Everyone: I’ll defeat you once more if I have to! I’ll save everyone and put and end to you once and for all!!” Roy: “???? Tf are you doing here I have no beef with you”
im giving benefit of the doubt such as time constraints or budget constraints, because it really is such a missed opportunity but the fact they put in this idea instead of not makes me think they would've gone the extra lengths if they could
This fight was cool, but I think matching them with a class that’s similar to what they were in their game would’ve made it cooler. However, seeing a mage Liberation King also works 😂
I love how these reactions range from ones like Sigurd and Lucina, who are rightfully furious to see this ultimate evil again, to Celica and Corrin, who are genuinely sad to have to put down someone they love and respect who's gone mad, to Marth, who by this point is just sick of Medeus's shit.
@@nancestpasmoi1834the people that worship loptous indoctrinated his wife into an incestuous relationship to create a demon baby so it's not quite as simple as "they didn't meet" lol
@@boreadam I mean she'd have remorse if it was Lyon she was fightimg, but if we go by this being Eirika route Eirika, Lyon was already gone for a while and Formotis was just pretending like Lyon was still concious, so she'd have no regrets fighting her best friend's murderer
"Allow your great and weary soul the rest it deserves..." Celica also said this to Duma at the end of Echoes its so cool to see small callbacks like this
Considering what happened to their parents, she's def mad. It's also heavily hinted at Awakening that their parents were turned into Deadlords at Infinite Regalia, adding insult to injury.
I know people will say that Arvis deserved it more. But considering how Manfroy wanting to give Loptous a vessel was why Sigurd’s wife had her mind wiped, then yeah. Sigurd did get his revenge for what he and Deirdre went through by destroying the very thing that caused all of it.
@@LovelyCinccino I'm sure people will but Arvis in some ways was just as tragic. He was a pawn as well. This was all set in motion by the cult dedicated to Loptous. It's only right that it's him in that slot. It's the same reason Nemesis has the 3H slot; regardless of route, the entire events of the timeline were set into motion by him killing the Nabataeans and sending Seiros loopy.
It wasn't Loptous who killed Sigurd, it was Arvis. Also, Arvis is not in this game as a Dark Emblem, Loptous is. Therefore, Sigurd's "revenge" was pointless. His son, Seliph, delivered the final blow on Loptous, it was not Sigurd who delivered the final blow, despite the fact Seliph himself is not in this game.
Everyone else: Ah, my most hated enemy. How dare you show up again. Allow me the honor to put you down for good!” Leif: Hey, wait a minute. Aren’t you that one guy? That guy I fought that one time? What’s his name? That’s weird.
@@Rutawind more so that Leif straight up does not interact with Veld a single time until the final encounter. Raydrick probably gave Leif full blown ptsd lmao
Not to mention outside the whole stone thing Veld ain't really s***. He is lucky to live long enough for his theme to even get going After Raydrick, Veld just feels like clean up duty.
The Heroes against the final bosses in this video's particular order,: 1. Marth Vs. Medeus (Mystery of the Emblem) 2. Sigurd Vs. Loptous (Genealogy of the Holy War) 3. Celica Vs. Duma (Echoes: Shadows of Valentia) 4. Leif Vs. Veld (Thracia 776) 5. Ike Vs. Ashnard (Path of Radiance) 6. Lyn Vs. Nergal (Blazing Blade) 7. Roy Vs. Idunn (Binding Blade) 8. Eirika Vs. Formortiis (Sacred Stones) 9. Byleth Vs. Nemesis (Three Houses) 10. Corrin Vs. Anankos (Fates) 11. Lucina Vs. Grima (Awakening) 12. Micaiah Vs. Ashera (Radiant Dawn)
Leif's was Veld (since these correspond with the main final bosses of each game + Nergal [since Fire Dragon was the final boss of FE7 and Nergal was the dude before it]). Otherwise, yeah. Also, Fomortiis is the correct spelling for Sacred Stones' Dark Emblem.
Emblems have memories of all the games they appeared in, but then there's Corrin where you have to wonder how they managed to cram three whole timelines of memories
He's still a descendant of one of the 12 Crusaders tho, so even if they don't know eachother, Sigurd recognizes that it's his duty to kill Loptous and it wouldn't surprise me if Loptous could sense the blood of a Crusader flowing through Sigurd.
That's what I find hilarious about them adding Sigurd instead of Celice. The whole idea is that the Emblem's are legendary people from their home worlds, but Sigurd was just some guy that accidentally screwed up Jugdral and his son was the one that was actually the legendary hero.
@@Jordan3DS I mean Lyn is just some Sacaean descended from Hanon and Roland, who was concieved because his mom was forced to elope with her Nomadic lover. And a granddaughter of a a marquess. Other than that's she's no legendary hero either yet we see her showing up in Warriors, Heroes and now in Engage. It would make more sense to have Eliwood who was known to have canonically slain the fire dragon with the dragon slaying sword Durandal, and stopped the end of the world from dragons.
I'm very happy to see another Radd fan out there, he's my third favorite FE character! Thanks for representing a character that nobody but us cares about xD
@@lonelywolf5659 Technically, she only put Grima to sleep at the end if the Future Past DLC. Reminder, only Grima's own power can destroy him for good.
@@Jarock316 I mean- Considering Grima was lead to where the New "Naga" was at their strongest in said dlc, it's not too much of a stretch to say that perhaps that's the one scenario that Grima can be killed without their own power.
@@yorhaalm It doesn't really matter whether Tiki was at her strongest or not. The whole point of Grima as a character is that they've basically surpassed Naga in strength to the point that the best the latter could do is help seal Grima away through the Exalted Falchion. Tiki inheriting her mother's power unfortunately won't really do shit beyond doing the same thing.
@@cipher-one I'm just going off of the idea of "Why does Grima send their soldiers to the Mountain even after being revived", so call me arrogant for saying it's possible that at the "Source" of Naga/Tiki's power it's possible to do that, but in the past it was impossible because Grima is smart enough to avoid the sanctuary.(And a whole other lot of possible reasons that I could say but it would turn into a Ted talk.)
@@VexdinLord "Why is it that authority figures are always so unwilling to let go of their power? The world could flip upside down and you'd be trying to boss around gravity."
@@ajch22In three houses he says “You are all pathetic weaklings, you lack the courage to challenge me in lone combat.” Which I think fits better imo. But meh.
These quotes are awesome, I think of all of them Lucina's is my favorite. You can hear it in her voice how personal it is to her, it's almost like she's holding back angry tears. Amazing delivery on those lines. Also the timing for the music to bop was perfect
I swear, this game is just one huge celebration of the franchise and I love it. It really does feel like I'm reliving all the fire emblem games I've played growing up.
It makes me wish that with the DLC, Sombron would summon more Dark Emblems to generate his shield with each emblem having dialogue with their rival. It could be Tiki vs Gharnef, Chrom and Robin vs Vladidar, Camilla vs Iago and The House Leaders vs Thales along with maybe Veronica vs Sultr. Not entirely sure who would be Hector's rival and Soren's rival in that case.
Hector is a weird case, but perhaps Linus or Brendan would fit?? He goes on pretty frequently about how terrible the Fang is, and shows remorse for killing Victory or Death Linus…
Would have been really cool if either the dark emblems had their own special models or played a remixed version of the relevant boss theme when you enter battle vs them. Or both. Like come on. You can’t tell me Return of the Demon King or Shaman in the Dark wouldn’t slap if they remixed them for this
Its likely just a budget problem, they didn't want to create unique villain models just for the final chapter of the game. Its the same reason why the 10 elites in the final chapter of Three Houses (Verdant Wind) were generic looking enemies.
@@Jarock316 Well, Seliph's not here. Besides, Sigurd finally got to kill the person that ruined his life. (Not Arvis, he was manipulated by Loptous's cult)
Honestly was expecting Zephiel for Roy as even he says he has no quarrel with Idunn but she was the final boss so I guess it’s gotta be this way lol I do appreciate Roy being more confused than angry at her presence tho
Murdock should have been there. He's the one boss who takes Roy seriously and, in this game, Roy says that his battle with him was the most fearsome he ever had. HE is Roy's nemesis to me, not Zephiel and he is one of the toughest bosses of The Binding Blade and the penultimate boss to boot. He should have been there rather than Idunn since Heroes confirmed than she IS an heroine now.
It’s be a little weird calling Grima the Fell Dragon when there’s another Fell Dragon right there. Newer players might get confused since Sombron is called the Fell Dragon the whole game and Grima only “physically” shows up here.
@@N7_Imperator I figured that’s the reason they did it (it’s be a little confusing otherwise) but surely they could’ve found something a little better than just Despair.
Fun fact: If you press X on the unit and acroll to the Emblem's title; it'll tell you what world they are from. Also it's interesting they chose Nemesis; who you only fight on 1 route; instead of Thales or Rhea [who you fight on 2] or even Edelguard [who you fight on 3]. I can only assume this means Verdent Wind/Golden Deer is the canon route.
