The WORST Sonic Plot Point | The History of Sonic's Moon

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  • @GamingOverload
    @GamingOverload ปีที่แล้ว +111

    All hope for the Moon's consistency was throw out the window once we got that "oh its the other side" excuse from Izuka

    • @fasttheplayer2535
      @fasttheplayer2535 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Why y’all trashing Iizuka man

    • @Wiki1184
      @Wiki1184 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      That’s one of the funniest excuses I’ve ever heard. It screams of “Oh shit, I completely forgot about that” type energy.

    • @fasttheplayer2535
      @fasttheplayer2535 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@Wiki1184 I mean I personally think it’s reasonable enough. Why does it matter so much anyways?

    • @mcnuggwtscreations
      @mcnuggwtscreations ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's a good excuse, give Izuka some slack

    • @ArynBacklogDragon
      @ArynBacklogDragon ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@fasttheplayer2535 cuz he deserves it.
      seriously, he FINALLY made a good decision by hand the story over to Ian Flynn, but every time he opened his mouth in interviews all he did was make things worse (the Moon stupidity is one thing, but then he retcons Classic Sonic into a separate universe instead of just being the past, and comes up with that "humans live in an alternate dimmension and Sonic and Friends can just travel back and forth willy nilly", I'm really glad that got debunked in that Tails V-tube thing).

  • @thesadbread
    @thesadbread ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Hear me out. So there is a glitch in sonic frontiers when you can sort of fly or float. If you go high enough, you can see that the moon is a flat png. So in that regard, you can easily tell eggman replaced the moon with a png :)

  • @DrSuperLuigiSeth1
    @DrSuperLuigiSeth1 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    In one of the Twitter Takeovers, this is stated:
    Sonic: You blew up the moon!
    Eggman: O-only half of it! And look, you can’t even see the missing half anymore!
    Shadow: There are reasons for that. Maybe some day we’ll get to tell those stories…
    I’m not sure if that’s a throwaway line, or a hint to something more, but it’s interesting nonetheless.

    • @HOTD108_
      @HOTD108_ ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It was confirmed over a decade ago that the moon just rotated and post-SA2 we're just seeing the other side of the moon. Obviously that's not how the moon works in real life, but Sonic isn't real life, it's Sonic.

  • @whaahh
    @whaahh ปีที่แล้ว +4

    silver going back in time to fix the moon is my head cannon
    no idea how he'd do it but i think he'd figure it out

  • @doctormodder
    @doctormodder ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Eggman took a shit on the moon to repair it after he pissed on it.

  • @robertlupa8273
    @robertlupa8273 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    The sad thing is that Shadow standing in front of a broken moon in the opening cutscene would make for a neat visualisation of... something about Shadow's mind state, idk, I remember this idea from some video but I forgot the details. But you get the general idea, right?

    • @bowmaj8666
      @bowmaj8666 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I've always liked that idea. The image of Shadow looking up at a half destroyed moon, almost like it's a constant reminder of the mistakes and bad choices that he made seems like such a cool visual

  • @nyantails
    @nyantails ปีที่แล้ว +56

    Wouldn't the moon turn around if hit by a big laser like in SA2? I know that the same side of the moon faces the Earth due to its rotation as it moves, but wouldn't that rotation be offset even in the slightest by being hit by a massive space laser that hits a little off from the center of the moon? If you hit a sphere even slightly off from the center, it will spin. Hope this made sense.

    • @helio5943
      @helio5943 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I agree and Id like to add that the easiest fix would be to have it continue to spin

    • @k-bit-gaming7865
      @k-bit-gaming7865 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It probably would, but when you see it get blasted in adventure 2, it clearly doesn’t spin.

  • @liklua
    @liklua ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The moons spins on its axis causing diffrent sides of the moon to be visable every so often, hence the moon is still destroyed and we just see the unharmed side

  • @DaveSlayer04
    @DaveSlayer04 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    I really hope they fix this because I just want to see the broken moon in the backgrounds, cuz in a cinematic/visual perspective I think it would look pretty cool kinda like RWBY.

  • @xBlaster
    @xBlaster ปีที่แล้ว +3

    they fixed it the same way they've been fighting demigods through the series: chaos emeralds(?

  • @ZX_STH
    @ZX_STH ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Eggman didn't want the Eclipse Cannon to destroy the planet, but rather to destroy any country that wouldn't join under his rule as emperor.

