Honda oil filter design problems that Honda don't want you to know. Review and engine problems
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Lol at the end of. The day do u think a toyota filter any better. I change. My filter on rav 4 at 5ooo. And when i take it. Out of cansiter it has the same nasty falling apart look also i think a lot of toyota owners doing 10.000 mile oil changes are doing a lot of damage. Once more thank u for your very informative videos
Thank you for taking time to comment
Thank you for the link.
I've always used synthetic fram filters or mobile one extended performance on my honda which are rated for up to 20k. I've never gone past 7.5k between oil changes. It is very deceptive for these car companies to push the 10k oil change when they know their OEM filter isn't designed for that. Thanks for the insight.
It's videos like these that show me even a little bit of extra care, money, and interest in maintaining a vehicle can give me much better results than what is "provided" for me by dealers and auto shops. What book were you referencing the filter media history from?
I will get back to you later today about the book name
Here is the book that I am referencing, great book. store.noria.com/products/automotive-lubricants-and-testing?_pos=1&_sid=320dd8317&_ss=r
Similar available on Amazon
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@@repairvehicle Thanks for getting back to me. It certainly looks like a great source of info.
I learned a lot about Honda oil filter. Thank you!
The moment I learned the usa honda filters were made by fram I switched. That was about 6 months ago. Wish i had known this the past 2 years of owning my civic. I switched to Baldwin, or FULL , or anything but fram. Luckily Ive stuck to a strict 3,000 mile oil change regiment.
2019 Honda civic coupe ex-t.
I’m sure there are better filters out there. But I’ve used those since my car was brand new. Now has over 380k miles. Uses little to no oil. 8-10k mile oil changes.
What year and model you have? How much oil it burns?
@@repairvehicle it’s a Honda civic. 2013. Oil burn depends how hard I drive it. If I drive less than 80mph between changes it burns no noticeable oil. If I drive harder like sustained >80mph often most I’ve ever added is ~.25 quart over 9-10k miles.
Damn. I use to use Honda Filters all the time before I started using Amsoil
Amsoil oil filter much better?
I bought a Honda filter to put on my Acura RDX. This one is made in Japan, hope it is a better product. I also bought a Fram Full synthetic filter to put on my CX5 Turbo, it is a much better filter!
If it’s not synthetic media it’s a junk regardless where it’s made
@@repairvehicle The 15400-RTA-003 are good enough for Honda to put on brand new engines. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Honda also offers The RTA part number made by Mahle in Japan
Been using these Honda A02 oil filters since 2004 and no problems. even sent oil sample to black stone oil labs. And engine has no wear metals are very low.
What were numbers for wear metals?
@@repairvehicle Aluminum was only 2 the unit Avg is 3 iron was 3 unit avg 4 Sample taken with 78,070 back in 9-3-23
What oil were you using?
@@repairvehicle Valvoine 5w-20 Full synthetic
How often do you change your oil?
Purolator Boss with Amsoil 100% Full Synthetic in my new 2024 Honda CRV Sport Hybrid...I will change at 3000mi/3months, whichever comes first...'nuf said...
Hey I have a 2023 Acura tlx type s. Gonna try the amsoil signature series, is the purplator boss the best oil filter for Hondas?
Amsoil oil filter is the best on the market
In Europe for the last few decades we had blue Purflux Honda genuine filters, the ones with a zigzag pleat that were made in France. For the last few years dealers have switched to USA made ones like above. Maybe the old filters were too good.
Purflux and Fram are now part of the same conglomerate. So I guess it made sense to consolidate the product lines, while there are some "Fram" oil filters are that are constructed like Purflux oil filters (and vice versa).🙂
I use either amsoil or wix filters or even Royal purple all better than oem Honda filter at least the fram made one but the Honda filter number 15400-RTA-003 is a better oem Honda filter choice
I have a 2014 Honda civic that I bought brand new that now has 247,000 miles. I drive it 7 days a week 8 hours a day for work. My express lane service department at my dealer is fantastic. I look and every time I get an oil change its this blue Honda filter. I go to 5,000 miles once during the pandemic i went to 7500 miles before I changed it. Never had an issue. If its a bad filter I would think I would have had issues long before now.
