@@derferneklang4473 Danke Alexander! Das freut mich. Ich habe zwar nun gar keine Ahnung von der Theorie, was ich sehr bedauere. Weil ich die Möglichkeit hatte und sie nicht genutzt habe. In meiner Jugend war es die Astronomie und sie ist es bis heute! Aber die klassische Musik! Das läßt mich nicht mehr los. Euer Anton Bruckner ist für mich jedenfalls jemand, der alles noch mal umgekrempelt hat. und wie ich das so sehe er muss sich auch nicht mit Beethoven, Brahms, die ich natürlich auch sehr schätze, messen! Er hat was anderes gemacht! Und ich denke darauf kommt es an. Und das ist einfach genial! Anton Bruckners 200. Geburtstag kommt meiner Meiner Meinung nach bei uns in Deutschland noch etwas zu kurz. Aber egal er ist mein Komponist! Viele Grüße aus dem Münsterland im Nordwesten Deutschlands, Bernd.
@@berndhuebel5665 Lieber Bernd! Danke für die ausführliche Antwort! Bei mir ist es ähnlich - die klassische Musik ist mein großes Hobby, habe aber eine andere berufliche Ausbildung. Anton Bruckner ist für mich ein besonderes Phänomen: dieser bescheidene, einfache Mann und DIESE Musik - in der Musikgeschichte einzigartig. In Oberösterreich, speziell in Linz (meine Heimatstadt) wurde im heurigen „Brucknerjahr“ würdig seines Geburtstages gedacht. GlG, Alexander
@@derferneklang4473 Hallo lieber Freund Alexander. Hätte ja nicht gedacht, dass meine Bemerkung hier doch Reaktionen auslöst! Ja ich freue mich, dass Anton Bruckner inzwischen weltweit anerkannt ist und den Siegeszug in die Konzertssäle geschafft hat. Tut mit immer weh, wenn ich ihn da in St. Florian liegen sehe! Wie kam ich zu seiner Musik. Dazu musst Du wissen: Ich bin, wie man heute so schön sgat Ossi. Und vor der Wende, da war ich so 30 Jahre, fing ich wieder an Beethoven, Dovorak und Schostakowitisch zu hören! Kannte man noch was aus der Schule. Bruckner! Noch nie gehört. Eines Tages habe ich eine Radtour gemacht. Von Fürstenwalde, da war ich damalls Meteorologe, nach Cottbus. das sind so 100km. Jedenfalls ich komme da an einem kleine Laden irgendwo in der Provinz vorbei. Im Schaufenster Schallplatten. Und da stand in großen Lettern: Bruckner. Es waren Aufnahmen des Gewandhaus Orchesters Leipzig. Kurt Masur als Dirigent. Da dachte ich: Das kennst du nun garnicht! Also alles mitgenommen! Und siehe da es läßt mich bis heute nicht mehr los. Zu seinem 200. gab es ja auch ein wunderbares Konzert im TV. Was ich auch schön fand, war die Tatsache, dass in der Pause beim Neujahrskonzert schon auf seinen 200. Geburtstag hingewiesen wurde! Wie gesagt ein Genie! Er hat was anderes gemacht als seine großen Vorgänger! Und deshalb bleibt er in unseren Herzen unsterblich! Er musste ja zu seinen Lebzeiten immer den Hanslick aushalten. Weisst Du ob er d da noch seine Frieden gefunden hat? Viele Grüße aus dem Münsterland nach Oberösterreich, Bernd.
@@berndhuebel5665 Lieber Bernd, danke für diese wunderschöne Geschichte - mich freut auch, dass du St. Florian kennst. Die Bruckner-Spezial-Ausstellung heuer ist absolut sehenswert! Bzgl. Hanslick glaube ich eher nicht, bei Brahms denke ich doch, dass schlussendlich Respekt vorhanden war. GlG ins Münsterland, Alexander (meine Oma kam aus Meiningen, also auch ein „Ossi“ :-)
I stood in for him when he played Mozart Horn Concerto at the Audi Orchestra. (From that moment onwards my fellow musicians called me Gaag😂) Then, on the day of the performance the string of the 3rd valve of his Horn tore. He played the concerto without the 3rd valve. No sweat. He and Erich Rinner on the trumpet. Legends.
I introduced myself to Bruckner with the 9th, in my 20s. Then finally in my late 60s I've returned to this composer and make it a project to absorb all of his symphonies. I wish I had done this earlier, because this music, if it's really ingested and not just listened to, is mind altering. It resonates in the soul. The finales of the 4th and 8th, the adagios of the 5th, 7th, and especially 8th, together with the finale of Wagner's Parsifal, the grail music at the wellhead of so much of Bruckner, are among life's supreme experiences.
