***** I'm pretty sure Scotland hasn't been economically crippled by war reparations that it has to pay back. The Weimar republic didn't cause the problems Germany faced in the 20th century, it started with Kaiser Wilhelm going to war, a king, not a democratically elected government.
Cherry Pips There is nothing delusional about matters of fact that you can check for yourself. And I'll say something more. I've just spent some time in Edinburgh and been away playing music with a group of people, inc, a guy from Edinburgh, one from Glasgow and one from Mull. The Glaswegian was interesting...although born there he's been brought up in England from aged 3 to 14 before returning, and although in his 30s has retained a southern English accent. All 3 were sick to death of the SNP and those who want to continue fighting a lost referendum campaign. Worse still the Glaswegian regularly continues to experience what I experienced in Edinburgh ..the nasty right wing fascist element of the SNP (simply because of his accent). Something good.!...the country has become inward looking and divided. I find it sad the way the SNP is destroying the country's standing...a matter not helped of course with regards to Sturgeon's hypocritical stance on SNP MPs voting on English matters.
Good things have been happening in Scotland for a long time - Irn Bru, tattie scones, Musselburgh ice cream, Glasgow Italian restaurants, Biffy Clyro, Karen Gillan...I'm kidding of course, this is brilliant
Camo1888 He did nothing of the sort. The fact is that Scotland's values are more socially orientated than England's will ever be. That's always been true. But - with the demise of New Labour - the SNP has taken a hold of all reasonable thinking people in Scotland with its positive message for the future. Even people who voted "No" in the referendum were persuaded to vote SNP in the election.
The union is on a knife edge. Surely you can see that. There has never been a bigger north south divide in this corrupt, unfair union. A relic of a forgotten empire, he union should be consigned to the history books. The union has never been on shakier ground and the sooner it ends the better for ALL involved. So maybe you'll lose out on our oil tax but i'f you keep on voting conservative, I'm sure they will start taxing your oxygen to make up for it.
***** Really! Then please explain why In Edinburgh south there's a higher proportion of children attending private schools than anywhere else in the UK except West London? And why people who can obviously afford to contribute towards higher education get it for free when the SNP Scottish gov track record in supporting secondary education in Scotland is so appalling and there's a lower percentage of children from the lowest socio-economic groups getting into University than anywhere else in the UK? One day you might wake up and realise that there's no difference between people in the British Isles....have you ever stayed anywhere else?
+Camo1888 did the snp treat charles kennedy with respect? did they treat Jim Murphy with respect? Do the SNP have the monopoly on morality and integrity?
I was born in Glasgow. My Dad is English, and a fully paid up member of the SNP. He's been to Glasgow on countless occasions, and your misleading description of the people there is an absolute disgrace. On his most recent visit, he accidentally left his bag on a bus... he chased after it, and it stopped. The driver saw him running in the mirror and stopped the bus. Would that ever happen in London? Of course not. A city centre bus driver in Glasgow will stop if he sees you're in trouble - that doesn't happen in southern England at least. It's about culture - the Scots simply like being nice to people, whereas down south (as evidenced by this election result) it's all about me-me-me.
+Mai Nem Mai, your very unfairly slating us... lets look at facts...did the snp treat charles kennedy with respect?did they treat Jim Murphy with respect? Do the SNP have the monopoly on morality and integrity? Nope.
+Mai Nem Isn't your dad a bute. The SNP are liars and phonies. Can anyone please explain why both they and the Tories were backed both in print and financially by Salmonds close friend, Murdoch? How can any party that claimed Labour were red Tories jump into bed with the Tories and be manipulated by the Wapping union breaker, Murdoch. It's a fact that 2 million non Tories voted for them at the last minute to prevent your anti-British party getting into power. How many times daily did Sturgeon ask Miliband to form a coalition, and how many times did he knock her back. Why didn't you cotton on about what was going on, I was right on it. You have no right to moan about the Tories, if it wasn't for Sturgeons dirty tricks they wouldn't be in power.One more thing, Sturgeon, and now Salmond this morning on the BBC has clearly said if the rest of the UK votes to opt of the EU then they want another referendum. Why is the SNP the only party who can predict the outcome of this vote. Are they taking the Scots for granted, or do they presume you'll vote as you are told to do to? South of the border you have Labour and Tory voters who are pro and anti-European. Sturgeon is treating you like uneducated lemmings, FACT.
+XS Ken Hey la, are you having a laugh. The SNP have made your country into a pathetic, nation of moaning bastards. Once again, explain why the Scottish Nazi Party (yes they supported the Germans during WW2) friendship with Murdoch?
I am happy for our friends across the border who have a plain speaking, honest and determined leadership under the SNP. Scotland will fight to stay in the EU as part of its fight for self determination ! Any honest socialist must honour that right and that reality.
