The in-combat dialogue in this game is so much stronger in general than the cutscenes, IMO. It's simplistic presentation of a textbox in the pre-fight animations actually helps it here, and the voice acting just carries it.
It also lets the "primed" idle animations shine. It was in fates too where they stood before their charges and preambled via text boxes. Even the camera was perfect for the confrontation.
I mean, I used him in this map because I figured he'd have unique dialogue with Lumera. It helps that I made sure all my units were max level for the last couple of missions.
Engage's writing can be wonky, but I think this was done actually really well. The conversation with Veyle especially, where she pours out her jealousy, is great. It really does drive home that she waited a thousand years just to be denied any meaningful time with her child. At least they did the "I'll commit atrocities to be with my child again" arc better than Multiverse of Madness did.
i like how corrupted Lumera unlike other dragons makes 1000 years seem the big deal it is unlike every other dragon and emblem which make 1000 year seem like a breeze
@@falxblade1352 rafal makes it sound like 1000 years was a breeze even though he was awake for all of them marth was awake during the 1000 years that alear was sleeping and so were all the emblem,just unable to act but they were still awake
@@borjaarellano9966 In Rafal's supports he genuinely talks about how painful it was constantly fearing if Nel would ever wake up. In Marth's case, if the intro is anything to go by, they were absolutely in some form of sleep mode.
The Emblems were actually in some type of sleep. It is pointed out that they don't start speaking from their rings until the story starts, and it's treated as a recent event. I don't think Marth is ever alluded to have been awake the whole time.
Exactly, the emblems were just like any common ring, only the powers of a divine dragon can wake them up to appear as spirits, that's why Solm's royalty for example never knew who was the person inside their ring (it was Ike) until Alear woke him up, they didn't wake up for Lumera bc she lost most of her power trying to save Alear, and 1000 years weren't enough to have her recover properly, so Alear's awakening (no pun intended) is what caused the awakening (ok, this one is intended) of the emblems, the only one I'm not sure is Sigurd, since he kinda implies he was always at Lumera's side, but he doesn't specify if he was awake or not
2:45 Corrupted or not the bitterness in her voice has me thinking when she was alive there was probably q snowballs chance of one bad day and alear still being asleep could have sent her over the edge
It annoys me that Vander is given so much prominence in Engage’s cutscenes as well as supports with late game units and has unique dialogue with Lumera in this video and also Sigurd in his paralogue. Only for them to make him a useless Jagen that you aren’t supposed to keep using. Why?
Actually, Vander was hard to train and hard to invest. but in the end he's pretty good. I changed his class into a berserker and i've been getting strength a lot. He's still frail, but one thing for certain. He's not as bad as Gunter
True Chads keep Vander around from start to end just because we like him and he deserves better. Will he ever be Timerra or Diamant? No, but he doesn’t need to be. Being Vander is good enough.
Seems like DLC is the only way to make him viable… Wait till the rest of your units catch up in growths Reclass him into a healer, give him Tiki Bracelet, wait for a skirmish, wait till I gain enough levels and SP reclass him back into any class I please using Leif’s ring.
@@ManuelKoegler words of wisdom. because he is the 32nd Divine Dragon steward. and we all love him. just as much as we love gunter, jagen, frederick, marcus and more
This whole thing really put the whole revival thing into perspective. If your just some run of the mil nobody your just brought back as a masked grunt that does nothing but make noises and attack whatever moves, but if your someone of great interest like our queen here, it takes special effort to not only retain their look, but also retaining some semblance of self while also being...... I guess the appropriate word in this would be "programed" to serve the one that revives them. A.k.a, a conflicting shell of a person being driven by their deepest and darkest desires.
This is canon for me and persuaded me to train up Vander and the twins for this fight. It's a very personal fight for the intro cast that doesn't hit the other characters as hard. Probably will be hard as hell, but ah well xD
The twins can actually be good units. You have to use framme for healing early game, but once she's level 10, turn her into a wyvern. Clanne meanwhile can be kept at level 1 until you have a second seal to turn him to a physical class to get some good growths before turning him into a wyvern as well
If I had a nickel for every time a Fire Emblem protagonist had to fight their dead mother, I would have two nickels. which isn't a lot, but it's weird it happened twice. As for how many nickels I would get for each dead family member across all of Fire Emblem, WELL...
