What's the car you first learned the painful experience of "Maybe this isn't worth it? Let me know below and PLEASE watch the whole thing, it means a lot
Coming from someone who's sold a 2011 550i with the N63 to buy a 2007 335i with the n54 and an Audi A5 with the 3.2, this is true. You can either be the person to save the car from the grave, or be the one to seal it's fate.
I've had my 01 subaru impreza 2.5RS and that car has been a tank. Original engine lasted 250k with only 1 set of head gaskets due to coolant/oil leaks. So the head gasket drama is very real. It took plenty of track time, back road time and commuting and engine was solid. I did maintain it with the best parts I could and it's treated me well. Naturally at once the engine started making a little noise I decided to 04 STI swap it, have the engine built from bottom up, new everything on its way in and a month after swapping then entire drive train it was back on track and hasn't skipped a beat. The car is as reliable as you maintain it. Maybe my car is an anomaly but in my experience Subaru's are reliable.
Fellow RS owner! My stock SOHC ej25 exploded at 120k miles and I did an 07 STI swap, and love it. I don't want to know how much I've spent on quality parts and tunes though lol
i hated that engine in my 01 2 door RS...and swapped in the only reliable subaru engine...the EJ207 V7...lets see how long it lasts. the 251 did have 208k miles on it though to be fair.
Been satisfied with my two Subarus. My ‘03 Legacy OBW with the EJ251/5MT has been pretty solid and has held up well with everything I’ve thrown at it (low and high speed off roading, SCCA RX races, spirited backroad driving, etc.) got about 230,000mi on it now and everything on the car works great, it’s my daily too. My other one is a ‘95 Legacy with the EJ22E/5MT and that thing is a tank. When I bought it it had been sitting for a few years, and then a few months later when I went to get it running, all it took was a new alternator and a jump. I bought this car to beat the crap out of it and just mess around with it, and it’s done everything I’ve thrown at it and still runs like new. It lived a rough life before I got it too, but it’s a 300,000mi right now with no problems. So, I’d say from my experience that Subarus are tanks.
As someone that bought a used fbo 370z as their first sports car it’s the best sports car you can start with, made 340whp bought it from 70k miles used it to 125k miles never had problems never broke down. it was a nice daily that you can have fun with, plus it can take boost the engine can take 600whp but 500-550 is what people recommend to keep it reliable. Honestly if you can find one not abused for 15k usd it’s well worth 👍🏼
@@wackoterp7026 used to daily it, used to be a killer in touge too. Used to race down in Oakland and would beat SS, coyotes, scats. Honestly a great option as long as you do the maintenance
@@wackoterp7026 you usually need to build the engine at just around 600hp, I honestly wouldnt run that much boost through a stock 370z block without some engine modifications
I’ve been driving a 6-owner 2010 WRX for just about a year now and surprisingly, it’s holding up amazingly. I have done any performance mods but I have had to replace the clutch week 1. Cold air intake and Nividia exhaust are the only mods really. A previous owner had an AOS im pretty sure but I haven’t went and replaced it yet. I’ve just been focusing on maintenance and it’s been paying off
Just keep her running and don't go crazy with the power mods.. horror stories come from people being careless and boosting the motor like it's a 2jz iron block without the supporting mods lol
Honestly any honda is a good starting point. Tons of mods, tons of tuning experience, there is hondata and ktuner, there is availability of future engine swaps if you blow it up or if you want to go high compression on the j35 or k24, etc etc. You can take a basic accord and make it really fun and its still reliable, you can take any civic from any generation and actually make something of it. And there is a LOT OF THEM so they are CHEAP. They are like toyota, but with more mods on the market.
I hope one day you do a video on lesser known build platforms. The 1990 - 1994 Mazda Miata and the Mazda Protege LX models in the US shared the same 1.8 BP-ZE motor. In Japan those same Proteges (aka Familia) came in turbo charged versions the 180 hp awd GTX sedan and 210 hp awd 323 GTR hatchbacks. They were meant for Group A rallies and were monsters compared to the Miata in terms of power and traction and the hatchback version was lighter as well. These cars aren't just underrated, they are practically unknown by the car community because of the popularity of the Honda Civic at the time, no one knew that the Protege's iron block 1.8 BP engines were basically built for turbos and went totally under the radar.
@@AlexMartini. That sounds sweet. The 90-94 gen Protege was actually my first project car 20 years ago, it would be great to see it get some love. It's lack of after market support lead owners of that build to go actual JDM and perform turbo and engine swaps from their Japanese counterparts and scavenging parts from things like VAF's off of RX-7's and using upside down exhaust cams on the intake side just to make a little more power. It was the wild west for Mazda owners back then.
@@AlexMartini. The 323GTX is a GEM.. I looked into these about a decade ago and they were hard to find.. I can't imagine now.. It's funny.. second time today someone's brought up the 323GTX.. Camissa brought it up earlier today on the Hagerty channel as well
@@russellhenson8117 It was just a mention more than anything from Camissa, but it caught my attention for sure, lol.. Forums.. the good ole days.. I spent HOURS looking through the pic threads on honda-tech and the others lolol..
I always go with the tried and true 'pick 2' method when selecting mods/cars to mod.. "Cheap.. Fast.. Reliable.. Pick 2" Edit: And 10000% the previous owner's maintenance is PARAMOUNT above anything else.. It's the only reason I bought my 987.1 Cayman S (older chap who was high up in the Oregon PCA and took his car to the same p-car shop for 8 years).. Obviously, this was a 'Fast n Reliable' pick.. at least that's what I tell myself in the mirror 😂
@@AlexMartini. A phone mount and some WeatherTech Mats.. +15whp at least, right??? Joking aside.. plans are to do a 997 GT3 short shifter w/numeric shift cables (OEMs are known to snap), EVOMS intake (more induction noise), and a modified exhaust (probably remove the stock mufflers, which haave integrated 2ndary cats and put Vibrant resonators in their place instead) in the near future.. Then Ohlins R&T coilovers and possibly some Fuchs wheels once the time comes.. As for the elephants in the room (IMS and Bore Scoring).. IMS affects less than 1% of 997.1/987.1 cars.. most cars with the issue have low low miles (the IMS bearing dries out if the car isn't driven regularly).. My car has 85k on it (bought it with 78k), so I ain't sweating this one anymore (I did for awhile though, lol).. The bore scoring, that's a little harder to determine without a borescope.. However one of the tell tell signs is smokey cold start, which I don't have at all.. 0 oil consumption over the last 4k miles (I change it every 5k).. My shop, who's worked on the car for almost 10 years now, says I shouldn't worry and just continue to drive the car, because that's what P-cars like the best..
