@@subnegro4946 the world has needed one of these for a while. just look how well Porsches age! and probably this will age even better because it's a Toyota. I'm only 15 right now, but I cant wait to pick one of these up in a few years with 200-300k on it.
@@unripetomato4312 wow at 15 you sound very mature. I own a 86 with a turbo kit reliably at 300whp for 4 years, Brembo all around, coilovers and adjustable LCA with 17x9 wheels and 245/40/17 Re71r tires. It feels very sharp and quick enough at 2860lbs with a full tank.
@@subnegro4946 thx for the compliment! ok, so I had to google some of what you just said. I understand lingo and measurements just become standard and hard to switch from; like everyone in Europe is familiar with 0-60 etc but why do we need to mix imperial _and_ metric!? you gave me the measurements for your wheels and tires in inches, cm, and mm. learning all this "car language" is like trying to memorize merc model names. like do they realize how little telling me it's a coupe narrows it down for me? anyways seems like you have a nice setup. and not surprised to hear that it's holding up well. I looked up LCA and I was just wondering if it's anything similar to bags. what are the pros and cons of each? are bags cheaper but they mess up your ride more? are bags only supposed to be used when stationary?
@@unripetomato4312 they're great cars, I got my 10 series frs back in November last year and the only other cars I've driven that feel as great to drive handling wise was Porsche and Ferrari, it's that good. When you get one you'll love it, I don't plan on ever getting rid of mine
I have a 2016 FRS. Would 100% recommend this car. Great, extremely fun daily driver with A LOT of aftermarket parts available to sweeten your ride. Drives and handles super good in the winter with good winter tires. No issues with the car. Only the basic maintenance like oil and brake pads/rotors and brake fluid flush so far.
I can confirm. I picked up a 2017 certified preowned one a year ago for a bargain and let me tell you, it doesn’t get old. The previous owner put some trd accessories on and it’s such a fun ride even though its my daily commuter car. I treat it like my baby and hope to get it to at least 300,000 miles
I literally just picked up a 2020 BRZ with the performance pack last week. Traded my Fiesta ST for it. Went through CarMax-- very impressed with the experience. Car had 1200 miles on it, and was 28 grand USD, which is like 4 or 5 grand under sticker for a new one in practically the same condition. I have never loved a car so much in my life. So stoked about it.
@@null5766 exact.y were being pushed into a communist program where the rich are rich and the poor are poor and need help because everything will be priced out of our ability.. what do you think is gonna happen from all the inflation from stimulus money? Just wait I know some bankers .. just take a look at the used car market and building materials Used cara 2-3% increase week over week and lumber up 370% and particle board up 600-700%... in the 70s and 80 a new car could be had for 4-10k...i can’t stand people who say it’s all relative because it’s not if you were making 30k in 1980s and make 30k now it’s not relative cus the same stuff costs way more ...now we have inflation from all the money printing to look forward to.. gonna see a digital currency approved by the government’s of the world soon.. mark my words
They’re super affordable now as long as you stay away from 2016+ models. searched for a while and found a 2013 brz last November that was one owner with about 80,000 hwy miles for 10,000. not a bad value at all
@@kx7zz Not that cheap where I live, the cheapest one I could find went for roughly 18 500 us dollars. It had done over 120 000 miles (I converted my units to American ones so it's easier to compare although I don't live there myself)
@@ericsson_motorsports you are limiting your focus on an area only next to you. Do that for any car, and the value might seem more than you expected. In general, they aren’t expensive to buy.
I’ve had my 2013 FRS for 7 years now and it is still a blast to drive after over 100k miles. I daily drove my car for about 5 years and I am excited to test out the new one. I have fixed the torque dip by putting in an aftermarket exhaust from the header back and tuned it to run on flex fuel. Now it has usable power in all areas of the power band.
Since Toyota & Subaru joined forces the quality of Subaru has increased while Toyota had the ability to make really cool cars am so happy for both of them And I actually feel like they should buy Mitsubishi because it’s dying a slow death
I’ve owned the 2015 BRZ sport tech Then I went to a 2015 WRX I quickly missed the BRZ… Jumped back into another BRZ I absolutely love it - If you can, Buy the BRZ RS Sport Tech ( Performance Package in the USA) the minor changes in that trim pack is a game changer The perfect livable daily suspension Love this car Will be keeping it until I die
BRZ/86 are my realistic dream cars (1st Gen tho, I don’t like the styling of the new ones at all) the possibilities are simply endless with this platform, I can’t wait to own one
I owned a 13 BRZ for 5 years and my main complaint with it was that the engine felt like it had a pile of stones mixed in with the oil. It was very coarse and rough to rev out. I didn't really care about the low power because I enjoyed being able to drive balls out most of the time. All the other obvious complaints like cheap interior and loud on the highway can be ignored because that is what you get for a cheap sports car.
