2016 Ford F 150 Roush 5.0 - Service Charging System - P0620
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- In this video I bring you along for part of the diag on this 2016 Ford F 150 Roush 5.0na. The customer brought it in with a concern that the service charging system light was on although they replaced the battery and the alternator. After confirming the cause of the issue I recalled Ivan did a video on a similar problem with the same truck! Lets have a look shall we...
-Enjoy!
Ivan's Video: • Ford Battery DEAD...in...
Phil's Video: • 2016 Ford F150 P0620 a...
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*Be sure to have a look at Ivan and Phil's videos they both did with similar issues!*
Ivan's Video: th-cam.com/video/25KiQ-J-Z-s/w-d-xo.htmlsi=YawRuHMQGh6jMVIp
Phil's Video: th-cam.com/video/OL9bXxvTZkw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=-4SK0MztveEp-Ro-
appreciate mentioning Phil, hes a great tech amd great friend, his channel is well worth subscribing too!
I would put him at your level Eric and also Ivans!
Hope to see you at TST big event!
@@jordanboulay3780 yes i watch phil he has great video
Not only does kinking the wire stop the flow of electrons, but holes, cracks, splits, and tears can cause an infection.... Identifiable by the green puss.
I watch Phillip too and he also knows his stuff.
No reason to waste a bunch of time rediscovering something someone else has already spent a bunch of time to find. Kudos for giving everyone their credit.
Awesome video Eric, thanks for the shout out! In my opinion this is where the industry is headed... People using resources like TH-cam and Google to diagnose and repair things. Just had the most atrocious experience at an Audi dealership that was supposed to calibrate an air suspension for one of my customers cars. Needless to say they handed me a $620 bill and told me the compressor was broken when I had it running right before dropping the car off 🤬
Hopefully we can change this broken industry for the better! 😉💪
Oh and thumbs down for the butt connectors 👎👎😆😜
Ivan, curious why you haven't verified your channel so you get the checkmark next to your name? 😁
Dealerships have the luxury of having a private nationwide network to pool their knowledge and resources. Independent repair shops dont have that available, so we rely on our own network of fellow wrench turners and of course the internet.
FYI I think Diagnose Dan did the best Ivan shout out.
@@steadyeddie7453 dealerships usually train their techs to be mindless robots and follow the "master diagnostic plan" aka flowchart 😝😝😝
I had a similar problem with my fuel pump relay getting voltage but no amperage... Like you, I went to YT, found someone else who had the same problem... Found a common failure point and had it fixed in 40 mins. YT is a great resource thanks to creators like you.
You Tube is a great source for repairs, auto and others.
I found a South Main Auto video that shows how to check the transmission fluid in our handicap van. 30 seconds of work vs a several hundred dollar tool that you can only get from the dealer.
Phillip Bailey, who knew he was so multi-talented. He fixes cars AND he sang Easy Lover with Phil Collins!
Multi talented.😂
Some say that he even sang in some band called Earth, Wind and Fire.
Ah, before my time. And not my genre. But points awarded anyway!
Waiting for Mr O. To realize the vastness of the researchable how-to database that he’s created with the SMA archive.
If you are pondering if there is value to ‘another dumb brake job’ …. Yes. Not only do you always entertain but you provide a correct how-to roadmap for someone in the future. SMA is an impressive collection of work. Well done !
Agree. Now we need some twist in calipers, electric calipers and parking brake videos
I wonder if any fan has ever created a database/spreadsheet of repairs and models?
@John_Ridley I think scanner Danner has something like that.
Phillip Bailey was my electrical teacher in trade school, incredible teacher, very good with the electrical gremlins.
As a 40 year electrican you have described in my experience is a “ghost voltage”. Old analog show them better then digital meters. Corrosion, a conductor burnt into 2 peace’s but laying in moisture creates it in my experience. Excellent job in explaining it.
A lot of modern digital meters have a "Low Z" mode to simulate the old analog meters. For those who need that. Fluke 115/116/117 for example.