It completely comes down to the owners for subarus, I have had no problems with mine and it has 400whp and I turn it up to 500whp for track days, but I also know alot of people who go through 1 or 2 engines a year. Definitely a weird platform and I don't recommend it if your doing engine mods as a civic or integra can make just as much if not more for alot cheaper
But the Hondas wont sound as BEAST as a Subie w/ UELs.. I know you're leaving power on the table with UELs, but idgaf.. I had the AWE CBE w/o mufflers on my STI Type RA and it sounded like Silverbacks fuckin'..
have had a 2006 WRX for 3 years, great car when it behaves. If you take your time and be thorough when working on car quality parts go along way also when you have a Subaru and you do it properly there is nothing more satisfying when you have a perfect running car that is known to blow up if you look at it wrong. always use dealer parts when I can and Haynes manual goes along way. also knowing Subaru wizards is a plus! (I do treat it like a corvette owner) also have a huge folder with pictures of everything I do and keep receipts with dates.
This video is amazing! Ive drive bmws and have always had a hard time explaining reliability, you explained it perfectly! I will be showing this video to every person that asks me about what cars are reliable! Thank you lmao
Im not the best comment on this but it made me realize that even though i want to mod my 2013 Altima 3.5SV, i just do the much needed maintenance and chose to wait till i can get another vehicle. I decided to work for Nissan and learn everything about my car while i was starting off as a Tech. So i knew a lot of recalls and problems that the Altimas were plagued with but mine never missed a beat. Ive had it for 6 years and when i got it, it was piss poor shape. Now, im glad i took the time to do learn my maintenance, how to fix it if it has problems(Including the dreaded CVT even though i have yet to replace my original one((109k now, 45k 6 years ago))), and know that since i did the preventative maintenance, I wont have problems. As for mods,....sad to say none. The platform isnt meant to go fast and im fine with that. To me, its a cruiser that needed a decent sound system with subs, aftermarket headlights with a slight JDM look to it and some lowering springs with a decent exhaust note. Its my baby till i get a V8 or something that has a vast aftermarket(Been looking at Mustangs or an ST/RS platform).
For me building a car. Starts off with what do you want the car for. Pick a clean example unless you are doing a full restoration. Research parts availability. Thats a big thing for me. If I cant get simple parts like weather strip or something. But unfortunately most JDM classic cars we are screwed.
Subaru slander is amazing because it still didn’t prevent me from buying 3 subis 😂 and none blew up on me 👍😎 still tho everything you said is right “ thinking “ a subi is reliable is a no no if it ain’t new she’s abused !
Depends on the Lotus. A lot of older Lotuses have typical British reliability issues, but lots of modern ones use Toyota engines. So some Lotuses like the Elise, Evora, and I think the Emira can be reliable.
If you have enough money for a lotus you should have enough money to put your ideas into reality, they don’t really have much of a market for (1-2 trustworthy companies) and what they do have that is at least of the same quality in the car is extremely expensive. It would be wise to keep it stock unless you can either do it yourself or are willing to dump a ton of money into companies that are “tried and true”. Edit: now… with that all being said. If it’s the lotus elise then I’d refer you to the mr2 community (including me ;)
@Nathaniel Virgo thank you for the advice that makes a ton of sense in the grand scheme of things, I've wanted an Elise for the past few years and hopefully soon I would be able to get a gen2 with the slight redesign and the bump in power, the cost of entry although is what has been my main problem as I wanted it as a project car to make a gorgeous "street fighter" but with the base cost going from 55-80k used I don't what would be possible portraying to my bugget, if there are any other recommendations on generally similar cars that I haven't looked into I would love to know, thank you for being so helpful my friend!🔥
@AlexMartini I think you posted your comment before my prior reply was for someone else so, what I was looking at was the S2 Lotus Elise preferably in the 2005-2007 years and I was looking at something in decent quality but as I mentioned the cost can easily make it above 45,000 for one in very good condition, am I looking in the completely wrong places or are there better alternatives for my budget. I am stuck on this car as it has been a dream car for awhile but I'm not 100% on it, what are your recommendations?
Oh boy I've had an insane lineup of cars for being young, but In the field (as the younger audience here), get a car you can afford on your budget, I've dailyed my 987 boxster then my s60r, both cars are immaculate and fun to drive, but the cost of ownership is extraordinary expensive, especially if your younger, so please be mindful, and notice that your jb4, ecs, ipd, and whatever tunes you get will probably cost ya a pretty penny in the long run
I see a Toyota mr2 sw20 for sell on my walk to get tropical smoothie cafe there’s a battery on the passenger seat it has f355 front bumper it’s kinda hanging and there is a rusty slash front right fender but that’s my dream car I start to see more around and just hope I can get one before the get over inflated
I think any BMW E90 with the N52 motor, even better a manual, is a really great option. Mine has treated me well for the past 5yrs. But if you're looking for tuning, I don't think this platform is for you since the motor doesn't really like that
Im the 5th owner of my Ford Probe GT and because I stuck with it to undo the previous damages I feel like im the correct owner. Just wished more ppl had owned one of these and had after market support.
He's right. You have to be willing to tinker with the car. Do all the maintenance. When you notice a smell check it out. Check your damn oil if you're hooning it. Checking the parts you installed.
I would say any bmw with b58, most reliable and easy to modify. BMW is also #1 on consumer reports now, guess what they use, b48 and b58 on most their models. Even Toyota Supra using b58, inline six. N55 also pretty reliable if previous owner took care of it.
mk4 and up gti's. built to last till 300 000km IF you do regular maintenance and because there german this include water pumps, and most importantly timing jobs so your valves and pistons don't have there first kiss.
on the toyota note in the beginning, i have a 2008 scion XD that was running on 1qt of oil and the exhaust cam was 180° off. only problem was a cylinder 2 misfire and ofc a “timing over advanced” code.
