I hear you on the Pilot argument however the Passport won me over as it was about 10 inches shorter and felt much more nimble to drive. Plus I have an aversion to infotainment screens that are stuck on top of the dash.
Shopped for 7ish months before I bought a new car. What I REALLY wanted was a new Rav4 TRD with the 3.5 V6. But settled for almost this exact same Passport. I dislike CVTs, 4 popper turbos, too much tech, so this Honda was perfect for me. This is not a "fast car" but it's 0-60 in the low 6's and passing on the highway it hauls. Cornering and road handling is a lot better than I expected and taking it on long trips has been a pleasure.
I added a VCM tuner to my 2019 Pilot EX-L front wheel drive with six speed transmission mid 2021 when I began experiencing what I thought was torque converter vibration when the engine was in 3-cylinder mode along with RPM’s fluctuations. The tuner was added around 55,000 miles. The installation didn’t take long and was reasonably easy to install. Right afterward, the vibration went away and the RPM’s stopped fluctuating. Since 2021, I have had no problems regarding the device and my average mileage dropped 1/2 per gallon. Now, the Pilot has 115,000 miles and runs like a champ. Timing belt service done at 105,000 miles.
My next Jseries (3rd) will have the muzzler. You have Any issues with either vtec valve leaking? Front one is over Alternator. ‘09 Odyssey’s alternator was replaced in ‘21. Rear VTEC failed on I95 700 miles from home(at 150k miles)Had both Vtec valves replaced ($1200) . Now, 3 yrs later, oil leaking again, Alternator shot again, (182k miles) -
Base Passport is an AWD EX-L -> $42,400 Base Pilot is a Sport which lacks a lot of features -> $42,400 with AWD Pilot in EX-L trim -> $45,600 with AWD What is the issue with the price again?
1) VCM can be disabled with a fairly cheap after market device (2) For some people who don't need a 3rd row, the Pilot may be too large (3) New V6 on the Pilot hasn't been out long enough to say that it is reliable plus owner reviews on Edmunds suggest that they haven't worked out all the new generation kinks (4) dealers are offering deals on this (>$4K off MSRP). Agree that direct injection only is not ideal. I would recommend a 2 year old used one (they refreshed the look back in 2022) with about 30,000 miles, which if you are in a large metro area, can be found for $10K less than new.
Argument that the Pilot is cheaper is not valid for Trailsport model...I got 4500 off my recent purchase of this exact vehicle in Radiant Red as shown,,,dealer would not budge more than 500 off Pilot trailsport...so apples to apples with trailsport model the Passport is much cheaper than Pilot in a real world scenario...besides i love my Vtec engine!
My J32A2 in my previous '03 Acura CL-Type-S, was utterly bulletproof. I even hydrolocked it one time after driving over a flooded bridge, forgetting my cold air intake was on the bottom. It sucked in water, locked the engine, and had me stranded almost floating in the middle of the bridge...thank god the river didn't rise anymore while I was there. All i had to do to get it going after being pulled out, was pull the spark plugs, turn the engine over a few times, it spit all the water out, back in the plugs went, and it started right up. I had close to 300K miles on it by the time I got rid of it. It actually sat in my driveway for almost 3 years in the end (i was planning to do something with it), the day the tow truck came to pick it up, guy through a jump pack on it, got in and it started right up. He just drove it on the trailer. Someone is gonna be lucky to find it at a junk yard, it had a ton of aftermakrt parts on it, like the comptech ice box intake, comptech headers, comptech exhaust, adjustable Tien Super Street dampers (with custom spring rates, and custom tuned valving), electronic dampening controller motors on all the shocks, with the conteoller inside, lightweight pulleys, oil cooler, trans cooler, DLS speakers and crossovers (I pulled the capacitor, subs, and amps), underbody LED lighting and controller, and a Pioneer Z series DVD head unit, and a custom dash that moves the original GPS/Head screen unit down, to make space for the Pioneer. Plus some other bits and bobs. It was also completely dynamated, with double layered dynamat on the doors (interior panels and outter door panels). It was a fully running car...I just wanted to rebuild the motor...and convert it to manual, which is why it sat there in my driveway.
Oh yeah I also custom mounted an Apexi NEO A/F and VTEC piggyback controller in the sunglass holder. So you could open and close it, and the Unit would just slowly drop/lower down when you opened it. Perfect viewing location, but you could hide it if you didn't want the distraction.
First, let me say that i appreciate and really like your reviews. This one is no exception; a great and honest review. However, I'm not aligned with the Pilot over a Passport. I prefer and bought the Passport over the Pilot for a few reasons. First, it's nearly 11 inches shorter than the Pilot. In fact, it's 2 inches shorter than my wife's Sonata. That means when I park it in my garage, I have 11 inches more room. I can walk around the entire car, where I'd be unable to with the pilot. Not everyone wants more because more is available. The Pilot EX-L has 18" wheels while the Passport EX-L has 20" wheels and is about $1k cheaper with wider and lower profile tires. I don't like the new Pilot update with the ugly pillar in the back. It makes it look too much like an old-school Ford Explorer. I don't understand why Honda did that. Also, I like that in the Passort there's a dedicated cargo area that isn't seats. I can put things in, and nothing falls down the sides as it does with the Pilot when the third-row seats are folded. I've had a longer vehicle. I drove one for 22 years. Never again. Finally, though the price may seem like the Pilot could be less, it's more because a dealer is far less willing to be haggled down for a Pilot than for a Passport. I love my Passport and wouldn't trade it for a Pilot. Keep up the great reviews. They're fantastic and great information!
I understand your points, and they’re all valid. However, the cylinder deactivation is a deal breaker. Very few vehicles with this technology make it to post 150,000 mies without major work. Yes, you can “deactivate” it by ading an after-market device, but then you void your power-train warrantee. In the best world, Honda would put the updated V-6 they use for the Pilot into the Passport. Cylinder deactivation was done to pass emission/fuel economy goals, knowing it would take a severe toll on long-term reliability. Honda jsut needs to get through it’s warranty period, then has little care for it’s customer with this engine.
@@Rob-ou1fj Interesting. Well, considering that I drove a 2000 Chevy Silverado for 22 years and managed to rack up a whole 110k miles, it sounds like it'll work out fine for me. Maybe Honda will come out with an improved Passport with a mild hybrid - which would help gas mileage a LOT - before I even get to 60k with mine. Cheers!
