He also didn't go into any detail at all. Which is totally fine, it's his opinion, his take, and that's completely fine. But I can't say that a review with no substance is really worth listening to.
i don't play WOW but i'm convinced it is part of some large scale social experiment. the discussion around this game are wildly interesting and I think mirror some discussions relevant to the real world.
What's really intresting is that a large ammount of the people who watch hate content of the game havent even played it in years. Like I'll go on videos and people are like I stopped playing in cata game sucks, cata being 13 years ago. I can't think of another game like that. Most won't even have played dragonflight and are like it's awful. If i had to guess the long term time commitment people have put in the game and then for it to disappoint them made them have long grudges. Or there just tired of mmo formula, which fair.
Yea WTF is a story? WTF is even that, this is WOW , if you pay attention to the story/lore you're a fucking lunatic. Blizzard not only jumped the shark, they fucking launched off the shark into space back when we went to fucking Pandaria and it's only gotten crazier ever since.
Grats on ruining your life pursuing an esport that died over a decade ago where "pros" can only afford to move out of their mom's house if they sell boosts which break the TOS. That includes the best players in the world like Whaaaz. The only exception are the influencer and shills chosen to promote the game/be casters and hype you on a game that is no longer a MMO and that's designed around mythic and arena, both of which suck.
I agree on most points but whos saying hes pursuing a pro career?Cant he enjoy it casually untill 1800 or atleast hit 2400 in shuffle?Its not the best pvp game out there but it has its fans/uniqueness to it so if he doesnt mind it not being league/valorant/dota/cs/fortnite style of popularity he can chill playing it.You went on him like he said "yes im gonna pursue career in wow pvp''.Its subjective theres people that enjoy the game.While ill say im 50/50 recently but i played abit till 2400 in shuffles and had some fun.Objectively if you only pvp you can call it bad compared to other titles but as you know the focus on PvP in that game has been put down long ago(if there wss any back in bc/wotlk).
@@hackintosh3899 thats rich bro. u know u can take part in high level gameplay without sacrificing your whole life? never heard of a hobby b4? no ones trying to be an esport pro in wow dawg lol. its the opposite of lucrative and all the people with brains realize this. personally, I just play cause its fun doing challenging content with my friends.
The story DOES suck. Compared to the solid foundation it was borne from. Most major plot characters have already been destroyed, killed or warped beyond recognition. And this expansion adds ... nothing, really besides another environment.
Wow's story sucks dick BECAUSE its been over for years. They keep adding onto it, however I feel like the culmination of the story was the death of the Lich King, which is where the true story of wow ended. Cataclysm sundered the world and wrecked a lot of things, such as the timeline of things, the story is not even linear from this point forward. Every expansion since has introduced some things that some people like and others that others like, but I cant definitively say the game has improved at all since WotLK. This game had a golden era, and it is over. Even the reliving of the golden era is over, as Cata Classic is heading into Firelands. Will they do MoP classic? Absolutely, but the STORY is long done. 4/10 is fair imo
The lore has always been much deeper than just the lich king. The titans, the old God's, the void lords, the prison world, ordering, and Azeroth have always been
This post pretty much confirms my opinion on this battle between current retail wow players and the ones where they played till WOTLK/cata. quit and have been bitching about the game ever since. I call it ex-gf syndrome ^^ I can bet you 10$ I can ask 5 lore related question and you would get them probably all wrong. You need to move on my guy and go play some other game and torment others lol
Im enjoying TWW but yeah I felt like the end of the story was Legion, not wotlk. The burning legion were built up as the ultimate baddies for 10 years before we got the expac to finally fight them. Afterwards it felt like the story ended there. Bfa, shadowlands, df, tww just feels like side quests after finishing the main story
@@daltonnelson94 Except it hasn't. The old Gods were a retcon in Wrath with Yogg Saron. Cthun was at the time inspired by the LOTR movies back in classic. Giant eye, ancient evil, corrupting stuff. Nothing more. Void Lords are a retcon that came in Legion when Blizzard realized: what after the Burning Legion is defeated? It's completely new lore. I've stopped following WoW lore and buying books in bfa due to how bad it became, but what is the prison world? Never heared of that. The Shadowlands? Guess that is another addition. All of these things were bloated on top if it and this makes for an incohesive mess. It's not even really an unpopular take that wow lore turned into a mess. I don't really like to pin point a certain date, as many expansions managed to still tell compelling story, it's just the structure and way the lore was built. It just opens up loopholes and conflicting information over time. That's the main issue. I doubt any serious wow lore fan bought the idea that the Jailer has been there since WC3. Both Platinum WoW or Nobble, who are to this day passionate about the game completely shat on Shadowlands lore to give an example.
@EB-bl6cc i kinda feel bad for u, your watching a wow streamers vid about wow content 😂
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"Hey guys, it's only the Alpha, don't judge it yet! it will be good later." "Hey guys, it's only the Beta, don't judge it yet! it will be good later." "Hey guys, it's only early-access, don't judge it yet! it will be good later." "Hey guys, it's only launch day, don't judge it yet! it will be good later." "Hey guys, it's only the first week, it will get patched, don't judge it yet! it will be good later." "Hey guys, it's only the first part of the expansion, we don't have the whole story, don't judge it yet! it will be good later." (after paying the sub that entire time, plus expansion price, PLUS early access price) ""Hey guys, new expansions announced! This is the one!" Man... shut the fuck up. So tired of people like you.
@@EB-bl6cc I mean, in order for something to be good to you there needs to be a willingness to actually try it. WoW's always been a slow-burn game and there's never been a situation where a trial edition or early access has been a great way to experience the game. I don't think it's valid to give the game a review when we don't even have access to the endgame. I do, however, think he is valid for reviewing the questing experience because that will receive very little changes if any.
But you trust the "opinion" of an influencer who only profits off WoW, who also is employed as a caster in events by WoW? AHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH.
@@hackintosh3899 Listen to the voices in your head a little less often. You're fighting ghosts, my dude. You extrapolated a hell of a lot out of a small sentence.
The new hero talents doesn't add any flavor or customization to the spec since we are forced to play only 1 tree that is drastically stronger than the other in many cases. This is true expecially for hybrid class that are forced on one single tree. R sham is an expection since has 2 very good trees but.. what about monk? Mw uses Celestial Conduit, Bm monk uses master of Harmony and WW uses Shado Pan, outside of this they don't work. I think they could just add more talents inside the class/spec tree and let us choose more talents, maybe implementing some old tier set. In general I think that DF talent trees were great and a game change while those here from tww are a little bit sad.
Its the worst expansion for me. Only good thing is Xal'atath but thats a tiny part. Boring underground areas and bunch of spiders and dwarves. Wow just what people want.
Gamer plays wow like he played a decade ago, dont interac with the new stuff and is ready to shit on the game when he can. Obviously it will suck for those guys, i mean if u already go to something expecting it to suck, it'll suck xd. Doesnt make sense in my head to listen to someone who dosent know wtf he is talking about, and yet here we're. I like xaryu because he has a open mindset to experience in games, we should be like that. TL DR: if you play retail wow expecting it to be what u played years ago, it'll not be the same, or u try the game as it is now and give it a shot, or you quit and play something else, doesnt have to be a big deal at all
its funny, non gamers should quit and go play something else but they have stocks and influence the direction of games they don't place much input into
I agree with Quinn I got bored with it really fast. I want it to be good but it's just really isn't. It's been bad since sunwell when blizz removed the need for cc in dungeons and actually having to know how to play your class.