1975 f250 highboy, 3 fuses, 2 wires,,no probs..ausie.. s/duty with a 4.2tdi mwm sprint, german tractor engine, built in brazil. sold world wide, except u.s.. 700nm, 180 kw. no computer..8 yrs no probs, 280ks..97 - 06,ish, then went common rail.. mwm, huge company..
Simpson 260 would never let you down
@@johnl774 I just bought a Simpson 260 at a thrift store for $7 still in it's original packaging. Whoever owned it must have prized it, battery terminals are in pristine condition. One D cell battery and one 9V battery.
Are you sure it's a ghost voltage and not high resistance voltage drop caused by the corrosion? He stated the wire wasn't broken, bust highly corroded based on where he probed the wire from PCM to generator. I would say in this case this isn't a ghost voltage and I thought those were mainly related to AC circuits, not DC?
We haven't had a good whiteboard explanation in a while. I feel educated this morning!
I rarely work on Ford's but I'll tuck this one away in the ol' memory module just in case. I can't tell you how much I've altered my troubleshooting strategy after watching your videos. I learned a lot about circuit chasing from aircraft mechanic school and working as an A&P but vehicles are a next level of complexity and the way you explain things really helps when I'm looking for green electrons running in red wires.
Another great video! You Have inspired me to “If You can do it, I can do it”. After having liquid springs suspension on my Entegra Vision XL (Ford F-53 chassis) in Jan 23, I began to have intermittent ABS issues and would lose cruise control. As my rig was less than a year old, I attempted to get an appointment with a Ford dealer to get it diagnosed and fixed. No Ford dealer within a 250 mile radius would take in (we don’t work on RVs or we have too much work or we don’t have a lift). I even tried calling truck repair shops with the same results. A week ago I finally got a local dealer to hook up to the obd and it was the right rear sensor. They said they couldn’t get it into the shop for over a month, repeating all of their limitation woes. Now that I knew what was wrong, I took it home and removed the sensor and found that the sensor wire had been broken and a crappy repair done to it (I think the guys that installed my $22k suspension must have done it.). I ordered the part from Ford just now and will have it tomorrow. THANK YOU FOR THE INSPIRATION! Your videos are entertaining and educational.
Mr. O: "Two dongers, one hole, that should be a movie." You just know McCoy is going to be sharing that with his buddies! 🤣
It is, on Youporn,
im fairly certain there have been many movies made on that subject.
Search for it on the google
Lots of movies! 🍿
2 holes 3 fingers😊😂
Today's automotive systems are very complicated however you have a unique knack on how to explain them so that those in the lower end of the bell curve with me can understand how things operate and even better yet, how to test them. Rare skill. Glad you're sharing with us.
The only thing that would have made this excellent video even better would have been a cameo by Mrs. O.
I think it's great the you took on a kid to train. I went to a VO-Tech in high school and was well paid through to retirement. During Highschool I was able to work at a college for a half day , getting paid, and then a half day of school to get credits to graduate. I never had any regrets. I watched fellow school-mates go to college wasting their time and money only to go to trade school after. I had no problem getting a job after I graduated and guess what, NO tuition bills. Good for the kid and thanks for taking the time and patients for training , I would think the best he'll every get, in real world work. Also when I did any training I found out how smart or dumb I was, you can't be a bullshitter when training others and I actually learned more. Good Day mate !
Same here...graduated from VOtech college with a diploma. Not a degree😅😅
But with common sense.
I worked in the automotive field for a few years. Then worked in the E to electrical industry. Or power plant as an Control room Operator for 32 yrs and retired.
Through the years. I still put my college years to use. I went from test lights. Bought scanners. Tools. I never considered myself a Technician/qualified/Master/ECT ECT .
I am still an automotive mechanic.
Just yesterday I finished installing a clutch and other work on my neighbor 90 Bronco.
Looks like someone was chasing the clutch issues and finally got rid of the problems.
Now I'm working on another vehicle of mine.
I finally bought a scope because of Mr. O and Ivan. 😅😅
Cheers
vo-tech was great way to check out of you truly liked something enough to make a career out of it.