I also listened to the approach of other famous conductors to the end of the 4th symphony, but they did not give me the delight and exhilaration that I experienced thanks to Maestro Celibidache. I was wondering why? In my humble opinion, because they put the tremolo strings in the background. It is the strings that give the whole ending the deepest meaning. It is the harmony of the rhythm of life and time. Maestro Celibidache muted the power of the brass and thereby allowed us to hear that magnificent tremolo. I'm a layman when it comes to knowing music. I listen to her with my heart. My heart was filled with joyful sadness. Thanks to the maestro and the orchestra. Thank you Anton, child's soul - God's soul!
In Bruckner's symphonies one always can hear his organist tendencies. You get that same chordal progression that organists use in Bruckner's symphonies. Indeed, the orchestra sounds almost like a huge organ.
His technique is so remarkable, that's why it sounds so powerful. When the brass has the big notes at the end, he doesn't just conduct big. He conducts their entrance with speed and command, but the bars in between he does something I have seen few conductors do; he lowers his baton extremely slowly, but not at a random speed (the speed of a bar I guess) so as to prepare for the next attack.
Aaah, while the 6th is so beautiful, the march-like bit in the first mvt, the beautiful slow movement, the barking trombone towards the end of the finale...
@dingo Rex i can so relate, i listened to the whole of bruckner 8 on one train journey and the guy sitting next to me could hear it through my headphones!
Wenn ich Bruckners 4. Symphonie unter der Leitung von Celibidake höre, bin ich gerührt!!!! Und ich bin bitter und traurig in einer Welt ohne ihn!!!. Es ist so traurig, dass ich Celibidake nie wieder sehen und Musik mit seinem Dirigat hören kann!!!!!! Sie sehen jetzt kein so großes, heroisches Kommando. Dreißig Jahre sind seit seinem Tod vergangen, aber ich trauere zutiefst um seinen Tod.
Ich musizierte mit Wolfgang Gaag (Solo Horn) und Erich Rinner (Solo Trompete) - hier zu sehen und zu hören. In den Pausen erwähnte ich wie gerne ich bei den Proben mit Celi dabeisein wollte. Es kam nie dazu. Ein paar Jahre später ist er verstorben. Erst dann wurde mir das Konzept der Vergänglichkeit so richtig bewusst. 😢
One of the things I love about Bruckner's symphonies is he wrote them for orchestra, not just strings with some accompaniment. I think it was the organist in him. He had to use every manual and every stop.
Ogni volta che osservo Celibidache, vedo la magnificienza e la perfezione della sua direzione. Persona fuori dagli schemi, vera, viva, partecipe, non distaccata, ma immersa nell'orchestra. Semplicemente magnifico. Un compendio stupendo col lavoro superlativo di Brukner.
GRANDISSIMI Ragazzi!!GRANDE il.Nostro Sergiu che tiene unita l'orchestra con passione Siete in veramente in armonia!!È un vero piacere ascoltarvi tutti insieme❤
Bruckner is speaking to the soul. His symphonies are spiritual testaments. Hear the ending of the first movement of his 7th symphony (the last four minutes os so) with BPO conducted by Daniel Barenboim, and you feel you are actually being transported into heaven.
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Glad you like it as well. If you are a really good fan of the french horn, or a fellow player such as myself, I recommend hearing Gliere's horn concerto (played by Baborak), or Villanelle by Paul Ducas.
Like most people I'd started with Beethoven and Brahms and was relatively late to Bruckner. Then I heard the 8th symphony. What amazed me was how hard all the violins worked and yet they were drowned out by the brass but still contributed to the sound. Amazingly exciting. The 4th in this respect is similar.
4:13 God, that chord! Everytime I hear that chord ring out right there, just chilling. Of course, it's simply a Major chord, yes, but it's the lead up and ascent to that moment that's so breathtaking.
Celibidache y Bruckner es uno de los acontecimientos más grandes en la historia de la música, no hay nada más trascendental que esto. Saludos desde México 🇲🇽
I saw him conduct Bruckner Nr.4 in San Francisco with the Münchner Philharmoniker. It was the only work on the program. The performance seemed as if it lasted 12 hours - but it felt as if it could've gone on for a month and STILL have been amazing. It was an incredible experience.
I have no words to describe the ending of this work under Celi. It just IS. I think it transcends all human understanding and Celi realises that perfectly here... Might I just add it's played magnificently by the MPO.
mrsneaky2010 I wasn't familiar with Bruckner No.4 until I heard it live with Celibidache conducting. Since then, I've become a fan of the work. It's not fair to judge other conductors using his performance since it is unlike anything by anyone else. Other Fourths I can listen to without feeling disappointment are live versions by Kubelik (Vienna Philharmonic) and Furtwangler (Berlin Philharmonic, of course).
I was at that same San Francisco concert. Hopefully you also enjoyed the open rehearsal that immediately preceded the performance. From the very opening of the first movement, I had never heard an orchestral ensemble sound quite the same way. The level of CONTROL was unbelievable. Just incredible.
I was out of town and a friend described it to me: “Wow!” Hate I missed it. Did get to see Oslo and Jansons blow the roof off with Shosty 10, though....