Para mí que es porque literal fue el causante principal de casi todo xdd con eso de matar y traiciona a toda la raza dragones o similares no me acuerdo xd para luego por causa de eso pasó esos esperimentos el padre de elderga haciendo pasa a ese traído como un heroe y más cosas asquerosas xdd
@@elpoppliogameralons0839 desde que está el traductor y de paso se traduzca bien se hizo muchísimo más fácil leer comentarios XD aunque nose porque en mi otro celular no fusiona y en otros si xdd
I feel like they did that since Nemesis is the most unambiguously evil of all the bosses. Neither Edelgard or Rhea are strictly antagonists. Thales could have worked but I feel like Nemesis is more iconic despite only being in one route
i'm sure this is far from the final fire emblem game, but with the 12 emblems being the past protaganists and the dark emblems being each one's past final boss, it really feels like this'd be an awesome final send-off to the series, a game's worth of a trip down memory lane
What a cool way to send off a series though! Yeah, I hope we're far from the end of the franchise, too, but something like this for the very last game would be super cool and tear-jerking in the best kind of way. Even better if you had to say goodbye to the protagonists through certain criteria pertaining to their respective games.
honestly I do wish they held off on doing something like this till they were ready to put it behind them, like you cant sit there and tell me a game LIKE this but with another 6 or so more protags for emblems, them being better integrated into the story and playing a bigger role, being a few chapters longer and having a better story in general wouldnt be the fire emblem of all time 😂
I feel like in the future, it'll be really cool for people who play the series in order back to back to get to Engage and see all of the fanservice for the games they just beat.
@@lilshokan We could have gotten something like that with Fire Emblem Warriors, but instead they said "fuck you!" and only gave us Shadow Dragon, Awakening, and Fates
I noticed the end of Nemesis’s quote was slightly altered from the original, which was something like, ‘[original quote]… in direct combat’. Here that last bit is ‘without your swarm’.
After playing Heroes, I love seeing these epithets and guessing who is who during the final boss made it really epic for not just Alear and friends, but the Emblems too
Marth: "How many times do we need to teach you this lesson, old man?!" Roy: "Idunn, you're not supposed to be here. You're also not supposed to look like that."
even though I recognize that the Dark Emblems are generally manifestations of the final boss of each lord's respective game, there's still an aspect of me that would have greatly preferred to see Raydrik represent Leif's ultimate antagonist instead of Veld. goodness knows that Raydrik utterly tormented and persecuted Leif in the narrative of Thracia 776; after all, his duplicity, perfidy, and cupidity for power is the direct cause behind Leif's grandfather perishing in battle and the subsequent suffering and travail that befell Leif
Poor Idunn, even in this world this girl cannot catch a break! Also kinda wanted Corrin to react in some way to Anankos, that’s her dad after all, but I guess even in a new world she never learned the truth.
It seemed like Corrin had meta knowledge about the three Fates routes and that the final bosses in all routes were just Anankos. In game she doesn’t address her parentage the same way Alear addresses theirs.
@@sadeknight9112 Also don't forget through Mikoto and ESPECIALLY Anankos. Corrin has the power of Precognition. (Fates even OPENED on her seeing "visions of the future" before that point and those she was likely to encounter in some way or another! Note alot of those you see you DO NOT meet until AFTER Chapter 6) In a meta way! the game letting you SKIP to Chapter 6 choice could be seen as Corrin seeing glimpses of a possible future through that choice! Ultimentally you could say Corrin saw the future of Conquest and Birthright first during those seconds of having to make a choice, before taking the chance she did with Revelations! That's how I can justify her knowing all the paths
@@sadeknight9112 I mean, the final bosses of all the routes in Fates are just Anankos tbh. Birthright: Garon is implied to basically just be a puppet, controlled by Anankos from Valla. I believe it’s stated at some point that the real Garon is probably long gone. And Garon was granted the ability to transform into his dragon form by Anankos. Conquest: Takumi is a Vallite revenant being controlled by Anankos. Revelation: Actually legit fighting Anankos. So yeah he really is at the end of every path, in a roundabout way.
@@fivestarguy100 yes it’s true that the final bosses of Conquest and Birthright are all Anankos but Corrin in Fates doesn’t know that. More importantly, Emblem Corrin would have to know the outcome to all three routes to have that line make sense.
Probably one the most interesting non showed feature of the game Protagonists exists because of antagonists and oh boy ; old obscure games need modern representation. Wouldn't it be cool if this was pushed with voicelines and actual models in a potential dlc ? ( heck we even FINALY get Fomortiis in feh ).
Probably less at Sombron calling himself the Fell Dragon and more that there are other Fell Dragons aside from them, I mean me and another person on AO3 have a theory that Fell Dragons are pretty much just to Divine Dragons what Shadow Dragons are to Earth Dragons, specifically DIVINE Dragon Blood was used when Forneus created Grima (likely Duma's or Naga's although until we get confirmation as to where the hells Sothis came from and her parallels with Grima as well as Robin's parallels with Byleth it's just as possible that Thabes wound up having one other person who survived Duma putting it to the torch, Sothis and considering that she seems to have a connection as a Deity to learning and knowledge, wouldn't surprise me if she proceeded to donate blood for such as purpose... as for her differences in certain things, well mutations happen in nature, it's how evolution and new races happen so it could've been that) as well as how like Medeus has a connection to a Deadly Sin, the darkness in peoples hearts (Envy) both Grima and Sombron have connections to Deadly Sins, Grima fittingly enough as being The Fell Dragon in the same way as Amanozako in Japanese folklore is The Great Tengu (IE not the only one but the mightiest one of the bunch and the most well known, the one that immediately comes to mind usually) being connected to the Deadly Sins of Pride (how they insist on knowing how fate works when it's a bunch of crap in FE that even the Fodlan games have shown with Three Hopes, alongside insisting on how it is The End which may be true, but it is a twisted, corrupted, distorted version since Endings are meant to lead into new Beginnings), Wrath (Full of hate towards Humanity, outright LOATHES Naga whom they call the Wench, constantly tries to enact Genocide upon Humanity at minimum out of said hate) and the non-Traditional Deadly Sin of Despair/Sorrow due to being trapped within the Workshop with nothing but Forneus' twisted creations brought about after he went off the deep end , that man's decaying corpse and having that trauma fester... and before anyone says anything I would like to remind you all of two things: Dimitri's arc in Azure Moon regarding the "Ghosts" with him being mentally unstable and that Forneus was a complete madman by the time the "Dark and Violent Thoughts" happened since it could've been his mentally ill mind hallucinating and Grima was actually harmless and not evil in of themself. As for Sombron... well it's all too clear it'd be either a form of Sloth or Apathy since he quite literally could not less about any world that isn't his own. I can understand his end goal and it's reasonable: find the Emblem of Foundation who happens to be the one person he's been willing to let in, go home and maybe if he was forcibly booted out of his home Outrealm by some asshole pulling something akin to the Agarthan's own forbidden spell of Zaharas or however you spell it and he didn't do anything to warrant it, proceed to if the one responsible is still alive to teach them the meaning of karma. HOWEVER, much like Edelgard and Walhart while I can get behind his end-goal, I CANNOT in any way condone his methods since the Ends justify the Means is how we get them, Sombron, Arvis and so on. Apathy can be as terrifying as Pride, and Hate when you're on the receiving end and Sombron has definitely shown that himself.
I think it might be in the literal sense. I believe it’s a reference to how Ike, who defeated Ashera back in Radiant Dawn, needed Yune’s power to defeat her.
On one hand, I'm glad to see the voiced lines from the Emblems. They're really fitting and I do like how it covers a wide spectrum of baddies. But man, the enemies are just really uninspired and don't even have voiced lines or anything 😭
Hmm.. it's interesting how they translated Veld's line there. I don't know if I'd ever been directed to look at Lief and Veld as similar in anyway before now, but there ya go. Sage Lord and the Dark Bishop, ey.
I'm gonna be honest, I would've preferred if Raydrick was chosen as Leif's counterpart instead of Veld, but I guess that wouldn't fit the theme of these all being final bosses. ...Well, final bosses and also Nergal, but he's close enough.
Veld was also the dude who told Travant about Leif's parents crossing the desert. As such, if Veld didn't exist, then Travant wouldn't have been coaxed into killing Leif's parents, thus preventing him from being an orphan. Veld's inclusion is kinda personal to Leif to a certain degree. Raydrik does have more of a presence throughout the game though, but Veld was the head honcho of Thracia 776 (even though he answers to Manfroy, who answers to Loptuous).
I get ya. I think there's at least a little more going for Veld writing wise than he sometimes gets credit for, but Raydrick is just, a uniquely hateable villain for FE, and he definitely gets the more colorful lines. For what it is, I like that his title of dark bishop contrasts so nicely with Lief's, and they render his line from Thracia in a way that also sort of mirrors the way they've written Lief here. Tiny details, but I like it!
Leif vs dark bishop: is your intent to spread fear and despair in this world too? I will never let that happen. -Diamant's chain attacks- I'll help! I lol'd more than I should have.
