Can you discuss the differences between Black Glimmerglass as opposed to OG Glimmerglass? The diffusion triangle is horrible as a reference (It shows Black Pro Mist leaning further from contrast reduction than Black Satin LOL) so I really have nothing to go on. Do you get more skin smoothing then from Glimmerglass and Black Glimmerglass than Black Satin? (The triangle says you do not...) and how would you compare smoothness between Glimmerglass & Black Glimmerglass? What strength do you use? Lots of very useful information could be elucidated here as you've used them all
David, thanks for introducing me to the Black Satin 3. I kept it when I switched from Canon M50 to iPhone 12 Pro Max for interviews, mostly with women artists. I really like the look. Thanks for explaining the difference - I'll probably sell the 77mm Black Satin and buy smaller Black Satin and Glimmerglass. The Black Satin will be for music and other events where a little more dramatic look will be nice; the Glimmerglass will be for the interviews. Love your improved set design.
Great thinking there! Diffusion filters I think are extremely helpful since the sensors and lenses are so sharp these days, it’s a artistic tool we can use when needed 🙏🙌
Thanks for this! I just bought my first matte box and I haven't decided on what filters I want to start my (eventual) collection with. That Glimmerglass looks beautiful.
Congrats on the matte box! Glimmerglass definitely has a very clean and polished look to it and depending on how strong you want the effect to be you could have a 1/4 for subtle effects and a 1 for stronger effects
You didn't give filter strengths. You didn't give focal lengths (read that the filtration increases with focal length, considerably). You didn't even shoot the same scenes or light the same. Quite bizarre choices for someone so versed in cine. Decidedly low-effort.
Thanks for the comparison..i want to get a glimmerglass filter to reduce the sharpness of the image and get some highlight defusion. i'm just not sure about the strength. I was thinking to get a 1 but then saw that you use a 1/2 strength. can you recommend one or the other for my use case? thank you!(:
Thanks for the review. However, since I already have a Tiffen Black Pro Mist #1, I decided to buy a Tiffen Black Pro Mist #3 soft focus filter instead.
Nice comparison on these, I've got the glimmerglass on order the IRND glimmerglass 0.9 and 1.2, just waiting for them to come. They had a sale and each glass was only $138 each so jumped on it as soon as I saw it since 4x5 filters are expensive and thats why I avoided but always wanted them.
@@atdavidlee tbh I checked them out a few days before and they was close to $600 per glass and then seen another review and on the off chance I rechecked as I was curious and boom I was running for my wallet lol. I just don't have a matte box to hold them psml lol but shhhhhh need to sort that out now
@@atdavidlee I was looking at this and the smallrig and might just get the two not sure yet as I like how small the tilta js so that will make it easier when traveling then the smallrig as its quite a bit larger when I don't need to do a lot of hiking
What strength diffusion are you using with black satin and Glimmerglass? Also would that particular strengths be great for women make up tutorials videos in your opinion? Great video!!!!!
@@atdavidlee so a black satin 2 (currently the only one not on backorder) would be something similar to a black glimmerglass 1/2 perhaps? And a black satin 1 like a 1/4 black glimmer? I mean roughly. Is that both in terms of strenght of softening and strenght of bloom would you say?
Great explanation and clever analogy with grain - thanks a lot! Very helpful. Do you know if the circular Glimmer glass filter has any differences in it's look compared to the 4x5 Black Glimmer glass? It seems like there's no circular Black Glimmer Glass filter on the market.
For some reason tiffen never made a black Glimmerglass in circular size 🤷🏻♂️, but the differences from what I’ve seen are that regular Glimmerglass won’t give you lifted contrast compared to the black version
@@atdavidlee Thank you for the reply! In your opinion, would circular Black Satin preserve the shadows better then circular Glimmer Glass of a similar strength?
Thank you for your grat video. Have you any experience with using simultaneously diffusion filter and ND filter (variable ND filter) ? Isn't there any negative optical collision?
You’ll get reflections when you stack filters like that at least with screw on filters. Nothing you can really do unless you invest in a matte box and go with 4x5.65 filters
Thanks for the video! Do you think the Glimmerglass 1 strength is similar to the BPM 1/8? On the official Tiffen filters video it does seem so. I already have the BPM 1/4 and I'm looking for a more subtle diffusion strength to keep permanently on my lens for everyday photography. Trying to decide between Glimmerglass 1 and BMP 1/8. Also have you tried the K&F black mist filters? They seem to be as good as Tiffen but cheaper. I'm considering their 1/8 strength too. Thanks!
