2024 Honda Pilot Trailsport Snow Road Mountain Test
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 พ.ค. 2024
- We test the 2024 Honda Pilot Trailsport on our mountain test course covered in wet, deep snow.
CONTENTS:
00:00 - Introduction
00:35 - Features
03:02 - Highway Driving
09:53 - Snow Mountain Test
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Weirdly, this vehicle works best in SPORT mode with TCS OFF. I did a LOT if testing, and for these conditions I found SPORT mode was best because it didn't cut power. (It also does EXCELLENT donuts in that mode too!)
I hate when you have to guess and play games with the computer to get the results you want. The TCS off button should be TCS off, full stop.
Same here in the 2013 ford edge AWD, we drive it in sand in the middle east we put it in S and TCS off it doesn't cut power
But when The TCS on it cuts power.
@mtbrdude that's what I like about my Touareg. When in "off-road" mode, when you hold TCS for ~1 second, it turns off. But if you keep holding it for ~5 seconds, it turns everything off - and I mean everything, you are in full command of the car. You want to put it in 1st gear and hold it at red line? Yup, it's your choice. It's pretty much never needed, unless you want to do donuts, but it's good to know that the option exists.
Don't want anything that cut power ,been fine with out it .
@@mtbrdudeit’s funny because this extends to the civic si as well. Car pulls throttle back when it detects wheel slip so even if you hold the TSC button it doesn’t fully turn it off. You have to do what we call a pedal dance to completely turn it off.
Great line: "It's OK. It's my road. I own it."
That is massively impressive for a Honda!!! Holy cow!! What a nail biter episode, inching forward. Keep up the good work Ryan! Love the episodes
Happy that Honda has kept the V6 and didn't go to a turbo 4! Nice vehicle.
for now
Agreed. But wish they had a hybrid version for better fuel economy.
I wish they would go to a twelve cylinder with no catalytic converter
Turbos Suck!
just got to put a VCM disabler device on it.
Just started watching, waiting for the AWD to overheat. Wow, it didn’t overheat! 😮
It just shut the engine down cut the power... Either way you're "not getting anywhere" 🙄
@@RRr-yl8zr It doesn't do any of those things. The AWD heat warning pops up with there's the wheel slips too much. It's been documented on TFL and Sarah N Tuned of the chief Honda engineer mentioning that. There's never a power cut, and the ZF9 doesn't bog down, unless you have traction control on. The best mode is Sand mode (which turns off traction control by default). EDIT: WHoops! I didn't realize this was the next gen Honda Pilot. Yes, the Honda 10 speed could stall out.
Try doing that in dirt in 100 degrees. This is done in snow keeping things cooler so....
@@TeeLBCify there's a lot more traction in dirt, and you realize that these next gen Honda Pilots have the most aggressive gearing out of all AWDs right? They're geared 21.8:1.
Please do ford expedition temberline off-road test
Omg thank you for making this snow video! Out of all the vehicles I test drove, the Honda Pilot Trailsport got my heart immediately. I was ultimately between this and the 4Runner and decided to settle for the Pilot instead because the 4Runner was too slow and outdated for me (its infotainment screen kept lagging).
The Pilot sits high up with A LOT of visibility, drives so lightly/smoothly, is spacious with the usability of a minivan, and has a naturally aspirated V6. It went over cracks and gravel on the road like nothing.
Not to mention the high resale value with 55% after 5 years. Honda really knows how to tune their I-VRTM transmission because the drive train was incredible.
We got the 2020 pilot black edition AWD love the vehicle even got it lifted 3 inches lol it's a beast
The 4runner Limited (the model that compares best to the Pilot) would have danced through that snow with no problems at all. Yes, it is severely outdated, but when it comes to quality and overall performance, the 4Runner leaves this far behind. Oh yeah, if you want more speed and power, add a supercharger and not only leave the Pilot behind stuck on the trail, but also leave it behind on the freeway.