Technically the Emblems are sort of like "Magic based A.I. constructs" then the "actual characters!" They have their powers and memories sure, but they aren't "them per say" Hence why he can bring them into being (helps he got the "coding" for their creations from the Emblem Rings their connected too when he absorbed those ring's power back in the end of Chapter 21)
@@kylekraus6722that's only possible bcos Binding Blade's best ending had Roy rescued her and she got to live with Fae in Arcadia Anankos got no such luxury, sadly
I know a lot of people are saying Sigurd's opponent is loptus but I think it's more Julius when he gets possessed by him and before anyone says "bUt SiGuArD nEvR mEt JuLiUs" that's kind of the point. He doesn't know who he is so to have him see someone be possessed by the god his ancestor worked so hard to kill is kind of a shock to him and in this moment he doesn't care who the man is all he needs to know the he's the vessel for loptus and he needs to put him down as is his duty.
Sombron specifically them "those who brought despair to their world" in which Loptus makes sense as he's the root cause of everything in Jugdral, the dark emblem is specifically called the "dark god" which is Loptus' exact title
There’s little practical difference between Loptus and Julius by the time you fight him. But since all the other ones but Nergal are final bosses, Julius makes more sense here.
I think a lot of people forget that Sigurd's literal ghost is watching Seliph the whole time. :^( He's up to date on what Arvis and Julius are up to from the afterlife. There are ghosts in FE4. Ghosts!!!
@@tqhung166 yeah but they needed an emblem that wielded bows, and Lyn is the only protagonist who canonically uses a bow AND has a bow associated with them
Would've been so much better if the emblems manifested their physical selves into the last fight so they can fight the dark emblems without a proxy. So much POTENTIAL
@@Jordan3DS It would've been better if they just used villain emblems instead of evil versions of hero emblems for enemies. It's kinda like a good vs evil war.
@@Dragonboy55564 My brother and I were talking about that while playing through the game, but once again it'd be too much work. Each Emblem only has so much effort put into the models and the attack animations because they're used on your team. Making villain Emblems with detailed models, animations, and combat skills just to be used for one or two bosses would still be too much work for barely any screen time.
this was really cool to see. i didn't play much engage, only a handful of chapters, but seeing all of these guys get special dialogue was rad makes me want to give it another shot. loved roy's remarks in particular. giving him a voice alone makes him feel like more of a character than he did in binding blade.
Thank you for posting this, I just went straight for Sombrom and took him out in the first turn. So I missed these interactions. It is kind of a shame that their isn’t more to them. Though I suppose they want them to be vague enough not to fully spoil new fans.
Really a shame that the DLC Emblems don’t get these. Robin would probably have some choice words for Grima, Tiki would talk to three of them, and Camilla would maybe get some closure.
6:05 this is interesting; I was wondering what path Corrin is supposed to be from, and they obviously keep it pretty vague, but with a bit of alluding to the revelations path since she knows everyone… THIS line casts everything in a unique light: “If it’s true that you’re at the end of every path I take…” *referring to the Mad Dragon, aka Anankos* That implies that somehow, Emblem Corrin is aware not only that they had to make a tricky choice that changed fate, but they even know at least SOME of what would have happened if they chose other paths. Almost like this Corrin has some sort of knowledge passed on from all 3, even though the original Corrin could likely only know of one at a time…
So I guess this confirms that Emblem Byleth is from Verdant Wind, considering that's the only route where he faces Nemesis. Also props for using Fogado on that one, since he's basically this game's Claude lol
He doesn't say anything about seeing Nemesis again. Only that he was revived. Not revived again. Byleth also keeps his green hair in every route besides CF, yet he can still use Sword of the Creator. There likely is not a "True Route."
@@jonahkluger6136 Yeah I know this Byleth isn't really intended to be from any one route, but the point is that he shouldn't really have been able to recognize Nemesis unless they've already met, which only happens in Verdant Wind. You do make a good point about the hair and eye color though. Of course at the end of the day it doesn't really matter, since Marth confirms that Emblems aren't even the real, original people they're based on. I guess the best and easiest explanation is that this Byleth is potentially an amalgam of all three routes.
@@juliosalas6455 And frankly all the Dark Emblems are the "Medeus" of their games (The final bosses) then because their the narrative Big Bad (otherwise you'd have Lyon instead of Fomortiss...despite the fact it was the same thing as alot of Lyon villainy WAS Fomortiss)
God, would it be amazing if this battle was recreated in Fire Emblem Heroes and actually have those "final bosses" appear as reinforcements while battle him?
Imagine if one of the other two final bosses were chosen instead of Nemesis. Byleth: Edelgard? I knew you were ambitious, but to be summoned here as an enemy? I hate to do this to a student, but I have to defeat you here. Hegemon Husk: Facing you... I grow weak... Byleth: Jeralt always seems hesitant to talk about his time at the monastery. If you fit Sombron's criteria, then perhaps he had his reasons. I just hope you can forgive me for what I'm about to do. Immaculate One: Give her back! Give back my mother!
I wish each dark emblem also had a special interaction with the dlc emblems of their respective games, though Veronica would be an odd one, it would have been awesome if she had an interaction eith all of them
The only difference is, Grima is the main villain of a game with an offensively bad plot while Sombrom is the main villain of a game with a very standard but inoffensive plot.
Do the DLC Emblems have anything special to say against any of them (i.e., Tiki vs. Medeus/Dark Dragon, the Three Houses Lords vs. Nemesis/Liberation King, etc.)?
Honestly, i didn't try that but he stopped summoning them after all the dark emblems were defeated. It was already time consuming and trial n error to figure out which emblem can trigger whom. Maybe they have put something like that in for a dlc but who knows, there still should be a next batch of dlc emblems later on.
@@BuffMaister No worries. The DLC got data mined, so they would correspond with the following Dark Emblems if the convos do exist (added a ton of asterisks so you would need to click on "read more" if you don't care about spoilers): * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Tiki - Dark Dragon / Medeus Three Houses Lords - Liberation King / Nemesis Hector - Dark Druid / Nergal Soren - Mad King / Ashnard (though maybe he also has something for Ashera, who was Micaiah's DE) Chrom - Despair / Grima Camilla - Mad Dragon / Anankos Veronica - I don't know as she's from Heroes.
@Jarock316 He wasn't able to attempt them this time. The DLC probably lacks these conversations (since I don't know who the final data-mined Emblem would correspond to), but they still have the potential to do so for the others.
I cannot believe people hate this game... but to each their own. I loved this all the way through. The final boss and everything. I actually cried at the end...
To bad they had no lines. For example depending on how much of Anankos is in there they might well thank Corrin for killing him once again or apologizing for being forced to fight them at all, or just being to mad to recognize her in the first place.
It feels more like the Dark Emblems were more memories taken from the Emblem Rings and made Emblems themselves more then the actual individuals (Remember Sombron has long absorbed everything about the rings at the end of Chapter 21, so it is possible for him to create beings from those memories of the Emblems at the height of their power they were when those "Emblem's Original selves fought them' to act as "support" for himself! Note he was summoning all his fellow "Medeus" from the other FE! I say Medeus as "the final bosses of each FE")
I hope there's a later DLC that has each of the dark emblems to be remixed and harder than these ones. Maybe even with appearances to their original selves with some voice acting. Custom Battle music and all Even if i know that it's very wishful thinking.
Eh It’s not actually them, I think they mention earlier that emblems are not actually the characters…. Otherwise Grima, Ashera, and probably even Anankos would’ve killed Sombron ten times over
@@Jordan3DS Do what I do! Just see Conquest and Birthright as Corrin receiving Visions of them and how they happen, and then just make "mental corrections" of the dumb shit and "you'll do fine understanding it's story" LOL
You know what would’ve been cool for Byleth, if you played Three Houses on your Switch and you choose the other routes for the final boss, Engage will gather data from your Three Houses from your play through and use information from that final boss in this fight.
Thats a cute idea but it would be a lot of work for something very minor. It would also not exactly work if you had multiple routes completed since the game wouldn't know which data to pull from
So wait do more respond if you wait a turn or he uses that disspell attack bc I never got more of them to show and only got the Celica conversion by chance bc I had no idea who was who
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but has Marth's Falchion ever been called the Exalted Falchion in "main" series before? Chrom's is called the Exalted Falchion after Naga's Awakening, but before that it's just Falchion and Lucina's is Parallel Falchion. I think he has the Exalted Falchion in Heroes and Warriors, but those are just ways to differentiate it from Chrom, has Marth or anyone from his time called it that before?
It was never called Exalted in his own game, but Engage takes from more than just the original content, like, I don't think "Great Aether" is a thing outside Super Smash Bros. either, but here it is.
@@ajch22 True but also like Micaiah's thing is called Greater Sacrifice or something isn't it, so that's just the same vein. Bit different from just a flatly different name.
You know what is the most fun part of this battle? You get to guess who is who you are battling with its just like Fire Emblem The Blazing Blade with the Morphs bosses part they talk when they die at the end in this case in dialogue also because they are like NPCs characters not much of game screen time for them and their souls are inside of a Corrupted love it
Honestly, seeing a C-lister like Sombron actally summoning beings like Ashera is kinda funny. In Fire Emblem there are Gods, and then, y'know, GODS. Ashera is on another power level than these wannabe conquerors and purple-coloured dragons. There is a reason why your squad in Radiant Dawn needs another class tier and 20 extra levels compared to all the other games, in order to stand a chance against her
Even in FE Heroes, Ike is referred to as the mightiest of all the heroes, honestly it's really hard for other games in the series to top the power scale in Radiant Dawn when you got 3 insanely powerful guys in the form of Zelgius/Black Knight, Dhaghesus who's literally the most badass looking dragon in the series, and of course the Goddess herself
@@eludeirkz7961 and Ike's predecessor freakin duel wielded Ragnell and Alondite, and was a woman too. I repeat, she duel wielded two claymore sized Gid slaying swords at once.