No oil consumption? That’s right, they all say no issues until asked about oil consumption
@@repairvehicle None that I am aware of, been full everytime I checked it. How the hell would an oil filter contribute to oil consumption?
@@ohiostate9156 when oil filter cannot trap small wear causing particulates, it causes wear on the engine. Worn out engines consume oil. You change your oil every 3 months?
@@repairvehicle Depends some times it is less then 3 months sometimes its over a year just depends on driving. The last oil change was about a year which was back in April but im coming close again, I done a lot of driving on this oil change.
All the engine problems from every make and model due too one thing. LACK OF OIL CHANGES and going WAY OVER DUE.
Thin can. Paper ends. I took off a toughguard after 200 miles. Wow crimp on spring up against a 1/8 inch gap from tube to paper. Glad I checked it.!!! Leaking from startup to shutdown! Trash!
Even the OEM Hyundai, Motorcraft(Ford), AC Delco(Chev) are way better built, embarrassed to say. Honda filters use to made by Toyo Roki(Japan), then Filtech(Toyo Roki subsidiary in US), then Honeywell(Fram), I guess so much bad rep they had Tennex(Japan/Mahle) seems to have cardboard ends but looks better than Honeywell's.
They brought back Honeywell filters, guess more cost savings and profits over quality these days.
Some Honda filters are made by Mahle.
Yes transmission filters probably made mahle because 9 speed transmission are German made
How many miles did that accord go between oil changes? I change mine every 5k and use Honda filters
Should be changing every 3k miles
Thanks for your informative video
They are all Made in China...Not Japan!
End caps arent made of cardboard, and their only purpose is to maintain pleat spacing. Replaceable element filters have (wait for it), no end caps at all.
Maybe one day, Honda, the largest engine manufacturer in the world and maker of legendary longevity will watch youtube and learn filter basics. Then, maybe their engines wont literally go in some cases up to 1,000,000 miles.
Hondas with fuel dilution wouldn’t even make 200k miles before engine needing repairs. Element filters don’t have cardboard end caps
"Replaceable element filters have (wait for it), no end caps at all. " Some have plastic endcaps like Mahle & Purflux, some have endcaps made of glue like Mann, some have no end caps like Denso. 🙂
Depends on the replaceable filter
Thats not an extended/ extra milage filter. It's a cheap ass filter, use a different if it bugs you.
The oil filters sold at the local Honda Dealer in my home town in British Columbia are made in Japan. I was aware that Honda was buying them from Fram and if they started carrying those I would change brands. Fram is junk!
Made by Fram isn't it?
Disappointing because these are $17 at the dealership
Imagine there are other things related to car that you are thinking getting quality but not
Seeing is believing...nothing they can argue now. Also I'll never let a dealer change my oil again even with the free oil changes. Along with other problems caused by them when I did my oil change after the 2nd free one on my Tundra....A honey bee drained out when I drained my oil. Just pathetic...a $55K - 65K Truck and the dealer lets a honey bee get into their oil vat!!! I mean that they only thing that could have happened. NEVER Again!
For Honda filters also ones from Hamp(Japan Honda light green, higher end than factory blue ones), Mugen(Yellow, Honda race/sports division), Purflux(France for EU).
Where do you buy Honda green filters?
@@repairvehicle if you google Honda Hamp oil filters, I believe they are blue now.
@@stevel1475 its been opened..pretty much the same as a02
There's a lot of counterfeit garbage to ,better get fleetguard from the local shop.
Good video. The filter on my lawn mower is better made. That’s terrible, shame on Honda.
