When i was in the military many years ago I was taught that anytime your muzzle was pointed up you were in the praying position. Praying to be taken out for being stupid since all someone in close quarters has to do is grab your forearms and your stopped. If your muzzle is pointed down your can drop to your knees and rotate the muzzle up and take them out since you will have the leverage. You are absolutely correct about muscle memory so I don't ever train with muzzle up. If there is a home invasion i don't want to be in a disadvantage where someone can just grab my forearms.
This is the most ass backwards thing I've ever read. If someone grabs your forearms when your muzzle is up, just punch your weapon out. It's no different from doing a punch or a post out in boxing or Muay Thai. When you punch out like that from high ready, your gun will be in the bad guys face immediately. You may be thinking of high port, which is NOT a fighting position. Your logic of muzzle down makes even less sense. With your arms down, someone grabbing your arms or gun has the advantage of being assisted by the force of gravity. And by the time you process what's happening and drop to your knees, the bad guy can have his weapon out and absolutely attack the entirety of your upper body BECAUSE YOUR HANDS ARE DOWN. You may not have time or room to drop down to a knee. And even if you do, you may only be able to get a non fatal shot off while the attacker still has the ability to use their hands and weapons. There is LESS leverage from low ready. Get with the times. Tactics change all the time. You know what was also taught in the military? That during CQB, Marines should accept the fact that they'll flag each other when moving close to each other in a confined space. That's changed. All the modern SOF veterans will use both. Navy SEALs are huge advocates of high ready. Do you think they were praying to die when they pacified al Ramadi in 2006?
30 years ago on Santa Monica Blvd, I adopted the stance you gave in your last suggestion, when two young men suddenly started paying way to much attention to me. That stance got an immediate response, They both turned 180 degrees and got gone. Great content Ken.
Howdy, I lived in SM for years till I moved out of county in '96. So I'm curious which part of SM Blvd. And which stance to you adopt? BTW, I was a Los Angeles DDA for 30 years. I prefer my Sig 220P carry model, in a modestly simple 45.
Great video and advice! Personally I prefer just putting my hand on the grip while still holstered. Solves two issues real quick, escalate or deescalate safely.
This is excellent. Thank you for filming this and sharing the important information. I often tell people "In real life..." or "in a real situation..." and try to get them to think about what happens if they ever have to defend their actions. Also, they need to realize how dangerous it is to start shooting, you can't take back a bullet once it is out of the barrel. Twice I thought I was going to have to defend myself with a pistol, both times the situation was de-escalated. But the first time was a real eye opener and led me to really study and train about 'self defense'. Spot on, it ain't a movie. You need to market T shirts that say "Don't practice stupid $#@!" they would sell. Thanks again. Great video.
Actually, John Wick practices race gun shit to make his movies. You should say get over that IDPA gun game one- way flat range shit when training for the real world.
And yet Ken did a video of him doing "John Wick shit" a couple years after he filmed this one. Look up Shooting USA John Wick drill and look who runs the course of fire.
I agree with holster ready. I also favor an owb holster with a loose woven (not knit) fabric shirt worn over. I'll usually leave the bottom button or two unbuttoned. Printing is minimal.
Another benefit of holster grip is if you run or are in low light, bad weather you may stumble or trip. A cocked handgun in your grip is not ideal! 😯 I'm not a huge fan of "temple" index. If in a CQB situation or crowd, I'd either use a less lethal weapon or keep my pistol low to reduce the risk of a gun grab or ND.
Thank you. Several years ago, Clint Smith of Thunder Ranch gave Max Joseph of TFTT alot of crap for teaching Position SUL. You used to to run a serpentine drill using Position SUL. If your muzzle is pointing directly at the deck, then it is safe. Different situations require different needs.
Sul is a + method in some uses. I tried to explain the method to a group of G/security officers. They did not pick up on the rashional 🤦🏽♂️. Some people who get guns or take classes vapor lock or get stuck on minor points.