Marth, beating Medeus' ass for the 3rd time-
"How many times do we need to teach you this lesson old man?"
Clearly more than 3 Medeus be petty!
Medeus:"I love young people."
Medeus Is right for one thing? As long as there’s darkness he will come back! Also him he gets death once more 💀
4 if you count Tokyo Mirage Sessions.
@@orangesocks5385 5 if you also count Fire Emblem Heroes.
Everyone: I’ll defeat you once more if I have to! I’ll save everyone and put and end to you once and for all!!”
Roy: “???? Tf are you doing here I have no beef with you”
Would’ve been cool if they had models that resembled the characters…. Or at the very least voiced lines from them
Yeah, is pretty lame to be honest
Probably to avoid spoilers for the older games, even the names were very vague
That would have been goddamn amazing. Huge missed opprotunity. Would have been really cool seeing the actual villains being summoned as emblems.
im giving benefit of the doubt such as time constraints or budget constraints, because it really is such a missed opportunity but the fact they put in this idea instead of not makes me think they would've gone the extra lengths if they could
This fight was cool, but I think matching them with a class that’s similar to what they were in their game would’ve made it cooler. However, seeing a mage Liberation King also works 😂
I love how these reactions range from ones like Sigurd and Lucina, who are rightfully furious to see this ultimate evil again, to Celica and Corrin, who are genuinely sad to have to put down someone they love and respect who's gone mad, to Marth, who by this point is just sick of Medeus's shit.
So was Roy. Idunn seemed more like a victim
@@D3ADM0N5T3RC4T she was, and the golden ending of FE6 has her finally being free and happy (this is what Ascended Idunn is based on.)
Sigurd never even saw Loptous the first time 😭
@@crudlucasconsigliere4084 Yeah but the people trying to revive the Dark God did try to use his wife (If I remember correctly)
"How many times do we need to teach you this LESSON, OLD MAN?!"
That voice acting from Lucina is great. You can tell she's 300% tired of Grima at this point.
Same with Sigurd
@@D3ADM0N5T3RC4T Sigurd never met the final boss.
@@nancestpasmoi1834the people that worship loptous indoctrinated his wife into an incestuous relationship to create a demon baby so it's not quite as simple as "they didn't meet" lol
Lucina just DONE. Grima took everything from her: her parents, family, loved ones. Yeah I'd be livid too seeing his ugly mug.
@@WhiteKoneko I also think grima death everyone except those main characters kids.
I love how angry Sigurd sounds and how he's ready to kill Satan on sight despite having never met it before.
I know I love it too
he got his revenge for being cuck by him and arvis a decade ago
Everyone else: So, we meet again…
Sigurd: Holy shit is that Loptyr
Sigurd, whose like the most calmest out of all of the emblems, just went full beast mode
@@Dragoryu3000 "IS THAT THE GRIM REAPER!?"
i love the dynamic between roy and idunn, since despite being the final boss, idunn can hardly be considered evil
Also, Celica reaction to Duma was cool too.
Kind of sad how Erika has no remorse for her battle if you ask me.
@@boreadam I mean she'd have remorse if it was Lyon she was fightimg, but if we go by this being Eirika route Eirika, Lyon was already gone for a while and Formotis was just pretending like Lyon was still concious, so she'd have no regrets fighting her best friend's murderer
@@boreadam Pretty sure that wasn't Lyon, but the Demon King at the end of FE8
@@boreadam Is she supposed to the final boss is a demon.
Man how funny would it have been if Lyns enemy was just “fire dragon”.
"Oh not this again! Where's Hector when you need him?!"
“Athos! Canas! We need some help here!”
tHe EnEmY!
THE ENEMY
In the next dlc.
"Allow your great and weary soul the rest it deserves..." Celica also said this to Duma at the end of Echoes its so cool to see small callbacks like this
The very sight of Grima got Lucina REAL mad, I like it
her's is def the best one of these imo
Right? You can *feel* the hate in her voice, holy shit
Considering what happened to their parents, she's def mad. It's also heavily hinted at Awakening that their parents were turned into Deadlords at Infinite Regalia, adding insult to injury.
Oh yeah absolutely
Can’t blame her whatsoever
Grima took her family, allies, friends and her world
I’d be absolutely livid just looking at him too
"Soon you'll only be a stain on my sword"
> Wields bow
> Does nothing
*I'LL HELP*
> The enemy
After nearly 30 years Sigurd got his revenge.
I know people will say that Arvis deserved it more. But considering how Manfroy wanting to give Loptous a vessel was why Sigurd’s wife had her mind wiped, then yeah. Sigurd did get his revenge for what he and Deirdre went through by destroying the very thing that caused all of it.
@@LovelyCinccino I'm sure people will but Arvis in some ways was just as tragic. He was a pawn as well. This was all set in motion by the cult dedicated to Loptous. It's only right that it's him in that slot. It's the same reason Nemesis has the 3H slot; regardless of route, the entire events of the timeline were set into motion by him killing the Nabataeans and sending Seiros loopy.
@@kieranray5340 Also, Arvis did try to make things right by providing his daughter with the circlet needed to unlock the Book of Naga.
It wasn't Loptous who killed Sigurd, it was Arvis. Also, Arvis is not in this game as a Dark Emblem, Loptous is. Therefore, Sigurd's "revenge" was pointless. His son, Seliph, delivered the final blow on Loptous, it was not Sigurd who delivered the final blow, despite the fact Seliph himself is not in this game.
@@o.h.x-9062 True. But in a way, Loptous was responsible for Sigurd losing Deirdre.
Everyone else: Ah, my most hated enemy. How dare you show up again. Allow me the honor to put you down for good!”
Leif: Hey, wait a minute. Aren’t you that one guy? That guy I fought that one time? What’s his name? That’s weird.
That's kinda what happens when your game is a side plot for another game.
@@Rutawind more so that Leif straight up does not interact with Veld a single time until the final encounter. Raydrick probably gave Leif full blown ptsd lmao
Not to mention outside the whole stone thing Veld ain't really s***. He is lucky to live long enough for his theme to even get going
After Raydrick, Veld just feels like clean up duty.
Roy: "Why are you here? Why do you look like that? Let me help you out here."
0:50 Incredible voice acting on Grant George’s part fr, he’s gonna carry the Genealogy remake on his shoulders when it gets made
The Heroes against the final bosses in this video's particular order,:
1. Marth Vs. Medeus (Mystery of the Emblem)
2. Sigurd Vs. Loptous (Genealogy of the Holy War)
3. Celica Vs. Duma (Echoes: Shadows of Valentia)
4. Leif Vs. Veld (Thracia 776)
5. Ike Vs. Ashnard (Path of Radiance)
6. Lyn Vs. Nergal (Blazing Blade)
7. Roy Vs. Idunn (Binding Blade)
8. Eirika Vs. Formortiis (Sacred Stones)
9. Byleth Vs. Nemesis (Three Houses)
10. Corrin Vs. Anankos (Fates)
11. Lucina Vs. Grima (Awakening)
12. Micaiah Vs. Ashera (Radiant Dawn)
Leif's was Veld (since these correspond with the main final bosses of each game + Nergal [since Fire Dragon was the final boss of FE7 and Nergal was the dude before it]). Otherwise, yeah.
Also, Fomortiis is the correct spelling for Sacred Stones' Dark Emblem.
@@theonewhowrotethis5681 Thanks for the corrections, mate!
So at the end of Hoshido and Nohr, Corrin did meet Anankos
Wait so Byleth Canon path is Golden deer?,The Nemesis thing
@@kevinhenrique4256
Or resonance between shared crests let him figure it out. You hear about him and his crest of flames in every path in part 1.
Someone should have told Sigurd's VA he didn't need to go full throttle on those lines. You can hear the righteous fury of Sigurd in that delivery.
Sigurd's voice acting and dialogue goes hard in general. Wonder if it's because they're gonna use the same VA in the rumored FE4 remake.
@@CirqueDuFreak2000 probably since he's also on feh
@@CirqueDuFreak2000 I do hope that is the case as the West never got both Genealogy of the Holy War and Tharcia 776.
@@Jarock316 Really?! That sucks. I hope they do make the remake.
@@Jarock316 that said next time Radiant Dawn rolls around i hope they recast Micaiah. Only Engage VA i don't like
Seeing Byleth getting to avenge Sothis and the Nabatean race always feels great.
True
Who is liberation king again?
@@angelarce9747 Nemesis. Old Greybeard. Dies in the intro, and his corpse is crushed again as the final boss of verdant wind.
Byleth is the second coming of the Liberation king, the sword of the creator is the proof
Edelgard is the way
@@mattyouu745 Can we not start edelgard discourse in the year 2023.