I had a 2021, so, same car. I found the drivetrain to be great, but aspects of the car were plagued with weird electronic things or build quality issues. Also, the shape is so rounded that it was hard to really know where the edges of the car are - but I suppose that's true of a lot of modern cars. I priced out the cost of services up to 100k and suggested service is really quite affordable. AWD was great, as was power delivery. Mine was built during COVID times and the color of the bumpers didn't match the body. That big space at the bottom of the windshield is a great gatherer of snow; quite a pain in Wyoming winters. Rear windshield wiper would freeze in the winter, but it always engages in reverse, so it would break the windshield wiper. Really good interior space. Overall, quite a mixed bag; fortunately it was a lease. Oh, and the self-driving tech and radar warnings were truly horrible: couldn't deal with corners and would yell at you when there were cars in the opposite direction.
The new CRV with the 1.5T is beautiful to drive. I'd get the 2WD version. The 1.5T pairs great with the CVT. Just have to change the oil every 3000 miles, let the turbo cool down by idling for a minute after each drive. And don't hammer it too hard. Should last 150k. I currently have a 2022 Ridgeline with same engine and trans as the passport, and I'm wanting the CRV now. Just nicer to book around in it. Ridgeline is still nice though. Average 23mpg with VCM disabled. I change my own oil every 3 or 4000 miles max.53,000 miles and the thing just purrs. Smooth as butter.
@@colingoldthorpe5918just because you have a Honda, you are NEVER convincing anyone Honda is better than Toyota. This is coming from me with a Acura rdx. Stop being silly
I feel like the VCM stuff is overblown. I have a 2014 V6 with 111k on it. Engine is in great shape, doesn't burn oil and pretty good MPGs in the highway. I love the sounds of it too!
I have a 2016 with 143k mi and it doesn't have the smoothest transition between modes. Ours has been on the highway ALOT so I think it's why I'm starting to see issues now. Not burning oil tho thankfully
I have a 2021 and 54k miles. So far it’s been proven trouble free. The only issue is it’s not a cheap maintenance car. Diff fluid change every 30k miles and transmission fluid first 60k and then 30k afterwards.
@@jasonsong86Not true. Other car manufacturers just claim that you can change these fluid less often but it's just marketing to make it look cheaper yo maintain it. Look at other video of Car Nut. He actually talks about it. Mechanics and owner you are willing to do some maintenance themselves, love Hondas for simplicity and easy of maintenance. The only thing that is a pain is switching battery because it is set and secured like tank but I suspect that all cars do that now because of massive recall due to fires. Yes, fires nothing related to EV's. Check huge recall on Toyota Rav before 2019.
For those of you talking trash about VCM, get a VCM muzzler. Or if you want it completely gone, get a K Tuner. I have a 13 accord with the VCM deleted. It runs like a top. I also have a 2006 Accord with no VCM delete, and it has 240k on it. The worst I have had to do is clean the EGR valves, service transmission, spark plugs, replace the radiator, and service the timing belt. VCM isn't a completely trash system. I've been on both ends of the spectrum
Honda V6s are one of the rare instances where an aftermarket product is recommended: A variable cylinder management disabler. I put an S-VCM on my Pilot and it works great. It uses the factory harness connections and retains all other safeguards. The only difference is your temp gage reads a hair lower and you lose about 0.5-1 mpgs.
i have a pilot with this same engine. build quality is excellent never had an issue. one recall for side view mirrors falling off and one for some electrical gremlins but overall a great vehicle. Not a rattle or squeak either. as amd said fit and finish are excellent. roomy back. had a highlander which was great too before and think i will get another honda next time
Honda V6s are one of the rare instances where an aftermarket product is recommended: A variable cylinder management disabler. I put an S-VCM on my Pilot and it works great. It uses the factory harness connections and retains all other safeguards. The only difference is your temp gage reads a hair lower and you lose about 0.5-1 mpgs, but worth it for not messing up your engine.
What year is your Pilot ? I have a 2023 Ridgeline with a shudder between 22-28 mph which I believe is vcm related as Honda dealership says there is no problem.
My guess is you would lose more than a single mpg running at full six. Do you use cruise control for highway drives? Anyway, thank you. That's wicked that such a thing exists. I guess the question still remains; longevity or gas savings?
This is a great review to address the price difference! People including myself may think that a higher price car means that it’s better than a lower price car from the same car manufacturer.
We drove both before settling on a telluride. The passport was more maneuverable being 10 in shorter. But the ride wasn’t as good as the pilots. And you definitely noticed it being a last gen model. I think they make it just to have a 5 seat mid size suv to compete. It’s that next step up for budding families. Had an accord. Got married and need awd. Not ready for the stigma of a 3 row and the crv is a little too small
I always find your videos so well informed and well done. I have this exact vehicle (including color) as the one you are reviewing and appreciate your complete rundown of it. Frankly i am not concerned about the VCM issue you speak of..as my brother has a 2019 Passport with 170000 miles on it with same engine setup and runs like new...Just change the oil every 5000 miles and do maintenance and it will last...so that is not concern...The transmission issue with always being in park unless hydraulics build up somewhat a concern and the fact that they made release so hard to get to is puzzling.,,,further i looked at the pilot and did not like the styling of it and i love that the passport is more nimble,,,what i love about my passport is that it is peppy as hell....i mean 0 to 60 in 5.9 seconds is nothing to sneeze at....I dont love push button trans but dont hate it either...Interior is roomy as hell and frankly i absolutely love the way it looks...To each his own...But this car is built very well....Ill keep it a decade and buy something else....Thanks for the review!
Can you do one on the naturally aspirated 158hp Honda HRV? I really think people are sleeping on this vehicle even though it is not powerful. A great small family to and from school in winter as well as a daily driver. Everyone skips talking about the HRV. Would love a review.
The wife and i both own 2021 Passports and love them. We liked some of what you said here was the down sides compared to the Pilot, we liked it being 11" shorter and i really thought the motors were the same?? Either way, both great vehicles! I am on the fence about disabling the vcm. Thanks for sharing this detailed review! New sub here sir!
My parents bought a new 2024 Passport earlier this year and had nothing but problems with it. It’s left them stranded three times because the battery keeps dying. However, two Honda dealerships can’t find a problem with it. Alternator is working fine and they’ve replaced the battery twice. I suspect it’s parasitic losses due to the car’s electronics. They’re looking into whether the lemon laws in their state apply. The lack of support and knowledge from Honda’s dealerships is concerning.
It is a very good, well built, powerful and comfortable vehicle. My only critiques are the lousy “intelligent cruise control,” which is not very intelligent, and the stupid shifter. Its shorter length sealed the deal over the Pilot.
I ran into battery draining issue twice on my 10 year old Honda Civic. My dealership found the issue with the proximity door sensor on the driver seat so they disabled it. I didn’t think it was worth it for me to pay money to replace the sensor since I have over 280,000km on this car and am saving money to purchase a new car next year. I hope you can get a new vehicle and start over. I had great time with my Civic and probably get passport for family needs. Good luck!
Absolutely need to see you cover the new redesigned 2026 Passport Trailsport, I hear they're coming in early 2025 or so. And I'm curious how it will compare.