Thank you. I was taught the Sol position and the temple ready as well. I really like them and have used them in training. I have practiced the holster hand ready and low ready positions as well.
Yes, as ⏰ goes by more & more of the 1970s 1980s 1990s era cadre are passing or retired. Some newer SOF guys and ex SWAT types are 😬.... serious gunners & new sworn LE officers need the basics, get solid weapon skills from the top trainers.
Ken's been one of my personal gurus for decades. Great shooter, terrific teacher. Some of his colleagues, Cooper, Smith, Ayoob, etc., share this talent. Actually saves lives, folks. Pay attention!
Thanks Ken, I prefer the hand on the holstered pistol first and foremost. Church security is a real potential environment that I might find myself and others threatened in. The danger with high gun to me is clearing the holster without sweeping an innocent with the muzzle. Thanks again for the video and sage experience! Keep ‘em coming ya’ll.
I agree completely. Understand your laws, understand your state statutes on justification of use of force and how they define those key words. Most importantly understand how to articulate yourself. My rule of thumb is if it’s coming out it’s gonna bang.
Thanks for a good video and especially the last piece of info on practice. There's what I believe is called Hicks law where the person has too many options which then slows or paralyzes their response to situations because they're trying to pick "the best" response.
I like Dave Spaulding’s concept of an “Arch of Ready”...put it where it’s safest. Practice them all and be willing to adjust to your environment and context.
"Temple index?" And I thought I'd heard it all. If I had a nickel for every firearms instructor I've heard explain why their particular idiosyncratic technique is the one right way of doing things, over the last four decades or so, I'd buy Google. Spectacular mustache. Just spectacular.
I use something similar to what you are calling "Position SOL", but higher up at the bottom of my sternum. I developed it myself in the 90's and have used it ever since. Back then, we didn't have weapon mounted lights, so at night my weak hand held my flashlight which illuminated the area in front of me, and it was a smooth presentation to bring them both up together.
Great Advice from a legend. Also really good that you go over the legal ramifications of drawing your weapon! You reinforced the essential that you revert to your training and what you practice under stress. I've been carrying since 1980. As an LEO and a Citizen. I try hard to keep up with new information, but only if it is safe and has a solid foundation. Not if it is just the last thing from people who think they are in the know. As you noted there is a GREAT DIFFERENCE in how you use your gun as a Civilian! Don't forget to be the first person to call 911! Thank you👍
Perfect - I prefer the hand on the holstered gun - I am within 1/2 second of low ready response time and my legal defense is easy and obvious...the gun was NEVER out of my holster so the complainants assertion of feeling threatened is reasonably eliminated... he can NOT claim it was pointed at him if it stayed in the holster just like every cop's gun that walks a beat every day all day.
You know I’m a truck driver , I have said many times to my kids, I driven in reverse more you’ve gone forward .. You sir are someone that knows more about gun shooting, then most no about taking care of basic needs for there family’s thank you ,,, god bless
We all know James Yeager straight up stole that technique from the Charlie's Angels! He probably had their poster on his bedroom wall when he was a kid.
I really like that position sol thing. I practiced it a little bit myself and found it pretty easy to work with; it's both safe and surprisingly does not impinge on your ability to reliably get the gun up and your sights on target (provided your grip and stance are also good).
I like to keep my 1911 in the holster with my hand on my fírearm for many reasons. The first is that is the safest place with my hand on it ready to go. It's easier for fírearms retention incase someone tries to take it I can hold it 7n position and bend my knees and lean back and spin while grabbing my knife clipped on my pocket so I can use it to stab at the person trying to grab my fírearm 8f I get the chance to go for the knife. Most of the time you can't get to that knife because your fighting to keep control of your fírearm. The most of all is I hope to God that you are never in the position. It's really tough to take a life. It's not all the good guy wins. The good guy that won really list because you now have become a different person and everyone will look at you different. I remember the first argument my dad and I got into after my first incident. He actually had fear in his eyes like if I could kill that guy what can he do to me. At least that's how I looked at it. I thought he was afraid of me. I still see a therapist once in awhile but I found that she has never gone through it so I found some guys that were in the military and understood what I was going through and they have helped me the most. If I have a bad nightmare that messes with me I can call one of them and they are there for me and I am there for them. I have gotten phone calls at 3:00 am from one of the guys who was in a bad spot in that time and just needed to talk. We have each other's backs.