Same here 77 grad of the auto mechanic's department. Took about 6 months of working on the line to find out I hated it, when I had to do it every day. Went back into construction, started my own company, and semi retired at 40. :) The auto degree saved me a ton of money, over the years, being able to fix my own equipment. Never regretted it, and darned sure never regretted not going to collage. Still not 100% sure what I used in real life that I learned in high school ? LOL
77 was a good year !
@@griffinreitz7041
Philip Bailey is close to me way up north in the green crusty circle. Love his videos. Very underrated channel.
TH-cam saves the day once again. That's the sort of small little thing that would normally have the owner and techs pulling their hair out for many weeks, and on a new enough vehicle have people droppin the "lemon" word a lot
My first job as an electronics technician was repairing test equipment. The equipment used teflon coated wire in cables of up to 100 wires. All of the wires were white, the only color of Teflon insulation available at that time. Teflon insulation was used for high temperature properties. The primary failure mode was broken wire caused by flexing of the cables near the connectors. All connections were soldered with heat shrink covering them. Teflon wire strands are coated in silver prior to applying the insulation, otherwise the copper wire will degrade during the manufacturing of the wire. That presents a unique problem, solder will wick up the wire under the insulation and makes the stranded wire rigid near the solder joints. The wire would break under the insulation. I did a lot of gently pulling wires to find the break. No green crusties. Eric's skills are top notch and using a light bulb as a load is exceptional!
Have loads of respect for mechanics that work week in, week out on electrical and mechanical issues, I'm a DIY mechanic myself, whenever I'm going to tackle a job on my car (Mazda RX8) (or a friend's) my first thing to do is search TH-cam for associated videos, on my drive I've swapped the front subframe, the clutch, radiator(not as easy as most cars as it's almost a V mount) suspension arms front and back to name but a few items. Always look to see if someone else has done it and get your eye in first is what I'm saying.
Keep up the good work.
Yesterday was a bad day for me as all I had to do was replace an oil pressure sensor. First it was the little red lock was on top of the connector and had to be pulled out like a nail, got it out. Second was the connector was so tight to remove from the sensor, got it apart. After removing the sensor and putting in the new sensor I tried to install the connector with no avail. Removed the sensor and found out that the electrode was out of alignment, fixed that. I put the connector back on the sensor and it went on, job done. All that just reminded me of how much I used to like being a mechanic in the past. I've done this for 42 yrs and I have not seen connectors fall off sensors ever that they need a lock on them. Good job.
Great diagnostic and repair, Eric! I remember Ivan's video. It's not cheating if you can get to the fault faster - no need to reinvent the wheel each time - that's the beauty of shared experience!
I worked auto ac out here in san diego starting in 1974 and really appreciate seeing a common skill .They used to call me a wire wiggling SOB in my day . i found the things that break are the things that move!
Interesting having the alternator called a generator in the manual . Since generators are far different than alternators doing the same job making power for the battery. Having said that this is a very good video on what the thing is and is not doing . Fine approach to fixing the problem a great teaching aid. Bravo.
McCoy Is a lucky young man to have you as a mentor and being able to learn the art of deductive reasoning and diagnostics from one of the best. My grandfather taught me and I have used it throughout my engineering career and I am still learning. So thank you for today’s lesson!
Brother, let me inform you of this, as a retired mechanic I still impressed on your troubleshooting skills. Yes in todays environment it takes more than a manual to track the problems and yes, You Tube, the internet are great tools to look into your problems. You keep em coming and I will continue to rat hole what I observe, thank you.
Great to hear McCoy is still on the starship!
He seems to like working with this enterprise😅.
Sounds like he was killing the captains chair lol
Well I think Ford should check out who the heck is making her wiring harnesses and give them a strong worded email...😂
He's a mechanic, NOT A DOCTOR 😷
the trans line bracket was the cause . 2 different engineering depts not talking to each other.@@MoeLarrycurly1
What a tribute to the diagnosticians of the internet and TH-cam. You and Ivan are regulars on my list I need to find Phillips video. You, Ivan and a few others give us hope that there are talented, honest , knowledgeable mechanics looking out for us. Great video and the humility to mention the other guys and give them credit.