6:06 so Corrin is fully aware of the three paths they could take, and the emblem version of her has the memories of all three? That's crazy
Emblems have memories of all the games they appeared in, but then there's Corrin where you have to wonder how they managed to cram three whole timelines of memories
@@silverflight01 Same reason why Byleth has memories of all four timelines in his world.
I feel like more he has the Revelation memories but visions or fragments of the other 2 paths that were available, seeing Anankos at the end of each
@@hour236 and the dlc
Corrin is aware yes. In pannette support she says she did bad things to all her brothers and sisters
Sigurd: I shall be your end
Loptous: I don’t even know who you are
He's still a descendant of one of the 12 Crusaders tho, so even if they don't know eachother, Sigurd recognizes that it's his duty to kill Loptous and it wouldn't surprise me if Loptous could sense the blood of a Crusader flowing through Sigurd.
and yes, I'm well aware that a joke probably flew over my head, I just wanted to sound like the nerd emoji
Loptous: Baldr is that you? When did you decide to get a mullet?
That's what I find hilarious about them adding Sigurd instead of Celice. The whole idea is that the Emblem's are legendary people from their home worlds, but Sigurd was just some guy that accidentally screwed up Jugdral and his son was the one that was actually the legendary hero.
@@Jordan3DS I mean Lyn is just some Sacaean descended from Hanon and Roland, who was concieved because his mom was forced to elope with her Nomadic lover. And a granddaughter of a a marquess. Other than that's she's no legendary hero either yet we see her showing up in Warriors, Heroes and now in Engage. It would make more sense to have Eliwood who was known to have canonically slain the fire dragon with the dragon slaying sword Durandal, and stopped the end of the world from dragons.
I love how the game encourages you to go out of your way to see these convos by having the corresponding emblem be strong against their “rival.”
Damn, you'd think Lucina was wielding a knife with the sheer amount of venom in that line.
I'm very happy to see another Radd fan out there, he's my third favorite FE character! Thanks for representing a character that nobody but us cares about xD
Well...
She is...
But it' Parallel Falchion...
I like how celica is the only one who actually says the bosses name
True, although some characters; namely Ike, Byleth, and Lucina still make explicitly clear who their villain is.
@@chemix4314 and Eirika
@@KokichiGrimleal_058 And Roy.
Lucina being the one to end Grima this time rather than Robin or Chrom is pretty fitting.
But she did in her hard as hell dlc just saying.
@@lonelywolf5659 Technically, she only put Grima to sleep at the end if the Future Past DLC. Reminder, only Grima's own power can destroy him for good.
@@Jarock316 I mean- Considering Grima was lead to where the New "Naga" was at their strongest in said dlc, it's not too much of a stretch to say that perhaps that's the one scenario that Grima can be killed without their own power.
@@yorhaalm It doesn't really matter whether Tiki was at her strongest or not. The whole point of Grima as a character is that they've basically surpassed Naga in strength to the point that the best the latter could do is help seal Grima away through the Exalted Falchion. Tiki inheriting her mother's power unfortunately won't really do shit beyond doing the same thing.
@@cipher-one I'm just going off of the idea of "Why does Grima send their soldiers to the Mountain even after being revived", so call me arrogant for saying it's possible that at the "Source" of Naga/Tiki's power it's possible to do that, but in the past it was impossible because Grima is smart enough to avoid the sanctuary.(And a whole other lot of possible reasons that I could say but it would turn into a Ted talk.)
I'm really happy that Ashnard got his death line in this game since that's the most based line in the whole series
idk brother a lot of haar's lines in RD go hard as fuck
@@0715yt Absolutely, Haar was an absolute chad in RD
@@VexdinLord "Why is it that authority figures are always so unwilling to let go of their power? The world could flip upside down and you'd be trying to boss around gravity."
@@0715yt Levail: "Yes. He is a the last true knight. I will die for him."
Haar: "Yes, Levail. You will."
I'm kind of glad they are making Micaiah more of her own character in the game she was supposed to be the main lord in and Ike was his role in FE9.
There must be a Marth dialogue when he faces his allies "As a friend, you are replacable"
I love how Nemesis acknowledges Fire Emblem players’ tendency to beat a boss by swarming it with a dozen people
I think he says the same thing when he gets ganged up by Claude and Byleth on the final battle.
He will get to complain about that when he doesn't give himself a skill requiring that you kill his friends first
@@ajch22In three houses he says “You are all pathetic weaklings, you lack the courage to challenge me in lone combat.” Which I think fits better imo. But meh.
It's tough talk from the dude who murdered god in her sleep
@@namoma4922 He didn't ask for that. It was impossible to ask for that. He was dead.
These quotes are awesome, I think of all of them Lucina's is my favorite.
You can hear it in her voice how personal it is to her, it's almost like she's holding back angry tears. Amazing delivery on those lines.
Also the timing for the music to bop was perfect
I swear, this game is just one huge celebration of the franchise and I love it. It really does feel like I'm reliving all the fire emblem games I've played growing up.
It was meant to be an anniversary game
It's so ugly like Alear's hair
@@icecontrol1and some people still complain that the writing is cliched. Its meant to be that way lmao.
@@constabrielbell4523 Its a bad way, basically makes the reference worthless since is just a cardboard
@@icecontrol1 Not at all.
Byleth fighting Nemesis makes sense, but imagine how funny it would be if the dark emblem was Edelgard or Rhea. Now that would be funny.
He just says “damn Edelgard you lookin crusty as hell don’t you have some moisturizer?”
**Amyr’s her to death**
Even funny with the dlc. Byleth dedicating a few words to Edelgard, with Edelgard herself two squares away.
Actually Thales would have made sense he is the one behind it all but it was better for nemesis.
It makes me wish that with the DLC, Sombron would summon more Dark Emblems to generate his shield with each emblem having dialogue with their rival.
It could be Tiki vs Gharnef, Chrom and Robin vs Vladidar, Camilla vs Iago and The House Leaders vs Thales along with maybe Veronica vs Sultr. Not entirely sure who would be Hector's rival and Soren's rival in that case.
Hector is a weird case, but perhaps Linus or Brendan would fit?? He goes on pretty frequently about how terrible the Fang is, and shows remorse for killing Victory or Death Linus…
Roy's such a pure boy. He doesn't even want to fight Idunn
I love Sigurd's "Impossible" so much. It got to me. This game truly is a love letter to the fans.
Would have been really cool if either the dark emblems had their own special models or played a remixed version of the relevant boss theme when you enter battle vs them. Or both.
Like come on. You can’t tell me Return of the Demon King or Shaman in the Dark wouldn’t slap if they remixed them for this
Or hell, God Shattering Star
yeah, or at least have the final boss theme be a medley of sorts of all 13 themes
Its likely just a budget problem, they didn't want to create unique villain models just for the final chapter of the game. Its the same reason why the 10 elites in the final chapter of Three Houses (Verdant Wind) were generic looking enemies.
So if I got this right:
Marth - Medeus
Celica - Duma
Sigurd - Loptr
Leif - Veld
Roy - Iddun
Lyn - Nergal
Erika - Formaliis
Ike - Ashnard
Micaiah - Ashera
Lucina - Grima
Corrin - Anankos
Byleth - Nemesis
Almost
Sigurd's was Loptous and Eirika's was Fomortiis
Actually, Sigurd never encounter Loptous, that was his son.
@@Jarock316 Well, Seliph's not here. Besides, Sigurd finally got to kill the person that ruined his life. (Not Arvis, he was manipulated by Loptous's cult)
I thought Sigurd fought Arvis?
@@nateexists6292 I don't think Tyrfing would react the way it did to Arvis
Anankos, aka the silent Dragon: "I am the forgotten God. The betrayed King. The buried Dragon."
FE Engage: _Mad Dragon_
Man he really was forgotten
Sombron couldn't even remember the correct title!
Well he technically did go mad from degeneration, but damn
I like the change of tone in Lucina's voice when she meets Grima. Sounded like the original Lucina by Laura Bailey.
Honestly was expecting Zephiel for Roy as even he says he has no quarrel with Idunn but she was the final boss so I guess it’s gotta be this way lol
I do appreciate Roy being more confused than angry at her presence tho
I was expecting Zelgius/Black Knight for Ike as well cause he has a bigger beef with him than Ashnard, likewise Alvis for Sigurd
@@dantemustdie00 i actually expecting eirika ta slay lyon, even though dude don't do anything wrong
Murdock should have been there. He's the one boss who takes Roy seriously and, in this game, Roy says that his battle with him was the most fearsome he ever had. HE is Roy's nemesis to me, not Zephiel and he is one of the toughest bosses of The Binding Blade and the penultimate boss to boot. He should have been there rather than Idunn since Heroes confirmed than she IS an heroine now.
Think it was more elemental than personal...if Emblems embody those who brought hope to their worlds, dark emblems embody despair.
@@nicolasbanidol2371 that was confirmed long before Heroes
Sigurd's is so awesome, it's great to see him get redemption after his failure in Genealogy
Something I'm curious about is if Edelgard, Dimitri and Claude have unique dialogue fighting the liberation king like Byleth does.