Always a wealth of information Mr. Hackathorn, I am looking forward to one of your classes, I accompanied my Sensei in the mid 80's on a class you gave and to impress Sensei Richard L Wigginton you are most defiantly the Best of the Best. Looking forward to your next class.
Thanks so much. Your instruction was of GREAT VALUE. Always wondered about the South ready position. Saw Police Officer use it, did not understand why, looked awarkward. Now I do?
Thanks for this. My CCL is on the way (knock on wood) so I can do concealed security at church. Of my small campus (less than 100) I am one of only three men willing to do concealed carry for security. We do have elderly people in wheelchairs and small kids running about under foot. I really like the cheek carry for rapid presentation in an active shooter situation. Gonna start practicing that one right now.
Good options there. I respectfully refer to your insights as 'Defensive "Hacks"' I also consider footwork and balance in any scenario. Keeping it holstered until stopped or clear of obstructions in the path of movement is my preferred tact.
I have a CCW license & I'm a G security officer Florida 👮🏻♂️. Temple Index in CQB or crowded space; bar, concert venue, church, school etc seems very risky. You could stumble or trip then 💥. Or more likely, a panic or stress out nutbar 😮 might rush up and want to grab your gun! This chaos took place during 1 Oct in Las Vegas NV. See the unedited video of Dan Berzerzen try to get a LVMPD cops firearm.
Be both, because you're either fast or your dead. Someone accurate enough will beat someone who is more accurate if the latter party can't even get a gun out in time. Also, precision is how close shots are together. Accuracy is how close shots land to an intended target. There's a huge difference. So you're saying I need tight groupings, but my groupings don't have to be accurate to my intended target. K got it, thank you.
Excellent points. Too many shooters today are getting pulled in to the Flashy shooting mindset they see on TH-cam and in movies and cross the boundaries of make believe and the real world.
correct on perceived legal problems. well said. Use a few practice TTPs, simple perform perfect training and take your time. Great advice. your info on high ready is way off. The SUL has had so many disarms they can't be counted. there is a much better modified version. the only more dangerous ready is the JY gunfu. soon as you ref JY, you lost it. The only accurate info was keep it holstered until needed, legal perception, action v reaction time. You can shoot, have contacts in high places but.... The legal stuff sounds exactly like another real gun fighter said years ago. used to get your paper kicked out of thesis committee. learned to gun fight from Cooper in 85. I'm still around. some are not. Remember this guy is not a gunfighter. He is a great paper shooter. hands down.
You've just made me change my person position and what I teach in my classes from the high ready position to the sul position. I'll be telling all my students to watch this video. Thank you.
Yeah high ready is not viable. I'm former military and LE.....even we didn't utilize that. We were taught that having your weapon in a position like that, can open you up to being disarmed. I also teach classes and the three shooting stances I teach are the isosceles, weaver, and modified isosceles. Modified isosceles uses the arms locked out of the isosceles but the bent knees and dropped back foot for balance of the Weaver.
We tested position Sul and the high ready position couple years back and found that high ready position was categorically safer, Given the correct angle. Less chance of flagging legs including your own. Position sul we found was too technical in terms of hand placement. Under stress some guys pistols would point to the sides and not straight down. Let us know what you think. -dairy cow
First pick the “ready” position the will “fit” your state laws. If you shoot you must be able to justify why you needed to defend yourself. Then practice that Ready position. It needs to be engrained in your mussel memory. Personally i like hand on gun in holster. Second one I like is next to my head muzzle pointing up. I am a Kentuckian hand on gun in holster would not be considered brandishing a weapon. If the aggressive behavior of the other person continues then pull your weapon.