Alright Mr. Sneaky, then how do you explain 2:18? I think it's from a conductor who demands TOO MUCH from a section, pushes their limits too much, then the horns lose their chops form overblowing. This isn't glorious Bruckner, it's forced, tyrannical Bruckner.
This is thrilling. One of the best performances of this great symphony I have ever heard. Any discussion on the tempo, in my opinion, is irrelevant. The overall conception is breathtaking.
...es impresionante la cara de satisfacción del maestro Celibidache en este final. que descanse en paz este insigne artista. Lo vi dirigir Cuando era joven aquí en Chile
Sergiu Celibidache est incroyable. On peut prétendre que le tempo est trop lent mais une fois qu'on écoute une oeuvre conduite par Celibidache, il est très difficile d'écouter la même conduite par un autre chef d'orchestre. Celibidache est bien au delà. Je l'adore.
I had never heard Bruckner's 4th before. I clicked on this clip out of curiosity for the title. It is absolutely astonishing. I am not religious, but if ascent into heaven does exist and has ever been interpreted in music then this must truly be it.
You should check out Os Justi if you haven’t it is a portal to the beginning and ending of time it is intrinsically all matter and space infinitely heavy and weightless
Bruckner's 4th was the first Bruckner piece I ever heard, and I loved it immediately. As good as it was, it was nothing like this. WOW. I feel like *this* is the first time I have *really* heard Bruckner's 4th!
@@dingorex Agreed. It seems right. Remember: we have little "young" Bruckner and little small-scale Bruckner. Bruckner is becoming a power as a composer at the same age at which Mahler is dying.
@@AvntXardE Chemistry, actually! All I know about the Mandelbrot set is that it looks neat and it describes some unexpected things. I'm not sure what part of mathematics I like, at least I liked it through school. I just think it's amazing that we've created precise, self-consistent ideas that build up to form complex patterns, and that happen to describe the universe very well at all levels of analysis.
Will it end with a bang or a whimper? Down to the last second, nobody knows. In this case it is in between, which is usually the most dangerous place for an assessment. Celibidache does exactly that and makes it seem completely right. This is simply amazing!
Bruckner ! Celibidache ! How I wish Maestro would be here (his Birthday today 28.6. or 11.7.) giving us such magical moments as this. But I thank Heavens for these many records and videos we have !
It sounds like a hero reaching the end of their quest. They know they may perish as they descend into the darkness one last time, but if the worst comes to pass, they still know that they will save many innocents and will be remembered forever for their courage and selfless sacrifice.
"It sounds like a hero reaching the end of their quest." Exactly! Celi's conducting of the fourth at slow speeds presents an evolving structure for our contemplation, the tempo allowing us to savor each detail of this magnificant score, and when after 80 minutes, we reach the coda it feels like we have reached the summit after a long journey.
The ostinato in the violins from 1:47 really sounds like a clock counting cosmic time on scales of aeons and galaxies. I feel a connection with Mahler here, especially in the finale of his 9th Symphony, where he also uses an ostinato figure (in the harps, I think) to suggest the slow but inexorable movement of time’s arrow. But where Bruckner rises above time and space and reaches ecstasy, Mahler seems never to be able to break free from the Earth, always struggling with his feelings and doubts. I suggest the recording from 1988 on EMI, where it sounds even more beautifully played.
Do you have a reason for this assertion? With respects, I believe this interpretation to be mind numbingly slow. The tempo is marked "Bewegt, doch nicht zu schnell" which means "with motion, but not too fast". It does not mean "Largo"
C'est sublime et extraordinairement bien fait, avec une tension qu'on n'a jamais entendue ailleurs, mais, et pour cause, ce n'est pas le tempo de la partition mais celui voulu par Celibidache.
We the lucky few that can appreciate this music. I love how there are these long notes but the strings are agitating the whole time, each instrument and section comes in at their turn. I love the sound of the 4 oboes with the trumpet, magnificent. Why conduct this fast, this performance is perfect, we can hear the harmony change like mountains are moving. The theme is so basic and pure, octaves and fifths and fourths. I grew up on his 4th and 7th, now it's the 5th and 8th for me. This is still so great.
Oh My. I just heard the last mvmt of the Shosh 5. And now...to hear the end of this stunning orchestral voice. It is divine. A most telling accounting of each orchestral section.
I bought the full set of Bruckner symphonies many years ago and since that purchase, they have always moved me. Mahler took me to yet another level, particularly Symphony No. 2. Gorecki did likewise with 'Symphony of Sorrowful Songs".
Cosmic indeed, those triplet pulse from the strings! And sure enough that's Wolfgang Gaag (the "Einstein" of German Brass) on first horn, playing the very Bruckner symphony that lets the horn shine!
-The thing about Bruckner is that he's wonderful at endings and also the emotional rising of the orchestral crescendo, but it never goes anywhere. Sir Thomas Beecham said it best when discussing Bruckner symphonies, "Twenty times I rose to the edge of my seat and twenty times I fell back in disappointment"
I feel that way about Mahler. It's all pretty, but like movie music: it doesn't feel emotionally authentic. But Bruckner moves me to the core, which is strange since I'm a big, bluff, extroverted atheist. We don't respond to every artist.