I notice you review Honda filters and do not particularly like them but you offer no recommended alternative.
I have left a comment at top of comments that if someone wants better filter they can ask me in the comments section. Not many people interested in better filters
I am just thinking...
If the filtration media is made of a paper like material, what is the problem if the end cap is made with such similar material. Not biasing against anyone or any company...just my two cents.
Exactly, except the end caps are not paper or felt or cardboard. They are an engineered fiber and their sole purpose in life is to seal off the ends of the filter media so the oil is forced to go through the filter material, not around it. It is actually easier to glue the media to a softer fiber material than a hard metal end cap.
When you use proper glue it’s not hard to glue to the metal surface.
Subaru used to have the same Fram filters for the North American market, many of the owners opted to go to WIX XP. The manufactures want to keep the cost of maintenance low and you get these these crappy filters.
Wix today also China Made
@Haffschlappe it’s say us made on mine wix
My Honda dealer only says 5k miles I wouldn’t push it passed 3k with material like that
I’ve been using a Honda genuine parts 15400-PLM-A02 oil filter on my 1990 Honda Accord.
Shame on Honda. Honda used to source Denso for their filters before they made the jump to cheap Fram garbage. I order Denso only . easy to find
Pathetic by Honda and Ironic when you can see that hyundai's blue oil filter is Surprisingly very good. Metal media end caps and the synthetic blend media is 7ft. long with great capacity and silicon ADBValve and perfectly spaced pleats. I buy them @ $5.50 each When I buy 10 of them with free shipping. The biggest irony is honda says if you don't use their filter you void the warranty now that's a joke.
This filter is good for 3,000 mile oil changes. That’s it.
Thank you for posting this video. I'll be switching to a Wix XP during my next oil change! It's all about the money with Honda (as well as many other manufacturers) as they are starting to abandon quality, durability, and reliability - attributes that got them to the top. As you said, quality comes at a cost, but not so with these filters. Your video will certainly help others to make a wiser consumer decision the next time they need to purchase an oil filter. Thanks again and best wishes for your continued success here on TH-cam.
Thank you!
The higher quality filters like FRAM Ultra. Do they restrict flow too much?
Why do you think they restrict flow?
Why do you think your engine is going to work harder? If restrictive filters are bad then why I have zero wear on my engine? That video is just to generate views and confuse people.
Also, does your engine is full of that garbage that was used in the video to test filter capacity? Was the oil in video pumped at 50psi as engines do?
I’m not attacking you, don’t take it personally. I’m just trying to understand what is the source of your statements. I appreciate your questioning attitude and we need more people like you.
No worries just trying to understand the options and impacts if any of the simulated lab tests like the one I linked above not sure if YT blocks it. Not many videos go beyond the tear down. Probably just being overly cautious.
Personally I use whatever filter that I have on my convenience. OEM or non OEM filters. I started off with FRAM filters. I’m currently trying out a Honda filter for my 97 Civic. I’ve also used STP and Mobil1 filters. Now I personally use K&N
On my 2006 Honda Jazz here in the UK i use BluePrint filters & Castrol Magnatec every year at 2,000 miles.....as that's all the car does. Just trips to the town centre 2 miles each way 6x a week & a visit 5 miles each way every 2 weeks for a good run.
If you buy new, once your vehicle goes off of it's warranty period stop using these filters.
Why wait for warranty to expire?
2OHD004 From Napa, is possibly a good OEM replacement for honda
Napa has really good filters
I have owned Hondas, here in Canada where I live, since 1977. I also change oil on average, twice a year (Spring and Fall for example), and have never had any issues with engines, oil or filters. The crush washer oh the drain plug costs 25 cents to replace and is done each time the drain plug is removed. Never had any leaks.
My Hondas since 2009 have used the maintenance minder system, however, the only time I have ever permitted my vehicles to go down to the 15% oil life remaining indication, is after doing all highway speed driving, otherwise I am changing the oil when oil life is closer to 30%.