  • @KilosFoxo
    @KilosFoxo ปีที่แล้ว +10

    generations is tricky. the moon appears but not in any post sa2 stage however the moon does appear in the shadow battle which is their fight on the ark after the moon was destroyed fully in tact, this is probably the worst example because it litterally takes place hours after its destruction

  • @blurdrawsart
    @blurdrawsart ปีที่แล้ว +19

    So Sega has basically said that the Moon rotated and the messed up part is just hidden from view

    • @davebrown2056
      @davebrown2056 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well, that's what Takashi Iizuka has said. I doubt SEGA as a whole has a position on the subject.

    • @HOTD108_
      @HOTD108_ ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@davebrown2056I think it's safe to say that larger SEGA pays almost zero attention to the Sonic franchise given how all over the place quality control is compared to most other SEGA games. The tiny budget Sonic game get is also a sign that SEGA is much more invested in taking care of stuff like Yakuza/Like A Dragon.

  • @callumcrane241
    @callumcrane241 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Maybe the Chaos Control Sonic & Shadow used somehow got the moon aswell. That might explain why the moon is fixed.

  • @VergilGaia
    @VergilGaia ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Ok but I HAVE AN ANNOUCEMENT, SHADOW THE HEDGEHOG IS A...
    Also probably the Moon was fixed by Sonic and Shadow's Chaos Control in SA2

  • @Dragzilla66
    @Dragzilla66 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    0:12 Espio looking horrible here.

  • @kingkazma3246
    @kingkazma3246 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    They used the 7 Dragon Balls to repair it.

  • @mnxn1734
    @mnxn1734 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Super Sonic fixed the moon after SA2 because otherwise the consequences would be apocalyptic. He cannonically transported all of the metal virus to the sun and creates light constructs. He probably just picked the pieces back up with a big chaos control and put them back together. That's my headcanon at least

  • @pattik_
    @pattik_ ปีที่แล้ว +2

    it would be such a cool plot point if there was a water filled apocalypse because of the broken moon meanwhile eggman is rebuilding the moon as his secret base (chaos could also be involved because water)

  • @casualgamer3900
    @casualgamer3900 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Honestly I just head cannon the magic castle in heroes fixed the moon because 13 people (counting Metal Sonic) are running around in it. As for advance my explanation is I head cannon it before sa2.

  • @the120cxx
    @the120cxx ปีที่แล้ว +6

    In Sonic advance 3 and Sonic Riders Zero gravity, there are two moons in the sky, therefore I theorize there are multiple moons.

  • @PMThirteen
    @PMThirteen ปีที่แล้ว +8

    So, the reason we only see one side of our moon is because earth’s gravity is pulling on the side closest to us stronger than the other side. The moon is close enough for that to be a drastic difference in forces, so one side is always facing the earth. It’s a phenomenon known as tidal locking. (Fun fact: Mercury is tidally locked to the sun)
    So, when Eggman blew up part of the moon, he drastically changed the mass of that side. Sonic’s world would then pull strongest on the side of the moon with the most mass, which is now the side opposite the giant crater.
    Izuka’s explanation seems goofy, and we should have at least seen part of the missing chunk in Sonic Colors, but on paper? It’s a reasonable explanation

    • @Banana807
      @Banana807 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah and even then theres alot of other things in this franchise that also dont make sense, so sonic wise, its a decent explanation

  • @Ryncraft12344
    @Ryncraft12344 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tbh I just stick to the explanation they did for Sonic X, Eggman uses his technology to rebuild the destroyed half of the moon.

  • @AdamSelvig
    @AdamSelvig ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What if eggman from generations stopped eggman from doing damage to the moon from the ark

  • @JerekBilbar
    @JerekBilbar ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How about we just cover it in an IDW annual? “The extremely brief side quest betwixt Shadow and SA2 in which Sonic runs so fast around the moon that it turns around and Tails goes on an extremely long diatribe about how the energy from the chaos emeralds prevents the tidal system from being reliant on the Moon’s mass and rotation”

  • @bowserbreaker2515
    @bowserbreaker2515 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    There is no such thing as Mobius. I love Archie, but it was never a game thing. SA1-Unleashed clearly take place on Earth, and it was never said or implied in game that there are 2 worlds. It was even confirmed that there is just Earth. Also, the ancients in Frontiers come to Earth.

    • @АлексейТабаков-ы8в
      @АлексейТабаков-ы8в ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Then where was animal citizens beyond typical cast of Sonic characters in Sonic Unleashed? Where was human citizens and G.U.N. in Sonic Forces? And you can't say that Sonic characters (except Knuckles maybe) were created artificially like Shadow because there's no solid proofs of that in the games. SEGA just loves retconning things multiple times I guess.