Yeah people with an IQ over room temp in an igloo who realize that influencers like Xaryu directly tied to a product as far as monetization have no real opinions.
@@hackintosh3899holy hell this is an “UM ACKSHUALLY you’re just too dumb to get his nuanced take where he says that something ‘sucks dick’ three times as his only form of critique” ass comment
It doesnt suck its just unremarkable. Same as DF to me. If you like the Wow endgame thats been there for years now, youll probably like it. If your looking for something different, ya. Your not finding it. WoWs been an incredibly stale since Legion. Man Legion was special. Willing to try so much.
He says the story sucks but does he even read any of the dialogue or anything? Or does quinn just skip through it while paying attentioon to his chat instead
Man literally WoW is so soft right now. Look at dwarves. Such pussies at the moment. Actually, not dwarves. Every character. Each one of them talking about their feelings, regrets, like some cry baby. Sure, its not bad for the story. But fuck, its almost everywhere i look. Then you have Alleria. Just another edgy, angry elf fueled by vengeance. I really wish it would be cool, but it is not.
I mean zalatath appears acts like the big bad boss main characters: not you some npcs that don't like big zalatath so they do stuff in hopes to prevent zalatath from doing her goal and what not not much of a story when you listen to it sounds like some highschooler in drama club wrote the script in the span of 30 mintues
Does he even read anything ever? He critized FF14 for its story. I love WoW and the story is the best they've done in years.. maybe even so far. Its bite sized and well put together.
@@pyromanglad1136 One critique I have for WotLK is that they butchered Arthas as a character a bit. He went from a complicated villain to what was almost a Saturday cartoon villain. I want to clarify, I loved WotLK and I think Arthas is cool. BUT, I do feel the need to criticize Blizzard's ability to butcher older villains. The same happened with Starcraft 2.
In PvE it is a little bit different. You can stuck with way lower ilvl for a long time because all the rest is just not as good. But I think that this would mostly apply to trinkets though.
@sts3118 it's actually not even a game it's just a series of portals and cinematic clips so you are right it can't be rated like that. It should be rated in rotten tomatoes or not at all.
Isn’t this the same guy that boosted and said it sucked cause he didn’t know how to do anything? Or was that FF? Either way it’s tough taking his opinion on anything after that.
Review for me aint possible this early. Story is good so far, cut scenes been interesting. World it self is better than DF and the music is supreme I love it. Have to wait for the endgame.
How about waiting for it to fully release maybe? Oh well to each their own.
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"Hey guys, it's only the Alpha, don't judge it yet! it will be good later." "Hey guys, it's only the Beta, don't judge it yet! it will be good later." "Hey guys, it's only early-access, don't judge it yet! it will be good later." "Hey guys, it's only launch day, don't judge it yet! it will be good later." "Hey guys, it's only the first week, it will get patched, don't judge it yet! it will be good later." "Hey guys, it's only the first part of the expansion, we don't have the whole story, don't judge it yet! it will be good later." (after paying the sub that entire time, plus expansion price, PLUS early access price) ""Hey guys, new expansions announced! This is the one!"
Thats not at all what he said and you thinking thats what he said is hilarious. When quin made his decision, he hadnt done anything but quests one pvp match and one heroic. Thats not even 1/10th of the actual endgame thats too come. Yet he judged on the itemization and endgame content. Actually embarrassing you typed that out🤡🤭
@@draugr121 WoW runs on seasons, and they've never launched a season right out the gate. It’s just how it’s always been. And honestly, everything's gated to keep those power-hungry players busy-because they often rush through, complain there's nothing left, and then act surprised. What are you talking about?
A perfect WoW is stupidly easy to make. They don't want to make it and I will explain that in a second. TBC PVE progression, vanilla world with instance gold and mat farming removed/nerfed heavily to keep people in that world, probably WOTLK Class design because it was just challenging enough in pve and made the majority happy. Everyone knows this. It's always been painfully obvious. Why it will never happen. They want mentally ill incels that they use as slave labor who live with their mom selling Arena and Mythic token carries to mobile gamers who barely log in and take up no bandwidth. It's the highest profit margin for the least amount of work. All they care about or focus on is mythic raiding and 3 v 3 arena and they can make as much as if they were designing a real MMO not designed around two esports that failed a decade ago with the majority of the playerbase. It's never gonna change because you keep getting suckered into buying expansions and you quit a month in, which is what they want anyways if you aren't a token seller or buyer. It's the same reason they miser bandwidth and break large events and why 40 on 40 BG's don't even work. They don't want people playing a real MMO. WoW is no longer a MMO. It's a BAD single player game with tons of social engineering to get bank loan discounts and failed minigames that influencers desperately try to keep relevant.
I just looked at his longer "review" and I must admit even though I disagree with Quin on like 99% of his takes he's 100% right. th-cam.com/video/HRdrJKe-wcw/w-d-xo.html Also the comment section here is pretty weird. People going like: "The issue with WoW are people like Quin who constantly complain about WoW but just dont leave! Leave already!" ... Uh. He left after a few days of Dragonflight. And he uninstalled the game yesterday after not enjoying TWW. ... He pretty much did what you are complaining about? "How can you complain about the game when it's not fully out yet". I mean that's something which he criticizes. Time-gating. And imo rightfully so. I'd explain his other points aswell but tbh he does so himself in the video linked above.
Truly what some gamers like and others do not is a subject matter what can only be resolved with careful dialog. In other news. The first time I ever saw Xal’atath was a picture someone posted in Guild discord 1st person perspective of her glossy high definition bare feet, mildly sweaty of course; suspeended in the foreground with her face looming in the background. No. This expansion is not for me. You do you.
I mean let be real. WoW wont get much better at this point. It just the same thing over and over again with a few extra sparkles on top for 69.99 every two years. Does it mean it bad? Nah it not. I personaly think it aint worth it anymore (I play classic hc if I want to play wow at this point) but it not like the new stuff seem terrible. It just seem "mid".
WoW's itemization has been pretty bad for years now. You can't really theory craft, you don't have options really its just get the bis period and its been like this for the longest time. For a game that revolves around just getting the best gear (thats all there is to it when it comes to pve really.) you would think they would offer endless possibilities on items and choices on how you build your character, but in reality there's usually only one choice, or very very few choices...And this is not just WoW's issue its been the issue for ALOT of MMOs in the last decade.
i have friends that plays it and just based on what i've seen its the same game again with new zones, so if you like that then its fine, if you tired of the same thing then dont play it
Quinn is known for being a angry little man. Anything he says needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Plus this is purely his opinion, biased yes, but still an opinion.
as someone whos been playing since mop release tww is just another wow expac feels like they just added some class stuff and reskinned assets for us to do dailies/weeklies in nothing special at all feels like something to just please the simple minded masses and farm money modern wow sums up to farm dungeons all day so your number can go up in the most simple way possible and pvp hasnt been good since cata the numbers show
I mean while most of his opinion is wrong, hes right about itemization. In poe you build a character around stats. In wow you build a character with the highest item level then you priortize a secondary stat out of 4 that everyone shares. It limits builds. Basically theres only one build for every spec every season. Hes used to arpgs having hundreds of builds per class.