Do you go to bed dreaming about Toyotas
@@wardellmercado8370 Well no duh the 4Runner would take this course with ease. The Honda Pilot’s built is more for on-road. The fact that it could fare well on this icy off road is still impressive. It’s the jack of all trades and master of none.
@@lane5686 But did you actually compare the Limited to the Pilot, or just the TRD Pro/Off-Road? The Limited rides differently on tarmac than the other models, but if you don't want the prowess of the 4Runner, why even test drive it then compare it to the Pilot--they are completely different vehicles....duh. ;-)
That was a great comparison showing what dropping a few pounds of preasure can do.
"a few pounds of pressure"😅 I think he dumped like half the air from the tires 😅🙂
Airing down if you know you’re going to drive in conditions like this is very important. Fun video. Thanks!
Yeah but Ryan knows most average users won't do that so he tests it that way on purpose
The problem with that is that is not what the manufacturer recommends doing and not how many people would ever drive it so its important to test the vehicle at what is recommended and in some cases he will air down just to do a test and see if it actually handles it better or not because he has done it in some videos. I agree though airing it down probably would have helped but this is review video and since the manufacturer doesn't specifically state to do that you really should be testing based on their recommendations.
I bought the new TS because last winter was horrible. This winter it never really snowed at all. I wanted a TRD Pro 4runner but the dealer markups at the time was crazy. I don't regret my choice though. 99.9% of my driving is on paved roads.
TBH most forruners will see highway miles 99.9 of it's life. Even overland builds... Usually only go 5- 15 miles on a trail and have it take a whole day 😂.
You made the right call, I own a 4Runner, and I would much rather have the Honda as a daily driver. People buy 4Runners thinking they're going to go off-roading all the time, then realize they live in places with no off-roading and end up on pavement 99.99% of the time anyway, lol.
@@trailrunnah8886 I just heard a new term for this: "pavement princess." Made me laugh.
A truly impressive vehicle from the factory. Just add a good set of aggressive all terrain tires and your set.
Seen better. Didn’t really impress and cutting power!? Great grocery shopping vehicle
I definitely did not like it cutting power in the middle of doing something and getting you "stuck/stopped" and when you spend $50,000 🙄
on a new car, you should not have to go out and spend another $1,000 putting on more new tires . Or WORSE when you have to go out and spend thousands of dollars buying new rims and tires that will work properly on an SUV (or car) because they have ridiculous oversized WHEELS and tires on these SUVs for clueless poser boys and women 🙄
That BS is enough of a reason to piss me off and make me blow off buying that vehicle.
@@martinr8278 it's not a rock crawler, every vehicle makes compromises, this one might do more things well than almost anything else on the road
and trailer hitch wiring. For $50k, that omission is annoying.
Finally Honda is putting the real goodies in their off road trim. That thing is LEGIT! That VTM system is awesome for pavement too. If I didn’t want the insane durability of a 4Runner, I’d definitely get this.
Given the conditions, that was brilliant camera work .. to many people take that for granted these days- well done w
Always the best thorough reviews. Your mirrorless and drone camera work is amazing. thanks, cant wait to see the new 4turbo 4runner review -which is a loooong way from now, I know
In previous episode with Acura MDX I missed Yours course. Pilot Trailsport is very brave in those conditions. Great episode. Greetings
We bought the ‘23 Pilot Elite AWD and LOVE it.
Edge of my seat! Love how you try all the combinations! Made Grandma proud! That Pilot TrailSport is super impressive! That trail was a mess!!
For a "mall crawler" the Pilot did well. With the right tires it would've made it up easier. Nonetheless great job Honda! Great video demonstrating this AWD system.
Amazing, Honda really impressed me.
Brooooo the video I've been waiting for!
Just a correction on this iVTM4 system. This gen Pilot Trailsport sends up to 75% to the rear and then 100% of that to either side. All other trims are programmed to send up to 70% of the power to the rear.
Well done on making it to the top. I didn’t expect it but you put in the work with what you had, great job.
