Regardless if you are on a security team or not, if you carry a CCW you should be practicing this drill. Don't just carry without doing drills. Thanks Ken for this valuable video.
That first shot here by Ken was one of the most beautiful displays of fluid execution I've ever seen. Superb video, everyone carrying should have this attitude of vigilance. Cannot stress enough how basic and integral these lessons are to carrying. A very affirming video for me personally on my first day of carrying: being strong in sheepdog mentality and unshakable in extreme situations it is the practical application of the protective tooling (marksmanship) that needs refining as a newb. Wilson Combat has been and is continuing to be a bedrock foundation grounding intelligent decisions and positive upward progress. STRIKE TRUE BARBARIC ERIC
Thanks Ken practice is the key . Our security team at church made up of good people , but need to practice there skills . Two recent intrusions showed lack of skills and I’m working on that with our group . K I’m showing this video to our group.
My first time here. Really good stuff to help train my church security guys. I retired after 32 years policing and shot competitive pistol competition for ten years 😎
Ken, thanks for another informative, well executed video. As head of our church security team, I plan to implement this training routine in our practice sessions.
ABSOLUTELY Ken... Just like loosing an engine in an airplane, Identify/Verify/Secure. Mistakenly shooting a friendly is like shutting down the GOOD Engine! GREAT Reminder of "Situational Awareness".
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I especially liked how Ken led with his head and eyes and looked toward the target before bring the rest of the body to square off and draw. It wasn’t a display of range theatrics, but looked like a normal reaction from anyone in condition yellow still surprised by a disturbance or gun shot.
I kept looking for Ken’s thumb to deactivate safety as he drew cocked out of the holster. Never could see that in the video. Will have to go back and study this again.
Thank you Ken for the training videos You are very well respected in the shooting in the shooting world as with the entire crew at Wilson combat. Great channel
Best most informative instructional class on defensive shooting in church I have ever seen! I am on a security team at my church and feel totally inadequate as I am not a large person and of age, plus I have never been in an actual combat situation and pray I never am. Still I have taken a course on "Shooting from Concealment" and scheduled to take another on "Shooting on the Move and Barriers". Also attended a Security Meeting where a Sheriff Officer gave a three hour class on "Verbal Deescalation and knowing when to talk and when to take action. I can only do what I can do, but am trying to train for it. Pray it never needs put into action!
Hard to believe a church shooting literally happened exactly like this days later. Guy has a shotgun, shoots someone, church security draws and shoots the shooter down. About a 15 yard shot taking him down.
Kinda the reason this video was made, I thought that was obvious as to why all these trainers are putting out videos on this topic right now not to mention the guy who shot in the church was a firearms trainer himself.
The gun the security guard used in TX was a SIG P229 in .357 SIG. I don't know if I could be pressured to make a headshot like that, at that range, in double action that quickly. Some very fine marksmanship was in order on that day.
Thank you. How fitting your comments come at about the same time as the West Freeway Church shooting in Fort Worth. I just watched an interview with Jack Wilson the head of security at that church and the man who took out the shooter. His window was 4-6 seconds in a crowed auditorium. He typically does not recommend head shots but had no other choice. The shooter was carrying a shotgun and had just gunned down 2 people. The shooter was turning toward the front of the building when he was taken out.
Excellent analysis and the reaction of the congregation confirms the behavior. Jack Wilson used that 5 second window to take down the shooter before the flight response.
I was practicing that this last summer. I was doing high center chest at I think 10 yards. I was like 2.6 down to just under 2 seconds. Good information and yes I try to be as good a shooter as I can. I feel like I can get better speed over time but I have to maintain the accuracy.
@@peterjohnson5268There is this thing called "Balance between Speed and Accuracy", which means work to improve speed while maintaining accuracy. All the drills my team runs are designed to improve this concept.
Thanks Ken, even though I had to stop CCW year ago, I still watch you after all the years gone by. This old sheepdog is injured an road rough. I’ve become parking lot prey to the lurking predators here in California. Elderly crime is scary terrible. Cheers Brother!
Great video. I noticed at the completion of every shot, you index and lower the weapon as if following the threat for additional application. Real good practice. Thank you.
My state has a law, they're good at passing those, making it illegal to bring a gun in a facility where childcare is provided, which is most churches! I am stunned how many public and private buildings deny my 2nd Amendment rights. I think that makes them "soft targets."