***** You're right! I support an Independent Scotland but English regions do need devolution in my opinion. There is also a strong regional identity down there right? I've heard people use Yorkshire and Cornwall as strong examples of this.
What untmitgated drivel re £200 billion contribution more than received. Scotland accounts for 8.4% of the UK population, 8.3% of the UK's total output and 8.3% of the UK's non-oil tax revenues - but 9.2% of total UK public spending.Scottish Executive figures for 2009-10 show that spending per capita in Scotland was £11,370, versus £10,320 for the UK. In other words, spending in Scotland was £1,030 - or 10% higher - per head of population than the UK average. The same source shows Scottish total non-oil tax revenues coming in at £42.7bn in 2009-10, or £8,221 per head, which compares with total public expenditure attributable to Scotland of £59.2bn, or £11,370 per head. These numbers include not just the so-called "identifiable" public spending that took place in Scotland, on schools, roads and the like, but also more amorphous parts of the budget like defense and debt interest. On this basis, Scotland 'got' £16.5bn more in UK public spending in 2009-10 than it contributed to total UK revenues - or a 'subsidy' of around £3,150 per head., And so it has been for 96 years out of the last 100. The entire Scottish economy is underwritten and very heavily sunsidised by the rest of the UK. Personally I don't mind. What I do mind is separatists lying about it.
***** Twice you quote figures that exclude oil tax revenues from Scotland this is false accounting and gives a false impression.Exluding Scottish oil tax revenues and attributing them to the whole UK is simply forming an opinion and then skewing your figures to support that opinion. You should balance things up by excluding a comparable amount of taxes raised outwith Scotland. When you do that you get a true picture.The latest figures from the UK Treasury show that through the Barnett formulae Scotland received £46 billion. HM Revenue And Customs shows taxes received from Scotland £53 billion, now what happened to the other £7 billion?
clyne day I don't know where you get your figures from ..what I do know is that the SNP projected figures for Scottish revenue with oil priced at $113 a barrel. It's now $65.The latest figures I can find (20213) show that Scots each receive almost £1,300 more public spending than the rest of the UK despite a sharp drop in the taxes they pay to the UK Exchequer. Scotland’s deficit - the difference between spending and taxes raised in Scotland- spiralled to 8.3 per cent of GDP in 2012/13,. The source of this information?The Government Expenditure and Revenue Scotland (GERS). While tax revenues were £800 higher per head in Scotland than the UK as a whole, public spending was £1,267 more per person in Scotland. The deterioration in Scotland’s finances was caused by a sudden £4.4 billion drop in revenue from oil - a 41.5 per cent fall in North Sea revenues compared to the previous year. The UK’s deficit fell to 7.3 per cent of GDP over the same period, the report said, leaving Scotland deeper in the red to the tune of £1.5 billion or £283 per person.The situation has, of course, nose dived since these figures were published with the collapse in oil prices. There must have been senior SNP figs heaving a huge sigh of relief when the majority of voters had the good sense to vote 'no'. ---------------Incidentally the UK's only real source of large earnings, the City of London, generates as much income for the UK as the oil tax revenue at its peak. Have you ever heard anybody from anywhere in the UK maintain that such money should be retained by London or by England? As well as the social division I find the SNP's economics arguments nonsense. The separatist lost . There will not be another referendum in our lifetimes. Time to move on.
***** I told you where I got my figures from and I notice that you have now changed yours. You ignore my question and simply regurgitate a list of statistics that you clearly do not understand fully. Accounting and budgets have two elements income and outgoings. You only quote one side, i.e the income to Scotland you do not quote or take into account the other side of the balance sheet which is the £53 billion paid to Westminster. When you do it leaves a £7 billion (2014 figure) which you conveniently ignore because it doesn't fit you pre conceived opinion. You seem very aware of SNP projected oil figures and comment on falling oil price. Purely for our amusement can you quote the estimated oil price per barrel that George Osborne use in his 2014 budget? You managed to copy and paste the SNP figure. What did Osborne base his budget on? was it $113 or $65??
***** "Have you ever heard anybody from anywhere in the UK maintain that such money should be retained by London or by England?" This appears to be your argument to explain why you exclude taxation from Scottish oil in your sums and attribute it all to the UK. Why exclude only taxation from, oil why not taxes raised in Scotland from the chemical industry or agriculture or the finance sector? Why do you arbitrarily choose the oil sector to exclude?
clyne day You will never get answers for your two questions. The anti Scottish brigade never admit to the chancellor's prediction for oil price being more than the SNP prediction. Neither can they tell you where the £7 billion surplus goes, they only want to talk about the public spending figure.
UKIP with nearly 13% of all votes cast (4 million) get only one seat - this shower with 4% get 56 seats! The SDL gets 3 seat for a combined vote of (wait-for-it) 99,000! WTF???