Between Eric, Ivan, Keith, and Mr. Danner, I did my first relative compression test with my scope and a low amp clamp the other day. I'm just a DIY'r, no way would I have figured it out without the knowledge shared by these fine gentleman.
Heck yeah, some exclusive late night SMA!
Oooo, Eric! The money shot (14:15) was literally exciting! Watching the green crusties crumble slowly, the "wire" stretch unnaturally, and insulation part with a satisfying snap was cinematic! That's a YT Short for sure!
I do AC Electrical work and have gotten some crazy readings on shorted and corroded wires and circuits under houses etc. and it blows your mind that breakers didn’t kick out
Looks like you were able to catch decent copper for the crimp without going too far back in the wire, the "green growth" likes to travel. Interesting as always Eric, thanks.
To fix the complex cars of today you need all resources. Experience, service data, repair manuals, and even TH-cam. For car repairs this is an excellent resource. Could you figure it out without YT? Yes, but anything that helps speed up the process is well worth it. Great work by all involved!
Your comment rings true. I've done my own DIY on cars since 1980, granted on simpler cars that I keep for a long time. Just got myself a 2016 Citroen C3, TH-cam shows me how to change oil & filter, light bulbs, where the fuses are etc, all simple stuff but now I know after a few videos.
Again, as on other videos you’ve posted, I have to commend your desire to find the issue then find what causes the issue without throwing a bunch of parts at it! I don’t know what you charge for your services but I’m pretty sure you’re going to be keeping the customer from spending needless money! Kudos to you!!
Philip Bailey is close to me way up north in the green crusty circle. Love his videos. Very underrated channel.
Man I wish we had someone like you down here in Lafayette, Louisiana! Love that you take time to teach and find problems and do them correct! Keep it up.
Eric O when you retire you would be a great shop teacher period!!! you show exactly how to get it done your knowledge is something definitely a master/general 5 star technician!!!!
what an education McCoy is getting working at your shop. I know it must be a little difficult to be working, teaching, and doing the TH-cam but we are so grateful for the videos. Sending nothing but good mojo from San Antonio Texas.
Thanks for taking the time to show the compromised wire's power loss and proper alternator command signals. Very informative.
Love that you are teaching McCoy.❤❤❤
Hi Eric & McCoy, Information isn't cheating and neither is knowledge! You have outstanding diagnostic ability Eric , you fix them all buddy, nice job!!
The money shot, it doesn't look like salt. Thank you to all the providers. I have fixed my truck and the main battery in my 06 Prius from watching TH-cam.
I need a money shot compilation! Great vid.
It's good to watch others TH-cam for the same kind of problems you have and try to remember it to. Thanks for the video
Even youtubers watch you tube to learn how to fix stuff. That's beautiful. Kudos for sharing the other fellows videos as well.
Also, sometimes I'm on another screen listening to you work and I'm like, "wait... Did he just start a couch casting video?" LOL
Just remember folks, if Phil can do it, Ivan can do it, and I can do it, you can too!
Thanks Mr O!
Great video! Whether using hints from others or exploring on your own, Eric you never cease to amaze me with your diagnostic skills. Thanks for sharing!
Just want to let you know, I'm on my feet and applauding. What a fantastic find and fix.
Credit to the other two gentlemen as well!
Thank you Eric, I love learning these common failure sources and repairs. Great job.
Love it when creators give props to others. So much better than all of these experts trashing others. Appreciate your videos. Forgive me for not thanking you more for your work
This is why I watch your videos and Ivans vids
TH-cam if used in the right way is a terrific resource of information. Some bad, mostly good. The South Main Auto channel is one of the best. Thanks Mr. O,
Maybe some WD-40 on that stool will take care of that ASMR.