@@aiden6559 you’d actually have 3 nickels, it’s still weird, especially since it’s happened 3 games in a row now. Mikoto, Sitri in Ashen Wolves, and Now Lumera.
@@FrNSICscorrupted Lumera could go crazy and usurp Sombron’s tyranny for a chance to create a new reality where they can be with Alear The bad end has Lumera living like a normal family with Alear (mindwiped) while the world outside is rotten and decayed and crawling with corrupted, unable to rest again.
@hihigocat she calls it an "attempt" and mocks her asking if she thinks that now will be a different result. Implying that she doesn't see the first attempt as a success
@@hokk728 She's talking about right before this battle. Veyle tried to kill her corrupted form and failed before Alear and co broke in and started the map.
@@moonmelons yeah, since Lumera is no longer weakened like she was at the start of the game, Veyle's second attempt is easily withstood, and thus in the map proper she is speaking of the current battle with Veyle as Veyle's third time.
This map caused peak stress levels within me as I spammed obstructs with micaiah and Hectors glare to get my units to lumera while everyone was at low health And I will probably never experience something so stress-inducing in fire emblem ever again ;-;
He’s the token OP at start but terrible later in because of bad growth rates type unit they pull in FE games. Been a while since I touched the titles I have completed a FE game but Sacred stones was also one of those games that gave you a advanced class unit early on but they end up being a trap unit. Namely eating up a lot of limited exp and not a unit your suppose to try and develop much. Which considering all the ‘ace units’ in engage, have mostly been young chars with broken growth values or broken only op personal skills like the successor to Vander, that one doctor apprentice, Yunaka and Anna…you can see the trend basically that the old man type char in FE seems to land on the fill in cannon fodder unit.
@@BladeSerph Not to mention almost EVERYONE is dependent on the class growth rates. For example, Clanne has a shitty 10% Mgc growth but his Mage class bumps it up to a decent 35%.
I had to abuse the sh*te out of my broken Citrinne to kill Lumera, so I wouldn't die at the end of this map, meaning that I couldn't listen to the unique dialogues. (Could've technically done it, but I experimented too much and ran out of rewinds) So thanks for uploading xD
Sombron's a Story Boss, FE liked eased up on him BECAUSE of how horrifying the LAST games final bosses can be (I played Hard/Classic first run in 3H, Crimson Flower, trained well, Rhea was the stuff of nightmares, Found Nemesis easier with the same settings on my THIRD run because I played how your suppose to, going after the Elites before DARING to face him and not being a Monster Unit, means he goes down in one life bar, Now I see WHY the Revival Crystal concept was made LOL! But Rhea was PRETTY fucking hard and I wasn't RNG screwed I will admit, ignoring COMBAT ARTS to an extent BIT ME IN THE ASS as I remembered you can make Rhea SIMPLE with the Sublime Sword of the Creator and it's personal Combat Art, but the idiot "Conserver" in me forgot till AFTER I beat that battle, I felt stupid even though I lost NO ONE by the skin of my teeth LOL) FE has a thing with making Final Bosses TOO HARD or Too Easy! That latter part being because you've been CARRYING or just got the one weapon meant to beat them! AShera requires IKE finish her off with Ragnell or not at all! Funny enough, how you said it reminds me of how Ashera was simpler, but LEHRAN before her was the TRUE final boss of Radiant Dawn!