Didn't the '13s have an issue with bad valve springs? I heard there was a recall. Or it could have been just how the boxers sound. Even those who love them say they sound like an old tractor.
@@JS-hw8ve I don't think the engine roughness was related to the recall. I had the recall done and no change in engine feel. I've driven later year 86s and they feel the same. The engine sound might have attributed to the coarseness.
Spot on guys! Good job. You got lots of smiles per gallon on that drive. I have a BMW 128i and a friend of mine has an FR-S. He let try it once and it ruined my BMW. Compared to his car, mine felt like a truck. For the price, you can't beat that.
I bought a GT86 Dragon Edition which cost me 28k € and i am super Happy. I will buy the GR86 aswell and collect all of the 86 Family. After the GR86, the AE86 will come
Love this video. Having owned both Miata and FRS, I prefer the Miata, but love both cars. I've done a lot of autocross in both cars, and both are very rewarding to drive. And that's just it. These cars are for drivers. Thanks for the quick tribute to them.
As a miata owner with full bolt ons. The 86 trd was a very nice car. Smooth steering and handling. Clutch and shifting nice. Good looks minus the hot wheel stickers.
You guys are fun to watch! After the Pandemic you guys should host the occasional live review with an audience! You know outside somewhere maybe with an event tent.
@@Rawas100 it's personal preference, I prefer NA feel, it's slower but it's not like I drag race the car or straight line is what this car was designed for
A centrifugal supercharger is nearly as bad as a turbocharger. There’s no lag, but the boost delivery isn’t linear. What the automotive industry needs to figure out is a decent axial supercharger. As efficient as turbocharger or centrifugal supercharger, but with the linear delivery of a Roots blower. But other than a very few in specialized applications, there aren’t many due to size, cost, complexity, and noise (you’d have to have a bleed valve-kind of like a blow off valve-open at idle to get rid of the unwanted boost). No.. for a pure experience, the predictably of NA will always win. This car isn’t for winning drag races. Buy a top spec family sedan and it will go faster. It’s for YOUR experience.
Bought an 2017 86 about 8 months ago and I love it. Unfortunately it came with worn stock tires which pretty much sucked. Just recently I bought some summer tires and it feels like a new car. I want to take it on a track sometime soon just to see what it can do.
Well, the nice thing about these, is cheap to fix, and you aren't afraid to absolutely beat the crap out of it. If I spent the money on a zl1, I'd be afraid to use it as intended
Just bought one 3 weeks ago and am loving it. Did not even consider used as the target audience (which at almost 60 I most definitely am not) shall we say abuses them 😊 Also, I decided not to wait as I believe the best version of a car is always the last year and the worst version is the first year.
These cars will be like Nissan 240SXs and Fox Body Mustangs. In future years to find one that’s original owner and bone stock will be like finding a unicorn.
Financially, it makes zero sense to buy one of these new. Bought a 2015 FR-S with 30k miles for around 16k. Fixed the torque dip, tuned it, got some sticky tires, and now I have a clean, perfect car for more than 15k under sticker price. Love these things
That's true of basically any new vehicle, aside from maybe a Tacoma. I love the 3-4 year depreciation dip because for the price you can get a car that's incomparable to anything new, even +$10k.
@@joelness Exactly!! I'm making it a point to never buy a new car as long as I live. Slight tangent, this is also the same reason that I'll probably never own a Tesla. They buy back their used cars and sell them only slightly under what a new car would be, totally skewing the market for their cars. Tesla does some pretty shady stuff. EVs are the future, but I'm banking on another company to make a decently reliable car with no weird luxury BS.
Things to consider before buying this from a former 86 owner. 1. TRD exhaust sounds great but drones at highway speeds. 2. The torque dip requires you too keep the car at 4500 RPM or higher. 3. Do not go lower than gt trim, as the cable linkage for HVAC controls on the lower trims feels so cheap. Lastly, don’t think I hate it. Compared to my 19 mustang gt, the 86 is playful, more forgiving, cheaper to run and amazing steering.
I almost bought a new BRZ (in yellow)c5-6 years ago. I loved its looks and how it drove, but I held off because it seemed too small. Ironically, I bought a new ND1 Miata almost 3 years ago, which is of course even smaller. I still love my Miata, but I am very excited about the new BRZ and 86 coming this fall. If it lives up to expectations, I'll sell or trade the Miata for a new BRZ or 86 - but probably the BRZ. I like the front end better, at least in the photos and videos I've seen so far. Also, I'm with you on the turbo thing. I'm glad the new version will be naturally aspirated!
Yes. I still wish I bought the '19/' 20 Limited BRZ over the WRX I left the dealer in. Granted, the BRZ on the lot was Silver and I didn't want a/another silver car. Slow or not its a fabulous car. I can only hope the 2022 is just as good.