Exactly. If you look at it from a "how interesting is it to gear/build my character" it absolutely pales in comparison to something like PoE. That's fine, it's not supposed to rival the build complexity of an aRPG, but if that's your frame of reference for what makes an RPG in general interesting then everything else will be dogshit by comparison. Can't necessarily say I disagree with Quin on that. The strength of MMOs is in the social experience and group play, specifically with respect to PvE. Almost every other aspect of an MMO is done better by games which specifically focus on exploration, crafting, combat, PVP, story, etc.
Ya this is why I don’t live my standards by Content creators. Fun is subjective and reviewing a game in early access where we only have leveling and world PvP sounds kinda low IQ. Fun is subjective and the WoW community has a weird fetish with wanting to go to war with eachother over the dumbest things l. TWW so far is more fun than BFA/SL and DF which means for ME the games in the best state it’s been in the past 6 years and that’s without Raiding and M+. : I promise you it’s not hard to just uninstall and not mald over a game you dislike.
the game is ok except for one thing the knowledge professions points . i hate the grinding of these on alts. its a chore every week like it was in DF. its not fun just a waste of time . just give us 25 per week with a catch up system. profession system is overcomplicated and not fun
The story absolutely sucks compared to Dragonflight (Although that was ruined with an absolutely awful late 2nd and 3rd act so it's already a low bar, and about on par with BFA's writing). 2/4 zones suck. Delves are okay. They're kinda fun. We shouldn't have gotten earthen, we already have 2 dwarf races. The gearing is fine. The talent tree is... Fine. Really I'm just treating this expansion like a sandbox, I'll gear up here and there but only so I can do old content faster.
If the story is better than it has been for many years still not saying much. Considering it was horrible since Legion. This expansion took no risks, its just as safe and boring as Dragon Flight was.
As someone whos spent 20 yrs only doing PvE on a semi high lvl in wow (Best rank 56 on LK 25 HC, lowest prob around 500 in my casual years) i prefer stats > Ilvl. (To a degree) I think TBC had it the best in this regard, Ilvl was not a guaranteed upgrade in many cases (some was for sure). MOST of all WoW NEED to bring back more stats like either hit/exp or multistrike/Armor Pen or some other stat AND get rid of fking Versatility.... Versa is the worst stat ever made in wow because its just plain stupid... versa is almost always BiS for tanks and healers no matter spec, class... just plain stupid... Multistrike on certain trinkets/sets is cool like we had in MoP SoO with the trinkets. ArmorPen is kinda boring because its the same as versatility but some other stat that's situational or just diffrent would be nice.... Nowdays basicly as a player u dont even give a shit what item u get u just look at Ilvl and u use it... main stat isnt fking even important as it change depending on spec.... no items from Legion > TWW is boring because they dont matter aslong as they are higher Ilvl. (i bet my ass noone can name a single non trinket items from Legion/BFA/SL/DF/TWW) without looking up the name... thats just how irrelevant the items are...
A perfect WoW is stupidly easy to make. They don't want to make it and I will explain that in a second. TBC PVE progression, vanilla world with instance gold and mat farming removed/nerfed heavily to keep people in that world, probably WOTLK Class design because it was just challenging enough in pve and made the majority happy. Everyone knows this. It's always been painfully obvious. Why it will never happen. They want mentally ill incels that they use as slave labor who live with their mom selling Arena and Mythic token carries to mobile gamers who barely log in and take up no bandwidth. It's the highest profit margin for the least amount of work. All they care about or focus on is mythic raiding and 3 v 3 arena and they can make as much as if they were designing a real MMO not designed around two esports that failed a decade ago with the majority of the playerbase. It's never gonna change because you keep getting suckered into buying expansions and you quit a month in, which is what they want anyways if you aren't a token seller or buyer.
@@hackintosh3899 ive playws the game longer then 90% of players and I have experienced each content many times over on private servers, on retail back in the day, on classic and I can assure you vanilla and wotlk would the worst times ever if you removed nostalgia! Vanilla is a shit expansion , nothing about it is good. Worst class design of all time, no mechanics at all besides threat, slow ass pace. Wotlk is a improvement from previous expansions in terms of class design, raid designs, but it lacked a lot in terms of world design and professions that was established in previous expansions. Wotlk is an amazing expansion, but it’s not what people want nowadays! It’s too slow, nothing to do outside of endgame content (raid/pvp) balance was poor.. the main reason people think it’s the best ever is because it’s had a highest peak of players but that’s mainly because it has the most nostalgia for people from Warcraft 3 days! IMO if you set aside story, nostalgia and purely look at design of endgame content and content to do at Max lvl MoP is probably the king of expansions, that or Legion. They added a lot in cata that was carried over to MoP, then it was built on and improved, you have much better story lines, you have pet battles, challenge modes, a lot more of transmogs, way better systems than all previous expansions combined,! then on top of that endgame content the best ever made and classes were the best they have ever ever been balance wise. There are arguments for other expansions like legion for example that also has a lot going for it BUT legion also had a lot of bad things. You guys really need to learn to differentiate nostalgia from facts
@@Slashresto you have to learn that nostalgia isn't always a factor like you think it is. People play hc servers all the time, when fresh classic comes, people still play. People on private servers play vanilla all the time. If it was only nostalgia, it wouldn't be demanded by people so much.
@@RosvStudios lol no Vanilla Pservers died out 6 years ago and i (who has played all the big pservers) havent seen a single new fresh vanilla pserver since classic vanilla came out and they all shut down. Trust me vanilla is dead, its the biggest case of "you think you do but u dont" situation ever. I guarantee u it will be completely dead within 1 month of release if there isnt HUGE changes. The only reason ppl wanna play vanilla is so they can be prepared for TBC when it comes out and honestly all expansions prior to MoP needs a 3x DMG/HP buff on 9/10 bosses to even present a small challange to the average wow player.
I’m honestly so tired of content creators just shitting on the game. If you don’t like it then don’t play it. But don’t just come to the game and make content that is negative and then benefit from it. (Talking about Quinn. Not xar)
I agree, like LITERALLY every single content creator I’ve watched is always so negative about wow. My new streamer that I’m starting to watch is Thor PirateSoftware. He said he enjoys wow and likes playing it.
The story is good, likely best it's been, but itemization, classes, gameplay are pretty awful as always, i mean they have been for years, but still. When was the last time getting a gear peace, crafted or looted, was satisfying or give a sense of prestige? Probably close to 2 decades ago at best. Hero talents are boring, they could have been a great class fantasy but are just generic bonuses and offer nothing even remotely enticing except for the name itself. ''Diabolist'' warlock, ''Voidweaver'' priest, etc, cool concepts, but add nothing of substance. It's a story expansion to get immersed into, but beyond that from a gameplay perspective there is just nothing really. Once again, unless you raid or grind mythic+, you'll quit pretty soon, and the cycle of flawed game design will continue. But ye, again, the story is good.
Aww, baby quin is really trying to be the controversial streamer, he's just a click farmer these days. It's kinda sad, dude is an overgrown manbaby. He did the same with FFXIV.