Great Video Lee ! I didn't even know Glimmerglass was an option. I've always heard about Pro Mist. Now, I'll have to figure out the strength. 1/4 Seems appealing because it can be subtle. What would be next stop above that ? Do you think 1/4 is good option for all around use ? Thanks in advance !
@@atdavidlee yikes ! Yes I can imagine if you have a project lined up already and you need equipment ASAP that's slightly stressful. I'll try eBay if I have to haha. Thanks again, I'll tag you on IG once I start using this filter and post on my feed. Have a great weekend !🤙🏼
@@atdavidlee I'm confused - pro mist is rated in 1/4, 1/8 etc. Are those equivalent to glimmerglass 1, 3, 5 somehow? I'd like the equivalent "strength" of black pro mist 1/8.
Great content. If you don’t mind share, what do you use for the talking head shot you are doing in this video. I have been struggling to get this answer. Thanks in advance for any help.
@@atdavidlee Thanks Brother. ? Would the Glimmer Glass 1 work in your Studio setting or would I get some strange artifacts? Or would 1/4 for a cleaner look, I do not want crazy Bloom in the Studio. BTW Thank You for the insight this is a Unicorn 🦄 Topic.. hard to find the answer you seek 😂
@@atdavidlee 😂. Thanks, I like the look of the Glimmer Glass 1. I will try that one, hopefully it’s not too much as I do most of my content like your talk head shots. Otherwise I will have to buy the 1/4 for more everyday work… I wanted to get the best general use level.
It's a question that often causes confusion, whether the diffusion filter be in front of or behind the ND filter, does the transmission effect image quality if it comes close to the lens at the back?
For three level matte box, the filtrations from outside to inside should be Cut (ND), Correct (Color or Pola), and then diffusion. Wrong sequence will cause reflection between filtrations.
Neither wash out the image which is why I like them, only promist will milk out the image. The other two will increase highlight bloom and contrast levels the denser you go
I am filming with a camera that doesn't have an anti-aliasing filter on the sensor. I am interested to see if a diffusion filter would help a little bit to make the details more softer so there is less aliasing problems. Wich one do you suggest? and are there more cheapers filters that also does the job?
Good question! To help with aliasing a diffusion filter might not help all too much unless you went really heavy with the intensity. You’d probably want to try softening the image in post or use a lens that isn’t sharp to help more
Can you use the tiffen black satin 1 or glimmerglass 1 as kind of always on filter? Im pretty new into filters, just have the black pro mist 1/4 because its almost the only one you dont need to Import ( im from europe). The blooming is often outside to strong with the 1/4 . Not sure how hard the blooming is with the other ones . The black satin 1 seems really nice but im not sure if its already to strong.
Thanks for the question! As far as blooming strength I’d say black pro mist 1/4 is about the same strength as Glimmerglass 1. I’d recommend a 1/4 Glimmerglass to get the benefits with just subtle blooming. Black satin is really nice at a level 1 and even a 1/2 depending on the focal length. Unfortunately with filters you either have to screw them on or use a matte box, there are lenses that do bloom ever so slightly but that’s a whole other cost in itself. Haha that video was definitely a memorable one for me!
@@atdavidlee Thanks so much for the Answer. Then i just need to decide now between Glimmerglas 1/4 and Black Satin 1 ;) But leaning towards Black Satin 1 i think, hoping its not to gritty at that strength. Filming a lot in the nature with people and from the scenes it looks little bit more organic but maybe its just that little bit extra grittyness or your great way of editing, always hard to tell. Filming with a Sony a73 and sigma 24-70 and sony 35 1.8 . both pretty digital looking out of cam and the sigma is also very sharp.
