.
I also struggle to picture Lily and James not embarrassing Bellatrix if she went alone. She (Lily) was an extremely gifted witch, and James was no slouch either.
You’re forgetting Alice and Frank are more powerful
Neville *was* the chosen one. So was Harry.
Harry was physically marked, but Neville was emotionally marked.
Harry fought his way, but Neville was the one who kept the army up, running, and training. Both pulled the Sword from the Hat. In the end, they couldn't have killed Voldie if Neville hadn't first taken out Nagini / the horcrux. They *both* killed Voldemort.
The Chosen "one" was a balanced pair made of two broken boys who completed the single prophecy.
"Well reasoned."
Not really
As poetic as it sounds, I'm pretty sure harry was just as emotionally marked about his parents, godfather, school friend and many more dying as neville was about his parents being tortured to insanity
The army was lead by McGonagall, neville lead the DA
Neville absolutely contributed to killing Voldy, but it absolutely wasn't balanced
funny i was just about to make a response very similar to this but you worded it much better. and was a much better reasoning. i was simply just gonna say that neville was the chosen one since he took out nagini which allowed harry to finish voldemort off without neville taking the snake out harry couldnt do anything. but your wording was better i wasnt gonna mention the balancing or harry also being a chosen one
Yeah, no. Neville played his part, certainly, but much, much less so than Harry - or Hermione and Ron for that matter.
As someone else said, it sounds poetic but the premise is flawed. Harry was marked physically and emotionally, he doesn't need a second half for his role in the story.
Well the chosen one is only something in the Prophecy and there it clearly States that the one that the Dark Lord (not Bellatrix) marks is the one with the power to defeat him
Neville was important But he wasnt the chosen one
This has to be my most wanted What if? since they started this series, so excited!
I'm so excited for another multiple video alternate Harry Potter universe. You guys are always so good at writing these.
yeeeees I knew this was coming!!
Super excited to see this one play out; that and "What if Dudley was a muggle-born" think of it, a Slytherin in the family, having to deal with any magic Big D does being blamed on that potter boy, Having Harry's achievements being credited to Dudley while they are on break, DUDLEY IS THE OTHER SCHOOL CHAMPION! (mainly cause i want to see Vernon and Petunia's reactions to each of the events. Vernon can tout Dudder's swimming abilities as "taught him that myself" and Petunia can criticize the hedge maze as "a poor excuse for an otherwise lovely hedge".
Edit: Grammar & Polite Internet Company
You're assuming that Dudley would be in Slytherin... Which I don't know, maybe but I he's just...
People don't use that term in polite company; it is literally a slur. I know it's fiction, and you can't hurt muggle-born wizards' feelings, but come on.
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Dudley wasn't exactly cunning or manipulative and didn't have any real aspirations or anything. He wasn't at all like a Slytherin, no ambition, nothing. He was just a dumb spoiled bully. If he were at Hogwarts, he would probably be Hufflepuff. He's too cowardly for Gryffindor but so is Pettigrew so you can make the argument for Gryffindor too, but he isn't showed to be wise smart creative cunning ambitious or ANYTHING from Ravenclaw or Slytherin. He doesn't fit well as a Gryffindor either, so he would likely be a Hufflepuff because they take everyone that isn't fitting with the others
How many muggle born slytherins do we know of? I don't think dudley would ever end up in slytherin just because of the fact he's muggle born
I'm surprised this isn't a Part 1, I feel like you could really dive into this hypothetical and have a lot of fun planning out the books.
Haha I stand corrected, I wonder how many parts it'll have
I assume they're starting with the Chamber of Secrets since most of the events of Philosopher's Stone wouldn't happen. Voldemort never lost power, and therefore doesn't need the stone. The first year will likely be a quiet one.
What is interesting is how the events of Chamber will be resolved. If Harry never became a horcrux, he's won't speak parseltongue. Even if Hermione figures out the baselisk based on all the other hints, no one will be able to open the chamber except Ginny (or whoever is unfortunate enough to get possessed in this version of the story).
@@CrackFoxJunior Wouldn't the chamber be opening year 1 instead? What's the friend group going to be, who will be the DADA teacher for this year and how will Voldemort go about opening the chamber this time? So many mysteries and ways to go, this series could be quite a banger
I’m pretty sure I called that they would do this over 7-8 parts lol
@@mellow3995 The chamber only opened because Lucius planted Riddle's diary on Ginny. Unless he plants the book on someone else a year prior for some reason, the chamber won't open until Harry's second year.
I believe that Voldemort didn't really choose Harry. He just got the opportunity to kill Harry first because of the traitor being made secret-keeper. I fully believe he'd have targeted Neville next. In fact, the Longbottom family's presence on Voldemort's list might be why Bellatrix & company attacked them, believing that they had some information where Voldemort was.