UKIP ran in most if not all the Scottish seats, and lost... boo fucking hoo. Those seats were up for grabs - and you lost them, get over it. Scotland is a _country_ that is 60% the size of England so turning it into one region just to satisfy homophobic, xenophobic, europhobic, racists isn't going to happen. I'll bet if kippers had stormed Scotland and taken every seat you wouldn't have made that post...
***** Care to elaborate on your comment and point us to some evidence in support of your breathtakingly generalized and lazy opinion that Scots don't want to hear the truth? Your truth? No thanks. The real truth of the matter is the majority of Scots find Coburn an abhorrent, vile creature. Even his own party members don't like him... www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3009799/Fresh-blow-Farage-Ukip-candidate-quits-protest-MEP-compared-Muslim-minister-Abu-Hamza.html www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-31927494 www.sundaypost.com/news-views/scotland/storm-over-ukip-mep-david-coburn-s-racist-slur-on-snp-minister-humza-yousaf-1.851471 Face it - the guy's a 24 carat solid gold numpty.
*+Zsu Shilka* Is that the same Coburn who only last month received an indefinite ban from Wikipedia due to article editing abuse? Not to be trusted under any circumstances if you ask me. The guy's a nasty deceitful snake.
I agree that it wasn't fair, but just looking at the percentages is misleading as the SNP, Sinn Fein, Plaid Cymru etc weren't available to vote for in as many seats as UKIP.
All the Polls this year show Scotland wants Independence 12/4/20 Opinium found that 54 per cent of people would vote Yes 25/5/20 YouGov found that 54 per cent of people would vote Yes 4/6/20 Opinium found that 54 per cent of people would vote Yes 21/6/20 Panelbase found that 54 per cent of people would vote Yes 12/8/20 YouGov found that 53 per cent of people would vote Yes 19/8/20 Savanta ComRes found that 54 per cent of people would vote Yes 19/8/20 Panelbase found that 55 per cent of people would vote Yes 02/9/20 Panelbase found that 63 per cent of people would vote Yes 12/9/20 Survation found that 53 per cent of people would vote Yes 20/9/20 HeraldScotland found that 72 per cent of people would vote Yes 22/9/20 IpsosMORI found that 60 per cent of people would vote Yes 26/9/20 Glasgow Herald found that 68 per cent of people would vote Yes
The LibDems getting obliterated is wonderful and well deserved. A LibDem MP remarked that he could understand why the Palestinians would fire rockets at the Israelis. He was forced to retract and apologise. So you cannot trust the LibDems with defence. Presumably, if Israel: attacked the UK; enforced an illegal military occupation; moved in settlers; and annexed East London, the LibDems would be telling our armed forces not to fire any rockets at them.
The only way to save the union, is to turn it into a proportional representation. The SNP MPs in Westminster do not represent more than half of the voters.
I'm an SNP supporter and fully agree with you, but I'd like to point out that, in the past, the SNP weren't getting enough seats to represent the percentage of votes they received, and I didn't hear many people complaining then.
Its a matter of the democratic principle ppl have agreed upon. I'm not from the UK, but seriously, I understand ur position, but I hope to see a united Kingdom and not one on top losing Ireland, loses Scotland. Save the left, don't turn England into a Capitalist monster.
Independence for Orkney and Shetland! These islands have their own language, they only became Scots as a result of a dodgy dowry deal in 1361 and they are Viking not Scots. Look at the place names.
The Terminator Absolutely wrong..and there are many such examples elsewhere inc. British Isles. Have you not heard of the Isle of Man?Moreover there's a huge financial incentive and my experience is that people in the Orkneys and Shetlands trust Edinburgh far less than London
Just to keep the SNP voters update 21/7/19 was watching first ministers questions 27/6/19 noticed if Iam right Sturgeon wearing a heart and blood pressure watch her health must be suffering of coarse she’ll be blaming the Tories for that as well .
Independence was not in their manifesto? What do they want? Snouts in the trough and more money for the haggismen! Let 'em go we will not miss them. But if they want to stay give 'em no more money, they get too much already.
suilven mountain You do realise Scotland is NOT subsidised by RUK right? We get less back up in spending than we send down in tax revenues. Get your info from somewhere other than the right wing British press.