As just a fun exceeding to cut through marketing jibber jabber:
A dumb, old fashioned open differential can send 100% of the power to either side as well.
… just may not be the desired side.
“It’s ok, it’s my road, I own it!” 😅
I wanted to see a vid like this with the trailsport pilot. This is very capable, with better offroad tires or chains I'm sure that you would have gone up from the start without as many issues. Great great video. Thank you❤❤❤
Awesome video! Good to see real off-roading.
Had this car for over 6 months now and love it, so comfy and feels really good quality inside, the sonic gray pearl has had a lot of positive comments whilst we’ve been out and about!
Thanks!
Wow, thanks!🙏
I hope this i eye opening for Honda/Acura. Seems like traction control is never fully disabled. This can be a double edge sword because they prob do it for safety, but at the same time, it can be unpredictable. Anyhow, this was the video I've been waiting for! The Pilot did great and no overheating. I have high hopes for the future of the Trailsport lineup! Hope Honda watches this video and makes the adjustments via software or during the refresh.
Picked one up a week ago . Great car
It was almost like watching a thriller, I love how the safety of the camera lady in the back seat is taken care of :D
Another awesome video!
The 4Runner model that you need to compare the Pilot to is the Limited, NOT the TRD Pro or Off-Road. The Limited has full-tine 4wd, third row seating and a comparable on-road ride. And, even though the Limited has a true 4wd system, it only uses A-TRAC traction control and not lockers, so that is a more fair comparison to Honda's I-VTM4 system.
Pretty impressive for what it is, a car. It did great, surprised it didn't freak out and throw some lights and over heat lol. Bravo, great episode
4Runners are defintely offered with a 3rd row seat option. Only available on SR5 or Limited trims. I know because my 2014 SR5 Premium had one before I removed the 2nd & 3rd row for a sleeping platform
I have 17 Ridgeline and from my experience and from research the ivtm4 system works best if you keep under 3000 and keep steady , when you redline it it seems to use more front drive. But very impressed with the AWD.
The system adjusts and cuts power regardless of throttle position. It just depends on the environment
This is excellent. No more over heating. I was just telling my buddy about the Honda transmission on the 2024 Pilot vs the ZF he has with his Pilot. Its even, only rated for 3500lbs towing before dealer installed ATF cooler vs the Honda 10spd transmission seems to be 5000lbs towing without any aftermarket cooling. Also special with Trailsport with its 1 inch lift now its in 8in ground clearance territory like the competition like Highlander. Sure its not like Subaru ground clearance. But very respectable.
5000 only if it’s AWD
The 10spd comes with transmission cooler already and all newer 9spd AWD have transmission cooler except the 6spd or 9spd without the towing package.
The reason for not towing 5000 it’s because a non AWD or FWD CV Axle are not meant to tow 5000 lbs safety but I have towed 5k very short distance many times with a 6spd
@@reyperez3424 owners better check if ATF cooler is pre-installed or not. Atleast my friends Pilot (9spd AWD) do not come with ATF cooler. 2022 owners manual pg 516 "AWD models - An additional ATF (automatic transmission fluid) cooler is required to keep the transmission from overheating when towing more than 3,500 lbs (1,588 kg). You
can get the additional ATF cooler at a dealer."
Luv ur videos Ryan. Thanks a bunch. Have u done the new sequoia on thia road?
"It's okay, it's my road" lol
Huge flex😄
That was hard but impressive 👏
Is it really 18 degrees or 18 percent grade? I suspect the latter.
Nice episode; thanks for sharing.
Great Video:
I would use the paddle shift Manuel mode and shift between 1st gear and 2nd gear watch the RPMS not to redline that's why it cuts off to protect the engine. 19:56
Awesome Video!! Sad to see my own make and model vehicle struggle so badly over and over again. I do Agree, Definitely needs better and bigger tires for anything more than regular roads and highways.