Great video on a topic many people (myself included) don't think about very often if at all. Perhaps the most important part of the video is for everyone to know their local and state statutes as to what's considered a felony and what's considered a misdemeanor. If you ever had to draw your weapon, you could end up a convicted felon by simply drawing the firearm from its holster. Thank you for the great information!
I like the gun in hand, holstered; I practice presenting from that position. I'm not concerned with speed as much as being as smooth as possible and with that comes speed. If it comes out if the holster it's likely because I'm going to shoot. Thank you!
Bill, So to get to the temple position from the holster without flagging people? Can get to the sul position from holster without flagging anybody. I use and practice the temple position, but do flash the barrel forward as getting it in position. Nice video.
For those of us who Constitutional Carry ( OPEN CARRY ) I find that my most comfortable position is hand on gun in holster. Even if my threat encroaches me point blank still goes bang.
I had to chuckle when he mentioned karate. He's right. Although I practice kata's and a number of difference punching and kicking techniques. For street defense I only practice one specific punch and kick. Like the bullet coming out of my gun, my intent is to put the attacker down as quickly as possible, with no quarter, if I'm attacked.
"Don't practice stupid shit." Best advice EVER.
agreed
Dont waste time using bad tactics, poor methods in training. You wont improve & you wont be a better marksmanship.
Gold.
When i was in the military many years ago I was taught that anytime your muzzle was pointed up you were in the praying position. Praying to be taken out for being stupid since all someone in close quarters has to do is grab your forearms and your stopped. If your muzzle is pointed down your can drop to your knees and rotate the muzzle up and take them out since you will have the leverage. You are absolutely correct about muscle memory so I don't ever train with muzzle up. If there is a home invasion i don't want to be in a disadvantage where someone can just grab my forearms.
This is the most ass backwards thing I've ever read. If someone grabs your forearms when your muzzle is up, just punch your weapon out. It's no different from doing a punch or a post out in boxing or Muay Thai. When you punch out like that from high ready, your gun will be in the bad guys face immediately. You may be thinking of high port, which is NOT a fighting position.
Your logic of muzzle down makes even less sense. With your arms down, someone grabbing your arms or gun has the advantage of being assisted by the force of gravity. And by the time you process what's happening and drop to your knees, the bad guy can have his weapon out and absolutely attack the entirety of your upper body BECAUSE YOUR HANDS ARE DOWN. You may not have time or room to drop down to a knee. And even if you do, you may only be able to get a non fatal shot off while the attacker still has the ability to use their hands and weapons. There is LESS leverage from low ready.
Get with the times. Tactics change all the time. You know what was also taught in the military? That during CQB, Marines should accept the fact that they'll flag each other when moving close to each other in a confined space. That's changed. All the modern SOF veterans will use both. Navy SEALs are huge advocates of high ready. Do you think they were praying to die when they pacified al Ramadi in 2006?
30 years ago on Santa Monica Blvd, I adopted the stance you gave in your last suggestion, when two young men suddenly started paying way to much attention to me. That stance got an immediate response, They both turned 180 degrees and got gone. Great content Ken.
did a hand on pistol as taught by Jeff Cooper to me in 1985. Same results....
Same here. Bad guys don’t want a real fight.
Yep, most bad guys are wanting a soft target
Howdy, I lived in SM for years till I moved out of county in '96. So I'm curious which part of SM Blvd. And which stance to you adopt? BTW, I was a Los Angeles DDA for 30 years. I prefer my Sig 220P carry model, in a modestly simple 45.
@@RealDapperDude District Attorney? Oh boy. I think it’s best if he keeps his stance and the events of that day to himself. 😆 j/k.
What this world needs is more truth and more common sense like Ken presents.
I was just thinking the same. :)
The wisdom of this man will save lives one day.