You guys just getting old honestly nothing wrong with the game i only see improvements each new expansion. If you dont like it just dont play it. Some people will like it some people wont. If its not your game then dont play it nobody is forcing you to play it dude.
PvP is dogshit. The pacing is so slow unless your class is Op af. It’s all about micromanaging multipliers. It’s not about counterplay it’s just about who is able to pull off their rotation better.
Im not a fan of the story. But I do like simpler stories like deadmines, gnomeragon, bfd, etc. I dont like how every single person is the most important being ever created and only one to stop x,y,z new threat
Hes just trying to get views for shitting on the game. The story is great and im enjoying the game. This the same dude who will shit on it then keep playing it until the next expansion. Im all for criticism but hes just bashing everything for no reason.
The zones and alt lvling is amazing, you are not forced to do pvp or pve to get end content gear. Can just do Delvs to get good gear as well.. so its simple letting ppl that also dont like doing pvp and pve enjoy the game. There is good system of talents now. Hero talents are great. Farming is not as time consuming (sorry bad grammar and spelling) and the lore and story quest is following actually stories and it isnt bad writen this time.. and I got alot more to write. And now heroic came last night so heroic dungeon is open.. The legit only bad part is for ppl that didnt get or bought early access of tww.. cuz they will fall back abit.. Otherwise wow is back and even bellgar or whatever that content guys name is.. he said as well that wow feels way better and is starting to come back.. he was one of them who was not a fan of things. But he changed his mind now And this is just early access talk I have said.. Season one hasnt even started. So you guys has 0 things to actually hate on right now.. Just stop talking shit about a expansion you havent even played.. couldnt even find 6 reasons and I said more then 6 reason what is good with the game right now.. the raid and m+ and pvp I cant talk about yet. But will probably be just as good
Funniest shit to me has always been how people will criticize a game, negatively, but still continue to play it. Like if its so bad or mid, why you still here lil bro. Bashing games has become a fad.
So you agree with him that class design is sh@^ across the board? Good. Then the expansion is bad from a gameplay point of a view, the pvp sucks, the story is laughable and worse than Disney+. Imagine paying for a dying product due to influencer hype.
@@hackintosh3899 Some classes had great reworks and hero talents. You got Warlocks summoning demon lords, mages summoning phoenixes, DK summoning 4 horsemen. Druids get the same treants we've been using since TBC, the hero talents are pretty much just passives and procs. Our reworks are a joke. Heard the same for Rogues.
He gives no context. Story sucks? compared to what? to which previous xpac or other game? itemization sucks? its literally the best its been ever. I cant speak to pvp, but he needs to lay out more detail an context for his answer other wise, seeing as i have no idea who he is to begin with. His 4/10 means nothing to me. And then on top of that the fucking game didn't even launch until today.
Itemization does suck in regard to arpgs. But theyll never have a game where each class has unique stats to build with many builds. Itll allways be , green arrow number go up
@@Odyssey636 Are you saying Arpgs? or An rpg? Frankly I prefer it when multiple specs use the same stats, so that I can just stack those and have the freedom to bounce back and forth. Instead of having to build multiple sets of gear for each spec. The latter is more expensive and time consuming.
The amount of habitual haters on World of Warcraft sucks for the community at large. TWW is good, I enjoy it and there’s a lot to be praised about TWW so far… keeping in mind the full experience isn’t even available. The most valid criticism we should all be talking about is how Blizzard charged a fuck ton of money for a bare bones early access.
last good expansion for me was BfA but it had no pvp vendors, people hype up shadowlands and dragonflight (almost forget the name). game has been on the decline since cata and BfA was a redemption then back to garbage
Bfa was perhaps the single worst expac and that includes WOD. Absolutely boring, no soul, pve and pvp were both inexcusably bad. Shocked they didn't shut down wow after that one tbh
Quinn's most loyal and longtime viewers spend most of their time discussing how bad Quinn takes are btw, speaking from experience
This is not a bad take
the story is the same rehashed thing, its exhausting and gotta agree with quin on this one. The game is basically log on do m+ log off wait for vault.
agree
snooze game
and yet you are here watching and consuming wow content and still talking about it....go touch grass LOl
for you
Some serious "Lanky Kong listens to DK Rap for the first time" vibes
Quin has a track record of bashing games for their strong points. Wouldn't trust his judgement as far as I can throw a Kul Tiran
He also didn't go into any detail at all. Which is totally fine, it's his opinion, his take, and that's completely fine. But I can't say that a review with no substance is really worth listening to.
he literally rages on every game clip i see of him
@@borga6566 I mean it was clipped live obviously there is no in depth explanation
Watch his whole video he has some very valid points
average wow defender
i don't play WOW but i'm convinced it is part of some large scale social experiment. the discussion around this game are wildly interesting and I think mirror some discussions relevant to the real world.
Art imitates life. cynicism runs deep in wow
What's really intresting is that a large ammount of the people who watch hate content of the game havent even played it in years. Like I'll go on videos and people are like I stopped playing in cata game sucks, cata being 13 years ago. I can't think of another game like that. Most won't even have played dragonflight and are like it's awful. If i had to guess the long term time commitment people have put in the game and then for it to disappoint them made them have long grudges. Or there just tired of mmo formula, which fair.
Story? All I know is max level, then queue BGs/arena.
Yo ma man, same here.
Yea WTF is a story? WTF is even that, this is WOW , if you pay attention to the story/lore you're a fucking lunatic. Blizzard not only jumped the shark, they fucking launched off the shark into space back when we went to fucking Pandaria and it's only gotten crazier ever since.
Grats on ruining your life pursuing an esport that died over a decade ago where "pros" can only afford to move out of their mom's house if they sell boosts which break the TOS. That includes the best players in the world like Whaaaz. The only exception are the influencer and shills chosen to promote the game/be casters and hype you on a game that is no longer a MMO and that's designed around mythic and arena, both of which suck.
I agree on most points but whos saying hes pursuing a pro career?Cant he enjoy it casually untill 1800 or atleast hit 2400 in shuffle?Its not the best pvp game out there but it has its fans/uniqueness to it so if he doesnt mind it not being league/valorant/dota/cs/fortnite style of popularity he can chill playing it.You went on him like he said "yes im gonna pursue career in wow pvp''.Its subjective theres people that enjoy the game.While ill say im 50/50 recently but i played abit till 2400 in shuffles and had some fun.Objectively if you only pvp you can call it bad compared to other titles but as you know the focus on PvP in that game has been put down long ago(if there wss any back in bc/wotlk).
@@hackintosh3899 thats rich bro. u know u can take part in high level gameplay without sacrificing your whole life? never heard of a hobby b4? no ones trying to be an esport pro in wow dawg lol. its the opposite of lucrative and all the people with brains realize this. personally, I just play cause its fun doing challenging content with my friends.
The story DOES suck. Compared to the solid foundation it was borne from. Most major plot characters have already been destroyed, killed or warped beyond recognition. And this expansion adds ... nothing, really besides another environment.