I own sigma glass too and they can be very sharp especially on the Sony cameras, you can’t go wrong with either diffusion I still use both frequently but the 1/4 Glimmerglass I’d highly look into 👍
Hi :) I have a question, what lenses did you use in this video for the BMPC and A7r II to get that look with Black Glimmerglass? Thanks for the help :)
Have you worked with the hollywood black magic or the dream fx from prism fx? I have the tiffen pro mist 1/4 and 1/8 and warm 2 and want to try something new and not sure what these will gove:). Any guides will be appreciated ;)).Greetings from Denmarh
Hey Thomas! I’m actually looking at getting a Hollywood black magic 1/4, I do like the overall look of it and it would be great to have options. I contacted the folks and prism lens FX about the dream fx, they said it’s equivalent to a 1/2 Black Pro Mist which is too strong for my taste
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Can you discuss the differences between Black Glimmerglass as opposed to OG Glimmerglass? The diffusion triangle is horrible as a reference (It shows Black Pro Mist leaning further from contrast reduction than Black Satin LOL) so I really have nothing to go on. Do you get more skin smoothing then from Glimmerglass and Black Glimmerglass than Black Satin? (The triangle says you do not...) and how would you compare smoothness between Glimmerglass & Black Glimmerglass? What strength do you use? Lots of very useful information could be elucidated here as you've used them all
David, thanks for introducing me to the Black Satin 3. I kept it when I switched from Canon M50 to iPhone 12 Pro Max for interviews, mostly with women artists. I really like the look. Thanks for explaining the difference - I'll probably sell the 77mm Black Satin and buy smaller Black Satin and Glimmerglass. The Black Satin will be for music and other events where a little more dramatic look will be nice; the Glimmerglass will be for the interviews. Love your improved set design.
Great thinking there! Diffusion filters I think are extremely helpful since the sensors and lenses are so sharp these days, it’s a artistic tool we can use when needed 🙏🙌
Revised: Ah, Glimmer Glass all the way. Thanks for your help, David.
Thanks for this! I just bought my first matte box and I haven't decided on what filters I want to start my (eventual) collection with. That Glimmerglass looks beautiful.
Congrats on the matte box! Glimmerglass definitely has a very clean and polished look to it and depending on how strong you want the effect to be you could have a 1/4 for subtle effects and a 1 for stronger effects
You didn't give filter strengths. You didn't give focal lengths (read that the filtration increases with focal length, considerably). You didn't even shoot the same scenes or light the same. Quite bizarre choices for someone so versed in cine. Decidedly low-effort.
Wait. There's BLACK Glimmerglass now too? I can't keep up.
Yup! Haha!
Thanks for the comparison..i want to get a glimmerglass filter to reduce the sharpness of the image and get some highlight defusion.
i'm just not sure about the strength.
I was thinking to get a 1 but then saw that you use a 1/2 strength.
can you recommend one or the other for my use case?
thank you!(:
Thanks for the review.
However, since I already have a Tiffen Black Pro Mist #1, I decided to buy a Tiffen Black Pro Mist #3 soft focus filter instead.
Awesome man I hope it works out well for you! 🙌
Nice comparison on these, I've got the glimmerglass on order the IRND glimmerglass 0.9 and 1.2, just waiting for them to come. They had a sale and each glass was only $138 each so jumped on it as soon as I saw it since 4x5 filters are expensive and thats why I avoided but always wanted them.
That’s a steal of a price wish I knew about it hahaha!
@@atdavidlee tbh I checked them out a few days before and they was close to $600 per glass and then seen another review and on the off chance I rechecked as I was curious and boom I was running for my wallet lol.
I just don't have a matte box to hold them psml lol but shhhhhh need to sort that out now
The tilts mini matte box looks good for the price I friend of mine has one 👍👍
@@atdavidlee I was looking at this and the smallrig and might just get the two not sure yet as I like how small the tilta js so that will make it easier when traveling then the smallrig as its quite a bit larger when I don't need to do a lot of hiking
Ahh yea the small rig one was recently released ! Both are definitely worth looking into Byron!
Thank You.
Great job!!
Thanks!!
Good video length ;)
But WHICH filter strength?? That info would have been actually helpful
Rule of thumb is for wider focal lengths go with a 1/2 or 1, the tighter you go the less intense of a filter you go like a 1/4 or 1/8
Black Satin, and Black Glimmerglass are the same right?
No, those are two different filters.
What strength diffusion are you using with black satin and Glimmerglass?
Also would that particular strengths be great for women make up tutorials videos in your opinion?
Great video!!!!!
For Black Satin most are Black Satin 3 and some are 1, all the Glimmerglass is 1.
I’d definitely lean towards Glimmerglass for make up tutorials 👍👍
@@atdavidlee thank you 🙏🏿
You got it!
Which strength on the glimmerglass do you think compares to the Back Satin 3?
I would say a 1 would be about the equivalent 👍
@@atdavidlee so a black satin 2 (currently the only one not on backorder) would be something similar to a black glimmerglass 1/2 perhaps? And a black satin 1 like a 1/4 black glimmer? I mean roughly. Is that both in terms of strenght of softening and strenght of bloom would you say?