Thanks
Great video and advice! Personally I prefer just putting my hand on the grip while still holstered. Solves two issues real quick, escalate or deescalate safely.
Agreed! It only takes about less than 3 seconds from that point to draw and make an accurate shot for most people.
This is excellent. Thank you for filming this and sharing the important information. I often tell people "In real life..." or "in a real situation..." and try to get them to think about what happens if they ever have to defend their actions. Also, they need to realize how dangerous it is to start shooting, you can't take back a bullet once it is out of the barrel. Twice I thought I was going to have to defend myself with a pistol, both times the situation was de-escalated. But the first time was a real eye opener and led me to really study and train about 'self defense'. Spot on, it ain't a movie. You need to market T shirts that say "Don't practice stupid $#@!" they would sell. Thanks again. Great video.
"Get over the John Wick $#!t!" is going on a t-shirt that I'm going to wear to the range and IDPA matches!
Actually, John Wick practices race gun shit to make his movies. You should say get over that IDPA gun game one- way flat range shit when training for the real world.
@@donkeydonkey8681exactly
And yet Ken did a video of him doing "John Wick shit" a couple years after he filmed this one. Look up Shooting USA John Wick drill and look who runs the course of fire.
Great video. Glad you focused on people in real life dealing with the law and stuff instead of just fast shooting!
Really great series. Thanks to Wilson for putting this out there.
Some of this really needed to be said .. Never shoot faster than you can accurately his your intended target.
Speeds fine, accuracy is final! ⚰
Honor+Respect=♥️
Thx for increasing the love bro.
Holster ready definitely, Ken knows more in his sleep than most instructors know on there best day.
Thanks Ken
Thanks Bill
I had never thought of holster ready. When he discussed it I thought to myself, I’m an idiot for not seeing what’s been right in my face for years.
I agree with holster ready. I also favor an owb holster with a loose woven (not knit) fabric shirt worn over. I'll usually leave the bottom button or two unbuttoned. Printing is minimal.
Another benefit of holster grip is if you run or are in low light, bad weather you may stumble or trip. A cocked handgun in your grip is not ideal! 😯 I'm not a huge fan of "temple" index. If in a CQB situation or crowd, I'd either use a less lethal weapon or keep my pistol low to reduce the risk of a gun grab or ND.
Pretty dedicated student here of top instructors like Ken. Never before seen such a concise overview of RP options. Keep 'em comin', Wilson.
Thank you. Several years ago, Clint Smith of Thunder Ranch gave Max Joseph of TFTT alot of crap for teaching Position SUL. You used to to run a serpentine drill using Position SUL. If your muzzle is pointing directly at the deck, then it is safe. Different situations require different needs.
Outstanding lesson and items all should consider if they carry a defensive firearm. You will perform as you train absolutely
I'm down with the holster ready position
Thanks for your videos
Sul is a + method in some uses. I tried to explain the method to a group of G/security officers. They did not pick up on the rashional 🤦🏽♂️. Some people who get guns or take classes vapor lock or get stuck on minor points.
Thank you.
I was taught the Sol position and the temple ready as well. I really like them and have used them in training. I have practiced the holster hand ready and low ready positions as well.
Have enjoyed reading his and Mas, and Chuck's articles in magazines since 85' highly informative and insightful advice.
Yes, as ⏰ goes by more & more of the 1970s 1980s 1990s era cadre are passing or retired. Some newer SOF guys and ex SWAT types are 😬.... serious gunners & new sworn LE officers need the basics, get solid weapon skills from the top trainers.
No non-sense, all common sense!! Love that approach, and thanks for sharing!!
I do agree with you Sir absolutely.
FINALLY! A conversation including a healthy dose of real world common sense. GOOD JOB.
Ken's been one of my personal gurus for decades. Great shooter, terrific teacher. Some of his colleagues, Cooper, Smith, Ayoob, etc., share this talent. Actually saves lives, folks. Pay attention!
