For any early adopters, there was an issue with the droppers that spit the carts into the watersteam. This has now been fixed in the schematics and world download.
This is an absolutely beautiful system. My mind was blown about 10 times over throughout the video. Im so glad people are catching on to the usefulness of cart storage since there is still so much room for practical improvement.
Fascinating! I love seeing all the new speed-focused optimizations for cart-based MIS coming out. Another recent example being Toots_Thielemans with a concept for overcoming the strictly less than hopper speed constraint of Maizuma's categorizer by using cart yeeting and allay pickup to recycle the whitelist cart's blocker items faster. If you haven't yet, it's worth checking it out; the video is well-made and well-explained
Its crazy how many recent small tweaks are used to make this awesome sorter work. This wouldn't be possible without mangrove roots, waterlogged rails, scaffolding, or hoppercarts staying in item form... Or without the genuis of the raptallon duo of course.
FYI if you are about to build this, ensure that you build it from bottom up and don’t need to expand it later. Upon trying to expand an existing system you will find that the rails update each other such that you need to rebuild several layers of the whole machine. (Correct me if I’m wrong)
Cant wait to see more improvements! The sorting speed is incredible! The only thing that i am worried about is dealing with the directional rails in survival.
I love this, using v3 is also an incredible idea and its exactly what i would expect from raps. I love seeing more tech by talon, too. This is so, so nice. And it looks amazing. Just for the record, yall came close to a 1wide mis, i did it! I did it silent! Completly useless and horrible but i did it so long ago. Just to prove talon wrong. This is still my biggest proud moment. Lol.
This took me the better part of a day to build IRL, in creative... but after finally figuring out all the components and the innerworkings of the system i gotta say, well done, can't wait for V2. 2 things to note if you are using the schematic for the second variant, without the normal chest input, the "throw items here" variant, you will need 8 additional glass blocks to close in the outermost cart destroyers and move the unsorted cart yeeter in 1 (closer to the main build) block so it lines up correctly with the corresponding cart destroyer track below.
I just build your stack separation sorter. If the carts take in stacks anyway, you can use both together and have a multi item stack separation sorter. You are crazy
I'm excited to see this! It's probably too expensive for me to build at the moment, but the lack of blockers is very enticing. I've been recently playing with a similar idea but with the cart being sent out after an item match is found. It's nowhere near as fast from what I can tell, but it might be a fruitful way to increase simplicity.
This is a pretty great system! The only (and also pretty big) downside is the rail placement unfortunately... Can't wait to see the improvements you all make to the system, including (hopefully) ease of construction.
Maaaaan I am ALMOST done building Lummie’s V2 system, wish I’d seen this first! Hopefully the upgrades are minimal (no blocker items sounds super nice tho)
Man, this is insane! I rly admire you for these kind of builds. The V2 is bscly flawless from my testing, but had some issues with V1 where items got destroyed idk if that is normal but its not happening on V2 so i dont rly care (btw is this design ment for 1.19.4 or 1.20.1/2?). Great work and please keep it up!
00:31 "we actually came close to making a true 1wt mis", then they didnt, then i did! And it was horrible! So every time i hear this i imagine raps going "and then moony did" and like very loud fireworks
I would love to see this with a more traditional input that doesn't burn shulker boxes. Cart yeeting allows for quite fast box unloading already, it only needs to be synchronized with the despawn protection. Also, the 1-wide version is ginormous, surely there has to be a way to make that configuration more compact, similar to the MIS v4 and v5 1-wide layouts.
i personally like the monnymis more because minecart mis when it breaks it breaks completely and its very hard to fix them i once build one on a server and it kept on breaking even with a chunkloader
Shame I can't build this on my survival world as I'm still on 1.16, I'd really love to as this is so fast! However, my current storage system is based on V4 and V4.2 modules and I love it too! Never going back to chest monsters lol
@RaPsCaLLioN1138 A question about the multi item filters please! in the 1-wide version, do I have to put 2 of each kind? How many slots can I fill, is there an upper limit, or I can have 54 different items (in pairs) in the filter i.e 54 items per slice?