He means he spent his gold on enchanting greens live on stream like a lunatic. Plus plays a pally
Cope
cope
Wow's story sucks dick BECAUSE its been over for years. They keep adding onto it, however I feel like the culmination of the story was the death of the Lich King, which is where the true story of wow ended. Cataclysm sundered the world and wrecked a lot of things, such as the timeline of things, the story is not even linear from this point forward. Every expansion since has introduced some things that some people like and others that others like, but I cant definitively say the game has improved at all since WotLK. This game had a golden era, and it is over. Even the reliving of the golden era is over, as Cata Classic is heading into Firelands. Will they do MoP classic? Absolutely, but the STORY is long done. 4/10 is fair imo
The lore has always been much deeper than just the lich king. The titans, the old God's, the void lords, the prison world, ordering, and Azeroth have always been
This post pretty much confirms my opinion on this battle between current retail wow players and the ones where they played till WOTLK/cata. quit and have been bitching about the game ever since. I call it ex-gf syndrome ^^ I can bet you 10$ I can ask 5 lore related question and you would get them probably all wrong. You need to move on my guy and go play some other game and torment others lol
A story is only over when it has stopped being told.
Im enjoying TWW but yeah I felt like the end of the story was Legion, not wotlk. The burning legion were built up as the ultimate baddies for 10 years before we got the expac to finally fight them. Afterwards it felt like the story ended there. Bfa, shadowlands, df, tww just feels like side quests after finishing the main story
@@daltonnelson94 Except it hasn't. The old Gods were a retcon in Wrath with Yogg Saron. Cthun was at the time inspired by the LOTR movies back in classic. Giant eye, ancient evil, corrupting stuff. Nothing more.
Void Lords are a retcon that came in Legion when Blizzard realized: what after the Burning Legion is defeated? It's completely new lore.
I've stopped following WoW lore and buying books in bfa due to how bad it became, but what is the prison world? Never heared of that. The Shadowlands? Guess that is another addition. All of these things were bloated on top if it and this makes for an incohesive mess.
It's not even really an unpopular take that wow lore turned into a mess. I don't really like to pin point a certain date, as many expansions managed to still tell compelling story, it's just the structure and way the lore was built. It just opens up loopholes and conflicting information over time. That's the main issue. I doubt any serious wow lore fan bought the idea that the Jailer has been there since WC3. Both Platinum WoW or Nobble, who are to this day passionate about the game completely shat on Shadowlands lore to give an example.
lil bro just gave the expansion 4/10 after playing 2 days of early access where you can only level and worldpvp
cope if you think this game is going to be good lol
@EB-bl6cc i kinda feel bad for u, your watching a wow streamers vid about wow content 😂
"Hey guys, it's only the Alpha, don't judge it yet! it will be good later."
"Hey guys, it's only the Beta, don't judge it yet! it will be good later."
"Hey guys, it's only early-access, don't judge it yet! it will be good later."
"Hey guys, it's only launch day, don't judge it yet! it will be good later."
"Hey guys, it's only the first week, it will get patched, don't judge it yet! it will be good later."
"Hey guys, it's only the first part of the expansion, we don't have the whole story, don't judge it yet! it will be good later."
(after paying the sub that entire time, plus expansion price, PLUS early access price)
""Hey guys, new expansions announced! This is the one!"
Man... shut the fuck up. So tired of people like you.
@@EB-bl6cc I mean, in order for something to be good to you there needs to be a willingness to actually try it. WoW's always been a slow-burn game and there's never been a situation where a trial edition or early access has been a great way to experience the game.
I don't think it's valid to give the game a review when we don't even have access to the endgame. I do, however, think he is valid for reviewing the questing experience because that will receive very little changes if any.
@borga6566 he didnt review the quest experience. He said "cope if u think the games good"
I take anything Quin says with a grain of salt.
But you trust the "opinion" of an influencer who only profits off WoW, who also is employed as a caster in events by WoW? AHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH.
@@hackintosh3899 Listen to the voices in your head a little less often. You're fighting ghosts, my dude. You extrapolated a hell of a lot out of a small sentence.
Imagine how stagnant your brain must be to actually enjoy playing retail since legion
The new hero talents doesn't add any flavor or customization to the spec since we are forced to play only 1 tree that is drastically stronger than the other in many cases. This is true expecially for hybrid class that are forced on one single tree. R sham is an expection since has 2 very good trees but.. what about monk? Mw uses Celestial Conduit, Bm monk uses master of Harmony and WW uses Shado Pan, outside of this they don't work.
I think they could just add more talents inside the class/spec tree and let us choose more talents, maybe implementing some old tier set. In general I think that DF talent trees were great and a game change while those here from tww are a little bit sad.
Its the worst expansion for me. Only good thing is Xal'atath but thats a tiny part.
Boring underground areas and bunch of spiders and dwarves. Wow just what people want.
Gamer plays wow like he played a decade ago, dont interac with the new stuff and is ready to shit on the game when he can. Obviously it will suck for those guys, i mean if u already go to something expecting it to suck, it'll suck xd. Doesnt make sense in my head to listen to someone who dosent know wtf he is talking about, and yet here we're. I like xaryu because he has a open mindset to experience in games, we should be like that. TL DR: if you play retail wow expecting it to be what u played years ago, it'll not be the same, or u try the game as it is now and give it a shot, or you quit and play something else, doesnt have to be a big deal at all
its funny, non gamers should quit and go play something else but they have stocks and influence the direction of games they don't place much input into
I agree with Quinn I got bored with it really fast. I want it to be good but it's just really isn't. It's been bad since sunwell when blizz removed the need for cc in dungeons and actually having to know how to play your class.
Quinn has a different audience.
Yeah people with an IQ over room temp in an igloo who realize that influencers like Xaryu directly tied to a product as far as monetization have no real opinions.
@@hackintosh3899holy hell this is an “UM ACKSHUALLY you’re just too dumb to get his nuanced take where he says that something ‘sucks dick’ three times as his only form of critique” ass comment
It doesnt suck its just unremarkable.
Same as DF to me. If you like the Wow endgame thats been there for years now, youll probably like it.
If your looking for something different, ya. Your not finding it.
WoWs been an incredibly stale since Legion. Man Legion was special. Willing to try so much.
He says the story sucks but does he even read any of the dialogue or anything? Or does quinn just skip through it while paying attentioon to his chat instead
Man literally WoW is so soft right now. Look at dwarves. Such pussies at the moment. Actually, not dwarves. Every character. Each one of them talking about their feelings, regrets, like some cry baby. Sure, its not bad for the story. But fuck, its almost everywhere i look. Then you have Alleria. Just another edgy, angry elf fueled by vengeance. I really wish it would be cool, but it is not.
Its Quinn. His opinions are mostly to entertain his chat. Nothing more
I mean zalatath appears acts like the big bad boss
main characters: not you some npcs that don't like big zalatath so they do stuff in hopes to prevent zalatath from doing her goal and what not
not much of a story
when you listen to it sounds like some highschooler in drama club wrote the script in the span of 30 mintues
@@crowmaster9652 xalatath
@@crowmaster9652 yes that's probably what Quinn said on stream after spending 30 seconds and then dismissing the story out of hand
In what way is the story good??.??? We got like 0 Horde in it so if your a Horde player this exp pack have nothing to offer you.
that haterade must be so so sweet
The pvp gearing is the best it has ever been and same with the balance in classes as well
YO my chat message was the intro sentence. lets go
Does he even read anything ever? He critized FF14 for its story. I love WoW and the story is the best they've done in years.. maybe even so far. Its bite sized and well put together.