I live in a state with similar laws. I won't advise others as to what they should do, but my state's unconstitutional laws don't supercede my right to self defense. I carry anyway. I REFUSE to become a defenseless victim!
Ken Hackathorn @ 3:47 : "vision, decision, action". Me, 2 minutes later: subscribed. Excellent video. Hope the rest of Wilson Combat are just as good and I am sure they will be because I just spotted an Ayoob clip!
Brother Ken I live in Pennsylvania. We have had meetings about this and the pastors are on board especially the senior pastor is retired Navy. Problem is I’ve said time and time again let’s tell the congregation that there are sheep dog in the congregation but we have a lot of New York folks that have moved here from New York and the mere telling them to duck and stay calm and let us handle the situation, there would be a complete melt down if they knew there were armed parishioners in the church. Sad, because if everyone stands up we’ve got a problem. Great segment and your a great teacher. Thank you.
@French Frys you are very rude. You also are wrong in your assertion. Georgia SB281, sponsored by Donzella James D- Atlanta, bans all semiauto weapons. A Georgia gun owner would get 5 years in prison for each instance of possessing a semiauto rifle, pistol, shotgun or magazine with a capacity greater than 10 rounds. If SB281 passes in Georgia a person possessing the pistol and two magazines the instructor used in this video would get 15 years in prison.
Just bought some WC parts for my Remington R1. Ambi safety, Beaver Tail grip safety, hammer and adjustable trigger. Of all the guns I bring to the range, I do my best to train every time I can with my carry. Best I can do is make it all muscle memory.
Very good presentation Sir . I wonder what type of ammo one would need to prevent a round from passing through ones head ? I don't know if the ammo air marshals used is still being made but would think that could be a good round .
I know and love everyone in my church, so this is a scenario that haunts me. The ONLY answer is to prepare, train, and practice regularly. May God be with and protect His people.
Excellent video....totally logical and sensible....This is exactly what the guy did in the Texas church a few days ago..... Saw the threat and eliminated it with one head shot at 50 feet.....
These scenarios have me debating trigger weights. I hate safeties, but I shoot M1911 handguns very well. I love the triggers and they are great for those split second accurate shots needed. I get that safeties can be trained around, but I just hate having to think about remembering to take a safety off. I shoot my SIG-P320 Compact well, but I can constantly shoot M1911 handguns better.
I have not carried during church services since I served in Iraq. We are a small church. Since the last shooting, I am carrying I am carrying my M1911A1 45 cal. I pray that I never have to use it. I have been around weapons all my life, but I have never really practiced drawing from a holster until now. Thanks for the video.
Really good points made. One point was the idea of a "headshot" instead of a center of mass shot. A shooting drill called a "failure to stop" drill that is most often trained with in the military and in law enforcement involves 2 shots center mass, a reasessment and an additional, vital shot. That vital shot is aimed either at the "T Box" (part of the head) or in the pelvic girdle. The head is generally discouraged in firefights because it's easy to do in training but not in real life. The pelvis is considered to be a vital area and is easier to hit. It still causes the threat to collapse from the damage to an important body structure. It also is not typically protected by armor.
I would really like to know how far that shot was. In the published video, it looks like more than 10 yards. It would be handy to know to practice against. Not only was it a fairly long shot, the guy was moving a little also, as would be normal. I am trying to think about how to make a decent moving head target. A head size balloon hanging from a long string is all I can think of. Any other ideas. One last thing, Ken's vest is the best looking vest I have seen. I would sure like to know where to get one. I have several by a couple of different makers, but they are all a little more obvious than that one. Anyone know?
One important fact to remember is drawing from the holster position. It took the Texas security officer three seconds to draw and stand up at same time. Have chairs on the range tp simulate setting then drawing then sight alignment sight picture.
I just talked to my head of security about joining the team and he determined I'm not a good fit, but he's still going over some great materials with me after church each week, so he's interested in working with me, which I appreciate.
I use to be on a church security team until I changed churches. I really like the idea of keeping your weapon pointed high for a ready position. When training many years ago as a police cadet we were trained not just to be aware of what was behind the target, but also who was behind me if the shooter returned fire. In thinking Reality Base Scenario's, I pictured not drawing until closing in enough to the shooter to assure a clear and doable shot. Rationale, avoid getting targeted yourself by shooter or friendly fire until the threat is taken out. What's you input?