@@TheShiningEnergy LOL ain't she! Crimson Flower was my FIRST playthrough and I always default to Hard Mode since Fates (as Normal started to become EASY mode by Awakening and Fates FINALLY started ridding Hard mode of "SAME TURN REINFORCEMENTS" which is the BIGGEST reason I hated Higher difficulties) and Rhea was a SNK boss I REALLY had issue with! She showed something I noticed with ALOT of bosses in Engage! Which is since she counts as a MONSTER, she has MULTIPLE lives and gets WORSE as you kill her! So you have to be MINDFUL of how you fight her! ESPECIALLY as she's SURROUNDED by Fire that will damage units NOT blessed with Terrain Protection on their class! She has LONG RANGE attacks! THAT DAMN Armor shield (being a monster) and Oh yes, if she has attacked, you better STUN HER or MOVE THE FUCK AWAY or next phase. Hard and Maddening made her TERRORIFYING compared to Nemesis who didn't have the Multiple lives (can you IMAGINE if Three Houses had implemented Engage's Revival Crystal mechanic SOONER, Nemesis BLESSING is that if you can kill him BEFORE he can attack or TANK his hits, you were GOOD as you only had to kill him ONCE, but to do that, you had to take out the Ten Elites first before going for him....exactly how Sombron's fight went....HMM) Rhea made Maddening Silver Snow & Crimson Flower a TERROR for me, even WHEN I was RNG blessed, NG+ and had some GOOD shit on me!
"Why should you get such treasures, while I'm denied them?!" That delivery hits different. WOW.
It really is! Not gonna lie I was taken aback. Makes you think.
Yep. Lumera was super envious.
The in-combat dialogue in this game is so much stronger in general than the cutscenes, IMO. It's simplistic presentation of a textbox in the pre-fight animations actually helps it here, and the voice acting just carries it.
Very much agree with this
I literally almost collapsed at the dialogue when alear fights their past-self it was so good.
It also lets the "primed" idle animations shine. It was in fates too where they stood before their charges and preambled via text boxes. Even the camera was perfect for the confrontation.
The unbelievable part of this video is seeing someone use Vander this far into the game....
Faxs lmao
I mean, I used him in this map because I figured he'd have unique dialogue with Lumera. It helps that I made sure all my units were max level for the last couple of missions.
Just be happy that Vander actually has growth rates. Unlike the last proper jagen we had lmfao.
Cough cough....me...
@@roaringthunder8069 u mean gunter?
0:50 nearly getting oneshot and proceeding to deal no damage in return as paladin is a certified vander moment
not to mention that level up
Engage's writing can be wonky, but I think this was done actually really well. The conversation with Veyle especially, where she pours out her jealousy, is great. It really does drive home that she waited a thousand years just to be denied any meaningful time with her child.
At least they did the "I'll commit atrocities to be with my child again" arc better than Multiverse of Madness did.
God I hate Multiverse. What a shit movie
Oh right...Wanda. Man that was crazy
It helps that she actually met her kid. Also that her kid exists
I mean... that's not a high bar if we're being honest😅
@@kylecyrus9457 FAIR POINT 💀that's why I said "at least"
I wish Vander was a better unit, because he is legitimately an awesome character.
Plus he’s hot
@@avej99old man enjoyer
i like how corrupted Lumera unlike other dragons makes 1000 years seem the big deal it is unlike every other dragon and emblem which make 1000 year seem like a breeze
Unlike most of them she was awake
@@falxblade1352 rafal makes it sound like 1000 years was a breeze even though he was awake for all of them
marth was awake during the 1000 years that alear was sleeping and so were all the emblem,just unable to act but they were still awake
@@borjaarellano9966 In Rafal's supports he genuinely talks about how painful it was constantly fearing if Nel would ever wake up. In Marth's case, if the intro is anything to go by, they were absolutely in some form of sleep mode.
The Emblems were actually in some type of sleep. It is pointed out that they don't start speaking from their rings until the story starts, and it's treated as a recent event.
I don't think Marth is ever alluded to have been awake the whole time.
Exactly, the emblems were just like any common ring, only the powers of a divine dragon can wake them up to appear as spirits, that's why Solm's royalty for example never knew who was the person inside their ring (it was Ike) until Alear woke him up, they didn't wake up for Lumera bc she lost most of her power trying to save Alear, and 1000 years weren't enough to have her recover properly, so Alear's awakening (no pun intended) is what caused the awakening (ok, this one is intended) of the emblems, the only one I'm not sure is Sigurd, since he kinda implies he was always at Lumera's side, but he doesn't specify if he was awake or not
At 2:45 if you listen her voice gets disoriented. You can feel the resentment from her.