A big mistake a LOT of people make is buying a high maintenance car for their first modified car. You don't need an E60 M5, E93 M3, Subaru anything, rotaries, etc etc for the first car you modify. There is nothing wrong with having a Miata, a Civic Si, 2V/3V Mustang, G35/37, 4th Gen Firebird/Camaro, ISxxx... They're all great cars and car teach you the basics of driving, and most importantly are more likely to forgive your mistakes.
heck, even the "less common" mach 1's with the 4v are still cheap rn too, low maintenance and take very little to reach 300+ wheel.. ..maybe not as easy as those civics though ;)
Excellent Segway into that sponsorship read. Is there an aftermarket for the car you want to build, major or grassroots? That’s a big one for ease of modding. 3rd Gen Prelude lived on forum posts and made to order group buys
I just bought a 19 Tacoma 2wd I only did the mild little parts to the truck. Which are just wheels/ tires and running boards. Now my Chevy cobalt only has lowering springs and retrofit headlight. I want a new car to be a good build.
I had a Type RA.. great car! I liked it more than the FK8 I had before it.. it's just more analog and sounds amazing compared to the CTR.. I loved how often I had to shift in the Type RA, which has a shorter 2nd gear than other STIs.. and heel toe was A LOT easier in the Type RA compared to the FK8
Not going to lie. After donut media doing a high budget versus low budget video. I was afraid of what the future may hold for my BRZ (fa24d) coming from two civics, one an '02 LX and then a 2020 EX hatchback. It made me more afraid to be joining the Subaru platform. Especially hearing about the whole RTV situation. Keep in mind, i bought this car for track, daily, and autox. I've always wanted to own a Subaru since I do my best to take care of my things, not just cars. Since I mess around with PCs and build them, I thought I'd give this a go for self confidence on doing mods on my own. I just hope nothing bad happens to her while i do my best to keep her maintained on time and doing mods properly.
Don't sleep on CARFAX. It saved my sisters ass when she almost bought a CR-V for a great price and the odo was spun back 100k. Also one owner cars are king! I blew up my modified Civics transmission after 15 track days last fall and I needed something for the winter. 1 owner Ford Aerostar old guy bought it new 1993, died, and its been a cherry and does RWD burnouts :)
hey im a subaru owner saying his opinion i had a legacy spec b that made 550whp and around 700nm of tq i daily drove it until i bought myself a e34 m5 and my legacy is still kiking ass because is now my track day car
Don’t understand the Subaru hate. Mine (early 18’ STI) has been bulletproof…and it’s been tracked at least ten times in the last 6 years I’ve owned it. I think it’s just a fun car for people to hate. Just like Hondas were 10 years ago.
I own a RX8, And I love it! But it is not for everyone. I am a mechanic, and I know a lot about rotary engines. I own the car for 4 years now, and it has been rebuilt once. This car should not be treated as a piston engine, but most people do. I also have my own garage with all the tools you need. I would never my sell my RX8. Sometimes my passion for it makes my friends want one, but I always tell them that they shouldn't. I you dont have one of these you shouldn't buy one: knowledge, tools, money, patience, frequent maintenance.
I can atleast attest to the previous owner part. I bought my current 2003 Jaguar S type-R from a "one owner" situation, that actually maintained the car (it came with atleast 100 receipts). Its been 6 years now and I'm still waiting for something to actually break/fail. 😆
Great video. Your sponsor made me think that you should look into and talk about the Restrict Act circling congress right now. It has some really negative implications, not to mention ruining some beloved TH-camr sponsorships.
Pretty simple for me. I never buy anything built after 1973. I consider a missing drive train to be a plus. I buy for $1500 add labor and $20k and sell them for a $5k profit. So I made minimum wage while doing what I love!
Bought a wrx to rally cross. Told my friend who races it too that we need to build a back up engine. We finished an engine and 2 races later the 1st engine blew up. Back up engine in now but i know i need another back up lol
Modifying any car is a headache and people should be well aware of the risk going into it. You’re rolling the dice for making the car unreliable especially when it involves the engine. Best thing to do is the standard brakes, tires, suspension (depending), and maybe a modest tune for drivability fuel economy, etc. In the end, these are all road cars and not race cars. A lot of people lack not only lack driver skill but also mechanical skill as well. You gotta pay to play but don’t end up writing a check you can’t cash.
The issue with these are the kids who straight pipe them and think they sound good because their loud and have pops n bangs... it sounds like shit.. You'll realize this when you get older.. ask me how I know, lol..
@Andre G he had to swap the gas tank out for a later year gas tank to fit an aftermarket pump, he just had a bunch of different issues with it. There are other platforms better for boost like bmws that come turboed factory imo
@@Thegreendingler Those have their own problems as well.. as does any platform it seems.. well, the ND2 is pretty bulletproof, long as you don't go crazy with FI.. I definitely prefer NA vehicles a lot more now.. I've had over a dozen turbo 4 cars, so I'm over that, lol.. I want immediate throttle response and proper engine/induction noise these days (over 40)
Well, i bought my car as a roller..... its basically a new car at this point. Still getting it put together. I was afraid of someone elses project, but inevitably ran into issues caused by previous owners. Live and learn.
The ability to handle neglect, to be built like a tank...IS reliability. Almost any car can last if the owner maintains it religiously.. But 95% of vehicle owners don't maintain their vehicle that well.
My 2009 wrx has put me through hell and back at least twice (207500 miles currently) but I don't care if I gotta hold it together with shoelaces and bubblegum I don't think I will ever sell. I've put nothing but name brand parts and paid dearly for not tuning immediately after bit that how I learned. She is about to go into retirement while I set her up to no longer be street legal but you couldn't make me sell with a gun to my head lol.
As a Subaru owner I find this... true. every guy that gets their first Subaru thinks their Ken Block and tries to drift it and crashes or throws on that sick cold air intake and doesn't tune it. I think we have some of the worst and best owners, personally I plan out and buy every supporting mod I can when modifying my car, no cutting corners, and tune for everything. Subarus can last, but like their relationships, the owners don't want to put in the work to make it last.
lol, what you said is 100% true. Subaru has both some of the worst, and some of the best owners. I suppose many other car brands do also, like BMW's definately have a large hooligan base in Europe who destroy them, and also excellent owners. But not all car brands are like this. Porsche for example doesn't have that bro class. Subaru's are cheap + have a big history in rally and motorsport, so it's only natural young people will be attracted to them and hoon around thinking they're Ken Block / Colin McRae, and mod them like clowns. Look at all the crap cosmetic mods people do to them, to give you an idea of how clown some people are. Subaru will always have that segment. But they def have a die-hard fanbase also, who build them extremely well and are very knowledgeable on them. The aftermarket scene and support base is massive. And they are used in many forms of motorsport by serious enthusiasts.