6:15 amen 🙏🏽 I’m just happy to see these on the road and that they exist at all. These are going to be the cars future generations desire looking back like the way we do looking at supras, 300ZX’s, Silvias, integras, 3000GTs, etc. Because they offer a simplistic sports car experience without the distractions. Not saying the 86/BRZ are on the same performance playing field as some of those other cars, but they do the formula of simple sports car fun that you can go ape shit with mods if you want justice. They’re a smiles per gallon car. Period.
I have never even driven one but I agree. A couple of my favorite all time cars owned were a 1986 Mazda RX7 2+2 and a 1993 Honda Prelude. Both were purchased new with manual transmissions. And I have owned several cars with over 300 hp. Also with manuals! I very much have enjoyed the 2006 Mazda3 5 speed sedan I bought new and it is currently my daily driver until I get my next new car. Oh, and I had a 2003 350z I bought new but with an automatic. I drove it, liked it, and bought it because I couldn't wait for a manual. It just didn't satisfy me in the long run because it was an automatic.
@@t.k.morris wow those are some awesome cars to have owned!!! And I love Zs!!! Actually considering one still going to compare it with some of the new sports cars we have today and go from their but I’ve always appreciated them and adored them. I love the Mazda3 too and my dads had 3 of them haha sometimes we’ll switch cars just so I can drive his and I drive a GTI lmao they’re so much fun and so engaging. I can definitely see how the automatic wouldn’t work for you long term coming from driving manuals mostly. I’m trying to get into the habit of driving manual more often myself but traffic is just getting worse everyday and driving skills are on an decline
These guys are fake... There's a real channel called throttle house and these guys call themselves extra throttle house... They need to either face each other in a boxing ring or something.
Always reminded me of the more classic z cars. It looks less bulbous than the modern z’s, and to be honest, I think it looks more sporty and just flat out better. It will be interesting to see the new versions of these cars come up against the 400z. I think they will become very competitive, especially since the new versions of these seem to becoming more hatchback-esque and they seem to almost share the same grill and headlight styling as the 400z. Very similar price range too. I’m incredibly excited as I love the old Z cars. I’d love to hear your analysis this too!
The 86 is my first love as a car enthusiast ❤️ In fact, the reason why I like the new Supra so much is because I see it sort of as an "Ultimate 86" Even in terms of styling and everything Edit in 2024: Yes, I have in fact, gone back to loving the 86 with the new GR 86 and it is now the perfect car for me 🥰
Nothing wrong with making a smart, responsible decision. Imagine if you bought a shit car instead of a good money saving car? Now you have some knowledge behind you and can choose something better. Also, last time I went to the track, there was a Prius there...
I love the 86 and am really looking forward to the new one...if I can afford to have another second fun car after my Miata, an 86 of some sort is definitely on my list...and I would be tempted to consider a new one if I could get a good deal, honestly. They seem to have a floor to their depreciation and it'd be nice to know its history from new. But if I couldn't afford a new one I would definitely not be turned away from a used one!
The amount of people I see demanding this car be turbo charged really grinds my gears. They completely miss the point of why it exists. I test drove one recently and it was such a fun car to drive. I'm holding out for the new one though if my current car dies and I have to pick up one of the models that are currently out I wouldn't be disappointed.
Yes they do lol. It's annoying yes but they get new people every day, in every people. For example, that intro was perfect for me because I just found out about their second channel through this video
I bought one of the last BRZs at the dealership, made 12/20. In blue like this 86. I am loving it and was afraid this video was going to say to wait for the new one in 2022!
Eh wait for the new one - no replacement for displacement. 😉 Plus if they keep the port + direct injection it might be worth keeping for a few hundred thousand miles.
Biggest flex is knowing your car and loving your car. People will envy you and others will hate because they don’t understand how you can dedicate soo many hours to a machine. Well that is OUR passion. We love what WE do. I never hated on the BRZ. I’d still own one used once they dip to the 7k range. I’ll enjoy my S550 5.0 for the time being.
Love these cars, recently had a debate with a friend about a GT86/BRZ vs the modern challenger. And personally, I would take one of these over even a hellcat. Love seeing them, love Toyota in general and hearing your opinions on it validates that a bit
I have so many concerns 1. The car ain’t cheap it’s $30k new 2. Who wouldn’t want more power with a turbo 3. Why did you close the door using the window 😂 I could see the mark throughout the video 4. The video was great btw
This channel should be used for some POV reviews similar to Trophers or Tedwards channel hence the lower production compared to your main channel. Since you guys live with these cars for a week or so, may as well strap a go pro on yourself and film a quick drive and interior/exterior walkarounds for overall first impressions.
