I have a 2015 v6 accord sedan. I replaced the original starter since it was not engaging and I had to hit the start button 2,3 sometimes 5 or 6 times. Replaced the starter with what I thought was the original part from Bosch. Had the same issues. Bought an actual Honda branded starter part # 31200-5G0-A04 and everything is back to normal, hasn’t had any skipping/ non-engaging behavior at all. Had the service bulletin flex plate bolt shift done and didn’t help, Dealer wanted over $900 to put the proper starter in. Starter was $309 from a reputable eBay seller and it took me about an hour. I took the battery stand out, really not as hard as others have said, two bolts underneath that don’t need to come out all the way since the stand has slots not holes for those two bolts. Obviously much easier to take the radiator hose bracket off instead of the battery stand. I was just following my Haynes manual. Gotta say, cars and their manuals ain’t what they used to be. The plastic clips that hold the front air intake on are giving me grief since I removed them twice since the starter was changed twice. I have one of those universal clip kits but they seem to be either too small or too big.
this fix from Honda is absurd, let's just weight the roulette wheel to hopefully hide the damaged teeth due to poor engineering of the starter/ring gear clearance and hope these cars have too many miles for a judge to order a recall. Worked for Honda in the past and I'm ashamed of how they're handling this.
Yea it’s definitely a clearance issue As a matter of fact I just talked to Ray’s dad yesterday asked him how the car was he said he hasn’t had any more issues with it hopefully he won’t have any more thanks for the comments thanks for watching
Mine is doi g the same thing intermittently. Not sure wtf moving the fly wheel clockwise will do since the pitch is the same. This is a design flaw and should be covered under warranty.
I have struggled with this problem for a year. I have performed the TSB and put a rebuilt starter and still the same problem. Don't not put a aftermarket or rebuilt starter you need the latest starter oem from Honda 31200-5G0-A04. Ending with A04 seems to have solve the problem. It's been two weeks no issue
@skubasteve8526 as you read in the comments some got resolved but some did not so it’s a hit or miss situation. And Honda still doesn’t do anything about it. Hope you have good luck. Thanks for watching
@@Jvcomet Im about to change my starter for the latest oem one. Do you recommend I do the tsb as well? Or just changing the starter to the oem one is ok ?
I worked on a 2014 Crosstour, when trying to start, the dash lights went nuts when pushing the start button, the starter tried to engage, but just slammed the pinion gear against the flywheel, like it had a bad solenoid. However, ended up being a bad ignition relay. Look in the fuse panel under the hood, drivers side, near the brake reservoir. There are two, blue relays. Try interchanging them. (Notice they are the same serial numbers.) If the problem goes away, change them out. Found on Amz. prime $14.00. I changed to starter anyway, because I didn’t know how many times the driver had a misfired, but did not do the flywheel trick. No need in THIS case. Very specific to this symptom. Going 2mo.’s np.
This helped me thanks a million. Replaced two srarters and battey. Just curoius what happens if you dont fix this and keep driving while it takes a couple of tries to start? Again thanks.
I guess that moving the flex plate 1/8 of a revolution causes the places the crank usually comes to a rest (1/3 intervals) to line up differently *most* of the time. Interesting.
This is not a permanent fix!!! 2014, 140,000 miles, purchased new. We have been through a NAPA starter, two Honda starters including the updated part number and of course done the TSB with rotation. The intermittent starting and grinding come back. All of these fix-it videos install a starter and say they've fixed the problem. The vehicle will always start correctly with a newly installed starter but the issues does return. ???
You forgot to mention that the latest version of the starter from honda needs to be used ( clearence was corrected) or it will grind it again.... the starter has been updated 4 times..