    • @bowserbreaker2515
      @bowserbreaker2515 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@АлексейТабаков-ы8в Forces just takes place in places without humans. Also, if people actually read Archie they would know that Mobius is Earth. "Overlanders" as they are called exist with animals.

  • @ARfritz
    @ARfritz ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hottake, I personally think that the Faker plot line is slightly worse.

  • @numbug1234
    @numbug1234 ปีที่แล้ว

    Shadow 05's moon moment could be explained away by the intro cutscene not being canonical, or at least that specific shot.
    But that becomes irrelevant once Sonic 06 rolls around.

  • @bowmaj8666
    @bowmaj8666 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    My theory is that Sega simply doesn't care about continuity and consistency in Sonic games because they believe that the story in a Sonic game simply doesn't matter. And the reason that they think this is because they're constantly told by Sonic haters, detractors and overly critical critics that the story in a Sonic game doesn't matter.
    So thanks, guys! You think that this attitude will solve everything in the Sonic series, but you inadvertently keep making it worse!

  • @SunBear1
    @SunBear1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    In Sonic Adventure 2, thats not actually sonics world moon what was blown up. So on green hills, the moon would be normal. Same with Sonic Frontiers. Thats set on a different planet what means different moons 💀

    • @Dgero
      @Dgero ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t there a retcon or something where there aren’t ‘two planets’

    • @SunBear1
      @SunBear1 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Dgero yeah, there is a connection.They said that they have 2 different moons.

    • @Dgero
      @Dgero ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SunBear1
      I think you misread my comment, I said retcon, not connection

  • @fleeksteek1671
    @fleeksteek1671 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This video made me realize that the moon is a pretty big part in the series. From being in the second game release EVER, all the way to now, it's always stuck around.

  • @devengauna2003
    @devengauna2003 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Ya know at least, the VERY LEAST the moon is still considered fractured.
    Despite the silly official answer & it probably won't be rectified in the games.
    That's like the only sliver lining here & it wasn't completely Ignored
    Great video BTW

  • @popcorniumx
    @popcorniumx ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Maybe the real Moon was the friends we made along the way

    • @XPool
      @XPool  ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Ok, Unleash.

    • @josephtpg7329
      @josephtpg7329 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@XPool Sonic Unleashed?!?!

    • @MythicalGold
      @MythicalGold ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Rb battles!!!

  • @АннаКазанская-п1ъ
    @АннаКазанская-п1ъ ปีที่แล้ว +1

    BRO FINALLY A NEW VIDEO

  • @ShineyDoesStuff
    @ShineyDoesStuff ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey, all I know is that Eggman did some business on the moon.

  • @fonsales5373
    @fonsales5373 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When I finished watching this video, I realized one crucial thing.
    * Wait a minute. He's the same guy who says Craig Smith should go.*

    • @XPool
      @XPool  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That statement still stands.

    • @fonsales5373
      @fonsales5373 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@XPool of course, when you're jealous.

  • @bigsleeter
    @bigsleeter ปีที่แล้ว +3

    XMoon

  • @charleswolfe8896
    @charleswolfe8896 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I believe the Sega Scourge did a video on this topic.

  • @fasttheplayer2535
    @fasttheplayer2535 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Bro fr used a Molly McGee clips cmon bro

  • @virtualashez
    @virtualashez ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m pretty sure Shadow the Hedgehog’s reason for having the moon is because Blur Studios only made the CGI cutscenes, they didn’t know anything about the lore.

  • @RaziOrSomething
    @RaziOrSomething 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Plot twist: the moon from every game before Frontiers was actually The End and it came back for revenge. They never touched the actual moon.

  • @agentomecha634
    @agentomecha634 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Let’s be real here. If the moon was blown in half, then it would have a permanent effect on the Earth’s tides and the moon’s phases and gravitational pull. So I guess in order to avoid all of that, SEGA and Sonic Team essentially went back to the moon looking whole while just saying that the broken half was the dark side of the moon. Even though you could clearly see it being blown up from Earth in SA2 and that the issues I listed with the moon would still exist. Lore consistency, am I right? Maybe someday, we’ll get a proper explanation. Imagine if Sonic Team did a remake of SA2 and completely retcon the moon being blown up by having Dr. Eggman fire on some random asteroid in the asteroid belt instead.