They do not sadly
@@eddiezuniga1268 Aww man.
In the near future maybe in dlc
@@eddiezuniga1268 Claude should have called him a crusty old bastard smh
No, they dont. Which is a shame, since i really wanted to hear Claude using similar lines to Three Houses.
Interesting how instead of their given titles in their home game, Anankos is called “Mad Dragon” while Grima is called “Despair.”
It’s be a little weird calling Grima the Fell Dragon when there’s another Fell Dragon right there. Newer players might get confused since Sombron is called the Fell Dragon the whole game and Grima only “physically” shows up here.
@@N7_Imperator I figured that’s the reason they did it (it’s be a little confusing otherwise) but surely they could’ve found something a little better than just Despair.
@@deathclawproductions6723 He does call himself Despair so it does fit.
@@deathclawproductions6723 I guess they could have gone all the way and used Wings of Despair. and for Anankos they could have used Silent Dragon/God.
To be fair, Sombron is the Fell Dragon in this game, not Grima
Fun fact: If you press X on the unit and acroll to the Emblem's title; it'll tell you what world they are from.
Also it's interesting they chose Nemesis; who you only fight on 1 route; instead of Thales or Rhea [who you fight on 2] or even Edelguard [who you fight on 3]. I can only assume this means Verdent Wind/Golden Deer is the canon route.
Para mí que es porque literal fue el causante principal de casi todo xdd con eso de matar y traiciona a toda la raza dragones o similares no me acuerdo xd para luego por causa de eso pasó esos esperimentos el padre de elderga haciendo pasa a ese traído como un heroe y más cosas asquerosas xdd
@@urzacuentas3041 Se me hace muy random que respondas en español a un comentario inglés de un vídeo inglés, XD.DDDDD.
Pero oye, no me quejo.
@@elpoppliogameralons0839 desde que está el traductor y de paso se traduzca bien se hizo muchísimo más fácil leer comentarios XD aunque nose porque en mi otro celular no fusiona y en otros si xdd
I feel like they did that since Nemesis is the most unambiguously evil of all the bosses. Neither Edelgard or Rhea are strictly antagonists. Thales could have worked but I feel like Nemesis is more iconic despite only being in one route
i'm sure this is far from the final fire emblem game, but with the 12 emblems being the past protaganists and the dark emblems being each one's past final boss, it really feels like this'd be an awesome final send-off to the series, a game's worth of a trip down memory lane
What a cool way to send off a series though! Yeah, I hope we're far from the end of the franchise, too, but something like this for the very last game would be super cool and tear-jerking in the best kind of way. Even better if you had to say goodbye to the protagonists through certain criteria pertaining to their respective games.
honestly I do wish they held off on doing something like this till they were ready to put it behind them, like you cant sit there and tell me a game LIKE this but with another 6 or so more protags for emblems, them being better integrated into the story and playing a bigger role, being a few chapters longer and having a better story in general wouldnt be the fire emblem of all time 😂
I feel like in the future, it'll be really cool for people who play the series in order back to back to get to Engage and see all of the fanservice for the games they just beat.
This I a way got me wanting a dissidia like game even though that roster would be ridiculous
@@lilshokan We could have gotten something like that with Fire Emblem Warriors, but instead they said "fuck you!" and only gave us Shadow Dragon, Awakening, and Fates
Lyn: "This is the last time we meet!"
Wait for him to get to FEH. You'll meet again.
I love how 80% of the dialogue from the Emblems are just like "Ah damn it it's you again"
I noticed the end of Nemesis’s quote was slightly altered from the original, which was something like, ‘[original quote]… in direct combat’. Here that last bit is ‘without your swarm’.
Especially weird because he is very much reliant on his swarm when you fight him
@@IcyDragonPolaris That, my friend, is called hypocrisy.
Engage even mischaracterizes characters from the very last entry before it. That is a FEAT.
Medeus, Nergal, Idunn, Grima, Ashera... wow, they even have the exact death quotes.
Nemesis too
After playing Heroes, I love seeing these epithets and guessing who is who during the final boss made it really epic for not just Alear and friends, but the Emblems too
Are you also waiting emblems as characters in feh😁?
@@user-vr1fz8bm5r I personally wouldn't mind but I'm more interested on how IS would execute it
@@kueyteow6288 duo heroes? Or like this heroes with jojo-style stands from Tokyo-mirage-something?
@@user-vr1fz8bm5r Duo Heroes can definitely work, or work as a visual style like the TMS units
@@kueyteow6288 fallen berkut and brave micaiah is also smth like this style(yune and rinea)
Marth: "How many times do we need to teach you this lesson, old man?!"
Roy: "Idunn, you're not supposed to be here. You're also not supposed to look like that."
even though I recognize that the Dark Emblems are generally manifestations of the final boss of each lord's respective game, there's still an aspect of me that would have greatly preferred to see Raydrik represent Leif's ultimate antagonist instead of Veld. goodness knows that Raydrik utterly tormented and persecuted Leif in the narrative of Thracia 776; after all, his duplicity, perfidy, and cupidity for power is the direct cause behind Leif's grandfather perishing in battle and the subsequent suffering and travail that befell Leif
Poor Idunn, even in this world this girl cannot catch a break! Also kinda wanted Corrin to react in some way to Anankos, that’s her dad after all, but I guess even in a new world she never learned the truth.
It seemed like Corrin had meta knowledge about the three Fates routes and that the final bosses in all routes were just Anankos. In game she doesn’t address her parentage the same way Alear addresses theirs.
@@sadeknight9112 Also don't forget through Mikoto and ESPECIALLY Anankos. Corrin has the power of Precognition. (Fates even OPENED on her seeing "visions of the future" before that point and those she was likely to encounter in some way or another! Note alot of those you see you DO NOT meet until AFTER Chapter 6) In a meta way! the game letting you SKIP to Chapter 6 choice could be seen as Corrin seeing glimpses of a possible future through that choice! Ultimentally you could say Corrin saw the future of Conquest and Birthright first during those seconds of having to make a choice, before taking the chance she did with Revelations!
That's how I can justify her knowing all the paths
@@sadeknight9112 I mean, the final bosses of all the routes in Fates are just Anankos tbh.
Birthright: Garon is implied to basically just be a puppet, controlled by Anankos from Valla. I believe it’s stated at some point that the real Garon is probably long gone. And Garon was granted the ability to transform into his dragon form by Anankos.
Conquest: Takumi is a Vallite revenant being controlled by Anankos.
Revelation: Actually legit fighting Anankos.
So yeah he really is at the end of every path, in a roundabout way.
@@fivestarguy100 yes it’s true that the final bosses of Conquest and Birthright are all Anankos but Corrin in Fates doesn’t know that. More importantly, Emblem Corrin would have to know the outcome to all three routes to have that line make sense.
Probably one the most interesting non showed feature of the game
Protagonists exists because of antagonists and oh boy ; old obscure games need modern representation.
Wouldn't it be cool if this was pushed with voicelines and actual models in a potential dlc ?
( heck we even FINALY get Fomortiis in feh ).
Anakos: daughter! :D
Corrin: your the last person I wanted to see!
Anakos: D:
*Grima raising an eyebrow at sombron calling himself the fell dragon*
I mean, does Corrin even know that Anankos is her bio dad? 🤔
@@saniaaf2251 In Revelations yes
Honestly tho I wouldn’t want to see him either-he killed Mikoto
Probably less at Sombron calling himself the Fell Dragon and more that there are other Fell Dragons aside from them, I mean me and another person on AO3 have a theory that Fell Dragons are pretty much just to Divine Dragons what Shadow Dragons are to Earth Dragons, specifically DIVINE Dragon Blood was used when Forneus created Grima (likely Duma's or Naga's although until we get confirmation as to where the hells Sothis came from and her parallels with Grima as well as Robin's parallels with Byleth it's just as possible that Thabes wound up having one other person who survived Duma putting it to the torch, Sothis and considering that she seems to have a connection as a Deity to learning and knowledge, wouldn't surprise me if she proceeded to donate blood for such as purpose... as for her differences in certain things, well mutations happen in nature, it's how evolution and new races happen so it could've been that) as well as how like Medeus has a connection to a Deadly Sin, the darkness in peoples hearts (Envy) both Grima and Sombron have connections to Deadly Sins, Grima fittingly enough as being The Fell Dragon in the same way as Amanozako in Japanese folklore is The Great Tengu (IE not the only one but the mightiest one of the bunch and the most well known, the one that immediately comes to mind usually) being connected to the Deadly Sins of Pride (how they insist on knowing how fate works when it's a bunch of crap in FE that even the Fodlan games have shown with Three Hopes, alongside insisting on how it is The End which may be true, but it is a twisted, corrupted, distorted version since Endings are meant to lead into new Beginnings), Wrath (Full of hate towards Humanity, outright LOATHES Naga whom they call the Wench, constantly tries to enact Genocide upon Humanity at minimum out of said hate) and the non-Traditional Deadly Sin of Despair/Sorrow due to being trapped within the Workshop with nothing but Forneus' twisted creations brought about after he went off the deep end , that man's decaying corpse and having that trauma fester... and before anyone says anything I would like to remind you all of two things: Dimitri's arc in Azure Moon regarding the "Ghosts" with him being mentally unstable and that Forneus was a complete madman by the time the "Dark and Violent Thoughts" happened since it could've been his mentally ill mind hallucinating and Grima was actually harmless and not evil in of themself. As for Sombron... well it's all too clear it'd be either a form of Sloth or Apathy since he quite literally could not less about any world that isn't his own. I can understand his end goal and it's reasonable: find the Emblem of Foundation who happens to be the one person he's been willing to let in, go home and maybe if he was forcibly booted out of his home Outrealm by some asshole pulling something akin to the Agarthan's own forbidden spell of Zaharas or however you spell it and he didn't do anything to warrant it, proceed to if the one responsible is still alive to teach them the meaning of karma. HOWEVER, much like Edelgard and Walhart while I can get behind his end-goal, I CANNOT in any way condone his methods since the Ends justify the Means is how we get them, Sombron, Arvis and so on. Apathy can be as terrifying as Pride, and Hate when you're on the receiving end and Sombron has definitely shown that himself.