Best story is Lich king by far, definitely not this milked thing. (Just in terms of story, I'm not a wotlk private server fanboy)
@@pyromanglad1136i mean no one was ever expecting it to be better than wotlk lol
@@pyromanglad1136 One critique I have for WotLK is that they butchered Arthas as a character a bit. He went from a complicated villain to what was almost a Saturday cartoon villain. I want to clarify, I loved WotLK and I think Arthas is cool. BUT, I do feel the need to criticize Blizzard's ability to butcher older villains. The same happened with Starcraft 2.
I’d give it a 3/10 if isn’t fun
In PvE it is a little bit different. You can stuck with way lower ilvl for a long time because all the rest is just not as good. But I think that this would mostly apply to trinkets though.
4/10 is being nice it's more like 1/10
1/10 is being nice too. Even rating it is going to far
@sts3118 it's actually not even a game it's just a series of portals and cinematic clips so you are right it can't be rated like that. It should be rated in rotten tomatoes or not at all.
Antonetta Springs
I cant speak from experience as i wont be giving blizz a chance
Isn’t this the same guy that boosted and said it sucked cause he didn’t know how to do anything? Or was that FF? Either way it’s tough taking his opinion on anything after that.
I didn't like Dragonflight, so I didn't play Dragonflight.
I like The War Within, so I am playing the War Within.
Life CAN be very simple.
I don't know how you could enjoy the new story unless ur a hardcore marvel slop enjoyer
Review for me aint possible this early. Story is good so far, cut scenes been interesting. World it self is better than DF and the music is supreme I love it. Have to wait for the endgame.
How about waiting for it to fully release maybe? Oh well to each their own.
"Hey guys, it's only the Alpha, don't judge it yet! it will be good later."
"Hey guys, it's only the Beta, don't judge it yet! it will be good later."
"Hey guys, it's only early-access, don't judge it yet! it will be good later."
"Hey guys, it's only launch day, don't judge it yet! it will be good later."
"Hey guys, it's only the first week, it will get patched, don't judge it yet! it will be good later."
"Hey guys, it's only the first part of the expansion, we don't have the whole story, don't judge it yet! it will be good later."
(after paying the sub that entire time, plus expansion price, PLUS early access price)
""Hey guys, new expansions announced! This is the one!"
Thats not at all what he said and you thinking thats what he said is hilarious. When quin made his decision, he hadnt done anything but quests one pvp match and one heroic. Thats not even 1/10th of the actual endgame thats too come. Yet he judged on the itemization and endgame content.
Actually embarrassing you typed that out🤡🤭
We can't do M+, we can't play Rated PvP and we cannot even complete the main quest. What are you talking about?
@@draugr121 WoW runs on seasons, and they've never launched a season right out the gate. It’s just how it’s always been. And honestly, everything's gated to keep those power-hungry players busy-because they often rush through, complain there's nothing left, and then act surprised. What are you talking about?
A perfect WoW is stupidly easy to make. They don't want to make it and I will explain that in a second. TBC PVE progression, vanilla world with instance gold and mat farming removed/nerfed heavily to keep people in that world, probably WOTLK Class design because it was just challenging enough in pve and made the majority happy. Everyone knows this. It's always been painfully obvious. Why it will never happen. They want mentally ill incels that they use as slave labor who live with their mom selling Arena and Mythic token carries to mobile gamers who barely log in and take up no bandwidth. It's the highest profit margin for the least amount of work. All they care about or focus on is mythic raiding and 3 v 3 arena and they can make as much as if they were designing a real MMO not designed around two esports that failed a decade ago with the majority of the playerbase. It's never gonna change because you keep getting suckered into buying expansions and you quit a month in, which is what they want anyways if you aren't a token seller or buyer. It's the same reason they miser bandwidth and break large events and why 40 on 40 BG's don't even work. They don't want people playing a real MMO. WoW is no longer a MMO. It's a BAD single player game with tons of social engineering to get bank loan discounts and failed minigames that influencers desperately try to keep relevant.
This is actually a pretty decent take.
I mean if you only play PVP in a game that hasn't cared about PVP for a decade. That is 1000000000000% a you problem especially if you don't like it
Big true
Story is good i enjoy it quin is lvl 73 there doub he even played the story
quinn is a 4/10 gamer
Pin this 📌
Cope.
you give him too much credit still...
@@blooddrunk1432holy hate watcher 😂 youve commented this like 100x
@@Odyssey636 i bet you did pre order like a good boi 🤡
I just looked at his longer "review" and I must admit even though I disagree with Quin on like 99% of his takes he's 100% right.
th-cam.com/video/HRdrJKe-wcw/w-d-xo.html
Also the comment section here is pretty weird.
People going like: "The issue with WoW are people like Quin who constantly complain about WoW but just dont leave! Leave already!" ... Uh. He left after a few days of Dragonflight. And he uninstalled the game yesterday after not enjoying TWW. ... He pretty much did what you are complaining about?
"How can you complain about the game when it's not fully out yet". I mean that's something which he criticizes. Time-gating. And imo rightfully so.
I'd explain his other points aswell but tbh he does so himself in the video linked above.
idgaf wow is it's in best state since years. and im playing it since tbc, i had so much fun in dragonflight. never had it ever since pandaria
Paladin enjoyer KEKW
Truly what some gamers like and others do not is a subject matter what can only be resolved with careful dialog. In other news. The first time I ever saw Xal’atath was a picture someone posted in Guild discord 1st person perspective of her glossy high definition bare feet, mildly sweaty of course; suspeended in the foreground with her face looming in the background. No. This expansion is not for me. You do you.
Quin is used to PoE seasons where the content actually is usually good, cant blame him for crapping on TWW
Ok lil bro 👍
I mean let be real. WoW wont get much better at this point. It just the same thing over and over again with a few extra sparkles on top for 69.99 every two years. Does it mean it bad? Nah it not. I personaly think it aint worth it anymore (I play classic hc if I want to play wow at this point) but it not like the new stuff seem terrible. It just seem "mid".
Even if he liked it he would never admit it. His viewers hate wow lo
WoW's itemization has been pretty bad for years now. You can't really theory craft, you don't have options really its just get the bis period and its been like this for the longest time. For a game that revolves around just getting the best gear (thats all there is to it when it comes to pve really.) you would think they would offer endless possibilities on items and choices on how you build your character, but in reality there's usually only one choice, or very very few choices...And this is not just WoW's issue its been the issue for ALOT of MMOs in the last decade.
i have friends that plays it and just based on what i've seen its the same game again with new zones, so if you like that then its fine, if you tired of the same thing then dont play it
Its just more of the same 4/10 seems about right
Quinn is known for being a angry little man. Anything he says needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Plus this is purely his opinion, biased yes, but still an opinion.
as someone whos been playing since mop release tww is just another wow expac feels like they just added some class stuff and reskinned assets for us to do dailies/weeklies in nothing special at all feels like something to just please the simple minded masses and farm money modern wow sums up to farm dungeons all day so your number can go up in the most simple way possible and pvp hasnt been good since cata the numbers show
Quinn is 100% right
Quin has to say every game is trash except PoE or his cringe audience will lose their shit.