So torn between this and the brz leaning towards a brz as I’m a Subaru fan but then the car really seems based off the ae86 meaning it’s more logical option . Such hard decision lol
I went fiesta st instead. Way more practical, just as fun, pretty much every time you see the two stock vehicles on a track they're laying down very similar times, and with very little money you can max out the stock turbo and gain about 30 more horsepower and 70 more pound-foot of torque. The only real downside is it's not rear wheel drive, which isn't really that big of a deal because the fiesta gets its tail out really easily, easily enough that if you're not expecting it, it could bite you in the ass. The fiesta is definitely not as good looking.
The best thing about the new BRZ is that I want it even more than the current one. Manual transmission, RWD, lightweight, and the sound it's going to improve.
I love how pure this is, just 2 guys loving a great sports car. It’s not all about power and this video is a fine example of that
The ending was golden
shower
It was an amazing ending. 😂
I, too, prefer the part where it ended.
i realize it is kinda off topic but does anyone know a good place to watch newly released tv shows online?
@Ahmed Miles Flixportal xD
8:37 James had to get Thomas back after the intro to the M3 video 😂
This car is a budget Porsche in every way. Light weight, timeless design, no fancy gimmicks or features, just a great and timeless driving machine.
Finally someone who gets it!
@@subnegro4946 the world has needed one of these for a while. just look how well Porsches age! and probably this will age even better because it's a Toyota. I'm only 15 right now, but I cant wait to pick one of these up in a few years with 200-300k on it.
@@unripetomato4312 wow at 15 you sound very mature. I own a 86 with a turbo kit reliably at 300whp for 4 years, Brembo all around, coilovers and adjustable LCA with 17x9 wheels and 245/40/17 Re71r tires. It feels very sharp and quick enough at 2860lbs with a full tank.
@@subnegro4946 thx for the compliment! ok, so I had to google some of what you just said. I understand lingo and measurements just become standard and hard to switch from; like everyone in Europe is familiar with 0-60 etc but why do we need to mix imperial _and_ metric!? you gave me the measurements for your wheels and tires in inches, cm, and mm. learning all this "car language" is like trying to memorize merc model names. like do they realize how little telling me it's a coupe narrows it down for me? anyways seems like you have a nice setup. and not surprised to hear that it's holding up well. I looked up LCA and I was just wondering if it's anything similar to bags. what are the pros and cons of each? are bags cheaper but they mess up your ride more? are bags only supposed to be used when stationary?
@@unripetomato4312 they're great cars, I got my 10 series frs back in November last year and the only other cars I've driven that feel as great to drive handling wise was Porsche and Ferrari, it's that good. When you get one you'll love it, I don't plan on ever getting rid of mine
I have a 2016 FRS. Would 100% recommend this car. Great, extremely fun daily driver with A LOT of aftermarket parts available to sweeten your ride. Drives and handles super good in the winter with good winter tires. No issues with the car. Only the basic maintenance like oil and brake pads/rotors and brake fluid flush so far.
exactly why i'm getting this - cause i've heard it's good for daily driving in the winter
I can confirm. I picked up a 2017 certified preowned one a year ago for a bargain and let me tell you, it doesn’t get old. The previous owner put some trd accessories on and it’s such a fun ride even though its my daily commuter car. I treat it like my baby and hope to get it to at least 300,000 miles
Trading my lovely Alfa romeo for this. Turning it down a notch but I'm super excited for it!
Would you still recommend manual even if its being used as a daily? I'm considering the automatic just because I find it more convenient
@@_zainaful my friend had a manual brz and daily drives it. All depends on what you prefer
Unlike Thomas's wife when she... 😂😂😂
Classic ending
🤣
Unlike [insert your name] wife when she ...
Removed his pants.
FYI Thomas's wife is a BMW.
hahahaha
I literally just picked up a 2020 BRZ with the performance pack last week. Traded my Fiesta ST for it. Went through CarMax-- very impressed with the experience. Car had 1200 miles on it, and was 28 grand USD, which is like 4 or 5 grand under sticker for a new one in practically the same condition. I have never loved a car so much in my life. So stoked about it.
Thats epic. Congrats DJ, enjoy it!
I hate that $30K is considered "cheap" now. Pricing on everything is crazy
I mean... Inflation man, it's just how economics works.
@@tristanparkk too bad wages don't go up to reflect inflation
Car basically more than doubled in price in South Africa. So maybe 30Kc$ isn't too bad.