It's so out of character for her in a way. But in a way I like that.
2:20 Lumera's dialogue is so well crafted and well acted here. Makes it sound like the sentences rhyme together.
Alear, basically: The accident wasn't your fault, mom.
Ah heck nah those interactions with Alear are actually depressing af. Got me tearing up a little.
Eyup, my eyes blurred a bit.
i think the messed part about this is she is basically just a broken record beyond this point.
Both figuratively and kind of literally
Shes a broken record from the first scene shes in "my child I missed you I have one character trait"
@@DourFlower tbf we barely see her outside of the elongated death scene and this fight and maybe some scattered flashbacks
*flashbacks*
"Darling.
Darling.
Darling.
Darling.
Darling....darling.......darling.....darling..."
@@SleepyBrady Oh god wow what a callback.
Vander's convo is legitimately awesome. Shame that just about no one will actually see it happen in their game
That’s what TH-cam’s for! Haha
I saw it and I was one of the few people who put time into Vander. This legitimately hurt me to see the emotion.
I'll be sure to sweat Vander in my next run 🏃♂️
"Ashnard explain his motivations to Reyson and only Reyson" vibes
2:45
Corrupted or not the bitterness in her voice has me thinking when she was alive there was probably q snowballs chance of one bad day and alear still being asleep could have sent her over the edge
I don't know who William Glanz is but he packs a hell of a punch
It annoys me that Vander is given so much prominence in Engage’s cutscenes as well as supports with late game units and has unique dialogue with Lumera in this video and also Sigurd in his paralogue. Only for them to make him a useless Jagen that you aren’t supposed to keep using. Why?
Actually, Vander was hard to train and hard to invest. but in the end he's pretty good. I changed his class into a berserker and i've been getting strength a lot. He's still frail, but one thing for certain. He's not as bad as Gunter
True Chads keep Vander around from start to end just because we like him and he deserves better. Will he ever be Timerra or Diamant? No, but he doesn’t need to be. Being Vander is good enough.
Seems like DLC is the only way to make him viable…
Wait till the rest of your units catch up in growths
Reclass him into a healer, give him Tiki Bracelet, wait for a skirmish, wait till I gain enough levels and SP reclass him back into any class I please using Leif’s ring.
@@ManuelKoegler words of wisdom. because he is the 32nd Divine Dragon steward. and we all love him. just as much as we love gunter, jagen, frederick, marcus and more
Maybe wanted to give him an FE3 book 2/12 Jagen vibe of sorts, at least with the cutscenes I mean.
This whole thing really put the whole revival thing into perspective. If your just some run of the mil nobody your just brought back as a masked grunt that does nothing but make noises and attack whatever moves, but if your someone of great interest like our queen here, it takes special effort to not only retain their look, but also retaining some semblance of self while also being...... I guess the appropriate word in this would be "programed" to serve the one that revives them. A.k.a, a conflicting shell of a person being driven by their deepest and darkest desires.
This is canon for me and persuaded me to train up Vander and the twins for this fight. It's a very personal fight for the intro cast that doesn't hit the other characters as hard.
Probably will be hard as hell, but ah well xD
The twins can actually be good units. You have to use framme for healing early game, but once she's level 10, turn her into a wyvern. Clanne meanwhile can be kept at level 1 until you have a second seal to turn him to a physical class to get some good growths before turning him into a wyvern as well
This is just like what happened to Mikoto
Yup indeed
If I had a nickel for every time a Fire Emblem protagonist had to fight their dead mother, I would have two nickels. which isn't a lot, but it's weird it happened twice. As for how many nickels I would get for each dead family member across all of Fire Emblem, WELL...
@@aiden6559 you’d actually have 3 nickels, it’s still weird, especially since it’s happened 3 games in a row now. Mikoto, Sitri in Ashen Wolves, and Now Lumera.