I wish the DLC Emblems had lines for the antagonists from their games. It’d be cool seeing Chrom & Robin with Grima and Tiki with Medeus especially
Micaiah asking Yune for strength made me tear up a little
I think it might be in the literal sense. I believe it’s a reference to how Ike, who defeated Ashera back in Radiant Dawn, needed Yune’s power to defeat her.
@@JurzGarz still made me emotional lol
@@JurzGarz to be fair as well, Yune did use her body as a vessel whenever she spoke ( apart from the aftermath of the final boss)
Interestingly micaiah said "yun" but in radiant dawn she is pronounced as "yu-ne"
On one hand, I'm glad to see the voiced lines from the Emblems. They're really fitting and I do like how it covers a wide spectrum of baddies.
But man, the enemies are just really uninspired and don't even have voiced lines or anything 😭
Hmm.. it's interesting how they translated Veld's line there. I don't know if I'd ever been directed to look at Lief and Veld as similar in anyway before now, but there ya go. Sage Lord and the Dark Bishop, ey.
I'm gonna be honest, I would've preferred if Raydrick was chosen as Leif's counterpart instead of Veld, but I guess that wouldn't fit the theme of these all being final bosses.
...Well, final bosses and also Nergal, but he's close enough.
Fire Dragón is too OP to be added
He's The Dark Droid isn't he?
@@danield879 Nergal's the Dark Druid, yeah. That was his exclusive class in Blazing Blade.
Veld was also the dude who told Travant about Leif's parents crossing the desert. As such, if Veld didn't exist, then Travant wouldn't have been coaxed into killing Leif's parents, thus preventing him from being an orphan. Veld's inclusion is kinda personal to Leif to a certain degree.
Raydrik does have more of a presence throughout the game though, but Veld was the head honcho of Thracia 776 (even though he answers to Manfroy, who answers to Loptuous).
I get ya. I think there's at least a little more going for Veld writing wise than he sometimes gets credit for, but Raydrick is just, a uniquely hateable villain for FE, and he definitely gets the more colorful lines.
For what it is, I like that his title of dark bishop contrasts so nicely with Lief's, and they render his line from Thracia in a way that also sort of mirrors the way they've written Lief here. Tiny details, but I like it!
Leif should have been all "Sombron summoned you of all people? Does he even know you got beaten by the weakest unit in my army back then?"
the ones that stand out to me the most are Sigurd, Ike, and Lucina's.
Those three are the coolest of the bunch, especially Lucina’s.
Leif vs dark bishop: is your intent to spread fear and despair in this world too? I will never let that happen.
-Diamant's chain attacks-
I'll help!
I lol'd more than I should have.
Sombron must be really powerful to summon gods, like Duma and Ashera???? He must be the god of gatcha in FEH
Technically the Emblems are sort of like "Magic based A.I. constructs" then the "actual characters!" They have their powers and memories sure, but they aren't "them per say" Hence why he can bring them into being (helps he got the "coding" for their creations from the Emblem Rings their connected too when he absorbed those ring's power back in the end of Chapter 21)
Anankos and Idunn: Why am I alone, suffering in madness?
At least Idunn gets to go have fun in Heroes from time to time. This is Anankos’s first appearance since Heirs of Fate, almost a decade ago.
@@kylekraus6722that's only possible bcos Binding Blade's best ending had Roy rescued her and she got to live with Fae in Arcadia
Anankos got no such luxury, sadly
I know a lot of people are saying Sigurd's opponent is loptus but I think it's more Julius when he gets possessed by him and before anyone says "bUt SiGuArD nEvR mEt JuLiUs" that's kind of the point. He doesn't know who he is so to have him see someone be possessed by the god his ancestor worked so hard to kill is kind of a shock to him and in this moment he doesn't care who the man is all he needs to know the he's the vessel for loptus and he needs to put him down as is his duty.
Sombron specifically them "those who brought despair to their world" in which Loptus makes sense as he's the root cause of everything in Jugdral, the dark emblem is specifically called the "dark god" which is Loptus' exact title
tbf he knows Arvis and Julius resembles him so I think that's spot on because it's for a second he recognizes but then sees the dark god within.
There’s little practical difference between Loptus and Julius by the time you fight him. But since all the other ones but Nergal are final bosses, Julius makes more sense here.
I think a lot of people forget that Sigurd's literal ghost is watching Seliph the whole time. :^( He's up to date on what Arvis and Julius are up to from the afterlife. There are ghosts in FE4. Ghosts!!!
Julius and Loptr are pretty much the same entity by the end of FE4 so it doesn't really matter. It's still Loptr's soul.
They really give interesting easter egg/lores for long time FE players.
It’d have been funny if Lyn’s opponent was Lundgren instead of Nergal since she has way less connection to the latter.
-random weak ass general who dies. Standing next to gods and the thrawls of gods. "I wanted a castle"
@@boserboser6870 True, while more personal, he really is no where near the others to justify it story wise.
Make more sense if the Emblem was either Hector or Eliwood. Lyn really has little to do with Nergal
Sort of like veld
@@tqhung166 yeah but they needed an emblem that wielded bows, and Lyn is the only protagonist who canonically uses a bow AND has a bow associated with them
Would've been so much better if the emblems manifested their physical selves into the last fight so they can fight the dark emblems without a proxy. So much POTENTIAL
As sick as that sounds it would detract from the main gameplay aspect of engaging
@@Rhin0beak Also, the Emblems are not the same people from their original worlds. Marth outright says this in the final battle.
@@darkstorm2579 They're pretty much copies, like heroic spirits from Fate.
@@gamechanger8908 Yep. Hilariously enough, I think I said something similar in a different comment thread. Great minds think alike.
They should have done more with these dark emblems, because it's what I wanted out of the game and would have been way way cooler.
It would have been too much work to fully model and voice all of the villains for what amounts to very little game time.
@@Jordan3DS that’s why they should have added 3 more maps with the dark emblems. Instead of the end of the game
@@Jordan3DS It would've been better if they just used villain emblems instead of evil versions of hero emblems for enemies. It's kinda like a good vs evil war.
@@Dragonboy55564 My brother and I were talking about that while playing through the game, but once again it'd be too much work. Each Emblem only has so much effort put into the models and the attack animations because they're used on your team. Making villain Emblems with detailed models, animations, and combat skills just to be used for one or two bosses would still be too much work for barely any screen time.
@@zwillscoopchannel9689 They'd still only be showing up once each, though, which is a lot of dev time for such a small part of the game.
this was really cool to see. i didn't play much engage, only a handful of chapters, but seeing all of these guys get special dialogue was rad makes me want to give it another shot. loved roy's remarks in particular. giving him a voice alone makes him feel like more of a character than he did in binding blade.
Thank you for posting this, I just went straight for Sombrom and took him out in the first turn. So I missed these interactions. It is kind of a shame that their isn’t more to them. Though I suppose they want them to be vague enough not to fully spoil new fans.
Really a shame that the DLC Emblems don’t get these. Robin would probably have some choice words for Grima, Tiki would talk to three of them, and Camilla would maybe get some closure.
6:05 this is interesting; I was wondering what path Corrin is supposed to be from, and they obviously keep it pretty vague, but with a bit of alluding to the revelations path since she knows everyone… THIS line casts everything in a unique light:
“If it’s true that you’re at the end of every path I take…” *referring to the Mad Dragon, aka Anankos*
That implies that somehow, Emblem Corrin is aware not only that they had to make a tricky choice that changed fate, but they even know at least SOME of what would have happened if they chose other paths. Almost like this Corrin has some sort of knowledge passed on from all 3, even though the original Corrin could likely only know of one at a time…
Corrin seems to be aware of her multiple paths..
Ladies and gentleman emblem byleth is hopefully canonically a golden deer
So I guess this confirms that Emblem Byleth is from Verdant Wind, considering that's the only route where he faces Nemesis.
Also props for using Fogado on that one, since he's basically this game's Claude lol
He doesn't say anything about seeing Nemesis again. Only that he was revived. Not revived again. Byleth also keeps his green hair in every route besides CF, yet he can still use Sword of the Creator.