@@null5766 sticky wages
@@null5766 exact.y were being pushed into a communist program where the rich are rich and the poor are poor and need help because everything will be priced out of our ability.. what do you think is gonna happen from all the inflation from stimulus money? Just wait I know some bankers .. just take a look at the used car market and building materials Used cara 2-3% increase week over week and lumber up 370% and particle board up 600-700%... in the 70s and 80 a new car could be had for 4-10k...i can’t stand people who say it’s all relative because it’s not if you were making 30k in 1980s and make 30k now it’s not relative cus the same stuff costs way more ...now we have inflation from all the money printing to look forward to.. gonna see a digital currency approved by the government’s of the world soon.. mark my words
The best thing about the new 86/BRZ is that the older ones might finally drop in value
They’re super affordable now as long as you stay away from 2016+ models. searched for a while and found a 2013 brz last November that was one owner with about 80,000 hwy miles for 10,000. not a bad value at all
@@kx7zz Not that cheap where I live, the cheapest one I could find went for roughly 18 500 us dollars. It had done over 120 000 miles (I converted my units to American ones so it's easier to compare although I don't live there myself)
They have dropped in value. There are plenty of them being sold for $9k-$13k right now. What you talking about?
@@ericsson_motorsports you are limiting your focus on an area only next to you. Do that for any car, and the value might seem more than you expected. In general, they aren’t expensive to buy.
@@JacesOwnWorld Prices are different depending on where you live, it's not the same in the whole world
I’ve had my 2013 FRS for 7 years now and it is still a blast to drive after over 100k miles. I daily drove my car for about 5 years and I am excited to test out the new one. I have fixed the torque dip by putting in an aftermarket exhaust from the header back and tuned it to run on flex fuel. Now it has usable power in all areas of the power band.
Do you still have it? plan to upgrade to the new gr86?
Love me some Extra TH!! Now we need Extra Extra TH , taking you behind the scenes of their day to day lives. Too much?
No! It's never to much if we have Thomas and and I'm james
@@unripetomato4312 Yeah lol
Well if we don't have to see them in a bathtub together playing with rubber ducks I'm in lol.
@@DoughnutsInspace I would pay to see that shit right there... Whatcha talkin about 🙄
My people!
I bought one, built in December 2020 so the end of the run. Feels fabulous!! So much fun to drive. 😁
Since Toyota & Subaru joined forces the quality of Subaru has increased while Toyota had the ability to make really cool cars am so happy for both of them
And I actually feel like they should buy Mitsubishi because it’s dying a slow death
Flogging my brz is one of my favorite things to do. This car delivers the experience of driving in spades.
I'm with James. These type of cars keep me hooked into cars.
I’ve owned the 2015 BRZ sport tech
Then I went to a 2015 WRX
I quickly missed the BRZ…
Jumped back into another BRZ
I absolutely love it - If you can, Buy the BRZ RS Sport Tech ( Performance Package in the USA) the minor changes in that trim pack is a game changer
The perfect livable daily suspension
Love this car
Will be keeping it until I die
BRZ/86 are my realistic dream cars (1st Gen tho, I don’t like the styling of the new ones at all) the possibilities are simply endless with this platform, I can’t wait to own one
Can't believe how much I've laughed on such a short video! Please don't ever stop doing what you do, guys!
It makes me so happy owning this car and everyone praising it 🤗
i do love that it's not as written out script review its professional casual, i like it
4:15 totally agree this has better seats and I owned an ND. Those seats are good at first but after a couple hours they stop making sense.
Got the hakone and I Love it so much straight up can't stop staring at it after I park, and it's been 2 years since I took it off the show room.
Best reviewers/drivers on TH-cam. Love your stuff! Only problem is I want every 2nd car you review.
YAS PLEASE MIATA VS 86
Thinking about buying one or the other currently. You guys are the best to watch🤙🏻
I have owned one for a year and love it. Everyone who sees it also love it. People think it is a very expensive sports car.
Love the enthusiasm!! These guys get it. Can't wait for the frumpy new one to be on sale - that 2.4 is going to be a peach.
I owned a 13 BRZ for 5 years and my main complaint with it was that the engine felt like it had a pile of stones mixed in with the oil. It was very coarse and rough to rev out. I didn't really care about the low power because I enjoyed being able to drive balls out most of the time. All the other obvious complaints like cheap interior and loud on the highway can be ignored because that is what you get for a cheap sports car.
Didn't the '13s have an issue with bad valve springs? I heard there was a recall.
Or it could have been just how the boxers sound. Even those who love them say they sound like an old tractor.
@@JS-hw8ve I don't think the engine roughness was related to the recall. I had the recall done and no change in engine feel. I've driven later year 86s and they feel the same.
The engine sound might have attributed to the coarseness.
My '13 blew up after the valve spring recall and Toyota told me to get fucked 👍
@@zabzinski What did you end up doing with it?
Spot on guys! Good job. You got lots of smiles per gallon on that drive. I have a BMW 128i and a friend of mine has an FR-S. He let try it once and it ruined my BMW. Compared to his car, mine felt like a truck. For the price, you can't beat that.
I bought a GT86 Dragon Edition which cost me 28k € and i am super Happy. I will buy the GR86 aswell and collect all of the 86 Family. After the GR86, the AE86 will come
We want throttle house live! Mayb some behind the scenes action or meeting the rest of the crew!!