Superlativen schieten tekort,lijkt wel of deze man uit rots is gehouwen,zo statisch,maar uit elk gebaar hoe gering ook, spreekt geweldige bezieling,tot de ontlading:publiek bijna vergeet te klappen....Prachtige climax; Bruckner..!
Hi - I've been reading up on this and not really getting it - could you say when the final phrase/cadence starts - which 'chunk' is phrygian - I'd be grateful!
Bruckner is a composer who still does not get the recognition he deserves.
I think people are finally paying more attention.
he gets it - maybe not in US-UK world - but in THE world he gets it - he allways got it
Ben , c'est pas n'importe qui quand même. Il est connu et reconnu quand même.
I repeat me here; An ooutstanding composer, performed by an outstanding orchestra, directed by an outstanding conductor!. Viele Grüße Bernd .
Da kann ich mich nur anschließen! LG aus Österreich 🇦🇹 Alexander
@@derferneklang4473 Danke Alexander! Das freut mich. Ich habe zwar nun gar keine Ahnung von der Theorie, was ich sehr bedauere. Weil ich die Möglichkeit hatte und sie nicht genutzt habe. In meiner Jugend war es die Astronomie und sie ist es bis heute! Aber die klassische Musik! Das läßt mich nicht mehr los. Euer Anton Bruckner ist für mich jedenfalls jemand, der alles noch mal umgekrempelt hat. und wie ich das so sehe er muss sich auch nicht mit Beethoven, Brahms, die ich natürlich auch sehr schätze, messen!
Er hat was anderes gemacht! Und ich denke darauf kommt es an. Und das ist einfach genial! Anton Bruckners 200. Geburtstag kommt meiner Meiner Meinung nach bei uns in Deutschland noch etwas zu kurz. Aber egal er ist mein Komponist! Viele Grüße aus dem Münsterland im Nordwesten Deutschlands,
Bernd.
@@berndhuebel5665 Lieber Bernd! Danke für die ausführliche Antwort! Bei mir ist es ähnlich - die klassische Musik ist mein großes Hobby, habe aber eine andere berufliche Ausbildung. Anton Bruckner ist für mich ein besonderes Phänomen: dieser bescheidene, einfache Mann und DIESE Musik - in der Musikgeschichte einzigartig. In Oberösterreich, speziell in Linz (meine Heimatstadt) wurde im heurigen „Brucknerjahr“ würdig seines Geburtstages gedacht. GlG, Alexander
@@derferneklang4473 Hallo lieber Freund Alexander. Hätte ja nicht gedacht, dass meine Bemerkung hier doch Reaktionen auslöst! Ja ich freue mich, dass Anton Bruckner inzwischen weltweit anerkannt ist und den Siegeszug in die Konzertssäle geschafft hat. Tut mit immer weh, wenn ich ihn da in St. Florian liegen sehe! Wie kam ich zu seiner Musik. Dazu musst Du wissen: Ich bin, wie man heute so schön sgat Ossi. Und vor der Wende, da war ich so 30 Jahre, fing ich wieder an Beethoven, Dovorak und Schostakowitisch zu hören! Kannte man noch was aus der Schule. Bruckner! Noch nie gehört. Eines Tages habe ich eine Radtour gemacht. Von Fürstenwalde, da war ich damalls Meteorologe, nach Cottbus. das sind so 100km. Jedenfalls ich komme da an einem kleine Laden irgendwo in der Provinz vorbei. Im Schaufenster Schallplatten. Und da stand in großen Lettern: Bruckner. Es waren Aufnahmen des Gewandhaus Orchesters Leipzig. Kurt Masur als Dirigent. Da dachte ich: Das kennst du nun garnicht! Also alles mitgenommen! Und siehe da es läßt mich bis heute nicht mehr los. Zu seinem 200. gab es ja auch ein wunderbares Konzert im TV. Was ich auch schön fand, war die Tatsache,
dass in der Pause beim Neujahrskonzert schon auf seinen 200. Geburtstag hingewiesen wurde! Wie gesagt ein Genie! Er hat was anderes gemacht als seine großen Vorgänger! Und deshalb bleibt er in unseren Herzen unsterblich! Er musste ja zu seinen Lebzeiten immer den Hanslick aushalten. Weisst Du ob er d da noch seine Frieden gefunden hat?
Viele Grüße aus dem Münsterland nach Oberösterreich,
Bernd.
@@berndhuebel5665 Lieber Bernd, danke für diese wunderschöne Geschichte - mich freut auch, dass du St. Florian kennst. Die Bruckner-Spezial-Ausstellung heuer ist absolut sehenswert! Bzgl. Hanslick glaube ich eher nicht, bei Brahms denke ich doch, dass schlussendlich Respekt vorhanden war. GlG ins Münsterland, Alexander (meine Oma kam aus Meiningen, also auch ein „Ossi“ :-)
The first horn, the guy with the red hair and the mustache, plays all the solos beautifully in this series of Bruckner recordings with Celebidache.