Excellent tips. Thanks from Western Kentucky.
Thanks Ken, I prefer the hand on the holstered pistol first and foremost. Church security is a real potential environment that I might find myself and others threatened in. The danger with high gun to me is clearing the holster without sweeping an innocent with the muzzle. Thanks again for the video and sage experience! Keep ‘em coming ya’ll.
Lots of goodness in this one, including the video time which happens to be 9:11 on a video talking about tactics in emergency situations
I agree completely. Understand your laws, understand your state statutes on justification of use of force and how they define those key words. Most importantly understand how to articulate yourself. My rule of thumb is if it’s coming out it’s gonna bang.
Excellent heads up about the law and reality
Thanks for a good video and especially the last piece of info on practice. There's what I believe is called Hicks law where the person has too many options which then slows or paralyzes their response to situations because they're trying to pick "the best" response.
I like Dave Spaulding’s concept of an “Arch of Ready”...put it where it’s safest. Practice them all and be willing to adjust to your environment and context.
Outstanding! Thank you Ken!
Thanks for your well-reasoned perspectives, Ken.
Worth its weight in gold. Thank you, Ken.
"Temple index?" And I thought I'd heard it all. If I had a nickel for every firearms instructor I've heard explain why their particular idiosyncratic technique is the one right way of doing things, over the last four decades or so, I'd buy Google. Spectacular mustache. Just spectacular.
Wisdom with a beautiful piece of functional art😊!
I use something similar to what you are calling "Position SOL", but higher up at the bottom of my sternum. I developed it myself in the 90's and have used it ever since. Back then, we didn't have weapon mounted lights, so at night my weak hand held my flashlight which illuminated the area in front of me, and it was a smooth presentation to bring them both up together.
Excellent Ken, just excellent. Right on point and realistic.
Great Advice from a legend.
Also really good that you go over the legal ramifications of drawing your weapon!
You reinforced the essential that you revert to your training and what you practice under stress.
I've been carrying since 1980. As an LEO and a Citizen. I try hard to keep up with new information, but only if it is safe and has a solid foundation. Not if it is just the last thing from people who think they are in the know.
As you noted there is a GREAT DIFFERENCE in how you use your gun as a Civilian!
Don't forget to be the first person to call 911!
Thank you👍
Perfect - I prefer the hand on the holstered gun - I am within 1/2 second of low ready response time and my legal defense is easy and obvious...the gun was NEVER out of my holster so the complainants assertion of feeling threatened is reasonably eliminated... he can NOT claim it was pointed at him if it stayed in the holster just like every cop's gun that walks a beat every day all day.
You know I’m a truck driver , I have said many times to my kids, I driven in reverse more you’ve gone forward ..
You sir are someone that knows more about gun shooting, then most no about taking care of basic needs for there family’s thank you ,,, god bless
Great information, love the John Wick reference, made me laugh.
JW was using the CAR ready that is FOR GUN FIGHTING not self defence
2:51
I do really agree with him and in fact, some of what I learned from him I demonstrated them in LITO VALLES PSD especially precision.
We all know James Yeager straight up stole that technique from the Charlie's Angels! He probably had their poster on his bedroom wall when he was a kid.
Oh Snap!
I really like that position sol thing. I practiced it a little bit myself and found it pretty easy to work with; it's both safe and surprisingly does not impinge on your ability to reliably get the gun up and your sights on target (provided your grip and stance are also good).
One of best, most practical videos I’ve seen.