Love this video. Having owned both Miata and FRS, I prefer the Miata, but love both cars. I've done a lot of autocross in both cars, and both are very rewarding to drive. And that's just it. These cars are for drivers. Thanks for the quick tribute to them.
I obtained one new like a few months ago. I'm loving every bit of it.
Don't leave us hanging James! What car was Thomas's wife so disappointed by?
Trust me buddy, he wasn’t talking about a car 😏
Not all of us are born with gifted size.
@@xFlared I am. Wanna see?
@@silverrain99205 yeah, prove it
Honestly if regular throttle house was one take I wouldn't complain. I enjoy the relaxed, not-too-serious vibe of you guys compared to other channels
Thanks for not stopping us, Thomas.
I have one, just needed to reinforce the purchase four years ago haha. Love this car and I will keep loving it for years to come.
As a miata owner with full bolt ons. The 86 trd was a very nice car. Smooth steering and handling. Clutch and shifting nice. Good looks minus the hot wheel stickers.
When you're extra early to an extra throttle house video
You guys are fun to watch! After the Pandemic you guys should host the occasional live review with an audience! You know outside somewhere maybe with an event tent.
There was no pandemic
I owned the car, gave me smile every time I get to a corner, the only thing I regret was slapping the turbo on it. Yeah call me weird.
I'm curious because I have my eye on the new one. Why did you regret the turbo? Isn't more power usually better?
@@Rawas100 it's personal preference, I prefer NA feel, it's slower but it's not like I drag race the car or straight line is what this car was designed for
@@minusCEE why didn't you centrifugal supercharge it then?
A centrifugal supercharger is nearly as bad as a turbocharger. There’s no lag, but the boost delivery isn’t linear.
What the automotive industry needs to figure out is a decent axial supercharger. As efficient as turbocharger or centrifugal supercharger, but with the linear delivery of a Roots blower.
But other than a very few in specialized applications, there aren’t many due to size, cost, complexity, and noise (you’d have to have a bleed valve-kind of like a blow off valve-open at idle to get rid of the unwanted boost).
No.. for a pure experience, the predictably of NA will always win.
This car isn’t for winning drag races. Buy a top spec family sedan and it will go faster. It’s for YOUR experience.
i am so excited because tomorrow morning i am picking up the 2020 i just bought!!!!
Great extra channel. Awesome platform and I agree with the used purchase. It's a steal.
Bought an 2017 86 about 8 months ago and I love it. Unfortunately it came with worn stock tires which pretty much sucked. Just recently I bought some summer tires and it feels like a new car.
I want to take it on a track sometime soon just to see what it can do.
I hate that I love how they end these videos.
I almost bought one of these a few years ago, until the perfect 987 appeared before me.
I almost bought one years ago, until I got bored of its acceleration from the first pull...
Well, the nice thing about these, is cheap to fix, and you aren't afraid to absolutely beat the crap out of it. If I spent the money on a zl1, I'd be afraid to use it as intended
My B8R6Z specialist in NorCal (the Racer’s Line - they’re fantastic!) says that most of their customers are former BMW types.
man this channel will hit a mil subs at the rate you two are going!
Just bought one 3 weeks ago and am loving it. Did not even consider used as the target audience (which at almost 60 I most definitely am not) shall we say abuses them 😊 Also, I decided not to wait as I believe the best version of a car is always the last year and the worst version is the first year.
These cars will be like Nissan 240SXs and Fox Body Mustangs.
In future years to find one that’s original owner and bone stock will be like finding a unicorn.
James is so sophisticated 😂
Financially, it makes zero sense to buy one of these new. Bought a 2015 FR-S with 30k miles for around 16k. Fixed the torque dip, tuned it, got some sticky tires, and now I have a clean, perfect car for more than 15k under sticker price.
Love these things
That's true of basically any new vehicle, aside from maybe a Tacoma. I love the 3-4 year depreciation dip because for the price you can get a car that's incomparable to anything new, even +$10k.
@@joelness Exactly!! I'm making it a point to never buy a new car as long as I live.
Slight tangent, this is also the same reason that I'll probably never own a Tesla. They buy back their used cars and sell them only slightly under what a new car would be, totally skewing the market for their cars. Tesla does some pretty shady stuff. EVs are the future, but I'm banking on another company to make a decently reliable car with no weird luxury BS.
Things to consider before buying this from a former 86 owner.
1. TRD exhaust sounds great but drones at highway speeds.
2. The torque dip requires you too keep the car at 4500 RPM or higher.
3. Do not go lower than gt trim, as the cable linkage for HVAC controls on the lower trims feels so cheap.
Lastly, don’t think I hate it. Compared to my 19 mustang gt, the 86 is playful, more forgiving, cheaper to run and amazing steering.