  • @YourUncleBenis
    @YourUncleBenis ปีที่แล้ว +5

    My personal solution for this lies in the Wii version of Unleashed.
    You see, in one of the Chun-Nan stages, you can see a moon that is clearly just pasted onto the skybox without regard for the lighting in the original photo, resulting in a very clear square. Most people would say this was Dimps being lazy, but I say it's a clue. For what, you may ask? Well it's simple.
    THE MOON IS A HOLOGRAM
    Well, it WAS a hologram. Specifically, it was a hologram until some point just before Colors, when it was properly repaired. So basically, the moon thing is no longer an issue because they fixed the moon, and used a hologram before it got repaired.

  • @akinarii1
    @akinarii1 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like what Sonic X did to repair the moon, I think it looks cool and would be neat to see in the games

  • @theeverythingchannel_yt
    @theeverythingchannel_yt ปีที่แล้ว +3

    7:51 LOLLL I COULD NOT STOP LAUGHING FOR SEVERAL MINUTES BRO

  • @SonicPowerofficialyt
    @SonicPowerofficialyt ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wait, so I live on PLUTO

    • @XPool
      @XPool  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No. Sonic does, silly.

    • @robertlupa8273
      @robertlupa8273 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@XPool you mean Sanic isn't real? q_q

  • @lauraikoko
    @lauraikoko ปีที่แล้ว

    i think the impact of the eclipse cannon made the moon turn the part that isn’t blown up. but the real answer is that no one in sonic team really cares about continuity,does anyone forget the thing with blaze in 06 and the thing with eggman nega in the rivals game?

  • @STannoyed
    @STannoyed ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just say that super sonic at one point used chaos control to put it back in it's original state

  • @matrixmaster9616
    @matrixmaster9616 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Actually, I think the moon might have special healing abilities that act as a failsafe to restore itself when damaged.

  • @davebrown2056
    @davebrown2056 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    5:22 - That's not Naoto Ohshima, dude, that's Kazuyuki Hoshino. Also, I think you mispronounced Ohshima's name.

  • @Dragzilla66
    @Dragzilla66 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another confusing plot point is which Sonic Adventure 1 character ending is canon? Sonic or Tails ending? Did stoping the missile from hitting the city happened first before Chaos became a water monster and destroyed the city or did that not happen in Tail’s canon story? Pretty confusing.
    People of Pluto!?

  • @joeytabora1052
    @joeytabora1052 ปีที่แล้ว

    I mean, if it's mass distribution changed, I don't see why the more massive side wouldn't be pulled to face towards the center of gravity of the earth-moon system. Kind of irrelevant though, since there's canonically more than one moon anyway, as we have seen on a couple of occasions two moons in the sky. So in any Sonic game that only shows one moon, there's no real way to tell which one it is.

  • @sancho0826
    @sancho0826 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ok so in the sonic twitter takeover they state that sonic eggman and shadow maybe tails fixed or even turn the moon

  • @s.kanessuperbiatv6464
    @s.kanessuperbiatv6464 ปีที่แล้ว

    Honestly, an easier explanation would be using 06 or any other Sonic plot involving time travel. Just say when they messed with the timeline, the moon wasn't destroyed and Shadow didn't die. Easy fix for 2 massive inconsistencies. I know Eggman said Shadow was the original in a background comment but that's hardly satisfying. Or they could've said Dark Gaia repaired the moon with its power, explaining why people went evil at night.

  • @FloofPuppy
    @FloofPuppy ปีที่แล้ว

    Color me surprised that Sonic Frontier's final boss is nothing but a...
    GREAT...
    BIG...
    ROCK!!!!
    And to top it off it rips off the final boss from Sin and Punishment on the N64.

  • @bitcrushedchaos
    @bitcrushedchaos ปีที่แล้ว

    my headcanon to make izuka's statement make sense is that the side of the moon with more mass was slowly pulled closer to earth by gravity. sure from a scientific standpoint that's probably complete bullshit, but we're talking about the Sonic universe, its not exactly known for its scientific accuracy.

  • @ATSTB
    @ATSTB ปีที่แล้ว

    0:30 it synced up so well

  • @envixity258
    @envixity258 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    hey what a The chaos emeralds what if the chaos emeralds fix the moon?

  • @essycogany2738
    @essycogany2738 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I see you make a Amy joke in some of your Sonic videos. Does that mean anything or should I just pass it off as a total not video potential thing? 💖
    Also I love your stuff. You come up with some of the most random things to speculate about this franchise and I love that.