😂
It's time to toss that damn thing. As close as I've ever come to stop watching and I'm one that loves Eric's video. 😊😊
The stool has been in videos for years. Don't fix it, don't get rid of it. It's like a minor cast member now.
no way, that's a harbor freight special, its part of the O family like Luna. I have the same stool, I was on and off it all afternoon today. The creak is the aluminium threatening to collapse but it never does. priceless.
Eric O..giving credit..but again the diagnosis was awesome. This helps even with any tracing of wires for faults. Thank you sir.
I took my wife’s Cadillac XTS to a local shop. 160 for diagnostic. Had her brakes checked everything looks good. Her car would randomly send errors to the display as it lost communication on the CAN bus for the various modules. Because it is electrical they recommended the Stealership. So we’re going to wait till it really breaks. After watching SMA videos I’m guessing it is possibly a bad ground. They don’t check for that stuff unless it is definitive there is a problem.
In a nutshell I can appreciate Eric O ability to figure stuff out.
I would be surprised if anyone this side of the Miss. river that could figure out this type of problem...Great video..
TH-cam has saved me a few time with some fixes and how-tos and how-not-tos. Also, corroded wire? Pfft. You haven't met my last car. You would have sworn someone was feeding it after midnight with the mayhem it was causing. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Ivan today had a green crusty video and miraculously he mentioned you Eric O. Amazing
WE AS TECHS SHARE KNOWLEDGE.ALL CARS/TRUCKS HAVE THE SAME PROBLEMS.GOOD JOB ERIC
My electrical shop teacher when I started in 1960 taught me to learn the job do the job and teach the job words of wisdom that have never left me.
The wisdom ... so important. Thank you, as always, for sharing it Eric.
Eric O.: "We can back probe this and we can see what the signal is on a known good, that way you can put that in your memory bank. Me: "Yeah, right. I can't even remember what I had for breakfast!" 🤣
Or if i had breakfast! LOL Aging and not gracefully.
Another tricky yet thorough electrical debug...great job!
Love the process you always use to find the issues!
FANTASTIC Job once again!! I have a GMC truck with electrical gremlins, a volvo with a won't stay running problem, and I live in California. Damn I wish I lived in New York, Eric would have all my business. Now here's a Mechanic, not a Parts Changer!!!
Great resource to have you and Ivan sharing, thankyou again!❤
I love how tou show how you can test the integrety of a circuit with a ood 4 amp test bulb, simple and cheap.🤜🤛
TH-cam can be better than Alldata and really beneficial to the other shops and the DIY'er
Great Video and Fix Eric! Loved the pre fix explanation to understand what you were seeing. TH-cam is a wonderful resource unless we take everything for real. LOL Nice use of your resources to save time and aggravation. Thanks for sharing!
Just subscribed Eric O. You’re the man! Your channel is now 1 of only 3 subs I have.
Thanks for another great video. Clear, concise and in everyday english for the average joe.
You dirty goof ball of a hero.
Appreciate your real nature, and sharing of information.
Thanks for yet another smile, chuckle, and "well I'll be".
I have learned a lot by watching your videos. Thanks bunches!
Great video. Like the way that you and Ivan always give credit where credit is due!
I've learned so much from you, Ivan, Jake, Matt, and so many others it isn't even funny. I've been spinning wrenches for over forty years and I'm still learning. Thank you very much for the invaluable education.
Just had a 13 f150 towed in with battery light on and service charging system fault codes In the pcm charged the battery and went to put my meter on it! Found the positive terminal absolutely obliterated with corrosion said to my customer let’s do the low hanging fruit, replaced 5 year old battery and was able to get a repair cable end from the dreaded Dorman company 😂, it was actually a good repair end, cleared the codes and so far 3 road test and letting in run with the meter on and it’s been charging 14.3 volts steady, so I believe the battery terminal corrosion caused the pcm to turn off the charging system. Or I have another problem that hasn’t reoccured yet 😮 after watching this video I think it would be worth a look in that area to see if I have an issue like you found. I told the customer that I didn’t want to give to back to them until I was sure it was ok.
Thanks for the shout out!