He is a Legend and quite famous in the Horn World. He is Prof. Wolfgang Gaag
wolfgang gaag. he s amazing!
Wolfgang Gaag. Durfte diesen großartigen Musiker Oktober 2017 beim Jahrtausendkonzert mit Bruckner IV in Neunburg v.W. auch persönlich kennenlernen!
I stood in for him when he played Mozart Horn Concerto at the Audi Orchestra. (From that moment onwards my fellow musicians called me Gaag😂) Then, on the day of the performance the string of the 3rd valve of his Horn tore. He played the concerto without the 3rd valve. No sweat. He and Erich Rinner on the trumpet. Legends.
He was a founding member of German Brass .
I introduced myself to Bruckner with the 9th, in my 20s. Then finally in my late 60s I've returned to this composer and make it a project to absorb all of his symphonies. I wish I had done this earlier, because this music, if it's really ingested and not just listened to, is mind altering. It resonates in the soul. The finales of the 4th and 8th, the adagios of the 5th, 7th, and especially 8th, together with the finale of Wagner's Parsifal, the grail music at the wellhead of so much of Bruckner, are among life's supreme experiences.
I also listened to the approach of other famous conductors to the end of the 4th symphony, but they did not give me the delight and exhilaration that I experienced thanks to Maestro Celibidache. I was wondering why? In my humble opinion, because they put the tremolo strings in the background. It is the strings that give the whole ending the deepest meaning. It is the harmony of the rhythm of life and time. Maestro Celibidache muted the power of the brass and thereby allowed us to hear that magnificent tremolo.
I'm a layman when it comes to knowing music. I listen to her with my heart. My heart was filled with joyful sadness. Thanks to the maestro and the orchestra.
Thank you Anton, child's soul - God's soul!
Beautifully articulated. I’m a classical newbie and this piece brought tears to my 66 yo eyes. Wow!
You are right! Never seen it that way!
Viele Grüße Bernd.
In Bruckner's symphonies one always can hear his organist tendencies. You get that same chordal progression that organists use in Bruckner's symphonies. Indeed, the orchestra sounds almost like a huge organ.
His technique is so remarkable, that's why it sounds so powerful. When the brass has the big notes at the end, he doesn't just conduct big. He conducts their entrance with speed and command, but the bars in between he does something I have seen few conductors do; he lowers his baton extremely slowly, but not at a random speed (the speed of a bar I guess) so as to prepare for the next attack.
Perhaps the greatest musical ascension captured by recording.
This recording is out of this world - greetings from Austria 🇦🇹
My mother hated me playing Bruckner Symphonies too loud, especially the 6th. I can still hear her yelling "NO!"
Aaah, while the 6th is so beautiful, the march-like bit in the first mvt, the beautiful slow movement, the barking trombone towards the end of the finale...
Turn it up, Dingo Rex!
good for her
@dingo Rex i can so relate, i listened to the whole of bruckner 8 on one train journey and the guy sitting next to me could hear it through my headphones!
Get a new mother.
One of the few conductors that get the ending right. Most rush it and drown out the pulsating strings.
Bravo!
And the horn chords slowly!
There is no right or wrong
I like both approaches.
The strings are the heartbeat.
@@lucaspoppen8122 ofc there is
The way how Celibidache unfolds this masterpiece in every little detail is mind blowing!!! Especially the final
Perfectly put Victor!
Wow!! Absolutely magnificent. The tempo is perfect!
Wenn ich Bruckners 4. Symphonie unter der Leitung von Celibidake höre, bin ich gerührt!!!! Und ich bin bitter und traurig in einer Welt ohne ihn!!!. Es ist so traurig, dass ich Celibidake nie wieder sehen und Musik mit seinem Dirigat hören kann!!!!!! Sie sehen jetzt kein so großes, heroisches Kommando.
Dreißig Jahre sind seit seinem Tod vergangen, aber ich trauere zutiefst um seinen Tod.
Ich musizierte mit Wolfgang Gaag (Solo Horn) und Erich Rinner (Solo Trompete) - hier zu sehen und zu hören. In den Pausen erwähnte ich wie gerne ich bei den Proben mit Celi dabeisein wollte. Es kam nie dazu. Ein paar Jahre später ist er verstorben. Erst dann wurde mir das Konzept der Vergänglichkeit so richtig bewusst. 😢
One of the things I love about Bruckner's symphonies is he wrote them for orchestra, not just strings with some accompaniment. I think it was the organist in him. He had to use every manual and every stop.
Ogni volta che osservo Celibidache, vedo la magnificienza e la perfezione della sua direzione. Persona fuori dagli schemi, vera, viva, partecipe, non distaccata, ma immersa nell'orchestra. Semplicemente magnifico. Un compendio stupendo col lavoro superlativo di Brukner.
I think it was this symphony that made me fall in love with Classical music back in 1972/3.