Good video but holy moly there is a lot of noise in the background. I don't know which NLE you are using but most of them have something like a noise filter which have an input functionality (e.g. a short clip of the noise only) and output the sound excluding that specific noise 😀
I have had Pilots from every generation save the most recent. My first was a 2003, the very first Pilot. Each generation has gotten bigger and bigger. The time came to replace our '18 Pilot. When the Passport was (re)introduced, I realized that this new Passport has reverted to the dimensions of the original '03, which I liked very, very much. If you compare the size of my '23 Passport to the size of my '03, the '23 is within an inch or two all around. In my life, I don't need three rows; most all the time, one does very nicely. The nearly one foot difference between the Passport and the Pilot is a big plus, particularly in the garage. The Passport feels more nimble than the recent Pilots, yet we give up nothing in interior (first row) space and amenities. From now on, it will be Passports for us. NOTE: The rear bumper is not a concern because we've fitted a SuperBumper that we've used on our two previous pilots. Woe will befall to anyone who rear ends us!
I don’t understand why car manufacturers keep making cars bigger and bigger! Like bigger is better? Not always. I have a 2011 Acura TSX and it is not too big amd not to small, just perfect size, but new Acura sedans are bigger than mine amd i don’t think near as nice looking as mine😊
I was considering one of these, and got excited when you mentioned "old school timing belt V6". I'm not considering one anymore as soon as you mentioned direct injection and "VCM"
As for pricing, the Passport starts at EX-L where the Pilot starts at Sport so not equal comparison. The Passport is gonna be cheaper if comparing the same trim. True it seems like Pilot offer bigger space for not much more. However not everyone is asking for more space. The Pilot is on the slow side with the naturally aspirated V6. The Passport is not exactly rocket-ship but a little faster.
I like VCM in this case because it’s easily defeated by the owner and has enabled Honda to keep this sweet V-6 under hood without resorting to turbo 4s like almost all their competition.
You can grumble about Honda and their quirks, but this is a well sorted SUV that is genuinely fun to drive and comes alive with that old school v-tech. This thing is a blast to drive around the backroads. Terrible gas mileage when compared to Highlander. My 2018 Highlander is typical Toyota quality but a bore to drive in comparison. Both are good cars in their own right, just two very different experiences.
We had a newer Honda disabled in our lot with a broken oil pan, first two tow drivers couldn’t get it into neutral, 3rd driver was 6 hours later, guy waited all day.
Vcm doesn't mean anything really to but to save gas. No problems at All from my 2007 Honda Odyssey on 150k plus. Just works in the background to save gas if your coasting. Great reliable motor, I can still do burn outs.
Cadillac had a V8/6/4 engine back in 1981. It was a silly idea then and not any better today. Fuel economy requires a smaller vehicle with reasonable power and 4 cylinders. We had cars like this in the 1960’s. It amazes me that pickup trucks, not needed by the vast majority, are the vehicle many still buy today. Fuel economy isn’t important I guess.
“Am I missing something here?” Yes, the Passport is 10” shorter, which is the “garage reason” I needed, and hardly ever used my 3rd row when I owned a Pilot. The Passport is 5” bigger than the CRV, and 10” shorter than the Pilot….and for me and Goldilocks, the Passport was “just right”.
The Passport is also shorter and the spare tire is protected by being inside the car and not hanging underneath. You might not think of it as a big deal, but its way easier to deal with inside the car.
Interesting this Gen is going into its 6th year when Honda usually does major changes every 5 years And almost no difference from my wife's 2019. We love that the screen is actually in the dash where it belongs.
GJ! Pls consider reviewing the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV and the Nissan Sentra or the Kicks Plus a car with a Chinese platform like Volvo or Lotus Also a Porche and a Ferrari if possible 🤍 Appreciated!
As a 2019 Passport owner, I love this car except for 3 things: the Honda Sensing suite, the auto stop/start system, and the ZF transmission. If I could convert it to be more mechanical instead of electrical I would. I like the performance of the transmission, but operating it via buttons and it being controlled by a computer irks me to no end. But it is a great vehicle, and I still like it over the Pilot because it has more ground clearance, better tech, and cheaper in the used market. I won't buy either new, or any car for that matter.
I am watching the old show Dallas and am enjoying seeing all the old cars. What has struck me is how different cars looked back then. Nowadays there isn’t much difference between each SUVs, sedans and pickups. Kind of boring actually, they all look alike with small differences here and there. What happened to individuality? When i was growing up you didn’t need the badge to identify the car, you just knew😌
The spare situation is because they shortened the back of the car from a Pilot that the spare won’t fit under the car anymore. Also, you can lift the trunk cover without removing the plastic tub. It’s just two small clips attaching both.
I'm having Honda Passport 2021 Touring and the main issues with it are knocking engine (crank shaft knocks) and transmission kicking (dog clutch between 4th and 5th gear) + some small announces like squawking driver char, whistling hvac, clicking stabilizer bar link, 3 tail gate power-struts replacements, 2 timing belt tensioners. That is all at 22K miles and under full Honda warranty when Honda refuses to do repairs to engine and transmission until failure. Should you buy Honda? I'm looking for 5th gen 4Runner to forget this Honda.
Dear AMD, In your professional opinion In the interest of reliability, would you buy a Turbo Highlander, Tacoma, Land cruiser over a Cylinder deactivated Pilot, Ridgeline, Passport? (At least in my unprofessional knowledge but searching online I would not buy any of those Toyotas, in my opinion / comfort level.)
Turbos and Batteries add more complexity to the drive trains. More complexity = more maintenance. Simplicity is the key. (IMHO) VTEC is a wonderful thing as it works similarly to turbo with much less components, right? More oxygen/better burn cycle. Why this was never expanded on by Honda is beyond me. Turbos aren't a fix. Superchargers however!
@@MichaelBevilacqua sadly EPA is not helping. Look at Acura. To build a fun car they have to go VCM + Turbo route. IMO Toyota have proven that Turbo route is a sh*t show. From GR Corollas catching on fire to big Tundras with main baring issues. AMD had clearly said in an old video Turbo will never be reliable as a N/A. Atleast on my FB profile I shared a screenshot of Toyota website where none is desired for me to buy where everything is turbo charged. I don't even give a sht about CVTs they use even though everyone claims its problem free with planetary starting gear. I give so much sht to EPA ruining Honda and Toyota is the whole purpose of buying them is reliability. If 2024 Land cruiser going to limp mode, Tundra giving rod sounds, Honda pilot giving injector failures within warranty is not my cup of team. I would happily lease a german and if anything goes wrong its the same experience or better.