I mean while most of his opinion is wrong, hes right about itemization. In poe you build a character around stats. In wow you build a character with the highest item level then you priortize a secondary stat out of 4 that everyone shares. It limits builds. Basically theres only one build for every spec every season. Hes used to arpgs having hundreds of builds per class.
Exactly. If you look at it from a "how interesting is it to gear/build my character" it absolutely pales in comparison to something like PoE. That's fine, it's not supposed to rival the build complexity of an aRPG, but if that's your frame of reference for what makes an RPG in general interesting then everything else will be dogshit by comparison. Can't necessarily say I disagree with Quin on that. The strength of MMOs is in the social experience and group play, specifically with respect to PvE. Almost every other aspect of an MMO is done better by games which specifically focus on exploration, crafting, combat, PVP, story, etc.
POE is a dog shit game. It's playable for like a week
Ya this is why I don’t live my standards by Content creators. Fun is subjective and reviewing a game in early access where we only have leveling and world PvP sounds kinda low IQ. Fun is subjective and the WoW community has a weird fetish with wanting to go to war with eachother over the dumbest things l. TWW so far is more fun than BFA/SL and DF which means for ME the games in the best state it’s been in the past 6 years and that’s without Raiding and M+.
: I promise you it’s not hard to just uninstall and not mald over a game you dislike.
the game is ok except for one thing the knowledge professions points .
i hate the grinding of these on alts.
its a chore every week like it was in DF.
its not fun just a waste of time .
just give us 25 per week with a catch up system.
profession system is overcomplicated and not fun
The story absolutely sucks compared to Dragonflight (Although that was ruined with an absolutely awful late 2nd and 3rd act so it's already a low bar, and about on par with BFA's writing). 2/4 zones suck. Delves are okay. They're kinda fun. We shouldn't have gotten earthen, we already have 2 dwarf races. The gearing is fine. The talent tree is... Fine. Really I'm just treating this expansion like a sandbox, I'll gear up here and there but only so I can do old content faster.
retail is dog shiiiiii -2/10. it isnt even wow anymore.
If the story is better than it has been for many years still not saying much. Considering it was horrible since Legion. This expansion took no risks, its just as safe and boring as Dragon Flight was.
im pretty sure he think its too woke. 5 women nah , not good
W*men
Xaryu glazing wow because it directly affects his income. Standard.
Never heard of him but I'd (generously) rate his opinion a 4/10 ...
Xaryu getting really defensive these days.
4/10 on a very positive day
that talent tree picture of avenging wrath is straight out of hearthstone lol
come on blizz, you can do better
As someone whos spent 20 yrs only doing PvE on a semi high lvl in wow (Best rank 56 on LK 25 HC, lowest prob around 500 in my casual years) i prefer stats > Ilvl. (To a degree)
I think TBC had it the best in this regard, Ilvl was not a guaranteed upgrade in many cases (some was for sure).
MOST of all WoW NEED to bring back more stats like either hit/exp or multistrike/Armor Pen or some other stat AND get rid of fking Versatility.... Versa is the worst stat ever made in wow because its just plain stupid... versa is almost always BiS for tanks and healers no matter spec, class... just plain stupid...
Multistrike on certain trinkets/sets is cool like we had in MoP SoO with the trinkets. ArmorPen is kinda boring because its the same as versatility but some other stat that's situational or just diffrent would be nice....
Nowdays basicly as a player u dont even give a shit what item u get u just look at Ilvl and u use it... main stat isnt fking even important as it change depending on spec.... no items from Legion > TWW is boring because they dont matter aslong as they are higher Ilvl. (i bet my ass noone can name a single non trinket items from Legion/BFA/SL/DF/TWW) without looking up the name... thats just how irrelevant the items are...
A perfect WoW is stupidly easy to make. They don't want to make it and I will explain that in a second. TBC PVE progression, vanilla world with instance gold and mat farming removed/nerfed heavily to keep people in that world, probably WOTLK Class design because it was just challenging enough in pve and made the majority happy. Everyone knows this. It's always been painfully obvious. Why it will never happen. They want mentally ill incels that they use as slave labor who live with their mom selling Arena and Mythic token carries to mobile gamers who barely log in and take up no bandwidth. It's the highest profit margin for the least amount of work. All they care about or focus on is mythic raiding and 3 v 3 arena and they can make as much as if they were designing a real MMO not designed around two esports that failed a decade ago with the majority of the playerbase. It's never gonna change because you keep getting suckered into buying expansions and you quit a month in, which is what they want anyways if you aren't a token seller or buyer.
@@hackintosh3899 ive playws the game longer then 90% of players and I have experienced each content many times over on private servers, on retail back in the day, on classic and I can assure you vanilla and wotlk would the worst times ever if you removed nostalgia!
Vanilla is a shit expansion , nothing about it is good. Worst class design of all time, no mechanics at all besides threat, slow ass pace.
Wotlk is a improvement from previous expansions in terms of class design, raid designs, but it lacked a lot in terms of world design and professions that was established in previous expansions. Wotlk is an amazing expansion, but it’s not what people want nowadays! It’s too slow, nothing to do outside of endgame content (raid/pvp) balance was poor.. the main reason people think it’s the best ever is because it’s had a highest peak of players but that’s mainly because it has the most nostalgia for people from Warcraft 3 days!
IMO if you set aside story, nostalgia and purely look at design of endgame content and content to do at Max lvl MoP is probably the king of expansions, that or Legion.
They added a lot in cata that was carried over to MoP, then it was built on and improved, you have much better story lines, you have pet battles, challenge modes, a lot more of transmogs, way better systems than all previous expansions combined,! then on top of that endgame content the best ever made and classes were the best they have ever ever been balance wise.
There are arguments for other expansions like legion for example that also has a lot going for it BUT legion also had a lot of bad things.
You guys really need to learn to differentiate nostalgia from facts
@@Slashresto you have to learn that nostalgia isn't always a factor like you think it is. People play hc servers all the time, when fresh classic comes, people still play. People on private servers play vanilla all the time. If it was only nostalgia, it wouldn't be demanded by people so much.
@@RosvStudios lol no Vanilla Pservers died out 6 years ago and i (who has played all the big pservers) havent seen a single new fresh vanilla pserver since classic vanilla came out and they all shut down.
Trust me vanilla is dead, its the biggest case of "you think you do but u dont" situation ever.
I guarantee u it will be completely dead within 1 month of release if there isnt HUGE changes.
The only reason ppl wanna play vanilla is so they can be prepared for TBC when it comes out and honestly all expansions prior to MoP needs a 3x DMG/HP buff on 9/10 bosses to even present a small challange to the average wow player.
@@Slashresto that's why turtle wow is one of the biggest p servers. lol
6/10
Unironically, Shadowlands felt 10x more like wow than TWW so far. What a letdown, even Metzen couldn't do anything.
lmao ngl..
I’m honestly so tired of content creators just shitting on the game. If you don’t like it then don’t play it. But don’t just come to the game and make content that is negative and then benefit from it. (Talking about Quinn. Not xar)
That’s how at least half of these content creators made their channels. Preach, Bellular, etc. I can’t stand most of them.
I agree, like LITERALLY every single content creator I’ve watched is always so negative about wow.