That mpg is surprisingly low. I almost got one of these but you just can't beat the 3rd row/ cargo space of a van. I was pleasantly surprised by our mpg in our 19 sienna AWD. We average 24.5 and that's with the non hybrid version with an actual driveshaft. It gets better than the fwd 2012 we had before that. It did great in the snow as well with standard all season tires. Can't find the right settings for awd doughnuts though
Great video, thank you for continued follow ups on the Pilot Trailsport! I'd love to hear your comparison to the Land Cruiser when it comes out and you get a chance to drive it. I agree with your comparison to the 4Runner, I'm cross shopping all 3.
The Honda had better not be able to compare to the land cruiser.😅🙂
@@RRr-yl8zr Haha, absolutely agreed. Similarly the 4Runner is way more capable than the Pilot, but the 4Runner is way more dated than the Pilot. Land Cruiser looks like it will be the perfect blend of capability and modernity. Pilot is probably capable enough for my needs if I'm being realistic, but I want the Land Cruiser way more.
@@ahavnerI would really like to never ever have another turbocharged engine.
My ridgeline settings for maximum fun: TCS OFF, SNOW MODE, SPORT MODE you get most rear bias and power.
I thumb up you for airing down.
I love the captain chairs in the 2nd row. The interior felt huge. Not a fan of electric shifting.
Hey Ryan, you might want to look into any “secret handshake” disable codes for VSA. The current generation Ridgeline and Passport have one that is a little bit like an old video game cheat code, but it does fully disable the traction control.
Interesting comparison to 4Runner. The TRD Off Road MSRP is $5k less with a lot more capability. The Limited would come with full-time 4wd negating the on-road benefit of Honda's system for $3k more than TrailSport. So really the only benefit of Trailsport is 3 more mpg and ability to seat 1 more person (as the 3rd row is too tight for 3 in reality).
“We would roll, but we wouldn’t plummet to our death!” Comforting. LoL.
Are you going to do a head to head with Outback Wilderness? If not, how do you think the 2 compare in terms of capability, and also ride comfort on the highway?
How would this compare with the Toyota grand highlander AWD? Felt like the Toyota went up the hill easier but was the snow condition easier for the Toyota too? Thank you!
Here’s the reason why it cuts power even with the “traction off” just by holding the traction control button a few seconds won’t fully turn off all the systems, you gotta do that sequence with the brake pedal and the parking brake for it to make the traction control and VSA light flash on the dash and that’s when everything it’s off
5:54 "If you don't mind...the not great turning radius chassis of the 4Runner." The 4Runner has a tighter turning radius than the Pilot. 4Runner turning radius is 37.4 ft compared to the Pilot at 37.8 ft.
Would you get one of these Pilots or a GX for a little more? For highway and city anf the occasional trail.
Excellent demonstration of its capabilities, thanks for the video! The power cutting must be to protect the tranny from overheating like you said. For a 3-row family hauler the Pilot Trailsport is impressive. I wish Honda offered it with all the Elite trim's features and another interior color choice, maybe the gray with orange stitching and badging would be cool. Call it the Elite Trailsport.
Agreed. I was debating between the two but on a long road trip id rather the elites better sound system and extra sound deadening
Love the trailsport, but am I going to use it on anything other than pavement.. Fits in well tho when pricing out online. Hmmmm
I think this is one of the best of the offroady crossovers, just wish it had a bit more ground clearance. I was really torn between this and the outback wilderness when buying last year, and the 9.5 inches on the OBW was ultimately one of the deciding factors.
Smacking a rock or something and breaking something we usually be more of a problem concern/Issue/Problem than the traction quality from an all-wheel drive or four-wheel drive system.
Yeah they definitely did something to the rear drive unit to solve the overheating problems because with the older system from years ago you would have gotten an overheat warning long before you even made it half way up that hill. I only wish they would have installed this new unit in the Ridgeline along with the DOHC J35. Oh well I guess.