What level of glimmer you use for interview shots?
Great explanation and clever analogy with grain - thanks a lot! Very helpful. Do you know if the circular Glimmer glass filter has any differences in it's look compared to the 4x5 Black Glimmer glass? It seems like there's no circular Black Glimmer Glass filter on the market.
For some reason tiffen never made a black Glimmerglass in circular size 🤷🏻♂️, but the differences from what I’ve seen are that regular Glimmerglass won’t give you lifted contrast compared to the black version
@@atdavidlee Thank you for the reply! In your opinion, would circular Black Satin preserve the shadows better then circular Glimmer Glass of a similar strength?
Definitely, the black in tiffens diffusion light is designed to help maintain detail in the blacks 👍
@@atdavidlee Thanks! 👍
@@atdavidlee I thought it was because it was rebranded to Black Satin?
Thank you for your grat video. Have you any experience with using simultaneously diffusion filter and ND filter (variable ND filter) ? Isn't there any negative optical collision?
You’ll get reflections when you stack filters like that at least with screw on filters. Nothing you can really do unless you invest in a matte box and go with 4x5.65 filters
at 3:29 what's the strength of black satin for that footage?
Thanks for the video! Do you think the Glimmerglass 1 strength is similar to the BPM 1/8? On the official Tiffen filters video it does seem so. I already have the BPM 1/4 and I'm looking for a more subtle diffusion strength to keep permanently on my lens for everyday photography. Trying to decide between Glimmerglass 1 and BMP 1/8. Also have you tried the K&F black mist filters? They seem to be as good as Tiffen but cheaper. I'm considering their 1/8 strength too. Thanks!
I’d say Glimmerglass 1 is like in between 1/8 and 1/4 BPM. I’d go with a 1/4 Glimmerglass if you want something just subtle 👍
@@atdavidlee thanks for the advice!
Great Video Lee ! I didn't even know Glimmerglass was an option. I've always heard about Pro Mist. Now, I'll have to figure out the strength. 1/4 Seems appealing because it can be subtle. What would be next stop above that ? Do you think 1/4 is good option for all around use ? Thanks in advance !
All around I would go 1/4, the 1 strength can be a bit much at times.
@@atdavidlee alright cool ! I'll go for that then. I think it's on backorder but it looks to be worth the wait.
Mine was on back order too, a lot of film equipment is on back order 😮💨
@@atdavidlee yikes ! Yes I can imagine if you have a project lined up already and you need equipment ASAP that's slightly stressful.
I'll try eBay if I have to haha. Thanks again, I'll tag you on IG once I start using this filter and post on my feed. Have a great weekend !🤙🏼
💯 haha! Can’t wait to see them!!
For film like portraits would u recommend the glimmer or black satin
Or Black Glimmerglass?
Thanks for the video, what strength Glimmerglass did you feature in the samples on this video?
These are Glimmerglass 1, a little strong for certain shots so you can also look at getting a 1/4 for the best of both worlds 🙌
@@atdavidlee much appreciated!
@@atdavidlee I'm confused - pro mist is rated in 1/4, 1/8 etc. Are those equivalent to glimmerglass 1, 3, 5 somehow? I'd like the equivalent "strength" of black pro mist 1/8.
Great content. If you don’t mind share, what do you use for the talking head shot you are doing in this video. I have been struggling to get this answer.
Thanks in advance for any help.
Filter wise? I normally use a black satin with the Sigma 35mm F1.4 ART
@@atdavidlee Thanks Brother. ? Would the Glimmer Glass 1 work in your Studio setting or would I get some strange artifacts? Or would 1/4 for a cleaner look, I do not want crazy Bloom in the Studio.
BTW Thank You for the insight this is a Unicorn 🦄 Topic.. hard to find the answer you seek 😂
No I just don’t have glimmerglass in a circular format which means I’d have to use my matte box lol #lazy
@@atdavidlee 😂. Thanks, I like the look of the Glimmer Glass 1. I will try that one, hopefully it’s not too much as I do most of my content like your talk head shots. Otherwise I will have to buy the 1/4 for more everyday work… I wanted to get the best general use level.
I’d go with a 1/4 to be on the safe side. If you’re not pointing the camera directly into light sources Glimmerglass is 1 but I’d go with a 1/4
It's a question that often causes confusion, whether the diffusion filter be in front of or behind the ND filter, does the transmission effect image quality if it comes close to the lens at the back?