Oil is cheap and engines are not.
So, no issues with a Canadian supplied Honda oil filter that uses the o-ring. And, all of my oil changes are done by the dealer. Simple and trouble free in my opinion.
No oil consumptions?
@@repairvehicle No - none of that has ever been experienced by my with any of the 10 previous Honda vehicles I have owned. I guess by looking after them and treating the right, they have in turn provided me with outstanding performance and reliability.
I can not say that about the Ford product or the Chrysler product that I also owned - both were distastrous vehicles with dealers that followed close behind. I have heard from other vehicle owners that the dealer you use for your service can make or break your ownership experience. I tend to agree. That is why I would not own a Subaru in the city I live in here in Sk. My parents, on the other hand live in Northwestern Ontario and have excellent experiences with the several Subaru’s they have owned. They attribute it all to the dealer. Perhaps any dealer would have seemed excellent to them after having dealt with an Oldsmobile dealer in the same city for decades.
Looks like Fram garbage
What is the book where you showed the filter history? Interesting. My Kymco Spade 150cc motorcycle uses a metal mesh screen/strainer to filter the oil. I believe many small engines still use them. A magnetic drainplug would be extra nice to have on these engines using the strainer design. When i checked it on the first oil change it had hardly any debris on the mesh. It probably does more to catch wear particles from the clutch and gears than engine wear particles i would imagine.
Here is the book that I am referencing, great book. store.noria.com/products/automotive-lubricants-and-testing?_pos=1&_sid=320dd8317&_ss=r
Similar available on Amazon
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Purolator is a good brand.
That filter may be made by fram, however it's made to Honda specs, not the same as aftermarket. I would not worry about it. If available get the japan made version.
All non synthetic oil filters made to the same specifications set by astm and others standards. Oem don’t make oil filters or filters in general, oil filters companies that people call aftermarket make for oem.
Japan version still uses none synthetic media not any better than us made
@@repairvehicle I change my oil every 3000 miles. I just sent a sample to Blackstone Labs this should let me know if my filter is doing a good job. Can't wait to get the report.
Why are you using none iso certified lab? Results cannot be trusted. How are you going to tell if filter is doing the job?
@@repairvehicle I am not familiar with ISO certification, or knew this was something I should look for. Are you saying that Blackstone is not a reliable place to send your oil?
Honda motorcycle filters are the best. If you're talking Honda car filters I agree!
What makes Honda motorcycles filters best?
@@repairvehicleToyo/Riki makes them still
Well its a Fram Filter, so it must be garbage.
Fram has garbage and better quality than oem
Yes, the Ultra Synthetic is a very good filter at a good price point. But anything below that is rubbish.
I have a 2019 Honda Civic 1.5t. It’s heavily modified. Aftermarket downpipe, intake, intercooler, exhaust, and im even running FLEX FUEL. Yes, I have a flex fuel kit. Im pushing 20 PSI also. I am at 63k miles and I bought the car new in 2019. I’ve always used this filter since my very first oil change. No oil consumption and I use Valvoline 0W-20 of course. However, I’ve always known Fram makes Honda filters but i never go over 4,500 miles in between oil changes. Like you said in your video “3 months, 3k miles, change it… dont even push 10k” 3k-5k miles is a reasonable time. As long as you follow that rule, you **WILL** be ok
With heavily modified you should be using better quality oil and 5w-30 also synthetic oil filter should be used
Truth.👍
What is the book you showed?
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15400-rta-003 is a much better filter that mahle offers
What makes it better?
The knowledge here (you don't ALWAYS get what you pay for) could be extrapolated to many other fields.
Take notice of the holes in bottom of the filter. The filter you replace it with should be similar. If they are smaller better off sticking with the "Honda/Fram" filter and change it in 3k miles.
same size not smaller
Great video
Thank you!