And if you own a Toyota Solara you don’t have to worry about modifying it at all because there isn’t an aftermarket support for it apart from wheels and lowering springs lol
Not really worked on cars before? ✓ Thinks they want to work on cars? ✓ What cheaply modifiable platform? ✓ Need first car? ✓ Live in PNW? ✓ Likes Turbo Subarus? ✓ Like older Subarus? ✓ Gets a Forester XT??... ✓ It has 195k miles? ✓ It's from 2005..? ✓ I have all the ingredients in the recipe for disaster... If I tune this thing it will blow up 🙏
I would say it’s better to buy a modified version of the car you’re looking for. Significantly cheaper. And if for example you don’t like the aftermarket wheels on the car, sell them and buy your own. ‘BuIlT vS bOuGhT’ is stupid as hell, save money and buy an already modified car, since for most modified cars the price of the car doesn’t increase, normally it’s not more to purchase than a stock version.
@@169abr It depends. I didn’t specify, but obviously has to be quality parts. Idk about a Subaru but probably 6 months after I bought my e46 zhp and put a $1200 catback on it, I saw another one on craigslist that was $1,000 more than I paid for mine with similar miles, that had an intake, lsd, supersprint catless headers (which are over a grand), catback, and interior screen. It depends, still love my car but had I not had one than I probably would have gotten that one. A modified car for sale isn’t too bad, I mean it’s not like a stock wrx or bmw or any modifiable car like a camaro/mustang has been used pretty good more or less. But if someone puts money into modifications, has proof of maintenance, there isn’t too much worry. More drastic measures like FI onto a stock NA car, or a cage is a little extreme and would require a serious PPI.
@@M54B30_fan yea I can see if you really know a platform taking the risk knowing what the parts are. I tend to just steer people to platforms I know are reliable and can handle the abuse more and I honestly would only ever dive into an E92 M3 if I picked a BMW. Rod bearings immediately done after I bought it. Otherwise I’m sticking to my American V8’s or the platforms I understand decently well. I won’t touch a Subaru with a 10ft pole after I did my research on them when I wanted one back when I was 16.
My brother recently bought a 09 subaru outback already having a bunch of issues ,tried to get him into a Toyota but ultimately didn't end up happening now I feel he's gonna regret not listening to me but we'll see if he can maintain it ...
"Reliability is a sham, it's about who owned it and how they treated it" Lol! ::looks at Hyundai and the Nissan Sentra:: What car is easy mode to modify? 350z or it's fat cousin the G35. So simple to work on. Live forever even when getting beat tf down.
Learn from my mistakes ladies and gents, do NOT buy a shitbox e46 unless you really like to work on it, really like to break down, and REALLY like to pay out the ass. And even if you find a super clean one that was taken care of, they are pushing 20+ years and require a lot of care and upkeep. Are they a blast? Hell. Yes. But they are also a huge pain in the ass.
What's the car you first learned the painful experience of "Maybe this isn't worth it? Let me know below and PLEASE watch the whole thing, it means a lot
EG Hatch, haha... Really was shining a turd back then.. but hey! that's what your 20's are for!! lol
The third Mazdaspeed3
My current daily, a 18 tlx aspect that I got to replace another bad purchase but I loved that car
@@xnewland9674 #corksport
@@mickeymang6 they are literally .25 miles away from where I live lol
Coming from someone who's sold a 2011 550i with the N63 to buy a 2007 335i with the n54 and an Audi A5 with the 3.2, this is true. You can either be the person to save the car from the grave, or be the one to seal it's fate.
What a morbid, yet painfully accurate way to look at it.
Got to love those high-pressure fuel pumps.
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I've had my 01 subaru impreza 2.5RS and that car has been a tank. Original engine lasted 250k with only 1 set of head gaskets due to coolant/oil leaks. So the head gasket drama is very real. It took plenty of track time, back road time and commuting and engine was solid. I did maintain it with the best parts I could and it's treated me well. Naturally at once the engine started making a little noise I decided to 04 STI swap it, have the engine built from bottom up, new everything on its way in and a month after swapping then entire drive train it was back on track and hasn't skipped a beat. The car is as reliable as you maintain it. Maybe my car is an anomaly but in my experience Subaru's are reliable.
Fellow RS owner! My stock SOHC ej25 exploded at 120k miles and I did an 07 STI swap, and love it. I don't want to know how much I've spent on quality parts and tunes though lol
@@racecarsinc don't look too deep into how much you've spent, you'll cry 😂 i turn a blind eye to my swap expense, I just know it was "worth it"
i hated that engine in my 01 2 door RS...and swapped in the only reliable subaru engine...the EJ207 V7...lets see how long it lasts. the 251 did have 208k miles on it though to be fair.
Been satisfied with my two Subarus. My ‘03 Legacy OBW with the EJ251/5MT has been pretty solid and has held up well with everything I’ve thrown at it (low and high speed off roading, SCCA RX races, spirited backroad driving, etc.) got about 230,000mi on it now and everything on the car works great, it’s my daily too. My other one is a ‘95 Legacy with the EJ22E/5MT and that thing is a tank. When I bought it it had been sitting for a few years, and then a few months later when I went to get it running, all it took was a new alternator and a jump. I bought this car to beat the crap out of it and just mess around with it, and it’s done everything I’ve thrown at it and still runs like new. It lived a rough life before I got it too, but it’s a 300,000mi right now with no problems.
So, I’d say from my experience that Subarus are tanks.
As someone that bought a used fbo 370z as their first sports car it’s the best sports car you can start with, made 340whp bought it from 70k miles used it to 125k miles never had problems never broke down. it was a nice daily that you can have fun with, plus it can take boost the engine can take 600whp but 500-550 is what people recommend to keep it reliable. Honestly if you can find one not abused for 15k usd it’s well worth 👍🏼
I don’t believe u
@@wackoterp7026 used to daily it, used to be a killer in touge too. Used to race down in Oakland and would beat SS, coyotes, scats. Honestly a great option as long as you do the maintenance
@@wackoterp7026 I’ve been driving an fbo Q60s with around 335whp as well (2015 VQ37) and I horse this car around and it’s been super reliable.