@@Jvcomet i know man... i was a victim ... i had my torque converter replaced.. because the torque converter was rotated but the starter was never replaced with the latest version so it chewed it up.. now i have a new torque converter and a new honda starter
@@lars25gdl do you now have the latest version of the starter? if I'm not mistaken I believe the PN is 31200-5G0-A04 (that's the one listed on the Service Bulletin)
@@lars25gdl I'm about to buy a 31200-5G0-A04 since I did the SB but replaced my starter with an Autozone one, so Grinding never went away.... Do you think by replacing my starter with the 31200-5G0-A04 would solve the issue? (at least for a couple months)
@@oscarivansalazaralvarez6702 thats the problem... if you do the tsb before you replace the starter ( latest update was the right tolerance) ..you created another bad spot on your gear ring. And yes that one the latest version. I would give it a try.. hopefully you dont have any severe wear
What purpose would that serve even if you spun the flywheel two or three position, eventually the starter will still hit the bad teeth marks correct, unless the flexplate is slightly warped, the converter is free-floating the only thing that holds the converter so the teeth will line up with the starter is the flexplate, seems logical to try to bend a flexplate toward the converter, but that might cause an imbalance in the flexplate, it is very time-consuming and very very expensive or replace replace the torque converter and flexplate and the starter, there has to be a simpler fix,
Hi, I have the same car but a 2016 with the same issue. The Honda TSB does state that we need to replace and make this adjustment. Do you think this could be done without replacing the starter and still fix the problem?"
Hello. Thanks for video. Did you put any gasket with new starter? Is it possible to turn the fly wheel with installed starter or you have to remove starter before doing this?
You can Do it with the starter in because you’re doing it from the bottom but I took the starter out to replace it and yes I did leave the gasket off to give a little less clearance. Thanks
I had this issue 2 yesterday ago. Cost me 1600.00......The issue came back. Honda released another tech bulletin...replace the torque converter....$5000.00 later
Just bought a 2015 crosstour (same engine and all that as the 2015 accord, it's based off the accords) and when I called Honda with the vin they said mine did not have this problem. Twice when I first got it it didn't start but it didn't sound like grinding. A month later it just did it again with the engine warm and it was grinding, so clearly I have this problem too. But just a starter isn't going to fix it? I have to get under the car and turn the flywheel and somehow that's suppose dto solve the problem? Iw orry how long it's been doing it and if it's ground anything down in there. 101k miles
I have a 2015 honda accord vs with the same problem. Start was replaced ( latest model) and fly wheel was rotated to the next bolt hole per TSB. Everything was fine for about 6 months after the installation of the new starter. but I started having the same problem again. He checked the flywheel and there is no missing teeth. What is the next step to try to fix this problem. I’ve been dealing with this issue for a over a year. Your help is greatly appreciated. Thanks In advance. By the way he used the shin that came with started. Should it be removed for more clearance?
Thank you for your response. Would you recommend replacing the flywheel at all per TSB. I am hesitant since it doesn’t always work according to some forums and it’s very costly.
Hi! Why would I need to replace the started if the starter is spinning but not engaging? From what it sounds like, I just need to replace the gasket and rotate the torque converter. What's your thoughts? The vehicle only has 47K.
Has anybody tried this with a 4cyl 2015 Accord manual Transmission? I just swapped out the starter and it’s grinding… I’m hoping this is easier than the starter… lol
this might be a long shot but dose anyone know if the new starters work on the 7th gen 04 cars? or do i have to buy a starter for that specific model because i was reading and i seen that the most up to date starter dose not have these problems anymore
@@Jvcomet I looked into it a little more and I believe it depends on the Liter of your engine and Or the gen of the car so I don’t think it’s possible but I don’t think the older models have the fly wheel problem specifically as what I see so far
@@Jvcomet just replaced the starter and to answer my own question, it the flexplate set up is different. Previous aftermarket starter lasted 5 months. Not sure if I should just get an OEM Honda one or just keep replacing them every 5 months lol. About a 30 minute job on the 2015 2.4l if you have the right tools. Definitely stuby ratchets are needed to make life easy. 12mm socket and 14mm with a few different size extensions.