***** My opinion is based on the following. scotland gets free prescriptions and free personal care, also free hospital parking scotland gets free university education [a scot at a scottish univsrsity gets it free an englishman has to pay. Is this racist?] This is not right. Now NS wants the scots to get pensions at 65 unlike the english who will get them at 66 and 67. That's what I mean by snouts in the trough. It's not a matter of ego or the right wing press. 'I can't help holding these views' what a ridiculous opinion! Have you heard of the Barnett formula? London contributes more than they get back but they do not want special privileges. Read my post again, properly!
suilven mountain As you say "This is not right", so sort your country out and make it right. We have spent decades trying to make it right, and so we do things different and better in some respects. It's not our fault no-one bothers down there, so prefer to "blame the Scots" for your own failings. London Contributes more, they also get more than any other English region as well. They dont want special privileges?? Look at the Billions and Billions constantly spent there, using tax money. Most of the English regions are drained of funding, with a preference of spending it in London. Wake up.
johnnycarrotheid we are sorting our country out from the mess left by the Labour party . Unemployment is falling and inflation is low. Interest rates are low and the economy is growing. If we left the EU and controlled immigration this would be the icing on the cake. I don't mind if the Scots want to mess up their own country by taxing and spending but I don't want to contribute any more to the Scots. If the Scots want to embrace a socialist economic policy they should secede from the UK.
suilven mountain London contributes more because of wheel clampers that are illegal in Scotland. You should be arguing against the things that are shite in England - not jealously looking at Scotland instead. Did you know that gazumping is illegal in Scotland? Or that charging extra tenancy fees is illegal? Or that being a selfish cockhead is frowned upon? Well - now you do.
The Scottish Lion lead by donkeys. Scottish independence in the EU is a contradiction. The Sturgeon’s are ok with their £200,000.00 a year income. Why cannot you all see. The Brexit Party will get us all free, then try for independence, but when the UK are on the up, independence may be futile. No Brainer.
If Nicola Sturgeon gets her way she will turn Scotland into another Greece . Whatever attributes this woman has , and I say that loosely , an understanding of economics and finance is totally absent .
TheRetaliator99 Look it up here on TH-cam - this girl gave a lecture to the LSE (London School of Economics) a year or two ago. She understands economics. And actually - it's no secret since the Marshall Plan: Give people money, and they will spend it and kickstart a chain reaction that boosts all economies in the system. It's easy. Tightening belts austerity results in no-one spending and just stagnating. The most recent example to support my view is the case of the very banks that got us into this mess. Without the bailouts, can you imagine the carnage? Give people money and they will spend it - and get things going again. That's Sturgeon's simple message which has time and again proven to be a good message.
***** Talking about it is one thing putting it into practice is another . With oil prices in the toilet , where is the money coming from ? Do you think England is going to shell out for it ? not a chance !
TheRetaliator99 have u. Its my opinion that u r spouting utter nonsense and its my opinion u should keep it to urself, because its my opinion doesnt mean its 100 correct same as because its ur opinion doesnt mean ur correct. That is freedom of speech fool.
Finally, something good has happened for Scotland!!
Twiggy Nizzy What people sleepwalking into a disaster.?.Like the Germans did in the Weimar Republic?
***** I'm pretty sure Scotland hasn't been economically crippled by war reparations that it has to pay back. The Weimar republic didn't cause the problems Germany faced in the 20th century, it started with Kaiser Wilhelm going to war, a king, not a democratically elected government.
Clive, how about a paragraph or three of facts that support your delusional “post"?
Cherry Pips There is nothing delusional about matters of fact that you can check for yourself. And I'll say something more. I've just spent some time in Edinburgh and been away playing music with a group of people, inc, a guy from Edinburgh, one from Glasgow and one from Mull. The Glaswegian was interesting...although born there he's been brought up in England from aged 3 to 14 before returning, and although in his 30s has retained a southern English accent. All 3 were sick to death of the SNP and those who want to continue fighting a lost referendum campaign. Worse still the Glaswegian regularly continues to experience what I experienced in Edinburgh ..the nasty right wing fascist element of the SNP (simply because of his accent). Something good.!...the country has become inward looking and divided. I find it sad the way the SNP is destroying the country's standing...a matter not helped of course with regards to Sturgeon's hypocritical stance on SNP MPs voting on English matters.
Good things have been happening in Scotland for a long time - Irn Bru, tattie scones, Musselburgh ice cream, Glasgow Italian restaurants, Biffy Clyro, Karen Gillan...I'm kidding of course, this is brilliant
Labour took Scotland's majority vote for granted for decades. A right wing Labour is Tory version 2, bad for the UK as a whole.
The union is over and Cameron brought it about. Thanks Davie boy :)
Camo1888
He did nothing of the sort.
The fact is that Scotland's values are more socially orientated than England's will ever be.
That's always been true.
But - with the demise of New Labour - the SNP has taken a hold of all reasonable thinking people in Scotland with its positive message for the future. Even people who voted "No" in the referendum were persuaded to vote SNP in the election.