GRANDISSIMI Ragazzi!!GRANDE il.Nostro Sergiu che tiene unita l'orchestra con passione
Siete in veramente in armonia!!È un vero piacere ascoltarvi tutti insieme❤
Bruckner is speaking to the soul. His symphonies are spiritual testaments. Hear the ending of the first movement of his 7th symphony (the last four minutes os so) with BPO conducted by Daniel Barenboim, and you feel you are actually being transported into heaven.
True. Had the same experience.
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Best composer for brass ever!
Love the slow horn solo. Get goosebumps every time I hear it :)
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Yes! Mr. Gaag, Solohorn is the Superstar of this Recording!
Glad you like it as well. If you are a really good fan of the french horn, or a fellow player such as myself, I recommend hearing Gliere's horn concerto (played by Baborak), or Villanelle by Paul Ducas.
And can you hear the pulsating warmth of the brilliant sun starting at about 4:40? We are entering God's heaven, no?. Thank you, Bruckner.
Duh.
Yeah, that horn always gets to me too. Such a mix of sorrow, regret, longing, and reckoning
Like most people I'd started with Beethoven and Brahms and was relatively late to Bruckner. Then I heard the 8th symphony. What amazed me was how hard all the violins worked and yet they were drowned out by the brass but still contributed to the sound. Amazingly exciting. The 4th in this respect is similar.
4:13 God, that chord! Everytime I hear that chord ring out right there, just chilling. Of course, it's simply a Major chord, yes, but it's the lead up and ascent to that moment that's so breathtaking.
Yes I know, the way the trumpets just blare out that note in that chord, I love it too.
Me too!
@@trevjr Was thinking the same. Lovely!
It is a wonderful, spectacular and epic finale. I am still amazed by the gestures and sounds of the maestro demanding more strength from the orchestra
Celibidache y Bruckner es uno de los acontecimientos más grandes en la historia de la música, no hay nada más trascendental que esto.
Saludos desde México 🇲🇽
I saw him conduct Bruckner Nr.4 in San Francisco with the Münchner Philharmoniker. It was the only work on the program. The performance seemed as if it lasted 12 hours - but it felt as if it could've gone on for a month and STILL have been amazing. It was an incredible experience.
I have no words to describe the ending of this work under Celi. It just IS. I think it transcends all human understanding and Celi realises that perfectly here...
Might I just add it's played magnificently by the MPO.
mrsneaky2010
I wasn't familiar with Bruckner No.4 until I heard it live with Celibidache conducting. Since then, I've become a fan of the work. It's not fair to judge other conductors using his performance since it is unlike anything by anyone else. Other Fourths I can listen to without feeling disappointment are live versions by Kubelik (Vienna Philharmonic) and Furtwangler (Berlin Philharmonic, of course).
I was at that same San Francisco concert. Hopefully you also enjoyed the open rehearsal that immediately preceded the performance. From the very opening of the first movement, I had never heard an orchestral ensemble sound quite the same way. The level of CONTROL was unbelievable. Just incredible.
I was out of town and a friend described it to me: “Wow!” Hate I missed it. Did get to see Oslo and Jansons blow the roof off with Shosty 10, though....
Alright Mr. Sneaky, then how do you explain 2:18? I think it's from a conductor who demands TOO MUCH from a section, pushes their limits too much, then the horns lose their chops form overblowing. This isn't glorious Bruckner, it's forced, tyrannical Bruckner.
...an extraordinary director bringing to us the genius of Bruckner...Thank you!!
There is no better tempo for the coda than in this recording, you can‘t change my mind.
heard the same by many others, and yeah this is the bestest of all of them!
I disagree. Way too slow
I agree and no-one will ever change my mind either.
Can I join the club...? 🙃
This is thrilling. One of the best performances of this great symphony I have ever heard. Any discussion on the tempo, in my opinion, is irrelevant. The overall conception is breathtaking.
Bruckner sublime. Orchestra amazing. Celibidache both elegant and commanding.
Oh, one of my all time favorite symphonies! Many's the time I've listened to it all the way through because I wanted to get to that ending!
The symphony really has three codas as good as any.
...es impresionante la cara de satisfacción del maestro Celibidache en este final. que descanse en paz este insigne artista. Lo vi dirigir Cuando era joven aquí en Chile
Sergiu Celibidache est incroyable. On peut prétendre que le tempo est trop lent mais une fois qu'on écoute une oeuvre conduite par Celibidache, il est très difficile d'écouter la même conduite par un autre chef d'orchestre. Celibidache est bien au delà. Je l'adore.
5:10--guy fiddling like his life depended on it!!
Breathtaking build-up!
Absolutely magnificent playing. Stunning.
Way beyond beauty, this is just deeply transcendent, connecting our whole being to the whole cosmos.