I have had start-up issues on my 2013 EX-L v6 since 2019 intermittently. At first I would press start button and no sound, but engine wouldn't start & only the power would come on. I'd turn off the power (no foot on brake). Then second try, the brake pedal would be very hard to press - wouldn't really depress much at all - but enough so the sensor would allow the starter to engage. It always start second try. Would be months between with daily driving, 2-3 starts a day. Then I started to hear a grinding/whirring noise when I tried to start the car. First time I thought I hit the button even though the engine was already one. Nope. Grinding/whirring noise, engine didn't start, power came on. Usually would start next time I tried. Then sometimes 2 tries. Each subsequent time it has happened I get the grinding/whirring noise. Friday it started fine in the morning. When leaving work I had to try 4x. When I arrived home. I turned engine off, then turned it back on. No problem. This morning the grinding noise. It took 2 tries. Drove to a store. It started fine at the store to return home . Could be a dozen or more starts again before it happens. I hadn't taken it to a mechanic because it's intermittent and might not happen for them. But I think I'm going to take it to Honda dealership and have them check it. Hopefully the TSB gear wheel rotation & new starter will be enough. Already have over 75K miles on the car and need expensive timing belt replacement. Very disappointing in a Honda. Should be a recall.
@@Jvcomet there's actually a class action law suit for it but it hasn't gone anywhere. Im on my 3rd starter. Gonna try turning the flex plate one more hole tom.
This will always come back because it's a design flaw in clearance. If you're lucky this will buy enough time before you get stuck replacing the torque converter/ring gear which is very expensive.
My 2014 crosstour V6 just started doing this. I have 100,000 kilometers on it. I am in Ontario Canada, any advice on how I should deal with this issue?
I replaced the starter on mine, still did it, did this rotation, still did it. Just got it back from the mechanic after having a new torque converter installed, as I damaged most of the teeth... Grinded the next day. Going to try adding a shim on the starter this morning.. Fingers crossed
I was on to my secound replacement starter in my 2013 honda accord v6, thank for this bulletin tip, 🙏
I have a 2015 v6 accord sedan. I replaced the original starter since it was not engaging and I had to hit the start button 2,3 sometimes 5 or 6 times. Replaced the starter with what I thought was the original part from Bosch. Had the same issues. Bought an actual Honda branded starter part # 31200-5G0-A04 and everything is back to normal, hasn’t had any skipping/ non-engaging behavior at all. Had the service bulletin flex plate bolt shift done and didn’t help, Dealer wanted over $900 to put the proper starter in. Starter was $309 from a reputable eBay seller and it took me about an hour. I took the battery stand out, really not as hard as others have said, two bolts underneath that don’t need to come out all the way since the stand has slots not holes for those two bolts. Obviously much easier to take the radiator hose bracket off instead of the battery stand. I was just following my Haynes manual. Gotta say, cars and their manuals ain’t what they used to be. The plastic clips that hold the front air intake on are giving me grief since I removed them twice since the starter was changed twice. I have one of those universal clip kits but they seem to be either too small or too big.
Cool glad you got it fixed. Thanks for sharing 👍👍
this fix from Honda is absurd, let's just weight the roulette wheel to hopefully hide the damaged teeth due to poor engineering of the starter/ring gear clearance and hope these cars have too many miles for a judge to order a recall. Worked for Honda in the past and I'm ashamed of how they're handling this.
Yea it’s definitely a clearance issue As a matter of fact I just talked to Ray’s dad yesterday asked him how the car was he said he hasn’t had any more issues with it hopefully he won’t have any more thanks for the comments thanks for watching
Mine is doi g the same thing intermittently. Not sure wtf moving the fly wheel clockwise will do since the pitch is the same. This is a design flaw and should be covered under warranty.
Much appreciated brotha!
Very clear and concise.