The union is on a knife edge. Surely you can see that. There has never been a bigger north south divide in this corrupt, unfair union. A relic of a forgotten empire, he union should be consigned to the history books. The union has never been on shakier ground and the sooner it ends the better for ALL involved. So maybe you'll lose out on our oil tax but i'f you keep on voting conservative, I'm sure they will start taxing your oxygen to make up for it.
***** Really! Then please explain why In Edinburgh south there's a higher proportion of children attending private schools than anywhere else in the UK except West London? And why people who can obviously afford to contribute towards higher education get it for free when the SNP Scottish gov track record in supporting secondary education in Scotland is so appalling and there's a lower percentage of children from the lowest socio-economic groups getting into University than anywhere else in the UK? One day you might wake up and realise that there's no difference between people in the British Isles....have you ever stayed anywhere else?
+Camo1888 did the snp treat charles kennedy with respect?
did they treat Jim Murphy with respect?
Do the SNP have the monopoly on morality and integrity?
+Tar Man i wonder why we pay more fucking tax? oh maybe it's because of the english taking all of our money? fuck you and your union mate,
I was born in Glasgow.
My Dad is English, and a fully paid up member of the SNP.
He's been to Glasgow on countless occasions, and your misleading description of the people there is an absolute disgrace.
On his most recent visit, he accidentally left his bag on a bus... he chased after it, and it stopped. The driver saw him running in the mirror and stopped the bus.
Would that ever happen in London? Of course not.
A city centre bus driver in Glasgow will stop if he sees you're in trouble - that doesn't happen in southern England at least.
It's about culture - the Scots simply like being nice to people, whereas down south (as evidenced by this election result) it's all about me-me-me.
+Mai Nem Mai, your very unfairly slating us...
lets look at facts...did the snp treat charles kennedy with respect?did they treat Jim Murphy with respect?
Do the SNP have the monopoly on morality and integrity? Nope.
+daz samuels no ur medias playing u for chumps and it was u lot spreading anti scottish hate all though the general election
+Mai Nem Isn't your dad a bute. The SNP are liars and phonies. Can anyone please explain why both they and the Tories were backed both in print and financially by Salmonds close friend, Murdoch? How can any party that claimed Labour were red Tories jump into bed with the Tories and be manipulated by the Wapping union breaker, Murdoch. It's a fact that 2 million non Tories voted for them at the last minute to prevent your anti-British party getting into power. How many times daily did Sturgeon ask Miliband to form a coalition, and how many times did he knock her back. Why didn't you cotton on about what was going on, I was right on it. You have no right to moan about the Tories, if it wasn't for Sturgeons dirty tricks they wouldn't be in power.One more thing, Sturgeon, and now Salmond this morning on the BBC has clearly said if the rest of the UK votes to opt of the EU then they want another referendum. Why is the SNP the only party who can predict the outcome of this vote. Are they taking the Scots for granted, or do they presume you'll vote as you are told to do to? South of the border you have Labour and Tory voters who are pro and anti-European. Sturgeon is treating you like uneducated lemmings, FACT.
+scouserla1
Absolute bitter, paranoid nonsense.
+XS Ken Hey la, are you having a laugh. The SNP have made your country into a pathetic, nation of moaning bastards. Once again, explain why the Scottish Nazi Party (yes they supported the Germans during WW2) friendship with Murdoch?
I am happy for our friends across the border who have a plain speaking, honest and determined leadership under the SNP. Scotland will fight to stay in the EU as part of its fight for self determination ! Any honest socialist must honour that right and that reality.
Independence is now inevitable
No it's NOT you got that last year......
***** Very good point mate!
***** Oh what total bollocks! You pathetic clown
***** You're right! I support an Independent Scotland but English regions do need devolution in my opinion. There is also a strong regional identity down there right? I've heard people use Yorkshire and Cornwall as strong examples of this.
Callum 2015 Are really that stupid, you nasty little tick. Tell me, just how would Scotland independent survive?
What untmitgated drivel re £200 billion contribution more than received. Scotland accounts for 8.4% of the UK population, 8.3% of the UK's total output and 8.3% of the UK's non-oil tax revenues - but 9.2% of total UK public spending.Scottish Executive figures for 2009-10 show that spending per capita in Scotland was £11,370, versus £10,320 for the UK. In other words, spending in Scotland was £1,030 - or 10% higher - per head of population than the UK average. The same source shows Scottish total non-oil tax revenues coming in at £42.7bn in 2009-10, or £8,221 per head, which compares with total public expenditure attributable to Scotland of £59.2bn, or £11,370 per head. These numbers include not just the so-called "identifiable" public spending that took place in Scotland, on schools, roads and the like, but also more amorphous parts of the budget like defense and debt interest. On this basis, Scotland 'got' £16.5bn more in UK public spending in 2009-10 than it contributed to total UK revenues - or a 'subsidy' of around £3,150 per head.,
And so it has been for 96 years out of the last 100.