Mate, when did you shoot this, because the crispy snowyness is just epic
I really like seeing the differences of what happens when you air down the tires. I would really like to see what it does if you only air down the tires to 25 or 24 pounds on rough roads. Would Like to see how much of a difference that would make and not be having to spend a ton of time trying to get your tires back up to "proper air pressure" before getting on the highway. Or not having to "worry too much" about driving on pavement to get to an air pump after "4x4'ing"
because of the cutting gas I will ultimately redirect my choice towards a Subaru. I canceled my order for the pilot. Thank you for the test.
So you just canceled your order because of traction control?
😂😂😂that was funny! Thanks for the laugh!
You said you have a Subaru in your past comments. Then in another comment you said bye bye Subaru.
Please entertain us.
@@ryanb8736 I change them 1 at a time. My goal is to keep 1 new one.
@@ryanb8736I love your research
Cool videos dude….
Ryan excellent video. How does Honda’s AWD setup for the Pilot compare to Subaru’s AWD system?Would you get the Pilot over an Ascent/Outback? Thanks!
I've got a 2011 pilot and an Impreza. I feel like they are both very good AWD systems. The vtm 4 system is more sophisticated than the Subaru. With either vehicle it's important to have good tires to really take advantage of their capabilities.
My wife’s pilot always cuts power in snow mode & we get stuck in the deeper snow
When I use the sand mode in the deeper snow, it never cuts power & lets me keep the rpm’s up.
I can always get us unstuck unless we’re high centered.
I wish you would have tried the sand mode to see what would have happened.
Great video
I thought he did try sand mode? At 13:14. It didn't help and he still lost power. I need to go back and look for that. I thought trail mode would do it, but it still cut power.
Guess I missed it
He did try the sand mode. It didn't work so great.
What version of the Toyota Land Cruiser did you order?
Thank you for your video, One note, if you can please emphases on how is noise transferring to the interior as that could mean for some of us a deal breaker. beside that a great video.🙂
That makes zero sense
If you worrying about "noise/road noise" issues while you're bouncing around in the mud and snow trying to get through a dirt road .... 🤔 I'm not sure what your "issues/concerns" are 😅
❤ Honda the Power of Dreams ❤
Can you accurately compare your specific MPG rating when you are traveling at 75 MPH? I believe MPG is regulated when measured at 60 MPH universally by the EPA or whoever does it (I’m not exactly sure who does).
Is there a way to absolutely turn down all the traction control systems and let wheels spin 100% ?
To put the Pilot in context, wonder how it would compare to OG vehicles like a 1970 Scout or old Bronco in original configuration?
Pilot has a better transmission than Passport and looks better inside and out. It is a no brainer it is the one to go for.
I was genuinely curious how it would do as we have a '23 Pilot Elite but with snow tires. I'm not a huge fan of the power cut in sand and snow modes, so that's a bit disappointing given how awesome the AWD architecture is supposed to be on this. You can even see it working!... until the power cut where it stops forward momentum... Again that Crosstrek xmode where it keeps the wheels spinning does some impressive stuff. Honda could learn a thing or two from this.
Do the grand cherrokee. And wagoneer in these snow tests!!
Id like to see the quattro system in the same conditions
You can deactivate traction control in Hondas, but it’s like a 10 step dance with the TC button and the brake pedal.
Hello Ryan, Thanks for the video. I'm from Akron, Ohio. Back in the 70's and 80's, before the all wheel and 4 wheel drive craze, we only had rear wheel drive cars. When I bought my first car, a 84 Buick Regal, my pops taught me to put a 50 to 80 lbs bag of sand in the trunk for weight, with snow tires of course. Would that have help in a modern day vehicle like the Pilot or passport?
not much if at all, the tires and the power management where the limiting factors, not the weight....if the Pilot was loaded up with weight there would be less effective friction as the traction control and IVTM cut power
I know you've put the Subaru Outback Wilderness through this course multiple times in different surface conditions and it passed with flying colors, I'm wondering how it would have done in this condition. Do you think it would have done better than this Pilot Trailsport?