Continueing my tradition of building a Rap MIS in every season, this is gonna be great. Quick question: How does the lag and chunk unloading compare to the v4.2?
hm, i wonder if i can use this as like a sorting system to unload certain items to a designated water stream, almost to how cubicmetre showed on one of his videos (can't remember which) where he uses a multi item sorter of his to identify whether an item should go to a bulk storage slice or to just a regular chest slice. the reason why I'm considering using this rather than cubic's is because as more and more items get added into the game, i want to expand the mis as time goes on to support more items and cubic hasn't really explained well enough how to expand his.
I'm curious about people's experience with this now that it's been out a while, particularly recovery scenarios if loading issues occur. I've built Moony's MISv5, but struggling on the occasional unloaded chunk and the recovery afterwards. Looking through a gazillion droppers is painful (particularly ones I cannot see without removing components).
I don't get nearly the same amount of help requests with this build as I do about MIS V5 (and earlier versions). Granted, there's likely less people building this. It is more stable. But if something does go wrong, there's going to be carts everywhere, and some items stuck in hoppers. Don't forget to check out V2.
Just built this on a survival server! construction was easier than expected only requiring a few temporarily rails to make the placement pretty painless. And it works great! ...most of the time. I've been having issues with minecarts get stuck and clogging up the system and I don't know why. The location of the traffic jams is not consistent and it isn't due to chunks unloading.
We need proper comparisons listing advantages and disadvantages of various sorters. measures like speed, ease of building, unload resistance, server reliability, size requirements, shulker support, lag efficiency etc.
How unload-resistant is the design overall? I currently have Cass's recategorizer on my realm, and without turning the entire system off before everyone logs off, it catastrophically breaks, and takes forever to reset all the whitelists. Does this system break with unloading, and if it does, how long does it take to fix?
Apparently it doesn't typically break at all when it gets unloaded. (I assume it depends a bit on chunk alignment, but seems generally quite resilient.)
tradicionalmente se ponen las calabazas cuando vas a poner una antorcha sobre ella para identificar que ese bloque lleva una antorcha de redstone. Lo verás en muchos redstoners. Pero pudes usar cualquier bloque. Es más una manía en la comunidad de redstone que otra cosa.
How i wish u should have consider building it which more important coz no one needs it in creative and also making for the nether for pple who wants to build part of their base in the nether
Cool and all but not very practical. Given all the problems with mine carts and chunk loading/unloading and what ever other reason the suddenly stop. Makes this what I would call a 'brittle systems'. I think that water pushing the cart will help as it will push it from a dead stop and get it started again. But the cars bunching up because the server can't load a chunk or the random tick-drops that the server does during a cpu spike would likely throw your timing off like the other multi item sorting systems. Have you tested any of that?
If you aren't on fabric or vanilla those are definitely big concerns. If you are on those, recent versions are generally pretty stable with loading/unloading carts, and it is only really complete crashes that you need to be concerned about. Water helps with the complete crashes, but even without it it is fairly hard to break as is (and mistiming just mean the cart will end up getting sent to the unsorted slice). So while a little skepticism is definitely valid, I disagree that it is "not practical" at all. Just don't use paper... which is pretty hard to justify using now anyways.
@@inspectortalon I'll give you that 'not practical' is directly proportional to how much you enjoy fiddling/fixing red stone after the project is done. I'm also pretty sure these systems work on single player worlds when you stand around and wait for things to complete (as per their testing). But in the real world server spikes and chunk loading/unloading break a lot of 'brittle' red stone and stuff with mine carts topping that list. I don't use mods of any kind. I just try to make my red stone projects tolerant to vanilla servers. But I can't get away from hopper mine carts for collection in some of them. Which is a ton easier to fix now that you can get in a one high area but it's still annoying.
@@lucidmoses we tested this on servers and had lag tests. We also have others performing further testing to ensure reliability, and so far it has been fairly robust. I dont think these claims are substantiated by the data.