The entire Scottish economy is underwritten and very heavily sunsidised by the rest of the UK.
Personally I don't mind. What I do mind is separatists lying about it.
***** Twice you quote figures that exclude oil tax revenues from Scotland this is false accounting and gives a false impression.Exluding Scottish oil tax revenues and attributing them to the whole UK is simply forming an opinion and then skewing your figures to support that opinion. You should balance things up by excluding a comparable amount of taxes raised outwith Scotland. When you do that you get a true picture.The latest figures from the UK Treasury show that through the Barnett formulae Scotland received £46 billion. HM Revenue And Customs shows taxes received from Scotland £53 billion, now what happened to the other £7 billion?
clyne day I don't know where you get your figures from ..what I do know is that the SNP projected figures for Scottish revenue with oil priced at $113 a barrel. It's now $65.The latest figures I can find (20213) show that Scots each receive almost £1,300 more public spending than the rest of the UK despite a sharp drop in the taxes they pay to the UK Exchequer.
Scotland’s deficit - the difference between spending and taxes raised in Scotland- spiralled to 8.3 per cent of GDP in 2012/13,. The source of this information?The Government Expenditure and Revenue Scotland (GERS).
While tax revenues were £800 higher per head in Scotland than the UK as a whole, public spending was £1,267 more per person in Scotland.
The deterioration in Scotland’s finances was caused by a sudden £4.4 billion drop in revenue from oil - a 41.5 per cent fall in North Sea revenues compared to the previous year.
The UK’s deficit fell to 7.3 per cent of GDP over the same period, the report said, leaving Scotland deeper in the red to the tune of £1.5 billion or £283 per person.The situation has, of course, nose dived since these figures were published with the collapse in oil prices. There must have been senior SNP figs heaving a huge sigh of relief when the majority of voters had the good sense to vote 'no'. ---------------Incidentally the UK's only real source of large earnings, the City of London, generates as much income for the UK as the oil tax revenue at its peak. Have you ever heard anybody from anywhere in the UK maintain that such money should be retained by London or by England? As well as the social division I find the SNP's economics arguments nonsense. The separatist lost . There will not be another referendum in our lifetimes. Time to move on.
***** I told you where I got my figures from and I notice that you have now changed yours. You ignore my question and simply regurgitate a list of statistics that you clearly do not understand fully.
Accounting and budgets have two elements income and outgoings. You only quote one side, i.e the income to Scotland you do not quote or take into account the other side of the balance sheet which is the £53 billion paid to Westminster. When you do it leaves a £7 billion (2014 figure) which you conveniently ignore because it doesn't fit you pre conceived opinion.
You seem very aware of SNP projected oil figures and comment on falling oil price.
Purely for our amusement can you quote the estimated oil price per barrel that George Osborne use in his 2014 budget? You managed to copy and paste the SNP figure. What did Osborne base his budget on? was it $113 or $65??
***** "Have you ever heard anybody from anywhere in the UK maintain that such money should be retained by London or by England?" This appears to be your argument to explain why you exclude taxation from Scottish oil in your sums and attribute it all to the UK. Why exclude only taxation from, oil why not taxes raised in Scotland from the chemical industry or agriculture or the finance sector? Why do you arbitrarily choose the oil sector to exclude?
clyne day You will never get answers for your two questions. The anti Scottish brigade never admit to the chancellor's prediction for oil price being more than the SNP prediction. Neither can they tell you where the £7 billion surplus goes, they only want to talk about the public spending figure.
UKIP with nearly 13% of all votes cast (4 million) get only one seat - this shower with 4% get 56 seats! The SDL gets 3 seat for a combined vote of (wait-for-it) 99,000! WTF???
UKIP ran in most if not all the Scottish seats, and lost... boo fucking hoo. Those seats were up for grabs - and you lost them, get over it. Scotland is a _country_ that is 60% the size of England so turning it into one region just to satisfy homophobic, xenophobic, europhobic, racists isn't going to happen.
I'll bet if kippers had stormed Scotland and taken every seat you wouldn't have made that post...
*****
There is a precedent for that - Jesus got crucified then reappeared 3 days later.
***** Care to elaborate on your comment and point us to some evidence in support of your breathtakingly generalized and lazy opinion that Scots don't want to hear the truth? Your truth? No thanks. The real truth of the matter is the majority of Scots find Coburn an abhorrent, vile creature. Even his own party members don't like him...
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3009799/Fresh-blow-Farage-Ukip-candidate-quits-protest-MEP-compared-Muslim-minister-Abu-Hamza.html
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-31927494
www.sundaypost.com/news-views/scotland/storm-over-ukip-mep-david-coburn-s-racist-slur-on-snp-minister-humza-yousaf-1.851471
Face it - the guy's a 24 carat solid gold numpty.