@@thelostician you never fight against sitri
@@HZConqueror it is her corrupted body, so you technically do
"My Child"
Certified Toriel moment
i used f!alear and her actor is very good, but god damn m!alear's va knocks it out the god damn park in this one
Clanne: I don't what to fight you queen lumarie.
Lumarie: your pickle suck!
Clanne: DIVINE DRAGON SERVANT SMASH!!!!!!!
Gotta admit this is the most rocking odst in this game
Honestly, Sombron was okay as a main villain... but Lumera was better. She should have been the final boss.
Yeah Lumera would be an interesting final boss…
Considering how much harder this chapter was, she may as well have been tbh
@@kelly_times Yeah sombrons chapter is kinda easy
how would that have worked?
@@FrNSICscorrupted Lumera could go crazy and usurp Sombron’s tyranny for a chance to create a new reality where they can be with Alear
The bad end has Lumera living like a normal family with Alear (mindwiped) while the world outside is rotten and decayed and crawling with corrupted, unable to rest again.
Does Lumera not realize that Veyle DID kill her on the first attempt?
yes she does, she explicitly says so in the prebattle cutscene
@hihigocat she calls it an "attempt" and mocks her asking if she thinks that now will be a different result. Implying that she doesn't see the first attempt as a success
@@hokk728 She's talking about right before this battle. Veyle tried to kill her corrupted form and failed before Alear and co broke in and started the map.
@@moonmelons yeah, since Lumera is no longer weakened like she was at the start of the game, Veyle's second attempt is easily withstood, and thus in the map proper she is speaking of the current battle with Veyle as Veyle's third time.
well, lumera’s revived here, no? so technically veyle failed on the first try.
This map caused peak stress levels within me as I spammed obstructs with micaiah and Hectors glare to get my units to lumera while everyone was at low health
And I will probably never experience something so stress-inducing in fire emblem ever again ;-;
Oh man - Lumera says her early chapter quotes to Clanne and Framme. ; 3;
Something something you'd never get early gam units this far.
Mother! No... you're telling me that I have to fight against? Why?
for those who played Valkyrie Profile Covenant of the Plume OR The Last Promise, play Sublime Domain during this fight.
Siegfried moment
(Hardstuck at the beginning of the Galagar chapter and would not touch because PC ded)
@@joshuagabrielcatindig7607sublime domain was used to fight blur haired goddesses or dead parents, Lumera fits both.
"My child, I shall break your heart"
i wish vander was less ass. he's so hard to level up
Did you use a second seal asap?
@@magicfish8213 that doesn’t help, his internal level is still very high
@@Ryan-yp4fc damn, i thought resetting his level to base 1 would help
He’s the token OP at start but terrible later in because of bad growth rates type unit they pull in FE games.
Been a while since I touched the titles I have completed a FE game but Sacred stones was also one of those games that gave you a advanced class unit early on but they end up being a trap unit.
Namely eating up a lot of limited exp and not a unit your suppose to try and develop much.
Which considering all the ‘ace units’ in engage, have mostly been young chars with broken growth values or broken only op personal skills like the successor to Vander, that one doctor apprentice, Yunaka and Anna…you can see the trend basically that the old man type char in FE seems to land on the fill in cannon fodder unit.
@@BladeSerph Not to mention almost EVERYONE is dependent on the class growth rates. For example, Clanne has a shitty 10% Mgc growth but his Mage class bumps it up to a decent 35%.
Evil Lumera is cute!
for my experience seth is a good example for a babysitter unit. useful from the start and until the end.
A unit that can solo the entire game is a good example?
@@cupie2255 I mean Alear can solo the game and hes the first unit you get too.
@@FleetAdmirable Alear is not soloing the game from start to finish.
@@cupie2255 The only thing keeping Alear from soloing on maddening is the ch3 armor boss
what is the relevance?
those vander stats tho, barely anything beyond 20 except his hp.
I see that you gave Tiki to Veyle too!