Neither Frank nor Alice would have been given the option of standing aside and saving theirselves, so Neville would have been murdered.
Somehow they have to. The prophecy must be fulfilled Nevil has to be marked as his equal and have power the dark lord knows not.
@@Lahzing First, prophecies aren't set in stone and need not be fulfilled. Dumbledore directly states that in his conversation with Harry after the Battle of the Department of Mysteries.
Second, the prophecy couldn't have applied to Neville specifically because he couldn't have survived.
The content of the video circumvents that issue by skipping it entirely. Voldemort doesn't kill Neville or his parents because he can't find them. Instead of confronting the Longbottoms the way he does the Potters, thus losing his power, he simply chooses to go into hiding.
he might be murdered in the future without that safety magic from his parent dying out of love for him, but for now he hasn't been found at all in this theory so there's no reason for him to have died thus far
Sure right, because Grandmothers can't love their grandchildren enough to die protecting them.
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So excited for more, I love the alternative story line videos
Darn starting an awesome theory series right before I leave for the summer! I guess I get to enjoy the whole thing afterwards 😅 so excited!
Imagine if the prophecy actually referred to some random muggle.
The power that Voldemort doesn't know or understand could just be algebra. Or an electrician licence.
Prophecy doesn't say anything about Voldemort being AWARE he's marked his rival, could have scared the neighbours with debre after blasting a hole in the potters wall.
This has to to be the most requested what if
Can’t wait to see what happens next
Can’t wait to watch it love your guys videos keep doing what your doing ❤
I expect to see lots of fan art of book covers and movie posters for the Neville Longbottom series! Make it happen!
Alternate alternate universe is where Neville never leaves his house, never goes to school and just dies of old age with a bored, impatient and frankly tired Voldemort probably never knowing with all his death eaters dead and he just sits alone at Malfoy manor alone
Can we just appreciate the fact the good people at scb are making video fan fiction for our viewing pleasure
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SUUUUUUPER excited for this new what-if series! But I have to wonder… would Dumbledore and the Longbottoms allow Neville to go to Hogwarts? They wouldn’t be fooled by the false calm - they’d know very well that Voldemort was just biding his time. I hope that’s addressed in the next video.
It happened! I couldn’t wait for this one!
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I'm eagerly awaiting Neville Longbottom and the Sorcerer's Stone, Neville Longbottom and the Chamber of Secrets, Neville Longbottom and the Prisoner of Azkaban, Neville Longbottom and the Goblet of Fire, Neville Longbottom and the Order of the Phoenix, Neville Longbottom and the Half-Blood Prince and Neville Longbottom and the Deathly Hallows.
I just thought, could Neville being the Chosen one and Harry being Slytherin have BOTH happened together?
This should be a 7 parter
these long video series like the Harry in Slytherin ones are the most exciting ones to me. A few people have suggested what if Dudley went to Hogwarts, and I think that would be a great video series. Or a what if Snape never gave Voldemort the prophecy?
Harry does have some good questions. Im just starting this episode so hopefully the Super Carlin Brothers will cover some of this. The real problem with the idea of Neville being the chosen one isn't just who Voldermort chose. The reason Lily's sacrifice was so powerful, while James wasn't was because Lily had the option to live. In the books, it's revealed that Snape's love of Lily caused him to ask Voldermort to spare her, and since he was one of Voldermort's most trusted followers, Voldermort agreed. So he gave Lily a choice. James was always going to die. He didn't have the choice to live. No one was asking Voldermort to spare James. But Snape plead for Lily's life. So Voldermort told Lily to stand aside and let him kill her son. She didn’t. Thats why her sacrifice protects Harry but James's sacrifice doesn't. So with that knowledge, someone would have to plead for the life of Neville's mom, or else, she's just killed with no choice to live, so her love wouldn't protect Neville. Excited to see where this alt timeline will go.
In my head cannon because he was raised by Sirius, Harry has been spoiled and is fairly plump and/or has flowing locks just like his godfather.
What about the Malfoys? The Weasleys? Tom Riddle's Diary? Ron? Hermione? Dean? Seamus? Fred and George? Percy? Ginny? Is the Sorcerer's Stone not destroyed, much less transferred from Gringotts to Hogwarts itself? The Basilisk? The Sword Of Gryffindor? Would this version of Harry have a different personality, more akin to Sirius, Remus, or his here-deceased father James?
If Dumbledore was the secret keeper how did the Longbottoms get attacked in canon? Personally I would think that in that case maybe Dumbledore lifted the Fidelius after Voldemort’s defeat or the Longbottoms went out themselves. Maybe there are other possibilities?