@@MichaelBevilacqua Problem with vtec is you have drive it too hard to get the RPM's high enough for it to kick in. Most people don't drive them that hard, especially in a passport, pilot, or ridgeline. So it's unused power. But maybe the overall engine design of the J35 SOHC V6 with vtec is more reliable than the new DOHC version without vtec.
I have a 2022 EX-L...loved it at first but the experience has been soured by multiple issues. The display cluster randomly went dark a few times, a leak in the roof rail soaked the carpet which resulted in an entire carpet replacement, hatch struts had to be replaced, random radio static (pre and post recall/TSB), engine has always sounded like it knocks, and I hate how sloppy the seam sealer was applied.
I recently purchased a 25 Pilot. Before the newer Pilot model came out, I was considering the Passport, mainly because of the looks. When the new Pilot came out, the Passport made no sense to me, and you described it perfectly here. I've always been a Honda fan, but I don't really understand what happened here, I even considered a Ridgeline as a secondary vehicle. Why would they make different engines and transmission when it could be a much simpler V6 lineup for all three?
Lease one, or wait 3 years and buy one coming off lease. And of course like any V6 Honda, if the trans service wasn't done every XX miles per the schedule, find another one.
Wonky transmission either way. Drain and fill only removes about 1/3rd the fluid and it cost me $220. I did mine at 30k, and again at 45k. Next one at 75k I guess, Was trying to take great care of it. Might just sell this beast. Not a bad idea to buy one coming off lease, if you can get a good price on it. And who knows how hard they drove it though
Thanks for the review. I remember Cadillac with that engine deactivation and all the issues it had. My other peeve why is it that vehicle manufacturers are going to that egg crate grill, ugh
I would love to get a solid review of the Land Rover Discovery Sport which is now basically the same vehicle built 10 years ago and all these years nobody ever honestly reviews it.
The "Insurance Institute" rates every car and truck every year to predict reliability- as in the likely hood of them issuing pay outs for insurance warranty work. They do not have any reason to like (or not like) any model or manufacturer- they are absolutely unbiased - it's strictly about the bottom line. They have rated the reliability of almost every model made by Land Rover as some of the worst vehicles for reliability every single year for the past almost 20 years. Does not 100% mean it will be bad, just VERY likely. You can reliably bet that the Land Rover Discovery Sport will be another bad vehicle for reliability. However, if you value looks over substance, it's a great buy! Just plan on making friends with your local Land Rover dealership for all the visits you will be making there for warranty work, picking up / dropping off loaner vehicles. Maybe get a second vehicle for times when you need reliability- like long drives or vacations. Possibly a Honda or Toyota model- they have a history of making `some good ones.
An exhaust shop could definitely fab in a new flex pipe without replacing that whole pipe section + cat….so I suppose you meant “if you want to simply buy Honda parts to replace - you’d have to replace this whole section.” I wonder if you can “code” out the deactivation…stuff like that ruins new cars these days. As for the hood gap: I’d wager that is a heat extraction / aero design if I had to guess…
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Honda Passport is more like a specialty vehicle. I don't need a 3rd row but I do need the cargo space. Works for me
Here the space is more wasted than anything 😂
@@mmuller2402 Not with two big dogs.
Likewise I own a passport because I needed the space and it fit in my garage while a pilot would not!
@@mmuller2402 ? The trunk space is enormous, and seats come down simple, huge, can fit all my equipment. Perfect.
I hear you on the Pilot argument however the Passport won me over as it was about 10 inches shorter and felt much more nimble to drive. Plus I have an aversion to infotainment screens that are stuck on top of the dash.
I despise the New Screen Placement many are implementing.
Shopped for 7ish months before I bought a new car. What I REALLY wanted was a new Rav4 TRD with the 3.5 V6. But settled for almost this exact same Passport. I dislike CVTs, 4 popper turbos, too much tech, so this Honda was perfect for me. This is not a "fast car" but it's 0-60 in the low 6's and passing on the highway it hauls. Cornering and road handling is a lot better than I expected and taking it on long trips has been a pleasure.
I added a VCM tuner to my 2019 Pilot EX-L front wheel drive with six speed transmission mid 2021 when I began experiencing what I thought was torque converter vibration when the engine was in 3-cylinder mode along with RPM’s fluctuations. The tuner was added around 55,000 miles. The installation didn’t take long and was reasonably easy to install. Right afterward, the vibration went away and the RPM’s stopped fluctuating. Since 2021, I have had no problems regarding the device and my average mileage dropped 1/2 per gallon. Now, the Pilot has 115,000 miles and runs like a champ. Timing belt service done at 105,000 miles.
My next Jseries (3rd) will have the muzzler. You have Any issues with either vtec valve leaking? Front one is over Alternator. ‘09 Odyssey’s alternator was replaced in ‘21. Rear VTEC failed on I95 700 miles from home(at 150k miles)Had both Vtec valves replaced ($1200) . Now, 3 yrs later, oil leaking again, Alternator shot again, (182k miles) -
I love these mechanical reviews. Especially Honda and Toyota
I bought my 2024 Pilot last November after watching your video. Still have and has been a really good vehicle.
Base Passport is an AWD EX-L -> $42,400
Base Pilot is a Sport which lacks a lot of features -> $42,400 with AWD
Pilot in EX-L trim -> $45,600 with AWD
What is the issue with the price again?
This deserves more likes. Not explaining what comes with both base trims really skips out on the cost context.
1) VCM can be disabled with a fairly cheap after market device (2) For some people who don't need a 3rd row, the Pilot may be too large (3) New V6 on the Pilot hasn't been out long enough to say that it is reliable plus owner reviews on Edmunds suggest that they haven't worked out all the new generation kinks (4) dealers are offering deals on this (>$4K off MSRP). Agree that direct injection only is not ideal. I would recommend a 2 year old used one (they refreshed the look back in 2022) with about 30,000 miles, which if you are in a large metro area, can be found for $10K less than new.
Yup. We got 4100 off a new one
What very cheap aftermarket device to disable the VCM??
@@onenikkionevcm tuner or s-vcm
Argument that the Pilot is cheaper is not valid for Trailsport model...I got 4500 off my recent purchase of this exact vehicle in Radiant Red as shown,,,dealer would not budge more than 500 off Pilot trailsport...so apples to apples with trailsport model the Passport is much cheaper than Pilot in a real world scenario...besides i love my Vtec engine!