Thanks. 👍
I have struggled with this problem for a year. I have performed the TSB and put a rebuilt starter and still the same problem. Don't not put a aftermarket or rebuilt starter you need the latest starter oem from Honda 31200-5G0-A04. Ending with A04 seems to have solve the problem. It's been two weeks no issue
Nice thanks for sharing. Keep us posted. Thanks 👍
I personally never bought OEM but I did buy a more expensive starter for like around $400 and its been great for over 3 yeara
Have you had any issues up to date. My starter keeps grinding and it was rebuilt one from orielly. I just purchased the new his oem one
@skubasteve8526 as you read in the comments some got resolved but some did not so it’s a hit or miss situation. And Honda still doesn’t do anything about it. Hope you have good luck. Thanks for watching
@@Jvcomet Im about to change my starter for the latest oem one. Do you recommend I do the tsb as well? Or just changing the starter to the oem one is ok ?
I worked on a 2014 Crosstour, when trying to start, the dash lights went nuts when pushing the start button, the starter tried to engage, but just slammed the pinion gear against the flywheel, like it had a bad solenoid. However, ended up being a bad ignition relay. Look in the fuse panel under the hood, drivers side, near the brake reservoir. There are two, blue relays. Try interchanging them. (Notice they are the same serial numbers.) If the problem goes away, change them out. Found on Amz. prime $14.00.
I changed to starter anyway, because I didn’t know how many times the driver had a misfired, but did not do the flywheel trick. No need in THIS case. Very specific to this symptom. Going 2mo.’s np.
Thanks 🙏 it stays good
Thanks For the info
This helped me thanks a million. Replaced two srarters and battey. Just curoius what happens if you dont fix this and keep driving while it takes a couple of tries to start? Again thanks.
Eats up the teeth on the flywheel
You are one , the true trouble shooter, good mechanic
Thanks for the compliment . Hope you subscribed 👍
I guess that moving the flex plate 1/8 of a revolution causes the places the crank usually comes to a rest (1/3 intervals) to line up differently *most* of the time. Interesting.
That’s the theory 🤔
extremely good info!
What noise was it making prior to the fix? I need help with my Honda Accord 2015. Screeching noise when I start it but not every time I start it.
It was a grinding noise starter motor missing the flywheel. A screeching noise might be a loose belt
Nice job…very informative.
Thanks
This is not a permanent fix!!!
2014, 140,000 miles, purchased new.
We have been through a NAPA starter, two Honda starters including the updated part number and of course done the TSB with rotation. The intermittent starting and grinding come back. All of these fix-it videos install a starter and say they've fixed the problem. The vehicle will always start correctly with a newly installed starter but the issues does return.
???
And Honda won’t do anything about it 😫
You forgot to mention that the latest version of the starter from honda needs to be used ( clearence was corrected) or it will grind it again.... the starter has been updated 4 times..
They need to recall that deal
@@Jvcomet i know man... i was a victim ... i had my torque converter replaced.. because the torque converter was rotated but the starter was never replaced with the latest version so it chewed it up.. now i have a new torque converter and a new honda starter
@@lars25gdl do you now have the latest version of the starter? if I'm not mistaken I believe the PN is 31200-5G0-A04 (that's the one listed on the Service Bulletin)
@@lars25gdl I'm about to buy a 31200-5G0-A04 since I did the SB but replaced my starter with an Autozone one, so Grinding never went away....
Do you think by replacing my starter with the 31200-5G0-A04 would solve the issue? (at least for a couple months)
@@oscarivansalazaralvarez6702 thats the problem... if you do the tsb before you replace the starter ( latest update was the right tolerance) ..you created another bad spot on your gear ring. And yes that one the latest version. I would give it a try.. hopefully you dont have any severe wear
I had this issue in my 2014 Accord at 38k miles and did this service bulletin, it was over $1000 at the dealership. Now at 77k the grinding is back. 🙄
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What purpose would that serve even if you spun the flywheel two or three position, eventually the starter will still hit the bad teeth marks correct, unless the flexplate is slightly warped, the converter is free-floating the only thing that holds the converter so the teeth will line up with the starter is the flexplate, seems logical to try to bend a flexplate toward the converter, but that might cause an imbalance in the flexplate, it is very time-consuming and very very expensive or replace replace the torque converter and flexplate and the starter, there has to be a simpler fix,
There are so many design flaws in this thing. Just a bad situation all around. Thanks for you comments. 👍
Hi, I have the same car but a 2016 with the same issue. The Honda TSB does state that we need to replace and make this adjustment. Do you think this could be done without replacing the starter and still fix the problem?"