  • @teknocanadian
    @teknocanadian ปีที่แล้ว +2

    shouldnt the moon be full because gravity it actually makes more sense than the moon being broken

  • @rollinroby4920
    @rollinroby4920 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Eggman hit the moon fairly straight on, so it wouldn’t simply be able to rotate like they say. Time to get mathematical. The force needed to blow up the moon is 2.96 x 10^13 megatons of TNT. The force needed to remove the moon from earth’s gravitational pull is 10 million to 10 trillion megatons of TNT. Let’s be generous use the highest estimate, 10 trillion. That is 10 x 10^12. Let’s also say Eggman only blew up a 1/4 of the moon, a low estimate. Using these calculations, the force exerted by the Eclipse Cannon is around 7.4 trillion tons of TNT, more than the 1 trillion needed to knock the moon off course. In short, the moon should no longer exist in the Sonic universe because the force of the Eclipse Cannon knocked it out of Earth’s gravitational orbit.

  • @therustyfox420
    @therustyfox420 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fun fact
    In the sonic Minecraft mod the moon has a chunk out of it

  • @MohamedIbrahim-xm1tj
    @MohamedIbrahim-xm1tj ปีที่แล้ว

    & to add fuel to the fire , they had the audacity to have 2 moons appear out of nowhere in sonic riders zero gravity & advance 3 , (2 plot holes for the price of one)

  • @MechanicalToilet
    @MechanicalToilet ปีที่แล้ว

    I think the size of angel island is less consistent.

  • @turbobist2889
    @turbobist2889 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sonic x shadow generations dark beginnings seems to finally point out the broken moon

  • @RM2011ish
    @RM2011ish ปีที่แล้ว

    The games honestly never had any consistency when it came to continuity.
    Iizuka could have just said the Moon was fixed with Chaos powers and that would have been a legit explanation.

    • @mazkeraid4039
      @mazkeraid4039 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If there was a 3rd game, it could've resulted for the moon to be fixed.

  • @Kenzidagamer
    @Kenzidagamer ปีที่แล้ว

    Even though the minecraft texture pack isn't canon. The moon is destroyed in the texture pack

  • @averageburgerboy2
    @averageburgerboy2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    shoutout to destiny 1 and 2 for consistently keeping their moon broken in all releases
    i would rather play a mid game like that than a grabage game like sonic 😂😂😂

    • @mazkeraid4039
      @mazkeraid4039 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Which one? And you know it's not that hard to keep the moon broken.

    • @averageburgerboy2
      @averageburgerboy2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mazkeraid4039 both of them thank you very much
      if it's not so hard than i beseech thee to inquire why father izuka cannot do even the simplest of tasks
      i miss the old day of 1990 before sonic 🙏😂😂

    • @mazkeraid4039
      @mazkeraid4039 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@averageburgerboy2 He’s been around longer than you expected and the only fix for this, is the sequel.

  • @joshbrown6056
    @joshbrown6056 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    IM YOUR BIGGEST FAN JOEL!!

    • @XPool
      @XPool  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Josh :)

  • @NitPickerYT
    @NitPickerYT ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I can't believe you stole my cousin's idea for a Ninjago channel he's making
    how could u

  • @ScalyRaptor1944
    @ScalyRaptor1944 ปีที่แล้ว

    *_HELLO FROM THE BLOWN UP SIIIIIDE_*

  • @RM2011ish
    @RM2011ish ปีที่แล้ว

    Maybe they should make Sonic Adventure 3 a prequel that resolves this. 🤔

    • @mazkeraid4039
      @mazkeraid4039 ปีที่แล้ว

      They could make it take place after Adventure 2, and I had more than decent ideas to built it up.

  • @neko_my_cat
    @neko_my_cat ปีที่แล้ว +1

    pluto 🤣🤣🤣

  • @rock-n-party9241
    @rock-n-party9241 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wouldn’t it be because it’s in a different universe?

  • @cirnosnumberfan6449
    @cirnosnumberfan6449 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is honestly a pretty pity discussion.

  • @3flowin
    @3flowin ปีที่แล้ว +1

    hi

  • @JustCallMeStent
    @JustCallMeStent ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I feel this Moon issue is indication of a greater issue with the series at large; a lack of consequences.
    With each game after 06 (which only contributed the additions of Silver & Blaze to the main cast), you could easily remove them from the timeliness and nothing would change, as each Sonic game has to keep resolving everything to return to a status quo.
    It's a similar problem with the IDW comics where at the end of every arc, everything with the legacy cast has to be put back the exact way they were before; it cheapens storytelling.
    It's only now in Frontiers where we start getting some actual development and the possibility of said status quo getting shaken up even if slightly.

  • @poptarrr
    @poptarrr ปีที่แล้ว +1

    yo you got twitter