@@onenikkione I put s-vcm on my 24 Ridgeline and my girlfriend's 23 passport. No more VCM (aka Cylinder Deactivation)
My J32A2 in my previous '03 Acura CL-Type-S, was utterly bulletproof. I even hydrolocked it one time after driving over a flooded bridge, forgetting my cold air intake was on the bottom. It sucked in water, locked the engine, and had me stranded almost floating in the middle of the bridge...thank god the river didn't rise anymore while I was there. All i had to do to get it going after being pulled out, was pull the spark plugs, turn the engine over a few times, it spit all the water out, back in the plugs went, and it started right up. I had close to 300K miles on it by the time I got rid of it. It actually sat in my driveway for almost 3 years in the end (i was planning to do something with it), the day the tow truck came to pick it up, guy through a jump pack on it, got in and it started right up. He just drove it on the trailer. Someone is gonna be lucky to find it at a junk yard, it had a ton of aftermakrt parts on it, like the comptech ice box intake, comptech headers, comptech exhaust, adjustable Tien Super Street dampers (with custom spring rates, and custom tuned valving), electronic dampening controller motors on all the shocks, with the conteoller inside, lightweight pulleys, oil cooler, trans cooler, DLS speakers and crossovers (I pulled the capacitor, subs, and amps), underbody LED lighting and controller, and a Pioneer Z series DVD head unit, and a custom dash that moves the original GPS/Head screen unit down, to make space for the Pioneer. Plus some other bits and bobs. It was also completely dynamated, with double layered dynamat on the doors (interior panels and outter door panels). It was a fully running car...I just wanted to rebuild the motor...and convert it to manual, which is why it sat there in my driveway.
Oh yeah I also custom mounted an Apexi NEO A/F and VTEC piggyback controller in the sunglass holder. So you could open and close it, and the Unit would just slowly drop/lower down when you opened it. Perfect viewing location, but you could hide it if you didn't want the distraction.
Wow ! Now I feel great about my Honda Passport purchase... Thanks.
We have a 2023 Passport Elite that my wife drives. It's been a solid and reliable SUV
Excellent, as always, would love to see your review of the current Nissan Pathfinder
First, let me say that i appreciate and really like your reviews. This one is no exception; a great and honest review. However, I'm not aligned with the Pilot over a Passport. I prefer and bought the Passport over the Pilot for a few reasons. First, it's nearly 11 inches shorter than the Pilot. In fact, it's 2 inches shorter than my wife's Sonata. That means when I park it in my garage, I have 11 inches more room. I can walk around the entire car, where I'd be unable to with the pilot. Not everyone wants more because more is available. The Pilot EX-L has 18" wheels while the Passport EX-L has 20" wheels and is about $1k cheaper with wider and lower profile tires. I don't like the new Pilot update with the ugly pillar in the back. It makes it look too much like an old-school Ford Explorer. I don't understand why Honda did that. Also, I like that in the Passort there's a dedicated cargo area that isn't seats. I can put things in, and nothing falls down the sides as it does with the Pilot when the third-row seats are folded. I've had a longer vehicle. I drove one for 22 years. Never again. Finally, though the price may seem like the Pilot could be less, it's more because a dealer is far less willing to be haggled down for a Pilot than for a Passport. I love my Passport and wouldn't trade it for a Pilot. Keep up the great reviews. They're fantastic and great information!
All excellent points. I got my 23 passport with 5k miles for $35k
I understand your points, and they’re all valid. However, the cylinder deactivation is a deal breaker. Very few vehicles with this technology make it to post 150,000 mies without major work. Yes, you can “deactivate” it by ading an after-market device, but then you void your power-train warrantee. In the best world, Honda would put the updated V-6 they use for the Pilot into the Passport. Cylinder deactivation was done to pass emission/fuel economy goals, knowing it would take a severe toll on long-term reliability. Honda jsut needs to get through it’s warranty period, then has little care for it’s customer with this engine.
We leased a 2012 Pilot, one of the main factors (like the Passport) it wasn't a bus.
@@Rob-ou1fj Interesting. Well, considering that I drove a 2000 Chevy Silverado for 22 years and managed to rack up a whole 110k miles, it sounds like it'll work out fine for me. Maybe Honda will come out with an improved Passport with a mild hybrid - which would help gas mileage a LOT - before I even get to 60k with mine. Cheers!
I had a 2021, so, same car. I found the drivetrain to be great, but aspects of the car were plagued with weird electronic things or build quality issues. Also, the shape is so rounded that it was hard to really know where the edges of the car are - but I suppose that's true of a lot of modern cars. I priced out the cost of services up to 100k and suggested service is really quite affordable. AWD was great, as was power delivery. Mine was built during COVID times and the color of the bumpers didn't match the body. That big space at the bottom of the windshield is a great gatherer of snow; quite a pain in Wyoming winters. Rear windshield wiper would freeze in the winter, but it always engages in reverse, so it would break the windshield wiper. Really good interior space. Overall, quite a mixed bag; fortunately it was a lease. Oh, and the self-driving tech and radar warnings were truly horrible: couldn't deal with corners and would yell at you when there were cars in the opposite direction.
I was thinking of getting one of these once my 02 CRV goes. Changed my mind 100% after the first 5 min of this video. Thank you, sir!
I have a 2025 model and it is perfect 🤷♂️🤷♂️ I got friends with a Highlander and it’s been a lemon since new…
@@colingoldthorpe5918 those have a 4 banger turbo. They should have looked into that. No thanks on either
The new CRV with the 1.5T is beautiful to drive. I'd get the 2WD version. The 1.5T pairs great with the CVT. Just have to change the oil every 3000 miles, let the turbo cool down by idling for a minute after each drive. And don't hammer it too hard. Should last 150k. I currently have a 2022 Ridgeline with same engine and trans as the passport, and I'm wanting the CRV now. Just nicer to book around in it. Ridgeline is still nice though. Average 23mpg with VCM disabled. I change my own oil every 3 or 4000 miles max.53,000 miles and the thing just purrs. Smooth as butter.
@@colingoldthorpe5918just because you have a Honda, you are NEVER convincing anyone Honda is better than Toyota. This is coming from me with a Acura rdx. Stop being silly
This is a pre-2020 car in a good way.
Love you car reviews & am glad you reviewed the Passport as I recently have been obessesed with the car!
I’d avoid it. Stick with Toyota. Far too many substandard engineering choices.
@@ozarkliving7263 I get that. I just like the potential this car has in the future. I love toyota’s too!
Funny! I was just searching for a Honda passport video yesterday. Thanks for the post, I have a 23 passport
I feel like the VCM stuff is overblown. I have a 2014 V6 with 111k on it. Engine is in great shape, doesn't burn oil and pretty good MPGs in the highway. I love the sounds of it too!
They burn oil when they get very high miles, and significant of them are highways. Currently it's 2000 - 2010 with with 200k+ mi
I have a 2016 with 143k mi and it doesn't have the smoothest transition between modes. Ours has been on the highway ALOT so I think it's why I'm starting to see issues now. Not burning oil tho thankfully
@@jooroth18all honda burn oil when they grt high mileage infect most cars do
You do now 111k is nothing. Reply when you have 300k
@@Hernsama I don't see your point..if I make it to 300k on the original engine and then VCM becomes an issue. I think that's still a big win
I have a 2021 and 54k miles. So far it’s been proven trouble free. The only issue is it’s not a cheap maintenance car. Diff fluid change every 30k miles and transmission fluid first 60k and then 30k afterwards.