For three level matte box, the filtrations from outside to inside should be Cut (ND), Correct (Color or Pola), and then diffusion. Wrong sequence will cause reflection between filtrations.
@@simoncai6619 Do you mean closer to the sensor diffusion first right?
@@arunr4103 Yeah that’s right
What strength were you using for the glimmerglass
Glimmerglass 1, I like the effect but for some it’s still a little strong
hey david,
would you recommend the black satin 2 or the Hollywood black magic 1/4?
I like black satin a lot but HBM 1/4 I would probably lean towards more these days
@@atdavidlee do you know which washes out the image more, Black satin or hbm?
Thats one negative of the pro mist i have
Neither wash out the image which is why I like them, only promist will milk out the image. The other two will increase highlight bloom and contrast levels the denser you go
I am filming with a camera that doesn't have an anti-aliasing filter on the sensor. I am interested to see if a diffusion filter would help a little bit to make the details more softer so there is less aliasing problems. Wich one do you suggest? and are there more cheapers filters that also does the job?
Good question! To help with aliasing a diffusion filter might not help all too much unless you went really heavy with the intensity. You’d probably want to try softening the image in post or use a lens that isn’t sharp to help more
@@atdavidlee thanks!
You’re welcome Duncan 🙌🙌🙌
Are glimmer glass and black glimmer glass two different things?
Black has increased contrast, anytime you see Black in the filter that’s what it does I.e Black Pro Mist
@@atdavidlee thanks!!
Can you use the tiffen black satin 1 or glimmerglass 1 as kind of always on filter? Im pretty new into filters, just have the black pro mist 1/4 because its almost the only one you dont need to Import ( im from europe).
The blooming is often outside to strong with the 1/4 . Not sure how hard the blooming is with the other ones .
The black satin 1 seems really nice but im not sure if its already to strong.
And by the way, great channel, just realised that i watched your 120 fps sony a6500 video years ago . You oddly seemed familar ;)
Thanks for the question! As far as blooming strength I’d say black pro mist 1/4 is about the same strength as Glimmerglass 1. I’d recommend a 1/4 Glimmerglass to get the benefits with just subtle blooming. Black satin is really nice at a level 1 and even a 1/2 depending on the focal length.
Unfortunately with filters you either have to screw them on or use a matte box, there are lenses that do bloom ever so slightly but that’s a whole other cost in itself.
Haha that video was definitely a memorable one for me!
@@atdavidlee Thanks so much for the Answer.
Then i just need to decide now between Glimmerglas 1/4 and Black Satin 1 ;)
But leaning towards Black Satin 1 i think, hoping its not to gritty at that strength. Filming a lot in the nature with people and from the scenes it looks little bit more organic but maybe its just that little bit extra grittyness or your great way of editing, always hard to tell.
Filming with a Sony a73 and sigma 24-70 and sony 35 1.8 . both pretty digital looking out of cam and the sigma is also very sharp.
I own sigma glass too and they can be very sharp especially on the Sony cameras, you can’t go wrong with either diffusion I still use both frequently but the 1/4 Glimmerglass I’d highly look into 👍
Black Pro-Mist is better than black satin? what do u think?
They’re different filters, promist can get too heavy past a 1/4 strength whereas black satin doesn’t do that
nice. what strengths were you using on both the black glimmerglass and satin?
I was using a Black Glimmerglass 1 and Black Satin 3 👍
@@atdavidlee awesome, thank you for the feedback. watching from kenya.
Hi :) I have a question, what lenses did you use in this video for the BMPC and A7r II to get that look with Black Glimmerglass? Thanks for the help :)
Those were SLR Magic lenses, some were the 50mm APO and the others were the 25mm Microprime
Have you worked with the hollywood black magic or the dream fx from prism fx? I have the tiffen pro mist 1/4 and 1/8 and warm 2 and want to try something new and not sure what these will gove:). Any guides will be appreciated ;)).Greetings from Denmarh
Hey Thomas! I’m actually looking at getting a Hollywood black magic 1/4, I do like the overall look of it and it would be great to have options. I contacted the folks and prism lens FX about the dream fx, they said it’s equivalent to a 1/2 Black Pro Mist which is too strong for my taste
atdavidlee ahh cool! Looking forward to the video 👀💪🏼👍
Thanks Thomas!!!! I’m looking forward to be doing a comparison!
Have you tried Black Glimmerglass yet?