@@wackoterp7026 you usually need to build the engine at just around 600hp, I honestly wouldnt run that much boost through a stock 370z block without some engine modifications
I’ve been driving a 6-owner 2010 WRX for just about a year now and surprisingly, it’s holding up amazingly. I have done any performance mods but I have had to replace the clutch week 1. Cold air intake and Nividia exhaust are the only mods really. A previous owner had an AOS im pretty sure but I haven’t went and replaced it yet. I’ve just been focusing on maintenance and it’s been paying off
Just keep her running and don't go crazy with the power mods.. horror stories come from people being careless and boosting the motor like it's a 2jz iron block without the supporting mods lol
Honestly any honda is a good starting point. Tons of mods, tons of tuning experience, there is hondata and ktuner, there is availability of future engine swaps if you blow it up or if you want to go high compression on the j35 or k24, etc etc. You can take a basic accord and make it really fun and its still reliable, you can take any civic from any generation and actually make something of it.
And there is a LOT OF THEM so they are CHEAP.
They are like toyota, but with more mods on the market.
Honda is like the best way to start. Totally agree
I hope one day you do a video on lesser known build platforms. The 1990 - 1994 Mazda Miata and the Mazda Protege LX models in the US shared the same 1.8 BP-ZE motor. In Japan those same Proteges (aka Familia) came in turbo charged versions the 180 hp awd GTX sedan and 210 hp awd 323 GTR hatchbacks. They were meant for Group A rallies and were monsters compared to the Miata in terms of power and traction and the hatchback version was lighter as well. These cars aren't just underrated, they are practically unknown by the car community because of the popularity of the Honda Civic at the time, no one knew that the Protege's iron block 1.8 BP engines were basically built for turbos and went totally under the radar.
Oooo, this is a fun one. I think I can come up with some video ideas and drop it in a week or two! How's that sound?
@@AlexMartini. That sounds sweet. The 90-94 gen Protege was actually my first project car 20 years ago, it would be great to see it get some love. It's lack of after market support lead owners of that build to go actual JDM and perform turbo and engine swaps from their Japanese counterparts and scavenging parts from things like VAF's off of RX-7's and using upside down exhaust cams on the intake side just to make a little more power. It was the wild west for Mazda owners back then.
@@AlexMartini. The 323GTX is a GEM.. I looked into these about a decade ago and they were hard to find.. I can't imagine now.. It's funny.. second time today someone's brought up the 323GTX.. Camissa brought it up earlier today on the Hagerty channel as well
@@russellhenson8117 It was just a mention more than anything from Camissa, but it caught my attention for sure, lol..
Forums.. the good ole days.. I spent HOURS looking through the pic threads on honda-tech and the others lolol..
@@donovanpiko3465 Mazda Probe too ;)
I always go with the tried and true 'pick 2' method when selecting mods/cars to mod..
"Cheap.. Fast.. Reliable.. Pick 2"
Edit: And 10000% the previous owner's maintenance is PARAMOUNT above anything else.. It's the only reason I bought my 987.1 Cayman S (older chap who was high up in the Oregon PCA and took his car to the same p-car shop for 8 years).. Obviously, this was a 'Fast n Reliable' pick.. at least that's what I tell myself in the mirror 😂
Oooo what's done to your 987 nowadays?!
@@AlexMartini. A phone mount and some WeatherTech Mats.. +15whp at least, right???
Joking aside.. plans are to do a 997 GT3 short shifter w/numeric shift cables (OEMs are known to snap), EVOMS intake (more induction noise), and a modified exhaust (probably remove the stock mufflers, which haave integrated 2ndary cats and put Vibrant resonators in their place instead) in the near future..
Then Ohlins R&T coilovers and possibly some Fuchs wheels once the time comes..
As for the elephants in the room (IMS and Bore Scoring).. IMS affects less than 1% of 997.1/987.1 cars.. most cars with the issue have low low miles (the IMS bearing dries out if the car isn't driven regularly).. My car has 85k on it (bought it with 78k), so I ain't sweating this one anymore (I did for awhile though, lol).. The bore scoring, that's a little harder to determine without a borescope.. However one of the tell tell signs is smokey cold start, which I don't have at all.. 0 oil consumption over the last 4k miles (I change it every 5k).. My shop, who's worked on the car for almost 10 years now, says I shouldn't worry and just continue to drive the car, because that's what P-cars like the best..
It completely comes down to the owners for subarus, I have had no problems with mine and it has 400whp and I turn it up to 500whp for track days, but I also know alot of people who go through 1 or 2 engines a year.
Definitely a weird platform and I don't recommend it if your doing engine mods as a civic or integra can make just as much if not more for alot cheaper
But the Hondas wont sound as BEAST as a Subie w/ UELs.. I know you're leaving power on the table with UELs, but idgaf.. I had the AWE CBE w/o mufflers on my STI Type RA and it sounded like Silverbacks fuckin'..
have had a 2006 WRX for 3 years, great car when it behaves. If you take your time and be thorough when working on car quality parts go along way also when you have a Subaru and you do it properly there is nothing more satisfying when you have a perfect running car that is known to blow up if you look at it wrong. always use dealer parts when I can and Haynes manual goes along way. also knowing Subaru wizards is a plus! (I do treat it like a corvette owner) also have a huge folder with pictures of everything I do and keep receipts with dates.
@@jacob5369 "I do treat it like a corvette owner".. so you hardly drive it, your wife is half your age, and you use little blue pills? 😜
I'm waving the flag of bullshit. Subuaru stock blocks can not handle that power.
@@chrxx4327 I mean.. maybe because of the hp he mentioned, and being a subie person, it's implied that the block is built.. Just a thought
maybe this clapped out e36 on marketplace will fix me
Fck we don’t talk about that
It's like that sig other with every red flag possible but they make you feel a way that noone else can. Worth it? yes. Going to ruin you? Also yes.
Do it bro. I bought my shitbox e36 2yrs ago and it has been the most fun car I've ever owned.
This video is amazing! Ive drive bmws and have always had a hard time explaining reliability, you explained it perfectly! I will be showing this video to every person that asks me about what cars are reliable! Thank you lmao
I've owned 2 Mazdaspeed 6s and a Legacy GT. Time to buy a rotary and maximize my temperamental car collection!
Masochist
You might run into a little speed bump if you try to make Martini racing livery.
Im not the best comment on this but it made me realize that even though i want to mod my 2013 Altima 3.5SV, i just do the much needed maintenance and chose to wait till i can get another vehicle.