@@inspectortalonSee, I said nothing about lag as I don't think (but can't prove) that lag has anything to do with it. Even lag so bad it causes desyncs can cause the client to look goofy but as far a I know the red stone is still processed on the server side correctly. So, of course you are not going to convince me of that as I have first hand experience with it. However, are you saying that all the TH-camrs out there on vanilla servers are lying to there viewers? Especially the popular channels that have a lot to loose over being dishonest like that? And what about the few channels that deal with making red stone that is not 'brittle'. Is this all a big conspiracy except for you? :p
@@lucidmoses you said "world server spike" which would only happen from lag, which is why i referred to it as lag. Popular youtubers aren't always the best informed, and I'm talking to you about newer versions which are more stable. Older versions had more issues with carts, but they are less common now (unless the server crashes, in which case all bets are off for any redstone). An ethos argument isn't really something to go off of compared to the testing that we have done to verify reliability under the constraints you are concerned about. People can be misinformed, including myself, so do not misunderstand me and take this as saying those channels are lying. Intent matters.
![It just keeps getting better! [Cart-Based Multi-Item Sorter + Hybrid Storage]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/9eHcvMi7HUw/mqdefault.jpg)
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My soul hurts knowing how much pain i'm gonna be in setting the rails properly, I'd really love for mojang to add a wrench item just for rails
This is like the best idea ever.
I'm sorry, they can't do that. But they can nerf villagers and add phantoms.
You could try using litematica's "easy placement". Though I still won't fully resolve those issues, it'll just prevent connecting adjacent rails.
你不能用carpet吗
Yay! This is seriously awesome. I love the cart sorter idea and I'm so glad it's got the traction in the community that it has.
:D
I remember helping out back when you did your cart based system. It's cool to see how this stuff has evolved.
For any early adopters, there was an issue with the droppers that spit the carts into the watersteam. This has now been fixed in the schematics and world download.
Thanks
This is an absolutely beautiful system. My mind was blown about 10 times over throughout the video. Im so glad people are catching on to the usefulness of cart storage since there is still so much room for practical improvement.
what are the pros and cons of your 2.0 version and this? because this one looks way more painful to build than the 2.0.
thanks
@lummiethief upp
so cool! i love the storage tech improvements with cart yeeting!
Woohoo!!! Cart MIS!!!!
I have been waiting for this. I wanted to build my storage this week, thank you for your impeccable timing.
got to say...been waiting for this one. Glad it's finally here. Implementing now.
this is awesome! the rails seem like they would be tough to build at large scale in survival but all those rail tricks are also really cool
As expected, absolute Ws from the collab, you love to see it. Looking forward to what you guys can pull off in the future!
Incredible, Lummie's MIS was already so incredible and these innovations just make it all even more impressive. Just WOW!
WOW!! AMAZING!!!
Those rails are crazy!
I would be so terrified of using water in my redstone lol
Great to see more development of the multi-sorter concept!
For anyone that was wondering, this works on PaperMC
Finally our 2 kings joined the party! Ive been waiting for that moment :D
Fascinating! I love seeing all the new speed-focused optimizations for cart-based MIS coming out.
Another recent example being Toots_Thielemans with a concept for overcoming the strictly less than hopper speed constraint of Maizuma's categorizer by using cart yeeting and allay pickup to recycle the whitelist cart's blocker items faster. If you haven't yet, it's worth checking it out; the video is well-made and well-explained
Its crazy how many recent small tweaks are used to make this awesome sorter work. This wouldn't be possible without mangrove roots, waterlogged rails, scaffolding, or hoppercarts staying in item form... Or without the genuis of the raptallon duo of course.
FYI if you are about to build this, ensure that you build it from bottom up and don’t need to expand it later. Upon trying to expand an existing system you will find that the rails update each other such that you need to rebuild several layers of the whole machine. (Correct me if I’m wrong)
I never knew that redstone had such specialists. Sorters sure, but minecart yeeters? Once again great job on the vid.
Cant wait to see more improvements! The sorting speed is incredible! The only thing that i am worried about is dealing with the directional rails in survival.