True, but it’s the first vehicle I’ve changed both myself without any issues. So easy to do yourself.
@@subroc12 it’s pretty easy but just more frequent than most cars and the Honda fluids are not cheap.
And timing belt at 100k will probably cost around $1500.
@@jasonsong86Not true. Other car manufacturers just claim that you can change these fluid less often but it's just marketing to make it look cheaper yo maintain it. Look at other video of Car Nut. He actually talks about it. Mechanics and owner you are willing to do some maintenance themselves, love Hondas for simplicity and easy of maintenance. The only thing that is a pain is switching battery because it is set and secured like tank but I suspect that all cars do that now because of massive recall due to fires. Yes, fires nothing related to EV's. Check huge recall on Toyota Rav before 2019.
For those of you talking trash about VCM, get a VCM muzzler. Or if you want it completely gone, get a K Tuner. I have a 13 accord with the VCM deleted. It runs like a top. I also have a 2006 Accord with no VCM delete, and it has 240k on it. The worst I have had to do is clean the EGR valves, service transmission, spark plugs, replace the radiator, and service the timing belt. VCM isn't a completely trash system. I've been on both ends of the spectrum
7th gen Accords didn't have VCM, except for the V6 hybrid I believe.
Can’t wait to see the new re-design that is coming!
Great video as always. Hope you review the new GMC Acadia Denali
I second this! I would love to see more GM reviews---C8, Colorado ZR2/Canyon AT4, Escalade/Yukon Denali/Tahoe High Country, CT5-V Blackwing, et al.
Honda Odyssey next please
This is exactly the review I needed. Trying to decide between this an a 5th gen 4runner - Passport is super good value on used market
Great review! Probably the best I've seen. I appreciate your thoughts comparing this to the pilot. subscribed
Such a great unbiased review, nicely done sir.
Honda V6s are one of the rare instances where an aftermarket product is recommended: A variable cylinder management disabler.
I put an S-VCM on my Pilot and it works great. It uses the factory harness connections and retains all other safeguards. The only difference is your temp gage reads a hair lower and you lose about 0.5-1 mpgs.
Do you know if that impacts any warranty?
@@markcarroll5836I have no idea. I unplug mine every time I take it to the dealer. It takes about 5 minutes to connect or disconnect.
i have a pilot with this same engine. build quality is excellent never had an issue. one recall for side view mirrors falling off and one for some electrical gremlins but overall a great vehicle. Not a rattle or squeak either. as amd said fit and finish are excellent. roomy back. had a highlander which was great too before and think i will get another honda next time
Honda V6s are one of the rare instances where an aftermarket product is recommended: A variable cylinder management disabler.
I put an S-VCM on my Pilot and it works great. It uses the factory harness connections and retains all other safeguards. The only difference is your temp gage reads a hair lower and you lose about 0.5-1 mpgs, but worth it for not messing up your engine.
Did not know that was out already. Thank you.
It’s great until Honda encrypts the programming like GM started doing.
Really a non-issue on 2016+ V6's
What year is your Pilot ? I have a 2023 Ridgeline with a shudder between 22-28 mph which I believe is vcm related as Honda dealership says there is no problem.
My guess is you would lose more than a single mpg running at full six. Do you use cruise control for highway drives? Anyway, thank you. That's wicked that such a thing exists. I guess the question still remains; longevity or gas savings?
Great review AMD, here’s my suggestion for your next title: Should you buy the 2025 Subaru Forester?
Thanks for another great review! Waiting to see if you can get your hands on a HR-V!
After watching many of your videos for the different SUV’s it sounds like the Mazda CX50 is the best .
Good review. You should really look at the HR-V. Old-school K-series engine goodness.
This is a great review to address the price difference! People including myself may think that a higher price car means that it’s better than a lower price car from the same car manufacturer.
We drove both before settling on a telluride. The passport was more maneuverable being 10 in shorter. But the ride wasn’t as good as the pilots. And you definitely noticed it being a last gen model.
I think they make it just to have a 5 seat mid size suv to compete. It’s that next step up for budding families. Had an accord. Got married and need awd. Not ready for the stigma of a 3 row and the crv is a little too small
I always find your videos so well informed and well done. I have this exact vehicle (including color) as the one you are reviewing and appreciate your complete rundown of it. Frankly i am not concerned about the VCM issue you speak of..as my brother has a 2019 Passport with 170000 miles on it with same engine setup and runs like new...Just change the oil every 5000 miles and do maintenance and it will last...so that is not concern...The transmission issue with always being in park unless hydraulics build up somewhat a concern and the fact that they made release so hard to get to is puzzling.,,,further i looked at the pilot and did not like the styling of it and i love that the passport is more nimble,,,what i love about my passport is that it is peppy as hell....i mean 0 to 60 in 5.9 seconds is nothing to sneeze at....I dont love push button trans but dont hate it either...Interior is roomy as hell and frankly i absolutely love the way it looks...To each his own...But this car is built very well....Ill keep it a decade and buy something else....Thanks for the review!
Can you do one on the naturally aspirated 158hp Honda HRV?
I really think people are sleeping on this vehicle even though it is not powerful. A great small family to and from school in winter as well as a daily driver.
Everyone skips talking about the HRV. Would love a review.
The wife and i both own 2021 Passports and love them. We liked some of what you said here was the down sides compared to the Pilot, we liked it being 11" shorter and i really thought the motors were the same?? Either way, both great vehicles! I am on the fence about disabling the vcm. Thanks for sharing this detailed review! New sub here sir!
Hi! Love your videos! If you can and choose to, please review the Chevy Traverse and Mitsubishi Outlander! Keep up the good work!
Awesome engine. Love the dinosaur.
My parents bought a new 2024 Passport earlier this year and had nothing but problems with it. It’s left them stranded three times because the battery keeps dying. However, two Honda dealerships can’t find a problem with it. Alternator is working fine and they’ve replaced the battery twice.
I suspect it’s parasitic losses due to the car’s electronics.
They’re looking into whether the lemon laws in their state apply. The lack of support and knowledge from Honda’s dealerships is concerning.
Guest you got a lemon. I have a 2022, works fine.
Consider starting an account on the Passport forums, ppl there might be able to help. That's brutal though, and fairly unheard of.
It is a very good, well built, powerful and comfortable vehicle. My only critiques are the lousy “intelligent cruise control,” which is not very intelligent, and the stupid shifter. Its shorter length sealed the deal over the Pilot.