I had never heard Bruckner's 4th before. I clicked on this clip out of curiosity for the title. It is absolutely astonishing. I am not religious, but if ascent into heaven does exist and has ever been interpreted in music then this must truly be it.
very well said
If you like going to heaven, check out Bruckner's "locus iste"
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You should check out Os Justi if you haven’t it is a portal to the beginning and ending of time it is intrinsically all matter and space infinitely heavy and weightless
God, i adore Bruckner so much.
Me too..
Bruckner is a great Alchemist of the soul
Celibidache is a great Alchemist of Bruckner’s symphonies
Bruckner’s symphonies soothe my soul
I play these Bruckner Symphonies (7 8 9) a lot! All the Musical Nourishment I need in life!
Bruckner's 4th was the first Bruckner piece I ever heard, and I loved it immediately. As good as it was, it was nothing like this. WOW. I feel like *this* is the first time I have *really* heard Bruckner's 4th!
The best introduction that I can think of. I would introduce Bruckner in this order: 4, 7, 8, 5, 3 (but 9 between 8 and 5 only if by Celibidache!)
The original revision of the 4th is quite different from the revision most often performed.
@@paulbrower4265 Which revision of the 4th?
Also, I liked performances by Simone Young with Hamburg Philharmoniker. Check it out.
@@paulbrower4265 His Symphony 0 is great. Got in from a Vox magazine in 90s.
@@dingorex Agreed. It seems right. Remember: we have little "young" Bruckner and little small-scale Bruckner. Bruckner is becoming a power as a composer at the same age at which Mahler is dying.
Beautiful! Absolutely beautiful!
Wunderschöne Musik 👍
This is the one that introduced me to Bruckner's symphonies, about 2 - 2.5 years ago now. Thanks.
You never forget your first time.
Bruckner 7, London, late 1990s.
@@AvntXardE Chemistry, actually! All I know about the Mandelbrot set is that it looks neat and it describes some unexpected things. I'm not sure what part of mathematics I like, at least I liked it through school. I just think it's amazing that we've created precise, self-consistent ideas that build up to form complex patterns, and that happen to describe the universe very well at all levels of analysis.
Will it end with a bang or a whimper? Down to the last second, nobody knows. In this case it is in between, which is usually the most dangerous place for an assessment. Celibidache does exactly that and makes it seem completely right. This is simply amazing!
from 3:36 there is so much tension build up, it's really incredible...
For a short , but glorious finale coda , listen to the ending of Bruckner 3. One minute of goose pimples!!
Bruckner ! Celibidache ! How I wish Maestro would be here (his Birthday today 28.6. or 11.7.) giving us such magical moments as this. But I thank Heavens for these many records and videos we have !
Haydn and Mozart made it popular, Beethoven redefined it, Brahms polished it and Bruckner and Mahler elevated it to cosmic levels.
Made what exactly?
@@Berny27 O gênero sinfônico.
@@klausehrhardt4481, saudações.
@@Berny27 the symphony? and if not that then a chestnut on a string. It all seems too simplistic I think.
and bach laid the foundation :)
Já ouvi dezenas de versões e sempre considero essa a melhor.
It sounds like a hero reaching the end of their quest. They know they may perish as they descend into the darkness one last time, but if the worst comes to pass, they still know that they will save many innocents and will be remembered forever for their courage and selfless sacrifice.
"It sounds like a hero reaching the end of their quest." Exactly! Celi's conducting of the fourth at slow speeds presents an evolving structure for our contemplation, the tempo allowing us to savor each detail of this magnificant score, and when after 80 minutes, we reach the coda it feels like we have reached the summit after a long journey.
Absolutely right about the tension in the last two minutes.
THE BEST ENDING.
Uwe Komischke in his 20's first trumpet just wowww...
Sibelius #5 final movement is monumental, too. This, however is great.
I agree.
Absolutely awesome! Never heard another 4th like this! Just stunning!
Nobody ends a symphony like bruckner. This is majestic like the ending of his no 8. And grand like mahlers ending of the second and eight.
말러가 브루크너를 따라한 거지....
@@TheEhsk830 Not true at all.
The ostinato in the violins from 1:47 really sounds like a clock counting cosmic time on scales of aeons and galaxies. I feel a connection with Mahler here, especially in the finale of his 9th Symphony, where he also uses an ostinato figure (in the harps, I think) to suggest the slow but inexorable movement of time’s arrow. But where Bruckner rises above time and space and reaches ecstasy, Mahler seems never to be able to break free from the Earth, always struggling with his feelings and doubts.
I suggest the recording from 1988 on EMI, where it sounds even more beautifully played.
Nice comment, man. I agree!
Nice comments. The phrase "a clock counting cosmic time" expresses exactly what I thought.
Great comment!!
I cannot hear anything. I must be deaf.
What makes this music so beautiful is the nagging realisation that we've lost the things that makes life meaningful
the strings like a swarm of angry bees, marvellous!
2:34 every conductor to the horns, ever. The look, the stink face and the hand, all in 3 seconds!
Im shaking... this is so beautiful, i haven no word guys....