This is awesome! I can't wait to see how y'all improve on it in the future
Love how much the MIS improves.
So sick. Can’t wait to see the improvements you make!
I love this, using v3 is also an incredible idea and its exactly what i would expect from raps. I love seeing more tech by talon, too. This is so, so nice. And it looks amazing.
Just for the record, yall came close to a 1wide mis, i did it! I did it silent! Completly useless and horrible but i did it so long ago. Just to prove talon wrong. This is still my biggest proud moment. Lol.
WOW!! Awesome work 👍
This took me the better part of a day to build IRL, in creative... but after finally figuring out all the components and the innerworkings of the system i gotta say, well done, can't wait for V2. 2 things to note if you are using the schematic for the second variant, without the normal chest input, the "throw items here" variant, you will need 8 additional glass blocks to close in the outermost cart destroyers and move the unsorted cart yeeter in 1 (closer to the main build) block so it lines up correctly with the corresponding cart destroyer track below.
I havent played minecraft in a while but still enjoy watching your videos and the progressing edge of storage
I just build your stack separation sorter. If the carts take in stacks anyway, you can use both together and have a multi item stack separation sorter. You are crazy
Yes! It's here! Thanks for the hard work 💪
Oh man oh man here it is 🔥🔥
Absolutely incredible can't wait to see how this tech develops
I'm excited to see this! It's probably too expensive for me to build at the moment, but the lack of blockers is very enticing.
I've been recently playing with a similar idea but with the cart being sent out after an item match is found. It's nowhere near as fast from what I can tell, but it might be a fruitful way to increase simplicity.
really innovative stuff, might do a block by block tutorial on v2 or v3 in the future if that's alr with you
For sure. I'm on the server so hit me up if you need anything!
@@RaPsCaLLioN1138 sounds great!
Do the inovations ever cease!?!?!?!?
Thats the thing, ryan! They dont!
@@MoonyInspired there's too many things to build :'( at least storage tech is my passion
@@ryanthescion our passion, ryan, our passion.
even if it would stop at some point, any new update can completely change the game. Look at how many new mechanics are used here.
This is a pretty great system! The only (and also pretty big) downside is the rail placement unfortunately... Can't wait to see the improvements you all make to the system, including (hopefully) ease of construction.
I can't wait to see whats next!
whoa. i have no saw the video yet, but whoa!
Underrated - this is so cool
Love your Video i was searching for Something Like this
LFG baby!!
Looks amazing!
you surpassed me, and I even felt sad that I could not offer my version. good luck
Fantastic
Maaaaan I am ALMOST done building Lummie’s V2 system, wish I’d seen this first! Hopefully the upgrades are minimal (no blocker items sounds super nice tho)
Man, this is insane! I rly admire you for these kind of builds. The V2 is bscly flawless from my testing, but had some issues with V1 where items got destroyed idk if that is normal but its not happening on V2 so i dont rly care (btw is this design ment for 1.19.4 or 1.20.1/2?). Great work and please keep it up!
1.19+
@@RaPsCaLLioN1138 Thanks!
my god...
crool
NICE
I recently built a MIS by “cazu”. It might not be the best but I really like it.
Also InspectorTalon’s passion for carts is so fun to watch!
This is absolutely incredible!! I just wish I could build it in my Superflat let’s play😢
I spy with my little eye: a CWG fan
😢 i guess its time to start GMISv3..
😯
GCartMIS
00:31 "we actually came close to making a true 1wt mis", then they didnt, then i did! And it was horrible! So every time i hear this i imagine raps going "and then moony did" and like very loud fireworks
We did technically get a working design, but it was so bad we just didnt bother optimizing it or pursuing it further
@@inspectortalon i know, and i made it without pistons! Not that it was good but
@@MoonyInspired the parallel categorizer will be truly 1wt and simple tho 😎
@@inspectortalon imagine
I would love to see this with a more traditional input that doesn't burn shulker boxes. Cart yeeting allows for quite fast box unloading already, it only needs to be synchronized with the despawn protection. Also, the 1-wide version is ginormous, surely there has to be a way to make that configuration more compact, similar to the MIS v4 and v5 1-wide layouts.