I like to keep my 1911 in the holster with my hand on my fírearm for many reasons. The first is that is the safest place with my hand on it ready to go. It's easier for fírearms retention incase someone tries to take it I can hold it 7n position and bend my knees and lean back and spin while grabbing my knife clipped on my pocket so I can use it to stab at the person trying to grab my fírearm 8f I get the chance to go for the knife. Most of the time you can't get to that knife because your fighting to keep control of your fírearm. The most of all is I hope to God that you are never in the position. It's really tough to take a life. It's not all the good guy wins. The good guy that won really list because you now have become a different person and everyone will look at you different. I remember the first argument my dad and I got into after my first incident. He actually had fear in his eyes like if I could kill that guy what can he do to me. At least that's how I looked at it. I thought he was afraid of me. I still see a therapist once in awhile but I found that she has never gone through it so I found some guys that were in the military and understood what I was going through and they have helped me the most. If I have a bad nightmare that messes with me I can call one of them and they are there for me and I am there for them. I have gotten phone calls at 3:00 am from one of the guys who was in a bad spot in that time and just needed to talk. We have each other's backs.
Always a wealth of information Mr. Hackathorn, I am looking forward to one of your classes, I accompanied my Sensei in the mid 80's on a class you gave and to impress Sensei Richard L Wigginton you are most defiantly the Best of the Best. Looking forward to your next class.
I always enjoy your insights Ken. Thank you for your knowledge sir.
You and Ken, Abner. The best
Ken... awesome info. And practical... and practiceable. More to practice. Not only muscle memory, but under stress, brain memory. Thanks!
He never muzzled the camera man once.
I learned 2 new ready gun positions.
Great video and a lot to think about.
Thanks so much. Your instruction was of GREAT VALUE. Always wondered about the South ready position. Saw Police Officer use it, did not understand why, looked awarkward. Now I do?
Thanks for this. My CCL is on the way (knock on wood) so I can do concealed security at church. Of my small campus (less than 100) I am one of only three men willing to do concealed carry for security. We do have elderly people in wheelchairs and small kids running about under foot. I really like the cheek carry for rapid presentation in an active shooter situation. Gonna start practicing that one right now.
Life-saving advice.
Good options there. I respectfully refer to your insights as 'Defensive "Hacks"'
I also consider footwork and balance in any scenario. Keeping it holstered until stopped or clear of obstructions in the path of movement is my preferred tact.
Great teacher and speaks in layman’s terms. Valuable information. Thank you.
Our pleasure!
Great, practical advice from a level-headed trainer !
Thank you. I will work on hand on pistol and keep it there. All my work to this point has been speed.
I prefer firing grip on holstered weapon for ccw situations.
I practice temple index for moving in chaos.
I have a CCW license & I'm a G security officer Florida 👮🏻♂️. Temple Index in CQB or crowded space; bar, concert venue, church, school etc seems very risky. You could stumble or trip then 💥. Or more likely, a panic or stress out nutbar 😮 might rush up and want to grab your gun! This chaos took place during 1 Oct in Las Vegas NV. See the unedited video of Dan Berzerzen try to get a LVMPD cops firearm.
Precision over speed...excellent point.
"You can't miss fast enough to win"..... forgot who said it, still true.
Be both, because you're either fast or your dead. Someone accurate enough will beat someone who is more accurate if the latter party can't even get a gun out in time.
Also, precision is how close shots are together. Accuracy is how close shots land to an intended target. There's a huge difference. So you're saying I need tight groupings, but my groupings don't have to be accurate to my intended target. K got it, thank you.
Excellent points. Too many shooters today are getting pulled in to the Flashy shooting mindset they see on TH-cam and in movies and cross the boundaries of make believe and the real world.
Practical and informative video...thanks!!!
Excellent Instruction overall! Thank you sharing!
Good stuff. The only one we trained on when I was on the force was what we called the low ready.
Great as usual, not only for the USA! hanx for de vids, greetings from Argentina
So much wisdom there. thanks!
Superb instruction and information Sir. Thank you.
Well if Ken says so.
All I can say is , " Copy That". Thanks your ,Sir !!!
Welcome information. Nice post.
Very insightful, practical and logical. I also think the tactical situation could dictate one or the other of these positions.
Outstanding, Sir Hackathorn!
Very helpful video. Thanks. Love my Wilson Combat EDCX9. Keeping making videos. They are first class.