I decided to work for Nissan and learn everything about my car while i was starting off as a Tech. So i knew a lot of recalls and problems that the Altimas were plagued with but mine never missed a beat. Ive had it for 6 years and when i got it, it was piss poor shape. Now, im glad i took the time to do learn my maintenance, how to fix it if it has problems(Including the dreaded CVT even though i have yet to replace my original one((109k now, 45k 6 years ago))), and know that since i did the preventative maintenance, I wont have problems.
As for mods,....sad to say none. The platform isnt meant to go fast and im fine with that. To me, its a cruiser that needed a decent sound system with subs, aftermarket headlights with a slight JDM look to it and some lowering springs with a decent exhaust note. Its my baby till i get a V8 or something that has a vast aftermarket(Been looking at Mustangs or an ST/RS platform).
For me building a car. Starts off with what do you want the car for. Pick a clean example unless you are doing a full restoration. Research parts availability. Thats a big thing for me. If I cant get simple parts like weather strip or something. But unfortunately most JDM classic cars we are screwed.
I hope you do a video on the 2016 Dodge Dart sometime, I know it’s a totally a shitbox but I love mine and they’re super fun!!
What's all done to yours?!
Yeah everyone I knew that had one sold it. Electrical problems for days. Even new within the warranty period.
Subaru is ❤️ love
Subaru slander is amazing because it still didn’t prevent me from buying 3 subis 😂 and none blew up on me 👍😎 still tho everything you said is right “ thinking “ a subi is reliable is a no no if it ain’t new she’s abused !
Hey I would love to see if a Lotus is a good car to build in the long run or short term just in general lol
Depends on the Lotus. A lot of older Lotuses have typical British reliability issues, but lots of modern ones use Toyota engines. So some Lotuses like the Elise, Evora, and I think the Emira can be reliable.
If you have enough money for a lotus you should have enough money to put your ideas into reality, they don’t really have much of a market for (1-2 trustworthy companies) and what they do have that is at least of the same quality in the car is extremely expensive. It would be wise to keep it stock unless you can either do it yourself or are willing to dump a ton of money into companies that are “tried and true”.
Edit: now… with that all being said. If it’s the lotus elise then I’d refer you to the mr2 community (including me ;)
@Nathaniel Virgo thank you for the advice that makes a ton of sense in the grand scheme of things, I've wanted an Elise for the past few years and hopefully soon I would be able to get a gen2 with the slight redesign and the bump in power, the cost of entry although is what has been my main problem as I wanted it as a project car to make a gorgeous "street fighter" but with the base cost going from 55-80k used I don't what would be possible portraying to my bugget, if there are any other recommendations on generally similar cars that I haven't looked into I would love to know, thank you for being so helpful my friend!🔥
Which lotus are you referring to? That'll make a huge determination on the answer :p
@AlexMartini I think you posted your comment before my prior reply was for someone else so, what I was looking at was the S2 Lotus Elise preferably in the 2005-2007 years and I was looking at something in decent quality but as I mentioned the cost can easily make it above 45,000 for one in very good condition, am I looking in the completely wrong places or are there better alternatives for my budget. I am stuck on this car as it has been a dream car for awhile but I'm not 100% on it, what are your recommendations?
Oh boy I've had an insane lineup of cars for being young, but In the field (as the younger audience here), get a car you can afford on your budget, I've dailyed my 987 boxster then my s60r, both cars are immaculate and fun to drive, but the cost of ownership is extraordinary expensive, especially if your younger, so please be mindful, and notice that your jb4, ecs, ipd, and whatever tunes you get will probably cost ya a pretty penny in the long run
Merry Christmas to you too Alex :)
I see a Toyota mr2 sw20 for sell on my walk to get tropical smoothie cafe there’s a battery on the passenger seat it has f355 front bumper it’s kinda hanging and there is a rusty slash front right fender but that’s my dream car I start to see more around and just hope I can get one before the get over inflated
I think any BMW E90 with the N52 motor, even better a manual, is a really great option. Mine has treated me well for the past 5yrs. But if you're looking for tuning, I don't think this platform is for you since the motor doesn't really like that
8:00 Lol my video buffered just before you said "stutter" 😂
GOT EM ahahah
Really excited about MartiniWorks
Im the 5th owner of my Ford Probe GT and because I stuck with it to undo the previous damages I feel like im the correct owner. Just wished more ppl had owned one of these and had after market support.
He's right. You have to be willing to tinker with the car. Do all the maintenance. When you notice a smell check it out. Check your damn oil if you're hooning it. Checking the parts you installed.
🎉yay, another Alex martini video, thx for uploading Quality Content.🎉
Appreciate all the love and support
How about Honda ? They also make bulletproof cars
S2000 hands down the BEST platform under 20k
People for some reason really sleep on Si's
I would say any bmw with b58, most reliable and easy to modify. BMW is also #1 on consumer reports now, guess what they use, b48 and b58 on most their models. Even Toyota Supra using b58, inline six. N55 also pretty reliable if previous owner took care of it.
mk4 and up gti's. built to last till 300 000km IF you do regular maintenance and because there german this include water pumps, and most importantly timing jobs so your valves and pistons don't have there first kiss.
The answer clearly is the 2002 1.2L Seat Ibiza
HE'S BACK, Seat guy is here.
we gotta find away to get this pinned!
@@YeahItsYourBoyG does this become the community meme?
on the toyota note in the beginning, i have a 2008 scion XD that was running on 1qt of oil and the exhaust cam was 180° off. only
problem was a cylinder 2 misfire and ofc a “timing over advanced” code.
Merry Christmas
I’ll still pick my Subaru, be super reliable motor wise. The power steering rack on the other hand… needs work on haha.
A big mistake a LOT of people make is buying a high maintenance car for their first modified car. You don't need an E60 M5, E93 M3, Subaru anything, rotaries, etc etc for the first car you modify.
There is nothing wrong with having a Miata, a Civic Si, 2V/3V Mustang, G35/37, 4th Gen Firebird/Camaro, ISxxx... They're all great cars and car teach you the basics of driving, and most importantly are more likely to forgive your mistakes.
heck, even the "less common" mach 1's with the 4v are still cheap rn too, low maintenance and take very little to reach 300+ wheel.. ..maybe not as easy as those civics though ;)
@@YeahItsYourBoyG I love the new edge Mach’s, they’re just harder to find in my specific area. Azure blue with some deep dish stocks is 🤌🏻
Excellent Segway into that sponsorship read.