Bosch Premium or Mobil 1
I personally do not buy the filters that claim 15k or 20k because I would never let my oil change go over 5000 miles. Oil is cheap, I would not run a oil and filter over 5000 miles it is not worth the risk of oil consumption. I have a 2013 Toyota Rav4 with over 200k I have kept with the 5000K oil changes with Mobile 1 and Purolator classic oil filters and have not had any oil consumption issues. I will also add that with the driving i currently do the oil change never goes over 4 months.
Here is Toyota/lexus with over 300k miles and 15k miles change intervals. This guy is smart a a saved a lot of money and time and still got more miles than your Toyota.
th-cam.com/video/wWTg7WP8Qdw/w-d-xo.html
That looked like an older generation Lexus in the video is that the model before Toyota switch to the low tension piston rings that are known to have oil consumption issues? I was recommended by someone that even with the Amsoil they recommended the 5k to 7.5k tops because the rings are prone to clogging up if the oil is not changed in a timely manner. Does the Lexus owner have to add any oil between his 15k oil changes? My RAV4 does not burn any oil, just curious. Now I did notice that his car was a Hybrid and that might make a difference over a conventional engine since it is under less stress and does not run continuously. Thank you for sharing the link. @@repairvehicle
@saulja1000 it has low tension rings like all hybrids. Engine runs constantly because it’s highway driving and engine doesn’t turn off. It’s not older generation 2011. No oil consumption
Rings clogged up with low detergent oils and factory drain intervals. Amsoil is not low on detergent, amsoil is known for keeping it clean with long drain intervals
Okay I will look into it. Thank you for the recommendation. @@repairvehicle
Just change the oil/filter every 3k and have no issues...
Not if you have direct injection
@@repairvehicle True, 2000 - 2500 miles with a turbo and GDI. Oil additive packages start breaking down at 1200 miles...
thanks for the video isn't the Honeywell filter here 10 year old design?
What Honeywell filter?
Thanks
Thank you ❤
Subaru the same, Fram makes their crap filters also
Good to know this. I wonder why Subaru owners so passionate about Subaru oil filters?
@@repairvehicle they think if the vehicle can go anywhere, they think the filter can do anything as well. 🤣
Honda makes some of the longest lasting engines, and most owners will have Honda filters fitted. Toyota filters also have a very low efficiency. The point is, that in a Honda, the filter doesn't really matter. The air filter is what's important. Having said that, I still use the best oil filter I can find.
Honda doesn’t have longest lasting engines anymore. Direct injection technology has put Honda engines in the same category as German engines
@@repairvehicle Consumer Reports, which is probably the closest we are going to get to real objective data, suggests otherwise. Unless you have some data source showing Honda engines are not some of the longer lasting engines anymore?
@Andrew-do2nd, consumer reports would not tell you about carbon build up and fuel dilution that Honda engines have. Consumer reports is not a good indicator, you have to look outside of the box and have questioning attitude.
@@repairvehicle CR does provide data about major engine issues and they have specifically called out carbon build up and oil consumption in brands or engines that have those problems. I asked you for data and you failed to provide any, so, not sure what else to do with my ''lack'' of questioning ability. Some of Honda's turbo engines had issues but it was oil related (NOAK volatility/ viscosity/ blowby) but not filter related. I do not believe they had accelerated ring wear or bearing wear, but the oil itself wasn't up to the task. They even came out with their own oil spec (HT0-6) to try and combat the issue. If the filter was the problem you would see shorter engine life in all their engines and you don't see that. Not sure how else to question anything other than asking for data.
Here is the data that applies to all direct injection engines including Honda
th-cam.com/video/x8Ki7r4rUMc/w-d-xo.html
Now Honda oil filters are made by Honeywell
Any proof?
@@repairvehicle Honeywell owns Fram and sources the USA Honda brand filters. If you need proof, just do some simple research on Honeywell corporation and their subsidiary holdings. Fairly common knowledge in the business world.