Great video. Practice the same shot from a seated position also. You would be surprised how being seated changes the draw and geometry a bit. You never know if you would need to do the same shot in church or a restaurant etc while seated. Either way, awesome video. Train often everyone. And loose that sub-compact and buy something with a red-dot or decent sight radius and a good trigger.
I can't see an effective shot in less than 5 seconds in most cases. Two seconds to determine who is shooting on top of 2 secs. to draw and maybe 1-2 seconds to pick a safe shot. 5-6 seconds in most cases. Maybe longer if you don't have someone already on your radar.
Head shots do stop the situation. But center body shots are more easy to hit and slow it down the situation. Close in and disarm. I don't know but your right if you cool headed and wait just a second and be confident in your shot placement then take it.
I'm thinking through your information, (perhaps overthinking). If you are in the church crowd with your gun pointing up by your face, as described at the 8:19 mark, doesn't that make your elbows and arms more susceptible to be hit by panic'd people, causing you to be knocked out of engagement position?
Man, I sure do wish I could afford a Wilson EDC X9 and then I could really take on some bad guys. Unfortunately it seems you need to have won the Lottery first to be able to purchase a Wilson Combat pistola.
We teach Sul. (I’m sure I’m spelling that wrong). In other words, gun protected and straight down, in most cases, especially when moving through people to close on target. What are thoughts of others? Again, is up better (but not blocking view), because of concrete? Not sure, welcome comments.
That would be slower with iwb holster as most sheepdogs wear at either 4 o’clock or appendix. I was hoping you were gonna talk about yesterday’s Texas church shooting. That shooting many points you are talking about. The window and flagging both happened 😎😎
Regardless if you are on a security team or not, if you carry a CCW you should be practicing this drill. Don't just carry without doing drills. Thanks Ken for this valuable video.
Yep, get training and practice. P.S. youtube is not training...
I agree. Nothing better than doing hands on practice drills.
Does the security team kill the ccw guy that doesn’t know about the security team and kills the bad guy?
Ty as As gas OK I give me a
A fellow did the exact thing you are instructing about down in TX last Sunday. He ended it very quickly.
Did you notice the name of the video?
Actually the first two who drew were killed.
@@tberkoff so the 2nd guy died too ?
@@tberkoff The first victim was making a draw. The second victim was motionless.
I dnt think it's a coincidence this video was released when it was....
That first shot here by Ken was one of the most beautiful displays of fluid execution I've ever seen.
Superb video, everyone carrying should have this attitude of vigilance.
Cannot stress enough how basic and integral these lessons are to carrying.
A very affirming video for me personally on my first day of carrying: being strong in sheepdog mentality and unshakable in extreme situations it is the practical application of the protective tooling (marksmanship) that needs refining as a newb.
Wilson Combat has been and is continuing to be a bedrock foundation grounding intelligent decisions and positive upward progress.
STRIKE TRUE
BARBARIC ERIC
Thanks Ken practice is the key . Our security team at church made up of good people , but need to practice there skills . Two recent intrusions showed lack of skills and I’m working on that with our group . K I’m showing this video to our group.
My first time here. Really good stuff to help train my church security guys. I retired after 32 years policing and shot competitive pistol competition for ten years 😎
Ken, thanks for another informative, well executed video. As head of our church security team, I plan to implement this training routine in our practice sessions.
How timely. One of the best training videos have seen in a long time,,like ever. Thanks Ken!
Talk about timing!!!!!
Thank you very much Ken. Your wisdom and advice is beyond evaluation.
ABSOLUTELY Ken... Just like loosing an engine in an airplane, Identify/Verify/Secure. Mistakenly shooting a friendly is like shutting down the GOOD Engine! GREAT Reminder of "Situational Awareness".
Great information!
Especially the tip about keeping muzzle up and not flagging people after shooting.
Thanks for posting and keep yourself safe!
Randy
Great information as always. Everyone carrying should be subscribed to this Wilson Combat channel.
Thanks for great video
Great Video. Thanks for all you do.
Excellent information and drill!
Best video on the situation I've ever seen.
Randy bobandy I totally agree sir!!