It’s a hit or miss issue. One can only try.
Hello. Thanks for video. Did you put any gasket with new starter? Is it possible to turn the fly wheel with installed starter or you have to remove starter before doing this?
You can Do it with the starter in because you’re doing it from the bottom but I took the starter out to replace it and yes I did leave the gasket off to give a little less clearance. Thanks
@@Jvcomet Thank you for respons.
Starter sometimes takes a few turn on attempts to grab. So do you think it's the starter? Or the teeth on the flywheel
I would check all the teeth on the flywheel and then remove the shim between the starter and the Bellhousing
Should i buy a 2017 coupe that had the flywheel rotated and is working now?
Thanks for sharing good luck with your new car
I had this issue 2 yesterday ago. Cost me 1600.00......The issue came back. Honda released another tech bulletin...replace the torque converter....$5000.00 later
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Just bought a 2015 crosstour (same engine and all that as the 2015 accord, it's based off the accords) and when I called Honda with the vin they said mine did not have this problem. Twice when I first got it it didn't start but it didn't sound like grinding. A month later it just did it again with the engine warm and it was grinding, so clearly I have this problem too. But just a starter isn't going to fix it? I have to get under the car and turn the flywheel and somehow that's suppose dto solve the problem? Iw orry how long it's been doing it and if it's ground anything down in there. 101k miles
Not sure but it’s worth a try.
@@Jvcomet it's like a $400 part I think so it's not exactly easy to just try replacing it lol
It’s a crap situation. They should have made it a recall.
I know this is an older video. If you remember, did you need to remove the transmission to get to the flex plate?
No you can get to the bolts through the bottom inspection cover.
@@Jvcomet Thank you!
I have a 2015 honda accord vs with the same problem. Start was replaced ( latest model) and fly wheel was rotated to the next bolt hole per TSB. Everything was fine for about 6 months after the installation of the new starter. but I started having the same problem again. He checked the flywheel and there is no missing teeth. What is the next step to try to fix this problem. I’ve been dealing with this issue for a over a year. Your help is greatly appreciated. Thanks In advance. By the way he used the shin that came with started. Should it be removed for more clearance?
Only thing you can try is remove the shim. Hope it works. Thanks for sharing 👍
Thank you for your response. Would you recommend replacing the flywheel at all per TSB. I am hesitant since it doesn’t always work according to some forums and it’s very costly.
@@ernaldsantos1465 I wouldn’t. Try without the shim.
Hi! Why would I need to replace the started if the starter is spinning but not engaging? From what it sounds like, I just need to replace the gasket and rotate the torque converter. What's your thoughts? The vehicle only has 47K.
I would try it got nothing to lose 😎
What did you end up doing?
Must replace with oem honda starter motor and spacer. after market starter motor will not work right
Thank you for sharing your experience
My 2015 Honda Accord 4cyl is having the same issue. Does this fix also apply to the 4cyl?
Not sure but it’s worth a try. Doesn’t cost anything but a little time
Has anybody tried this with a 4cyl 2015 Accord manual Transmission? I just swapped out the starter and it’s grinding… I’m hoping this is easier than the starter… lol
Not sure. Sorry. But if it works let people know thanks
Where are you located I need this done to my Honda
Millville New Jersey
Where did you purchase the starter?
He got it from Napa
Do you guys recommend using a Honda OEM or can we use one from o’reillys?