Excellent lesson, as ALWAYS. Thanks
This was presented as good as it gets and thanks for sharing I learned a lot. 👍🇺🇸
Straight up information. No BS.
correct on perceived legal problems. well said. Use a few practice TTPs, simple perform perfect training and take your time. Great advice.
your info on high ready is way off. The SUL has had so many disarms they can't be counted. there is a much better modified version. the only more dangerous ready is the JY gunfu. soon as you ref JY, you lost it. The only accurate info was keep it holstered until needed, legal perception, action v reaction time.
You can shoot, have contacts in high places but.... The legal stuff sounds exactly like another real gun fighter said years ago. used to get your paper kicked out of thesis committee.
learned to gun fight from Cooper in 85. I'm still around. some are not.
Remember this guy is not a gunfighter. He is a great paper shooter. hands down.
You've just made me change my person position and what I teach in my classes from the high ready position to the sul position. I'll be telling all my students to watch this video. Thank you.
Yeah high ready is not viable. I'm former military and LE.....even we didn't utilize that. We were taught that having your weapon in a position like that, can open you up to being disarmed.
I also teach classes and the three shooting stances I teach are the isosceles, weaver, and modified isosceles. Modified isosceles uses the arms locked out of the isosceles but the bent knees and dropped back foot for balance of the Weaver.
Excellent details here. Thank you for sharing.
We tested position Sul and the high ready position couple years back and found that high ready position was categorically safer, Given the correct angle. Less chance of flagging legs including your own. Position sul we found was too technical in terms of hand placement. Under stress some guys pistols would point to the sides and not straight down.
Let us know what you think.
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First pick the “ready” position the will “fit” your state laws. If you shoot you must be able to justify why you needed to defend yourself.
Then practice that Ready position. It needs to be engrained in your mussel memory. Personally i like hand on gun in holster. Second one I like is next to my head muzzle pointing up.
I am a Kentuckian hand on gun in holster would not be considered brandishing a weapon.
If the aggressive behavior of the other person continues then pull your weapon.
Great video on a topic many people (myself included) don't think about very often if at all. Perhaps the most important part of the video is for everyone to know their local and state statutes as to what's considered a felony and what's considered a misdemeanor. If you ever had to draw your weapon, you could end up a convicted felon by simply drawing the firearm from its holster.
Thank you for the great information!
I clicked here for good advice. No disappointment. Thanks Ken.
great information....thank you
Excellent information! Thank you much.. I love this channel!
The position you showed 4:49 secs thru is the stance i go for the exact reasons u said. That’s how I’ve done it for the past 5 yrs
I like the gun in hand, holstered; I practice presenting from that position.
I'm not concerned with speed as much as being as smooth as possible and with that comes speed.
If it comes out if the holster it's likely because I'm going to shoot.
Thank you!
Excellent Informative vid, I don't understand how anyone can dislike this vid, KNUCKLEHEADS!
I love the masterclass series
Bill, So to get to the temple position from the holster without flagging people? Can get to the sul position from holster without flagging anybody. I use and practice the temple position, but do flash the barrel forward as getting it in position. Nice video.
100% agreed, all excellent points, thanks Ken!
As always, sound and wise advice by Ken. Thank you .
For those of us who Constitutional Carry ( OPEN CARRY ) I find that my most comfortable position is hand on gun in holster. Even if my threat encroaches me point blank still goes bang.
Great tips!
Love this information! Thanks for sharing
Great presentation, Ken!
Another excellent video. Thank you.
Excellent video. Excellent advice. Thank You Ken.
Good stuff. Logical, safe. Thanks
Thank you
Great info Ken
I had to chuckle when he mentioned karate. He's right. Although I practice kata's and a number of difference punching and kicking techniques. For street defense I only practice one specific punch and kick. Like the bullet coming out of my gun, my intent is to put the attacker down as quickly as possible, with no quarter, if I'm attacked.