CartMIS V2 :)
is there going to be a block by block on this?? that would be so dope
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I am looking forward to v2 I need something like that for my sorting system. The unload resiliency is good for someone like me.
i personally like the monnymis more because minecart mis when it breaks it breaks completely and its very hard to fix them i once build one on a server and it kept on breaking even with a chunkloader
Awesome design!! Hey, what mod are you using to show the comparator strength charts while in an inventory?
Damn, you beat me to it XD
This is incredible
Now I'm confused should i try building this or the multi item sorter v5
Shame I can't build this on my survival world as I'm still on 1.16, I'd really love to as this is so fast! However, my current storage system is based on V4 and V4.2 modules and I love it too! Never going back to chest monsters lol
@RaPsCaLLioN1138 A question about the multi item filters please! in the 1-wide version, do I have to put 2 of each kind? How many slots can I fill, is there an upper limit, or I can have 54 different items (in pairs) in the filter i.e 54 items per slice?
Continueing my tradition of building a Rap MIS in every season, this is gonna be great. Quick question: How does the lag and chunk unloading compare to the v4.2?
Lag about the same. But much, much more unload resistant!
@@RaPsCaLLioN1138 Fantastic! At least this time I caught the new design before designing my storage for the new season! Time to get cracking XD
hm, i wonder if i can use this as like a sorting system to unload certain items to a designated water stream, almost to how cubicmetre showed on one of his videos (can't remember which) where he uses a multi item sorter of his to identify whether an item should go to a bulk storage slice or to just a regular chest slice.
the reason why I'm considering using this rather than cubic's is because as more and more items get added into the game, i want to expand the mis as time goes on to support more items and cubic hasn't really explained well enough how to expand his.
I'm curious about people's experience with this now that it's been out a while, particularly recovery scenarios if loading issues occur. I've built Moony's MISv5, but struggling on the occasional unloaded chunk and the recovery afterwards. Looking through a gazillion droppers is painful (particularly ones I cannot see without removing components).
I don't get nearly the same amount of help requests with this build as I do about MIS V5 (and earlier versions). Granted, there's likely less people building this. It is more stable. But if something does go wrong, there's going to be carts everywhere, and some items stuck in hoppers. Don't forget to check out V2.
Thanks for the feedback!!@@RaPsCaLLioN1138
how does the chest part handle the items if it uses hoppers when this is 16x speed?
i want to try and build something like this on bedrock
Just built this on a survival server! construction was easier than expected only requiring a few temporarily rails to make the placement pretty painless. And it works great! ...most of the time. I've been having issues with minecarts get stuck and clogging up the system and I don't know why. The location of the traffic jams is not consistent and it isn't due to chunks unloading.
Hit me up on Discord. I'd love to take a look.
Does it work on paper ?
/get banned/
Bro too many many mis's are being made i dont know which to choose anymore
Well, it's pretty obvious that you should choose this one ;P
We need proper comparisons listing advantages and disadvantages of various sorters.
measures like speed, ease of building, unload resistance, server reliability, size requirements, shulker support, lag efficiency etc.
When is the tutorial 😬
Came here because Scorpio. Love your channel and video so much. Can I have your shader and resource pack' names please?
About the moony mis V5 does it works in servers?
What mods do you use?
How unload-resistant is the design overall? I currently have Cass's recategorizer on my realm, and without turning the entire system off before everyone logs off, it catastrophically breaks, and takes forever to reset all the whitelists.
Does this system break with unloading, and if it does, how long does it take to fix?
Apparently it doesn't typically break at all when it gets unloaded. (I assume it depends a bit on chunk alignment, but seems generally quite resilient.)
@@TheRealWormbo that would be AMAZING
everything is perfect except one thing unstackable items, hope we will se this addon in 2.0. GOOD LUCK
I play on a server where hopper work on 8 by 8 item, one time a second, so i hope i could adapat it for this use
Really cool design. Can you overload it and despawn items by inputting to many of one category? I've had that issue with lummie's design.