Not sure if it’s gonna make a difference I believe the one he got when we did ours was from Napa
Honda OEM or OE
this might be a long shot but dose anyone know if the new starters work on the 7th gen 04 cars? or do i have to buy a starter for that specific model because i was reading and i seen that the most up to date starter dose not have these problems anymore
That would be great. If anyone has any info on that please. Post it. And thanks for sharing
@@Jvcomet I looked into it a little more and I believe it depends on the Liter of your engine and Or the gen of the car so I don’t think it’s possible but I don’t think the older models have the fly wheel problem specifically as what I see so far
Ok keep us posted 👍
How is this going to help at all?
Have no idea. That’s what the tech bulletin said. And it worked for us. 🤔
Tsb says it's for v6 models only. Can this be done for the 2015 exl 2.4l?
Not sure sorry
@@Jvcomet just replaced the starter and to answer my own question, it the flexplate set up is different. Previous aftermarket starter lasted 5 months. Not sure if I should just get an OEM Honda one or just keep replacing them every 5 months lol. About a 30 minute job on the 2015 2.4l if you have the right tools. Definitely stuby ratchets are needed to make life easy. 12mm socket and 14mm with a few different size extensions.
Thanks
I have had start-up issues on my 2013 EX-L v6 since 2019 intermittently. At first I would press start button and no sound, but engine wouldn't start & only the power would come on. I'd turn off the power (no foot on brake). Then second try, the brake pedal would be very hard to press - wouldn't really depress much at all - but enough so the sensor would allow the starter to engage. It always start second try. Would be months between with daily driving, 2-3 starts a day. Then I started to hear a grinding/whirring noise when I tried to start the car. First time I thought I hit the button even though the engine was already one. Nope. Grinding/whirring noise, engine didn't start, power came on. Usually would start next time I tried. Then sometimes 2 tries. Each subsequent time it has happened I get the grinding/whirring noise. Friday it started fine in the morning. When leaving work I had to try 4x. When I arrived home. I turned engine off, then turned it back on. No problem. This morning the grinding noise. It took 2 tries. Drove to a store. It started fine at the store to return home . Could be a dozen or more starts again before it happens. I hadn't taken it to a mechanic because it's intermittent and might not happen for them. But I think I'm going to take it to Honda dealership and have them check it. Hopefully the TSB gear wheel rotation & new starter will be enough. Already have over 75K miles on the car and need expensive timing belt replacement. Very disappointing in a Honda. Should be a recall.
I did this back in 2019 and the problem started again in a few months .
I still can’t believe Honda has not had a recall on this. 😩
@@Jvcomet there's actually a class action law suit for it but it hasn't gone anywhere. Im on my 3rd starter. Gonna try turning the flex plate one more hole tom.
This will always come back because it's a design flaw in clearance. If you're lucky this will buy enough time before you get stuck replacing the torque converter/ring gear which is very expensive.
Yep
@@user-yz4eu3mv9h yea after 2 new starters im still having the grind noise. Like 3/5 starts and it's embarrassing lol
Is this happening only on 2015 accord?
Not sure.
Im planning to buy 2013 accord exl, anyway im just searching for common issues for accord
My 2014 crosstour V6 just started doing this. I have 100,000 kilometers on it. I am in Ontario Canada, any advice on how I should deal with this issue?
It was a problem for the 2013-2015, my relative has the 2017 v6 touring model and his is doing it as well.
mine has it. 2016 honda accord v6 touring
I replaced the starter on mine, still did it, did this rotation, still did it. Just got it back from the mechanic after having a new torque converter installed, as I damaged most of the teeth... Grinded the next day. Going to try adding a shim on the starter this morning.. Fingers crossed
What a mess these things are. Good luck . Let us know how you make out
did that shim ever work out?
Any luck?
Never heard back from him
My car has been doing that for over two years now. I know by now I probably messed up a lot of teeth
Maybe 😎
The worst cars to have is a Honda my Honda had starter and abs module damage . Horrible vehicle it comes from a horrible country Japan .
Lol
@@Jvcomet it’s true ps5 a piece of shit . No internet browser .
Lmfao