*+Zsu Shilka* Is that the same Coburn who only last month received an indefinite ban from Wikipedia due to article editing abuse? Not to be trusted under any circumstances if you ask me.
The guy's a nasty deceitful snake.
I agree that it wasn't fair, but just looking at the percentages is misleading as the SNP, Sinn Fein, Plaid Cymru etc weren't available to vote for in as many seats as UKIP.
Independence is coming I can feel it.
This aged well 😂😂😂
Sixto Rodriguez - Establishment Blues is the song the busker is singing. Give a couple of this guys songs a listen, it's music at its very purest.
How things have changed . Sturgeon and the snp after 15 plus years in charge has killed off a once proud Scotland.
All the Polls this year show Scotland wants Independence
12/4/20 Opinium found that 54 per cent of people would vote Yes
25/5/20 YouGov found that 54 per cent of people would vote Yes
4/6/20 Opinium found that 54 per cent of people would vote Yes
21/6/20 Panelbase found that 54 per cent of people would vote Yes
12/8/20 YouGov found that 53 per cent of people would vote Yes
19/8/20 Savanta ComRes found that 54 per cent of people would vote Yes
19/8/20 Panelbase found that 55 per cent of people would vote Yes
02/9/20 Panelbase found that 63 per cent of people would vote Yes
12/9/20 Survation found that 53 per cent of people would vote Yes
20/9/20 HeraldScotland found that 72 per cent of people would vote Yes
22/9/20 IpsosMORI found that 60 per cent of people would vote Yes
26/9/20 Glasgow Herald found that 68 per cent of people would vote Yes
Sturgeon is a funny little woman :) She does not want to be ruled by
Westminster but happy to be ruled by Brussels. So, how's that work ??
Because we’re not ruled by Brussels it’s a consensual trade partnership
She lied to us, simple.
And as history will prove a PILE of swag , cash properties oh and of course the infamous
CAMPER VAN
Labour are still finished in Scotland. Independence next year.
Scottish Nazi Party - if you fail to learn from history you are doomed to repeat it
Tories finished in Scotland in 2001. Labour finished in Scotland 2015.
Twenty years ago these two parties had 60 Scottish seats between them.
SNP finished in scotland 2023
Lost 21 seats in the GE ...all downhill now
Really? Maybe want to go check the latest polls.
And regained 12 of those again.
@@darshilmashru8479 still 8 short of what she had ... so no mandate for anything at all
@@murdothescottie haha...polls of nationalists dont count ...calls for her to resign now
Crashed and burned ....
1:25 ... So sad
The LibDems getting obliterated is wonderful and well deserved. A LibDem MP remarked that he could understand why the Palestinians would fire rockets at the Israelis. He was forced to retract and apologise. So you cannot trust the LibDems with defence. Presumably, if Israel: attacked the UK; enforced an illegal military occupation; moved in settlers; and annexed East London, the LibDems would be telling our armed forces not to fire any rockets at them.
The only way to save the union, is to turn it into a proportional representation. The SNP MPs in Westminster do not represent more than half of the voters.
I'm an SNP supporter and fully agree with you, but I'd like to point out that, in the past, the SNP weren't getting enough seats to represent the percentage of votes they received, and I didn't hear many people complaining then.
Its a matter of the democratic principle ppl have agreed upon. I'm not from the UK, but seriously, I understand ur position, but I hope to see a united Kingdom and not one on top losing Ireland, loses Scotland. Save the left, don't turn England into a Capitalist monster.
+Katy Wilkinson Yes,56 MPs on only 50% of the votes! Sorry 54 now-2 of them resigned over corruption.
No where close to brexi t party
She won't next time !!
I'm from 'next time'. Can confirm that she has, indeed, done it again.
‘NoT gOiNg To TuRn My BaCk On ThAt’ (class for a referendum less than 2 years later).
English eh. hard language
I wonder if anything of importance happened within those two years that might of caused that change
Hahaha 2017 got her goblin grin down
2019?
Independence for Orkney and Shetland!
These islands have their own language, they only became Scots as a result of a dodgy dowry deal in 1361 and they are Viking not Scots. Look at the place names.
They don't have the capability of setting up new country because of such a small population
Swaggy Tom with 45k their population is larger than many other successful independent countries. The islands also have a natural frontier.
The Terminator Absolutely wrong..and there are many such examples elsewhere inc. British Isles. Have you not heard of the Isle of Man?Moreover there's a huge financial incentive and my experience is that people in the Orkneys and Shetlands trust Edinburgh far less than London
*****...and then there's the Channel Islands....
+The Terminator Isle Of Man?
you havent done your homework lol.