I had to abuse the sh*te out of my broken Citrinne to kill Lumera, so I wouldn't die at the end of this map, meaning that I couldn't listen to the unique dialogues. (Could've technically done it, but I experimented too much and ran out of rewinds) So thanks for uploading xD
The intro scene to the chapter made me believe all of your fallen units would be enemies this chapter (I was on Classic mode and I'm shit at the game)
Ah yes. The rarest of rare interactions for if you never benched the first three units
imo, Framme is pretty good. Gets good speed and avoid
IS has funny inside jokes like giving Vander dialogue in a chapter that nearly every player would not use him
Just like Reyson vs Ashnard
Nice battle for Fire Emblem Engage. 💍 🔥 👌 😎 👍 🙌
The _real_ final boss of the game. Sombron ain't shit.
Sombron's a Story Boss, FE liked eased up on him BECAUSE of how horrifying the LAST games final bosses can be (I played Hard/Classic first run in 3H, Crimson Flower, trained well, Rhea was the stuff of nightmares, Found Nemesis easier with the same settings on my THIRD run because I played how your suppose to, going after the Elites before DARING to face him and not being a Monster Unit, means he goes down in one life bar, Now I see WHY the Revival Crystal concept was made LOL! But Rhea was PRETTY fucking hard and I wasn't RNG screwed I will admit, ignoring COMBAT ARTS to an extent BIT ME IN THE ASS as I remembered you can make Rhea SIMPLE with the Sublime Sword of the Creator and it's personal Combat Art, but the idiot "Conserver" in me forgot till AFTER I beat that battle, I felt stupid even though I lost NO ONE by the skin of my teeth LOL)
FE has a thing with making Final Bosses TOO HARD or Too Easy! That latter part being because you've been CARRYING or just got the one weapon meant to beat them! AShera requires IKE finish her off with Ragnell or not at all! Funny enough, how you said it reminds me of how Ashera was simpler, but LEHRAN before her was the TRUE final boss of Radiant Dawn!
@@paulman34340 yeah. Rhea is far too hard in hard mode, imo.
@@TheShiningEnergy LOL ain't she! Crimson Flower was my FIRST playthrough and I always default to Hard Mode since Fates (as Normal started to become EASY mode by Awakening and Fates FINALLY started ridding Hard mode of "SAME TURN REINFORCEMENTS" which is the BIGGEST reason I hated Higher difficulties) and Rhea was a SNK boss I REALLY had issue with! She showed something I noticed with ALOT of bosses in Engage! Which is since she counts as a MONSTER, she has MULTIPLE lives and gets WORSE as you kill her! So you have to be MINDFUL of how you fight her! ESPECIALLY as she's SURROUNDED by Fire that will damage units NOT blessed with Terrain Protection on their class! She has LONG RANGE attacks! THAT DAMN Armor shield (being a monster) and Oh yes, if she has attacked, you better STUN HER or MOVE THE FUCK AWAY or next phase. Hard and Maddening made her TERRORIFYING compared to Nemesis who didn't have the Multiple lives (can you IMAGINE if Three Houses had implemented Engage's Revival Crystal mechanic SOONER, Nemesis BLESSING is that if you can kill him BEFORE he can attack or TANK his hits, you were GOOD as you only had to kill him ONCE, but to do that, you had to take out the Ten Elites first before going for him....exactly how Sombron's fight went....HMM)
Rhea made Maddening Silver Snow & Crimson Flower a TERROR for me, even WHEN I was RNG blessed, NG+ and had some GOOD shit on me!
And people say the whole script was trash...
I do not see what is wrong with the game's writing.
@@Arkensius1157 me neither lol
Nah, just 99% of it
The story’s plot itself is iffy however the dialogue in this game in moments like these is phenomenal and the VAs really sell the deliveries
Noooooo, mommy 😢
The real question is why use tiki on veyle she already good with out tiki
because im playing a videogame how i want to play ???
@@ShirakoZXTV dang you cooked him
@@ShirakoZXTV I just wanted to know since there is other emblems that are much better to use she do not need the increase in stats from tiki
@@ultmewtwo again, HE is playing the video game how HE wants to play.
Sorry, but Female Corrin ruins this. And also, Alear female period.