I love CELIBIDACHE. Rest in piece.❤
Greatest presentation of Bruckner ever
Do you have a reason for this assertion? With respects, I believe this interpretation to be mind numbingly slow. The tempo is marked "Bewegt, doch nicht zu schnell" which means "with motion, but not too fast". It does not mean "Largo"
Most finales need to be fortissimo for me (and a large amount of the population) to enjoy them, but this, this is on another level.
Bruckner's 4th was the door opener to Bruckner's unviverse to me.
Those rising violins at the end reaching for the heavens! Goosebumps!
IDEED
@richardgrassia5225 -- Yes....and Celi EMPHASIZES those violins behind.....MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE.....BRAVO from Acapulco!
C'est sublime et extraordinairement bien fait, avec une tension qu'on n'a jamais entendue ailleurs, mais, et pour cause, ce n'est pas le tempo de la partition mais celui voulu par Celibidache.
4:13 ... Aw man, I have always just adored that chord regardless of rendition!
Very good
Es ser elevado al cielo entre oracion, lagrimas y extasis espiritual. Bruckner encontro a Dios.
¡Que bien lo describe!
We the lucky few that can appreciate this music. I love how there are these long notes but the strings are agitating the whole time, each instrument and section comes in at their turn. I love the sound of the 4 oboes with the trumpet, magnificent. Why conduct this fast, this performance is perfect, we can hear the harmony change like mountains are moving. The theme is so basic and pure, octaves and fifths and fourths. I grew up on his 4th and 7th, now it's the 5th and 8th for me. This is still so great.
Great analysis!
The strings are insistent. The winds are funereal. This is what humanity making peace with mortality sounds like.
It's juste incredible ! Amazing !
Bruckner astonishing,great performance.
Yeah, Bruckner was an organist
There are transcriptions of some of his symphonies for organ. I've seen CDs of 3rd, 8th and 7th on Amazon.
Bruckner and Mahler, OMG!!
The strings are so important in Bruckner and too often drowned out by brass, so it's a blessing to hear them glow through.
Oh My. I just heard the last mvmt of the Shosh 5. And now...to hear the end of this stunning orchestral voice. It is divine. A most telling accounting of each orchestral section.
One of the best? This is the best ever!
A Genius at work!
Очень выверенное прочтение финала симфонии. Одно из лучших исполнений. Браво!
That violinist was giving his all!
저 가슴 깊이 울려오는 이 감동을 어떻게 말로 표현하겠습니까!
좋은 영상 고맙습니다~~
Thank you very much~~~~~!!
Musik ist eine heilige Kunst.
Tension très bien dosée !
I bought the full set of Bruckner symphonies many years ago and since that purchase, they have always moved me. Mahler took me to yet another level, particularly Symphony No. 2. Gorecki did likewise with 'Symphony of Sorrowful Songs".
Check out recordings by Simone Young with Hamburg Philharmoniker. Of all I heard, these are the most convincing.
02:33 increíble! Cuanta perfección! La entrada del corno es majestuosa! Las cuerdas generan tanta tensión! Me encanta!
Para mi sentir, un gran Final apoteosico, fuerte , exuberante y Grandioso.
Cosmic indeed, those triplet pulse from the strings! And sure enough that's Wolfgang Gaag (the "Einstein" of German Brass) on first horn, playing the very Bruckner symphony that lets the horn shine!
This is absolutely awesome!
I think to develop a symphonic finale from the 'Urgrund of music' impresses Mahler most at Bruckner. - Heinz
I see Bruckner + Celibidache? Immediate like even before listening 😄
😄😅😂 That cracked me up. But so true, same here!
Maestro Celibidache interpretation of Bruckner is the best one.
Gorgeous 😍 performance ❤
For me the firebird suite has one of the best endings
Shostakovich 7 for me
mahler 2
Same here
Sibelius 2
Finale from Eagles' Hotel Suite- California
-The thing about Bruckner is that he's wonderful at endings and also the emotional rising of the orchestral crescendo, but it never goes anywhere. Sir Thomas Beecham said it best when discussing Bruckner symphonies, "Twenty times I rose to the edge of my seat and twenty times I fell back in disappointment"
I feel that way about Mahler. It's all pretty, but like movie music: it doesn't feel emotionally authentic. But Bruckner moves me to the core, which is strange since I'm a big, bluff, extroverted atheist. We don't respond to every artist.
Superlativen schieten tekort,lijkt wel of deze man uit rots is gehouwen,zo statisch,maar uit elk gebaar hoe gering ook, spreekt geweldige bezieling,tot de ontlading:publiek bijna vergeet te klappen....Prachtige climax; Bruckner..!
Spectacular ... something to be said for slowing it down here.
Bruckner is ONE OF THE GREATEST COMPOSER, real Master.
All of Bruckner‘s symphony embodies the spiritual aesthetics unique to Bruckner
, and speak to the depth of the soul
That incredible final phrase ending in a cadence in phrygian mode. Magic!
Hi - I've been reading up on this and not really getting it - could you say when the final phrase/cadence starts - which 'chunk' is phrygian - I'd be grateful!