This thorough explanation was very informative and well presented. TH-cam is certainly a helpful resource, when you can find that someone has diagnosed something very similar to what you are diagnosing. And I like the whiteboard, with Scotty in the upper left corner. It was very professional of you to not break into a Scotty impersonation while you were at the white board.
Iv watched pine hollow a few times before, but i watch Philip Bailey all the time, i also live about 3.5 hours down the road from Philip in the ol salt belt, Canada
Loving the white board explaining the possible reason for the problem ! Guess the DW 20 is a special wire and then 5 W 30 is a special relay that connects to the drums??????? LOL LOL
Ohh you guys are doing a great job there and diagnostic is diagnostic and you're all doing it well Ivan and and Phil and all the other youtubers that I watch being a Simi retired mechanic it's always fun to see what's going on in the real world
Question: Does McCoy ever get tested on what he's learning?
You Tube is a great source for repairs, auto and others.
Good job Eric and McCoy.
BTW: We don't get to see Mrs. O enough, because it's always nice to see Mrs. O.
Out of all the inventions i think the dry erase board is the most remarkable.
Thank you I am going and check my ford 2014 truck thanks Phill ,Ivan and you great video
I have ran into that same issue on these trucks w/ the 2.7L Ecoboost. Same exact spot. Great video!
Great video. And kudos for giving credit where credit to others. Good mechanics/technicians will help each other and not steal the other fellas thunder. One strand can show the voltage but not handle the current, learned that the hard way years ago
Reinforcement of not throwing the parts cannon at the problem! I had a no charge issue with my 2003 Ranger. Bought a new alternator. No fix. Looked at the factory service manual. The step before replacing the alternator was to test out the charge reference circuit. On this model year with the 4.0L, the generator reference was a wire tied back to the battery positive protected with a fusible link. The fusible link got all green and fuzzy. I removed the green fuzz and tied the fusible link back in. No problems since!
New SMA slogan: "If Ivan can do it, we can do it!" :D
Good on you Eric for once again achieving the improbable and finding the green crusties. I'm honestly astonished every time how you find the exact spot where the wire's broken. ✌
Man, you are really good at finding pus-filled, infected wiring. Dang.... really good. Time for new eyes for the closeups. Yes, you and Ivan, the both of you.
Your drawings are getting better !!!! 🖍🔃↗🔄🔀 NY sure has a lot of green pus filled wires in their vehicles !!! Love it when a corroded wire gives the money shot "" Snap "" when pulled on !!!! Well done Eric and apprentice !!!!!
When you were picking at the green crusty it reminded me of a hoof trimmer opening up an abscess in my favorite cow’s hoof. A tiny black spot turned into an oozing mess.
Way to go Ford.Ya lets run this wiring harness right AGAINST this METAL bracket. Cuz you know it wont wear threw those soft vinyl coated wires. Nice job Eric, Ivan and Phillip .
In today's video from PHAD, Ivan did a tribute to Eric O. Then I see SMA where Eric O. does a tribute to Ivan. Loved the crimp and seal jab, BTW.
Your drawing was perfect and made it all make a lot of sense, well done....MCoy and audience gets a Free Graduate Course Lesson courtesy of South Main Auto LLC !
Pretty awesome find! I used pine hollow and your old video to diag and repair a corroded wire in my 07 Expedition in the same spot
OK, I’ll left the comment. Period. Good video by the way and a good use of resources. Thanks for all you do.
Another brilliant video, even if it is extolling the prior work of others. There is no point reinventing the wheel.to repair a common fault. Time is money!!
Dang, it must be hard to stay humble when you are that good at what you do.😂
Hey Eric, now you know how many of us DIYers survive: TH-cam!! And that's how we found the "real thing" in guys like you and Ivan. Thanks for all of us who have learned so much from all you guys. Wish I could be a fraction that helpful to someone else, but I'm just a computer nerd 😂.
Never a long video from you Eric. Thanks for all you do bud. 👍👍👍👍👍
Thank you for all the work you put into your videos.
Always enjoy watching your troubleshooting videos, thanks for sharing…stay blessed
What scope is that?