I ran into battery draining issue twice on my 10 year old Honda Civic. My dealership found the issue with the proximity door sensor on the driver seat so they disabled it. I didn’t think it was worth it for me to pay money to replace the sensor since I have over 280,000km on this car and am saving money to purchase a new car next year. I hope you can get a new vehicle and start over. I had great time with my Civic and probably get passport for family needs. Good luck!
Absolutely need to see you cover the new redesigned 2026 Passport Trailsport, I hear they're coming in early 2025 or so. And I'm curious how it will compare.
Good video but holy moly there is a lot of noise in the background. I don't know which NLE you are using but most of them have something like a noise filter which have an input functionality (e.g. a short clip of the noise only) and output the sound excluding that specific noise 😀
I own a Ford Windstar that gives me problems each year. My biggest wants are reliability, mpg and can i sleep flat in it when camping. Great videos 😂
I have had Pilots from every generation save the most recent. My first was a 2003, the very first Pilot. Each generation has gotten bigger and bigger.
The time came to replace our '18 Pilot. When the Passport was (re)introduced, I realized that this new Passport has reverted to the dimensions of the original '03, which I liked very, very much. If you compare the size of my '23 Passport to the size of my '03, the '23 is within an inch or two all around.
In my life, I don't need three rows; most all the time, one does very nicely. The nearly one foot difference between the Passport and the Pilot is a big plus, particularly in the garage. The Passport feels more nimble than the recent Pilots, yet we give up nothing in interior (first row) space and amenities. From now on, it will be Passports for us.
NOTE: The rear bumper is not a concern because we've fitted a SuperBumper that we've used on our two previous pilots. Woe will befall to anyone who rear ends us!
I don’t understand why car manufacturers keep making cars bigger and bigger! Like bigger is better? Not always. I have a 2011 Acura TSX and it is not too big amd not to small, just perfect size, but new Acura sedans are bigger than mine amd i don’t think near as nice looking as mine😊
Hood design for airflow. Big black strip on the bottom of windshield is to block sunglare.
Been waiting for this one 👍🏻
The trailsport has a very effective all wheel drive.
I was considering one of these, and got excited when you mentioned "old school timing belt V6". I'm not considering one anymore as soon as you mentioned direct injection and "VCM"
Lol.
I have always wondered what is the difference between the passport and the pilot, kind of looked the same externally.
As for pricing, the Passport starts at EX-L where the Pilot starts at Sport so not equal comparison. The Passport is gonna be cheaper if comparing the same trim. True it seems like Pilot offer bigger space for not much more. However not everyone is asking for more space. The Pilot is on the slow side with the naturally aspirated V6. The Passport is not exactly rocket-ship but a little faster.
I like VCM in this case because it’s easily defeated by the owner and has enabled Honda to keep this sweet V-6 under hood without resorting to turbo 4s like almost all their competition.
Excellent point. This V6 is the last of the baby dinasours. It truly is an incredible engine, with legendary reliability.
Thank you for the thorough review. Very informative. Can you follow up with a Toyota Highlander Hybrid review? Thank you again!
You can grumble about Honda and their quirks, but this is a well sorted SUV that is genuinely fun to drive and comes alive with that old school v-tech. This thing is a blast to drive around the backroads. Terrible gas mileage when compared to Highlander. My 2018 Highlander is typical Toyota quality but a bore to drive in comparison. Both are good cars in their own right, just two very different experiences.
We had a newer Honda disabled in our lot with a broken oil pan, first two tow drivers couldn’t get it into neutral, 3rd driver was 6 hours later, guy waited all day.
great video and these help a lot thanks.
Great review! 👏
Vcm doesn't mean anything really to but to save gas. No problems at All from my 2007 Honda Odyssey on 150k plus. Just works in the background to save gas if your coasting. Great reliable motor, I can still do burn outs.
With vtec you do get a power boost when it kicks in at high RPM's. Sounds amazing.
Cadillac had a V8/6/4 engine back in 1981. It was a silly idea then and not any better today. Fuel economy requires a smaller vehicle with reasonable power and 4 cylinders. We had cars like this in the 1960’s. It amazes me that pickup trucks, not needed by the vast majority, are the vehicle many still buy today. Fuel economy isn’t important I guess.
Thanks for the review would you be kind and review Equinox ev awd …before purchasing your input is very important
Thaks
It's a Chevy 😮
Even with the VCM , this car still better than all of the Stellantis cars.
“Am I missing something here?” Yes, the Passport is 10” shorter, which is the “garage reason” I needed, and hardly ever used my 3rd row when I owned a Pilot. The Passport is 5” bigger than the CRV, and 10” shorter than the Pilot….and for me and Goldilocks, the Passport was “just right”.
Valve adjustments are needed for this engine but the updated engine in the pilot doesn’t need valve adjustment
thanks for another great video!
The Passport is also shorter and the spare tire is protected by being inside the car and not hanging underneath. You might not think of it as a big deal, but its way easier to deal with inside the car.
I looked at Passport and Palisade but decided I’d rather go body on frame and went with 4Runner
A friend once worked at the Alliston Honda plant and he noticed every year the parts got flimsier and thinner material 😮
Interesting this Gen is going into its 6th year when Honda usually does major changes every 5 years And almost no difference from my wife's 2019. We love that the screen is actually in the dash where it belongs.
Could you please do a video on how to take care of a VCM engine for it to last over 200k miles.
GJ!
Pls consider reviewing the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV and the Nissan Sentra or the Kicks
Plus a car with a Chinese platform like Volvo or Lotus
Also a Porche and a Ferrari if possible 🤍
Appreciated!
As a 2019 Passport owner, I love this car except for 3 things: the Honda Sensing suite, the auto stop/start system, and the ZF transmission. If I could convert it to be more mechanical instead of electrical I would. I like the performance of the transmission, but operating it via buttons and it being controlled by a computer irks me to no end. But it is a great vehicle, and I still like it over the Pilot because it has more ground clearance, better tech, and cheaper in the used market. I won't buy either new, or any car for that matter.
6:15 because they want the battery to sit as low as possible to improve dynamics. So light, plastic intake ducting ends up on top.
I am watching the old show Dallas and am enjoying seeing all the old cars. What has struck me is how different cars looked back then. Nowadays there isn’t much difference between each SUVs, sedans and pickups. Kind of boring actually, they all look alike with small differences here and there. What happened to individuality? When i was growing up you didn’t need the badge to identify the car, you just knew😌
Disabling VCM sounds like a good idea. Hopefully the DI doesnt czuss a lot of carvon build up
2:41 Carbon build-up may be POSSIBLE, but it has NOT been an issue with this engine.
People see DI and automatically default to carbon build up issues.
So far hasn't been an ongoing issue with the EarthDream engines.
I have a 17 ridge with 150k no issues.
21 passport with 60k
No issues.
@@500sixtyfouroh you just wait till you hit 300k miles!!!