I almost bought a new BRZ (in yellow)c5-6 years ago. I loved its looks and how it drove, but I held off because it seemed too small. Ironically, I bought a new ND1 Miata almost 3 years ago, which is of course even smaller. I still love my Miata, but I am very excited about the new BRZ and 86 coming this fall. If it lives up to expectations, I'll sell or trade the Miata for a new BRZ or 86 - but probably the BRZ. I like the front end better, at least in the photos and videos I've seen so far. Also, I'm with you on the turbo thing. I'm glad the new version will be naturally aspirated!
I picked up the Hakone edition 86. Love it!
went from a 18’ performance pack brz to a 2021 wrx sti day and night difference but the brz is amazing if anyone’s considering it you should do it
And I went from a nice India Pale Ale to a 12 year old single malt.
They are about as comparable.
@@Bartonovich52 dank
Please do more extra throttle house. Review anything and everything! Hell bring a used Honda Fit or BMW X3 around town for a video.
This is helpful because I want this car for myself. Bless you guys and all that will see this comment
Don’t buy it man, look at a genny coupe or something with 6cylinders lol unless is a Subaru
@@zackatron925 get outta here🤣🤣
@@prabh8197 another member of 4cyl gang huh
@@zackatron925 another hater huh
Unlike Thomas's wife when she... WE NEED A PART 2 🤣
That’s cool how you guys made a video on the 86. I was thinking this year to purchase one in the Philippines :)
a good car needs to be a dream, this toyota is not even near
Yes. I still wish I bought the '19/' 20 Limited BRZ over the WRX I left the dealer in. Granted, the BRZ on the lot was Silver and I didn't want a/another silver car. Slow or not its a fabulous car. I can only hope the 2022 is just as good.
6:15 amen 🙏🏽 I’m just happy to see these on the road and that they exist at all. These are going to be the cars future generations desire looking back like the way we do looking at supras, 300ZX’s, Silvias, integras, 3000GTs, etc. Because they offer a simplistic sports car experience without the distractions. Not saying the 86/BRZ are on the same performance playing field as some of those other cars, but they do the formula of simple sports car fun that you can go ape shit with mods if you want justice. They’re a smiles per gallon car. Period.
I have never even driven one but I agree. A couple of my favorite all time cars owned were a 1986 Mazda RX7 2+2 and a 1993 Honda Prelude. Both were purchased new with manual transmissions. And I have owned several cars with over 300 hp. Also with manuals! I very much have enjoyed the 2006 Mazda3 5 speed sedan I bought new and it is currently my daily driver until I get my next new car. Oh, and I had a 2003 350z I bought new but with an automatic. I drove it, liked it, and bought it because I couldn't wait for a manual. It just didn't satisfy me in the long run because it was an automatic.
@@t.k.morris wow those are some awesome cars to have owned!!! And I love Zs!!! Actually considering one still going to compare it with some of the new sports cars we have today and go from their but I’ve always appreciated them and adored them. I love the Mazda3 too and my dads had 3 of them haha sometimes we’ll switch cars just so I can drive his and I drive a GTI lmao they’re so much fun and so engaging. I can definitely see how the automatic wouldn’t work for you long term coming from driving manuals mostly. I’m trying to get into the habit of driving manual more often myself but traffic is just getting worse everyday and driving skills are on an decline
The only thing better than Extra Throttle House is Thortle Horse. I have spoken.
Can’t wait for the GR86, same philosophy more power. Will be one of the best cars on the market for sure
so explain Extra Throttle House to me again? i'm confused... Is this the main channel?
this is the main channel but they have one called Throttle House for extra content if you like them!
@@someone123421 other way around bro
These guys are fake... There's a real channel called throttle house and these guys call themselves extra throttle house... They need to either face each other in a boxing ring or something.
@@darian1540 🦝
@@Stormtrooper-oc4vn yeah these are two 12 year olds using face matching software.. pretty depressing if you ask me
The looks of this car is way better than the fish look and the rear look of the new 86🤣. I rather get this than the new ones
"I'm extra Thomas.. and i'm extra James!"
I would love to see comparison between BRZ/86 vs Miata vs Fiat 124 Abarth .
Show on Amazon prime called everday driver I believe 30min high quality episode with just that!
best motoring did that already, they had a battle with the 3 of them
@@niftycritters7156 Everyday Driver is on youtube too.
Savage geese has a s2000 vs Miata vs 86 video that is great.
Perfect timing. My class just ended.
Always reminded me of the more classic z cars. It looks less bulbous than the modern z’s, and to be honest, I think it looks more sporty and just flat out better. It will be interesting to see the new versions of these cars come up against the 400z. I think they will become very competitive, especially since the new versions of these seem to becoming more hatchback-esque and they seem to almost share the same grill and headlight styling as the 400z. Very similar price range too. I’m incredibly excited as I love the old Z cars. I’d love to hear your analysis this too!