Is there an aftermarket for the car you want to build, major or grassroots? That’s a big one for ease of modding. 3rd Gen Prelude lived on forum posts and made to order group buys
I just bought a 19 Tacoma 2wd I only did the mild little parts to the truck. Which are just wheels/ tires and running boards. Now my Chevy cobalt only has lowering springs and retrofit headlight. I want a new car to be a good build.
I have a 2016 sti bone stock 72,000 miles on it. The maintenance on it is crazy. It’s just one thing after another. I still love it tho😂
I have a 2015 sti no regrets 😂
Volvo 240 series, 740 series, 940 series
Saab 900, 9⁵ Aero 2.3, 9³ 2.0T
i want a 22b or wrx sti type RA so baaaad
Good luck
I had a Type RA.. great car! I liked it more than the FK8 I had before it.. it's just more analog and sounds amazing compared to the CTR.. I loved how often I had to shift in the Type RA, which has a shorter 2nd gear than other STIs.. and heel toe was A LOT easier in the Type RA compared to the FK8
Not going to lie. After donut media doing a high budget versus low budget video. I was afraid of what the future may hold for my BRZ (fa24d) coming from two civics, one an '02 LX and then a 2020 EX hatchback. It made me more afraid to be joining the Subaru platform. Especially hearing about the whole RTV situation. Keep in mind, i bought this car for track, daily, and autox. I've always wanted to own a Subaru since I do my best to take care of my things, not just cars. Since I mess around with PCs and build them, I thought I'd give this a go for self confidence on doing mods on my own. I just hope nothing bad happens to her while i do my best to keep her maintained on time and doing mods properly.
Well said. From the thumbnail, I thought I was going to have to revoke my vote for you as automotive spokesman of the midwest. But you are the truth
Don't sleep on CARFAX. It saved my sisters ass when she almost bought a CR-V for a great price and the odo was spun back 100k.
Also one owner cars are king! I blew up my modified Civics transmission after 15 track days last fall and I needed something for the winter.
1 owner Ford Aerostar old guy bought it new 1993, died, and its been a cherry and does RWD burnouts :)
hey im a subaru owner saying his opinion i had a legacy spec b that made 550whp and around 700nm of tq i daily drove it until i bought myself a e34 m5 and my legacy is still kiking ass because is now my track day car
I SAW MY THREAD! IM ON TH-cam NOW MA! WE MADE IT
Pro tip - Put a second mortgage on your parents house and use that as a down payment on a Koenigsegg. And then modify it. Step 2 - Win the internet.
Or a Gallardo. Depending on the value of your parents home.
Don’t understand the Subaru hate. Mine (early 18’ STI) has been bulletproof…and it’s been tracked at least ten times in the last 6 years I’ve owned it. I think it’s just a fun car for people to hate. Just like Hondas were 10 years ago.
I own a RX8, And I love it! But it is not for everyone. I am a mechanic, and I know a lot about rotary engines. I own the car for 4 years now, and it has been rebuilt once. This car should not be treated as a piston engine, but most people do. I also have my own garage with all the tools you need. I would never my sell my RX8. Sometimes my passion for it makes my friends want one, but I always tell them that they shouldn't. I you dont have one of these you shouldn't buy one: knowledge, tools, money, patience, frequent maintenance.
Oil injection system set up? Or you premix?
@@mickeymang6 premix always, just for security.
Ah yes, my daily dose of grown up dib talking about cars. Love it
So a viper
Viper is always the answer.
I can atleast attest to the previous owner part. I bought my current 2003 Jaguar S type-R from a "one owner" situation, that actually maintained the car (it came with atleast 100 receipts). Its been 6 years now and I'm still waiting for something to actually break/fail. 😆
I buy Toyota's only and modify them. The number one most reliable and overlooked cars.
Great video.
Your sponsor made me think that you should look into and talk about the Restrict Act circling congress right now. It has some really negative implications, not to mention ruining some beloved TH-camr sponsorships.
Unreal video. Keep up the great work.
Another slam dunk sports balls home decker….touchdown? 🤘🔥😎🔥🤘
It all depends on the scope of modification you aim to do on the car.
Honda's in general, are the best.
Pretty simple for me. I never buy anything built after 1973. I consider a missing drive train to be a plus. I buy for $1500 add labor and $20k and sell them for a $5k profit. So I made minimum wage while doing what I love!
Bought a wrx to rally cross. Told my friend who races it too that we need to build a back up engine. We finished an engine and 2 races later the 1st engine blew up. Back up engine in now but i know i need another back up lol
Modifying any car is a headache and people should be well aware of the risk going into it. You’re rolling the dice for making the car unreliable especially when it involves the engine. Best thing to do is the standard brakes, tires, suspension (depending), and maybe a modest tune for drivability fuel economy, etc. In the end, these are all road cars and not race cars. A lot of people lack not only lack driver skill but also mechanical skill as well. You gotta pay to play but don’t end up writing a check you can’t cash.
Why yes I do wanna be the 7th owner of this 04 wrx in four years :)))
At 215,000 miles
Really trying to figure out the best way to big turbo my 2.0 A5 B8, Bruce Custom Motors has been a huge resource for anything Audi related .
ECS Tuning
370s g37s get a bad reputation but they love the modifications and handle them very well. Just keep fresh fuilds in there and your good.
The issue with these are the kids who straight pipe them and think they sound good because their loud and have pops n bangs... it sounds like shit.. You'll realize this when you get older.. ask me how I know, lol..
They don't like boost too much. My buddy supercharged his g37 and had a bunch of fuel pump and compression issues
@@Thegreendingler Sounds like he did it wrong if he didnt upgrade the fuel system to account for the additional air from the SC..
@Andre G he had to swap the gas tank out for a later year gas tank to fit an aftermarket pump, he just had a bunch of different issues with it. There are other platforms better for boost like bmws that come turboed factory imo
@@Thegreendingler Those have their own problems as well.. as does any platform it seems.. well, the ND2 is pretty bulletproof, long as you don't go crazy with FI.. I definitely prefer NA vehicles a lot more now.. I've had over a dozen turbo 4 cars, so I'm over that, lol.. I want immediate throttle response and proper engine/induction noise these days (over 40)
Instant anxiety reaching for the nonexistent keyboard and mouse? 😂😂😂. It's ok Mr. Martini.
Well, i bought my car as a roller..... its basically a new car at this point. Still getting it put together. I was afraid of someone elses project, but inevitably ran into issues caused by previous owners. Live and learn.