/endsarcasm
Thanks, excellent review. Does a VCM override unit, like the VCM Tuner, eliminate the problems you have encountered with the VCM system? Thank you
Cylinder Deactivation, also known as Hold your Horses!
The spare situation is because they shortened the back of the car from a Pilot that the spare won’t fit under the car anymore. Also, you can lift the trunk cover without removing the plastic tub. It’s just two small clips attaching both.
Pilot all day. Beautiful car!
Great vid man!
Cylinder deactivation and GDI are no gos for me.
Better stick to your Grand Marquis then
@@kenj.8897
If the choice is between a Grand Marquis and a turd then I'll happily choose the Grand Marquis.
@@joey86bu1wdym turd lol you can get a deactivation device that quit that 3 cylinder crap
Great review! If it was your money, would you buy this?
Greate review, thanks!
I'm having Honda Passport 2021 Touring and the main issues with it are knocking engine (crank shaft knocks) and transmission kicking (dog clutch between 4th and 5th gear) + some small announces like squawking driver char, whistling hvac, clicking stabilizer bar link, 3 tail gate power-struts replacements, 2 timing belt tensioners. That is all at 22K miles and under full Honda warranty when Honda refuses to do repairs to engine and transmission until failure.
Should you buy Honda?
I'm looking for 5th gen 4Runner to forget this Honda.
I used to be a hardcore Honda/Acura guy. After a bad experience with a 2013 Acura RDX, I'll never own another Honda product with VCM.
I would like more room in the back but no 3rd row . Would prefer the spare under or mounted on a swing arm on the back
Thank you for the video. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the pilot have VCM as well?
I want a Ridgeline, but will wait for the update.
Dear AMD, In your professional opinion In the interest of reliability, would you buy a Turbo Highlander, Tacoma, Land cruiser over a Cylinder deactivated Pilot, Ridgeline, Passport? (At least in my unprofessional knowledge but searching online I would not buy any of those Toyotas, in my opinion / comfort level.)
Turbos and Batteries add more complexity to the drive trains. More complexity = more maintenance. Simplicity is the key. (IMHO) VTEC is a wonderful thing as it works similarly to turbo with much less components, right? More oxygen/better burn cycle. Why this was never expanded on by Honda is beyond me. Turbos aren't a fix. Superchargers however!
@@MichaelBevilacqua sadly EPA is not helping. Look at Acura. To build a fun car they have to go VCM + Turbo route. IMO Toyota have proven that Turbo route is a sh*t show. From GR Corollas catching on fire to big Tundras with main baring issues. AMD had clearly said in an old video Turbo will never be reliable as a N/A. Atleast on my FB profile I shared a screenshot of Toyota website where none is desired for me to buy where everything is turbo charged. I don't even give a sht about CVTs they use even though everyone claims its problem free with planetary starting gear. I give so much sht to EPA ruining Honda and Toyota is the whole purpose of buying them is reliability. If 2024 Land cruiser going to limp mode, Tundra giving rod sounds, Honda pilot giving injector failures within warranty is not my cup of team. I would happily lease a german and if anything goes wrong its the same experience or better.
@@LionRunner Yep. Acura today is a nightmare. Hyundai with their inline 6 turbo and battery is batshit.
@@MichaelBevilacqua Problem with vtec is you have drive it too hard to get the RPM's high enough for it to kick in. Most people don't drive them that hard, especially in a passport, pilot, or ridgeline. So it's unused power. But maybe the overall engine design of the J35 SOHC V6 with vtec is more reliable than the new DOHC version without vtec.
I have a 2022 EX-L...loved it at first but the experience has been soured by multiple issues. The display cluster randomly went dark a few times, a leak in the roof rail soaked the carpet which resulted in an entire carpet replacement, hatch struts had to be replaced, random radio static (pre and post recall/TSB), engine has always sounded like it knocks, and I hate how sloppy the seam sealer was applied.
Any Honda 3.5L engine should be using a vcmuzzler to eliminate the cylinder deactivation.
I recently purchased a 25 Pilot. Before the newer Pilot model came out, I was considering the Passport, mainly because of the looks. When the new Pilot came out, the Passport made no sense to me, and you described it perfectly here. I've always been a Honda fan, but I don't really understand what happened here, I even considered a Ridgeline as a secondary vehicle. Why would they make different engines and transmission when it could be a much simpler V6 lineup for all three?
2026 Passport (and probably 2026 Ridgeline) will gain the DOHC V6 and 10-speed trans.
Lease one, or wait 3 years and buy one coming off lease. And of course like any V6 Honda, if the trans service wasn't done every XX miles per the schedule, find another one.
Wonky transmission either way. Drain and fill only removes about 1/3rd the fluid and it cost me $220. I did mine at 30k, and again at 45k. Next one at 75k I guess, Was trying to take great care of it. Might just sell this beast. Not a bad idea to buy one coming off lease, if you can get a good price on it. And who knows how hard they drove it though
Thanks for the review. I remember Cadillac with that engine deactivation and all the issues it had. My other peeve why is it that vehicle manufacturers are going to that egg crate grill, ugh
I had an accord transmission problem, move to Acura Tl transmission problem. Both cars always service, bought a 4runner never look back. 😊
I ditched the Passport for a 4Runner; def worth the extra money
I would love to get a solid review of the Land Rover Discovery Sport which is now basically the same vehicle built 10 years ago and all these years nobody ever honestly reviews it.
The "Insurance Institute" rates every car and truck every year to predict reliability- as in the likely hood of them issuing pay outs for insurance warranty work. They do not have any reason to like (or not like) any model or manufacturer- they are absolutely unbiased - it's strictly about the bottom line. They have rated the reliability of almost every model made by Land Rover as some of the worst vehicles for reliability every single year for the past almost 20 years. Does not 100% mean it will be bad, just VERY likely. You can reliably bet that the Land Rover Discovery Sport will be another bad vehicle for reliability. However, if you value looks over substance, it's a great buy! Just plan on making friends with your local Land Rover dealership for all the visits you will be making there for warranty work, picking up / dropping off loaner vehicles. Maybe get a second vehicle for times when you need reliability- like long drives or vacations. Possibly a Honda or Toyota model- they have a history of making `some good ones.
There is no longer a 4-cylinder mode in Honda products when VCM is engaged, only 3 cylinders shut off.
Waiting for you to review my Honda odyssey
An exhaust shop could definitely fab in a new flex pipe without replacing that whole pipe section + cat….so I suppose you meant “if you want to simply buy Honda parts to replace - you’d have to replace this whole section.”
I wonder if you can “code” out the deactivation…stuff like that ruins new cars these days.
As for the hood gap: I’d wager that is a heat extraction / aero design if I had to guess…
Review a Odyssey next! thank you!