What a great video thanks again
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I somehow lost the account password. I love any assistance you can give me!
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I especially liked how Ken led with his head and eyes and looked toward the target before bring the rest of the body to square off and draw. It wasn’t a display of range theatrics, but looked like a normal reaction from anyone in condition yellow still surprised by a disturbance or gun shot.
I kept looking for Ken’s thumb to deactivate safety as he drew cocked out of the holster. Never could see that in the video. Will have to go back and study this again.
Thank you Ken for the training videos
You are very well respected in the shooting in the shooting world as with the entire crew at Wilson combat.
Great channel
Best most informative instructional class on defensive shooting in church I have ever seen! I am on a security team at my church and feel totally inadequate as I am not a large person and of age, plus I have never been in an actual combat situation and pray I never am.
Still I have taken a course on "Shooting from Concealment" and scheduled to take another on "Shooting on the Move and Barriers". Also attended a Security Meeting where a Sheriff Officer gave a three hour class on "Verbal Deescalation and knowing when to talk and when to take action.
I can only do what I can do, but am trying to train for it. Pray it never needs put into action!
It looks slow but the timer says otherwise. Once again, Wyatt Earp's proverb holds "Take your time but do it quickly"
EXCELLENT TUTORIAL Ken !!!!!!!!
ThNk you for sharing your experience and knowledge with the rest of us looking to protect our families and parishioners.
Hard to believe a church shooting literally happened exactly like this days later. Guy has a shotgun, shoots someone, church security draws and shoots the shooter down. About a 15 yard shot taking him down.
With a headshot I believe. Which is exactly what he was saying was most effective.
Kinda the reason this video was made, I thought that was obvious as to why all these trainers are putting out videos on this topic right now not to mention the guy who shot in the church was a firearms trainer himself.
The gun the security guard used in TX was a SIG P229 in .357 SIG. I don't know if I could be pressured to make a headshot like that, at that range, in double action that quickly. Some very fine marksmanship was in order on that day.
Keeping a cool head while getting shot at or in the situation is key.
Thank you. How fitting your comments come at about the same time as the West Freeway Church shooting in Fort Worth. I just watched an interview with Jack Wilson the head of security at that church and the man who took out the shooter. His window was 4-6 seconds in a crowed auditorium. He typically does not recommend head shots but had no other choice. The shooter was carrying a shotgun and had just gunned down 2 people. The shooter was turning toward the front of the building when he was taken out.
In our training or class of "extremely high risk VIP protection" we keep the time window for the heads shot inside the three seconds as maximum time.
Vison…Decision…Action… excellent tips Mr. Ken.Big thank you.
Thank you Mr. Hackathorn. great video Sir. Very helpful.
Ken and Bill are spot on
Bravo well done, thanks for taking the time to show us. God Bless.
Excellent analysis and the reaction of the congregation confirms the behavior. Jack Wilson used that 5 second window to take down the shooter before the flight response.
I was practicing that this last summer. I was doing high center chest at I think 10 yards. I was like 2.6 down to just under 2 seconds. Good information and yes I try to be as good a shooter as I can. I feel like I can get better speed over time but I have to maintain the accuracy.
So which do you think is more important speed or accuracy if you had to choose one which would you rather be accurate or fast?
@@peterjohnson5268There is this thing called "Balance between Speed and Accuracy", which means work to improve speed while maintaining accuracy. All the drills my team runs are designed to improve this concept.
No good being fast if you cant hit.
Thanks Ken, even though I had to stop CCW year ago, I still watch you after all the years gone by. This old sheepdog is injured an road rough. I’ve become parking lot prey to the lurking predators here in California. Elderly crime is scary terrible. Cheers Brother!
Gary Bowen May you have many Blessings and always be safe.
Great video. I noticed at the completion of every shot, you index and lower the weapon as if following the threat for additional application. Real good practice. Thank you.
My state has a law, they're good at passing those, making it illegal to bring a gun in a facility where childcare is provided, which is most churches! I am stunned how many public and private buildings deny my 2nd Amendment rights. I think that makes them "soft targets."
I live in a state with similar laws. I won't advise others as to what they should do, but my state's unconstitutional laws don't supercede my right to self defense. I carry anyway. I REFUSE to become a defenseless victim!
It ok. You go to heaven or something.