The 86 is my first love as a car enthusiast ❤️ In fact, the reason why I like the new Supra so much is because I see it sort of as an "Ultimate 86" Even in terms of styling and everything
Edit in 2024: Yes, I have in fact, gone back to loving the 86 with the new GR 86 and it is now the perfect car for me 🥰
What happened to Thomas’s wife??? WE NEED TO KNOW!!!
every time i see new 86/brz content i want to drive my prius into a lake
Is it your only car?
@@mikehawk6175 yeah. i got it before i knew that i liked cars. the lease ends in august; hoping the GR86 is available stateside by then
Nothing wrong with making a smart, responsible decision.
Imagine if you bought a shit car instead of a good money saving car? Now you have some knowledge behind you and can choose something better.
Also, last time I went to the track, there was a Prius there...
I love the 86 and am really looking forward to the new one...if I can afford to have another second fun car after my Miata, an 86 of some sort is definitely on my list...and I would be tempted to consider a new one if I could get a good deal, honestly. They seem to have a floor to their depreciation and it'd be nice to know its history from new. But if I couldn't afford a new one I would definitely not be turned away from a used one!
Thomas: I don't think there's a better platform to learn to drive rear-wheel drive.
Takumi Fujiwara: *agrees*
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The amount of people I see demanding this car be turbo charged really grinds my gears. They completely miss the point of why it exists. I test drove one recently and it was such a fun car to drive. I'm holding out for the new one though if my current car dies and I have to pick up one of the models that are currently out I wouldn't be disappointed.
Honestly, you guys don't really need to explain the channel every time, but good vid as always.
Yes they do lol. It's annoying yes but they get new people every day, in every people. For example, that intro was perfect for me because I just found out about their second channel through this video
Would love to see the 2022 brz/86 vs Miata and the new 400z
I bought one of the last BRZs at the dealership, made 12/20. In blue like this 86. I am loving it and was afraid this video was going to say to wait for the new one in 2022!
Eh wait for the new one - no replacement for displacement. 😉 Plus if they keep the port + direct injection it might be worth keeping for a few hundred thousand miles.
Biggest flex is knowing your car and loving your car. People will envy you and others will hate because they don’t understand how you can dedicate soo many hours to a machine. Well that is OUR passion. We love what WE do. I never hated on the BRZ. I’d still own one used once they dip to the 7k range. I’ll enjoy my S550 5.0 for the time being.
This is my new favourite channel
A Miata comparison with the new BRZ/86 - without the torque dip - would be so great!
I did. The best thing Ive ever done for myself. I love her.
Would you rather have a top-trim Extra TH video or a base-trim regular TH video 🤔🤔🤔
Love these cars, recently had a debate with a friend about a GT86/BRZ vs the modern challenger. And personally, I would take one of these over even a hellcat. Love seeing them, love Toyota in general and hearing your opinions on it validates that a bit
I have so many concerns
1. The car ain’t cheap it’s $30k new
2. Who wouldn’t want more power with a turbo
3. Why did you close the door using the window 😂 I could see the mark throughout the video
4. The video was great btw
This channel should be used for some POV reviews similar to Trophers or Tedwards channel hence the lower production compared to your main channel. Since you guys live with these cars for a week or so, may as well strap a go pro on yourself and film a quick drive and interior/exterior walkarounds for overall first impressions.
So torn between this and the brz leaning towards a brz as I’m a Subaru fan but then the car really seems based off the ae86 meaning it’s more logical option . Such hard decision lol
The brz and 86 are identical cars.....
@@drunkhusband6257 the logo makes a huge difference ;)
The ending won you a like gents
This video explains why I own a ND 1 & a 2020 Toyota 86
I like how TH's side channel is better than all of the coveted car vlogger main channels (SC Blondie, Shmee, Salomondrin etc.)
I used to work for Toyota and leased one great motor
Whoa, could I get a video just explaining extra throttle house
I went fiesta st instead.
Way more practical, just as fun, pretty much every time you see the two stock vehicles on a track they're laying down very similar times, and with very little money you can max out the stock turbo and gain about 30 more horsepower and 70 more pound-foot of torque.
The only real downside is it's not rear wheel drive, which isn't really that big of a deal because the fiesta gets its tail out really easily, easily enough that if you're not expecting it, it could bite you in the ass.
The fiesta is definitely not as good looking.
Yeah I thought other people would notice the Ford escape look
The best thing about the new BRZ is that I want it even more than the current one. Manual transmission, RWD, lightweight, and the sound it's going to improve.
but do you like the new face? looks like a fish outta water. New 86 looks way better in the face department.
I almost chocked on my food at the end 🤣🤣🤣☠️☠️☠️
Great little car!
Cars like these, doesn't matter MX5 vs. BRZ/GT86. We all win because they exist.