The ability to handle neglect, to be built like a tank...IS reliability. Almost any car can last if the owner maintains it religiously..
But 95% of vehicle owners don't maintain their vehicle that well.
Hey Alex, should I supercharge the rust bucket miata in my Grandma's garage that's been sitting for 10 years?
My 2009 wrx has put me through hell and back at least twice (207500 miles currently) but I don't care if I gotta hold it together with shoelaces and bubblegum I don't think I will ever sell. I've put nothing but name brand parts and paid dearly for not tuning immediately after bit that how I learned. She is about to go into retirement while I set her up to no longer be street legal but you couldn't make me sell with a gun to my head lol.
As a Subaru owner I find this... true. every guy that gets their first Subaru thinks their Ken Block and tries to drift it and crashes or throws on that sick cold air intake and doesn't tune it. I think we have some of the worst and best owners, personally I plan out and buy every supporting mod I can when modifying my car, no cutting corners, and tune for everything. Subarus can last, but like their relationships, the owners don't want to put in the work to make it last.
lol, what you said is 100% true. Subaru has both some of the worst, and some of the best owners.
I suppose many other car brands do also, like BMW's definately have a large hooligan base in Europe who destroy them, and also excellent owners. But not all car brands are like this. Porsche for example doesn't have that bro class.
Subaru's are cheap + have a big history in rally and motorsport, so it's only natural young people will be attracted to them and hoon around thinking they're Ken Block / Colin McRae, and mod them like clowns. Look at all the crap cosmetic mods people do to them, to give you an idea of how clown some people are. Subaru will always have that segment. But they def have a die-hard fanbase also, who build them extremely well and are very knowledgeable on them. The aftermarket scene and support base is massive. And they are used in many forms of motorsport by serious enthusiasts.
And if you own a Toyota Solara you don’t have to worry about modifying it at all because there isn’t an aftermarket support for it apart from wheels and lowering springs lol
Ya'll need more UTE's...Jus sayin'.
And I'm here trying to buy my first fun car and looking at old Honda Civic EGs xD
I will not stop modifying my subaru :(
I'm stuck between a mk5 supra and a audi rs5 b9 for a daily/track car and can't decide between which lol
I love my subaru impreza even tho it's slow 🐌
No matter how much they hate, I’m still modding my Subaru
Not that they hate it, just that it tends to blow up
Headgasket leaves the chat
@@trilliamogdlocog4986 new block enters the chat. It’s for the love homie. Never selling my STI. I’ll rebuild it again and again
@@fordifly1368I respect it, I'm just fwu boss I feel you gotta love what you love.
Out of all Stis you picked a 08?
Got this notification as soon as my mechanic called to tell me my car needs a new engine (Subaru Baja Turbo)
Any opinions from anyone on mk3 focus st's as a first "enthusiast" car?
Best car to modify: one you can get for free that still has a decent aftermarket behind it (i.e. my 2003 ford focus sedan).
Not really worked on cars before? ✓
Thinks they want to work on cars? ✓
What cheaply modifiable platform? ✓
Need first car? ✓
Live in PNW? ✓
Likes Turbo Subarus? ✓
Like older Subarus? ✓
Gets a Forester XT??... ✓
It has 195k miles? ✓
It's from 2005..? ✓
I have all the ingredients in the recipe for disaster... If I tune this thing it will blow up 🙏
I have a 2022 wrx and "no regratz" 😅.
I did this the wrong way I got the engine and transmission before the car
9/10 video, needs more Subaru slander.
Subarus are easy. You just gotta take care of the car and the car will take care of you
Merry Xmas? But it's not July yet
My man here straight spitting the painful truth. Change your damn oil!
that car is the honda prelude
I would say it’s better to buy a modified version of the car you’re looking for. Significantly cheaper. And if for example you don’t like the aftermarket wheels on the car, sell them and buy your own.
‘BuIlT vS bOuGhT’ is stupid as hell, save money and buy an already modified car, since for most modified cars the price of the car doesn’t increase, normally it’s not more to purchase than a stock version.
Depends on the car and the knowledge a person has on that platform, wouldn't ever buy a used and modified BMW or Subaru
@@169abr It depends. I didn’t specify, but obviously has to be quality parts. Idk about a Subaru but probably 6 months after I bought my e46 zhp and put a $1200 catback on it, I saw another one on craigslist that was $1,000 more than I paid for mine with similar miles, that had an intake, lsd, supersprint catless headers (which are over a grand), catback, and interior screen. It depends, still love my car but had I not had one than I probably would have gotten that one.
A modified car for sale isn’t too bad, I mean it’s not like a stock wrx or bmw or any modifiable car like a camaro/mustang has been used pretty good more or less. But if someone puts money into modifications, has proof of maintenance, there isn’t too much worry. More drastic measures like FI onto a stock NA car, or a cage is a little extreme and would require a serious PPI.
@@M54B30_fan yea I can see if you really know a platform taking the risk knowing what the parts are.
I tend to just steer people to platforms I know are reliable and can handle the abuse more and I honestly would only ever dive into an E92 M3 if I picked a BMW. Rod bearings immediately done after I bought it. Otherwise I’m sticking to my American V8’s or the platforms I understand decently well. I won’t touch a Subaru with a 10ft pole after I did my research on them when I wanted one back when I was 16.
Alfa owners are best with maintenance
GTI GANG
Me out here trying to modify my volvo being limited to just a few aftermarket companies :(
Btw he was kidding about the merry Christmas part, not the part about you modifying your shit subaru
Not me having bought a Subaru br86 as a first car to modify and now my wallet and I are regretting it
My brother recently bought a 09 subaru outback already having a bunch of issues ,tried to get him into a Toyota but ultimately didn't end up happening now I feel he's gonna regret not listening to me but we'll see if he can maintain it ...
"Reliability is a sham, it's about who owned it and how they treated it" Lol! ::looks at Hyundai and the Nissan Sentra:: What car is easy mode to modify? 350z or it's fat cousin the G35. So simple to work on. Live forever even when getting beat tf down.
Learn from my mistakes ladies and gents, do NOT buy a shitbox e46 unless you really like to work on it, really like to break down, and REALLY like to pay out the ass. And even if you find a super clean one that was taken care of, they are pushing 20+ years and require a lot of care and upkeep. Are they a blast? Hell. Yes. But they are also a huge pain in the ass.
I want a Porsche 944 so badly.......