My new streamer that I’m starting to watch is Thor PirateSoftware. He said he enjoys wow and likes playing it.
And how are they supposed to know they don't like it if they don't play it?
Cant stand bellular, hes insufferable @endocry
The exact same thing can be said about you. Don’t watch the content.
Story is okay. Until it gets into the touchy feelies. I don’t play wow to get into my feelings. I play wow because badass orcs and demons and RAHHHH!
The story is good, likely best it's been, but itemization, classes, gameplay are pretty awful as always, i mean they have been for years, but still. When was the last time getting a gear peace, crafted or looted, was satisfying or give a sense of prestige? Probably close to 2 decades ago at best. Hero talents are boring, they could have been a great class fantasy but are just generic bonuses and offer nothing even remotely enticing except for the name itself. ''Diabolist'' warlock, ''Voidweaver'' priest, etc, cool concepts, but add nothing of substance.
It's a story expansion to get immersed into, but beyond that from a gameplay perspective there is just nothing really. Once again, unless you raid or grind mythic+, you'll quit pretty soon, and the cycle of flawed game design will continue. But ye, again, the story is good.
I’m confused as to why his opinion matters.
I'm sure lots of people get confused as to why YOUR opinion matters, too.
Are we really caring what Quinn says? His prob the streamer with the most copium
Quin doesn’t like games he is not good at
Aww, baby quin is really trying to be the controversial streamer, he's just a click farmer these days. It's kinda sad, dude is an overgrown manbaby. He did the same with FFXIV.
You guys just getting old honestly nothing wrong with the game i only see improvements each new expansion. If you dont like it just dont play it. Some people will like it some people wont. If its not your game then dont play it nobody is forcing you to play it dude.
PvP is dogshit. The pacing is so slow unless your class is Op af. It’s all about micromanaging multipliers. It’s not about counterplay it’s just about who is able to pull off their rotation better.
4/10 fair.
Im not a fan of the story. But I do like simpler stories like deadmines, gnomeragon, bfd, etc. I dont like how every single person is the most important being ever created and only one to stop x,y,z new threat
Quinn is cooked washed up classic player Tww been really good so far
Gawk gawk
Sure my guy, go back to League and put 200 more games in bronze elo
Hes just trying to get views for shitting on the game. The story is great and im enjoying the game. This the same dude who will shit on it then keep playing it until the next expansion. Im all for criticism but hes just bashing everything for no reason.
This is not that dude😂 this is the dude who quits everything day 2 unless its a childrens survival game or poe
Quin can only talk about PoE...his clueless about other games and his a boring streamer in general.
😂who is quin
the story sucks. just like dragonflight. whole expansion feels like a dragon flight patch. weak expansion. 0!!!!!!!! hype.
He's not wrong about all of it, the story is ass, but its a better expansion than the last one
What makes the story ass..? Say 6 part that makes it bad.. 😂
What? Do you even read the quest text? Or watch cinematics? You must be a shadowlands enjoyer
@@Clarketh Say 6 things about it that make it good...
The zones and alt lvling is amazing, you are not forced to do pvp or pve to get end content gear. Can just do Delvs to get good gear as well.. so its simple letting ppl that also dont like doing pvp and pve enjoy the game. There is good system of talents now. Hero talents are great. Farming is not as time consuming (sorry bad grammar and spelling) and the lore and story quest is following actually stories and it isnt bad writen this time.. and I got alot more to write. And now heroic came last night so heroic dungeon is open..
The legit only bad part is for ppl that didnt get or bought early access of tww.. cuz they will fall back abit..
Otherwise wow is back and even bellgar or whatever that content guys name is.. he said as well that wow feels way better and is starting to come back.. he was one of them who was not a fan of things. But he changed his mind now
And this is just early access talk I have said.. Season one hasnt even started. So you guys has 0 things to actually hate on right now..
Just stop talking shit about a expansion you havent even played.. couldnt even find 6 reasons and I said more then 6 reason what is good with the game right now.. the raid and m+ and pvp I cant talk about yet. But will probably be just as good
There.. now you know 😂
Funniest shit to me has always been how people will criticize a game, negatively, but still continue to play it. Like if its so bad or mid, why you still here lil bro. Bashing games has become a fad.
addiction, it used to be good, it's part of their life. Like a fat wife.
Uhhh...you have to play it to know it's bad? What a weird comment.
@@jamesg9468 What I'm saying is people will bash the game and continue to play it. What a weird take.
@@dany91307 because if they stop playing it they can't explain why its bad when future patches come out
@jamesg9468 in todays world you do not need to play it too know that😂😂
I dont know about this expansion, i dont have any opinion on it, but one thing i know for sure.
Quin dont know shit and no one should listen to him
The man thinks poe is good. His opinion is obviously invalid
Plays a Paly complains about talents, should try Moonkin or Rogue.
So you agree with him that class design is sh@^ across the board? Good. Then the expansion is bad from a gameplay point of a view, the pvp sucks, the story is laughable and worse than Disney+. Imagine paying for a dying product due to influencer hype.
@@hackintosh3899 Some classes had great reworks and hero talents. You got Warlocks summoning demon lords, mages summoning phoenixes, DK summoning 4 horsemen. Druids get the same treants we've been using since TBC, the hero talents are pretty much just passives and procs. Our reworks are a joke. Heard the same for Rogues.
This man is obviously paid by blizzard
I mean yeah the story does incredibly suck. Only the modern audiences crowd could find this agenda driven slop compelling and pretend its interesting.
Xar loves his Job and thats why he is simping always so hard with wow to keep as much players as he can. I mean i would do that too.. all good.
He gives no context. Story sucks? compared to what? to which previous xpac or other game? itemization sucks? its literally the best its been ever. I cant speak to pvp, but he needs to lay out more detail an context for his answer other wise, seeing as i have no idea who he is to begin with. His 4/10 means nothing to me.
And then on top of that the fucking game didn't even launch until today.
Itemization does suck in regard to arpgs. But theyll never have a game where each class has unique stats to build with many builds. Itll allways be , green arrow number go up
Too much cope here 😂
@@Odyssey636 Are you saying Arpgs? or An rpg? Frankly I prefer it when multiple specs use the same stats, so that I can just stack those and have the freedom to bounce back and forth. Instead of having to build multiple sets of gear for each spec.
The latter is more expensive and time consuming.
@@clerniaz131 How so?
The amount of habitual haters on World of Warcraft sucks for the community at large. TWW is good, I enjoy it and there’s a lot to be praised about TWW so far… keeping in mind the full experience isn’t even available. The most valid criticism we should all be talking about is how Blizzard charged a fuck ton of money for a bare bones early access.
last good expansion for me was BfA but it had no pvp vendors, people hype up shadowlands and dragonflight (almost forget the name). game has been on the decline since cata and BfA was a redemption then back to garbage
Bfa was perhaps the single worst expac and that includes WOD. Absolutely boring, no soul, pve and pvp were both inexcusably bad. Shocked they didn't shut down wow after that one tbh
@@Zenith292 jeah. BFA was the worst
The WokeWithin
two twitch leeches in one video nice
I wouldn't worry about what Quinn has to say about WoW. He's inconsequential.
and what does that say about you? lol
@@antvn222 Me? Obviously I don't matter. I'm not a streamer. Lmao!