@@Fullyautomagic only through Faith in our Lord Jesus Christ will heaven be a possibility. 🙏🏻
May be time to move.
Ken Hackathorn @ 3:47 : "vision, decision, action". Me, 2 minutes later: subscribed. Excellent video. Hope the rest of Wilson Combat are just as good and I am sure they will be because I just spotted an Ayoob clip!
Perfect video Ken ! My deepest respect.
Brother Ken I live in Pennsylvania. We have had meetings about this and the pastors are on board especially the senior pastor is retired Navy.
Problem is I’ve said time and time again let’s tell the congregation that there are sheep dog in the congregation but we have a lot of New York folks that have moved here from New York and the mere telling them to duck and stay calm and let us handle the situation, there would be a complete melt down if they knew there were armed parishioners in the church. Sad, because if everyone stands up we’ve got a problem. Great segment and your a great teacher. Thank you.
City people yeah they might have a problem, then again they may not. NYC is not the whole of the State of NY.
@French Frys you are very rude. You also are wrong in your assertion. Georgia SB281, sponsored by Donzella James D- Atlanta, bans all semiauto weapons. A Georgia gun owner would get 5 years in prison for each instance of possessing a semiauto rifle, pistol, shotgun or magazine with a capacity greater than 10 rounds. If SB281 passes in Georgia a person possessing the pistol and two magazines the instructor used in this video would get 15 years in prison.
Send them back to NYC and whish them the best of luck.
@French Frys the best policy is to leave people alone. If the break the law punish them. Stop trying to create problems where they don't exist.
Just bought some WC parts for my Remington R1. Ambi safety, Beaver Tail grip safety, hammer and adjustable trigger.
Of all the guns I bring to the range, I do my best to train every time I can with my carry.
Best I can do is make it all muscle memory.
the operative word is PRACTICE a lot ! Thanks Ken this is smart stuff!
Very good presentation Sir . I wonder what type of ammo one would need to prevent a round from passing through ones head ? I don't know if the ammo air marshals used is still being made but would think that could be a good round .
Vision, Decision, Action. Good, useful information and the framework to go with it. Thank you.
Thank you, sir. Great training for the chaos of real life.
Very informative video that makes some excellent points.
Fantastic reminder of WHY awareness and accuracy is SO much more important that speed: Sheepdog
A man named Wyatt summed this up nicely:
"Fast is fine, but accuracy is everything. You must learn to be slow in a hurry."
So true. Uncle Wyatt knew what he was talking about.
"Fast is fine, but accuracy is final. . . ." Not to be picky, and I completely agree!
Great advice to consider here
Excellent advice. Thanks Ken!
Vision, decision, action. The basic building block you need to build upon.
I know and love everyone in my church, so this is a scenario that haunts me. The ONLY answer is to prepare, train, and practice regularly. May God be with and protect His people.
GREAT video. I especially like the phrase... vision-decision-action (VDA)
Excellent video....totally logical and sensible....This is exactly what the guy did in the Texas church a few days ago..... Saw the threat and eliminated it with one head shot at 50 feet.....
Excellent video, thank you for taking the time to share.
These scenarios have me debating trigger weights. I hate safeties, but I shoot M1911 handguns very well. I love the triggers and they are great for those split second accurate shots needed. I get that safeties can be trained around, but I just hate having to think about remembering to take a safety off. I shoot my SIG-P320 Compact well, but I can constantly shoot M1911 handguns better.
I have not carried during church services since I served in Iraq. We are a small church. Since the last shooting, I am carrying I am carrying my M1911A1 45 cal. I pray that I never have to use it. I have been around weapons all my life, but I have never really practiced drawing from a holster until now. Thanks for the video.
Real world common sense and protection Thank-you
Well done WC...well done
Really good points made. One point was the idea of a "headshot" instead of a center of mass shot. A shooting drill called a "failure to stop" drill that is most often trained with in the military and in law enforcement involves 2 shots center mass, a reasessment and an additional, vital shot. That vital shot is aimed either at the "T Box" (part of the head) or in the pelvic girdle. The head is generally discouraged in firefights because it's easy to do in training but not in real life. The pelvis is considered to be a vital area and is easier to hit. It still causes the threat to collapse from the damage to an important body structure. It also is not typically protected by armor.
excellent video as i do church security this video was very beneficial to our team thank you
I would really like to know how far that shot was. In the published video, it looks like more than 10 yards. It would be handy to know to practice against. Not only was it a fairly long shot, the guy was moving a little also, as would be normal. I am trying to think about how to make a decent moving head target. A head size balloon hanging from a long string is all I can think of. Any other ideas. One last thing, Ken's vest is the best looking vest I have seen. I would sure like to know where to get one. I have several by a couple of different makers, but they are all a little more obvious than that one. Anyone know?