Can you an off road test on outlander Phev
Is the Trailsport noisy compared to it's direct competitors on the highway at say 70 mph? Speaking of direct competitors, I am REALLY interested to know which vehicle you like better overall.....the Trailsport...or a Subaru Ascent?
Please review the Hyundai Santa Fe XRT, while you still have snow to run it in
Nice ❤❤
4Runner limited trim has permanent 4 wheel drive and an optional 3rd row.
Wow, great test. As a 21 Ridgeline owner I have been very interested in this Pilot with it's improved clearance and protection. So, as usual, the Honda will be superior to the 4Runner or Tacoma on road. But don't you think even a base level 4wd 4Runner or Tacoma would have made it up this course a good bit easier? And for sure a TRD Off Road or Pro, which don't cost much more, if any? I definitely think they would not cut power nearly as often. Then again, on road is so important! Pros and cons.
If you go see grandma a lot and she lives up on top of the hill, get the 4Runner. If grandma lives in the city buy the Honda.
@@shipdog44🤔 "if Grandma lives in the city"...by a Buick! 😅😁
@@RRr-yl8zr 😂
There are other pros and cons, the 4runner is not as safe in a collision (it's safety shell is ancient engineering) and Toyota tech interface is almost always a generation behind
What was the outdoor air temp during this test? The fog suggests it was close to freezing. Traction would have probably been much better if temperatures were further below freezing.
Wonder how it would work out with winter tires.
please do these tests with winter tires
I’m not a Honda fan. I’m more of a night rallye stage crazed Subaru type. However, I’m pretty impressed. I would have bet dollars to donuts that joker would have overheated. Definitely seems more capable than its little brother. I wonder if the power cuts were to KEEP it from overheating possibly and it sensed it was coming so it cut power. Just a thought. Anyway, still impressed. Not bad Honda! Good looking rig too! Love the color.
I think that is what the power cuts are for to keep it from overheating or burning out, not just for traction control... Either way it's shutting you down and stopping you from getting to where you want to go😅
I have my Eyes on the Honda Pilot for a While and I really like the New Pilot👍👏👍...... But I wish Honda makes Hybrid model soon Comparing to Toyota Highlander Hybrid
I've never driven on trails, but i love watching these videos, lol. What's the rationale on only reversing down the trail and not turning around?
Turning around on snow tracks is a guaranteed way to get stuck.
Really good review and that Pilot Trailsport looks great. However, I have 2 friends w/ newer Honda Pilots and both have had to get very expensive transmission replacements after a couple years of driving. Not something I'd expect from Honda and also makes me steer clear of buying one myself.
2023+ Pilots have a different transmission FWIW
My 08 FJ Cruiser came across a lot of these conditions and I just locked the rear diff turned off A-Trac and used momentum to plow forward. I was at a few Toyota off road events and people wondered why they couldn't climb a loose dirt hill, they had A-Trac enabled and it applies brakes to a slipping front wheel slowing momentum. Traction control features work great when a wheel is lifted off the ground and it brakes that wheel and transfers power to the opposite wheel.
I think I heard someone talking about the new land cruiser
Did I miss something? Why no sport mode with transmission in sport mode and traction off?
If you were coming home from the grocery store going to your house on the top of the hill, your ice cream melted... Great post though. Thanks.
what about using the manual shifters to keep it in gear and hopefully not loose all your rpms
hahahahahahahaha
18 and 23 mpg? Ouch!🤷♂️
Reliable V6 😊
5:30 I’m sorry, this is in no way a competitor of the 4Runner. I can see people cross shop them, but they are not even the same class vehicle hahaha.
Hello. Please forgive my ignorance... but, using snow chains would make any difference in this situation?
I think "snow chains" always make a Difference 🙂. Although I know there are some cars that you can't put them or they recommend you don't put them on
Getting a Tacoma Trailhunter later this year instead
The 5th Gen 4Runner does offer 3rd Row seating ?? The TRD models just don’t get it.
Thank you for this video. I just got convinced to buy a Subaru as my next car. Amazing content as always.