I’ve honestly found this the LEAST interesting “what if?” And it’s precisely why it’s the most OBVIOUS “what if?” I tend to find the most interesting “what if?” questions are the ones that seem almost inconsequential.
love the video but i just have 1 issue THE POTTTERS LOSE TO BELLATRIX WHAT. No seriously how does james potter the person who was ragdolling a young snape who in his adult life was easily 3rd best wizard of the time lose to belatrix who is nowhere near Snape since if james and snape get better at the same rate which they should james should be able to ragdoll a adult snape who could beat belatrix which combined with the fact that the longbottoms are never even compared to the potters in terms of strength and the other fact that lily could also help james means it should be a massacre in the potter's favor and harry should grow up with his mom and dad both alive and well. Again no hate just a harry potter nerd grtting mad edit:getting mad not grtting mad
It's an interesting idea, but I don't think Neville's Mother coudl replicate what Lily did. Voldemort only offered Lily the chance and opportunity to willingly sacrifice herself in such a way that sacrificial protection was invoked because Snape requested it from him. If Voldemort went after Neville then Snape would have never made such a request, Alice would have been no doubt been able to die for her son but I don't see Voldemort giving her the chance to flee like he did to Lily and thus no sacrificial protection for Neville which would result in him being murdered and then Voldemort once more turning his gaze back to Harry.
Further Thought's... it is I think critically important for the person invoking sacrifical protection has the choice to run and live, as seen both in Lily's and later Harry's replication of the magic -him willing and intending to die insteaf of leaving and living is I think something Dumbledore in limbo said was the reason it worked or something along those lines. Though I could be recalling that incorrectly.
Perhaps it's just me wanting to the 'main character' Harry to be 'special' and all that but... I just can't see it ending any other way than Voldemort once more either arriving at Godric's Hollow because in my mind Voldemort despite being incredibly arrogant is also the paranoid type to not let even a possible candidate for his fall to exist or in his own Victory if Death Eater's are the ones who go after the Potters.
Nevertheless the theory was interesting, suspending my own personal bias and interpretation of thing's... It's very curious to think about a set of event's where Neville does take the place of The Chosen One.
Thank's for the video.
Btw Harry is more of a Pureblood then Voldemort, seeing Harry mum is a Muggleborn witch and his dad is Pureblood wizard, but Voldemort dad is a Muggle and his mum Pureblood witch.
I agree most of the wizarding world would believe voldemort was gone but dumbledore definitely wouldn't. Remember when voldemort was defeated the first time around he made a whole plan for harrys life so that harry would kill voldemort for good when he came back. So I think Neville would have a lot of security when he went to Hogwarts, something like what harry had in the battle of the 7 potters.
Also, I'm pretty sure Barty Crouch senior would be the minister for magic in this case, as in the og story he was disgraced when his son went to azkaban, but that wouldn't happen this time around.
Fun fact: In total, the Harry Potter books contain 1,084,170 words.
A week?! I saw that coming, but that doesn't make it any easier! So excited for this one. Thanks, brothers!
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The second book would be called "Nevile Longbottom and getting stuck on a chandelier. "
What the heck would happen if Harry died before age 11. Sickness, accident? How would the prophecy be affected
hello j and Ben so I have a have suggestion to your amazing challenge so it's start June first and end in August 1 but you could push it a month so it starts July 1st and it end in September 1st so it end in hogwarts the first day of school it would be that much more magical but it's amazing anyway it's was just something on my mind love you both ❤
Technically, he was, and he's also technically the one who kills voldermolt by killing the last horcrux. Even the author said it was a tossup between the two since they both fit the requirements
You always find the perfect spot to place Voldy’s laugh from the film.
If this is gonna become a whole series I am here for it. I love these What If videos.
I do not know where I should leave an suggestion for the next What if. If you eaven take suggestion but I would love to see "what if james survived?" because I think it would make for an interesting story that is very different from the main story.
Day 14 of politely asking the brothers to do a what if if Sirius took Harry the night his parents died, therefore not going after Peter, and Harry was raised by Sirius instead of the Dursleys?
I never understood why james wasnt the secretkeeper?
Dumbledore was the secretkeeper for the orders hq and was able to go there. Bill was the secretkeeper for Shell cottage and lived there.
I dont see the problem of being youre own secretkeeper maybe someone can tell
No way Peter didn't tell Sirius and Lupin the location of the Potters. That just doesn't make any sense.
The first book is philosopher’s stone right? Not chamber of secrets…? You said first year is chamber of secrets 😭
Year one and the chamber of secrets. That was year two. You think having the different chosen one would have made the philosopher's stone not happen
Wait a minute, at the end when Harry was brought up, what about Lily? Will she still be in St. Mungos?
Where do you guys keep getting the idea that the information protected by the fidelius charm can't be tortured out of people? It's not described like that at all
Why is year 1 chamber of secrets? Shouldn't it be Philosophers Stone (or Sorcerers Stone as they say in the US 😂)
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Couldn't you torture Lily or James to get the info out of the other to bypass the Fidelius charm?