No, you cannot overload it!
Is there a schematic for this system that just unloads shulkers without destroying them?
Check V2 on the Storage Tech discord... video coming soon.
If you are concerned with items despawning, wire in a dolphin somewhere!
That wont help at all.
Amogus
How do you deal with the white lister if you have 64 items? Are you pulling one and then re-adding it?
I watched earlier and you glossed over it a bit (well you did explain it but I couldn’t see exactly how you accomplished it)
@@kalancosta7650 what do you mean by that? You just put 2 of item you want to sort and then you are rdy to go.
Una pregunta, por que utilizas calabazas, no es igual un bloque solido?
tradicionalmente se ponen las calabazas cuando vas a poner una antorcha sobre ella para identificar que ese bloque lleva una antorcha de redstone. Lo verás en muchos redstoners. Pero pudes usar cualquier bloque. Es más una manía en la comunidad de redstone que otra cosa.
How i wish u should have consider building it which more important coz no one needs it in creative and also making for the nether for pple who wants to build part of their base in the nether
MISCART
Cool system but it looks like a freakin pain to build with those dumb curved rails
Anyone tested it on paper server ?
Cool and all but not very practical. Given all the problems with mine carts and chunk loading/unloading and what ever other reason the suddenly stop. Makes this what I would call a 'brittle systems'. I think that water pushing the cart will help as it will push it from a dead stop and get it started again. But the cars bunching up because the server can't load a chunk or the random tick-drops that the server does during a cpu spike would likely throw your timing off like the other multi item sorting systems. Have you tested any of that?
If you aren't on fabric or vanilla those are definitely big concerns. If you are on those, recent versions are generally pretty stable with loading/unloading carts, and it is only really complete crashes that you need to be concerned about. Water helps with the complete crashes, but even without it it is fairly hard to break as is (and mistiming just mean the cart will end up getting sent to the unsorted slice). So while a little skepticism is definitely valid, I disagree that it is "not practical" at all. Just don't use paper... which is pretty hard to justify using now anyways.
@@inspectortalon I'll give you that 'not practical' is directly proportional to how much you enjoy fiddling/fixing red stone after the project is done. I'm also pretty sure these systems work on single player worlds when you stand around and wait for things to complete (as per their testing). But in the real world server spikes and chunk loading/unloading break a lot of 'brittle' red stone and stuff with mine carts topping that list.
I don't use mods of any kind. I just try to make my red stone projects tolerant to vanilla servers. But I can't get away from hopper mine carts for collection in some of them. Which is a ton easier to fix now that you can get in a one high area but it's still annoying.
@@lucidmoses we tested this on servers and had lag tests. We also have others performing further testing to ensure reliability, and so far it has been fairly robust. I dont think these claims are substantiated by the data.
@@inspectortalonSee, I said nothing about lag as I don't think (but can't prove) that lag has anything to do with it. Even lag so bad it causes desyncs can cause the client to look goofy but as far a I know the red stone is still processed on the server side correctly.
So, of course you are not going to convince me of that as I have first hand experience with it. However, are you saying that all the TH-camrs out there on vanilla servers are lying to there viewers? Especially the popular channels that have a lot to loose over being dishonest like that? And what about the few channels that deal with making red stone that is not 'brittle'.
Is this all a big conspiracy except for you? :p
@@lucidmoses you said "world server spike" which would only happen from lag, which is why i referred to it as lag. Popular youtubers aren't always the best informed, and I'm talking to you about newer versions which are more stable. Older versions had more issues with carts, but they are less common now (unless the server crashes, in which case all bets are off for any redstone). An ethos argument isn't really something to go off of compared to the testing that we have done to verify reliability under the constraints you are concerned about. People can be misinformed, including myself, so do not misunderstand me and take this as saying those channels are lying. Intent matters.
Can you do a tutorial for us console players!! Schematics is no good for us 😩😩😩😩 I love this build
I don't think this would even work on bedrock so
This doesnt work on console editions.
Obligatory: Will this work on Bedrock?
No
try making one for bedrock ahahahaha