Just to keep the SNP voters update 21/7/19 was watching first ministers questions 27/6/19 noticed if Iam right Sturgeon wearing a heart and blood pressure watch her health must be suffering of coarse she’ll be blaming the Tories for that as well .
weirdo
Independence was not in their manifesto? What do they want? Snouts in the trough and more money for the haggismen!
Let 'em go we will not miss them. But if they want to stay give 'em no more money, they get too much already.
suilven mountain You do realise Scotland is NOT subsidised by RUK right? We get less back up in spending than we send down in tax revenues. Get your info from somewhere other than the right wing British press.
***** My opinion is based on the following.
scotland gets free prescriptions and free personal care, also free hospital parking
scotland gets free university education [a scot at a scottish univsrsity gets it free an englishman has to pay. Is this racist?]
This is not right.
Now NS wants the scots to get pensions at 65 unlike the english who will get them at 66 and 67.
That's what I mean by snouts in the trough.
It's not a matter of ego or the right wing press.
'I can't help holding these views' what a ridiculous opinion!
Have you heard of the Barnett formula?
London contributes more than they get back but they do not want special privileges.
Read my post again, properly!
suilven mountain
As you say "This is not right", so sort your country out and make it right.
We have spent decades trying to make it right, and so we do things different and better in some respects. It's not our fault no-one bothers down there, so prefer to "blame the Scots" for your own failings.
London Contributes more, they also get more than any other English region as well. They dont want special privileges?? Look at the Billions and Billions constantly spent there, using tax money. Most of the English regions are drained of funding, with a preference of spending it in London.
Wake up.
johnnycarrotheid we are sorting our country out from the mess left by the Labour party . Unemployment is falling and inflation is low. Interest rates are low and the economy is growing. If we left the EU and controlled immigration this would be the icing on the cake.
I don't mind if the Scots want to mess up their own country by taxing and spending but I don't want to contribute any more to the Scots. If the Scots want to embrace a socialist economic policy they should secede from the UK.
suilven mountain
London contributes more because of wheel clampers that are illegal in Scotland.
You should be arguing against the things that are shite in England - not jealously looking at Scotland instead.
Did you know that gazumping is illegal in Scotland?
Or that charging extra tenancy fees is illegal?
Or that being a selfish cockhead is frowned upon?
Well - now you do.
Yer aw mugs. You had your referendum and you got yer answer. Ooh but the 45%..... Which also goes by the name of the....minority😑
The Scottish Lion lead by donkeys. Scottish independence in the EU is a contradiction. The Sturgeon’s are ok with their £200,000.00 a year income. Why cannot you all see. The Brexit Party will get us all free, then try for independence, but when the UK are on the up, independence may be futile. No Brainer.
Send them to Europe then like Ireland watch the cost of living go mad
Hello super super super wonderfully Superstar wonderful wonderful wonderfully
go JimmyKrankie
independence for England we should leave the UK no need for brexit scotland can keep the Uk pay The EU and everyone is happy.
2023...........Oops 🤣
Aye,56 OPPOSITION mps-so what?
Nicola Sturgeon Wont Be Getting In Voted In As MSP For Govan,
Nicola Sturgeon has just won Glasgow Southside for the SNP with: votes 19,735; share 60.2%. Bravo, Nicola.
If Nicola Sturgeon gets her way she will turn Scotland into another Greece . Whatever attributes this woman has , and I say that loosely , an understanding of economics and finance is totally absent .
TheRetaliator99
Look it up here on TH-cam - this girl gave a lecture to the LSE (London School of Economics) a year or two ago.
She understands economics.
And actually - it's no secret since the Marshall Plan:
Give people money, and they will spend it and kickstart a chain reaction that boosts all economies in the system.
It's easy.
Tightening belts austerity results in no-one spending and just stagnating.
The most recent example to support my view is the case of the very banks that got us into this mess.
Without the bailouts, can you imagine the carnage?
Give people money and they will spend it - and get things going again.
That's Sturgeon's simple message which has time and again proven to be a good message.
Misguided fool, keep ur nonsensical comments to urself.
***** Talking about it is one thing putting it into practice is another . With oil prices in the toilet , where is the money coming from ? Do you think England is going to shell out for it ? not a chance !
TheRetaliator99 have u. Its my opinion that u r spouting utter nonsense and its my opinion u should keep it to urself, because its my opinion doesnt mean its 100 correct same as because its ur opinion doesnt mean ur correct. That is freedom of speech fool.
You sound like one of Sturgeons nationalist thugs , so if you have the right to sound off , means I do to . If you don't like it , tough !
#UglyBugBall
Jimmy Krankie is First Minister?
She's got nice legs though.
like Danny McGrain?
Sturgeon is a funny little woman :) She does not want to be ruled by
Westminster but happy to be ruled by Brussels. So, how's that work ??
Sturgeon used to be a bloke.