Excellent video. Please keep the good content coming!
Excellent and timely information. Thanks.
Excellent. Thank you
One important fact to remember is drawing from the holster position. It took the Texas security officer three seconds to draw and stand up at same time. Have chairs on the range tp simulate setting then drawing then sight alignment sight picture.
"In the real world it's VISION, DECISION, ACTION."
I just talked to my head of security about joining the team and he determined I'm not a good fit, but he's still going over some great materials with me after church each week, so he's interested in working with me, which I appreciate.
I use to be on a church security team until I changed churches. I really like the idea of keeping your weapon pointed high for a ready position. When training many years ago as a police cadet we were trained not just to be aware of what was behind the target, but also who was behind me if the shooter returned fire. In thinking Reality Base Scenario's, I pictured not drawing until closing in enough to the shooter to assure a clear and doable shot. Rationale, avoid getting targeted yourself by shooter or friendly fire until the threat is taken out. What's you input?
Great video. Practice the same shot from a seated position also. You would be surprised how being seated changes the draw and geometry a bit. You never know if you would need to do the same shot in church or a restaurant etc while seated. Either way, awesome video. Train often everyone. And loose that sub-compact and buy something with a red-dot or decent sight radius and a good trigger.
A red dot on a 1911…. 🤣. A firm NO.
V,D,A... thanks Ken!
Excellent video
Love it, great topic and training suggestion.
Glad it was helpful!
I can't see an effective shot in less than 5 seconds in most cases. Two seconds to determine who is shooting on top of 2 secs. to draw and maybe 1-2 seconds to pick a safe shot. 5-6 seconds in most cases. Maybe longer if you don't have someone already on your radar.
If it takes you 2 seconds to draw you need to carry in a better place.
Slow is smooth is fast. Situational awareness is key. Attention to detail.
As always great instruction, experience,composure thanks.
Thanks for the Video Ken.
Thank you for an excellent training video. Also, I appreciate the Sheepdog discussion. #Lt. Col. Grossman.
Great video sir!! Thank you for the information, very helpful in ANY situation.
Thanks
Amen Ken 👍
Excellent points. Just subscribed.
Good beginners practice for sure. But I would suggest starting to practice it with moving target along with getting off you're X.
Thank you!
Thank you
Ken H, smooth as silk! A Master no doubt!
Thank you for some great tips.
Good drill, thanks Ken. Wilson combat should send the security person from that church security team a sweet edc carry gun
Thank you Maestro...
Head shots do stop the situation. But center body shots are more easy to hit and slow it down the situation. Close in and disarm. I don't know but your right if you cool headed and wait just a second and be confident in your shot placement then take it.
Great video awesome imformation💪💪👍👍
Good info. Keep informing us new training.
Do you guys do any revolver vids?
I'm thinking through your information, (perhaps overthinking). If you are in the church crowd with your gun pointing up by your face, as described at the 8:19 mark, doesn't that make your elbows and arms more susceptible to be hit by panic'd people, causing you to be knocked out of engagement position?
Great advice!
When Ken talks I listen
Man, I sure do wish I could afford a Wilson EDC X9 and then I could really take on some bad guys. Unfortunately it seems you need to have won the Lottery first to be able to purchase a Wilson Combat pistola.
The Hack speaking truths. This is the way.
We teach Sul. (I’m sure I’m spelling that wrong). In other words, gun protected and straight down, in most cases, especially when moving through people to close on target. What are thoughts of others? Again, is up better (but not blocking view), because of concrete? Not sure, welcome comments.
Great content Ken. Excellent advice 👍
Awesome video.
That would be slower with iwb holster as most sheepdogs wear at either 4 o’clock or appendix.
I was hoping you were gonna talk about yesterday’s Texas church shooting. That shooting many points you are talking about. The window and flagging both happened 😎😎