There likely is not a "True Route."
@@jonahkluger6136 Yeah I know this Byleth isn't really intended to be from any one route, but the point is that he shouldn't really have been able to recognize Nemesis unless they've already met, which only happens in Verdant Wind. You do make a good point about the hair and eye color though.
Of course at the end of the day it doesn't really matter, since Marth confirms that Emblems aren't even the real, original people they're based on. I guess the best and easiest explanation is that this Byleth is potentially an amalgam of all three routes.
@Zazzer I think the reason they went with Nemesis instead of Thales is because Nemesis is more iconic, in large part thanks to GSS
@@juliosalas6455 And frankly all the Dark Emblems are the "Medeus" of their games (The final bosses) then because their the narrative Big Bad (otherwise you'd have Lyon instead of Fomortiss...despite the fact it was the same thing as alot of Lyon villainy WAS Fomortiss)
I love how if you beat the map fast enough you don’t get to face all the dark emblems
Honestly I didn't even know there were more than 4 because Anna with Nova go brrrrrrrr
LMAO I also did not know there were more than 4
God, would it be amazing if this battle was recreated in Fire Emblem Heroes and actually have those "final bosses" appear as reinforcements while battle him?
What i learned from this - roy is just a nice guy
I accidentally killed Sombron in 3 turns, thinking each death would spawn in more previous bosses... Oops
Imagine if one of the other two final bosses were chosen instead of Nemesis.
Byleth: Edelgard? I knew you were ambitious, but to be summoned here as an enemy? I hate to do this to a student, but I have to defeat you here.
Hegemon Husk: Facing you... I grow weak...
Byleth: Jeralt always seems hesitant to talk about his time at the monastery. If you fit Sombron's criteria, then perhaps he had his reasons. I just hope you can forgive me for what I'm about to do.
Immaculate One: Give her back! Give back my mother!
Tbf, with the dlc from wave 1, they were never gonna do Hegemon.
I wish each dark emblem also had a special interaction with the dlc emblems of their respective games, though Veronica would be an odd one, it would have been awesome if she had an interaction eith all of them
I was able to blitz sombron before he could bring in the second wave, so i'm glad this video is up so I can see the other lines.
Grima looks at Sombrom...
"Something feels... familiar"
Lucina appears
"I knew it!"
The only difference is, Grima is the main villain of a game with an offensively bad plot while Sombrom is the main villain of a game with a very standard but inoffensive plot.
Do the DLC Emblems have anything special to say against any of them (i.e., Tiki vs. Medeus/Dark Dragon, the Three Houses Lords vs. Nemesis/Liberation King, etc.)?
If there was he would of included them.
Honestly, i didn't try that but he stopped summoning them after all the dark emblems were defeated. It was already time consuming and trial n error to figure out which emblem can trigger whom.
Maybe they have put something like that in for a dlc but who knows, there still should be a next batch of dlc emblems later on.
@@BuffMaister No worries. The DLC got data mined, so they would correspond with the following Dark Emblems if the convos do exist (added a ton of asterisks so you would need to click on "read more" if you don't care about spoilers):
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Tiki - Dark Dragon / Medeus
Three Houses Lords - Liberation King / Nemesis
Hector - Dark Druid / Nergal
Soren - Mad King / Ashnard (though maybe he also has something for Ashera, who was Micaiah's DE)
Chrom - Despair / Grima
Camilla - Mad Dragon / Anankos
Veronica - I don't know as she's from Heroes.
@Jarock316 He wasn't able to attempt them this time. The DLC probably lacks these conversations (since I don't know who the final data-mined Emblem would correspond to), but they still have the potential to do so for the others.
I tried to do Tiki vs Medeus in my playthrough, and nothing happened.
I would have loved to see Grima Robin model , and the dialogue between Lucina and Grima. same goes for the other characters.
Thanks for this maddening was too brutal to let things play out fully I was sad I didnt get to see all of them
I cannot believe people hate this game... but to each their own. I loved this all the way through. The final boss and everything. I actually cried at the end...
Ike should have been able to have a quote with both ashnnard and ashura smh
To bad they had no lines. For example depending on how much of Anankos is in there they might well thank Corrin for killing him once again or apologizing for being forced to fight them at all, or just being to mad to recognize her in the first place.
It feels more like the Dark Emblems were more memories taken from the Emblem Rings and made Emblems themselves more then the actual individuals (Remember Sombron has long absorbed everything about the rings at the end of Chapter 21, so it is possible for him to create beings from those memories of the Emblems at the height of their power they were when those "Emblem's Original selves fought them' to act as "support" for himself! Note he was summoning all his fellow "Medeus" from the other FE! I say Medeus as "the final bosses of each FE")
Thank you for this video! I killed Sombrom to soon and don't got the reinforcement
To this day I'm still salty that they did my boi Grima dirty.
Like hell he'd allow another 'Fell dragon ' to control him....
honestly, would have been more suiting for it to be Robin.
But that'd spoil awakening.
I hope there's a later DLC that has each of the dark emblems to be remixed and harder than these ones.
Maybe even with appearances to their original selves with some voice acting.
Custom Battle music and all
Even if i know that it's very wishful thinking.
Eh It’s not actually them, I think they mention earlier that emblems are not actually the characters…. Otherwise Grima, Ashera, and probably even Anankos would’ve killed Sombron ten times over
That’s true for basically all of them except Veld
I mean, Grima's a shite villain from a game with a terrible story anyways, so who cares?
God idk Corrin’s line against anankos gives me chills
It just kind of makes me laugh since Fates' story is such a nonsensical mess
@@Jordan3DS Do what I do! Just see Conquest and Birthright as Corrin receiving Visions of them and how they happen, and then just make "mental corrections" of the dumb shit and "you'll do fine understanding it's story" LOL
And now I have a new Fire Emblem TTRPG plot
I really wish they got there respective Heroes voice actors to do there defeat lines
You know what would’ve been cool for Byleth, if you played Three Houses on your Switch and you choose the other routes for the final boss, Engage will gather data from your Three Houses from your play through and use information from that final boss in this fight.
Engage cannot even let you wear your casual clothes into battle yet you expect IS to do that? Small indie company
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Trully a small indie company moment
Thats a cute idea but it would be a lot of work for something very minor. It would also not exactly work if you had multiple routes completed since the game wouldn't know which data to pull from
So wait do more respond if you wait a turn or he uses that disspell attack bc I never got more of them to show and only got the Celica conversion by chance bc I had no idea who was who
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but has Marth's Falchion ever been called the Exalted Falchion in "main" series before? Chrom's is called the Exalted Falchion after Naga's Awakening, but before that it's just Falchion and Lucina's is Parallel Falchion. I think he has the Exalted Falchion in Heroes and Warriors, but those are just ways to differentiate it from Chrom, has Marth or anyone from his time called it that before?
It was never called Exalted in his own game, but Engage takes from more than just the original content, like, I don't think "Great Aether" is a thing outside Super Smash Bros. either, but here it is.
@@ajch22 True but also like Micaiah's thing is called Greater Sacrifice or something isn't it, so that's just the same vein. Bit different from just a flatly different name.
@@ajch22 Same with Torrential Roar
Let’s go golden deer path just became canon
I knew I played the right route and never played the others! Woohoo
Nope it’s because Nemesis is the only Three Houses final boss that’s actually evil.
Kinda weird Micaiah kills Asher's considering Ike is the one who canonically kills her
Ashera is a RD exclusive, and Ike is repping PoR, so Micaiah had to take it over.
You could argue the finisher was a group effort between Yune and Ike at least but yeah.
@@kylekraus6722 which is funny since Ike's appearance in Engage is based off his Radiant Dawn design, not Path of Radiance
You know what is the most fun part of this battle? You get to guess who is who you are battling with its just like Fire Emblem The Blazing Blade with the Morphs bosses part they talk when they die at the end in this case in dialogue also because they are like NPCs characters not much of game screen time for them and their souls are inside of a Corrupted love it
Suspiciously high-resolution footage you have there.
Honestly, seeing a C-lister like Sombron actally summoning beings like Ashera is kinda funny.
In Fire Emblem there are Gods, and then, y'know, GODS.
Ashera is on another power level than these wannabe conquerors and purple-coloured dragons.
There is a reason why your squad in Radiant Dawn needs another class tier and 20 extra levels compared to all the other games, in order to stand a chance against her
Not only that, Ike is a wolf and the other eleven emblems are newborn pups.
Even in FE Heroes, Ike is referred to as the mightiest of all the heroes, honestly it's really hard for other games in the series to top the power scale in Radiant Dawn when you got 3 insanely powerful guys in the form of Zelgius/Black Knight, Dhaghesus who's literally the most badass looking dragon in the series, and of course the Goddess herself
not even that Ike had to use the power of another god just to fell Ashera, Like the power scaling in Radiant dawn is insane.
@@eludeirkz7961 and Ike's predecessor freakin duel wielded Ragnell and Alondite, and was a woman too.
I repeat, she duel wielded two claymore sized Gid slaying swords at once.
@@dantemustdie00 Makes you wish dualing Zweihanders was that good in Elden Ring